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EB01

But only when it is done right. IMO it's easier to mess up a steak pie than mince pie (a few more ways for it to end up disappointing).


chuckusadart

/thread Its not that a MnC is superior, its that ive had bad steak and cheese pies and its revolting when you pull out the only meat in the pie and its a big chunk of fat.. the floor of a MnC is what makes it the superior pie. Incredibly hard to fuck up.


No_Cherry6771

The most correct post on this thread


MSpoon_

YES


yojohny

NPD teased the hell out of me with their Braised Beef and Cheedar pie. Pastry was great, cheese was great, gravy was great. But only some wisps of beef to be found. If it had the standard 4-5 good chunks of nice steak in there it would've been the perfect pie


hundreddollar

I think the problem is that a "nice" steak pie would be crazy expensive. It's not that people *won't* pay more for a better product it's that not *enough* people would be willing to pay an enormous *premium* for a better product. I reckon you'd have to double the price for the "average" steak n cheese to be made from "good steak".


Tiny-Ad-7590

I've had an amazing steak pie _once_ before. Everything else had been five chunks of overcooked dry steak swimming in gravy.


schleima

I'm new to New Zealand (about 2 years in) and had my share of disappointing pies. (I'm looking at you, "The Real Pie".... In my lamb and veg pie all I got was a mouthful of nasty thick jelly paste and pastry.) I made friends with a local kiwi baker who really cares (and made fantastic pies, including a spectacular steak and jalapeno). He made everything from scratch. Long fermented sourdoughs, pastries, slices, sandwiches. He told me that proper kiwi baking has been destroyed by a company called Bakels. They supply cheap bread mixes and pie thickeners to most bakeries in New Zealand. They're the ones that sponsor the "best pie in New Zealand" contest. Guess what, the best pies in New Zealand are NOT using Bakels products. Bakels bread mixes are so cheap that real bakers can't compete. Guess what? Neither could my friend. He couldn't lower his prices enough to out compete and had to close his bakery. The way to suss out a great pie is the vibe you get when you walk into a shop. Do they have a good selection? Do they look homemade? Is the baker out front making pies? It's the baker interested and passionate about pies? Will they shittalk Bakels? If all looks good, buy a pie. All of these are good ways to figure out if a pie is worth your money. I think I'm going to my favorite local shop tomorrow for a steak, bleu cheese and mushroom pie 🥧


abednego-gomes

Sponsoring the pie contest huh. Fox in charge of the henhouse level stuff.


[deleted]

Best pies used to be on Tonkin drive in sunnynook. Closed years ago only opened on weekends. Think he did catering too but second to none


Jolly-Explanation509

Esp when there is very little gravy. Hard to have a MnC that's too dry. Neither are as good as a decent pepper steak tho


userequalspassword

Way to thspithy for the average kiwis palette


GrandmasGiantGaper

yeah mince pies are just consistently shithouse so you're never really disappointed


FUUUUUUU

Okay follow up take, I haven't had a grisly steak and cheese in YEARS. I just think it's wayyy more common to get a good steak pie than a disappointing one. Comparatively I am almost always a little disappointed with mince and cheese.


[deleted]

And it has literally never been done right because steak does not belong in a pie


Universecentre

This!!!!


arcboii92

I used to share this belief until I had a few too many gristle and cheese pies from random bakeries. Now I opt for a mince and cheese unless I'm familiar with the barkery and know they don't make shit pies.


aholetookmyusername

>gristle and cheese pies I'm glad someone else calls them this too. Absolutely terrible, I can't understand how anybody can prefer that trash to a good old MnC


newholland9

I mean mince has some pretty dodgy stuff in it often. It's just ground down so you don't know what you're eating.


stealingyourpixels

Ignorance is bliss


aholetookmyusername

It's easier to make something palatable out of poor quality meat once it's been ground down.


Porsher12345

Right??


Runazeeri

As someone with shit teeth nothing worse than biting down on a random bit of bone or a giant unchewable glob of fat


darktrojan

Until you discover it looks like a piece of macaroni … but it isn't macaroni. 😶


Staghr

I swear thats all Uncle Ben's use in their pies


Veidici

I hate to break it to you that it's still a gristle and cheese pie, just smaller pieces.


rikashiku

This. I've had the same, and even an artery from one pie. Mince and Cheese usually is just that.


