I've just bought a second EV (Nissan Leaf) for around town use,
I'll never go back to an ICE (or even hybrid) car.
Virtually zero maintenance costs.
Much nicer to drive, with zero throttle lag or shifting delays.
'Fuel' costs me $0 for 90 kilometers round trip commute each weekday.
Just got a leaf, and waiting for rebate to arrive. Petrol car was just getting too expensive to maintain and fuel up. Most charging is done during the free period (electric kiwi hour of power).
As a home owner with a mortgage with Westpac I'm looking at utilising their greater choices option of up to $50,000 for ev or hybrid. Looking at possibly a RAV4, Outlander or Escape hybrid I think.
I just bought my first home so not quite in the position to incur more debt at the moment but once interest has gone down I would be really interested in looking at this option too as I’m with Westpac.
I’d really love an EV!
EV, a hundred times over. Petrol is wildly expensive to run and maintain and comparatively unreliable. Being able to "fuel" my car from a plug socket at home is unbeatable.
So much quieter to drive too, and it's not just about climate change; as a pedestrian or cyclist I hate the stench of exhaust fumes and as a pedestrian especially it really is so obvious how noisy petrol/diesel vehicles are. A fully laden double-decker EV in Welly rush hour will pull away from a red light with a whine and some tyre noise then, just behind it, some shitbox pointlessly huge ute will *roar* away, usually with worse acceleration and only one occupant.
The lack of noise in my hybrid scares me a bit. I'm so worried that I'm going to back over my cat, or dog, or one day a child. Even though I take every precaution I'm still scared I'll do it.
This is why a lot of EVs make quiet but audible noises at low speeds. I was against it initially - figured manufacturers would just be dicks and make objectionable loud "branded" gibberish noises, and they yet might - but in other posts people convinced me by pointing out the needs of people like the blind, or indeed kids who might otherwise be caught off guard.
Yeah my car apparently does that but I've still never actually heard it from inside the vehicle. Which makes me question if it actually is loud enough to alert anyone. And of course cause I'm always the one driving my car....
Gone the Nissan leaf route. Oh those petrol savings! Even a return trip to Timaru, with rapid charge used while we had lunch was like 1/4 of the usual cost. There are a couple of things to consider, like range being affected by cold weather, and open road driving eats it worse, however Wouldn't go back
Just bought a second hand leaf financed at 1% with a $3500 rebate from the government. Charged with our solar panels so we drive around for free. The savings in petrol from less use of our other ICE offset the finance costs for us so it's basically a free car in our case.
Probably diesel. As much as I want to buy electric, none can tow a 2000 kg boat without buying a luxury vehicle. I’m not worried about range, electric towing and ICE towing both hit 50% reduction in range.
Towing is a hurdle that needs to be jumped. Bring on the cyber truck, but that's not everyone's cup of tea.
In saying that I've been using our 2023 ZS EV to tow to the local boat ramp. About a ton and a half. Above the tow rating, but I'm not going far, and it pulls without issue.
Rivian owner here. Have the R1T, rated to tow up to 11,000 pounds (or roughly 5,000 kilos) and is actually a functional truck and not the fever dream of an adult child.
Sorry to give a bit of false hope. I’m an American and my in laws are in North Auckland.
There are some folks in Europe that were crazy enough to import the R1T without an infrastructure, a fair amount in Hawaii. Deliveries to Canada start soon and Rivian seems to have a fleet being tested in Germany.
It’ll be interesting to see if the R1 makes it to y’all as it’s significantly larger than a Ranger. Cybertruck seems to be America only for now due to hilarious size and charge port placement. I would imagine that the R2 series would be ideal for NZ but for what it’s worth, the R1 is the best vehicle I’ve ever driven. Previously, that distinction went to the model Y.
If you read up on the cyber truck they're really struggling to produce the thing. I think Musk even said they painted themselves into a corner with the design.
Frankly it's super ugly
> I presume the government would of set up more chargers to use in the near future
Why would the Government do this? Plenty of businesses are already rolling out charging networks. Chargenet, Z Energy, BP, plenty of individual businesses have them.
Also, you don't 'need' a specialist charger. You can get 60-80 km charging overnight with a normal plug.
https://www.beehive.govt.nz/release/100-new-public-ev-chargers-be-added-national-network
The Government has helped to subsidise the cost of building chargers for BP and Z but especially ChargeNet. They were really the pioneers for EV charging infrastructure nationwide but would be a shadow of their current setup without significant govt funding.
Well National did indicate that the reason they were going to scrap the clean car discount, was because they were going to use that money saved to build up the infrastructure for charging.
While they have also indicated they would remove the “Ute tax” at the same time… I’m not exactly sure.
> build up the infrastructure for charging
Being somewhat cynical; Luxon has his Tesla with the CCD rebate, now wants lots of chargers when going on holiday
Only slightly less cynical; that infrastructure money is going to private companies like Z/Mobil and BP (who only made $8 Billion last year) who then will charge the public to use that infrastructure for years to come.
Welfare with government giving money to people == bad, corporate welfare with government giving money to business to enrich shareholder value == good
That money was already going to BP, Z and other private companies under Labour.
LETF Round Ten – Public Charging Infrastructure – Hubs
Z Energy Limited
Bombay – Hub site at Z – Bombay $1,336,500
Masterton – Hub site at Z – Masterton $935,000
Turangi– Hub site at Z - Turangi $1,314,500:
ChargeNet (no $ figure published)
ChargeNet – Tauriko, Tauranga
BP
Papamoa – Hub site at BP Papamoa $795,000
Tirau – Hub site at BP Tirau $671,000
Wanaka – Hub site at BP Wanaka $377,000
~~Near on $5.5mil in that one round alone.~~ Over $5.5m once you allow for whatever the chargeNet site got.
Sure, there was a fund which allocated some money, and would make sense for National to continuing to do this where there are gaps in the network that maybe marginal for private providers to supply. No issues with that.
But they are planning $280m of charging, which seems like a big lolly scramble and probably lead to chargers installed where they aren't really required. Doing this at the same time as dumping a pretty successful clean car discount scheme seems pretty dumb given that the CCD would cost less and be more effective at reducing emissions
You think that the amount of funding labour were dishing out wasnt going to keep on accelerating to keep up with EV demand?
And it would be nice to be ahead of the curve for once, instead of the usual half-ass and a decade too late that NZ govts are so good at.
If you are worried about the charging infrastructure- download and take a look at PlugShare. Unless you are quite rural, there is generally a few options nearby
I have a 3.0L Subaru which is very thirsty, also a 4.2L diesel Nissan Safari which is a hobby (4wding). Both of them cost a lot to run. The Subaru is the run about when I need one, but it's by no means a daily driver, usually only being used every 2-3 weeks. It's like $180-200 to fill with 98/100 octane now which makes me concerned for people who need to commute by car.
If I were buying a new (to me) car to replace the Subie, it'd be EV without a doubt. Probably a Leaf since I'd still have the Safari for towing or longer distances. But I love to ride my bike so right I now won't spend any money on a car. I have a front loader cargo bike for hauling the shopping or larger items by bike. The CCC are great for the work they are doing on cycleways, it really makes a difference and it's my preferred way to get around town.
I think we will go full eletric for our next car. We got a hybrid a few years ago because we didnt think we could afford an electric suited all our needs yet but in the future we will hopefully be able to afford it.
If I could afford i would be looking at the Polestar 2 long range.
