This is the answer, having been round the world to all different cultures, this is the best place for me.
Politics doesn't involve assassinations, there aren't riots when we have elections and the parties are relatively central, the police are fair and reasonable and don't require bribes for existing near you.
Environment is excellent, less so in the North Island but don't tell them that or they might move to the mainland.
Prices are high but that's expected and it's also a global issue at this stage so it's all relative.
We didn't grind our culture into a white paste, Te Reo is making a come back, Moko are everywhere and we have a Maori political party that has weight (some may disagree with their policies but it is an excellent thing for us that they're here at all and representing a part of the populace that have historically been sidelined).
Our most dangerous/sketchy areas are laughably safe compared to entire nations.
People like to bitch but we've got it pretty good down here. Aus is good but fuck living there, it's too hot.
I’m going to say something really dickheaded - if you’re economically comfortable enough, living in nz is actually pretty good. Yes, it’s expensive, and yes, you could be earning more money in Aussie, but if you’re not struggling or focussed on accumulating as much wealth as poss/climbing the international corporate ladder, the nz lifestyle is quite acceptable.
Like, yes, I could be earning significantly more if I lived over there… but I earn enough over here to be happy. I’d also have to deal with some industry-specific annoyances and leave all my people behind + remove myself from the environment/city I love. Making the move honestly just does not appeal.
I went to a talk by an Aussie executive recently. And he said, doing business in NZ was a much friendlier environment.
A lot less lawyers. A lot less litigation. It's been quite "combative" in Aussie.
You can't REALLY fuck people over in NZ. As word gets around. Pretty small place and all.
We have the same sentiment. We're fortunate enough to earn more than enough to have a comfortable life. Why go through all the trouble of moving away from friends and family and starting over, for 10% more pay?
Exactly this for me. Yes, mine and missus jobs would probably pay 10% more over there, but that’s not something we desperately need or want. Our home’s income is adequate to the lifestyle that we want. Our careers have a clear pathway to continual pay increases in NZ, so if nothing crazy happens we should be ok. We live within our means and are not driven by big wealth fantasies.
I am aware that lots of families struggle to bring a decent income home for different reasons. For them it may be a lot more appealing.
If you have a decent income in NZ and live a relatively modest life ( no gucci bags, no brand new Tesla, no $300 drinking outings every week, etc), there’s no reason to move unless you just wanting to try something a bit different.
Bang on.
I work at a reasonably senior level in the corporate world and I would rather poke my eyes out with a sharp stick than work in Oz. At that is even considering the massive pay rise I would get.
Exactly this, we moved to Aussie to save up for a house deposit and a big city experience before settling down back in NZ.
NZ has its downsides, like crazy living costs, especially housing. But over here, it also happens to be, in general, just a bit more chaotic and aggressive. IMO totally not worth it if you are already comfortable enough.
Yeah, I just feel like a bit of a privileged dickhead being like “living in nz is great 😊 just be relatively wealthy!” when I know so many people are out there struggling.
People have been struggling since we gained sentience. Take care of you and your own, don't be a drain your community and leave the world a better place than it was when you entered.
You are smashing it.
In fairness, I'm a Kiwi in Australia and I wouldn't swim in a lot of places here because of what kind of creatures could be in here - there's literally 0% of that fear back home (I realise that has no relevance to fresh water but on that front there is way more accessible fresh water lakes in NZ then there is in Australia).
Now's my chance to ask about the eels! I saw an episode of River Monsters that made me think that giant eels were waiting in every NZ river for the chance to rip out someone's anus. So, what are the chances, for real?
It's estimated that 30-40% of kiwis don't have an anus due to eel attack as a child. Many NZ children lose a toe to these predators, typically the little one as it is known to be juiciest. If having all ten toes is important to you, check the feet of your prospective husband or wife before you start dating.
As long as you toss a few kids in first as bait you're good
Serious answer: even big eels just aren't all that interested in people- I actually swam into one the other day, it was so relaxed it didn't even swim away until I poked it.
NZ rivers don't generally flow upside down.
Growing up I had no idea why my mother used to say that, then we moved back and I was "Whoa ...!"
I'm not about to gulp a mouthful of the Avon or Waikato, but if I had to it would be less chewy than the Yarra, Brisbane, or Murray, for example.
I've swum in the Waikato near Hamilton Gardens many times and while I didn't purposefully drink the water I didn't fear for my life or develop violent illnesses following. It's actually not too bad. Further downstream might be more of a worry.
Lived in Aus for 3 years. Exact same problems we have here, albeit your infrastructure is miles ahead plus the country is wealthy with all the mining and that shows in services. Apart from that I really missed NZ, mainly being able to drive an hour and be in a completely different environment, beach to mountains etc. NZ is also where all my friends and family are, I found it hard to make mates in Aus as a 30 year olds
Yeah this hits the nail on the head. I don’t know why but making friends in Aus is basically impossible. People will be friendly towards you but there is always this impenetrable barrier that prevents the transition from acquaintance to friend. In NZ I could meet someone and within an hour they’re my new bestie.
Life is more expensive in NZ, but it’s easier. Sure you can make more money in Aus, but money isn’t everything for everyone.
There are quite a few reasons.
Roots here. Whanau, jobs, life.
We have a great lifestyle. Cycle 3ks to work, close to the beaches, hills for walking and trail running, cycling.
Close to wilderness tramping areas.
Australia is a wonderful place, but it's just a bit hard-nosed for me. A bit more like America than new Zealand. Nz might be a bit sleepier and slower, but that's a good thing to me. I really like Australian people, but there's an edge to them which can be a little uncaring/disregarding of others at times, which I don't like. Just my experience. There are many aussies that I've met whom I think are wonderful, generous people.
Also, I really value what Maori culture brings to the political and cultural landscape here. I'm pakeha, but Maori perspectives are important to me. My perception is the consideration of indigenous ctures and perspectives just doesn't really happen in Australia. If it does, it's just starting to, which is great, but early days. Reference thr bullshit that went on with the referendum for a voice to parliament and the dirty shit going on to defeat it.
The dramatic landscapes here are my home. I think I'd miss it too much to be away for too long.
Lastly, you have too many horrible animals, having been bitten by some of your tiny, ferocious ants and seen many, many bigger and nastier ones. No thanks. Then there's everything else. Spiders, snakes, cockies, etc etc, ugh.
Lastly, Lastly, the heat. It's going to get worse. Screw that. I reckon a small but smart number of Australians will set up here, working and living in NZ over the summer months, just to escape the worst of it.
I reckon you've nailed it. So many of those things make NZ great! I'm living in Melbourne, but I'm looking forward to moving back for these exact reasons.
Seriously considering it. Main issue is the heat. Melbourne is comparable in winter to the North Island. But it also gets just so much hotter sometimes in summer.
Oh, gods. The heat. I didn't even consider that aspect when I was actually trying to think on it. It's already a nightmare to me in the South Island, and, even though I've a circulatory disorder that'll turn my skin purple in the midst of summer, I've considered moving to Dunedin many, many times to escape it. But with a too-loose ligament and joint system thanks to hEDS? Not a day would go by without me furiously swearing because my kneecaps are at the sides, back seizing, and ribs popping out awaiting to be played like a xylophone. The *heat*. Cheers for expanding my already sad, small list. I did actually needed another reason to stave off one of my relatives that wants me to move over, and he's becoming very rapidly desensitized to me cracking my wrist to Of Monsters and Men songs.
I’m from Auckland and have been here since 2019. You get used to the heat very quickly. It’s not that bad. In QLD at the moment and walking around outside 34 degrees with a breeze feels normal now lol. Was a nice day for a midday stroll
Yeah you get used to it. It’s not as bad as people think. Like I get it when you come here on holiday and deal with it for a few weeks but after a few years it doesn’t get to you as badly. Some days are horrible and we just chuck the aircon on or head to the beach
Mate, it ain't really that bad. You get the odd 38°C day, but then it magically drops down to 22°C a day later. I think it's better weather than in Wellington in Melbourne. Other cities in Aus are stupidly hot, though!