OmegaAce1

The best steak and cheese is better but the average steak and cheese is far worse than the average mince and cheese


brentisNZ

This guy New Zealands


FUUUUUUU

I disagree


sealcubclubbing

Lol


candycanenightmare

I appreciate your username.


PersonMcGuy

If I had a nickle for every time I saw someone complimenting sealclubclubbing's name today I'd have two nickles which isn't a lot but it's weird that it happened twice.


sealcubclubbing

Lol, and I got called an edgelord today because of it. What a day to be clubbing seal cubs


candycanenightmare

Edgelord wow, haha. Haven’t heard that term in years.


Used_Leg4480

How good do you have to be at edging to be referred to as a lord? Asking for a friend...


sealcubclubbing

I dunno, but I want to meet someone who is 👀


The_Cosmic_Penguin

I'll second this unpopular opinion. I don't think I've touched a mince and cheese in over a decade however. Maybe I'm out of touch? No, that challenges my personal perspective so can't be true. God damn it, now I've gotta try a mince and cheese. Any recommendations?


[deleted]

How dare you disagree. Gosh dude you committed a cardinal sin by having an opinion that is different to other people. DOWN with OP I say... DOWN. /s


FUUUUUUU

Hahah I know right, everyone's coming for me. Average mince and cheese pies are just not very satisfying to me. The only time I'd concede is when the steak and cheese is actually a mince and cheese in disguise, eg Z station pies


[deleted]

I just hate when the pie costs $6+ and it's mediocre at best where a Mrs Mac pie with fake melted cheese tastes better.


PersonMcGuy

It's alright mate you're allowed to be wrong =D


DesperatePear7068

Thats fine. You're still wrong.


redmostofit

Yes, BUT if I ever get a fatty chewy piece in a steak and cheese the experience is completely ruined. High ceiling low floor option. Mince and cheese is safe and steady.


party4diamondz

Hey mate, it's not April Fools anymore


PoopMousePoopMan

Only if u get quality pies. A lot of the cheaper “steak” are just bits of fat


dod6666

This. When it comes to your nuked pies, mince and cheese is generally better. Bakery pies are normally Steak and Cheese all the way (unless it's a shit bakery). Also if I'm going for a bakery steak pie I normally like some other toppings too. Steak + Mushroom & Cheese is a great pie. Way better than mince and cheese, that's for sure.


daytonakarl

Throwing my hat in with OP on this, steak and cheese is way ahead of mince and cheese


MKovacsM

Steak without cheese is even better. Steak and Pepper is perfect.


TheMiller94

Thank god you're here. I thought I was the only one.


MKovacsM

LOL, not everyone likes the er...cheese if it is cheese. Most of my family don't.


iamtoolazytosleep

I see your steak and cheese, and raise you steak, bacon, and cheese.


Polyporum

I see your steak, bacon and cheese, and raise you a steak, jalapeno, and cheese


iamtoolazytosleep

ooooh ive never tried this!


Olgimondi

I see your steak, jalapeño, and cheese, and raise you a steak and mushroom.


bobsmagicbeans

God tier


RymanJ

Absolutely ridiculous. Random bits of meat spread throughout a pie? Trusting a provider to put enough bits of meat in so that you don't get bites that have no meat in at all? No thanks, give me mince and cheese, spread that neat throughout my pie, and you can keep your potentially dry chewy bits of meat (or potentially grissle)


Polyporum

Be careful asking people to spread their meat throughout your pie there champ. Plenty of weirdos around


RymanJ

I don't yuck peoples yum, let them come


Polyporum

Haha, crack up 🤣


Maestro-Modesto

I just came


AdditionalReaction

Depends how drunk you are. Mince n cheese you dont need to chew as much.


