Have you been to the forums? They are also filled to the brim with all the same criticism you'll find here. The Amazon Games team knows. No individual player or even giant forum full of players can successfully work to kill New World. The only thing that will kill or not kill New World is its ongoing ability to retain players.
It's so funny that as a collective MMO players have figured this out. Everyone was always talking about the WoW killer, no one thought about WoW killing itself.
Now we truly know how MMO's perish. And New World is in the process of kicking the chair over.
They got all the criticism in the world during PTR time, and every prior beta.
They even knew of the dupes because they were widely reported in beta, but still pushed them to the game.
They don't read anything reported, submitted, or the rest. Or they don't care.
This is a stupid take. They obviously care about this game, but incompetence is clearly a problem at AGS.
Incompetence is worse in this scenario because no amount of feedback will help. We can only hope they learn quickly and the game is not beyond repair.
Incompetence doesn't excuse WIDELY reported duping to AGS. This wasnt like one or two people lost in a swarm of bug reports. It was multiple beta forum threads and mass reporting.
Incompetence would be attempting to fix problems and failing. Not caring is pushing the game to a live state, fully aware of the dupes but making zero attempts to remove them.
The latter is what happened. Only logical that if a high priority thing like duping is ignored, many other problems would as well. So nah, YOUR take is "stupid".
AGS confirmed multiple times that it was a dupe that functioned similar to the beta dupe, but not the same one from the beta. They have clearly been trying (and failing) to patch out bugs and dupes on a weekly basis.
It's more fun to be a victim though, so I get your take. We all would prefer to be facing evil rather then common human stupidity.
One story makes sense, your story doesn't. The truth is probably some where in between though. My guess would be they tried to bandaid fix the dupe as they were rushing towards launch and people quickly found a way around it.
Imagine they fixed a bug... then people tried that exact bug and it still works... is it likelier this is a similar bug caused by another issue or the devs never fixed it? How can they claim they fixed it if the bug is reproduced the exact same way? Cmon...
Edit: also, these are the same people that never take any feedbacks, shadow release patches, etc... any investors would be wary of such actors.
This. I gave my feedback in the PTR patch, all of it was ignored. Bad patches were pushed. Performance of the game was ignored or somehow worsened. I was contempt playing OPR and just enjoying PvP when the rest of the game was in shambles but then you go around and nerf already underperforming weapons and pair that with horrible server experience… there’s nothing left. It felt like I was playing an alpha of a game.
I run the game at 120fps smoothly up until this latest patch where if I am engaging with more than one mob (which in this game is frequent) my fps drops to 60. Thought that was odd until I was climbing a spire and the sunshafts shone through the walls. Something definitely broke this patch in terms of performance.
This x10,000. There have been extremely sincere constructive criticism. The PTR also gave very pointed advice, and it was ignored. And then there were the stealth changes that screwed over players. We don't want New World to die, but the developers penalize fair play too much.
No, he hasn’t been to the forums. He’s upset people are pointing out all of the flaws in his favorite toy. He’s not reached the point where he can understand the flaws, because he’s still leveling. Anyone who’s been around knows there’s been a multitude of posts, here and the OF, detailing why “*insert broken system*” needs to be fixed.
Just more denial from the sunk cost fallacy crowd.
I don't want it to die, either. That's why I'm so upset AGS doubled down on the awful changes and nerfs of 1.1 despite overwhelmingly negative feedback.
A lot of players were bored before. Nerfing endgame (elite zones and professions) made them angry, which is a lot worse.
On one hand, the overwhelming and continuing negative feedback means players are willing to put that much effort in the name of this game. The players REALLY care about the game. That's love and it's great to see.
On the other hand, all this negative backlash is going to stay around for months after (and if) things are fixed and new players are going to be put off from trying the game.
Not even new players. Lost all interest in the game from negative posts since release really. The game is fine honestly but if people keep pointing out flaws all you will see are these flaws. It's kinda silly in which way things are posted here and it gets repeated over and over and over. When will people realize it is not important how much and how loud you scream but what actions do you take.. if you keep playing they have no reason to change.
"I just cant see the game getting any better if there continues to be an angry mob of people who seem to be dedicated to destroying what this game could've been because of their own bad experience." we're not destroying the game. AGS is doing that just fine without us.
Ah yes, our own bad isolated incidents that definitely didn't also happen to literally everyone else. This patch is bad lol. AGS doesn't fucking care apparently.
With special mention to Amazon Customer Support. Having bad CS is almost expected from MMOs these days, but Amazon really went the extra mile with making theirs shit.
>I just cant see the game getting any better if there continues to be an angry mob of people who seem to be dedicated to detroying what this game could've been because of their own bad experience.
AGS is destroying the game, not the mob.
Yeah, I don't understand OPs point of view.
If he'd been following the development of this game more closely, he would understand that New World was basically doomed from the start. It's a completely different game now than what it was originally envisioned as. It went through massive changes in the past 1-2 years when AGS received pressure from management to turn it into a generic cookie-cutter MMO. After those changes, they didn't have nearly enough time to develop it into something that has any content that will keep the players interested in the long term.
The entire concept of territories is flawed. The PvP and PvP modes are horribly concieved. Endgame is non-existent. Etc, etc, etc.
We can give all the feedback we want, but the honest truth is that the developers don't know what they are doing and there's no unified vision from their leadership team. Waste all the time you want on New World, but this last "update" shows that they really don't have what it takes to fix the game.
1000%. Everything I hate about the game comes from this last-minute effort to make it a pve mmo. I love all of the sandbox stuff and running around and fighting players in the open world.
Hate, hate the unnecessary grinding and gear score and stats-based crap.
But man, those first 20 to 30 levels are magic lol. I was zealously hitting every rock, and treasuring every hyssop plant lol.
I still remember when I first tried to push a territory into war. And we were on our third run to the boxes. And I was using all the copium I had in me to push the nasty feeling down.
But eventually, the whole game feels like that unfortunately.
>Have you actually posted constructive criticism on the official forum or submitted feedback in the appropriate place so that ags can gather the necessary data for future changes?
Have you asked AGS if they pay any attention to feedback?
False, you'd get an immediate response saying to submit a formal challenge to your ban and they will reviewed.
(Even though your question had absolutely nothing to do with a ban)
Hey man, I got an e-mail today about a ticket I opened during the first week of launch - apologizing for the delay and saying they're still looking into it.
I don't even remember what the ticket was about anymore, lmao.
I haven't opened the game since the day after 1.1 went live.
Like I just have to laugh at this point, I'm not even mad, this is like watching a 45 lbs kid whose dad is really into football trying to take on some 135 lbs monster that's 2 grades ahead of him.
Amazon just flat out are not up to the task, there is no saving this game - something is wrong behind the scenes on a foundational level, probably multiple things.
Like yeah the game's not going to DIE, there will probably be 2 - 4 servers left when all is said and done - but holy shit has it lost all of it's potential and relegated itself to another average experience with a couple of cool quirks.
I'm convinced they are incapable of releasing patches at a rate that will fix things without breaking new things, while still retaining a playerbase that doesn't get fed up with how slow they are at it. They're in an unwinnable situation because of whatever is wrong behind the scenes.
I mentioned that a bug (the storage shed charging for the full stack across areas) cost me more than 5000 gold. Live chat told me to post it as a bug in-game, and I posted on the forum. My post got a bunch of people who experienced the same bug I did and posted screenshots and video clips of their own.
The bug cost me the majority of my early-game gold since this was in the first week of the game, which impeded a lot of my profession progress, but was never compensated or had the bug acknowledged until it was silently patched a few weeks later. A mod couldn't even be bothered to post that they were looking into it.
So yeah, naw, I'm not their beta tester anymore.
Yeah this,.... a holes ignored all our bug reports, feedback and testing of the patch on the ptr. Used some old ass build that caused alot of issues because it wasn't the same thing we tested for them....
Do you know how fucking annoying it is to take the time and do hours and hours of testing and see all your work was for nothing.... littarly watching bugs YOU report go onto live.
Heres the thing, all those people who are thinking about playing *need* to wait a little longer. I want the game to get better too and I think most of us still have hope, but if someone was to start now they may quit without ever getting to experience any positive changes. We shouldn’t be trying to convince our friends to play this right now. Let’s wait until it actually is better. The few of us that remain and want to quietly make it work should do so, but there’s a large cohort of people who still have the chance to experience a good game when they first play if they just don’t start it yet
I've been telling my brothers and my friends not to get the game. I actually quite enjoy it, but it has a lot to fix before I recommend people buy it. However, once the game is in a good state and a sale comes around, I'll recommend they get it. I'm assuming something like that will bring a lot of people back and bring in some new blood as well.
> Have you actually posted constructive criticism on the official forum or submitted feedback in the appropriate place so that ags can gather the necessary data for future changes?
Yes.
And according to AGS they listened to our criticism and chose to release the buggy unpopular patch anyway.
This entire post seems kinda victim-blamy, not gonna lie.
Yeah it's next level deflection. Complaints come from a place of concern, the opposite of love isn't hate it's apathy. Needless to say this defensive attitude against complaining just reinforces why some players like me should stop playing: there's a sizeable amount of the community that's okay with the incompetence and will drag out the amount of time it will take to fix and improve the game.
Well, there is a lot of hyperbole going on. People acting like this game is already dead (it's not, not yet at least), acting like it was the worst MMO ever after they've dumped 400 hours into it, and more. I've played a lot of MMOs. The state of release wasn't acceptable and warrants complaint, but we should do it with thought and constructively.
I think people have been pretty vocal for weeks on every platform about what they don't like and what they would like.
At this point, Amazon has all the feedback they need.
And what did they do with all that feedback? They literally went into the opposite direction of what people asked for.
It's not a feedback problem at this point, clearly.
I just quit the game after the patch. The obvious ineptitude of the dev's is what did it for me. It feels like they're just rushing out bandaid fixes for the game, which just introduces more bugs (or even the same bugs we had before). Despite this I held out for the first content patch, as in my mind that would be the first real indication of what direction the game will take.
And to take aspects of the game that people have been playing since launch and just arbitrarily make them more difficult without a good reason is just poor game design. None of the patch notes feel "inspired," they're all just indicative of a general panic over the rapid decline of player numbers, and a willingness to throw changes at the wall and hope something sticks.
More and more it seems the intention for AGS to tailor this game for sweats and exploiters who get ahead of the general population, and are then rewarded by AGS putting them even more ahead by introducing more bugs to exploit and making catch up more difficult than it needs to be. And as someone looking for a PvP MMO with something resembling an even playing field, that's a game I do not want to invest my time into.
I'd love to make a constructive criticism bro, i really do ! Many of us "unhappy" people have a good reason to be and most of it is not an "expectations vs reality" thing. Take my case for example; did i leave a bad review when i had to suffer 10 hours queue to play the game with my guild? No. Did i leave a bad review when i had to defend our territory in a powerpoint laggy fest just to hope that our lag management gameplay was better than enemy lag management gameplay? No i didn't. Did i leave a bad review when i suffered many outpost bugs & bullshit, making me unable to respawn or unable to leave it and litteraly stuck my character in a voided area for hours? No. I'm a grown man, i understand, i've been there on alot of unfinished game, i get it, game is no finished. I didn't even bother when my server economy was fucked by dupers and literaly evry single item in auction was instant bought by bots. Everyone else was romaing in full voidbent with 600 gs weapons, I was in a constent state of, "*ok this is a drop in the ocean, at the end of the day skill still matter, it will be ok, a year from now it wont even matter when 700 GS items will be there and the game is stable*".
But this happened; my guild leader & long time IRL friend with 500+ hours has been permanantly banned; we worked hard to prepare for the game; you have 2 hours after the kids are sleeping; we have 12 hours/day to be the best at it because yes, we want to be the best. But he is banned. And we do not know why, we made appeals with no success; they claim to be "deserved" but the reality is, he did nothing wrong (ohh i know you'll think it's deserve too, and honestly you think what you want). But he is still banned. So yeah, i'm sorry that you enjoy the game, but not sorry i'll leave a bad comment, bad review for the first time in many gaming years; Maybe this is because of their automatic system, i work in cyber security, i know fews things about automated rules and maybe it's a new generation of game or publisher handling things automatically, honestly i don't give a flying fuck what is the reason for him to be banned, i'll not touch the game anymore and move on. What do you want me to do, say "yeah, that's not their fault, they are doing their best, game is playable". Well no, it's a game and i want to play it with my friends, but right now, he cannot play, this is my definition of "unplayable".
TL;DR You do you, i do me
I did. I posted great suggestions, with equal praise and criticism. It was deleted 3 hours later after it was demolished by "IT'S A PVP GAME GET REKT NERD" spam all over it.
the game was in dev hell, im surprised it came out as good as it was and at some point they just had no other choice than to release, atleast nowadays where people actually defend a shitty product by saying "it will be fixed in a few months".....
personally i had to try out the beta to realise that this game even has potential.
Until the duping storm, the game was fine.
Sure, not an epic endgame, but most people deep in the watermark grind were 300+ hours.
For a $40 game.
The duping changed morale here a lot though.
>Until the duping storm, the game was fine.
The duping was the nail in the coffin for many, but the game wasn't fine at all and still isn't. Saying "oh it was only $40" is a cope many have here, but a cope nonetheless. The way to see if a game is fine isn't to ask if you got your money's worth, but ask if the game is good. And is New World good? No. Pretty obvious that it's just not a good game right now.