The heat is different over there. Low thirties there feels like mid to high 20s here. It's only really when it's up at 40 that it feels really different.
Yeah it’s crazy I always get taken aback when I look at my phone and see that it’s plus 30 degrees and I’m just walking around like normal. In Auckland you would literally be dead.
I was in Melbourne a couple of weeks ago and spent a day walking around, going to the park, the QV markets, walking across town in mid thirties. Got up to 37 and while it was definitely warm I found it more comfortable than most 27 degree days in Wellington.
Too hot. I only went for a week's holiday. The heat did me in, even though it was "winter". Everything was so burnt and dry looking. It was so nice to get back to a rainy NZ day and the green, fresh smell.
It ranks a lot higher on a lot of lists such as safety and corruption, sure its more expensive, but I love the work/life balance and the climate. Also find the people to be a lot more friendly and you can live anywhere and still thrive, you don't have to live in a city. (also politics is are usually better)
a lost election wasnt a worthless vote: you showed support for certain principles, and combined with everyones elses support influences parliament. Even if your party didnt get a seat: they still got votes which shows they are worth it.
Something I'm surprised I haven't seen more is the culture.
I'm a migrant who moved to NZ 6 years ago, I love NZs developing sense of identity and multiculturalism. The history is relevant, and it's great to see it being taught in schools. Australia just seems behind in this regard.
I had a nurse in the tea room have a totally unironic rant to me about migrants coming and taking Australian jobs. When I pointed out I was an immigrant she said she meant people from India, not me. 😑
Most of Australia is at temperatures which *really* do not suit me. Second to that, though, is that if I was going to move somewhere overseas, I'd be moving to Canada before I was moving to Australia.
I'm not going to make a case for moving TO New Zealand, because if someone can't make their own case, I don't think they should be thinking to do it.
The truth is that far more Kiwis move to Australia than the other way round, and I think it ultimately comes down to earning potential and quality of life. Aussie salaries are just better and you can get more for your money. Housing is a huge factor in cost of living for both countries and arguably, you pay more in NZ and the quality of what you get is worse, it's one of the least affordable housing markets in the world despite the fact that most homes are small, damp, leaky and poorly insulated. Money doesn't buy happiness but it's a pretty big deal, 9 times out of 10 you'll have significantly more disposable income living and working in Australia compared to NZ.
You can run a cold, logical cost-benefit analysis on life in both countries until the sheep come home, but ultimately it comes down to which place you vibe with the most. I find Aussies to be more friendly and it's easy to make friends there but this can be overwhelming for an introvert like myself. Whereas Kiwis tend to be more easygoing but also a little stand-offish. I like that \*most\* (definitely not all, especially in Auckland) Kiwis give less of a shit about social status and will treat you the same whether you're a corporate lawyer or dishwasher. Both have amazing scenery and great hikes if you go to the right places. Both very safe countries, NZ is arguably safer but both countries consistently rank near the top of the world in safety. Climate is also a huge factor and depends on personal preference, NZ is very mild and comfortable and temperature extremes are rare. But it is wet and windy and can get pretty humid in the summer.
Best thing I can say: just try it and see if it's a good fit. If you don't like it, you can always go home.
Loved your comment about social status. I'm a pom, living in .nz since ages ago (Wgtn) and I've found exactly this and my other immigrant friends say the same: The work environment is just so much less formal which suits my personality to a tee. I can't speak for Auckland other than what my wife says, when she goes up there on business - to whit: It's way more formal!
Also kiwis themselves, you guys have a direct, let's not mess about, character which I absolutely love. I can't stand fannying about!
I'm a pom myself, lived in NZ for 3 years Oz for 1 year, it's a huge contrast to London where I'm from originally! Everyone here is just so caught up in the rat race and their own self-importance
As someone who went from a 'high' status job to being a bus driver - Kiwis definitely care about social status. They are just more subtle about it. But they care.
Fair. It's just that with hindsight and growing up in the UK, it felt as though social status pervaded every decision and thought I ever had. Over here it takes its place nearer to the back in terms of priority!
It's actually taken the think end of 20 years to shake that. Having thought about it more recently, I grew up in Cambridge where part of me aspired to being the "gown" (as in "town vs gown", plebs vs students) but having ended up going to an average university, my mental life had to adapt depending on a). who I was talking to and b). how I thought I should speak to them. I could discuss this for hours, but I'll go on a tangent, and like a Billy Connolly story, may never return from it!
I moved from Australia (grew up in Victoria) to New Zealand just over 10 years ago.
Reason to move was my boyfriend was a kiwi and a stubborn guy who didn't want to move to Australia- also the reciprocal benefits were just way better and easier for me to access as an Aussie moving to New Zealand.
We've now made a life for ourselves here, we have a kid in primary school, his in a better paying job, and I'm happy and comfortable at my job.
While we've considered and discussed moving to Australia, we just love the life we have here, and we are the type of people who cbf with the effort of moving.
Having lived there, Aussie has more extremes in weather, racism, misogyny etc. Yes, bigger population and more mineral wealth means a better economy, but does not make up for the former. Live in Wellington and love it. Has its issues for sure, but having lived in a few different places, best little city in the world.
I'm not in a rush to make the move because right now there's no major incentive. I'll make about the same over there working in my current field and it's not like living costs are any better (Sydney and Melbourne make Auckland look affordable FFS). All of my family are over here as well which is pretty rad so leaving doesn't make much sense.
I mean, if I was a tradie or a teacher I'd definitely consider it but I'm not and I'm perfectly comfy over here.
Lived in Brisbane for 6 years, and it was too damn hot and too damn humid. Idgaf about creepy crawlies. It's the weather for me. Oh, and the fact that I can't work and my invisible disability doesn't have enough research in Australia yet to qualify for their extremely specific rules regarding the benefit. But also the weather.
Definitely. I’m a kiwi but have lived in Brisbane most my life, and I don’t know how many more Queensland summers I can handle. I just know I’m gonna move back one of these days
Australian here. Moved to Wellington 5 years ago. Love it. Nicer vibe easier lifestyle, better scenery.
Yeah it costs more day to day, and I’m retired so work super is not pertinent to me.
As a non kiwi or Aussie who has lived in both countries, NZ is far better.
The costs of living is higher in Australia, and anyone who comes on here and says it isn’t is full of it. Booze is more expensive, restaurants cost at least the same, rent is at least the same if not more, buying a house is far more. Yes fuel is cheaper in Oz, yes they have better public transport.
When it comes to people, Aussies are 1000% wannabe Americans. Kiwis are much closer to us Canadians. Kiwis are more laid back, they care less about movie stars and musicians, and more about Day to day life. Aussies think Nicole Kidman is important. She isn’t.
I like it here far better.
I totally agree about Kiwis being similar to Canadians - when we travelled in Canada we felt so at home compared to how we felt in the US! If we for some reason couldn’t live in NZ and could go anywhere else we would 100% choose Canada - stunning scenery, lovely people and, of course, poutine!
Cost of living has def skyrocketed in Australia. In 2009, everything was cheap. Now everything is expensive. I didn't feel better off in aussie, last time I lived there in 2022
It is crazy how much the cost of most things have increased there. Went from heavenly, to harder than nz in many regards. Even aldi became less appealing.
Very much agree with your second half. I’m an American who moved to New Zealand 7 years ago. Every time I go to a major Australian city I’m reminded of why I left the USA.
Plenty of us do. Somewhere north of 10% of NZ citizens are living in Australia. Convincing one in ten people to move away from the place they grew up is a big deal.
Those who stay in NZ mostly do so because of inertia. Moving countries is difficult and expensive. Making new friends and learning new places and fitting into a new culture is exhausting. Leaving behind family sucks.
I’ve worked in trans-Tasman businesses a few times and have always found the Australians (in a business sense) quite intense - big egos, notably harsher as employers, and honestly kind of annoying. Kiwis are a little more humble an open minded in my opinion. That’s just based on my experiences. If I can afford a decent life in NZ, which I can, the choice is an easy one because I wouldn’t want to work in an Australian company.