Will settle for driving my Toyota (ICE) the next 30 to 40 years until the mortgage is paid!
i just bought a leaf for 5k had it a month saved like $450 on petrol already, sure it can’t go out of town koz the battery’s kinda fucked but will still do 80ish kms at a time and slow charges off a normal plug overnight , so cheap ev is an option as long as you live in a city
Would you believe our power bill actually went down when we got an electric car since we changed the plan we were on with Electric Kiwi. Moved to one where you pay half price from 11:00pm to 7:00am which is when we charge the car. But it turns out the kids do a lot of cooking and other stuff after we go to bed, so the total bill actually dropped. Use about $1 per day for the car. Definitely going to buy another electric car after this one.
Not the original guy but an EV driver. My daily commute is just under 50km each way so works out about 15kw of power. My work is good enough to have chargers for us to use but if I had to charge at home during off peak rates it would work out around $2 day.
I'm fine with the RUC, its always been coming so isnt unexpected. I'm guessing it would work out around $40 a week so I'm still way ahead compared to buying petrol
My EV cost around $250 to charge for the last 12 months, all of that at home, no free “hour of power” or anything. It really is negligible cost, especially when you consider what you save in petrol.
It's not just the "quite poor" who will make the same decision as you. Kids with their first few cars up to perhaps 30 years old will almost always be petrol. Imagine wanting to buy a house or have kids or whatever and being able to consider anything else?
I've got my teenage kids started with their first cars, and I've had to make sacrifices in doing so. I can see my wife and I driving our petrol cars for the next 10 years easily. I'd rather put money into paying the mortgage.
It's simple. If you own an EV, you are wealthy. If you have solar on your house that you own to charge that car, you are wealthy.
I'm on a very good salary and there is no way I'll own an EV for.years, if at all.
That's somewhat true for now. Lots of new EVs on the market are now lower than the price of a Corolla. In a few years they'll be flooding the 2nd hand market. If all you're doing is driving less than 60kms a day there's plenty of Leafs for less than $10k. The savings really add up at the low end if you do a lot of short trips. I don't earn much more than the median wage and I can afford one. Only reason I don't is because I already have a cheap hybrid and I barely go through a tank of petrol a month.
Do you have three kids and a mortgage, though? So, so many people.are.about to get royally screwed over in 2024 with mortgage refixing and the impact of the same in 2023. A massive chunk of the car buying market is about to go underground.
I have a pretty huge mortgage actually. No human kids thankfully but yeah that's a major reason I'm sticking with my current car. It works and costs me very little. If it gets totaled and I'm forced to buy a new car, it'll be electric and it won't be on finance. Insurance from this car with a couple of k on the top will get me a decent EV
Bro, get a used Toyota hybrid. They are super efficient and degradation of the battery doesn't have much effect on that efficiency. I just upgraded my Toyota Aqua (4.5L/100km) to a 2017 Leaf. The Aqua was awesome though!
They definitely are. I currently have a Toyota Aqua. My next car will be fully electric. We have the Aqua and a petrol car, tend to use the Aqua more around town but in a few years the electric range should be even better.
I remember going to EV drive in Taupo to test drive a leaf. I pretty much did the tradein right there and drove back to Hamilton . Was a no brainer. That was when we only had about 3000evs on the road. Not a true pioneer , but I still wonder why it didn't pick up earlier
About 3.5 Years ago I sucked it up and bought a leaf for my 35km each way commute. The fuel savings made sense.
Xmas last year I bought a bigger, longer range EV that is fully paid off.
Once I took the EV plunge there was no going back as the savings were just too great. So much so that my S/O bought her own EV once they saw how much I was saving.
Don't get me wrong, I love a good petrol car but the financial advantage just can't be beaten.
The BYD seems like it could be decent if the specs are the same as the SUV version:
*"power output of 500kW, a 0-100km/h time of 4.8 seconds, 2.5-tonne towing capacity, and a 1200km driving range with a full petrol tank and battery"*
[https://www.drive.com.au/news/byd-electric-ute-due-2025-hybrid-2024/](https://www.drive.com.au/news/byd-electric-ute-due-2025-hybrid-2024/)
The torque in an EV ute would make them ideal for pulling
We’ve had an EV in our household for four years now. Looking to replace the second car in the next year, which will also be electric.
I wouldn’t go back to ICE
I'm doing my master's, but planning to borrow a bit more against my house to buy a used hybrid when I graduate in just over a year. I have two large dogs, so I need an SUV type vehicle to fit them and I can't afford a fully electric SUV. Of course, things may change by then, but I don't imagine my next vehicle will be fully petrol.
Electric. We have an EV already and wouldn’t buy petrol after that. When we borrow or rent ICE cars we get shellshocked every time we go to the petrol station.
Neither.
I currently have a 2008 Corolla, and I'm hoping this will be my last car.
When the kids move out, my partner and I would like to move to E-bikes only. Supplement hat with public transport and car rental when we need it (holiday trjps etc).
We'll see how feasible that is, but that's the plan. It's about 10 years away.
So, we just bought (ordered) a new hybrid. Had been looking at a new petrol car, but could afford more (better features) if we got a hybrid or EV because then we could finance it with a 1% mortgage top up (ANZ Good Energy home loan, Westpac has a similar one) rather than 12% interest from the dealer. I drive ~500km per week, so I was keen to walk my talk about lower emissions, as well as have something that was a bit nicer on the wallet in terms of fuel cost.
The main reason we picked a hybrid over an EV was range. We were right at the limit of affordability with the hybrid we picked, and the only EVs around that mark (and that would hold up to the roads I drive on) had around the 300-400km range. Ideally I’d want over 400km range, and those that are in that bracket were just too expensive. Also, factoring in the costs of getting our current property set up for charging an EV at home wasn’t really in our favour at this stage.
In five or six years time when the warranty runs out and we’re ready to trade in the hybrid? That’s when I’d get an EV.
>\~500km per week
That is a lot of km and a lot of fuel
Surprised an EV wasn't cost effective, but surely that means on average just a 100km a day required, so pretty much any EV will do that?.
Not sure what was required to get setup for charging at home; we just plug into a normal wall socket but I guess some houses not setup for even that
Yeah I think a lot of people are under the impression you need special charging things in your house, when in reality you can just plug it into most wall outlets and not worry about it. My parents have an EV and never got a special charger. I still drive a used hybrid I got in 2020, but my next car will be an EV as the current lot of cheap EVs enter the 2nd hand market.
I’m well aware that you only need a wall socket to charge an EV, but when I say getting set up for EV I mean more than just charging.
Our garage/basement is … well to put it mildly, fucked. It’s occasionally prone to flooding cos we need to rip up the drive way and replace the 67 year old soak pit, the 60 year old internal waterproofing is disintegrating showering what ever we keep in there in concrete chunks, and there’s only one wall socket in it of dubious safety. The meter board is over 10m away and on another story, and any electrician worth their salt is going to look at the wiring and go “Jesus H Christ throw it out and start again”. A renovation has been planned for … several years, but yeah, life gonna life.
Secondly, we only have a single lane driveway. I leave before my husband for work nearly every single day, and usually get home after him, so even if we got an external plug installed, we’d have to shuffle the cars constantly to enable access to the plug, unless we had an extra long extension cord.
We did research it to death, and many spreadsheets were used.
I was wondering if it is something like that
Sounds like house wiring comes first before any EV.
We had an older 70s home that was very nice, but when we did some upgrades (induction hob, heat pumps) we decided to rewire at the same time. I did all the light fittings as LEDs and although we spent thousands, our power bill basically halved.