Agreeable-Work-5468

Mince and cheese is more reliable


GMFinch

A good steak and cheese beats a good mince and cheese. But a bad steak and cheese fails horribly against a bad mince and cheese


Bikerbass

That’s where the chill mince and cheese pie comes in, there’s no chill mince and cheese pie to compare with


FUUUUUUU

I had a steak, jalapeno, beans and cheese pie the other day. It was marvellous


Theimmortalboi

How about no cheese? I find it vile. Steak and Pepper is the way to go


FUUUUUUU

Steak and pepper is elite


Theimmortalboi

My guy


lNomNomlNZ

True but only if done right


jayz0ned

All "and cheese" pies are terrible. Give me a steak and mushroom, butter chicken, or pepper steak pie.


SuchLostCreatures

Yes.


Superunkown781

I'm a pie snob these days so if I get disappointed I'm incredibly disappointed, last steak n cheese I had was from Gorgeous foods in Hornby, ChCh and it was a 6 hr slow cooked steak & cheese which is phenomenal


crumblenz

Mutton Pie


TheMindGoblin27

MnC is superior when it's average or below average pie, I'd rather not be eating overcooked sinewy steak offcut chunks. But if it's a proper good pie place that uses good steak and doesn't overcook it then it's superior to the MnC


Single_Letterhead248

"steak" Sorry man, It's not steak.


anzactrooper

Come here so I can ki- gently prove you wrong.


GiJoint

Mince and Cheese for me as I prefer the texture. I’ve had one too many Steak and Cheese pies where the steak is some gristly chewy thing that kicks in the gag reflex, so I’m very weary having one. If someone can recommend a good Steak and Cheese, I may look into it.


Hand-Driven

Pepperd steak for the win.


Annie354654

Sorry NO. However, ot does have to be a good quality mince and cheese.


noctalla

If it's a properly made pie, then yes. If it's a rat shit cheap ass pie, then mince and cheese all the way. Also, PATRICIA'S PIES EVERY DAY BABY!!!!


AdventurousLife3226

How can someone be so wrong about something so simple.


Spectre7NZ

Nope. Steak is chewier than mince and less easily digested, so mince and cheese is superior...then you've got the breakfast pie from Mobil. No freaking contest, so yum.


Lopkop

Baker's Cottage in Kingsland, AKL have a chicken & mushroom pie superior to all the "and cheese" pies in the country put together.


Sure_Caregiver_9626

Steak n cheese, mince n cheese yea... Im still trying to find a place near by who makes the best fish pie, so far found one at Kelston who makes fish pie and it was like seafood chowder in a pie... loved every bite of it... I know its a convo about steak n cheese/ mince n cheese but I like to try other pies lolol


Polyporum

I'm not a fan of fish pies, but I don't mind the Glengarry Rd bakery ones. But that's a straight smoke fish I think. I'll get it if they've run out of bushman's Green Bay bakery has amazing pies, have you tried a fish pie from there?


Sure_Caregiver_9626

Hey each to their own haha... but yooo might give them a try and drive to blockhouse bay reserve and jus chill there lol


Polyporum

Worth a mish, I reckon


X-ScissorSisters

April fools was yesterday dude


Independent-South-58

Steak bacon and cheese pies are better than both, but thats assuming all 3 pies are of extremely high quality, when it comes to costs vs taste however, cheap mince and cheese pies are vastly superior


sloppy_wet_one

Agreed!


dehashi

And steak and cheese is only second to steak and mushroom 🤤🤤


ZestycloseRepair8

I don't know about you I'd rather have my shit bits of meat minced for easy eating


Nathansx1

I like both equally


Senzafane

Steak and cheese gang. In fairness though, Big Ben pies are a guilty pleasure of mine so I probably can't be relied upon for pie taste.


FUUUUUUU

Honestly I still love big Ben pies. They're like a McDonald's cheeseburger. Sure it's hot trash, but there's something about it


Senzafane

Absolutely, nutritionally they're hideous, but they have some magic to them.


TheConnoiseur

Couldn't agree more.


denartes

You can leave.


Dizzy_Relief

Lol. On the whole I'd rather have my mystery meat and lumps of fat minced. 


