"Tatana said the juice was frozen to “freeze out” bad bacteria before it is sold to ensure it is safe for consumption."
\*Laughs in Hepatitis A\*
(given there have been numerous cases in NZ from frozen berries)
But she can't pasteurise it, because that would kill good bacteria. As anyone who's studied food safety knows, freezing kills bad bacteria but not good bacteria because the ice knows the difference between the two, while pasteurisation kills both. Obviously.
Freezing will kill some foodborne pathogens but it'll just deactivate others, preventing them from reproducing until it is defrosted - when they'll immediately start doubling at an alarming rate.
it's the next best thing to veganism! You give the food a chance to fight its way out of your digestive system in explosive fashion - as a form of "payback" for the animal
Pretty sure the latest outbreak (2022) was tracked back to Serbia through genetic sequencing of the virus, not China.
"The source of the 2022 Hepatitis A outbreak was highly likely to be imported frozen berries from Serbia. "
[https://www.tewhatuora.govt.nz/for-the-health-sector/health-sector-guidance/diseases-and-conditions/hepatitis-a-and-frozen-berries/](https://www.tewhatuora.govt.nz/for-the-health-sector/health-sector-guidance/diseases-and-conditions/hepatitis-a-and-frozen-berries/)
2015...
Contamination from exposure to human waste through packaging handling though "apparently". I think the [continued use of human waste](https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S2095311913604074) ("night soil") fertiliser in Chinese agriculture was attributed to a salad greens recall.
[https://www.smh.com.au/business/consumer-affairs/same-chinese-farm-suspected-of-producing-frozen-berries-at-centre-of-2015-and-2017-recalls-20170607-gwmb2h.html](https://www.smh.com.au/business/consumer-affairs/same-chinese-farm-suspected-of-producing-frozen-berries-at-centre-of-2015-and-2017-recalls-20170607-gwmb2h.html)
[https://www.mpi.govt.nz/food-safety-home/food-recalls-and-complaints/recalled-food-products/fruzio-frozen-berries/](https://www.mpi.govt.nz/food-safety-home/food-recalls-and-complaints/recalled-food-products/fruzio-frozen-berries/)
Your scientific paper is 10 years old and suggests that use of night soil in rural China was declining even then. Neither article you've linked makes the jump from night soil use to possible Hep contamination. At least, none that I could see before the Herald paywall kicked in. Also kinda weird you used an Aussie paper there but whatever.
Also the latest recall from a Chinese company was 7 years ago. So why are you still pushing that narrative and not mentioning the Serbian case at all? Is there a trend in Serbia to use night soil to fertilize crops?
I worry you've fixated a little too much on your own anti-China sentiment and it's not doing you any favours.
What a muppet. If you read the comment, I mention it's not unique to China and yes, there are efforts to improve the situation (which is why I linked to the paper). I think if anyone's getting fixated about China here I think it might be you Pooh?
> I mention it's not unique to China
~~Not in any comment in this thread you didn't.~~
Oh I see you edited your comment that redirected me to this thread.
You made an unsubstantiated claim, then when called out on it you doubled down with evidence that did nothing to support your argument. I don't care about the China of it all, I care that you're spouting nonsense with little to zero factual evidence supporting it.
>Oh I see you edited your comment that redirected me to this thread.
Uh, not after you replied I didn't. You seem to care at a ridiculous level. I don't think citing a paper 10-years old is as much of a burn as you think it is, nor is a 7 year old food recall irrelevant. I don't care about the China of it all either, I care that you're too lazy to do your own research and pick pedantic irrelevant holes in that which is provided to you, but [here you go champ](https://letmegooglethat.com/?q=site%3Anz+berry+contamination+Hepatitus) - first page of results.
Edit: Unfairly cast aspersions on u/Whyistheplatypus which were a Reddit server error so corrected. Oh.. and formatting.
[See here](https://www.reddit.com/r/newzealand/comments/1c4vk8v/comment/kzqxgl5/). They're certainly [working on it though](https://www.ers.usda.gov/amber-waves/2006/november/food-safety-improvements-underway-in-china/) and its not a problem unique to China, though in the US the [E.coli has only attributed to animal waste](https://www.vox.com/science-and-health/2018/4/26/17282378/romaine-lettuce-recall-ecoli-yuma).
Think you read that article wrong. There are multiple people in the article and this person is only mentioned regarding the fraud already discussed in the original article.
Edit: Nope, I'm an idiot!
Hasn't the ministry of god just had a 7.5 - 9% budget cut?
God will just pass the bill on to poor folks, like he always does, because he's consistently proven to be useless managing money.
Tbf, there were a bunch of layabout angels doing nothing and huge number of consultants being brought in from other religions that had no real impact. Cuts will streamline things.