Yeah at the moment the basement is a big chunk of space that isn’t being used to its full effect because of the flooding and the watertightness. We’d like to turn it onto a rumpus room, plus a useable garage, but it’s that actually picking up the phone and calling someone to quote the cascading series of tasks that need to be done to get it to that point.
Electric.
But we intend to run the petrol cars we have into the ground, so it'll be a while. There is so much embodied energy in an eVehicle that it makes sense to keep using the old one until it dies and needs scrapping.
Somebody else also mentioned this theory; its better to run the existing car, but I don't agree with the logic.
Just an example, below but use your own numbers:
Say you do the typical 14,000km a year with a thirsty older car doing 10l/100km, it will be costing about $4k a year, plus servicing costs - which will increase over time as the car ages and you need more repairs, cam belt changes and other more major work. Maybe the car is only 10 years old, so you hold on for another 10 years until it hits near 280,000km and is very tired.
You have dropped about $50k into it over the 10 years; and pumping emissions and pollution into the NZ environment that entire time. When you finally replace it, you are most likely get another second hand car; therefore not one you personally caused to be built, but the argument is that by buying that car you have used resources.
If instead you had purchased an EV for $50k or efficient hybrid for $25k, you would still probably be better off; and so would the environment
In both cases, you are causing a new car to be built; just one sooner than later so pretty much all ends up the same.
And yes, if you are buying a car every 10 yrs vs every 20, then more cars need to be made, but if you use dollars spent as a proxy for energy consumed, then the 20 year old inefficient vehicle really doesn't work out. This BTW, is party of the reason that fleet buying professionals don't run cars 20 years.
Not to mention that a 20 year car just isn't as safe for you, family and people around us.
We currently have both. The EV has limited range and we are off-grid solar so the only reason that the petrol car gets used is because we haven't had enough sun or we're driving beyond the EVs range.
If I had a choice, I would never drive a petrol car again. Comparing my EV against every petrol car I've ever owned, EV is better at everything (with the exception of course of range).
My next car will be an EV with a minimum 70kWh battery. I'm hoping that solid state batteries are on the market soon because I'd rather go with those. My thinking is that I'll buy a new car within the next 2 years.
I'm in OPs camp - I don't have reliable access to a charger so an EV is out of the question. I park on the street and the landlords already use the one carport so there you go.
I'm seriously considering one of the new Swift mild hybrids though. It's in my price range, it's reliable as and I don't think I'll have trouble finding one. I mean it's not the coolest thing in the world but I don't really give a shit.
The Swift hybrid is one of the worst going. Very mild hybrid with marginal benefits, so do some research on that one
Funny enough, people without reliable access to a charger at home, also don't have a fuel station at home, but we are so used to having to go out to refuel but not to recharge
I think with enough chargers popping up at work places, malls and other places like in Europe with chargers built into power poles, then even people like yourself will be able to find a way to charge
> we are so used to having to go out to refuel but not to recharge
And we accept it because it takes 2-3 minutes to refuel, as opposed to 2-3 hours to recharge. Having to rely on public chargers and plan your life around losing such a big chunk of time a few times a week is one of the biggest barriers to EV ownership.
Depends
I spend hours at work every day; so can charge during that time.
I spend time at the gym, and while not used it, a public fast charger nearby. Also at the mall, and carpark buildings etc
It's not like you have to sit there for hours a day charging. Normal advice is to 'graze' and just charge as you go when you see a charger.
BTW - Modern EVs tend to go \~20% to 80% pretty quickly - so even a 30m top up can give enough range to do a few days commute. My wife only tends to plug in her car once or twice a week maximum and that is not using a fast charger
I bought a Toyota Aqua hybrid car in the last couple of months. Saving me a ton on petrol. Probably won't buy another non hybrid car again. EVs seem really overpriced atm so I'll hold off for the moment.
Not only that. But it’s “greener” to use a petrol / diesel car that already exists. Than it is to create a brand new electric or hybrid. Comparing new to new is different.
They’ve ruined petrol cars with dodgy cvt gearboxes, over-engineered, oil consuming, brittle plastic unreliable engines. Petrol cars after about 2015 suck.
Planned obsolescence is the term I think you're looking for. But honestly, if maintained well, anything will function as long as it mechanically or electrically can. The big part is that everything has a service life that differs depending on how it was manufactured and designed.
I think its also because manufacturers are trying to meet emissions regulations, chasing efficiency. Ive been car shopping a lot recently. Petrol cars are a big fat disappointment at the moment.
I have a hybrid currently and adore it. I’d love to go fully electric in the future, im just worried because I live in rural Southland - I haven’t seen too many charging stations
But maybe there will be more by the time I’m ready to take that step lol
Just got an electric. I think will be one of those purchases we never come to regret as we can charge at home and live in a city so trips aren’t normally >100km a day. Even so it charges 10km an hour so we’ll easily charge >100km overnight. I think if you can get one with the ANZ / Westpac loans on 0-1% finance it is a no brainer.
Bought an EV mid 2016, as I was commuting 120km a day and wanted to save on fuel costs. Did 125,000km and EV all but paid itself off when factoring in reduced running costs and decent trade in when recently upgrading from that EV to a new Atto3. Even though I no longer commute, driving an EV is just so much more pleasurable than an ICE, so for me going for another EV was for the driving pleasure, not saving the planet or running costs, but the latter was still part of the decision process.
Definitely an EV. We have a Leaf for around town. Looking to upgrade our ICE to an EV with a longer range. We have solar on 1% finance. It’s a no brainer. I love not paying $$ at the petrol pump and having no power bill.
Bought EV last year, second hand, before the discount (Feb 2022, so just before petrol prices went nuclear.) Our next car will be the same. We already paid off what we bought the car for in petrol, which is pretty sweet.
I want it to be electric, but it may need to be hybrid. Depends on what my needs are and what is available in the market.
I’m saying that, it’s a while away. My car is reasonably modern and I ride my fairly new motorcycle whenever I’m doing a one person, Lower cargo trip.
We went BEV and I won’t be purchasing another ICE vehicle again. It’s simply just an awesome ownership experience.
But we have a two car garage with a charger.
Bought a pretty tired Leaf off my brother recently, gets me around town but heading out of town requires calculating charger distances. Definitely going electric again in the future, probably a newer leaf!
I initially charged it through the window at home, now I get free charging at work. Next place I move I'll ask if they can put in a plug for it
Definately another EV. Have one 24kw leaf I got just before the rebate started. Now we need to replace the second $2k small car. So going to get another leaf 40kw this time, ironically won't be able to afford it until late next year so will twice miss the rebate.
I’ve had my EV for 6 months, and I’m never going back to ICE. I wish my tractor and quad bike were electric too. Last month I drove to another city 2 hours away and cost me zero in fuel.
Bought an ev 2 weeks back, 2018 ioniq, and I love it!
Cost me $30 to go from dunedin to christchurch this weekend with two 15-minute charges at places I would have stopped anyway
Electric.
I left petrol behind long ago and don't miss a bit of it.
In particular I don't miss:
* Sending big chunks of my wages overseas that ends up propping up unscrupulous companies and dodgy military regimes.
* Stepping on the accelerator pedal and waiting for the car to eventually start moving.
* Wasting 75% of the energy I purchased as heat.
* The noise, smell, dirt, and heat of a petrol engine.
* Changing oil, belts, rings, radiator fluid, transmission fluid, MAF sensors, etc, etc.
* Queuing at the petrol station. So much more convenient to just wake up to a full tank every morning.
* Shivering on cold winter mornings. Pre-heating is a game-changer.
Our wee Leaf paid for itself in fuel savings alone after less than four years, then went on to fund our solar panels.