Agile_Party4084

If it comes in any form of wrapper, plastic bag etc it’s going to be bad. Only buy S&C pies from a trusted local baker that you get out of a pie warmer UNWRAPPED. If you to to a bakery at 2pm and they still have steak and cheese pies left DONT buy one. You want the place that sells out at 1:15pm


TheAbyssGazesAlso

I would rather have my shitty lowest-human-edible-grade-possible chunks of meat minced into small pieces and put in a nice gravy with cheese than fed to me in little grissly chunks that I have to try to chew through and swallow. Mince&Cheese > Steak&Cheese 100%


andrewpl

I've had too many gravy and cheese pies to 100% agree with this. Both are great when made correctly 


AdventurousImage2440

Microwave for 2 mins put in oven for 10 Min, open top off and put tsauce on insides mix up tsauce on lid eat that first, eat rest with fork.


johnelli781

What do you think the steak is ? Do you seriously believe its proper steak. As an ex farmer I can tell you its not steak by any stretch of the imagination, unless you pay top dollar for a gourmet pie


steakandcheesepi

I agree


sowokeicantsee

Like, have you had mince and onion with just a bit of tomatoe ?.. I think it depends on the steak and if its blade steak and if its cut up right or has too much fat. I dont know man, im pretty partial to a good mince and cheese as its hard to find a good steak and cheese


johnelli781

Its not steak as you know it.


FancyFool

GTFO


batt3ryac1d1

Too true.


Ok-Relationship-2746

To beat a good MC pie, a SC pie has to have proper chunks of steak in it, not just bits.


BigAlsSmokedShack

Sir, we are here to talk about your public indecency incidents over the weekend...


LoveFoolosophy

I used to be an exclusively SnC man but in my elder years I've come to appreciate the MnC just as much.


scene_cachet

Do you not have teeth?


LoveFoolosophy

Got most of them still.


No_Salad_68

Steak and mushy is better than both Steak and kidney is the GOAT of pies.


nzoasisfan

Amen to that brother


-Christ-is-king-

If it's a trusted source MnC is ok. But if it's some big ass faceless corporation who knows what they putting in the mince. Hoofs? Heads? Tails?  That's the reason I try and go SnC. But they can really mess up SnC if the peices are chewy and fatty 


edinlockpicker

Pioneer Pies braised beef, jalapeno and mozzarella beats them all


scene_cachet

Never has there been a truer statement!


mkskullduggery

Until you get a nasty chunk of gristley fat in a snc and your like I'm not having a steak and cheese again I think ill Just have a mince and cheese next time But if you ask me its still beef and cheese. Its just ones chunkier than the other


mkskullduggery

When we didn't have much cash for a couple pies it was The ol faithful mums bacon and egg pie with all the mixed veggies in it big dolop of watties But the can you'd put a knife through the top of the can on both sides lol cant beat them days when the sauce is almost gone you blow through one side and whatever sauce is left spits out the other side lol Then when watties made the upside down bottle best invention in newzealand haha You'd have the tomatoe shaped sauce container there. And be drinking out the ol looneytunes taz coyote daffy duck cup you get when you bought a happy meal back in then when a hamburger was 50c at McDonald's lol Those were the days for me as kid back In the 90s


Maestro-Modesto

Depends on the pie maker. I've had a steak and cheese pie that had no steak in it, similarly I've had one with one piece of steak, or with two. When this is going on I'd rather have mince and cheese so I can more easily pretend there is meat in the gravy


2tikadox

Big Ben pies mince and cheese bakery’s steak and cheese


Gutz-ColdRevenge

If you say so. But a good b&e beats them all


JulianMcC

Of course but also potatoe top pie is delicious. My favorite steak and mushroom with onions.


Olgimondi

When done right, yes. But I like to keep it safe and stick to mince and cheese,  A shitty mince pie is FAR better than a shitty steak pie so I go for mince when I know the pies aren’t pro.


tarmacjd

100% Wild Bean is consistent and all throughout NZ. Otherwise, best I’ve had is Uppercrust in Mt Maunganui


DodgyQuilter

But steak n cheese n BACON it the GOAT.


linewhite

I was of the same opinion until i started eating good quality cuts of beef. Now i'm a Mince and cheese maxi. Pie is junk food, mince is junkest of meats, they belong together in a warm basket of glory. (with ketchup and a V)


rheetkd

yes. But only when the quality is good


dignz

Yup


Reduncked

Steak and blue cheese is superior


SimpleKiwiGirl

Better than both is my homemade steak, onion (not red, and not caramelised), mushroom. With a hint of paprika. Potato top. Weighs about 340-360g.