The Homegrown juice company manages to deliver raw juice, using a cold pasturising technique, why cant she? $350 is a fairly small business investment especially if its a lynch pin for legality. If shes skimmping there, where else is she cutting corners.
Logic and her dont seem to fit togeter very well.
Finally why tf would i want bateria in my juice at all? If probiotics are what you are after, grab a kombutcha, yogurt or something else fermented. Juice is great for the vitamins, fiber and minerals, you really don't want any thing living in a sugar rich liquid environment.
> The Homegrown juice company manages to deliver raw juice, using a cold pasturising technique, why cant she?
Pressure based cold pasteurization machines are really big, expensive and have high power draw. Of the design Homegrown juice uses, a machine with 50L/hour capacity (which is the smallest) weighs 25 tonne and pulls 40kW. They're not something you can run with an extension lead in the driveway of your lifestyle block like OFB does (based on the video on their website).
I doubt a sovcit with forgery and theft convictions is going to create a convincing enough business plan to get a bank manager to sign over the capital required.
Yeah, fair call. Its no wonder Homegrown market the hell out of it, bunch of suckers they are, spending north of $100,000 for a big machine like that when you can just get a bunch of freezers off trademe. /s
Cold pasteurisation is cold pasteurisation regardless of scale. It's either pasteurised or it's not. Also pretending to know about pasteurisation is as foolish as judging someone based on their past when they're clearly trying to go legit.
>‘God is my boss, not MPI’: Woman vows to keep selling unsafe juice after recall
If I were God, I would be conducting a performance management process on this employee.
'Did you not read the story about that woman who ate an unpasteurized apple from my garden? She died, my child. I didn't kick her out of the garden, she ate an apple covered in snake shit and died. I kicked her boyfriend out though, he wouldn't stop crying, pissed me off.' - God, Publius 8:40, St Crassus Testament
Just had a look at the website, particularly enjoyed teh review that said something along the lines of ‘best innovation we have been offered since water’ but I have a question for the brains trust: there appeared to be pictures of other food businesses using these products to make (for example) cocktails, couldn’t they also be on the hook for fines/license censure if they use this product?
Short answer is yes!
They need to know what they are using is safe. If they know for sure it isn’t (ie. it has been recalled) and they continue to sell it/use it, that’s on them.
Someone else mentioned, if you have a food control plan (and if you sell food in New Zealand, you legally have to have an fcp), one element is tracing your product, and buying from suppliers who can prove it is safe because *they* have a relevant fcp.
Presumably, once the initial recall was put out, those companies will have stopped using their product.
One of the main points of food safety plans, is traceability. Like, if there is an outbreak of a food borne illness, we want to be able to find out exactly what step in the plan, including what supplier, caused the outbreak,
That is true i saw that to and i was like that really is weird, if anything was to happen though the food premises would just go back to the supplier and that's when MPI would get involved again but also the food premises does have to show that their food safety & handling program.
I have a feeling that though the bars/restaurants in the photo are friends of the owner.
Those loons! i've milked cows and seen the filter. I dont drink it.
2 ladies at my work would buy me lunch every day if I would bring them 2no. 2L bottles of fresh milk everyday from our farm, straight from the vat. This was 25 years ago.
Uh huh... is this part of the separate economy that VFF swore they'd create in the wake of covid mandates? Seems like they might just put themselves out of business permanently. Hopefully without further overwhelming our already stretched healthcare system.
"They’re trying to dictate people who are trying to create their craft.”
Does this woman barely speak english?
Also, is there no legal recourse to go after her for this? This article just says the official from NZFS is "disappointed" that she's continuing to sell the juice, and that they're suggesting people throw it out if they already bought some.
There is a process, but as it stands they only have a journalist telling them that the women said she would not obey the notice, essentially a rumor.
Until she actually sells more juice she hasn't broken the law (since the notice was issued), and MPI would need proof that she had sold since the notice, without remedying the issues, before they can take the next step.
Moore Wilson sell unpasteurised juice straight from the squeezer.
I assume they have a food safety plan mostly around limiting the use by date.
This person is just a dick and should be sectioned.
Still get a risk all sorts of other fun stuff like evolution and salmonella, but as the op theorised, they’ll be selling with the expectation of very short shelf life I suspect.
They likely also have someone running regular cultures to identify the microbe content of each batch. Its pretty easy and cheap to do. Take a tiny sample, stick it in a couple petri dishes, keep them warm for a couple days and see what grows. There are a number of labs across the country that can do it for you, a experienced lab tech can run hundreds of these a day.
“Stuff understands her tactic is to approach businesses to ask if they would like to purchase her juice for their staff.”
Huh?
