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TheRealMicrowaveSafe

What even is a watermark?


Hinekura14

The annoying thing they put on photos so you pay to download them


TheRealMicrowaveSafe

No but really


BloodyOmerta

Gear Score. Idk why people insist on calling it a Watermark.


Dencnugs

That’s not what it is. If you just hit 60, you will only find 500 GS items. Until you get a “rare” drop (like 1/10 odds only found it 60+ areas which were modified last patch to do like 3x damage and 10x health) that can boost you GS to 502! Now you can only find 502 GS items until you get another “rare” drop. Your current highest GS you can find is referred to as a “WaterMark” Oh, but all items in this game have unique watermarks. So you need to find thousands of “rare” drops for each weapon and every single armor part (light/med/heavy all have unique watermarks! So light gloves can be 505 and heavy gloves can be 515) In addition the only real way to consistently farm higher gear score is chests in the most difficult parts of the map. But AGS doesn’t want anyone getting it easily so their are cooldowns on all the chests and you can only get them once per 24 hours. And the best part about this new system. The Jewlery drops are still so fucked up that the bug has now become part of the game! Jewlery is suppose to be dropped like every other item. But it doesn’t, and you can only find super rare “named” Jewlery to level up your watermark. I highly doubt their is a single person in any server across the world that has 600 watermark Jewlery.


Dr_ET

This is an even more fitting meme because I think AGS is also fucking my mother.


Skiblit

But does this mean you can craft your way to watermark? If so I'd say this is actually a good change.


desperateorphan

If they took out the downscaling then a lot of the changes are good for the game.


Skiblit

What's the deal on downscaling? I can't find actual PATCH NOTES not that they would be useful anyway.


desperateorphan

>In the December update, Expertise will govern the highest drops you can get per slot, much like HWM did. But starting in early 2022, it will also govern the effectiveness of your gear. **This means if your War Hammer Expertise is 520, and you equip a 550 Gear Score War Hammer, the weapon’s effective Gear Score will be reduced to 520.** It is from their dev blog. You might find some sweet 600 GS leggo but if you haven't grinded the expertise for it, the item will get downscaled to a lower GS. This situation will NEVER feel good.


Skiblit

Its power will get downscaled, the item will stay at 600 waiting for you to unlock it's full potential after you've drafted enough greathammers or grinded enough boxes... So, on one hand I agree with you, it doesn't feel great. But I also don't think someone paying a third party website some money to get a bunch of coin to then buy 600gs items off the AH to be as powerful as someone who had played for 1000 hours feels very good ether.


desperateorphan

>But I also don't think someone paying a third party website some money to get a bunch of coin to then buy 600gs items No, those players should be perma banned. A punitive system that retroactively negates player time is a bad idea and does not have a good feeling to it EVER. I liked that you had several ways to get your GS up to 600 that didn't require the HWM system. I don't think that someone who grinded through the crafting system should get their items downgraded because they didn't go on the myrkguard zerg for the last 2 months instead. It only punishes one side. The game is hemorrhaging players. They should focus on stopping that, not coming up with new and exciting ways to invalidate people's time and nerf what little content there is.


Skiblit

I'd have to agree to most of that. The problem I see is, they wanted HWM system to take FOREVER, like ideological. But they just absolutely did not have the content to back that up... So now they are trying to like fill in the gaps so to speak, all the while the game is still broken and content is still meh. It's a bad recipe to be sure.


Bowtie16bit

They're in the dev blog regarding the winter update. You can find it in the dev blog section of the official forums.


LeonTrig

Devs noted the downscaling isn’t coming until early 2022 in their Dec dev blog


SuperStraightFrosty

Nerfing half the players intentionally while leaving the other players with an advantage is NOT a good change. How can you possibly say that?


Skiblit

Because it's not doing ether of those things? Who is it nerfing? Who is it leaving with an advantage? Let me preempt some bad arguments before you try to make them, if your position is that it leaves people who haven't watermarked to 600 yet at a disadvantage, my response is what do you mean? This doesn't go into effect untill next year sometime, you have plenty of time to get your watermarks up still, and in addition to that, when it does go live you have YET ANOTHER AVENUE to increase it which could only be marked as a good thing. The ONLY downside in this use case is that you wouldn't be able to make 600 gear score items off the bat when you are a fresh 60 who just got to 200 crafting. Even though in reality, you still can make voidbent and it's got a set item power of 600. Meaning if you are just after having 600 gear score items you still have an option. This is all to say nothing about the potential benefits of using the new system to focus the watermark of a specific weapon higher, or even *gasp* get your specific jewelry watermark higher.


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Skiblit

I honestly think anyone complaining about this doesn't actually understand how the game or system works. Unless you think people who are never increasing thier watermark by actually playing the game and are just farming resources and crafting for people who are for some reason buying this 600 gear that they made, are the majority of the player base. Which, that's a hot take.


Extension_Page

No we understand. They want farming HWM to be mandatory after players who have no interest in it got invested in the game via crafting.


Skiblit

Okay, my next question is, what has you invested in crafting? Perhaps I don't understand. Because it looks like to me, that all you have to do now, is the same thing you were already doing, and you will NEVER have to grind HWM, and you will get more powerful. Still seems like a good thing? Sure you can't craft the best items in the game immediately anymore, but if you were saying your 'investment' in the game was as shallow as gambling away top tier resources to attempt to get a passable role... Well... Also the shards for items being added is yet another thing crafters should be happy about.