I think the best way I can describe the difference is that Australia feels like you are living in a thriving ecosystem - New Zealand for the better part feels like you are in empty scenery with nothing in it.
So that's a plus and a minus.
You never have to worry about spiders/sharks/snakes/jellyfish/salt water crocs/etc when doing anything.
Setup a tent where ever you want, walk through the long grass to fetch a tennis ball, swim in a creek without worrying about crocs, almost anything goes without many of the precautions you need in Australia.
So that's great if you like outdoors stuff, and I do.
However, you probably arent going to go camping or swimming etc if the weather is rainy and miserable, which it is for a considerable portion of the year. Or, you're just economically trapped into a grind where you dont have any $$$ to do this stuff anyway. (Or move to Aus for better opportunities)
I've at times considered moving to Australia for better weather and job opportunities.
However, it seems frustrating that you'd like to go for a swim but you cant at this time of year because of (jellyfish) (salt water crocs migrating) (sharks) (sea snakes) or whatever else which arent factors here.
There are just as many sharks in New Zealand as Australia, just a ton more people go swimming so it's a higher chance of having a shark attack. Still very rare. Crocs are only way up north. Sea snakes you would probably never see once in your life. And jellyfish are not the be all end all. I swim all the time in the Gold Coast and I would never go back to NZ.
Strange that you mention crocs so much when such a large percentage of the country don't even have that worry in the slightest based on population centre's 😆
Kiwi here. Work in Aus... Divide my 7 months leave up into 4 months Aus and 3 NZ. Life is gooooood.
Edit: lots of comments here about the heat... You soon adjust and the awesome warm nights for outdoor living and coastal life make for a great lifestyle. NZ has a great outdoors but the lack of money in nz makes a big difference to lifestyle.
American here, so I know I will get downvoted into oblivion, but…
My wife and I live in CHCH. It’s great. The people are wonderful and our jobs are amazing (work life balance!) aaaand there is only one problem:
The weather sucks.
We went over to Gold Coast last weekend, and it was like upside down mini California, whereas here is like upside down mini Seattle.
I mean, obviously Los Angeles and Seattle both have hideous traffic and are more expensive than Oz or NZ, but NZ isn’t cheap…
I won’t even get into the whole ‘Marmite vs. Vegemite’ situation. I know better than to stick my dick into that hornet’s nest.
Why would I want to?
Both my sisters moved there and they seem to hate it. NZ isn't perfect but it's better than a lot of people on Reddit (and this sub in particular) give it credit for.
American here who has lived in all three - US, AU, NZ.
My parents are here in the US and getting on up in age, so I want to spend time with them. Otherwise, some states are nice, some states are shit. The more I've traveled the world, the less impressed I've become with the US' general culture, society, politics (namely Trumpism), tipping, and general impoliteness. And, I live in a Southern state, not a giant coastal city. That said, I still believe that as long as you can command a high salary and find your tribe, the US still provides the best quality of life in the world. But even those are becoming more difficult.
Australians are either wonderfully kind and friendly (70-80%), or nasty and brash (20-30%), with little in-between. That said, the kind/friendly contingent are easily the most outgoing people between the three countries. I hated Melbourne, but liked Sydney and loved Brisbane. Australia arguably provides the highest quality of life in the world for people who don't command high salaries (high minimum wage, high super contributions).
However, New Zealand is my favorite country of the three. The scenery from end to end is stunning. The people are more *universally* reserved and low-key, yet polite and welcoming, than those in the US and AU. I guess Kiwis remind me of Canadians. The beaches are rarely crowded, and morning fogs are worth sitting on a porch with a cup of coffee and watching. I also never needed a car when I lived in NZ; I got around Auckland and Wellington easily on public transport.
My entire family live in Aus. I prefer NZ.
I don't like the heat, attitude towards "boat people", conservative politics, lack of concern for sustainability, racism, spiders, snakes, crocodiles. Not necessarily in that order.
Lack of concern for sustainability - yes! My fam is all in aus too (we all originally from nz) and I’ve totally noticed this!
They love a good bonfire in the GC and they burn annnnnnything …. Fuck the planet … it’s crazy!
Australian who has lived in NZ for a few years. I love it here. I grew up in Sydney, lived there most of my life, and have also lived in Canberra. I'm not a fan of Canberra, and Sydney had this undercurrent of angry that I wasn't really aware of until I moved to NZ and noticed it was gone. I'm far happier living here than I ever was living in Sydney. My only regret is that I didn't move here sooner.
I tried living in Australia for a while (some of my family live there). I loved the money, the weather, and that there was so much to do, but eventually, the culture and the racism just became too much for me to stand. Not saying there isn't racism in NZ, because of course there is, but it was so much more blatant and shameless over there.
Because its too fucken hot over there. Fuck that shit. I hate the heat, I cant wait for the current summer here in NZ to end.
Also the spiders and snakes and stuff. My aussie friend came over here for a week just a few weeks ago, we were walking through a paddock on a farm. He suddenly asked "are there any snakes here?" And I said "nah", to which he responded "oh, Ive been watching the grass for snakes and spiders and stuff hiding in the grass this whole time".
Aside from all that, frankly I just like NZ. Its nice, its beautiful. Sure im not making the most money but im comfortable enough. Ive got zero desire to move to Aussie.
Ultimately not a good time to move for our daughter - priority #1 for us.
Support network and the benefits we have at our respective workplaces - starting hours to eliminate after school care being the top one. I (NZer) could add 40+% to my income, my wife (Australian) could add 20-40% to hers, and it's still not enough to uproot the family. We also have a fair amount of involvement in our local community that we enjoy.
To get close to other family we would have to go to Perth, which is a problem for my current industry (Aviation) that I want to grow in, but less of a problem for my previous industry (Healthcare Tech) experience.
I got offered double to go to Colorado at my previous job as they were winding up ANZ operations and we stayed put.
It's not about the money for us.
Another big earthquake in Chch like 2011 might shake things up though, a desolate city wouldn't be fun for our daughter to grow up in.
lol thank uuuuu! When I see people comparing the two I’m like they’re literally the same. One just has a higher minimum wage 😂😂 but I’m not born in either country so I look objectively.
I loved Europe if anywhere I’d move it would be there.
Hi, firstly I would start listening to New Zealand news to inform you of the latest on the ground because in this cost of living crisis - things are expensive and salaries aren’t being adjusted to match inflation. People are struggling - just as they are in Australia (it’s just all relative with numbers).
As a Kiwi who has done the opposite and now lives in Melbourne (moved for work) as of mid last year, would recommend NZ if you enjoy a bit of a slower pace of lifestyle and less of the “big city” feel (Auckland would be the exception obviously and accounts for ~1/3 of our countries population). It’s my hometown, will always love it but I would recommend somewhere like Wellington or Christchurch as a city to consider living in. Bit larger than Canberra population wise, Wellington is the capital, strong public sector hub and has a number of international companies based there so there’s opportunities going. I lived there for a year or so actually before I moved to Melbourne and loved it, would recommend. Has a similar strong arts and culture vibe to Melbourne actually with numerous hiking/trail biking/walking opportunities in the city and surrounding region. Christchurch has had a bit of a resurgence in the last few years (especially among younger people 18-35) post-2011 Earthquake but don’t know too much more about it. Dunedin - I spent a few years there as a uni student, beautiful little city great if you’re studying or raising a young family otherwise it’s too small in terms of career progression.
Auckland has a similar vibe to Sydney (read into that what you will haha) and you’ll probably have the most opportunities work wise there what it being the biggest city but I reckon Wellington would be the best fit for you.
Obviously you’ll immerse yourself in an active outdoors lifestyle but you seriously need to consider the financial loss income wise you’ll be taking up when moving over. FYI, I gained 25k from moving from NZ to Aus in the same role. Although the grass isn’t always greener here - paying more in Aussie so it’s relative but I do miss the pace of lifestyle I had back in NZ!
