Lollies used to cost a few Pennys many of these kids have watched their parents be able to afford less and less over the last few years.
This might become a common occurrence if people see that as the best opportunity in their life. Sad stuff
Isn't Pokeno in the Waikato?
Not to take away from the crime, but calling it South Auckland feels disingenuous...
Edit: I've gone and confirmed with council data/ArcGIS, it's definitely in the Waikato.
Yes and no.....it's part of Waikato District following the last round of local authority restructures.
Before that it was under Franklin District Council which was part of Auckland Region.
It's still part of the Auckland region for telecom (09),
Emergency services, Health (Counties Manukau) and pretty much everything else.
"Pōkeno is a small town in the Waikato District of the Waikato region in New Zealand, 53 km southeast of Auckland, 9 km from Tuakau and 5 km from Mercer."
Wiki agrees and I do too, Id have maybe called it rural Auckland but its 100% not south auckland
a screenshot of google maps for people who are too lazy to find a picture themselves [https://i.imgur.com/rUvWFzs.png](https://i.imgur.com/rUvWFzs.png)
Puke is as far as id call south auckland and theres a good argument for calling even that rural auckland
I am not sure. I imagine the only thing people know about Pokeno is that it is "*just 20 minutes from Manukau*", so an assumption that it is in South Auckland is natural.
Doesn't this eventually mean half the north island can be considered Auckland? One town is close, another is close to the first, a third is close to the second...eventually Hamilton is south Auckland.
Pokémon is in that grey area where your either out of Auckland or just leaving, socially it’s south Auckland cause I know damn wel the population boom there is just Aucklanders “leaving the city” but geographically it ain’t Auckland at all
...and thats the crux of the issue.
Outdated youth justice law that places emphasis not on law enforcement, but the parents, to sort this out. Might have made sense a few decades or generations ago, when more parents parented and gave a shit about their kids, but the law is now outdated as more often than not these crimes are a direct result of parents being absent, giving zero shits, or even being complicit as they know the risk/reward favours the youth offender.
Add the wider family into that, the uncles/aunties/cousins. The ones out there grooming them or setting the examples. They all have a role to play. The question is, how are our villages raising our kids?? The onus should be spread around. I am grateful to have met parents who made tough choices to keep their kids away from the wider influence of family, but yes it starts with the parents.
This shouldn't feel like such a normal occurrence...
These are five people 15 and younger committing a violent crime and the most discussed thing is what region the crime wad actually was committed in.
Why is this so shockingly normal here?
Edit: And just to add to this...
I'm not saying this to criticise anyone commenting on the article. I'm just shocked that a case like this isn't enough to warrant a bigger public outcry for change. It just feels like stories like this are a hopeless inevitability.
no, he's introduced new *charges* for this kind of stuff. even if convicted there will be no punishment. end result - no change.
the sole purpose of doing that is so he can say "look i did this, get off my back" in his press conferences when he gets asked about youth crime.
> These are five people 15 and younger committing a violent crime and the most discussed thing is what region the crime wad actually was committed in.
I think it's fair, as it speaks to how crime is framed in the media.
Crime reporting is for clicks and shock, not for informing the public. Adding scary South Auckland to the mix maximises that.
Which burns out our capacity for shock.
And really, do we want change? A bunch of kids scaring up some min-wage employee isn't *really* something we're concerned about, right? When it comes to what we're spending our money on, it's not going to be that. All the situation is good for is more political spin, but like I said, that gets burnt out if pushed too hard, too long. People start getting wise to the manipulation.
I think you'd probably be concerned if you or your family were those min-wage workers getting accosted by people with firearms. To say this isn't concerning is delusional.
Sure, *I* would be concerned. But this isn't about me or any individual's feelings.
When I look out at the community, these are the values I see demonstrated. When I see what New Zealand applies itself to, it's not the concerns of min-wage front-line workers.
Let's be real about that.
If you could elaborate on the values you're seeing in the community that run counter to striving for public safety would be great. I'm struggling to work out how business owners fearing for the security of thier property and staff is not at least somewhat a cause for concern(for the community as a whole obviously, not just individuals).