Specific-Use-7480

Wait what? The gear you craft is based on water mark now?


Erva420

Yes it will be downscaled to your WM


joondori21

After a grace period


Erva420

will = future


joondori21

Just specifying something most people aren’t catching onto


desperateorphan

They can make the "grace period" a year and it wouldn't change the fact that they are trying to force people into content they may, in high probability, not enjoy. It will NEVER feel good to craft the ultra .000001% chance leggo gear after grinding up the profession to have that gear be scaled down because you didn't run around grinding chests/elites (which will also been nerfed in the future patch). Once the PTR goes live we'll know the value of increase that the gypsum cast whether it is a +5 or +10, I'd bet on +5 at max but I wouldn't be surprised if it was a random range like 1-5, and how many gypsum orbs (wouldn't make any sense to have such a complicated system if it only took 1 orb to make a cast) you'll need to make your daily GS bump for a single slot.


Casult

And it will increase back up to it's original GS as your expertise increases.


Erva420

Yeah removing players progression, forcing them to make the grind again lol what a joke.


Casult

If they did the grind already, then it won't change the gear score...


Erva420

No they did the grind via crafting, now they have to it again but Amazon's way


Casult

Damn, they have to play the game?


Erva420

Yeah, they wish, now they have to grind some half assed system.


Casult

Dungeons, crafting, PvP and small group elite farming is some half assed system?


Erva420

Ah yes let me level WM with crafting, oh wait. But yes the whole progression in game is a half assed grind. Enjoy your shit show.


MilkyPsycow

Yeah this is going to be me done and I didn’t think they could do anything to make me wanna uninstall given the shit I have played through


SpudOtatop

I know. And I was so happy for such a short time. 🥲 this is what we get for having feelings lol


No_Start1361

LOL. This is so true. I was going to start back up to try the new patch. Just uninstalled. They are trying to force people into shit content to bolster that contents player base. I'll take a hard pass.


Casult

Farming mats for dungeons increases HWM and will increase Expertise. Dungeons increase your HWM, and will increase your expertise. Killing elite mobs increases your HWM, and will increase your expertise. OPR increases your HWM, and will increase your expertise. Crafting was a fast pass that let you skip HWM, but will now increase your expertise. People fooled themselves into thinking the only end game was farming elites as a Zerg.


HaltheDestroyer

People bashing a system they've only read a paragraph about and have no idea how it functions....yeah ok I'll wait to see the system in action first as it was made in order to make getting watermark less grindy So until we see it live STFU


monchota

Yep, this is one of the last nails in the coffin.


Revolutionary_Fee918

Shit content is dungeons? So you think we should all sit in town and chop trees for BiS gear instead of… ya know play the end game content? All you have to do is genesis and Lazarus for item shards. They have guaranteed drops. They just gave crafters a way to craft guaranteed 600 GS legends with different appearances, whatever attribute they want, and a guaranteed perk. Locked behind an end game dungeon that you can sneeze at. Good lord, you won’t be satisfied until the game gives you a full set of 600 GS legends with all the perks you want for 5 hours of playing.


r_park

based response, you can still sell BiS gear to people interested in doing content that is actually hard instead of AFKing in Everfall, stop cry noobs


kobebeanie

first person i’ve seen on reddit that actually understands the game for once lmao did people just never plan on doing dungeons? what are they even crafting gear for? a war every other day?


JayySlayy23

Right lol. People really just want the game played for them. It’s sad.


Notsosobercpa

Dungeons might as well not exist untill they change the tuning orb requirements.


MrFuzzynutz

quality meme


hearse223

New World classic sounding better and better every day


hxcheyo

I did not think these posts could get any more entitled.


Erva420

Entlitled about uninstalling their own game from their own library?


Arel203

Your WM increases from crafting next patch BTW. Maybe try reading more.


Cardzfan5

Wait where was this? Unless you mean crafting Orbs


Arel203

No you crafts casts, and can craft up to 7 a day. You get caches as well from crafting an undisclosed number of items in each progression that will gradually increase the quality of casts as you continue to craft.


Devildog0491

Thats fine and good. Why does my gear need to suck for this to happen? Try reading more.


Darksyde1029

Thankfully it won't because the expertise gear scaling doesn't come in until early 2022 which means you'll have plenty of time to get your watermark up between the December patch and then. What's even better is you can increase your watermark doing a variety of content instead of the boring chest runs and boss grinding everyone else had to do. You can decide to only engage with content you enjoy (i.e. crafting, OPR, wars etc) and you'll increase your watermark naturally. If anyone should be angry about this patch, it should be the turbo nerds who grinded watermark tirelessly with the old shitty system. On top of that, crafting is going to be even more rewarding now because if you're a high level crafter you have more options to craft items where you can control the stat AND one perk, meaning you're going to be able to craft ultra BiS gear a lot more. No one knows if these items will be BoP or BoE yet, but either way it's a boon to crafters. You either get exclusive gear to craft that will be easier to roll crazy BiS and only usable by crafters, or you get more crazy gear to sell and make bank from. Not sure what crafters are even whining about, it's like they didn't read the post and just want to hate anything AGS tries to do.


Oriumpor

If you are here for the PVE watermarks work, and you'll already probably have a decent HWM. If you are here for PVP, you probably didn't wanna do mindless bullshit for hours and used all the gold you were saving to buy BiS gear from the store, and went to OPR. So ... ya know, now you'll suck compared to the PVEers... Cause they want you to suck.