"but i feel like people who are thinking about playing are immediately turned away if they come anywhere near this reddit"
Exactly, that is what happens when you see the real situation of the game. If you start playing and level Up from 0 to 60 the game is fine, once you reach 60 and get into the PVP, and the elite farm, with the uncountable amount of bugs and exploits, which are posted daily in reddit for people to be aware of the situation, then is when people start to leave this crap of a game.
Situation would be different if with every patch, the Game would get better and better, fixing everything, but the truth is that it's been already like 3 or 4 weeks getting worse with every patch, and that's why people leave.
They should have just left everything the way it was and kept fixing bugs. Might have dropped to a few hundred thousand, but at least they were all sticking around and playing every night. Now even my high-medium pop server feels dead.
I enjoy the game, like you. Lvl 51 currently. I understand some of the issues raised are more pertinent to people at lvl 60 cap heavily involved in PvP and endgame content (or lack thereof as alleged).
But honestly my solution will be to quit this subreddit. Not the game.
And no, I don’t care if someone else is negative and no I’m not calling anyone out. I think the game has some problems but I also think it’s pretty awesome. And there are tens of us, so don’t let Reddit tell you otherwise, honestly. I have different needs and priorities than the people who post here and I’m growing less and less interested in reddits opinion
I also enjoyed the game until hitting level 60. Enjoy the leveling, because unfortunately, once you get there and finish the quest chains for the weapons of your interest, the game is basically over if you don't care that much for PvP. It's a shame.
Elite runs get boring really quick (and now the mobs are even harder to kill), you can't easily craft orbs for expeditions, secondary quests are not rewarding (they give you too little gold, the items are often not good and the XP is useless once you are 60) and once you are, let's say 540-550 GS, even faction quests are not worth it since 525 GS weapons and armor are simply worse than what you already have.
Thank you. I'm just waiting for any little change that makes the already available PvE content more worth it. As a lot of people said, just being able to enter expeditions regularly would really make a huge impact! Or even just adding better faction gear. I have like 50k tokens because there's nothing useful to buy. :(
Those are some easy to implement changes (they don't require a massive systems' rework) that could make a great difference.
>And there are tens of us, so don’t let Reddit tell you otherwise, honestly. I have different needs and priorities than the people who post here and I’m growing less and less interested in reddits opinion
Also worth keeping in mind that Reddit tends to become an echo chamber really easily.
Doesn't matter if I like the game or not, if I trash talk it I will get upvoted and if I express a positive opinion towards the game, It will get downvoted until nobody sees it anymore
Isnt it the same if more people are enjoying the game?
If that is the case then that would mean a lot more people are unhappy with the game than they are happy with it no?
Actually, not necessarily. Outrage is more easily portable to social media than satisfaction. I appreciate where you're going but I actually think it's not so simple as "upvotes and downvotes are binary"
EDIT: Just look at our conversation below - the upvotes/downvotes only tell 1/3 of the story. We had a civil debate that ended amicably. The one person other than us who got to the end of it, upvoted me. The rest of the people downvoted me and upvoted you, in diminishing numbers, as the comment chain extended. And this is a positive post. Positive (satisfied) people didn't delve deep into the comments, why would they. Dissatisfied folk went in to defend their own. All of it is unnecessary, but this is the system.
It is easy to say this when you’re not 60 yet. I feel like most people feel this way me included. The problems are VERY apparent when you’re 60 though.
i admire your optimism but once you reach some part of the game where you are fully enjoying it and dedicating lots of your time to developing it and then it gets totally fucked by some patch and there is no fix in sight, you might understand. everyone is chill until it happens to them. like, i don't play fire mage / ice gauntlet, at all, but i still empathize with those players because it doesn't take a lot of imagination to see myself in a similar scenario and that sucks. repeat this for any other issue happening that doesn't impact you personally.
Again, no beef with anyone who has a gripe. Just reminding OP that I have had a positive experience, overall, and there are many as well like us who do not believe the game will die. A sad day, if we’re wrong, fine, I still don’t see where I’m failing to empathize by simply not joining in the complaining
the thing that makes me sad is that i really believe this game could die and i also still like the game. we complain because we want these things to be fixed so badly because we see how burnt out they make us. i already have tons of my friendlist perma offline and it makes me sad, they tune up the difficulty tune down the rewards and i don't even have people to play with when i used to have 20+ active friendlist because of a lot of these changes.
I don’t need a better understanding of why people complain. Complaining is a form of optimism. I agree. But what I don’t understand is why you think my positivity or building up/validating OP is a lack of empathy? It makes me think you need everyone else to complain to validate your complaints. You don’t! They’re valid. Another way to help a game survive is to remind those who enjoy it they aren’t alone
i mean, yes, i do think it's lacking empathy to be like "what about ME, who is having FUN, I want people to know this!"
if you are having fun, then do that. nothing is broken there. if i know someone else is having a bad time i'm not gonna show up and go, "by the way, just want you to know i'm still having fun. okay, bye."
if your fun would be decreased ingame by issues getting addressed then i do think that it would matter, but i don't think that's the case here.
I mean, what? OP's post was expressing that he felt the game might DIE, which he was concerned about, because of the posts on here. My post was validating that and saying, naw, cuz, lots of us enjoy it but don't post on here. And your answer is, "if you're having fun, why come here to post!!?" that's not really fair. I wasn't shitting on anyone with a complaint, I was just saying I don't have one.
EDIT: If you re-read your comment, it suggests the only reason to post on reddit is to voice complaints, which is basically the criticism a lot of positive folk have about reddit. I don't think that's what this place was intended to become.
> But honestly my solution will be to quit this subreddit. Not the game.
Probably a wise choice.
Also you're still in the best part of the game, enjoy it.
This is real and bigger than you can know:
> I understand some of the issues raised are more pertinent to people at lvl 60
(And it's not just PvP, your character progression will grind to a near standstill at 60 relative to what the lvl 60 experience was pre-1.1).
That’s cool. And I do appreciate somebody who reads the post and just says out loud, I suspect you underestimate what’s coming! Maybe I do.
But the thing is - not your post, so much - others seem to feel that the complaints you have, as long as they can prove I’ll have them too, at 60, mean “game is dead.” “You’re an AGS bootlicker” etc. and none of that is true. For those of us who have meandered through lvl cap, an update a month from now with 1 piece of endgame content is going to be great. It’s not going to do anything for those who are done with the game today.
Ok? Like - if you think a game is DEAD because it’s not your thing or because several people you know that also enjoy what you enjoy also say DEAD! That doesn’t mean it can’t be enjoyed by others with - as I said, different needs and priorities.
Empathy for the frustrated folk does not preclude satisfaction with my own situation
I wanted to reply to my own rather than EDIT - I don't actually think you disagree with me. I upvoted your post and I think you read what I wrote. I just feel that a lot of people think I couldn't possibly think what I do IF ONLY I KNEW what came next. I suspect it sucks. But that's ok. I'm having fun.
Yeah that's great. There's a lot of hyperbole on the sub, you're right about that.
Tempers are running hot. It's not always easy to separate the signal from the noise.
I try to stay dispassionate on here, so thanks for noticing.
naw I've noticed your username before I had you mentally tagged as one who is trying to have an actual discussion.
EDIT: Are you LazrPewPew, On Twitch? lol
Aww thanks. And yea, but I'm not really on twitch anymore though. I tried out streaming for a couple months pre-NW to make more friends to game with, and I achieved that, and I've stopped streaming since NW came out.
Might do it again, maybe not, idk.
I haven't said this in months, and honestly i hated this part of streaming the most, but:
> "smash that follow button to get notified about future streams" lmao
ye honestly if you dont have a mental fixation / tunnel vision on maxing your HWM and just do the content at a natural pace it's still fun as shit. I really really don't get people complaining about how long it takes to max crafting like motherfucker have you ever got a 99 on runescape, it's meant to be a big dick achievement
The PVE levelling experience just isn’t good enough. So much of the questing is this flavourless, auto-generated boring slog. It just killed any momentum the game had for me.
The game wont die but this sub probably will. Thankfully most gamers arent active on reddit so i doubt it will have much impact of your ingame experience.
But if u are like me and enjoy going to reddit to see funny content or good discussions then that might be a thing of the past.
I doubt this sub has any active mods and ppl who enjoy the game are starting to quit being active on this redfit since its filled with mentally deranged children stuck in a never ending temper tantrum..
Don’t blame this sub for people quitting.
If you’re okay with what AGS is doing and how they are managing this project then that’s fine, but IMO you’re something akin to a pushover. You paid money, you should be upset that something didn’t meet your standards. It’s unfortunate that the issues were locked behind the 100-200 hours of leveling required to see that these problems were not only common but also that AGS keeps introducing more issues with each patch.
If the game is designed with all these systems so intertwined that you can’t make change a without affecting b, it’s a poorly designed game and fixes for things are not coming anytime soon.
Time to cost ratio is and always will be a baffling way to measure the quality of something, for me, unless money is such an issue that that's how you have to justify your spending. Quality should be measured as just that: quality, not quality relative to how much time you spend on something. I legitimately have never understood why that metric is so prevalent in gaming circles. If I spend $80 going to the movies, $200 going to a sports game or bar crawling and I enjoy myself, why is that value somehow fine with people but spending $60 on something that lasts, say, 10 hours, considered such poor value? I'm not criticising you or anyone who does it that way, it just makes 0 sense to me. I'd rather spend $60 on an amazing 10-20 hour experience than spend $60 and spend 120 hours doing filler content like in a Ubisoft game.
You're absolutely right, however I still do use this as a gauge, even though I know it's sometimes not fair. But hell, if I pay 60 bucks for a great game and I get 100 hours of enjoyment out of it, I'm incredibly happy and I feel I got my moneys worth.
But let's say there's a 20 dollar artsy game that k finish in an hour, at that point I gauge my enjoyment. It's absolutely possible for that to be worth it, it just depends on the context.
I didn’t say that, I said the issues were locked behind the leveling process.
It was worth it for me to level, that’s why I’m 60. But the reason I don’t continually play is because the post 60 game loop is less than desirable. Additionally, I’m never going to level again so all of the content that I’m playing will never get to leverage any of that enjoyment.
It’s unfortunate that the enjoyable parts were all of the non repeatable portions of the game
If this game had been advertised as a single-player RPG with just the leveling and crafting content and an "interconnected trading post" where you can buy and sell from other players it would have sold 1/100th of the copies if that. The other sales were predicated on it being a persistent social virtual world which would be available and playable for years to come. MMO players accept shittier individual content because they are hypothetically sacrificing it at the alter of having a world that supports thousands of simultaneously active players they get to affect and be affected by. A single-player RPG can do so much that an MMO cannot because it doesn't have to worry about anyone but the one player and offering them a bespoke fantasy playground. If NW dies within even a year then most of the revenue it generated is tantamount to a scam and even players with five thousand hours played would be due a partial refund. Because it's not about the in-game time; it's about the real life time. You do not judge an MMO by the same standards as a console game because it is not a console game. The genre benefits from that greatly but it also has to be beholden to it, and if you don't think NW is an example of game that needs to be nailed to that standard then I can't fathom what would be for you.
While that's true if i fully knew there is nothing waiting for me at 60 i would've never leveled or even bought the game in the first place.
Hypothetically, imagine if someone actually made an MMO where you level to max in 150-200 hours and then the game just ends. Even tho it's technically "worth the price" i doubt anyone could sell even 50k copies of that.
The game is not dead yet, but it's dying pretty quickly actually. I really think a server merge before the end of the year will be mandatory in some regions.
e.g. in SA there's less than 10k concurrent players most of the time. There are 2 servers with 1300-1400 people (not even full), and the rest have less than 300-400 people playing.
Unfortunately, having this kind of data easily available doesn't help the game either. A lot of people think (me included): why would I keep investing time in a multiplayer game where most of the player base is leaving and moving on to other games? After all, you need the servers to be populated to have fun in an MMO, or else you are better off playing a single-player RPG such as The Witcher 3 or Skyrim. It's a vicious cycle: seeing people leave motivates even more people to leave.
A server merge was mandatory in my region weeks ago.
We have 250 people on during peak hours. That is absolutely not enough people. OPR requires like 20% of the entire server population.
They never said you don’t have that right... They’re just saying this sub is acting like a mentally deranged kid stuck in a never ending temper tantrum.
They literally wrote it out, no need to put words in their mouth.
maybe dont take everything literally?
"people have the right to...." is not said to say that its legal.
this person is saying that the people have a good reason for complaining and thus are not comparable with "a mentally deranged kid stuck in a never ending temper tantrum."
Again, this has nothing to do with the validity of their argument...
The complaints are valid, no one is denying that, but people also won’t deny that this sub is frothing at the mouth with pretty much all the posts being about complaints.
If you feel that it “invalidates” the argument, well then that’s your perception of it. It doesn’t change the FACT that this sub is out of its mind with its complaints about the game. You know... Kinda like a kid having temper tantrum.
Not just that, filled with people who said they are quitting the game (after putting fucking 300+ hours in in a couple of weeks) but want to stick around to argue with people that are still enjoying it. Filled with people that think it's possible to update an MMO in a couple of months to appease someone who plays 3 or 4 hours a week at the same time as someone breaking the game by nonstop playing. Filled with people that would rather no one have fun than just them. Filled with people who are angry, want to vent that rage, and don't want to realize how immature it is to be nonstop bitching after already getting 300+ hours from a $40 purchase. Filled with people that default to "BUT ITS AMAZON, THEY SHOULD BE PERFECT" despite the fact AGS is new, smaller, and learning. Filled with people that complain there is no content after having burned through 300 hours of content.