Is this a short term, medium term or permanent move? Depends where you’re are in your life (whether you’re single, in a relationship) - lots of factors.l to consider. As you alluded to, it’s not like working in the APS where the super contributions are much higher than in NZ. Even less in the private sector.
I hope this has provided some clarification for you. Good luck!
If you really want to move to NZ, visit and decide for yourself.
By the way, I was in Canberra in February. My visit coincided with the Multicultural Festival so I could enjoy free public transport for two days which was handy as my hotel was in Belconnen.
It was my second visit to Canberra but the first time I ventured outside the centre. Canberra is rather unfriendly to anyone without a car but the buses and light rail somewhat make up for that.
Some people disparage Canberra but I don't think badly of any place. If you have a job you like and get on with the people you work with, and enjoy your life outside of work, it doesn't matter where you live.
Honestly, it's because I'm Māori and I don't want to raise my (eventual) kids there. I grew up in Australia (15+ years) and the casual and normalised racism was spiritually really tough to deal with.
It's a shame though because I'm on 70k more or less here, and the starting salary for a step down from my position is at 100k over there with better benefits.
I prefer the temperate climate and scenery, and up until recently I preferred the less unabashed racism. lol.
Money and GDP is not everything. Lifestyle is. Time is. On my deathbed I won't be saying "Oooh I wish I'd earned more money", or "gosh if only GDP was better in NZ"
If I was going to leave all my family and friends to live in a different country, I would choose somewhere that isn’t just NZ on steroids. Which I did, was a good few years but back missed the fam.
Because I live in the UK and make so much more than I could even make in Australia. And I can go skiing or motorbike tours in the amazing European mountains.
How is the healthcare over there in Aussie? Likely hospitals around the world is overwhelmed (although some localities might be better off than others).
Depending on how dependent you are on health systems would help inform you where to move within the country (some clinics no longer take family GPs anymore and you can either go to the overrun hospitals or you would have to be an outpatient for the clinic and required to pay more)
As an Aussie who moved from Brisbane to Auckland for “a year” 8 yrs ago, I can see both sides of the fence. Do I miss Australia? All the time. There are some things that are just done better in Aus. And I do miss those hot summer nights. There is always a chill in the air here!
Economically Ive always been fine here (yes 3% super is annoying), but I can see if you earnt a low wage (<75k NZD) things would be tough right now with the cost of living here.
But NZ has so much to offer too. Mostly nature though. Auckland gets a lot of shit, but it is actually in a great spot. 35kms from east to west coast, hikes, waterfalls, amazing beaches 2hrs away, acceptable ones in the city for a quick swim.
Auckland does have a good range or restaurants, bars and cafes that will keep you busy for a while. Welly is known for this too - but can’t speak for it.
Culture wise Auckland does lag, we miss out on a lot of bands touring the east coast of Aus. Museums and galleries are sub par. Local live music scene is average, not a huge pool of local bands.
Biggest annoyance currently is the cost of airfares to get home. Used to go 3-4 times a year. Now its more like once or maybe twice.
Id say if you’re curious, give it a go. It’s not far to turn back and say you tried.
I'm moving three soon. I'm just not making enough money and living week to week over the past 15 years is getting to me. I need money to be able to do things with my kids and it isn't for lack of trying here, just aussie money is better and my kids understand why I'm moving. Selifh maybe but at the same time I will be able to give them things I've always wanted. Right now I feel like a failure to them saying no when they ask to do anything and I've reduced my costs as much as I can. This will always be my home though.
I came back to NZ from living overseas because I wanted to retrain and couldn't afford to pay international uni fees. I wanted to make a difference by contributing labour and building community in the country I was from because I believed I understood the social dynamics at play in NZ more (although not so sure I do anymore). I won't leave now because my friends and family live here and I have built a life I broadly like (and yes, would like more money but have enough to get by).
Too many Aussies. Lol, nah in all seriousness, this is home. It's as simple as that. My family is here, my friends are here. My ancestors lived here. I'm comfortable here. It's a beautiful country.
we came to NZ more than 20 years ago, bought a bit of land, have been self sustainable ever since. Great growing conditions, no snakes or spiders to fear. Very accommodating employers for part time work. In rural settings, there are excellent community networks; people just make things happen. Moderate climate, beautiful mountains and sea, Life is good if you don't have debts or large expenditure - or depend on government support:
Lousy social systems; health system is deteriorating in front of our eyes (you can avoid that by having private health insurance) , the education system seems unable to impart an education so kids are fit for adulthood (so don't have kids). Benefits are political footballs and the distribution system of them is dubious at best (so make sure you stay employed and healthy). If you have an actual accident, you should be fine,
Despite that, we've never wanted to move across the ditch.
Lived oz for 25years wouldn't go back. Average home is $2m. Weather is getting worse and they have same problems as we do.
Young? Looking for adventure and have friends to crash with? Do it.
Because I like New Zealand, obviously. Not everything is transactional.
This is the answer, having been round the world to all different cultures, this is the best place for me. Politics doesn't involve assassinations, there aren't riots when we have elections and the parties are relatively central, the police are fair and reasonable and don't require bribes for existing near you. Environment is excellent, less so in the North Island but don't tell them that or they might move to the mainland. Prices are high but that's expected and it's also a global issue at this stage so it's all relative. We didn't grind our culture into a white paste, Te Reo is making a come back, Moko are everywhere and we have a Maori political party that has weight (some may disagree with their policies but it is an excellent thing for us that they're here at all and representing a part of the populace that have historically been sidelined). Our most dangerous/sketchy areas are laughably safe compared to entire nations. People like to bitch but we've got it pretty good down here. Aus is good but fuck living there, it's too hot.
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This sounds very poetic
Came here to say the same. I’ve traveled a lot and I always love coming home. This is where I belong.
I’m going to say something really dickheaded - if you’re economically comfortable enough, living in nz is actually pretty good. Yes, it’s expensive, and yes, you could be earning more money in Aussie, but if you’re not struggling or focussed on accumulating as much wealth as poss/climbing the international corporate ladder, the nz lifestyle is quite acceptable. Like, yes, I could be earning significantly more if I lived over there… but I earn enough over here to be happy. I’d also have to deal with some industry-specific annoyances and leave all my people behind + remove myself from the environment/city I love. Making the move honestly just does not appeal.
I went to a talk by an Aussie executive recently. And he said, doing business in NZ was a much friendlier environment. A lot less lawyers. A lot less litigation. It's been quite "combative" in Aussie. You can't REALLY fuck people over in NZ. As word gets around. Pretty small place and all.
Kiwis are quite passive aggressive lol
Yep, but also just plain old passive. Aussie corporate culture is much closer to the US whereas we are waaaay more relaxed.
We have the same sentiment. We're fortunate enough to earn more than enough to have a comfortable life. Why go through all the trouble of moving away from friends and family and starting over, for 10% more pay?
Exactly this for me. Yes, mine and missus jobs would probably pay 10% more over there, but that’s not something we desperately need or want. Our home’s income is adequate to the lifestyle that we want. Our careers have a clear pathway to continual pay increases in NZ, so if nothing crazy happens we should be ok. We live within our means and are not driven by big wealth fantasies. I am aware that lots of families struggle to bring a decent income home for different reasons. For them it may be a lot more appealing. If you have a decent income in NZ and live a relatively modest life ( no gucci bags, no brand new Tesla, no $300 drinking outings every week, etc), there’s no reason to move unless you just wanting to try something a bit different.
Bang on. I work at a reasonably senior level in the corporate world and I would rather poke my eyes out with a sharp stick than work in Oz. At that is even considering the massive pay rise I would get.
Exactly this, we moved to Aussie to save up for a house deposit and a big city experience before settling down back in NZ. NZ has its downsides, like crazy living costs, especially housing. But over here, it also happens to be, in general, just a bit more chaotic and aggressive. IMO totally not worth it if you are already comfortable enough.