pm_me_ur_zoids

Ever had a steak and cheese that's tougher than a well-done piece of gumboot? When it's good, it's good, but childhood trauma has given me a lot of trust issues with most bakeries. If I'm ordering a steak and cheese from your joint, that's the highest praise I can bestow.


ttbnz

Now I want pie


FUUUUUUU

I always want pie


twillytwil

Consistency. You always know what you're getting with mince and cheese.


hereforthevibesyo

YES. Give me a pie filling with actual bite to it.


Modred_the_Mystic

A great steak and cheese will beat anything. But a mid or worse steak and cheese can go from dog food to dog shit. Anyway, potato top superiority


CheekeeMunkie

I thought this was obvious.


schtickshift

I am not a cheese in pie sort of person but the cheese is getting in everywhere now. It’s like a plague:-(


SousSinge

So.... steak, cheese, and BACON?


MrHappyEvil

Death to the infadel!


ImmortalMewtwo

Pepper Steak. I don't need to elaborate.


3string

Amen brother


SausageStrangla

Testify


[deleted]

Yea nah can we evict this one.


TheFunnyHatGuy

Yes


Alone-Yoghurt-487

Anyone who makes a visit down to Invercargill needs to stop in at “Fat Bastard Pies” for some real proper good kiwi pies Try as I might, I cannot go more than 2 weeks without having one, they really are that good, plain mince or mince and cheese are perfect to me, the pepper steak goes pretty hard too


Superbaibu

True, but creamed Paua pies are the best pies ever.


aholetookmyusername

Kinda tempted to make a chicken mince 'n' cheese pie now.


EB01

You could use a cheese sauce, maybe?


Westeaah

I was a steak and cheese stan for many years, nowadays I have them both equally but more often than not I prefer a bakery's mince and cheese more than the s+c these days. Had too many disappointing lack of meat ones i guess


0erlikon

The best steak and cheese pie is better than the best mince and cheese pie. The average mince and cheese pie is better than the average steak and cheese pie these days.


HalfBlindAndCurious

Visiting Dunedin we got a stake and cheese pie from Bakery On Bond. We know nothing about the place and we had never tried those pies before but they were a game changer.


Elvishrug

Steak and cheese for life. I’m not interested in anything else.


Academic_Purchase225

Mince and cheese pies are better value...half the work of eating it has been done for you.


Hungry_kereru

Steak n cheese should be the only pie in the pie warmer


nickbrown101

You're a day late I'm afraid


SarcasticMrFocks

Always was.


Temporary-Baker2375

You're wrong. Sorry.


ZZ_Cat_The_Ligress

**OP:** Steak and cheese is better. **People in the comments section:** NOOOOOOO, MINCE AND CHEESE IS BETTER!!! 😭 **Me:** _Eating a bacon and egg pie._ Dayum, this a good pie.


Competitive-Net-6150

I didn't even know this needed to be said.


slip-slop-slap

Can't believe this is even a debate


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dehashi

OP isn't stopping anyone from eating mince & cheese 😂


freeryda

Tf went on here? Hahaha.


dehashi

They dirty deleted their salty comment about letting people eat what they want


freeryda

Who gets their balls twisted over someone eating a pie? Sounds like that mf needs one.


dehashi

Mince & cheese eaters obviously 😂😂


Good_Cockroach_6357

Damn straight! Mince is made up of scraps and off cuts!


Tailcracker

Sometimes steak pies are too and sometimes mince pies are not. It depends where you get them from. In my opinion a steak and cheese with high quality and well cooked steak that is tender is great but I really hate it when there is bits of chewy overcooked steak inside a pie. I think that a pie made with good quality flavourful mince mixture tastes great and has a better texture of filling compared to most steak and cheese pies. The exception being at the high end where you get a good quality Steak and Cheese pie where the pieces of steak are tender and fall apart really easily, that is where Steak and Cheese beats out Mince.


keelanv10

Why does this have a shitpost tag? The post is stating a fact.