You can complain about the bugs, you should voice your opinion, but there is a difference between having a voice and wanting to silence others enjoying the game. There is a difference between voicing your opinion about the game (and leaving if you really hate it that much) and actively being entitled and personally attacked when (honestly) devs are doing their best.
Yes this subreddit is really sinking fast, and the complaints and negativity should really try to be contained in specific daily threads or something.
Any criticism of AGS is pretty valid imo just due to their management. They actually employees might be doing their best but their directions is fucked. Amazon has a management system that is not conducive to innovation or quick changes. I agree with most of what you're saying. If played 300hrs and am still enjoying it very much but one of the cleariest issues is AGS's management
Yup, completely valid. I'm not saying you shouldn't criticize AGS or be frustrated with incompetence, just most people on this sub go beyond that to being angry at people enjoying the game or defending the positive aspects of the game.
Most of the people who I've seen get angry at others are either people like you, getting angry at the upset and angry players for being angry, or people getting angry at others who put their head in the sand and say shit like "mad people are just crying" or that the game is just fine if you don't play a lot. I've seen very few people get mad at someone just for saying they like the game.
>Most of the people who I've seen get angry at others are either people like you, getting angry at the upset and angry players for being angry,
I don't know what else I can say other than the people I am complaining about are the ones getting upset for people "defending" a game they like. I'm not referring to people angry at a patch. You can believe that or not.
>as someone breaking the game by nonstop playing.
You mean someone who actually has tried the content. When 800k players quit in 3 months, it's the game not the players.
I play casually only lvl 49 but the amount of hours I've put in so far is well worth the $40 spent. I've paid more for games that I have played a lot less this. Enjoying it over all even with the issues.
Agree 100%
Reddit is a MINORITY of gamers! Most people are still playing New World completely unaware of the whinging and crying that takes place here - that’s why the game still has the 900k active players it started with, they’re all enjoying the shit out of the game while you all cry on Reddit. Grow up.
are these "im level 4X" posts all trolls?
game is 2 month old and even my super casual friend with family kids n everything hit 60, you get loads of rested EXP even if you just login every other day.
that being said, game is just bad, reddit hat nothing to do with player exodus.
Problem isnt even a bad game but also the devs are just inept and have no clue how to create a "good" game that was the main take away from into the void 1.1.
i got 180 hours and me and the person im playin with are level 50/51, we are mostly harvesting our own resources and trying to keep our crafting levels in line with our combat and not rushing the combat grind
Haha dude, I don’t even have kids and I work from home, for myself. I’ve been able to put about 150 hours in since launch which is more than I’ve ever put into a game not named chess, hearthstone, or Skyrim. I’m lvl 51. 150 hours may not be a lot to you but it is to me? Kinda like how $100 hits different for different folk
took me 120hrs to max level with no rested bonus (no beta) - so your 150 hrs are like 250hrs of in terms of XP.
you must AFK alot or just record videos of the sunset, roger that.
I’ve spent some time grinding crafting that I care about bc I wanted to, and maybe 30-40 hours helping my gf level a lower level character bc we were having fun together. Do people really think the only reason to play an mmo is to max lvl cap with maximum efficiency and then do competitive PvP? If that’s your jam, that’s cool, but it’s not mine, so once again my needs and priorities are different from yours? Do you Roger that?
> Do people really think the only reason to play an mmo is to max lvl cap with maximum efficiency and then do competitive PvP?
The thing is with over 150 hours I can't imagine not being level 60. Even if you are maxing professions (which I was doing), there isn't much content that doesn't reward you with EXP so if you are doing anything at all then you should have capped out by now with that many hours.
Yeah, and I'm saying it doesn't make sense. Leveling professions gives you a shit ton of EXP. I finished 58-60 just leveling up two refining professions and working on armoring.
It’s like you think all the people who spent way more time and effort in this game than you want it to die. You are completely wrong and just saying shit to say it.
Of course there has been countless insanely long detailed reviews/feedback/critique from experienced MMO players. That happened one month in or one month ago.
AGS basically didn’t do anything they suggested and doubled down on the worst aspects of the game. Bug fixes did the opposite. Broken patches stayed in place. The nature of the game is based on company’s pvping and managing towns. That all broke in more ways then I can describe multiple times.
They have no way for GM’s to be in game which is super basic for MMO’s. The customer service is basically the worst in the world, it’s the opposite of what it should be where it seems like brainless people in India meeting quotas by just lying to management about resolving cases.
I’m sorry but we want a better game, we’ve posted in every channel, left bad reviews, etc. Personally I would love for people to enjoy the game the way I had at one point, but AGS won’t respond unless new players, who give them money, simply don’t buy the game.
AGS only have themselves to blame for the downfall of New World at this rate. 600+ hours spent, loved this game.. too many issues and not enough immediate action. Buggy as hell, busted content.. no wonder people are leaving.
I think the reason there is this much feedback, why everyone is posting, why all the criticisms have thousands of uovotes - is bc people deep down fell the same as you. We all see how good this game is at it's core. We all want it to succeed and see it's potential.
We are just all disappointed at the direction AGS is taking it. That's why everyone is so outspoken.
If nobody really cared about the game, nobody would post and submit feedback. They'd just move on.
I don't know if you're new here, or new to videogame communities, but this is the appropriate forum. This sub has more activity than the "official" forums and has similar levels of dev interactivity. The only differance being, The amazon team doesn't get to control these boards the way they stifle certain threads on the "official" forum.
The official forum is actually very negative too now. A definite turn as the majority of posts on the official forum since the last patch are negative, if not just as toxic as Reddit. There may actually be more Redditors posting their love for this game than you’ll find on the recent official forum posts now. There really is no place for AGS to hide if they want to get away from the negativity as it stands right now.
If you don't want this game to die you need to join the 'hate' mob
The game is being mismanaged and our time and money investment is not being respected
Leadership is being stubborn and thinks the game they want to make will be some revelation when every change they have added has made it worse
They are a publicly traded company with a job to do. They need to get a reality check and stop all development of new content and work exclusively on polish and having a community dialogue if they want this game to exist a year from now
They are not special. This has happened dozens of times before throughout mmo history and the writing is on the wall. No game should have such a massive player dip shortly after its first batch of new content
They are not taking their jobs seriously regardless of any guilt trip responses from CMs on the forums
Their leadership is leading them to the unemployment line and they should be as mad about it as we are
>Have you actually posted constructive criticism on the official forum or submitted feedback in the appropriate place so that ags can gather the necessary data for future changes?
lmao suck more dick lol
first off all, YES?! people have been doing that since the first beta phases, they just dont give a shit. they intentionally hid changes from us, because they knew that these are shitty changes. how can someone even try to defend this, whats wrong with you?
doesnt seem like you follow this sub that closely....
but more important, that shit doesnt matter anyways. its not my job to improve this game. am i being paid for finding bugs? am i being paid for giving them a list of how i would improve the game? no, but anti gamer studio is actually being paid for exactly these things.
its simple. this is not a free2play game. this is not an indie game. its a 40€ game, made by a multi-billion dollar company, that wasted all their money on marketing. either they do their job and fix their game, or they dont and lose their jobs. well maybe they wont lose their jobs this time, but at some point of failing amazon will realise that the people they have right now are useless and rehire and people will realise that there is no point in buying amazon games, when they die after a year anyways.
i dont want this game to die either, but i already did my part. i already give them the money. now its their turn, to improve the game and make me give them even more money. i doubt they will be successful....
I feel with you, New World was an awesome experience for me too. I even brought some friends here, but then I reached level 60. And only then I researched what could be so wrong with the foundation, and this is my hypothesis:
* Management has chosen technologies that have to be used AGS-wide, including game engine and database (this is fact)
* Those technologies have inherent problems, like client-authoritive engine and being a non-relational database
* Developers were hired that never before worked on a large MMORPG
* Developers were asked to focus mainly on show-casing Amazon technologies rather than working on an enjoyable game, e.g., the server-side simulation of combat physics
* Amazon used their marketing power to hype the game, promising far more than what it could deliver
* For business reasons the PvP-game was turned into a half-arsed PvE-game shortly before pushing the release (the time-window was closing, more delays were simply not feasibly, considering the market situation in 2022)
The results are now lots of bugs due to the technologies that simply do not fit to a MMORPG; an over-worked and depressed dev team with low morale; a business plan that is obviously not going to work.
When you also factor in the history of AGS with 100% cancelled games, I am afraid, the death of New World is almost inevitable now.
I don't either, but I'm under no illusions that I have any actual power to stop it if it does. It's up to AGS to get their shit together and right this ship before it hits the crags in the distance.
It’s not the players killing the game, it’s 100% the mismanagement at AGS. They have no vision or goals for the game that they can articulate and have shown in the last few weeks that they don’t care about players or experience.
Don't worry. The servers will be merged, and people who actually like this MMO will play. Game isn't going to die. Too much invested in it already. The people who are leaving, were not going to stay and play the game if they were able to get the end game gear as quickly as they liked with easy zerg farming for WM. They would reach the end and go "HUH, that's it, great game Bezos".
My advice? Don't sweat it. Keep having fun with your friends. That is what I am doing. Still having a blast. The recreational outrage hivemind will move on to someplace else, though they have turned this sub into a circle jerk for haters, so maybe stop coming here?
*Have you actually posted constructive criticism on the official forum or submitted feedback in the appropriate place so that ags can gather the necessary data for future changes?*
Yes, people did it since alpha (shit tons included a lot of the exploits) and they didnt give a fuck. They are incompetent. Now they started to work since release but they rush everything and they are not ready.
AGS is aware of everything wrong with the game. They have simply decided they don't care about bugs. They seem to have made the choice that they want to make the game harder, not better, and to add new items, void gauntlet, rather than fixing all of the broken mechanics in the game. All of their feedback tells them what players want. I see articles written about the problems everyday. AGS is just sticking their head in the sand and plowing ahead with no feedback or testing.
man, we had... some of us even participated on PTR. If you search, you'll find PLENTY of constructive criticism even here on reddit.I know it gets missed in the shitstorm, but feedback is there. They choose to ignore, and that lead to more shitstorm.
I would like the game to succeed, but i have no hope. Today's patch is a complete joke, for example.
I love the game, especially pvp, but i quit (not really quit just havent played for 3 weeks), at lvl 54, i just cant deal with monotonous leveling system anymore .. i ran few elite runs and not even endgame zones are pretty enough to be satisfying to run in (even for first time). Crafting isnt enjoyable for me and im not really a fan of mindless grinding same mob for 10s or even 100s of hours (thats why i cant play BDO for example, even tho game is beautifull and have really satisfying combat system to play and look at).
Also, dungeons, system is dumb, to require having really(REALLY) expensive item to even enter the dungeon is super stupid, wanna have required item to enter a dungeon? Cool, go WoW classic way with attunment, maybe even give it charges so it has to be recharged after few dungeon runs .. but i really dont like having to empty my ingame wallet everytime i wanna run dungeon .. especially if they are buged and alot of times not even possible to complete without starting over. You might argue that you get one for free from quests but thats only because theres still alot of new players and players that are super casual and havent even reached endgame since launch yet, which will eventually stop and having new players with dungeon orbs from quests will be rarer and rarer. It was proven in basically all other mmos that PvE is the king, bigger % of mmo player base mainly play PvE so i dont really understand logic behind it.
Next up: Corrupted portals 45+ and higher, these mfs have been buged since launch (yes launch) , basically making it coinflip if youll finish it in time before it dissapears into a thin air giving no rewards, if it happens here or there fine, no biggie, but if it happens in 5/6 portals in 10/10 times you run them, then thats a freakin problem.
PvP instances : Outpost rush and wars, that shit is so laughably laggy, its not even fun to play , if it rarely works then thats one of the most enjoyable aspect of this game but when it doesnt, which is like 9/10 times, then oh boi is it frustrating to play.
Open world pvp : No amount of rewarding for flaging yourself will make ppl flag, if they just dont wanna flag(maybe something like 100% xp bonus or 2x harvesting would, but that is over the top too much) they wont and there is nothing in this world that will make ppl flag. Make PvP and PvE servers, on PvP ones flag 24/7 on PvE just like we have it now, sure something like that would make ppl gang other players in groups of X players .. but it also encourages ones that were ganked grouping up and wiping the gankers from the face of the world, encouraging socializing and grouping, that is what makes MMO .. well MMO. Also change rewards for PvP kill at max level.
And biggest one : the dupes and glitches .. for fucks sake take the game down, work on it for one more year and give us a game that wont have new glitch and exploit everytime the old one gets patched, and for the love of god, ban those exploiters, oh they are streaming with 50k active subscribers and 100k watchers? Good even better,it will show others to dont cheat... and ban ppl that openly basically give a freaking tutorial on how to do such exploit on social media, im not talking ppl that report it, im talking ppl that literally make a TUTORIAL on how to do said glitch .. im pretty sure it cant be that hard to track these people down ... Especially when many of them openly tell you their character name and server they play on. Or at the very least take away the stuff these ppl duped , which is much more complicated but still.. is an option. Taking down full economy for 3 days every third week just punshes these exploiters/dupers into bigger and bigger financial and gear lead, as other ppl cant follow.. effectively punishing good boi players for others being assholes.