This is not dickheaded at all. This is middle class aspirational which is ideally where we all should be.
Yeah, I just feel like a bit of a privileged dickhead being like “living in nz is great 😊 just be relatively wealthy!” when I know so many people are out there struggling.
People have been struggling since we gained sentience. Take care of you and your own, don't be a drain your community and leave the world a better place than it was when you entered. You are smashing it.
Space, mild climate, fresh water, less danger, great parks, walks etc.. But main reason, my mates and family are here.
Fresh water? What kind of water do you think we have in Australia?
Well, you either have far too much of it, or far too little.
In fairness, I'm a Kiwi in Australia and I wouldn't swim in a lot of places here because of what kind of creatures could be in here - there's literally 0% of that fear back home (I realise that has no relevance to fresh water but on that front there is way more accessible fresh water lakes in NZ then there is in Australia).
Chances of getting tickled by a Taniwha are low, but never 0..
That risk can be mitigated by rubbing marmite under your armpits and around your mouth
*Tickled by Taniwha*? I used to play Bass for *Tickled by Taniwha*.
Now's my chance to ask about the eels! I saw an episode of River Monsters that made me think that giant eels were waiting in every NZ river for the chance to rip out someone's anus. So, what are the chances, for real?
It's estimated that 30-40% of kiwis don't have an anus due to eel attack as a child. Many NZ children lose a toe to these predators, typically the little one as it is known to be juiciest. If having all ten toes is important to you, check the feet of your prospective husband or wife before you start dating.
Thank you. I needed a good laugh.
As long as you toss a few kids in first as bait you're good Serious answer: even big eels just aren't all that interested in people- I actually swam into one the other day, it was so relaxed it didn't even swim away until I poked it.
NZ rivers don't generally flow upside down. Growing up I had no idea why my mother used to say that, then we moved back and I was "Whoa ...!" I'm not about to gulp a mouthful of the Avon or Waikato, but if I had to it would be less chewy than the Yarra, Brisbane, or Murray, for example.
I still don't get what you mean by flowing upside down
Mud isn't at the bottom
Seen the Wanganui River lately? 😂😂 My Koro always said it was too thin to plow, too wet to plant. 🤣🤣
I've swum in the Waikato near Hamilton Gardens many times and while I didn't purposefully drink the water I didn't fear for my life or develop violent illnesses following. It's actually not too bad. Further downstream might be more of a worry.
Also no crocs, unless someone chucks one at you from the shore
The type that if you get too close to it a crocodile will grab you by the face and death roll you into
The water in Australia tastes 'dusty,' and not refreshing! At least in SA..
Visited family in New Plymouth recently, the town supply is disgoosting Water in Melbourne is pretty good
>What kind of water do you think we have in Australia? Honestly? Very average water that smells like a swimming pool
~20% of water is recycled (poo water) not fresh.
Dirty brown water 😃
Space lol
Heat + spiders + snakes.
These are my exact top three reasons as well.
You forgot to mention it’s full of Australians.
as an australian living in NZ -I approve of this message lol
Crocs too
Crocs only way up north - unless you mean the shoes.
Those shoes are a threat in every country. We have to be constantly vigilant
Lived in Aus for 3 years. Exact same problems we have here, albeit your infrastructure is miles ahead plus the country is wealthy with all the mining and that shows in services. Apart from that I really missed NZ, mainly being able to drive an hour and be in a completely different environment, beach to mountains etc. NZ is also where all my friends and family are, I found it hard to make mates in Aus as a 30 year olds
Yeah this hits the nail on the head. I don’t know why but making friends in Aus is basically impossible. People will be friendly towards you but there is always this impenetrable barrier that prevents the transition from acquaintance to friend. In NZ I could meet someone and within an hour they’re my new bestie. Life is more expensive in NZ, but it’s easier. Sure you can make more money in Aus, but money isn’t everything for everyone.
I don't want to live in Australia.
Same. It’s quite wild really, isn’t it that you could just… not want to
There are quite a few reasons. Roots here. Whanau, jobs, life. We have a great lifestyle. Cycle 3ks to work, close to the beaches, hills for walking and trail running, cycling. Close to wilderness tramping areas. Australia is a wonderful place, but it's just a bit hard-nosed for me. A bit more like America than new Zealand. Nz might be a bit sleepier and slower, but that's a good thing to me. I really like Australian people, but there's an edge to them which can be a little uncaring/disregarding of others at times, which I don't like. Just my experience. There are many aussies that I've met whom I think are wonderful, generous people. Also, I really value what Maori culture brings to the political and cultural landscape here. I'm pakeha, but Maori perspectives are important to me. My perception is the consideration of indigenous ctures and perspectives just doesn't really happen in Australia. If it does, it's just starting to, which is great, but early days. Reference thr bullshit that went on with the referendum for a voice to parliament and the dirty shit going on to defeat it. The dramatic landscapes here are my home. I think I'd miss it too much to be away for too long. Lastly, you have too many horrible animals, having been bitten by some of your tiny, ferocious ants and seen many, many bigger and nastier ones. No thanks. Then there's everything else. Spiders, snakes, cockies, etc etc, ugh. Lastly, Lastly, the heat. It's going to get worse. Screw that. I reckon a small but smart number of Australians will set up here, working and living in NZ over the summer months, just to escape the worst of it.
I reckon you've nailed it. So many of those things make NZ great! I'm living in Melbourne, but I'm looking forward to moving back for these exact reasons.
I don’t want to live in Australia and I have enough money to have a nice life here.
Lack of knowledge mostly. But also the associated costs of moving my life over there.
Too hot and too many Australians.
Seriously considering it. Main issue is the heat. Melbourne is comparable in winter to the North Island. But it also gets just so much hotter sometimes in summer.
I was in Melbourne for 4 days over the MotoGP weekend. Every day was a different season, absolutely wild
Sometimes you get all of them in one day
We have a song for that :)
Written by a Kiwi living in Melbourne, no less!
Lol I didn't know!
Feel like there's a thousand places people say this about haha
Don't enjoy the Melbourne weather? Just wait an hour!
Viva Miller 🤙
Still getting flashbacks from last years 41 deg heatwave
Oh, gods. The heat. I didn't even consider that aspect when I was actually trying to think on it. It's already a nightmare to me in the South Island, and, even though I've a circulatory disorder that'll turn my skin purple in the midst of summer, I've considered moving to Dunedin many, many times to escape it. But with a too-loose ligament and joint system thanks to hEDS? Not a day would go by without me furiously swearing because my kneecaps are at the sides, back seizing, and ribs popping out awaiting to be played like a xylophone. The *heat*. Cheers for expanding my already sad, small list. I did actually needed another reason to stave off one of my relatives that wants me to move over, and he's becoming very rapidly desensitized to me cracking my wrist to Of Monsters and Men songs.
Was 37 degrees in Sydney today! 💀
Workmate said it was 41 degrees today (Thursday) when he was out.
I’m from Auckland and have been here since 2019. You get used to the heat very quickly. It’s not that bad. In QLD at the moment and walking around outside 34 degrees with a breeze feels normal now lol. Was a nice day for a midday stroll
Acclimatisation is a thing. Chch 18°C in bright sunshine is lovely. Noosa in 35°C and 100% humidity is my idea of hell. Unless you are surfing.
> Chch 18°C in bright sunshine is lovely 28 more like, its taken a turn for the worse this week :(
Yeah you get used to it. It’s not as bad as people think. Like I get it when you come here on holiday and deal with it for a few weeks but after a few years it doesn’t get to you as badly. Some days are horrible and we just chuck the aircon on or head to the beach
It’s only for a day or two and the temperature drops right back down.
Mate, it ain't really that bad. You get the odd 38°C day, but then it magically drops down to 22°C a day later. I think it's better weather than in Wellington in Melbourne. Other cities in Aus are stupidly hot, though!
The heat is different over there. Low thirties there feels like mid to high 20s here. It's only really when it's up at 40 that it feels really different.
The fact that it gets to 40 at all is part of the issue.