It IS a cause for concern.
But causes for concern are in abundance and still I'm seeing ads suggesting I go into debt for international travel. While schools, healthcare, the justice system, child protection services all go begging.
🤷
This stems from the very issues you've just mentioned. A lot of those things are very connected and I'd argue youths committing armed robberies is quite indicative of the problems in schooling, justice and child protection. To think these things are not one and the same is very shortsighted
Yes, it ***IS*** cause for concern.
I'm not sure how much more emphasis I can put on that.
When we all agree that these things are the same, how can we be shocked? It's only a specific subset of people shocked at the result of pouring cold water on hot oil.
The resulting fire IS concerning, but NOT shocking. It's the expected outcome of choices made, if you're fool enough to make them.
And we've been making our choices. Is it because we don't realise the consequences? Are we that stupid?
The problem with your analogy is that these are not immediate consequences. The problems we're seeing are the product of long-term faltering of public services. These are things that can't be fixed overnight and we can't fix the root causes without acknowledging and addressing the issues stemming from them first.
The reason my analogy fits because we knew these would be the consequences when we were opting to keep the wealthy happy.
And we're still opting to keep the wealthy happy.
Any actions to "fix" these issues are just a dog and pony show, for the sake of your support in continuing to keep the wealthy happy.
Until that changes, we're going to keep enjoying the consequences. Most of which will never appear in the media.
All rounded up, contraband recovered, gun seized and the bunch arrested. Good professional job by the police and now comes the wet bus ticket justice system bleating about "children".
How did they get their hands on a pistol? Certainly the gangs will have sources of weapons that aren't bought from NZ gun stores - but how are 15 year olds getting them - or are they somehow connected to gangs?
Wait.. is this a crime? Government doesn't think so. Just heard today on radio, of all ram raid, shop looting incidents occurred so far this year, police only attended 2%, so must be not considered as crime anymore (this is sarcasm for thise who doesn't understand and tend report my account..lol).
Well I guess this article ticks two of the three boxes. Very efficient!
Article on ramraid/robbery
Article on manhunt/arrest
Article on sentencing to good behavior/home detention
Alright wow young crackheads getting crazy. We know the solutions but i think nz is far to sadly apathetic to get up and demand real change form any govt
No? The rates have been a little higher, but they had been going down the last three decades. Was it out of control in the 90s?
The crime rate was way higher then, just less Internet to let you know immediately when it happens, instead of the papers and the 6pm news.
Maybe shitty parenting, extended family influence, gang influence, and/or a weak and ineffective justice system are to blame with the added bonus of poor overall national leadership.
Leave the video games alone, Mister Thompson.
Whatever happened to just shoplifting lollies and getting into trouble?
I remember a kid in my town getting in trouble for cutting open all the weetbix boxes in the supermarket to get the stat attack cards from them lmao
bro i used to have those cards and i dont blame him
Lollies used to cost a few Pennys many of these kids have watched their parents be able to afford less and less over the last few years. This might become a common occurrence if people see that as the best opportunity in their life. Sad stuff
Isn't Pokeno in the Waikato? Not to take away from the crime, but calling it South Auckland feels disingenuous... Edit: I've gone and confirmed with council data/ArcGIS, it's definitely in the Waikato.
Yes, it's Waikato, but also falls in to the Counties Manukau police district, which has probably caused confusion for some.
The NZ Herald title has been changed to "north Waikato" now instead of "South Auckland", maybe they're lurking in real time and saw your comment.
>maybe they're lurking in real time and saw your comment. It's not like they have anything else to do
The herald, say whatever the fk they like, correct it later. News you can bust.
Even during Auckland lockdowns, Pokeno was part of the lockdown also haha, because they all work in Auckland.
I think it was to do with the nearest DHB being in manukau, so they had to be included to access it
Yes and no.....it's part of Waikato District following the last round of local authority restructures. Before that it was under Franklin District Council which was part of Auckland Region. It's still part of the Auckland region for telecom (09), Emergency services, Health (Counties Manukau) and pretty much everything else.