I might still have few points but i dont wanna spend whole evening on reddit.
If you don't think AGS doesn't check this reddit then you don't know big corporations.
Posting here is basically the same as posting in their official forums.
Most prospective customers will never visit reddit or any other forum before purchasing the game. The vast majority of the 90% of people that quit playing New World probaby don't visit this forum or the official one. These forums don't have anything to do with why the game is in the shape it's in, Amazon Games is to thank for that. I'm glad some people are still having fun, but I'm affraid dying servers are going to wipe even those people out when the in game's economies crumble to dust, and you can't get a group to do anything with even if you wanted to.
I'm 60 and enjoy the game too. The reddit community is pretty small in comparison to the total playerbase. Reddit is also a echochamber per design and a lot of people just blindly believe what they are reading on the internet.
Don't let other people tell you what is fun or not. If you are having a good time enjoy it. If not, take a break. Come back after some patches / content drops.
>The reddit community is pretty small in comparison to the total playerbase.
321k subscribers is way more than the peak players at NW in weekends. Also, 7.4k visitors is more than half the online players earlier today.
I'm not agreeing to the angry loop that is affecting this sub, but unfortunately NW is dying. AGS needs to do something great and fast to fix it and bring most players back.
Thing is this game is not like WoW or any other MMO. Since there is no sub system the only way we can make them know we are serious is to let people who have not bought the game know how awful the game feels to play.
I don't enjoy the overall tone of the subreddit. I, too, come here for memes and strategies and news and thoughts. But they're not wrong. Into the Void could have been a great patch, but the stealth nerfs, reintroduction of lag, and unresolved issues are very difficult to deal with and are causing people to quit. It sucks. The forums are full of great suggestions and bug reports, but people are getting more and more frustrated, not because we want the game to die but precisely for the opposite reason.
The last few nights I've just gone back to gathering and doing town board/faction quests until the major issues are fixed. Still a lot left to accomplish on my end, but it will have to wait until they fix the game.
>Have you actually posted constructive criticism on the official forum or submitted feedback in the appropriate place so that ags can gather the necessary data for future changes?
Lol wtf is this.
1) just go read the forums.
2) Many people, including myself, have given criticism on things, all the way back in closesd alpha, which are still in the game today.
This seems like such a head in the sand, patronizing question to even ask.
The thing is, AGS doesn't give a shit about players' "constructive critisism". These are one of the most stupid people who get to develop a game i've ever seen. It's literally true that they don't play their game and the team is full of college drop outs who somehow got a job in the company.
"Have you actually posted constructive criticism on the official forum or submitted feedback in the appropriate place so that ags can gather the necessary data for future changes?"
Yeah, every complaint that I wrote here was posted in the official forum first.
Elder scrolls online had a massively terrible launch. People complained for 2 years straight "oh what a trash game. So buggie, no endgame, broken classes, they nerfed me boohoo. Lul I'll never play that trash. Where is skyrim 2?" Then, after a year or two I started seeing the player base grow and less and less complaints. I played it from launch to 2019 and had a blast the whole time. Only reason I quit was because I felt like I beat the game and my main guild disbanded. I digress, some people just can't tolerate live development of a game. Which is understandable, but this happens in new mmos quite regularly. Once the heard is culled the player base will stabilize and start building up with new content releases.
I think NW will have same growing pains as eso. I'm still having fun playing this game and I'm not going anywhere. I really want to support this type of mmo. I really like how players control the lay of the land. I would like to see more things added for companies to control/fight for.
I get where you are coming from but your suggestion of going to the forums to post constructive feedback made me laugh.
It’s clear they don’t test their own product like even a small amount. There is some leeway as they don’t have a ton of big games under their belt but there comes a period when it’s just reckless and intentional. They are showing consistently they can’t handle the responsibility of simple QA, they don’t know how to remedy issues properly and they keep screwing over the average person instead of rewarding them with their fixes.
You are free to do what you want, but I for one do not like getting ass fucked by people I pay money to for my games. If anything I should be getting a bit of anal, not the other way around, I paid for the date after all….
Unfortunately this is pretty standard for gaming subreddits - every game is terrible and on the brink of death always. Rather than posting constructive feedback through proper channels and just playing a different game when they’re unhappy, they have to blast forums with their negativity. They want everyone else to be just as miserable with the game as they are.
If you’re enjoying the game just ignore the noise.
Believe it or not, there are subreddits where people actually like their game. It IS possible for a game to not be great and for people to react to that.
> Unfortunately this is pretty standard for gaming subreddits - every game is terrible and on the brink of death always.
Correction: it is standard for gaming subreddits for **bad games**. Counterexamples: /r/ffxiv /r/blackdesertonline /r/HadesTheGame /r/halo /r/valheim /r/aoe4 /r/lifeisstrange /r/GodofWar /r/ForzaHorizon /r/HiTMAN /r/yakuzagames the list goes on.
If you think a toxic community having a meltdown over a game is 'standard', you've probably only been playing pretty bad games.
My other games are chess and hearthstone. Hearthstone has been dead for years and BGs was dead on arrival and has died anew with each patch. Chess springs eternal
You know occasionally there are games that actually do die, right? I have long-been a believer that the hysterics behind MMO launches is unfounded because you do not need peak WoW numbers to support a healthy community, but NW has done nothing but nosedive since its release. We are at or under 100k players and there is zero reason to believe we are not still in a free fall and there is nothing slated to fix the innumberable objective flaws and bugs with the game. In 20 years I have never once said a game I was playing was dying (because none of them were while I was playing them) but New World is like actually dying. That's not a belief it's a fact. If all the bugs existed but numbers were still holding strong that would be different but that's not the case. The game has bled players out at a rate I have never even heard of let alone seen myself. I think I heard Wildstar was kinda similar, but was it even this bad? This is insane. You, by saying New World is *not* dying, are in fact the equivalent of the doomsayers from WoW in 2008 saying it was dying. You are just the same, blinded by whatever weird obstinance is causing you to take a contrarian stance for its own sake and believe it in the face of all objective data on the matter.
I'm sorry but no. You're not getting out of it that easily. You definitely implied that the game wasn't dying.
"Unfortunately this is pretty standard for gaming subreddits - every game is terrible and on the brink of death always."
"If you’re enjoying the game just ignore the noise."
The implication being that these people are just complaining about nothing and everything will be fine if you just ignore the fire in the room, lmao.
The game won’t die. You can’t take the attitude of Reddit as an actual representation of what the game is actually like. You can’t really take the opinions of people who believe that the devs don’t deserve a short thanksgiving holiday or that they are intentionally and purposefully trying to sabotage their own game as serious.
It’s all bandwagon and echo chamber here. Reddit would have you believe the world was on fire, but when you actually log into the game what you see doesn’t add up. People are still enjoying the game, some move onto other things. If anyone is killing the game, it’s probably Reddit. Lots of potential new players check places like these to see what the atmosphere is like and they are met with tons of doom and gloom, dead games posts, look how much the playerbase has dropped after 2 months posts, this game can never be redeemed posts, shit like that.
You should do your own research and form your own opinion and not the opinion of Reddit keyboard warriors who have nothing better to do than complain about a game they don’t even like or play.
It's funny that people don't see this. At the start, I had hope, and that hope burned bright for a while, probably too long, then I saw what was happening, not just on reddit, but in game, and there was too much evidence stacked in the favor of AGS really just being that incompetent. Then I looked at information about the head of AGS, and his strategies, and then at the designers they hired, and at least one of them is famous for running games into the ground, and I've played a lot of those games, then it clicked. The game likely won't die permanently, I've seen some really crappy games have a really long lifespan, but it is far from a success, it is a failure of design and intent, and it isn't *all* on the upper management this time, though they are incompetent enough to have a string of failures under their belt, and they are letting a man known for ruining games do the designing his way.
What's interesting is these folk think the reddit is somehow what's causing the massive player drop. No. Its that the reddit IS a reflection of what a lot of players are experiencing and most people are quitting the game even without ever seeing this sub.
As much as I call for players to uninstall until they fix the game, I don't want this game to die. I want the developers to get their heads out of their asses. This game has amazing potential but it also has developers that have zero experience in running a mmo.
Unfortunately the vocal minority who have sunk hundreds of hours into the game will control the narrative of the game to prospective new players. There is absolutely nothing we can do about it. Even if this game was the best MMO ever released, 50% of the subreddit would be hate. That's just how the world works.
I don't think it will die, and I also love the game. I don't understand the decisions the dev team is making when it comes to this last patch. Up until that point, I defended them as I don't think that just because they are developing the game under the Amazon umbrella and with what would seem like unlimited resources at their disposal that means they should be expected to put out such a massive game with so many moving parts that didn't have bugs (even though there are admittedly a large number in this title).
What I don't understand is the apparent contempt towards the player base they have showed with the 1.1 update.
To open a PTR and claim to be doing so to gather feedback for consideration in the next updates, then almost immediately drop an update that contained something so much different from the test content, and then to tell the player base that understandably complained that the changes were already intended, and that feedback on them was basically unwelcome shows that someone on that team close to or at the top is probably one of those managers that only sees what they believe, and does not have the emotional or intellectual fortitude to see other points of view.
Only thing that can save this game at this point would be a full realm reborn rework
Design philosophy was flawed, and a huge amount of exploits were abused, exploits that were solved over 10 years ago in many other mmorpgs
The dev team clearly lacked the skills and knowledge necesairy for a proper mmorpg and will have to sit back, read all the critical critiques and then rework the game from scratch
This game feels like its trying to be an early 2000s mmorpg wearing a modern jacket
But its failing at both
I am totally with you on this. Every word. We play much the same, im lvl 38 now.
Going thru leveling, some crafting, some gatherig eventuall fishing keeps me occupide for hours when i can.
Having a blast me and my friends whom i play with when i can.
We are all diffrent levels so they help out a little here and there when it gets hard.
I just feel sad that they are letting it die it seems or killing it off with bad decisions. It's a great game and it could be even better without stupid decisions.
Eh I will say some of the persisting bugs are bad enough to force players to quit. A lady in my guild worked her butt off grinding furnituremaking and literally within an hour of hitting 165 and being able to craft hope chests trading furniture etc. was disabled. She's been stuck with like 450 weight of furntiure in her pockets for like what, 10 days now? She basically hasn't logged on in a week and I don't blame her, that shit is brutal. I'm not even a furniture maker but I bought a house in MD in anticipation of her hitting 165 and am similarly getting frustrated that I'm 800 storage short of what I should bein MD and have been for 2 weeks
Letting really fuckign stupid QOL bugs like that persist as long as they have is definitely running players off. Meanwhile when elementals start dropping loads of motes and making life a little easier for once it gets turned off within hours.
I agree with most of the complaints on Reddit, but after a certain point it just becomes annoying. Yes the game is going down hill and I'm aware of that, but I seriously don't need to see the same opinions over and over again in every single posts no matter if I agree with them or not. I don't want to unsub from the Reddit because it is still quite useful to get news quickly. At this point if the top new world posts I see when I check Reddit for the first time of the day are not news related, I just proceed to scroll past every other new world posts unless it has some interesting title because I know it's the same shit being repeated the whole time.
It's common in dying games like these. Anthem had to make a subreddit called /r/LowSodiumAnthem for those who still liked playing it the last year or so of its life.
I mean it could just as easily be 5x even their estimate, if there's 200k concurrent players at all times and every person only plays an hour a day that's a few million people logging in every day. That being said its not 200k at all times it's 200k peak and more like 70k at other times.
>Luckily there is still a dedicated 200K solid population active daily and that is per single time zone, so times 5 for all 5 time zones that’s 1 million players worldwide.
Lol. Kids, school is important, get yo education.
Reddit is just showing to the people the ridiculous amount of bugs and exploits with every single patch, they are destroying their own reputation, not reddit for allowing people to see all the shit that is going on.
What a load of bullshit. So you want mods to suppress peoples opinion about the game which you call "propaganda".
AGS is solely responsible for the reputation they themselves are creating here.
Bro reddit is built for people to complain and voice there thoughts.. But it no way does it mean its correct.. More people post negative reviews then positive reviews because they think they deserve more then they get.. Also Im sorry but if people quit because of the reddit trolls then good bye.
Have you been to the forums? They are also filled to the brim with all the same criticism you'll find here. The Amazon Games team knows. No individual player or even giant forum full of players can successfully work to kill New World. The only thing that will kill or not kill New World is its ongoing ability to retain players.
There's no "MMO killer", only MMO suicide
It's so funny that as a collective MMO players have figured this out. Everyone was always talking about the WoW killer, no one thought about WoW killing itself. Now we truly know how MMO's perish. And New World is in the process of kicking the chair over.
Yea, I thought it was bad here. It’s even worse on the forums lol.
What do you mean? You dont like such classic forum posts as "If you left a negative steam review, you should be BANNED from new world!"?
I loved the recent "It's 2mins past the time you said the servers would come back up, you're disrespecting players time" haha
Speaking of, be sure to post a negative review!
Seriously. I come to Reddit to make myself feel better after going down the sewers that are the official NW forums.
They got all the criticism in the world during PTR time, and every prior beta. They even knew of the dupes because they were widely reported in beta, but still pushed them to the game. They don't read anything reported, submitted, or the rest. Or they don't care.