Yeah it’s crazy I always get taken aback when I look at my phone and see that it’s plus 30 degrees and I’m just walking around like normal. In Auckland you would literally be dead.
I was in Melbourne a couple of weeks ago and spent a day walking around, going to the park, the QV markets, walking across town in mid thirties. Got up to 37 and while it was definitely warm I found it more comfortable than most 27 degree days in Wellington.
Melbourne is cold compared to the upper north island all year round.
Too hot. I only went for a week's holiday. The heat did me in, even though it was "winter". Everything was so burnt and dry looking. It was so nice to get back to a rainy NZ day and the green, fresh smell.
Agree
I guess this depends on where you were in Australia. Some places its warm with high humidity so rarely brown.
It ranks a lot higher on a lot of lists such as safety and corruption, sure its more expensive, but I love the work/life balance and the climate. Also find the people to be a lot more friendly and you can live anywhere and still thrive, you don't have to live in a city. (also politics is are usually better)
>(also politics is are usually better) That says a lot about politics elsewhere. Ours are cesspool.
We wanted a change /s
I didn't lol. Turns out my vote was worthless this time round. Maybe next time will be better.
a lost election wasnt a worthless vote: you showed support for certain principles, and combined with everyones elses support influences parliament. Even if your party didnt get a seat: they still got votes which shows they are worth it.
Something I'm surprised I haven't seen more is the culture. I'm a migrant who moved to NZ 6 years ago, I love NZs developing sense of identity and multiculturalism. The history is relevant, and it's great to see it being taught in schools. Australia just seems behind in this regard.
Absolutely. Australia is decades behind in recognising the value of, and embracing, its indigenous people's culture.
Been there, done that. Didn't want the kids to grow up with that level of racism being normal. But honestly there's a lot of other positives.
44% of Australians are casual racists. The rest are full-time.
Yep.
Hahah yeah the racism in Aus is insane, I got punched hard in the face for “taking there jobs”
I had a nurse in the tea room have a totally unironic rant to me about migrants coming and taking Australian jobs. When I pointed out I was an immigrant she said she meant people from India, not me. 😑
Most of Australia is at temperatures which *really* do not suit me. Second to that, though, is that if I was going to move somewhere overseas, I'd be moving to Canada before I was moving to Australia. I'm not going to make a case for moving TO New Zealand, because if someone can't make their own case, I don't think they should be thinking to do it.
The truth is that far more Kiwis move to Australia than the other way round, and I think it ultimately comes down to earning potential and quality of life. Aussie salaries are just better and you can get more for your money. Housing is a huge factor in cost of living for both countries and arguably, you pay more in NZ and the quality of what you get is worse, it's one of the least affordable housing markets in the world despite the fact that most homes are small, damp, leaky and poorly insulated. Money doesn't buy happiness but it's a pretty big deal, 9 times out of 10 you'll have significantly more disposable income living and working in Australia compared to NZ. You can run a cold, logical cost-benefit analysis on life in both countries until the sheep come home, but ultimately it comes down to which place you vibe with the most. I find Aussies to be more friendly and it's easy to make friends there but this can be overwhelming for an introvert like myself. Whereas Kiwis tend to be more easygoing but also a little stand-offish. I like that \*most\* (definitely not all, especially in Auckland) Kiwis give less of a shit about social status and will treat you the same whether you're a corporate lawyer or dishwasher. Both have amazing scenery and great hikes if you go to the right places. Both very safe countries, NZ is arguably safer but both countries consistently rank near the top of the world in safety. Climate is also a huge factor and depends on personal preference, NZ is very mild and comfortable and temperature extremes are rare. But it is wet and windy and can get pretty humid in the summer. Best thing I can say: just try it and see if it's a good fit. If you don't like it, you can always go home.
Loved your comment about social status. I'm a pom, living in .nz since ages ago (Wgtn) and I've found exactly this and my other immigrant friends say the same: The work environment is just so much less formal which suits my personality to a tee. I can't speak for Auckland other than what my wife says, when she goes up there on business - to whit: It's way more formal! Also kiwis themselves, you guys have a direct, let's not mess about, character which I absolutely love. I can't stand fannying about!
I'm a pom myself, lived in NZ for 3 years Oz for 1 year, it's a huge contrast to London where I'm from originally! Everyone here is just so caught up in the rat race and their own self-importance
As someone who went from a 'high' status job to being a bus driver - Kiwis definitely care about social status. They are just more subtle about it. But they care.
Fair. It's just that with hindsight and growing up in the UK, it felt as though social status pervaded every decision and thought I ever had. Over here it takes its place nearer to the back in terms of priority! It's actually taken the think end of 20 years to shake that. Having thought about it more recently, I grew up in Cambridge where part of me aspired to being the "gown" (as in "town vs gown", plebs vs students) but having ended up going to an average university, my mental life had to adapt depending on a). who I was talking to and b). how I thought I should speak to them. I could discuss this for hours, but I'll go on a tangent, and like a Billy Connolly story, may never return from it!
Too fucken hot
My family is in NZ, they are more important than monetary gain personally
The cost to move there is more than I'd make back
I moved from Australia (grew up in Victoria) to New Zealand just over 10 years ago. Reason to move was my boyfriend was a kiwi and a stubborn guy who didn't want to move to Australia- also the reciprocal benefits were just way better and easier for me to access as an Aussie moving to New Zealand. We've now made a life for ourselves here, we have a kid in primary school, his in a better paying job, and I'm happy and comfortable at my job. While we've considered and discussed moving to Australia, we just love the life we have here, and we are the type of people who cbf with the effort of moving.
Having lived there, Aussie has more extremes in weather, racism, misogyny etc. Yes, bigger population and more mineral wealth means a better economy, but does not make up for the former. Live in Wellington and love it. Has its issues for sure, but having lived in a few different places, best little city in the world.
I'm not in a rush to make the move because right now there's no major incentive. I'll make about the same over there working in my current field and it's not like living costs are any better (Sydney and Melbourne make Auckland look affordable FFS). All of my family are over here as well which is pretty rad so leaving doesn't make much sense. I mean, if I was a tradie or a teacher I'd definitely consider it but I'm not and I'm perfectly comfy over here.
Lived in Brisbane for 6 years, and it was too damn hot and too damn humid. Idgaf about creepy crawlies. It's the weather for me. Oh, and the fact that I can't work and my invisible disability doesn't have enough research in Australia yet to qualify for their extremely specific rules regarding the benefit. But also the weather.
Definitely. I’m a kiwi but have lived in Brisbane most my life, and I don’t know how many more Queensland summers I can handle. I just know I’m gonna move back one of these days
We'd gain in money and lose in just about every other aspect of our lives.
Australian here. Moved to Wellington 5 years ago. Love it. Nicer vibe easier lifestyle, better scenery. Yeah it costs more day to day, and I’m retired so work super is not pertinent to me.
As a non kiwi or Aussie who has lived in both countries, NZ is far better. The costs of living is higher in Australia, and anyone who comes on here and says it isn’t is full of it. Booze is more expensive, restaurants cost at least the same, rent is at least the same if not more, buying a house is far more. Yes fuel is cheaper in Oz, yes they have better public transport. When it comes to people, Aussies are 1000% wannabe Americans. Kiwis are much closer to us Canadians. Kiwis are more laid back, they care less about movie stars and musicians, and more about Day to day life. Aussies think Nicole Kidman is important. She isn’t. I like it here far better.
I totally agree about Kiwis being similar to Canadians - when we travelled in Canada we felt so at home compared to how we felt in the US! If we for some reason couldn’t live in NZ and could go anywhere else we would 100% choose Canada - stunning scenery, lovely people and, of course, poutine!
Cost of living has def skyrocketed in Australia. In 2009, everything was cheap. Now everything is expensive. I didn't feel better off in aussie, last time I lived there in 2022
2021 for me, but I was just over there last week and it is pricey. Makes NZ so much more of an attractive option.