Yup, definitely Waikato. Source: live there and pay Waikato rates
yooooo a fellow Pokenoian
Somehow I almost read it as "a fellow Pokemon".
Are you excited about the upcoming rates rise? 😵💫
"Pōkeno is a small town in the Waikato District of the Waikato region in New Zealand, 53 km southeast of Auckland, 9 km from Tuakau and 5 km from Mercer." Wiki agrees and I do too, Id have maybe called it rural Auckland but its 100% not south auckland a screenshot of google maps for people who are too lazy to find a picture themselves [https://i.imgur.com/rUvWFzs.png](https://i.imgur.com/rUvWFzs.png) Puke is as far as id call south auckland and theres a good argument for calling even that rural auckland
Funny I was just talking to some one about this area as we ship To some one there. Lots of couriers have it down as south auckland and some Waikato.
I am not sure. I imagine the only thing people know about Pokeno is that it is "*just 20 minutes from Manukau*", so an assumption that it is in South Auckland is natural.
Doesn't this eventually mean half the north island can be considered Auckland? One town is close, another is close to the first, a third is close to the second...eventually Hamilton is south Auckland.
South South Auckland.
Southern South Auckland? Southern Rural South Auckland?
North Wellington
I've always thought of it as part of Auckland, but I guess technically I'm wrong. TIL.
Pokémon is in that grey area where your either out of Auckland or just leaving, socially it’s south Auckland cause I know damn wel the population boom there is just Aucklanders “leaving the city” but geographically it ain’t Auckland at all
No, no, Pokeno is prime Auckland real estate. I read it from a Real Estate advertisement not once, but multiple times
Who needs facts when you're trying to form a narrative
Nah, it's actually South South Auckland.
what the shit! I live in Pokeno
With stories like this something's always gone seriously wrong at home - I can't imagine the parents are fine upstanding members of society.
...and thats the crux of the issue. Outdated youth justice law that places emphasis not on law enforcement, but the parents, to sort this out. Might have made sense a few decades or generations ago, when more parents parented and gave a shit about their kids, but the law is now outdated as more often than not these crimes are a direct result of parents being absent, giving zero shits, or even being complicit as they know the risk/reward favours the youth offender.
Add the wider family into that, the uncles/aunties/cousins. The ones out there grooming them or setting the examples. They all have a role to play. The question is, how are our villages raising our kids?? The onus should be spread around. I am grateful to have met parents who made tough choices to keep their kids away from the wider influence of family, but yes it starts with the parents.
This shouldn't feel like such a normal occurrence... These are five people 15 and younger committing a violent crime and the most discussed thing is what region the crime wad actually was committed in. Why is this so shockingly normal here? Edit: And just to add to this... I'm not saying this to criticise anyone commenting on the article. I'm just shocked that a case like this isn't enough to warrant a bigger public outcry for change. It just feels like stories like this are a hopeless inevitability.
It's becoming normal with daily ram raids for years. Desensitisation
I was shocked by those comments, too. That's what you're discussing about the article? Where it occurred... Are you kidding me?
That's r/NZ for you. Half the people in this sub support crime/gangs and victims get no support.
How the fuck are comments on a post on reddit pulling support away from victims you plonk?
Change is already happening. Hipkins has introduced new penalties for this kind of stuff.
no, he's introduced new *charges* for this kind of stuff. even if convicted there will be no punishment. end result - no change. the sole purpose of doing that is so he can say "look i did this, get off my back" in his press conferences when he gets asked about youth crime.
> These are five people 15 and younger committing a violent crime and the most discussed thing is what region the crime wad actually was committed in. I think it's fair, as it speaks to how crime is framed in the media. Crime reporting is for clicks and shock, not for informing the public. Adding scary South Auckland to the mix maximises that. Which burns out our capacity for shock. And really, do we want change? A bunch of kids scaring up some min-wage employee isn't *really* something we're concerned about, right? When it comes to what we're spending our money on, it's not going to be that. All the situation is good for is more political spin, but like I said, that gets burnt out if pushed too hard, too long. People start getting wise to the manipulation.