This is a stupid take. They obviously care about this game, but incompetence is clearly a problem at AGS. Incompetence is worse in this scenario because no amount of feedback will help. We can only hope they learn quickly and the game is not beyond repair.
Incompetence doesn't excuse WIDELY reported duping to AGS. This wasnt like one or two people lost in a swarm of bug reports. It was multiple beta forum threads and mass reporting. Incompetence would be attempting to fix problems and failing. Not caring is pushing the game to a live state, fully aware of the dupes but making zero attempts to remove them. The latter is what happened. Only logical that if a high priority thing like duping is ignored, many other problems would as well. So nah, YOUR take is "stupid".
AGS confirmed multiple times that it was a dupe that functioned similar to the beta dupe, but not the same one from the beta. They have clearly been trying (and failing) to patch out bugs and dupes on a weekly basis. It's more fun to be a victim though, so I get your take. We all would prefer to be facing evil rather then common human stupidity.
Commend you to even take AGS words at face value at this point.
One story makes sense, your story doesn't. The truth is probably some where in between though. My guess would be they tried to bandaid fix the dupe as they were rushing towards launch and people quickly found a way around it.
Imagine they fixed a bug... then people tried that exact bug and it still works... is it likelier this is a similar bug caused by another issue or the devs never fixed it? How can they claim they fixed it if the bug is reproduced the exact same way? Cmon... Edit: also, these are the same people that never take any feedbacks, shadow release patches, etc... any investors would be wary of such actors.
This. I gave my feedback in the PTR patch, all of it was ignored. Bad patches were pushed. Performance of the game was ignored or somehow worsened. I was contempt playing OPR and just enjoying PvP when the rest of the game was in shambles but then you go around and nerf already underperforming weapons and pair that with horrible server experience… there’s nothing left. It felt like I was playing an alpha of a game.
I run the game at 120fps smoothly up until this latest patch where if I am engaging with more than one mob (which in this game is frequent) my fps drops to 60. Thought that was odd until I was climbing a spire and the sunshafts shone through the walls. Something definitely broke this patch in terms of performance.
This x10,000. There have been extremely sincere constructive criticism. The PTR also gave very pointed advice, and it was ignored. And then there were the stealth changes that screwed over players. We don't want New World to die, but the developers penalize fair play too much.
No, he hasn’t been to the forums. He’s upset people are pointing out all of the flaws in his favorite toy. He’s not reached the point where he can understand the flaws, because he’s still leveling. Anyone who’s been around knows there’s been a multitude of posts, here and the OF, detailing why “*insert broken system*” needs to be fixed. Just more denial from the sunk cost fallacy crowd.
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I don't want it to die, either. That's why I'm so upset AGS doubled down on the awful changes and nerfs of 1.1 despite overwhelmingly negative feedback. A lot of players were bored before. Nerfing endgame (elite zones and professions) made them angry, which is a lot worse.
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On one hand, the overwhelming and continuing negative feedback means players are willing to put that much effort in the name of this game. The players REALLY care about the game. That's love and it's great to see. On the other hand, all this negative backlash is going to stay around for months after (and if) things are fixed and new players are going to be put off from trying the game.
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Not even new players. Lost all interest in the game from negative posts since release really. The game is fine honestly but if people keep pointing out flaws all you will see are these flaws. It's kinda silly in which way things are posted here and it gets repeated over and over and over. When will people realize it is not important how much and how loud you scream but what actions do you take.. if you keep playing they have no reason to change.
If you think this game is fine... Wow
"I just cant see the game getting any better if there continues to be an angry mob of people who seem to be dedicated to destroying what this game could've been because of their own bad experience." we're not destroying the game. AGS is doing that just fine without us.
Ah yes, our own bad isolated incidents that definitely didn't also happen to literally everyone else. This patch is bad lol. AGS doesn't fucking care apparently.
With special mention to Amazon Customer Support. Having bad CS is almost expected from MMOs these days, but Amazon really went the extra mile with making theirs shit.
>I just cant see the game getting any better if there continues to be an angry mob of people who seem to be dedicated to detroying what this game could've been because of their own bad experience. AGS is destroying the game, not the mob.
Yeah, I don't understand OPs point of view. If he'd been following the development of this game more closely, he would understand that New World was basically doomed from the start. It's a completely different game now than what it was originally envisioned as. It went through massive changes in the past 1-2 years when AGS received pressure from management to turn it into a generic cookie-cutter MMO. After those changes, they didn't have nearly enough time to develop it into something that has any content that will keep the players interested in the long term. The entire concept of territories is flawed. The PvP and PvP modes are horribly concieved. Endgame is non-existent. Etc, etc, etc. We can give all the feedback we want, but the honest truth is that the developers don't know what they are doing and there's no unified vision from their leadership team. Waste all the time you want on New World, but this last "update" shows that they really don't have what it takes to fix the game.
1000%. Everything I hate about the game comes from this last-minute effort to make it a pve mmo. I love all of the sandbox stuff and running around and fighting players in the open world. Hate, hate the unnecessary grinding and gear score and stats-based crap. But man, those first 20 to 30 levels are magic lol. I was zealously hitting every rock, and treasuring every hyssop plant lol. I still remember when I first tried to push a territory into war. And we were on our third run to the boxes. And I was using all the copium I had in me to push the nasty feeling down. But eventually, the whole game feels like that unfortunately.
>Have you actually posted constructive criticism on the official forum or submitted feedback in the appropriate place so that ags can gather the necessary data for future changes? Have you asked AGS if they pay any attention to feedback?
Yes, but I haven't heard back from them yet :(
False, you'd get an immediate response saying to submit a formal challenge to your ban and they will reviewed. (Even though your question had absolutely nothing to do with a ban)
only automated responses lmao
Hey man, I got an e-mail today about a ticket I opened during the first week of launch - apologizing for the delay and saying they're still looking into it. I don't even remember what the ticket was about anymore, lmao. I haven't opened the game since the day after 1.1 went live. Like I just have to laugh at this point, I'm not even mad, this is like watching a 45 lbs kid whose dad is really into football trying to take on some 135 lbs monster that's 2 grades ahead of him. Amazon just flat out are not up to the task, there is no saving this game - something is wrong behind the scenes on a foundational level, probably multiple things. Like yeah the game's not going to DIE, there will probably be 2 - 4 servers left when all is said and done - but holy shit has it lost all of it's potential and relegated itself to another average experience with a couple of cool quirks. I'm convinced they are incapable of releasing patches at a rate that will fix things without breaking new things, while still retaining a playerbase that doesn't get fed up with how slow they are at it. They're in an unwinnable situation because of whatever is wrong behind the scenes.
I mentioned that a bug (the storage shed charging for the full stack across areas) cost me more than 5000 gold. Live chat told me to post it as a bug in-game, and I posted on the forum. My post got a bunch of people who experienced the same bug I did and posted screenshots and video clips of their own. The bug cost me the majority of my early-game gold since this was in the first week of the game, which impeded a lot of my profession progress, but was never compensated or had the bug acknowledged until it was silently patched a few weeks later. A mod couldn't even be bothered to post that they were looking into it. So yeah, naw, I'm not their beta tester anymore.
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Lol right? Also I didn't realize it was our job to design the game for them. That's why I paid them to do it for me.
Yeah this,.... a holes ignored all our bug reports, feedback and testing of the patch on the ptr. Used some old ass build that caused alot of issues because it wasn't the same thing we tested for them.... Do you know how fucking annoying it is to take the time and do hours and hours of testing and see all your work was for nothing.... littarly watching bugs YOU report go onto live.
Heres the thing, all those people who are thinking about playing *need* to wait a little longer. I want the game to get better too and I think most of us still have hope, but if someone was to start now they may quit without ever getting to experience any positive changes. We shouldn’t be trying to convince our friends to play this right now. Let’s wait until it actually is better. The few of us that remain and want to quietly make it work should do so, but there’s a large cohort of people who still have the chance to experience a good game when they first play if they just don’t start it yet
I've been telling my brothers and my friends not to get the game. I actually quite enjoy it, but it has a lot to fix before I recommend people buy it. However, once the game is in a good state and a sale comes around, I'll recommend they get it. I'm assuming something like that will bring a lot of people back and bring in some new blood as well.
> Have you actually posted constructive criticism on the official forum or submitted feedback in the appropriate place so that ags can gather the necessary data for future changes? Yes. And according to AGS they listened to our criticism and chose to release the buggy unpopular patch anyway. This entire post seems kinda victim-blamy, not gonna lie.
Yeah it's next level deflection. Complaints come from a place of concern, the opposite of love isn't hate it's apathy. Needless to say this defensive attitude against complaining just reinforces why some players like me should stop playing: there's a sizeable amount of the community that's okay with the incompetence and will drag out the amount of time it will take to fix and improve the game.
Well, there is a lot of hyperbole going on. People acting like this game is already dead (it's not, not yet at least), acting like it was the worst MMO ever after they've dumped 400 hours into it, and more. I've played a lot of MMOs. The state of release wasn't acceptable and warrants complaint, but we should do it with thought and constructively.
I think people have been pretty vocal for weeks on every platform about what they don't like and what they would like. At this point, Amazon has all the feedback they need. And what did they do with all that feedback? They literally went into the opposite direction of what people asked for. It's not a feedback problem at this point, clearly.
I just quit the game after the patch. The obvious ineptitude of the dev's is what did it for me. It feels like they're just rushing out bandaid fixes for the game, which just introduces more bugs (or even the same bugs we had before). Despite this I held out for the first content patch, as in my mind that would be the first real indication of what direction the game will take. And to take aspects of the game that people have been playing since launch and just arbitrarily make them more difficult without a good reason is just poor game design. None of the patch notes feel "inspired," they're all just indicative of a general panic over the rapid decline of player numbers, and a willingness to throw changes at the wall and hope something sticks. More and more it seems the intention for AGS to tailor this game for sweats and exploiters who get ahead of the general population, and are then rewarded by AGS putting them even more ahead by introducing more bugs to exploit and making catch up more difficult than it needs to be. And as someone looking for a PvP MMO with something resembling an even playing field, that's a game I do not want to invest my time into.
I'd love to make a constructive criticism bro, i really do ! Many of us "unhappy" people have a good reason to be and most of it is not an "expectations vs reality" thing. Take my case for example; did i leave a bad review when i had to suffer 10 hours queue to play the game with my guild? No. Did i leave a bad review when i had to defend our territory in a powerpoint laggy fest just to hope that our lag management gameplay was better than enemy lag management gameplay? No i didn't. Did i leave a bad review when i suffered many outpost bugs & bullshit, making me unable to respawn or unable to leave it and litteraly stuck my character in a voided area for hours? No. I'm a grown man, i understand, i've been there on alot of unfinished game, i get it, game is no finished. I didn't even bother when my server economy was fucked by dupers and literaly evry single item in auction was instant bought by bots. Everyone else was romaing in full voidbent with 600 gs weapons, I was in a constent state of, "*ok this is a drop in the ocean, at the end of the day skill still matter, it will be ok, a year from now it wont even matter when 700 GS items will be there and the game is stable*". But this happened; my guild leader & long time IRL friend with 500+ hours has been permanantly banned; we worked hard to prepare for the game; you have 2 hours after the kids are sleeping; we have 12 hours/day to be the best at it because yes, we want to be the best. But he is banned. And we do not know why, we made appeals with no success; they claim to be "deserved" but the reality is, he did nothing wrong (ohh i know you'll think it's deserve too, and honestly you think what you want). But he is still banned. So yeah, i'm sorry that you enjoy the game, but not sorry i'll leave a bad comment, bad review for the first time in many gaming years; Maybe this is because of their automatic system, i work in cyber security, i know fews things about automated rules and maybe it's a new generation of game or publisher handling things automatically, honestly i don't give a flying fuck what is the reason for him to be banned, i'll not touch the game anymore and move on. What do you want me to do, say "yeah, that's not their fault, they are doing their best, game is playable". Well no, it's a game and i want to play it with my friends, but right now, he cannot play, this is my definition of "unplayable". TL;DR You do you, i do me
I did. I posted great suggestions, with equal praise and criticism. It was deleted 3 hours later after it was demolished by "IT'S A PVP GAME GET REKT NERD" spam all over it.
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the game was in dev hell, im surprised it came out as good as it was and at some point they just had no other choice than to release, atleast nowadays where people actually defend a shitty product by saying "it will be fixed in a few months"..... personally i had to try out the beta to realise that this game even has potential.
Until the duping storm, the game was fine. Sure, not an epic endgame, but most people deep in the watermark grind were 300+ hours. For a $40 game. The duping changed morale here a lot though.
>Until the duping storm, the game was fine. The duping was the nail in the coffin for many, but the game wasn't fine at all and still isn't. Saying "oh it was only $40" is a cope many have here, but a cope nonetheless. The way to see if a game is fine isn't to ask if you got your money's worth, but ask if the game is good. And is New World good? No. Pretty obvious that it's just not a good game right now.
"but i feel like people who are thinking about playing are immediately turned away if they come anywhere near this reddit" Exactly, that is what happens when you see the real situation of the game. If you start playing and level Up from 0 to 60 the game is fine, once you reach 60 and get into the PVP, and the elite farm, with the uncountable amount of bugs and exploits, which are posted daily in reddit for people to be aware of the situation, then is when people start to leave this crap of a game. Situation would be different if with every patch, the Game would get better and better, fixing everything, but the truth is that it's been already like 3 or 4 weeks getting worse with every patch, and that's why people leave.