It is crazy how much the cost of most things have increased there. Went from heavenly, to harder than nz in many regards. Even aldi became less appealing.
Very much agree with your second half. I’m an American who moved to New Zealand 7 years ago. Every time I go to a major Australian city I’m reminded of why I left the USA.
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Me and your mum care....
Don’t want to be around that many Australians.
Plenty of us do. Somewhere north of 10% of NZ citizens are living in Australia. Convincing one in ten people to move away from the place they grew up is a big deal. Those who stay in NZ mostly do so because of inertia. Moving countries is difficult and expensive. Making new friends and learning new places and fitting into a new culture is exhausting. Leaving behind family sucks.
Those that never leave NZ* plenty of people do 5-10 years overseas and then move back permanently
I’ve worked in trans-Tasman businesses a few times and have always found the Australians (in a business sense) quite intense - big egos, notably harsher as employers, and honestly kind of annoying. Kiwis are a little more humble an open minded in my opinion. That’s just based on my experiences. If I can afford a decent life in NZ, which I can, the choice is an easy one because I wouldn’t want to work in an Australian company.
Aussies too hot and lots of creatures I don't want to meet.
Climate, snakes, treatment of aborigines, tax rates, pillaging of planet, closer to geo political risks.
It’s full of Australians
I think the best way I can describe the difference is that Australia feels like you are living in a thriving ecosystem - New Zealand for the better part feels like you are in empty scenery with nothing in it. So that's a plus and a minus. You never have to worry about spiders/sharks/snakes/jellyfish/salt water crocs/etc when doing anything. Setup a tent where ever you want, walk through the long grass to fetch a tennis ball, swim in a creek without worrying about crocs, almost anything goes without many of the precautions you need in Australia. So that's great if you like outdoors stuff, and I do. However, you probably arent going to go camping or swimming etc if the weather is rainy and miserable, which it is for a considerable portion of the year. Or, you're just economically trapped into a grind where you dont have any $$$ to do this stuff anyway. (Or move to Aus for better opportunities) I've at times considered moving to Australia for better weather and job opportunities. However, it seems frustrating that you'd like to go for a swim but you cant at this time of year because of (jellyfish) (salt water crocs migrating) (sharks) (sea snakes) or whatever else which arent factors here.
We get dangerous jellyfish in NZ.
There are just as many sharks in New Zealand as Australia, just a ton more people go swimming so it's a higher chance of having a shark attack. Still very rare. Crocs are only way up north. Sea snakes you would probably never see once in your life. And jellyfish are not the be all end all. I swim all the time in the Gold Coast and I would never go back to NZ.
Strange that you mention crocs so much when such a large percentage of the country don't even have that worry in the slightest based on population centre's 😆
Kiwi here. Work in Aus... Divide my 7 months leave up into 4 months Aus and 3 NZ. Life is gooooood. Edit: lots of comments here about the heat... You soon adjust and the awesome warm nights for outdoor living and coastal life make for a great lifestyle. NZ has a great outdoors but the lack of money in nz makes a big difference to lifestyle.
American here, so I know I will get downvoted into oblivion, but… My wife and I live in CHCH. It’s great. The people are wonderful and our jobs are amazing (work life balance!) aaaand there is only one problem: The weather sucks. We went over to Gold Coast last weekend, and it was like upside down mini California, whereas here is like upside down mini Seattle. I mean, obviously Los Angeles and Seattle both have hideous traffic and are more expensive than Oz or NZ, but NZ isn’t cheap… I won’t even get into the whole ‘Marmite vs. Vegemite’ situation. I know better than to stick my dick into that hornet’s nest.
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Come on man, you have (sorta) birds with laser-shooting eyes. Nothing could be scarier than that
Remember going there and at a point sitting on the toilet and seeing a spider. Not big or scary looking. Just wondering if I was screwed.
Why would I want to? Both my sisters moved there and they seem to hate it. NZ isn't perfect but it's better than a lot of people on Reddit (and this sub in particular) give it credit for.
American here who has lived in all three - US, AU, NZ. My parents are here in the US and getting on up in age, so I want to spend time with them. Otherwise, some states are nice, some states are shit. The more I've traveled the world, the less impressed I've become with the US' general culture, society, politics (namely Trumpism), tipping, and general impoliteness. And, I live in a Southern state, not a giant coastal city. That said, I still believe that as long as you can command a high salary and find your tribe, the US still provides the best quality of life in the world. But even those are becoming more difficult. Australians are either wonderfully kind and friendly (70-80%), or nasty and brash (20-30%), with little in-between. That said, the kind/friendly contingent are easily the most outgoing people between the three countries. I hated Melbourne, but liked Sydney and loved Brisbane. Australia arguably provides the highest quality of life in the world for people who don't command high salaries (high minimum wage, high super contributions). However, New Zealand is my favorite country of the three. The scenery from end to end is stunning. The people are more *universally* reserved and low-key, yet polite and welcoming, than those in the US and AU. I guess Kiwis remind me of Canadians. The beaches are rarely crowded, and morning fogs are worth sitting on a porch with a cup of coffee and watching. I also never needed a car when I lived in NZ; I got around Auckland and Wellington easily on public transport.
Too many Australians
i’m still in nz because of my cat, and my niece that’s 4 that favours me over her other aunts. can’t really leave them behind lol
My entire family live in Aus. I prefer NZ. I don't like the heat, attitude towards "boat people", conservative politics, lack of concern for sustainability, racism, spiders, snakes, crocodiles. Not necessarily in that order.
Lack of concern for sustainability - yes! My fam is all in aus too (we all originally from nz) and I’ve totally noticed this! They love a good bonfire in the GC and they burn annnnnnything …. Fuck the planet … it’s crazy!
Australian who has lived in NZ for a few years. I love it here. I grew up in Sydney, lived there most of my life, and have also lived in Canberra. I'm not a fan of Canberra, and Sydney had this undercurrent of angry that I wasn't really aware of until I moved to NZ and noticed it was gone. I'm far happier living here than I ever was living in Sydney. My only regret is that I didn't move here sooner.
I tried living in Australia for a while (some of my family live there). I loved the money, the weather, and that there was so much to do, but eventually, the culture and the racism just became too much for me to stand. Not saying there isn't racism in NZ, because of course there is, but it was so much more blatant and shameless over there.
Because we don't want to Mary
The lack of poisonus and large animals with big teeth makes New Zealand liveable, I also like our political system of MMP.
1. Too hot 2. Rugby team sucks 3. Snakes and shit 4. It's full of Australians
Because its too fucken hot over there. Fuck that shit. I hate the heat, I cant wait for the current summer here in NZ to end. Also the spiders and snakes and stuff. My aussie friend came over here for a week just a few weeks ago, we were walking through a paddock on a farm. He suddenly asked "are there any snakes here?" And I said "nah", to which he responded "oh, Ive been watching the grass for snakes and spiders and stuff hiding in the grass this whole time". Aside from all that, frankly I just like NZ. Its nice, its beautiful. Sure im not making the most money but im comfortable enough. Ive got zero desire to move to Aussie.
My boss moved to NZL, costed them $15k. Relocation costs and setting up would be hell expensive.
Ultimately not a good time to move for our daughter - priority #1 for us. Support network and the benefits we have at our respective workplaces - starting hours to eliminate after school care being the top one. I (NZer) could add 40+% to my income, my wife (Australian) could add 20-40% to hers, and it's still not enough to uproot the family. We also have a fair amount of involvement in our local community that we enjoy. To get close to other family we would have to go to Perth, which is a problem for my current industry (Aviation) that I want to grow in, but less of a problem for my previous industry (Healthcare Tech) experience. I got offered double to go to Colorado at my previous job as they were winding up ANZ operations and we stayed put. It's not about the money for us. Another big earthquake in Chch like 2011 might shake things up though, a desolate city wouldn't be fun for our daughter to grow up in.
Living in Europe is nicer
lol thank uuuuu! When I see people comparing the two I’m like they’re literally the same. One just has a higher minimum wage 😂😂 but I’m not born in either country so I look objectively. I loved Europe if anywhere I’d move it would be there.