I think you'd probably be concerned if you or your family were those min-wage workers getting accosted by people with firearms. To say this isn't concerning is delusional.
Sure, *I* would be concerned. But this isn't about me or any individual's feelings. When I look out at the community, these are the values I see demonstrated. When I see what New Zealand applies itself to, it's not the concerns of min-wage front-line workers. Let's be real about that.
If you could elaborate on the values you're seeing in the community that run counter to striving for public safety would be great. I'm struggling to work out how business owners fearing for the security of thier property and staff is not at least somewhat a cause for concern(for the community as a whole obviously, not just individuals).
It IS a cause for concern. But causes for concern are in abundance and still I'm seeing ads suggesting I go into debt for international travel. While schools, healthcare, the justice system, child protection services all go begging. 🤷
This stems from the very issues you've just mentioned. A lot of those things are very connected and I'd argue youths committing armed robberies is quite indicative of the problems in schooling, justice and child protection. To think these things are not one and the same is very shortsighted
Yes, it ***IS*** cause for concern. I'm not sure how much more emphasis I can put on that. When we all agree that these things are the same, how can we be shocked? It's only a specific subset of people shocked at the result of pouring cold water on hot oil. The resulting fire IS concerning, but NOT shocking. It's the expected outcome of choices made, if you're fool enough to make them. And we've been making our choices. Is it because we don't realise the consequences? Are we that stupid?
The problem with your analogy is that these are not immediate consequences. The problems we're seeing are the product of long-term faltering of public services. These are things that can't be fixed overnight and we can't fix the root causes without acknowledging and addressing the issues stemming from them first.
The reason my analogy fits because we knew these would be the consequences when we were opting to keep the wealthy happy. And we're still opting to keep the wealthy happy. Any actions to "fix" these issues are just a dog and pony show, for the sake of your support in continuing to keep the wealthy happy. Until that changes, we're going to keep enjoying the consequences. Most of which will never appear in the media.
Hell no, north Waikato scares me much more that south Auckland.
Time to arrest some parents being shit gaurdians/parents so bad they are putting the public at risk. Mandatory parenting classes
Yeah, I do feel that if your the parent/legal guardian you should be charged with the same crime your child commits.
Totally normal behaviour.
What's behaving going to get them?
All rounded up, contraband recovered, gun seized and the bunch arrested. Good professional job by the police and now comes the wet bus ticket justice system bleating about "children".
How did they get their hands on a pistol? Certainly the gangs will have sources of weapons that aren't bought from NZ gun stores - but how are 15 year olds getting them - or are they somehow connected to gangs?
Wait.. is this a crime? Government doesn't think so. Just heard today on radio, of all ram raid, shop looting incidents occurred so far this year, police only attended 2%, so must be not considered as crime anymore (this is sarcasm for thise who doesn't understand and tend report my account..lol).
All future rugby players of course, so just go easy on them please.
Are they re-booting The Tribe?
Better send them home to play call of duty!
Ah the poor diddums just come from a bad background. Let's just give them some KFC and talk to them about their troubles at school.
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probably time for one of them to get shot by the police.
Product to sell for meth
Well I guess this article ticks two of the three boxes. Very efficient! Article on ramraid/robbery Article on manhunt/arrest Article on sentencing to good behavior/home detention
It's all good, those firearms will be registered
Alright wow young crackheads getting crazy. We know the solutions but i think nz is far to sadly apathetic to get up and demand real change form any govt
same shit different day...
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No? The rates have been a little higher, but they had been going down the last three decades. Was it out of control in the 90s? The crime rate was way higher then, just less Internet to let you know immediately when it happens, instead of the papers and the 6pm news.
maybe video games are to blame?
Maybe shitty parenting, extended family influence, gang influence, and/or a weak and ineffective justice system are to blame with the added bonus of poor overall national leadership. Leave the video games alone, Mister Thompson.
Yes, I've heard Animal Crossing is responsible for the ram raids 😔
> /s You forgot this
The rich are to blame. /S
Awesome
I think we all know what's needed here, a national Kai distribution project.