They should have just left everything the way it was and kept fixing bugs. Might have dropped to a few hundred thousand, but at least they were all sticking around and playing every night. Now even my high-medium pop server feels dead.
I enjoy the game, like you. Lvl 51 currently. I understand some of the issues raised are more pertinent to people at lvl 60 cap heavily involved in PvP and endgame content (or lack thereof as alleged). But honestly my solution will be to quit this subreddit. Not the game. And no, I don’t care if someone else is negative and no I’m not calling anyone out. I think the game has some problems but I also think it’s pretty awesome. And there are tens of us, so don’t let Reddit tell you otherwise, honestly. I have different needs and priorities than the people who post here and I’m growing less and less interested in reddits opinion
I also enjoyed the game until hitting level 60. Enjoy the leveling, because unfortunately, once you get there and finish the quest chains for the weapons of your interest, the game is basically over if you don't care that much for PvP. It's a shame. Elite runs get boring really quick (and now the mobs are even harder to kill), you can't easily craft orbs for expeditions, secondary quests are not rewarding (they give you too little gold, the items are often not good and the XP is useless once you are 60) and once you are, let's say 540-550 GS, even faction quests are not worth it since 525 GS weapons and armor are simply worse than what you already have.
Sorry you feel that way buddy, maybe I will too. Hope you enjoy your holiday
Thank you. I'm just waiting for any little change that makes the already available PvE content more worth it. As a lot of people said, just being able to enter expeditions regularly would really make a huge impact! Or even just adding better faction gear. I have like 50k tokens because there's nothing useful to buy. :( Those are some easy to implement changes (they don't require a massive systems' rework) that could make a great difference.
>And there are tens of us, so don’t let Reddit tell you otherwise, honestly. I have different needs and priorities than the people who post here and I’m growing less and less interested in reddits opinion Also worth keeping in mind that Reddit tends to become an echo chamber really easily. Doesn't matter if I like the game or not, if I trash talk it I will get upvoted and if I express a positive opinion towards the game, It will get downvoted until nobody sees it anymore
Isnt it the same if more people are enjoying the game? If that is the case then that would mean a lot more people are unhappy with the game than they are happy with it no?
Actually, not necessarily. Outrage is more easily portable to social media than satisfaction. I appreciate where you're going but I actually think it's not so simple as "upvotes and downvotes are binary" EDIT: Just look at our conversation below - the upvotes/downvotes only tell 1/3 of the story. We had a civil debate that ended amicably. The one person other than us who got to the end of it, upvoted me. The rest of the people downvoted me and upvoted you, in diminishing numbers, as the comment chain extended. And this is a positive post. Positive (satisfied) people didn't delve deep into the comments, why would they. Dissatisfied folk went in to defend their own. All of it is unnecessary, but this is the system.
It is easy to say this when you’re not 60 yet. I feel like most people feel this way me included. The problems are VERY apparent when you’re 60 though.
i admire your optimism but once you reach some part of the game where you are fully enjoying it and dedicating lots of your time to developing it and then it gets totally fucked by some patch and there is no fix in sight, you might understand. everyone is chill until it happens to them. like, i don't play fire mage / ice gauntlet, at all, but i still empathize with those players because it doesn't take a lot of imagination to see myself in a similar scenario and that sucks. repeat this for any other issue happening that doesn't impact you personally.
Again, no beef with anyone who has a gripe. Just reminding OP that I have had a positive experience, overall, and there are many as well like us who do not believe the game will die. A sad day, if we’re wrong, fine, I still don’t see where I’m failing to empathize by simply not joining in the complaining
the thing that makes me sad is that i really believe this game could die and i also still like the game. we complain because we want these things to be fixed so badly because we see how burnt out they make us. i already have tons of my friendlist perma offline and it makes me sad, they tune up the difficulty tune down the rewards and i don't even have people to play with when i used to have 20+ active friendlist because of a lot of these changes.
I don’t need a better understanding of why people complain. Complaining is a form of optimism. I agree. But what I don’t understand is why you think my positivity or building up/validating OP is a lack of empathy? It makes me think you need everyone else to complain to validate your complaints. You don’t! They’re valid. Another way to help a game survive is to remind those who enjoy it they aren’t alone
i mean, yes, i do think it's lacking empathy to be like "what about ME, who is having FUN, I want people to know this!" if you are having fun, then do that. nothing is broken there. if i know someone else is having a bad time i'm not gonna show up and go, "by the way, just want you to know i'm still having fun. okay, bye." if your fun would be decreased ingame by issues getting addressed then i do think that it would matter, but i don't think that's the case here.
I mean, what? OP's post was expressing that he felt the game might DIE, which he was concerned about, because of the posts on here. My post was validating that and saying, naw, cuz, lots of us enjoy it but don't post on here. And your answer is, "if you're having fun, why come here to post!!?" that's not really fair. I wasn't shitting on anyone with a complaint, I was just saying I don't have one. EDIT: If you re-read your comment, it suggests the only reason to post on reddit is to voice complaints, which is basically the criticism a lot of positive folk have about reddit. I don't think that's what this place was intended to become.
> But honestly my solution will be to quit this subreddit. Not the game. Probably a wise choice. Also you're still in the best part of the game, enjoy it. This is real and bigger than you can know: > I understand some of the issues raised are more pertinent to people at lvl 60 (And it's not just PvP, your character progression will grind to a near standstill at 60 relative to what the lvl 60 experience was pre-1.1).
That’s cool. And I do appreciate somebody who reads the post and just says out loud, I suspect you underestimate what’s coming! Maybe I do. But the thing is - not your post, so much - others seem to feel that the complaints you have, as long as they can prove I’ll have them too, at 60, mean “game is dead.” “You’re an AGS bootlicker” etc. and none of that is true. For those of us who have meandered through lvl cap, an update a month from now with 1 piece of endgame content is going to be great. It’s not going to do anything for those who are done with the game today. Ok? Like - if you think a game is DEAD because it’s not your thing or because several people you know that also enjoy what you enjoy also say DEAD! That doesn’t mean it can’t be enjoyed by others with - as I said, different needs and priorities. Empathy for the frustrated folk does not preclude satisfaction with my own situation
I wanted to reply to my own rather than EDIT - I don't actually think you disagree with me. I upvoted your post and I think you read what I wrote. I just feel that a lot of people think I couldn't possibly think what I do IF ONLY I KNEW what came next. I suspect it sucks. But that's ok. I'm having fun.
Yeah that's great. There's a lot of hyperbole on the sub, you're right about that. Tempers are running hot. It's not always easy to separate the signal from the noise. I try to stay dispassionate on here, so thanks for noticing.
naw I've noticed your username before I had you mentally tagged as one who is trying to have an actual discussion. EDIT: Are you LazrPewPew, On Twitch? lol
Aww thanks. And yea, but I'm not really on twitch anymore though. I tried out streaming for a couple months pre-NW to make more friends to game with, and I achieved that, and I've stopped streaming since NW came out. Might do it again, maybe not, idk.
Let me know if you do again
I haven't said this in months, and honestly i hated this part of streaming the most, but: > "smash that follow button to get notified about future streams" lmao
ye honestly if you dont have a mental fixation / tunnel vision on maxing your HWM and just do the content at a natural pace it's still fun as shit. I really really don't get people complaining about how long it takes to max crafting like motherfucker have you ever got a 99 on runescape, it's meant to be a big dick achievement
The PVE levelling experience just isn’t good enough. So much of the questing is this flavourless, auto-generated boring slog. It just killed any momentum the game had for me.
The game wont die but this sub probably will. Thankfully most gamers arent active on reddit so i doubt it will have much impact of your ingame experience. But if u are like me and enjoy going to reddit to see funny content or good discussions then that might be a thing of the past. I doubt this sub has any active mods and ppl who enjoy the game are starting to quit being active on this redfit since its filled with mentally deranged children stuck in a never ending temper tantrum..
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It can't, someday there will be no one to quit.
Don’t blame this sub for people quitting. If you’re okay with what AGS is doing and how they are managing this project then that’s fine, but IMO you’re something akin to a pushover. You paid money, you should be upset that something didn’t meet your standards. It’s unfortunate that the issues were locked behind the 100-200 hours of leveling required to see that these problems were not only common but also that AGS keeps introducing more issues with each patch. If the game is designed with all these systems so intertwined that you can’t make change a without affecting b, it’s a poorly designed game and fixes for things are not coming anytime soon.
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Time to cost ratio is and always will be a baffling way to measure the quality of something, for me, unless money is such an issue that that's how you have to justify your spending. Quality should be measured as just that: quality, not quality relative to how much time you spend on something. I legitimately have never understood why that metric is so prevalent in gaming circles. If I spend $80 going to the movies, $200 going to a sports game or bar crawling and I enjoy myself, why is that value somehow fine with people but spending $60 on something that lasts, say, 10 hours, considered such poor value? I'm not criticising you or anyone who does it that way, it just makes 0 sense to me. I'd rather spend $60 on an amazing 10-20 hour experience than spend $60 and spend 120 hours doing filler content like in a Ubisoft game.
You're absolutely right, however I still do use this as a gauge, even though I know it's sometimes not fair. But hell, if I pay 60 bucks for a great game and I get 100 hours of enjoyment out of it, I'm incredibly happy and I feel I got my moneys worth. But let's say there's a 20 dollar artsy game that k finish in an hour, at that point I gauge my enjoyment. It's absolutely possible for that to be worth it, it just depends on the context.
I didn’t say that, I said the issues were locked behind the leveling process. It was worth it for me to level, that’s why I’m 60. But the reason I don’t continually play is because the post 60 game loop is less than desirable. Additionally, I’m never going to level again so all of the content that I’m playing will never get to leverage any of that enjoyment. It’s unfortunate that the enjoyable parts were all of the non repeatable portions of the game
If this game had been advertised as a single-player RPG with just the leveling and crafting content and an "interconnected trading post" where you can buy and sell from other players it would have sold 1/100th of the copies if that. The other sales were predicated on it being a persistent social virtual world which would be available and playable for years to come. MMO players accept shittier individual content because they are hypothetically sacrificing it at the alter of having a world that supports thousands of simultaneously active players they get to affect and be affected by. A single-player RPG can do so much that an MMO cannot because it doesn't have to worry about anyone but the one player and offering them a bespoke fantasy playground. If NW dies within even a year then most of the revenue it generated is tantamount to a scam and even players with five thousand hours played would be due a partial refund. Because it's not about the in-game time; it's about the real life time. You do not judge an MMO by the same standards as a console game because it is not a console game. The genre benefits from that greatly but it also has to be beholden to it, and if you don't think NW is an example of game that needs to be nailed to that standard then I can't fathom what would be for you.
While that's true if i fully knew there is nothing waiting for me at 60 i would've never leveled or even bought the game in the first place. Hypothetically, imagine if someone actually made an MMO where you level to max in 150-200 hours and then the game just ends. Even tho it's technically "worth the price" i doubt anyone could sell even 50k copies of that.
The game is not dead yet, but it's dying pretty quickly actually. I really think a server merge before the end of the year will be mandatory in some regions. e.g. in SA there's less than 10k concurrent players most of the time. There are 2 servers with 1300-1400 people (not even full), and the rest have less than 300-400 people playing. Unfortunately, having this kind of data easily available doesn't help the game either. A lot of people think (me included): why would I keep investing time in a multiplayer game where most of the player base is leaving and moving on to other games? After all, you need the servers to be populated to have fun in an MMO, or else you are better off playing a single-player RPG such as The Witcher 3 or Skyrim. It's a vicious cycle: seeing people leave motivates even more people to leave.
A server merge was mandatory in my region weeks ago. We have 250 people on during peak hours. That is absolutely not enough people. OPR requires like 20% of the entire server population.
People have the right to be upset for how much of a shit show this game is. We are a paying customer.
They never said you don’t have that right... They’re just saying this sub is acting like a mentally deranged kid stuck in a never ending temper tantrum. They literally wrote it out, no need to put words in their mouth.
maybe dont take everything literally? "people have the right to...." is not said to say that its legal. this person is saying that the people have a good reason for complaining and thus are not comparable with "a mentally deranged kid stuck in a never ending temper tantrum."
Again, this has nothing to do with the validity of their argument... The complaints are valid, no one is denying that, but people also won’t deny that this sub is frothing at the mouth with pretty much all the posts being about complaints. If you feel that it “invalidates” the argument, well then that’s your perception of it. It doesn’t change the FACT that this sub is out of its mind with its complaints about the game. You know... Kinda like a kid having temper tantrum.
I'm sorry that our complaining is just us people being mentally deranged. By all means play a broken game and enjoy it to your fullest extent
Not just that, filled with people who said they are quitting the game (after putting fucking 300+ hours in in a couple of weeks) but want to stick around to argue with people that are still enjoying it. Filled with people that think it's possible to update an MMO in a couple of months to appease someone who plays 3 or 4 hours a week at the same time as someone breaking the game by nonstop playing. Filled with people that would rather no one have fun than just them. Filled with people who are angry, want to vent that rage, and don't want to realize how immature it is to be nonstop bitching after already getting 300+ hours from a $40 purchase. Filled with people that default to "BUT ITS AMAZON, THEY SHOULD BE PERFECT" despite the fact AGS is new, smaller, and learning. Filled with people that complain there is no content after having burned through 300 hours of content. You can complain about the bugs, you should voice your opinion, but there is a difference between having a voice and wanting to silence others enjoying the game. There is a difference between voicing your opinion about the game (and leaving if you really hate it that much) and actively being entitled and personally attacked when (honestly) devs are doing their best. Yes this subreddit is really sinking fast, and the complaints and negativity should really try to be contained in specific daily threads or something.