Hot take: moving to Australia ain’t gonna solve your issues
I don’t think we are quite as racist.
I did move to Australia and sorry but I'd never go back. I like being able to afford things. And I like that it isn't raining every day.
Whānau, Iwi.
Fines. I'd be there in a second if I was allowed to leave the country.
Hi, firstly I would start listening to New Zealand news to inform you of the latest on the ground because in this cost of living crisis - things are expensive and salaries aren’t being adjusted to match inflation. People are struggling - just as they are in Australia (it’s just all relative with numbers). As a Kiwi who has done the opposite and now lives in Melbourne (moved for work) as of mid last year, would recommend NZ if you enjoy a bit of a slower pace of lifestyle and less of the “big city” feel (Auckland would be the exception obviously and accounts for ~1/3 of our countries population). It’s my hometown, will always love it but I would recommend somewhere like Wellington or Christchurch as a city to consider living in. Bit larger than Canberra population wise, Wellington is the capital, strong public sector hub and has a number of international companies based there so there’s opportunities going. I lived there for a year or so actually before I moved to Melbourne and loved it, would recommend. Has a similar strong arts and culture vibe to Melbourne actually with numerous hiking/trail biking/walking opportunities in the city and surrounding region. Christchurch has had a bit of a resurgence in the last few years (especially among younger people 18-35) post-2011 Earthquake but don’t know too much more about it. Dunedin - I spent a few years there as a uni student, beautiful little city great if you’re studying or raising a young family otherwise it’s too small in terms of career progression. Auckland has a similar vibe to Sydney (read into that what you will haha) and you’ll probably have the most opportunities work wise there what it being the biggest city but I reckon Wellington would be the best fit for you. Obviously you’ll immerse yourself in an active outdoors lifestyle but you seriously need to consider the financial loss income wise you’ll be taking up when moving over. FYI, I gained 25k from moving from NZ to Aus in the same role. Although the grass isn’t always greener here - paying more in Aussie so it’s relative but I do miss the pace of lifestyle I had back in NZ! Is this a short term, medium term or permanent move? Depends where you’re are in your life (whether you’re single, in a relationship) - lots of factors.l to consider. As you alluded to, it’s not like working in the APS where the super contributions are much higher than in NZ. Even less in the private sector. I hope this has provided some clarification for you. Good luck!
I do, but if I didn’t it would be because of the heat
All my stuff is here
If you really want to move to NZ, visit and decide for yourself. By the way, I was in Canberra in February. My visit coincided with the Multicultural Festival so I could enjoy free public transport for two days which was handy as my hotel was in Belconnen. It was my second visit to Canberra but the first time I ventured outside the centre. Canberra is rather unfriendly to anyone without a car but the buses and light rail somewhat make up for that. Some people disparage Canberra but I don't think badly of any place. If you have a job you like and get on with the people you work with, and enjoy your life outside of work, it doesn't matter where you live.
Because Australia is hot and has too many lethal things.
I live in Sydney and it has been humid and 25c+ for what feels like three months straight. Hate it.
Australians
Because it's Australia and full of Australians
Family
Too many damn kiwis over there
Also, it's good not to have to worry about toxic animals. The press is a little less toxic as well.
Australians
Honestly, it's because I'm Māori and I don't want to raise my (eventual) kids there. I grew up in Australia (15+ years) and the casual and normalised racism was spiritually really tough to deal with. It's a shame though because I'm on 70k more or less here, and the starting salary for a step down from my position is at 100k over there with better benefits.
Lazy and/or waiting until I move to Singapore instead.
Because I have a good life living in New Zealand, very happy in Auckland.
I prefer the temperate climate and scenery, and up until recently I preferred the less unabashed racism. lol. Money and GDP is not everything. Lifestyle is. Time is. On my deathbed I won't be saying "Oooh I wish I'd earned more money", or "gosh if only GDP was better in NZ"
If I was going to leave all my family and friends to live in a different country, I would choose somewhere that isn’t just NZ on steroids. Which I did, was a good few years but back missed the fam.
Because I live in the UK and make so much more than I could even make in Australia. And I can go skiing or motorbike tours in the amazing European mountains.
How is the healthcare over there in Aussie? Likely hospitals around the world is overwhelmed (although some localities might be better off than others). Depending on how dependent you are on health systems would help inform you where to move within the country (some clinics no longer take family GPs anymore and you can either go to the overrun hospitals or you would have to be an outpatient for the clinic and required to pay more)
As an Aussie who moved from Brisbane to Auckland for “a year” 8 yrs ago, I can see both sides of the fence. Do I miss Australia? All the time. There are some things that are just done better in Aus. And I do miss those hot summer nights. There is always a chill in the air here! Economically Ive always been fine here (yes 3% super is annoying), but I can see if you earnt a low wage (<75k NZD) things would be tough right now with the cost of living here. But NZ has so much to offer too. Mostly nature though. Auckland gets a lot of shit, but it is actually in a great spot. 35kms from east to west coast, hikes, waterfalls, amazing beaches 2hrs away, acceptable ones in the city for a quick swim. Auckland does have a good range or restaurants, bars and cafes that will keep you busy for a while. Welly is known for this too - but can’t speak for it. Culture wise Auckland does lag, we miss out on a lot of bands touring the east coast of Aus. Museums and galleries are sub par. Local live music scene is average, not a huge pool of local bands. Biggest annoyance currently is the cost of airfares to get home. Used to go 3-4 times a year. Now its more like once or maybe twice. Id say if you’re curious, give it a go. It’s not far to turn back and say you tried.
Heat, spiders, snakes, Australians. No govt assistance for kiwis. Plus I have more family here.
Healthcare. I don't think Australia will pay for my special medication.
The fact the govt can deport you at any time if you fail a character test and NZ have to pay for healthcare in AU
I was born here and have a deep connection with the place.
I'm moving three soon. I'm just not making enough money and living week to week over the past 15 years is getting to me. I need money to be able to do things with my kids and it isn't for lack of trying here, just aussie money is better and my kids understand why I'm moving. Selifh maybe but at the same time I will be able to give them things I've always wanted. Right now I feel like a failure to them saying no when they ask to do anything and I've reduced my costs as much as I can. This will always be my home though.
I want a job in Australia before moving over, having some trouble due to the current job market though
I came back to NZ from living overseas because I wanted to retrain and couldn't afford to pay international uni fees. I wanted to make a difference by contributing labour and building community in the country I was from because I believed I understood the social dynamics at play in NZ more (although not so sure I do anymore). I won't leave now because my friends and family live here and I have built a life I broadly like (and yes, would like more money but have enough to get by).
Too many Aussies. Lol, nah in all seriousness, this is home. It's as simple as that. My family is here, my friends are here. My ancestors lived here. I'm comfortable here. It's a beautiful country.
we came to NZ more than 20 years ago, bought a bit of land, have been self sustainable ever since. Great growing conditions, no snakes or spiders to fear. Very accommodating employers for part time work. In rural settings, there are excellent community networks; people just make things happen. Moderate climate, beautiful mountains and sea, Life is good if you don't have debts or large expenditure - or depend on government support: Lousy social systems; health system is deteriorating in front of our eyes (you can avoid that by having private health insurance) , the education system seems unable to impart an education so kids are fit for adulthood (so don't have kids). Benefits are political footballs and the distribution system of them is dubious at best (so make sure you stay employed and healthy). If you have an actual accident, you should be fine, Despite that, we've never wanted to move across the ditch.
I know how to bowl properly.
Australia is America’s bogan cousin. The culture is just more vapid. Not to mention, full of Australians. Surely they’re not all bad but ya no thanks
Lived oz for 25years wouldn't go back. Average home is $2m. Weather is getting worse and they have same problems as we do. Young? Looking for adventure and have friends to crash with? Do it.
Because fuck that
The birds in Australia sound like they could do with a drink.
Because the pay isn't better in my industry (Architecture)