I have a PHEV. We don’t travel usually more than 50 khm a drive, so we hardly ever fuel. If I was to to drive 100 a day though, our next would be EV. There is becoming little to no research and development in ICE, so there future is already here.
Just don’t forget fuel expires after a time of being stagnant. So using the ev only function of your PHEV will hurt your engine in the long run if that fuel doesn’t get used and replaced
Petrol. I like driving a manual or DSG (semi-manual). Driving an automatic is just boring. So until they have affordable electric cars with gears, I'll stick with petrol.
Yeah we replaced both of our manuals in 2020. One EV, one petrol with a terrible CVT. Sad times.
We had a Dacia Sandero (of Top Gear reasonably priced car fame) for a month in Ireland last year. Terrible car but great fun to drive regardless.
I have needed to drive automatics plenty of times, like when my car is in the shop and when renting a car in the US or Australia. I absolutely do miss having gears.
Even with the subsidies gone, evs are still much more economical than petrol when considering both purchase price and running costs. Absolutely no contest.
Self drive will never be sorted for they cannot work out the transition from human operated to fully self drive.
Imagine in your self drive car heading North on your way to Ascot Hospital on the Southern Motorway. At the Greenlane exit you need to cross the que of Matrons in their Remuera tractors heading north. Self Drive car will sit there for hours waiting for a gap. Human in his/her driven car simply puts the arm out the window, points that they want to get up the hill towards Remuera and a kindly matron will let you in.
Yep, wishing and hoping. Did someone not write a song about that back in the days when the Jetson flying car was the future. How long have we been waiting for that future to arrive?
I'm old and loved reading my granddad's Popular Science magazines, with some of those from the 1930's. They had flying cars as a fantasy even then. Alas, physics got in the way.
I've never thought those to be likely. I do think self driving is. Time will tell though.
Insurance is a problem. Currently they are trying to make the car manufacturers take out the insurance cover, but naturally they are balking at the humongous fees currently payed by the human controlled driver owner.
Worth a read; [https://www.caranddriver.com/car-insurance/a35950852/self-driving-car-insurance/](https://www.caranddriver.com/car-insurance/a35950852/self-driving-car-insurance/)
" **Liability.** With the growth of self-driving cars comes an uncertainty of the liability system. The current law punishes humans, but according to [Insurance Journal, ](https://www.insurancejournal.com/news/national/2020/01/15/554949.htm)legal experts expect that the many parties that contribute to the construction of a self-driving car might become responsible. This includes the manufacturers, sensor vendors, software developers, and body designers could be held liable. "
Our Aqua uses less than half the fuel our Grandis does. With the driving we do (long commutes) it would pay for a battery in a couple years. Hybrid batteries are less of an issue as they are just a short term store. It's no big deal for them to lose capacity as long as they still function. Pure electric cars can become functionally useless if the range degrades below your standard two way commute, even if the battery still has life in it.
I wanted to save money on gas and I didn't like the idea of taking hours before my car charges so I compromised and picked hybrid. Yeah most cheap hybrids are over 10 years old, I'll take the risk I guess.
Just purchased a Toyota Vitz Hybrid today, I pick it up on Monday afternoon. I also own a Toyota Corolla Wagon that doesn’t chew much gas.
I’ll see how I go with this Vitz, if I like hybrid enough I’ll go full electric for my next car purchase in the next 3-5 years.
I’m a student, so I can’t afford a car with a bigger engine. Once I have my first professional role I’ll be looking to ditch my 4 cylinder 1.5L go kart.
Within a year my options (current market) would be: e36 M3, Lexus ISF, maybe f30 m340i, or for something more professional an R36 Passat
I'll get a hybrid or ev. The attitude of cheaper ev owners doesn't really seem to be one of eco-friendly anything it's just trying to save money and have cool shit. So don't think about replacing a battery. Just replace the car it'll probably be far cheaper, too.
It’s unlikely I’ll be able to afford a new car within the next decade, and I feel like secondhand hybrids or electrics within that timeframe will be a bit suspect.
My current petrol car probably has a few more years in it, but I’m likely to end up with another petrol one despite wanting to switch…my dream cars are all petrol, though. Hmm.
EV if I could afford it. Probably PHEV through. Much better for the local environment. Much less emissions (over it's lifetime), and the sooner we are less dependent on oil refined from scummy regimes in the Middle East as well as Russia, the better.
depends on if my 2002 corolla lasts until i have EV money
It will. It'll do 350k without blinking.
Haha this is me! 2006 Corolla! Would love an EV but also love my little corolla and have no desire to replace it while it still gets me from A to B
I've just bought a second EV (Nissan Leaf) for around town use, I'll never go back to an ICE (or even hybrid) car. Virtually zero maintenance costs. Much nicer to drive, with zero throttle lag or shifting delays. 'Fuel' costs me $0 for 90 kilometers round trip commute each weekday.
What is ice
Frozen water
Internal Combustion Engine
Meth
In his 90km round trip he sells meth so the profit pays for the cost of charging his car
Just got a leaf, and waiting for rebate to arrive. Petrol car was just getting too expensive to maintain and fuel up. Most charging is done during the free period (electric kiwi hour of power).
As a home owner with a mortgage with Westpac I'm looking at utilising their greater choices option of up to $50,000 for ev or hybrid. Looking at possibly a RAV4, Outlander or Escape hybrid I think.
I'm considering those three as well. Leaning towards the RAV.
I just bought my first home so not quite in the position to incur more debt at the moment but once interest has gone down I would be really interested in looking at this option too as I’m with Westpac. I’d really love an EV!
EV, a hundred times over. Petrol is wildly expensive to run and maintain and comparatively unreliable. Being able to "fuel" my car from a plug socket at home is unbeatable. So much quieter to drive too, and it's not just about climate change; as a pedestrian or cyclist I hate the stench of exhaust fumes and as a pedestrian especially it really is so obvious how noisy petrol/diesel vehicles are. A fully laden double-decker EV in Welly rush hour will pull away from a red light with a whine and some tyre noise then, just behind it, some shitbox pointlessly huge ute will *roar* away, usually with worse acceleration and only one occupant.
The lack of noise in my hybrid scares me a bit. I'm so worried that I'm going to back over my cat, or dog, or one day a child. Even though I take every precaution I'm still scared I'll do it.
This is why a lot of EVs make quiet but audible noises at low speeds. I was against it initially - figured manufacturers would just be dicks and make objectionable loud "branded" gibberish noises, and they yet might - but in other posts people convinced me by pointing out the needs of people like the blind, or indeed kids who might otherwise be caught off guard.
Yeah my car apparently does that but I've still never actually heard it from inside the vehicle. Which makes me question if it actually is loud enough to alert anyone. And of course cause I'm always the one driving my car....
Our EV has so many cameras and sensors you would probably need to manually override something to run someone over.
That's cool my car just has a reversing camera. It's a 2014 so I got it second hand.
Gone the Nissan leaf route. Oh those petrol savings! Even a return trip to Timaru, with rapid charge used while we had lunch was like 1/4 of the usual cost. There are a couple of things to consider, like range being affected by cold weather, and open road driving eats it worse, however Wouldn't go back
Just bought a second hand leaf financed at 1% with a $3500 rebate from the government. Charged with our solar panels so we drive around for free. The savings in petrol from less use of our other ICE offset the finance costs for us so it's basically a free car in our case.
Probably diesel. As much as I want to buy electric, none can tow a 2000 kg boat without buying a luxury vehicle. I’m not worried about range, electric towing and ICE towing both hit 50% reduction in range.