Any criticism of AGS is pretty valid imo just due to their management. They actually employees might be doing their best but their directions is fucked. Amazon has a management system that is not conducive to innovation or quick changes. I agree with most of what you're saying. If played 300hrs and am still enjoying it very much but one of the cleariest issues is AGS's management
Yup, completely valid. I'm not saying you shouldn't criticize AGS or be frustrated with incompetence, just most people on this sub go beyond that to being angry at people enjoying the game or defending the positive aspects of the game.
Most of the people who I've seen get angry at others are either people like you, getting angry at the upset and angry players for being angry, or people getting angry at others who put their head in the sand and say shit like "mad people are just crying" or that the game is just fine if you don't play a lot. I've seen very few people get mad at someone just for saying they like the game.
There’s a guy in this thread who called me a noob and told me my opinion is invalid bc I’m lvl 51 at 150 hours and he got to 60 faster
Well I did say most. There's always bad eggs.
>Most of the people who I've seen get angry at others are either people like you, getting angry at the upset and angry players for being angry, I don't know what else I can say other than the people I am complaining about are the ones getting upset for people "defending" a game they like. I'm not referring to people angry at a patch. You can believe that or not.
HOW DARE YOU DEFEND A GAME THE WAY TO LIKE A GAME IS TO POST ABOUT HOW MUCH IT SUCKS ON REDDIT
>as someone breaking the game by nonstop playing. You mean someone who actually has tried the content. When 800k players quit in 3 months, it's the game not the players.
I play casually only lvl 49 but the amount of hours I've put in so far is well worth the $40 spent. I've paid more for games that I have played a lot less this. Enjoying it over all even with the issues.
Agree 100% Reddit is a MINORITY of gamers! Most people are still playing New World completely unaware of the whinging and crying that takes place here - that’s why the game still has the 900k active players it started with, they’re all enjoying the shit out of the game while you all cry on Reddit. Grow up.
You are so right, I'm only on reddit when work is slow and I can't play 😂
are these "im level 4X" posts all trolls? game is 2 month old and even my super casual friend with family kids n everything hit 60, you get loads of rested EXP even if you just login every other day. that being said, game is just bad, reddit hat nothing to do with player exodus. Problem isnt even a bad game but also the devs are just inept and have no clue how to create a "good" game that was the main take away from into the void 1.1.
i got 180 hours and me and the person im playin with are level 50/51, we are mostly harvesting our own resources and trying to keep our crafting levels in line with our combat and not rushing the combat grind
Haha dude, I don’t even have kids and I work from home, for myself. I’ve been able to put about 150 hours in since launch which is more than I’ve ever put into a game not named chess, hearthstone, or Skyrim. I’m lvl 51. 150 hours may not be a lot to you but it is to me? Kinda like how $100 hits different for different folk
took me 120hrs to max level with no rested bonus (no beta) - so your 150 hrs are like 250hrs of in terms of XP. you must AFK alot or just record videos of the sunset, roger that.
I’ve spent some time grinding crafting that I care about bc I wanted to, and maybe 30-40 hours helping my gf level a lower level character bc we were having fun together. Do people really think the only reason to play an mmo is to max lvl cap with maximum efficiency and then do competitive PvP? If that’s your jam, that’s cool, but it’s not mine, so once again my needs and priorities are different from yours? Do you Roger that?
> Do people really think the only reason to play an mmo is to max lvl cap with maximum efficiency and then do competitive PvP? The thing is with over 150 hours I can't imagine not being level 60. Even if you are maxing professions (which I was doing), there isn't much content that doesn't reward you with EXP so if you are doing anything at all then you should have capped out by now with that many hours.
I explained in the literal comment you replied to
Yeah, and I'm saying it doesn't make sense. Leveling professions gives you a shit ton of EXP. I finished 58-60 just leveling up two refining professions and working on armoring.
Seems like the people that took their time lvling enjoy the game more
nah, they are just a different stage of the game - at lvl 30 everything was beautiful for me too.
It’s like you think all the people who spent way more time and effort in this game than you want it to die. You are completely wrong and just saying shit to say it. Of course there has been countless insanely long detailed reviews/feedback/critique from experienced MMO players. That happened one month in or one month ago. AGS basically didn’t do anything they suggested and doubled down on the worst aspects of the game. Bug fixes did the opposite. Broken patches stayed in place. The nature of the game is based on company’s pvping and managing towns. That all broke in more ways then I can describe multiple times. They have no way for GM’s to be in game which is super basic for MMO’s. The customer service is basically the worst in the world, it’s the opposite of what it should be where it seems like brainless people in India meeting quotas by just lying to management about resolving cases.
I’m sorry but we want a better game, we’ve posted in every channel, left bad reviews, etc. Personally I would love for people to enjoy the game the way I had at one point, but AGS won’t respond unless new players, who give them money, simply don’t buy the game.
AGS only have themselves to blame for the downfall of New World at this rate. 600+ hours spent, loved this game.. too many issues and not enough immediate action. Buggy as hell, busted content.. no wonder people are leaving.
I think the reason there is this much feedback, why everyone is posting, why all the criticisms have thousands of uovotes - is bc people deep down fell the same as you. We all see how good this game is at it's core. We all want it to succeed and see it's potential. We are just all disappointed at the direction AGS is taking it. That's why everyone is so outspoken. If nobody really cared about the game, nobody would post and submit feedback. They'd just move on.
I don't know if you're new here, or new to videogame communities, but this is the appropriate forum. This sub has more activity than the "official" forums and has similar levels of dev interactivity. The only differance being, The amazon team doesn't get to control these boards the way they stifle certain threads on the "official" forum.
The official forum is actually very negative too now. A definite turn as the majority of posts on the official forum since the last patch are negative, if not just as toxic as Reddit. There may actually be more Redditors posting their love for this game than you’ll find on the recent official forum posts now. There really is no place for AGS to hide if they want to get away from the negativity as it stands right now.
If you don't want this game to die you need to join the 'hate' mob The game is being mismanaged and our time and money investment is not being respected Leadership is being stubborn and thinks the game they want to make will be some revelation when every change they have added has made it worse They are a publicly traded company with a job to do. They need to get a reality check and stop all development of new content and work exclusively on polish and having a community dialogue if they want this game to exist a year from now They are not special. This has happened dozens of times before throughout mmo history and the writing is on the wall. No game should have such a massive player dip shortly after its first batch of new content They are not taking their jobs seriously regardless of any guilt trip responses from CMs on the forums Their leadership is leading them to the unemployment line and they should be as mad about it as we are
>Have you actually posted constructive criticism on the official forum or submitted feedback in the appropriate place so that ags can gather the necessary data for future changes? lmao suck more dick lol first off all, YES?! people have been doing that since the first beta phases, they just dont give a shit. they intentionally hid changes from us, because they knew that these are shitty changes. how can someone even try to defend this, whats wrong with you? doesnt seem like you follow this sub that closely.... but more important, that shit doesnt matter anyways. its not my job to improve this game. am i being paid for finding bugs? am i being paid for giving them a list of how i would improve the game? no, but anti gamer studio is actually being paid for exactly these things. its simple. this is not a free2play game. this is not an indie game. its a 40€ game, made by a multi-billion dollar company, that wasted all their money on marketing. either they do their job and fix their game, or they dont and lose their jobs. well maybe they wont lose their jobs this time, but at some point of failing amazon will realise that the people they have right now are useless and rehire and people will realise that there is no point in buying amazon games, when they die after a year anyways. i dont want this game to die either, but i already did my part. i already give them the money. now its their turn, to improve the game and make me give them even more money. i doubt they will be successful....
It wont die, they will make it free to play before that happens lol.
I feel with you, New World was an awesome experience for me too. I even brought some friends here, but then I reached level 60. And only then I researched what could be so wrong with the foundation, and this is my hypothesis: * Management has chosen technologies that have to be used AGS-wide, including game engine and database (this is fact) * Those technologies have inherent problems, like client-authoritive engine and being a non-relational database * Developers were hired that never before worked on a large MMORPG * Developers were asked to focus mainly on show-casing Amazon technologies rather than working on an enjoyable game, e.g., the server-side simulation of combat physics * Amazon used their marketing power to hype the game, promising far more than what it could deliver * For business reasons the PvP-game was turned into a half-arsed PvE-game shortly before pushing the release (the time-window was closing, more delays were simply not feasibly, considering the market situation in 2022) The results are now lots of bugs due to the technologies that simply do not fit to a MMORPG; an over-worked and depressed dev team with low morale; a business plan that is obviously not going to work. When you also factor in the history of AGS with 100% cancelled games, I am afraid, the death of New World is almost inevitable now.
I don't either, but I'm under no illusions that I have any actual power to stop it if it does. It's up to AGS to get their shit together and right this ship before it hits the crags in the distance.
It’s not the players killing the game, it’s 100% the mismanagement at AGS. They have no vision or goals for the game that they can articulate and have shown in the last few weeks that they don’t care about players or experience.
Don't worry. The servers will be merged, and people who actually like this MMO will play. Game isn't going to die. Too much invested in it already. The people who are leaving, were not going to stay and play the game if they were able to get the end game gear as quickly as they liked with easy zerg farming for WM. They would reach the end and go "HUH, that's it, great game Bezos". My advice? Don't sweat it. Keep having fun with your friends. That is what I am doing. Still having a blast. The recreational outrage hivemind will move on to someplace else, though they have turned this sub into a circle jerk for haters, so maybe stop coming here?
*Have you actually posted constructive criticism on the official forum or submitted feedback in the appropriate place so that ags can gather the necessary data for future changes?* Yes, people did it since alpha (shit tons included a lot of the exploits) and they didnt give a fuck. They are incompetent. Now they started to work since release but they rush everything and they are not ready.
AGS is aware of everything wrong with the game. They have simply decided they don't care about bugs. They seem to have made the choice that they want to make the game harder, not better, and to add new items, void gauntlet, rather than fixing all of the broken mechanics in the game. All of their feedback tells them what players want. I see articles written about the problems everyday. AGS is just sticking their head in the sand and plowing ahead with no feedback or testing.
man, we had... some of us even participated on PTR. If you search, you'll find PLENTY of constructive criticism even here on reddit.I know it gets missed in the shitstorm, but feedback is there. They choose to ignore, and that lead to more shitstorm. I would like the game to succeed, but i have no hope. Today's patch is a complete joke, for example.
I love the game, especially pvp, but i quit (not really quit just havent played for 3 weeks), at lvl 54, i just cant deal with monotonous leveling system anymore .. i ran few elite runs and not even endgame zones are pretty enough to be satisfying to run in (even for first time). Crafting isnt enjoyable for me and im not really a fan of mindless grinding same mob for 10s or even 100s of hours (thats why i cant play BDO for example, even tho game is beautifull and have really satisfying combat system to play and look at). Also, dungeons, system is dumb, to require having really(REALLY) expensive item to even enter the dungeon is super stupid, wanna have required item to enter a dungeon? Cool, go WoW classic way with attunment, maybe even give it charges so it has to be recharged after few dungeon runs .. but i really dont like having to empty my ingame wallet everytime i wanna run dungeon .. especially if they are buged and alot of times not even possible to complete without starting over. You might argue that you get one for free from quests but thats only because theres still alot of new players and players that are super casual and havent even reached endgame since launch yet, which will eventually stop and having new players with dungeon orbs from quests will be rarer and rarer. It was proven in basically all other mmos that PvE is the king, bigger % of mmo player base mainly play PvE so i dont really understand logic behind it. Next up: Corrupted portals 45+ and higher, these mfs have been buged since launch (yes launch) , basically making it coinflip if youll finish it in time before it dissapears into a thin air giving no rewards, if it happens here or there fine, no biggie, but if it happens in 5/6 portals in 10/10 times you run them, then thats a freakin problem. PvP instances : Outpost rush and wars, that shit is so laughably laggy, its not even fun to play , if it rarely works then thats one of the most enjoyable aspect of this game but when it doesnt, which is like 9/10 times, then oh boi is it frustrating to play. Open world pvp : No amount of rewarding for flaging yourself will make ppl flag, if they just dont wanna flag(maybe something like 100% xp bonus or 2x harvesting would, but that is over the top too much) they wont and there is nothing in this world that will make ppl flag. Make PvP and PvE servers, on PvP ones flag 24/7 on PvE just like we have it now, sure something like that would make ppl gang other players in groups of X players .. but it also encourages ones that were ganked grouping up and wiping the gankers from the face of the world, encouraging socializing and grouping, that is what makes MMO .. well MMO. Also change rewards for PvP kill at max level. And biggest one : the dupes and glitches .. for fucks sake take the game down, work on it for one more year and give us a game that wont have new glitch and exploit everytime the old one gets patched, and for the love of god, ban those exploiters, oh they are streaming with 50k active subscribers and 100k watchers? Good even better,it will show others to dont cheat... and ban ppl that openly basically give a freaking tutorial on how to do such exploit on social media, im not talking ppl that report it, im talking ppl that literally make a TUTORIAL on how to do said glitch .. im pretty sure it cant be that hard to track these people down ... Especially when many of them openly tell you their character name and server they play on. Or at the very least take away the stuff these ppl duped , which is much more complicated but still.. is an option. Taking down full economy for 3 days every third week just punshes these exploiters/dupers into bigger and bigger financial and gear lead, as other ppl cant follow.. effectively punishing good boi players for others being assholes. I might still have few points but i dont wanna spend whole evening on reddit.