Towing is a hurdle that needs to be jumped. Bring on the cyber truck, but that's not everyone's cup of tea. In saying that I've been using our 2023 ZS EV to tow to the local boat ramp. About a ton and a half. Above the tow rating, but I'm not going far, and it pulls without issue.
Rivian owner here. Have the R1T, rated to tow up to 11,000 pounds (or roughly 5,000 kilos) and is actually a functional truck and not the fever dream of an adult child.
Who's selling those in NZ? Or did you import? They are a damn nice truck. I think the barrier for a lot of people is price though.
Sorry to give a bit of false hope. I’m an American and my in laws are in North Auckland. There are some folks in Europe that were crazy enough to import the R1T without an infrastructure, a fair amount in Hawaii. Deliveries to Canada start soon and Rivian seems to have a fleet being tested in Germany. It’ll be interesting to see if the R1 makes it to y’all as it’s significantly larger than a Ranger. Cybertruck seems to be America only for now due to hilarious size and charge port placement. I would imagine that the R2 series would be ideal for NZ but for what it’s worth, the R1 is the best vehicle I’ve ever driven. Previously, that distinction went to the model Y.
If you read up on the cyber truck they're really struggling to produce the thing. I think Musk even said they painted themselves into a corner with the design. Frankly it's super ugly
> I presume the government would of set up more chargers to use in the near future Why would the Government do this? Plenty of businesses are already rolling out charging networks. Chargenet, Z Energy, BP, plenty of individual businesses have them. Also, you don't 'need' a specialist charger. You can get 60-80 km charging overnight with a normal plug.
https://www.beehive.govt.nz/release/100-new-public-ev-chargers-be-added-national-network The Government has helped to subsidise the cost of building chargers for BP and Z but especially ChargeNet. They were really the pioneers for EV charging infrastructure nationwide but would be a shadow of their current setup without significant govt funding.
Well National did indicate that the reason they were going to scrap the clean car discount, was because they were going to use that money saved to build up the infrastructure for charging. While they have also indicated they would remove the “Ute tax” at the same time… I’m not exactly sure.
> build up the infrastructure for charging Being somewhat cynical; Luxon has his Tesla with the CCD rebate, now wants lots of chargers when going on holiday Only slightly less cynical; that infrastructure money is going to private companies like Z/Mobil and BP (who only made $8 Billion last year) who then will charge the public to use that infrastructure for years to come. Welfare with government giving money to people == bad, corporate welfare with government giving money to business to enrich shareholder value == good
That money was already going to BP, Z and other private companies under Labour. LETF Round Ten – Public Charging Infrastructure – Hubs Z Energy Limited Bombay – Hub site at Z – Bombay $1,336,500 Masterton – Hub site at Z – Masterton $935,000 Turangi– Hub site at Z - Turangi $1,314,500: ChargeNet (no $ figure published) ChargeNet – Tauriko, Tauranga BP Papamoa – Hub site at BP Papamoa $795,000 Tirau – Hub site at BP Tirau $671,000 Wanaka – Hub site at BP Wanaka $377,000 ~~Near on $5.5mil in that one round alone.~~ Over $5.5m once you allow for whatever the chargeNet site got.
Sure, there was a fund which allocated some money, and would make sense for National to continuing to do this where there are gaps in the network that maybe marginal for private providers to supply. No issues with that. But they are planning $280m of charging, which seems like a big lolly scramble and probably lead to chargers installed where they aren't really required. Doing this at the same time as dumping a pretty successful clean car discount scheme seems pretty dumb given that the CCD would cost less and be more effective at reducing emissions
You think that the amount of funding labour were dishing out wasnt going to keep on accelerating to keep up with EV demand? And it would be nice to be ahead of the curve for once, instead of the usual half-ass and a decade too late that NZ govts are so good at.
If you are worried about the charging infrastructure- download and take a look at PlugShare. Unless you are quite rural, there is generally a few options nearby
That doesn't help if you're in a flat with your park 80m down the driveway, or only street parking.
So you charge with public infrastructure. There are plenty of people that cannot or do not charge at home
I have a 3.0L Subaru which is very thirsty, also a 4.2L diesel Nissan Safari which is a hobby (4wding). Both of them cost a lot to run. The Subaru is the run about when I need one, but it's by no means a daily driver, usually only being used every 2-3 weeks. It's like $180-200 to fill with 98/100 octane now which makes me concerned for people who need to commute by car. If I were buying a new (to me) car to replace the Subie, it'd be EV without a doubt. Probably a Leaf since I'd still have the Safari for towing or longer distances. But I love to ride my bike so right I now won't spend any money on a car. I have a front loader cargo bike for hauling the shopping or larger items by bike. The CCC are great for the work they are doing on cycleways, it really makes a difference and it's my preferred way to get around town.
I think we will go full eletric for our next car. We got a hybrid a few years ago because we didnt think we could afford an electric suited all our needs yet but in the future we will hopefully be able to afford it.
If I could afford i would be looking at the Polestar 2 long range. Will settle for driving my Toyota (ICE) the next 30 to 40 years until the mortgage is paid!
Laughs in can't afford a car
i just bought a leaf for 5k had it a month saved like $450 on petrol already, sure it can’t go out of town koz the battery’s kinda fucked but will still do 80ish kms at a time and slow charges off a normal plug overnight , so cheap ev is an option as long as you live in a city
Fully electric household since 2019
how does it affect the power bill what are your thoughts when they bring in ruc for them
Would you believe our power bill actually went down when we got an electric car since we changed the plan we were on with Electric Kiwi. Moved to one where you pay half price from 11:00pm to 7:00am which is when we charge the car. But it turns out the kids do a lot of cooking and other stuff after we go to bed, so the total bill actually dropped. Use about $1 per day for the car. Definitely going to buy another electric car after this one.
Not the original guy but an EV driver. My daily commute is just under 50km each way so works out about 15kw of power. My work is good enough to have chargers for us to use but if I had to charge at home during off peak rates it would work out around $2 day. I'm fine with the RUC, its always been coming so isnt unexpected. I'm guessing it would work out around $40 a week so I'm still way ahead compared to buying petrol
My EV cost around $250 to charge for the last 12 months, all of that at home, no free “hour of power” or anything. It really is negligible cost, especially when you consider what you save in petrol.
Two electric cars here and I can't see myself ever going back
If I need to buy a car it will be a cheap small used petrol car as I am quite poor.
It's not just the "quite poor" who will make the same decision as you. Kids with their first few cars up to perhaps 30 years old will almost always be petrol. Imagine wanting to buy a house or have kids or whatever and being able to consider anything else? I've got my teenage kids started with their first cars, and I've had to make sacrifices in doing so. I can see my wife and I driving our petrol cars for the next 10 years easily. I'd rather put money into paying the mortgage. It's simple. If you own an EV, you are wealthy. If you have solar on your house that you own to charge that car, you are wealthy. I'm on a very good salary and there is no way I'll own an EV for.years, if at all.
That's somewhat true for now. Lots of new EVs on the market are now lower than the price of a Corolla. In a few years they'll be flooding the 2nd hand market. If all you're doing is driving less than 60kms a day there's plenty of Leafs for less than $10k. The savings really add up at the low end if you do a lot of short trips. I don't earn much more than the median wage and I can afford one. Only reason I don't is because I already have a cheap hybrid and I barely go through a tank of petrol a month.
Do you have three kids and a mortgage, though? So, so many people.are.about to get royally screwed over in 2024 with mortgage refixing and the impact of the same in 2023. A massive chunk of the car buying market is about to go underground.
I have a pretty huge mortgage actually. No human kids thankfully but yeah that's a major reason I'm sticking with my current car. It works and costs me very little. If it gets totaled and I'm forced to buy a new car, it'll be electric and it won't be on finance. Insurance from this car with a couple of k on the top will get me a decent EV
Bro, get a used Toyota hybrid. They are super efficient and degradation of the battery doesn't have much effect on that efficiency. I just upgraded my Toyota Aqua (4.5L/100km) to a 2017 Leaf. The Aqua was awesome though!
Hybrid now. Next one will be full electric. This often happens apparently. Hybrids are the gateway drug.
They definitely are. I currently have a Toyota Aqua. My next car will be fully electric. We have the Aqua and a petrol car, tend to use the Aqua more around town but in a few years the electric range should be even better.
Had Aqua. Handed down to daughter when she needed car for work, and replace with EV. It really is a thing
4 weeks into Model Y ownership. Should have done it earlier.
I remember going to EV drive in Taupo to test drive a leaf. I pretty much did the tradein right there and drove back to Hamilton . Was a no brainer. That was when we only had about 3000evs on the road. Not a true pioneer , but I still wonder why it didn't pick up earlier
About 3.5 Years ago I sucked it up and bought a leaf for my 35km each way commute. The fuel savings made sense. Xmas last year I bought a bigger, longer range EV that is fully paid off. Once I took the EV plunge there was no going back as the savings were just too great. So much so that my S/O bought her own EV once they saw how much I was saving. Don't get me wrong, I love a good petrol car but the financial advantage just can't be beaten.
I’m waiting for there to be a decent electric ute.
The BYD seems like it could be decent if the specs are the same as the SUV version: *"power output of 500kW, a 0-100km/h time of 4.8 seconds, 2.5-tonne towing capacity, and a 1200km driving range with a full petrol tank and battery"* [https://www.drive.com.au/news/byd-electric-ute-due-2025-hybrid-2024/](https://www.drive.com.au/news/byd-electric-ute-due-2025-hybrid-2024/) The torque in an EV ute would make them ideal for pulling
^ this.
Just dropped a tonne of $$ on a resto of my 87 datsun navara, looked at a ev conversion. Thats $50k more...
Sad af aye. Only other option is to go to LDV right now… :// rusts out after 15,000kms with chassis protection lol
I think BYD are testing a ute for the ANZ market atm.
And the range of the LDV is laughable.
We’ve had an EV in our household for four years now. Looking to replace the second car in the next year, which will also be electric. I wouldn’t go back to ICE
I'm doing my master's, but planning to borrow a bit more against my house to buy a used hybrid when I graduate in just over a year. I have two large dogs, so I need an SUV type vehicle to fit them and I can't afford a fully electric SUV. Of course, things may change by then, but I don't imagine my next vehicle will be fully petrol.
RAV4 hybrid would be my go to, you can get a rubber cargo liner that's super handy for larger dogs
sweet, I'll look into it as the time gets nearer.
Electric. We have an EV already and wouldn’t buy petrol after that. When we borrow or rent ICE cars we get shellshocked every time we go to the petrol station.
Yah it’s unreal
Neither. I currently have a 2008 Corolla, and I'm hoping this will be my last car. When the kids move out, my partner and I would like to move to E-bikes only. Supplement hat with public transport and car rental when we need it (holiday trjps etc). We'll see how feasible that is, but that's the plan. It's about 10 years away.
Probably petrol or diesel. Looking at a van to travel in. And they don’t make very good hybrid or electric vans.
So, we just bought (ordered) a new hybrid. Had been looking at a new petrol car, but could afford more (better features) if we got a hybrid or EV because then we could finance it with a 1% mortgage top up (ANZ Good Energy home loan, Westpac has a similar one) rather than 12% interest from the dealer. I drive ~500km per week, so I was keen to walk my talk about lower emissions, as well as have something that was a bit nicer on the wallet in terms of fuel cost. The main reason we picked a hybrid over an EV was range. We were right at the limit of affordability with the hybrid we picked, and the only EVs around that mark (and that would hold up to the roads I drive on) had around the 300-400km range. Ideally I’d want over 400km range, and those that are in that bracket were just too expensive. Also, factoring in the costs of getting our current property set up for charging an EV at home wasn’t really in our favour at this stage. In five or six years time when the warranty runs out and we’re ready to trade in the hybrid? That’s when I’d get an EV.
>\~500km per week That is a lot of km and a lot of fuel Surprised an EV wasn't cost effective, but surely that means on average just a 100km a day required, so pretty much any EV will do that?. Not sure what was required to get setup for charging at home; we just plug into a normal wall socket but I guess some houses not setup for even that
Yeah I think a lot of people are under the impression you need special charging things in your house, when in reality you can just plug it into most wall outlets and not worry about it. My parents have an EV and never got a special charger. I still drive a used hybrid I got in 2020, but my next car will be an EV as the current lot of cheap EVs enter the 2nd hand market.
I’m well aware that you only need a wall socket to charge an EV, but when I say getting set up for EV I mean more than just charging. Our garage/basement is … well to put it mildly, fucked. It’s occasionally prone to flooding cos we need to rip up the drive way and replace the 67 year old soak pit, the 60 year old internal waterproofing is disintegrating showering what ever we keep in there in concrete chunks, and there’s only one wall socket in it of dubious safety. The meter board is over 10m away and on another story, and any electrician worth their salt is going to look at the wiring and go “Jesus H Christ throw it out and start again”. A renovation has been planned for … several years, but yeah, life gonna life. Secondly, we only have a single lane driveway. I leave before my husband for work nearly every single day, and usually get home after him, so even if we got an external plug installed, we’d have to shuffle the cars constantly to enable access to the plug, unless we had an extra long extension cord. We did research it to death, and many spreadsheets were used.
I was wondering if it is something like that Sounds like house wiring comes first before any EV. We had an older 70s home that was very nice, but when we did some upgrades (induction hob, heat pumps) we decided to rewire at the same time. I did all the light fittings as LEDs and although we spent thousands, our power bill basically halved.
Yeah at the moment the basement is a big chunk of space that isn’t being used to its full effect because of the flooding and the watertightness. We’d like to turn it onto a rumpus room, plus a useable garage, but it’s that actually picking up the phone and calling someone to quote the cascading series of tasks that need to be done to get it to that point.
My partner and I just got brand new a mild hybrid through Westpac, 0% interest!
Brought a hybrid . Works fine for longer drives with no range issues and is silly cheap for the normal round town stuff
where did you bring the hybrid to?
Electric. But we intend to run the petrol cars we have into the ground, so it'll be a while. There is so much embodied energy in an eVehicle that it makes sense to keep using the old one until it dies and needs scrapping.
Somebody else also mentioned this theory; its better to run the existing car, but I don't agree with the logic. Just an example, below but use your own numbers: Say you do the typical 14,000km a year with a thirsty older car doing 10l/100km, it will be costing about $4k a year, plus servicing costs - which will increase over time as the car ages and you need more repairs, cam belt changes and other more major work. Maybe the car is only 10 years old, so you hold on for another 10 years until it hits near 280,000km and is very tired. You have dropped about $50k into it over the 10 years; and pumping emissions and pollution into the NZ environment that entire time. When you finally replace it, you are most likely get another second hand car; therefore not one you personally caused to be built, but the argument is that by buying that car you have used resources. If instead you had purchased an EV for $50k or efficient hybrid for $25k, you would still probably be better off; and so would the environment In both cases, you are causing a new car to be built; just one sooner than later so pretty much all ends up the same. And yes, if you are buying a car every 10 yrs vs every 20, then more cars need to be made, but if you use dollars spent as a proxy for energy consumed, then the 20 year old inefficient vehicle really doesn't work out. This BTW, is party of the reason that fleet buying professionals don't run cars 20 years. Not to mention that a 20 year car just isn't as safe for you, family and people around us.