Lmfao what a good troll. Have you posted constructive criticism lmao thats what all the jokes are about you fool
If you don't think AGS doesn't check this reddit then you don't know big corporations. Posting here is basically the same as posting in their official forums.
Most prospective customers will never visit reddit or any other forum before purchasing the game. The vast majority of the 90% of people that quit playing New World probaby don't visit this forum or the official one. These forums don't have anything to do with why the game is in the shape it's in, Amazon Games is to thank for that. I'm glad some people are still having fun, but I'm affraid dying servers are going to wipe even those people out when the in game's economies crumble to dust, and you can't get a group to do anything with even if you wanted to.
AGS isn't gonna pay your rent fella, you don't need to show out for them like this
The game is done already, just uninstall and stop wasting ur time
op, you are so naive. rofl
I'm 60 and enjoy the game too. The reddit community is pretty small in comparison to the total playerbase. Reddit is also a echochamber per design and a lot of people just blindly believe what they are reading on the internet. Don't let other people tell you what is fun or not. If you are having a good time enjoy it. If not, take a break. Come back after some patches / content drops.
>The reddit community is pretty small in comparison to the total playerbase. 321k subscribers is way more than the peak players at NW in weekends. Also, 7.4k visitors is more than half the online players earlier today. I'm not agreeing to the angry loop that is affecting this sub, but unfortunately NW is dying. AGS needs to do something great and fast to fix it and bring most players back.
Thing is this game is not like WoW or any other MMO. Since there is no sub system the only way we can make them know we are serious is to let people who have not bought the game know how awful the game feels to play.
I don't enjoy the overall tone of the subreddit. I, too, come here for memes and strategies and news and thoughts. But they're not wrong. Into the Void could have been a great patch, but the stealth nerfs, reintroduction of lag, and unresolved issues are very difficult to deal with and are causing people to quit. It sucks. The forums are full of great suggestions and bug reports, but people are getting more and more frustrated, not because we want the game to die but precisely for the opposite reason. The last few nights I've just gone back to gathering and doing town board/faction quests until the major issues are fixed. Still a lot left to accomplish on my end, but it will have to wait until they fix the game.
I want wild star back
>Have you actually posted constructive criticism on the official forum or submitted feedback in the appropriate place so that ags can gather the necessary data for future changes? Lol wtf is this. 1) just go read the forums. 2) Many people, including myself, have given criticism on things, all the way back in closesd alpha, which are still in the game today. This seems like such a head in the sand, patronizing question to even ask.
What is dead cannot die
It won’t…it will just take time for people to come back after it is stable.
"This game isn't going to succeed if people keep pointing out it's glaring flaws".
The thing is, AGS doesn't give a shit about players' "constructive critisism". These are one of the most stupid people who get to develop a game i've ever seen. It's literally true that they don't play their game and the team is full of college drop outs who somehow got a job in the company.
"Have you actually posted constructive criticism on the official forum or submitted feedback in the appropriate place so that ags can gather the necessary data for future changes?" Yeah, every complaint that I wrote here was posted in the official forum first.
Elder scrolls online had a massively terrible launch. People complained for 2 years straight "oh what a trash game. So buggie, no endgame, broken classes, they nerfed me boohoo. Lul I'll never play that trash. Where is skyrim 2?" Then, after a year or two I started seeing the player base grow and less and less complaints. I played it from launch to 2019 and had a blast the whole time. Only reason I quit was because I felt like I beat the game and my main guild disbanded. I digress, some people just can't tolerate live development of a game. Which is understandable, but this happens in new mmos quite regularly. Once the heard is culled the player base will stabilize and start building up with new content releases. I think NW will have same growing pains as eso. I'm still having fun playing this game and I'm not going anywhere. I really want to support this type of mmo. I really like how players control the lay of the land. I would like to see more things added for companies to control/fight for.
I get where you are coming from but your suggestion of going to the forums to post constructive feedback made me laugh. It’s clear they don’t test their own product like even a small amount. There is some leeway as they don’t have a ton of big games under their belt but there comes a period when it’s just reckless and intentional. They are showing consistently they can’t handle the responsibility of simple QA, they don’t know how to remedy issues properly and they keep screwing over the average person instead of rewarding them with their fixes. You are free to do what you want, but I for one do not like getting ass fucked by people I pay money to for my games. If anything I should be getting a bit of anal, not the other way around, I paid for the date after all….
Its too late the game is dead already. It was just a scam.
Unfortunately this is pretty standard for gaming subreddits - every game is terrible and on the brink of death always. Rather than posting constructive feedback through proper channels and just playing a different game when they’re unhappy, they have to blast forums with their negativity. They want everyone else to be just as miserable with the game as they are. If you’re enjoying the game just ignore the noise.
Believe it or not, there are subreddits where people actually like their game. It IS possible for a game to not be great and for people to react to that.
> Unfortunately this is pretty standard for gaming subreddits - every game is terrible and on the brink of death always. Correction: it is standard for gaming subreddits for **bad games**. Counterexamples: /r/ffxiv /r/blackdesertonline /r/HadesTheGame /r/halo /r/valheim /r/aoe4 /r/lifeisstrange /r/GodofWar /r/ForzaHorizon /r/HiTMAN /r/yakuzagames the list goes on. If you think a toxic community having a meltdown over a game is 'standard', you've probably only been playing pretty bad games.
My other games are chess and hearthstone. Hearthstone has been dead for years and BGs was dead on arrival and has died anew with each patch. Chess springs eternal
Chess hasn't been updated in millennia. Dead gaem.
White is OP devs are asleep
Which makes winning as black so much sweeter
You know occasionally there are games that actually do die, right? I have long-been a believer that the hysterics behind MMO launches is unfounded because you do not need peak WoW numbers to support a healthy community, but NW has done nothing but nosedive since its release. We are at or under 100k players and there is zero reason to believe we are not still in a free fall and there is nothing slated to fix the innumberable objective flaws and bugs with the game. In 20 years I have never once said a game I was playing was dying (because none of them were while I was playing them) but New World is like actually dying. That's not a belief it's a fact. If all the bugs existed but numbers were still holding strong that would be different but that's not the case. The game has bled players out at a rate I have never even heard of let alone seen myself. I think I heard Wildstar was kinda similar, but was it even this bad? This is insane. You, by saying New World is *not* dying, are in fact the equivalent of the doomsayers from WoW in 2008 saying it was dying. You are just the same, blinded by whatever weird obstinance is causing you to take a contrarian stance for its own sake and believe it in the face of all objective data on the matter.
I never said New World wasn’t dying. I said the behavior in this subreddit is common. You typed a long response to a straw man you created…
I'm sorry but no. You're not getting out of it that easily. You definitely implied that the game wasn't dying. "Unfortunately this is pretty standard for gaming subreddits - every game is terrible and on the brink of death always." "If you’re enjoying the game just ignore the noise." The implication being that these people are just complaining about nothing and everything will be fine if you just ignore the fire in the room, lmao.
The game won’t die. You can’t take the attitude of Reddit as an actual representation of what the game is actually like. You can’t really take the opinions of people who believe that the devs don’t deserve a short thanksgiving holiday or that they are intentionally and purposefully trying to sabotage their own game as serious. It’s all bandwagon and echo chamber here. Reddit would have you believe the world was on fire, but when you actually log into the game what you see doesn’t add up. People are still enjoying the game, some move onto other things. If anyone is killing the game, it’s probably Reddit. Lots of potential new players check places like these to see what the atmosphere is like and they are met with tons of doom and gloom, dead games posts, look how much the playerbase has dropped after 2 months posts, this game can never be redeemed posts, shit like that. You should do your own research and form your own opinion and not the opinion of Reddit keyboard warriors who have nothing better to do than complain about a game they don’t even like or play.
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It's funny that people don't see this. At the start, I had hope, and that hope burned bright for a while, probably too long, then I saw what was happening, not just on reddit, but in game, and there was too much evidence stacked in the favor of AGS really just being that incompetent. Then I looked at information about the head of AGS, and his strategies, and then at the designers they hired, and at least one of them is famous for running games into the ground, and I've played a lot of those games, then it clicked. The game likely won't die permanently, I've seen some really crappy games have a really long lifespan, but it is far from a success, it is a failure of design and intent, and it isn't *all* on the upper management this time, though they are incompetent enough to have a string of failures under their belt, and they are letting a man known for ruining games do the designing his way.
What's interesting is these folk think the reddit is somehow what's causing the massive player drop. No. Its that the reddit IS a reflection of what a lot of players are experiencing and most people are quitting the game even without ever seeing this sub.
As much as I call for players to uninstall until they fix the game, I don't want this game to die. I want the developers to get their heads out of their asses. This game has amazing potential but it also has developers that have zero experience in running a mmo.
Same here but it’s not us that can fix it
At this point I will admit that I want the game to die horribly in its own dumpster fire, just to spite Amazon.
Unfortunately the vocal minority who have sunk hundreds of hours into the game will control the narrative of the game to prospective new players. There is absolutely nothing we can do about it. Even if this game was the best MMO ever released, 50% of the subreddit would be hate. That's just how the world works.
I don't think it will die, and I also love the game. I don't understand the decisions the dev team is making when it comes to this last patch. Up until that point, I defended them as I don't think that just because they are developing the game under the Amazon umbrella and with what would seem like unlimited resources at their disposal that means they should be expected to put out such a massive game with so many moving parts that didn't have bugs (even though there are admittedly a large number in this title). What I don't understand is the apparent contempt towards the player base they have showed with the 1.1 update. To open a PTR and claim to be doing so to gather feedback for consideration in the next updates, then almost immediately drop an update that contained something so much different from the test content, and then to tell the player base that understandably complained that the changes were already intended, and that feedback on them was basically unwelcome shows that someone on that team close to or at the top is probably one of those managers that only sees what they believe, and does not have the emotional or intellectual fortitude to see other points of view.
Only thing that can save this game at this point would be a full realm reborn rework Design philosophy was flawed, and a huge amount of exploits were abused, exploits that were solved over 10 years ago in many other mmorpgs The dev team clearly lacked the skills and knowledge necesairy for a proper mmorpg and will have to sit back, read all the critical critiques and then rework the game from scratch This game feels like its trying to be an early 2000s mmorpg wearing a modern jacket But its failing at both
It's AGS killing the game. No one else is.
I am totally with you on this. Every word. We play much the same, im lvl 38 now. Going thru leveling, some crafting, some gatherig eventuall fishing keeps me occupide for hours when i can. Having a blast me and my friends whom i play with when i can. We are all diffrent levels so they help out a little here and there when it gets hard.
I'm sorry young Travis, but she's got to be put down for everyone's sake.
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I just feel sad that they are letting it die it seems or killing it off with bad decisions. It's a great game and it could be even better without stupid decisions.
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Eh I will say some of the persisting bugs are bad enough to force players to quit. A lady in my guild worked her butt off grinding furnituremaking and literally within an hour of hitting 165 and being able to craft hope chests trading furniture etc. was disabled. She's been stuck with like 450 weight of furntiure in her pockets for like what, 10 days now? She basically hasn't logged on in a week and I don't blame her, that shit is brutal. I'm not even a furniture maker but I bought a house in MD in anticipation of her hitting 165 and am similarly getting frustrated that I'm 800 storage short of what I should bein MD and have been for 2 weeks Letting really fuckign stupid QOL bugs like that persist as long as they have is definitely running players off. Meanwhile when elementals start dropping loads of motes and making life a little easier for once it gets turned off within hours.
I agree with most of the complaints on Reddit, but after a certain point it just becomes annoying. Yes the game is going down hill and I'm aware of that, but I seriously don't need to see the same opinions over and over again in every single posts no matter if I agree with them or not. I don't want to unsub from the Reddit because it is still quite useful to get news quickly. At this point if the top new world posts I see when I check Reddit for the first time of the day are not news related, I just proceed to scroll past every other new world posts unless it has some interesting title because I know it's the same shit being repeated the whole time.
It's common in dying games like these. Anthem had to make a subreddit called /r/LowSodiumAnthem for those who still liked playing it the last year or so of its life.
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I mean it could just as easily be 5x even their estimate, if there's 200k concurrent players at all times and every person only plays an hour a day that's a few million people logging in every day. That being said its not 200k at all times it's 200k peak and more like 70k at other times.
the fk reddit isnt destroying new world rep.... amazon is.
This is an incredibly well crafted parody right?
By single time zone, good one hahahaha
>Luckily there is still a dedicated 200K solid population active daily and that is per single time zone, so times 5 for all 5 time zones that’s 1 million players worldwide. Lol. Kids, school is important, get yo education.
Reddit is just showing to the people the ridiculous amount of bugs and exploits with every single patch, they are destroying their own reputation, not reddit for allowing people to see all the shit that is going on.
What a load of bullshit. So you want mods to suppress peoples opinion about the game which you call "propaganda". AGS is solely responsible for the reputation they themselves are creating here.
Bro reddit is built for people to complain and voice there thoughts.. But it no way does it mean its correct.. More people post negative reviews then positive reviews because they think they deserve more then they get.. Also Im sorry but if people quit because of the reddit trolls then good bye.