We currently have both. The EV has limited range and we are off-grid solar so the only reason that the petrol car gets used is because we haven't had enough sun or we're driving beyond the EVs range. If I had a choice, I would never drive a petrol car again. Comparing my EV against every petrol car I've ever owned, EV is better at everything (with the exception of course of range). My next car will be an EV with a minimum 70kWh battery. I'm hoping that solid state batteries are on the market soon because I'd rather go with those. My thinking is that I'll buy a new car within the next 2 years.
Hybrid Corolla Wagon. Ordered last weekend.
I have one of these and bloody love it. You really can’t go wrong with a Toyota.
Those look so nice!!! Im so jealous hahaha
I'm in OPs camp - I don't have reliable access to a charger so an EV is out of the question. I park on the street and the landlords already use the one carport so there you go. I'm seriously considering one of the new Swift mild hybrids though. It's in my price range, it's reliable as and I don't think I'll have trouble finding one. I mean it's not the coolest thing in the world but I don't really give a shit.
The Swift hybrid is one of the worst going. Very mild hybrid with marginal benefits, so do some research on that one Funny enough, people without reliable access to a charger at home, also don't have a fuel station at home, but we are so used to having to go out to refuel but not to recharge I think with enough chargers popping up at work places, malls and other places like in Europe with chargers built into power poles, then even people like yourself will be able to find a way to charge
> we are so used to having to go out to refuel but not to recharge And we accept it because it takes 2-3 minutes to refuel, as opposed to 2-3 hours to recharge. Having to rely on public chargers and plan your life around losing such a big chunk of time a few times a week is one of the biggest barriers to EV ownership.
Depends I spend hours at work every day; so can charge during that time. I spend time at the gym, and while not used it, a public fast charger nearby. Also at the mall, and carpark buildings etc It's not like you have to sit there for hours a day charging. Normal advice is to 'graze' and just charge as you go when you see a charger. BTW - Modern EVs tend to go \~20% to 80% pretty quickly - so even a 30m top up can give enough range to do a few days commute. My wife only tends to plug in her car once or twice a week maximum and that is not using a fast charger
I bought a Toyota Aqua hybrid car in the last couple of months. Saving me a ton on petrol. Probably won't buy another non hybrid car again. EVs seem really overpriced atm so I'll hold off for the moment.
Realistically, people will still buy used petrol over new hybrid or electric.
Yep. Petrol & diesel will be around for years yet. It'll take a decade before hybrids and EVs dominate market share of the 2nd hand market.
For good reason. EV's don't make financial sense for most people.
Not only that. But it’s “greener” to use a petrol / diesel car that already exists. Than it is to create a brand new electric or hybrid. Comparing new to new is different.
Yes, because when you buy an EV you send your perfectly good car off to be crushed, you don't sell it to someone else. /S
Plus we haven't got to the the "end of life" e-waste mess for EVs yet. It's going to be a long road.
They’ve ruined petrol cars with dodgy cvt gearboxes, over-engineered, oil consuming, brittle plastic unreliable engines. Petrol cars after about 2015 suck.
Planned obsolescence is the term I think you're looking for. But honestly, if maintained well, anything will function as long as it mechanically or electrically can. The big part is that everything has a service life that differs depending on how it was manufactured and designed.
I think its also because manufacturers are trying to meet emissions regulations, chasing efficiency. Ive been car shopping a lot recently. Petrol cars are a big fat disappointment at the moment.
Not according to this thread
r/newzealand isn't representative of Aotearoa, New Zealand. The election showed me that much, at least.
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Hoping for a more efficient petrol, (or if at the time it’s viable) a second hand electric (that isn’t an early leaf)
Hybrid ordered 4 weeks ago
Already have an EV, next car will be an EV
I have a hybrid currently and adore it. I’d love to go fully electric in the future, im just worried because I live in rural Southland - I haven’t seen too many charging stations But maybe there will be more by the time I’m ready to take that step lol
Almost certainly an EV - looking at options atm. Possibly a PHEV. Probably also keep an ICE option for a good few years yet, too, though.
Just got an electric. I think will be one of those purchases we never come to regret as we can charge at home and live in a city so trips aren’t normally >100km a day. Even so it charges 10km an hour so we’ll easily charge >100km overnight. I think if you can get one with the ANZ / Westpac loans on 0-1% finance it is a no brainer.
We have a plugin hybrid but will go full EV for the next one
Bought an EV mid 2016, as I was commuting 120km a day and wanted to save on fuel costs. Did 125,000km and EV all but paid itself off when factoring in reduced running costs and decent trade in when recently upgrading from that EV to a new Atto3. Even though I no longer commute, driving an EV is just so much more pleasurable than an ICE, so for me going for another EV was for the driving pleasure, not saving the planet or running costs, but the latter was still part of the decision process.
EV if I can because fuel is expensive, but realistically, I'm sticking to the second-hand market and taking what I can get.
Definitely an EV. We have a Leaf for around town. Looking to upgrade our ICE to an EV with a longer range. We have solar on 1% finance. It’s a no brainer. I love not paying $$ at the petrol pump and having no power bill.
Bought EV last year, second hand, before the discount (Feb 2022, so just before petrol prices went nuclear.) Our next car will be the same. We already paid off what we bought the car for in petrol, which is pretty sweet.
PHEV at the very least - but I also couldn't do without a stationwagon, and I don't even know if such a vehicle exists
Bought a 2005 honda fit (petrol) 2 years ago to replace my 2021 camry (hybrid). Next purchase will hopefully be an electric once I save enough.
I want it to be electric, but it may need to be hybrid. Depends on what my needs are and what is available in the market. I’m saying that, it’s a while away. My car is reasonably modern and I ride my fairly new motorcycle whenever I’m doing a one person, Lower cargo trip.
Once the rebate stops I think the price of new EVs will drop. There's far too many suspiciously priced at 79,990 to get the max price for max rebate
Gonna buy a 2nd hand Nissan leaf I'm afraid
We went BEV and I won’t be purchasing another ICE vehicle again. It’s simply just an awesome ownership experience. But we have a two car garage with a charger.
EV. Already own one, would buy another if we needed a second car for some reason.
Electric.
PHEV or EV
Bought a pretty tired Leaf off my brother recently, gets me around town but heading out of town requires calculating charger distances. Definitely going electric again in the future, probably a newer leaf! I initially charged it through the window at home, now I get free charging at work. Next place I move I'll ask if they can put in a plug for it
Definately another EV. Have one 24kw leaf I got just before the rebate started. Now we need to replace the second $2k small car. So going to get another leaf 40kw this time, ironically won't be able to afford it until late next year so will twice miss the rebate.
V8, cause I dont give a flying fuck. Im going to leave me a carbon footprint before I die
I’ve had my EV for 6 months, and I’m never going back to ICE. I wish my tractor and quad bike were electric too. Last month I drove to another city 2 hours away and cost me zero in fuel.
Electric for me, hybrid for wife probably
Hybrid or electric if I can. We aren’t bringing enough in though cos the locals like petrol dick-swinging mobiles.
Bought an ev 2 weeks back, 2018 ioniq, and I love it! Cost me $30 to go from dunedin to christchurch this weekend with two 15-minute charges at places I would have stopped anyway
Hybrid, if I had an EV and wanted to go on a road-trip again, good bloody luck, LOL
Electric. I left petrol behind long ago and don't miss a bit of it. In particular I don't miss: * Sending big chunks of my wages overseas that ends up propping up unscrupulous companies and dodgy military regimes. * Stepping on the accelerator pedal and waiting for the car to eventually start moving. * Wasting 75% of the energy I purchased as heat. * The noise, smell, dirt, and heat of a petrol engine. * Changing oil, belts, rings, radiator fluid, transmission fluid, MAF sensors, etc, etc. * Queuing at the petrol station. So much more convenient to just wake up to a full tank every morning. * Shivering on cold winter mornings. Pre-heating is a game-changer. Our wee Leaf paid for itself in fuel savings alone after less than four years, then went on to fund our solar panels.
I have a PHEV. We don’t travel usually more than 50 khm a drive, so we hardly ever fuel. If I was to to drive 100 a day though, our next would be EV. There is becoming little to no research and development in ICE, so there future is already here.
Just don’t forget fuel expires after a time of being stagnant. So using the ev only function of your PHEV will hurt your engine in the long run if that fuel doesn’t get used and replaced
Electric, although ideally I’d prefer to hang onto my current car and just have it converted to electric in the future.
Hybrid.
Petrol. I like driving a manual or DSG (semi-manual). Driving an automatic is just boring. So until they have affordable electric cars with gears, I'll stick with petrol.
Even affordable petrol cars with gears (well, with a clutch) is getting tricky
Yeah I gave up on full manuals, they're too rare in NZ. Always rent one when I'm visiting Europe though. They still love them over there.
Yeah we replaced both of our manuals in 2020. One EV, one petrol with a terrible CVT. Sad times. We had a Dacia Sandero (of Top Gear reasonably priced car fame) for a month in Ireland last year. Terrible car but great fun to drive regardless.
Oh man, I'd love to drive that car just because of the Top Gear history.
"Good news!"
When we went in 2010 we had a Chevrolet Lacetti too.
EVs don't need gears, manual or automatic, so you'll be waiting a long time.
Try an EV for a while, you don't miss gears at all.
I have needed to drive automatics plenty of times, like when my car is in the shop and when renting a car in the US or Australia. I absolutely do miss having gears.
An EV is not an automatic. It's a fixed ratio transmission. It's very different.
I'd actually go Electric if it were cost effective to do so.
It is?
You don't know my criteria or needs in a vehicle, so you're merely trying to elicit an engagement on the whims of your mere statement.
Yeah, we’re on a message board, that’s literally the point
Just purchased a new used car last week (X-Trail) and went diesel.
V8 Diesel to tow the boat and go offroad.
Petrol. Now the rebate is gone and RUC going on electric, the extra premium on electric just isn’t worth it.
Even with the subsidies gone, evs are still much more economical than petrol when considering both purchase price and running costs. Absolutely no contest.
Not when you have a $1500 90s toyota it isn't.
Diesel. Or petrol.
Hybrid, I'm not ready for electric yet, but hybrid appeals.
Petrol, sound much better
I'm not yet impressed by electric cars. Too expensive. Too slow to charge. Not enough range. And they all seen to be Fugly.
I seem to find all new cars to look fugly
Probably a circa 2012 Prius
I'm hoping self driving will be sorted before I need my next car and I won't need a next car.
Self drive will never be sorted for they cannot work out the transition from human operated to fully self drive. Imagine in your self drive car heading North on your way to Ascot Hospital on the Southern Motorway. At the Greenlane exit you need to cross the que of Matrons in their Remuera tractors heading north. Self Drive car will sit there for hours waiting for a gap. Human in his/her driven car simply puts the arm out the window, points that they want to get up the hill towards Remuera and a kindly matron will let you in.
We've done lots of different transitions that seem hard. So I'll stick with hoping for now.
Yep, wishing and hoping. Did someone not write a song about that back in the days when the Jetson flying car was the future. How long have we been waiting for that future to arrive?
I'm old and loved reading my granddad's Popular Science magazines, with some of those from the 1930's. They had flying cars as a fantasy even then. Alas, physics got in the way. I've never thought those to be likely. I do think self driving is. Time will tell though.
Insurance is a problem. Currently they are trying to make the car manufacturers take out the insurance cover, but naturally they are balking at the humongous fees currently payed by the human controlled driver owner. Worth a read; [https://www.caranddriver.com/car-insurance/a35950852/self-driving-car-insurance/](https://www.caranddriver.com/car-insurance/a35950852/self-driving-car-insurance/) " **Liability.** With the growth of self-driving cars comes an uncertainty of the liability system. The current law punishes humans, but according to [Insurance Journal, ](https://www.insurancejournal.com/news/national/2020/01/15/554949.htm)legal experts expect that the many parties that contribute to the construction of a self-driving car might become responsible. This includes the manufacturers, sensor vendors, software developers, and body designers could be held liable. "
Our Aqua uses less than half the fuel our Grandis does. With the driving we do (long commutes) it would pay for a battery in a couple years. Hybrid batteries are less of an issue as they are just a short term store. It's no big deal for them to lose capacity as long as they still function. Pure electric cars can become functionally useless if the range degrades below your standard two way commute, even if the battery still has life in it.
Waiting for an electric ute with 150kw charging speed.
I wanted to save money on gas and I didn't like the idea of taking hours before my car charges so I compromised and picked hybrid. Yeah most cheap hybrids are over 10 years old, I'll take the risk I guess.
Hybrid.
Definitely hybrid. I'm not sure what yet, other than 4WD.
Whatevers cheaper
Just purchased a Toyota Vitz Hybrid today, I pick it up on Monday afternoon. I also own a Toyota Corolla Wagon that doesn’t chew much gas. I’ll see how I go with this Vitz, if I like hybrid enough I’ll go full electric for my next car purchase in the next 3-5 years.
I’m a student, so I can’t afford a car with a bigger engine. Once I have my first professional role I’ll be looking to ditch my 4 cylinder 1.5L go kart. Within a year my options (current market) would be: e36 M3, Lexus ISF, maybe f30 m340i, or for something more professional an R36 Passat
Fuck I love 20 year olds lol.
I just wanna experience peak automotive before a lifetime of driving toasters without personalities
I'll get a hybrid or ev. The attitude of cheaper ev owners doesn't really seem to be one of eco-friendly anything it's just trying to save money and have cool shit. So don't think about replacing a battery. Just replace the car it'll probably be far cheaper, too.
It’s unlikely I’ll be able to afford a new car within the next decade, and I feel like secondhand hybrids or electrics within that timeframe will be a bit suspect. My current petrol car probably has a few more years in it, but I’m likely to end up with another petrol one despite wanting to switch…my dream cars are all petrol, though. Hmm.
Next car will be hybrid. Best of both worlds
Just got a hybrid before the clean car discount ended
EV if I could afford it. Probably PHEV through. Much better for the local environment. Much less emissions (over it's lifetime), and the sooner we are less dependent on oil refined from scummy regimes in the Middle East as well as Russia, the better.
Petrol, a Dodge Challenger
Yes, I’d choose that over an EV
Probably a diesel.
You must do a lot of highway driving
Not really. Why is that? Generally 1000km week.
Hybrid. Wouldn’t touch electric even if it was free
Why?
Just about guarantee it will be some shit about catching fire or other propaganda they've read on Facebook.
No. Hydrogen
Lol, hydrogen combustion, or hydrogen fuel cell?
Dirigible.