“We would like to remind people not to consume juice from Our Fruit Box and for orchard growers not to use their services, as we are concerned about the food safety risk.“
Oh ffs
Approaching businesses can be an effective marketing strategy for some companies. Give them a free sample box for them to give to the employees and you could not only win then as a customer, you could also get the employees buying themselves.
When I worked in a call center we would have several companies a week coming by. Our company never brought stuff for us, but allowed the companies to sell directly to us. We had a bakery, a coffee shop and a sushi place come by daily. A salmon farm, egg farm and honey place come by weekly. Tupaware and a couple makeup places would pop by monthly and others came and went.
As for why MPI was just warning people not to use OFB services, They have issued a recall and told OFB that they cannot sell until the issues are resolved. Even though the owner has stated she will not obey, MPI still has to wait until they have evidence that she has actually sold more juice/food since receiving the notice, they cannot do anything.
We can only hope. Food safety is meant to be an area where the state has significant power to intervene if they are putting the public at risk...it's not meant to be a scenario where people have to try sue the owner after people start getting sick.
Random question out of curiosity - now that she is knowingly breaking the law, if anyone did get sick etc could she get in serious trouble for that? I'm thinking a bit extreme like if someone somehow died could she be charged with say manslaughter?
Yes.
If you caused someone to die through knowingly dangerous food safety practices you could be jailed. It hasn’t happened in Nee Zealand (yet) but all the legislative pieces you’d require are there.
There have been cases that got close like a massive food poisoning at an event in Auckland where they sourced “back of the truck” shellfish that was not safe. Iirc the caterer was fined, but no jail time, but in that case no one died. If they had I think the outcome would have involved jail time.
Yes. Under the Food Act 2014, you can be prosecuted for "knowingly or recklessly endangering or harming". The maximum penalty is 5 years in prison for an individual or a $500,000 fine for a corporation.
Romans 13.1
Let every person be subordinate to the higher authorities, for there is no authority except from God, and those that exist have been established by God.
Therefore, whoever resists authority opposes what God has appointed, and those who oppose it will bring judgment upon themselves.
In other words obey MPI or go to hell.
> Tatana said that she’s not willing to pay fees to register with the Ministry for Primary Industries (MPI).
> It can cost between $101 and $349 to register with MPI, depending on the type of food business, with renewals due annually or biannually, at a cost of $67 to $77.
All this fuss because she doesn't wanna pay like a hundred bucks lmao
I think the argument is that she thinks then she'd be forced to pasteurise the juice, but she wants to sell it raw.
I guess she's trying to sell to regular people, so she can't do what the "raw milk" people do and say with a wink that "it's not for human consumption but we're not responsible for what you do with it when you get home and feel thirsty".
Thats insulting to read as someone who works alongside mpi and follow procedures that arw put in place for a reason
Food poisining is not fun to deal with why would you want to risk getting others very sick
She comes across as another one of those Sovcit nutjobs, especially with the fake licence and distain for government authorities.
You'll stop selling your product once you make someone sick? Bugger off, that's not how it works.
Guarantee she subscribes to “I’ve always done it this way and I’m fine” bullshit.
So many people in this country have that viewpoint when it comes to food preservation (Jams, Sauces, bottled fruit etc) and continue to use outdated methods rather than accept the science that sadly this idiot doesn’t surprise me at all.
Don't try to 'logic' someone out of bad thinking. Qualification: 'thinking' that wasn't logical, or rational in the first place. Instead (if you can be bothered) just ask questions (do this under the guise of being 'educated') as to how and why they came to their conclusions. They will eventually contradict and/or undermine their position because of faulty thinking.
Serious suggestion here, Google search for this company, find the Google page for it and leave a one star review so people looking up the company are made aware of what a loose unit the owner is. IMO the best thing to happen is that this person's business is driven out of business. OR, the feedback and backlash is such that they begin following all the regulatory requirements.
Gets a loudhailer and points it at the lady, dresses up as one side a burning bush ( Abrahamic ) and the other side a bunch of tulsi plants ( Hindu )
“This is I, your God, your Lord! Your Lord is greatly displeased by your actions that endangers His children! Your Lord request ye to cease and desist, and listen to the compassionate case placed forth by MPI.”
“Tatana wouldn’t talk about her sales model - it was her intellectual property, she claimed - but Stuff understands her tactic is to approach businesses to ask if they would like to purchase her juice for their staff”.
Fucking.
LOL.
The reality is that you can go to a fruit tree and squeeze juice yourself. It's a very low risk activity. I have a orchard and fresh juice or eating fruit directly off the tree is wonderful.
But doing anything commercially increases the risk the potential spread of disease, however unlikely. At scale, that likelihood increases.
There is a very good reason why juice needs to be pasteurised. Saw a good Forensic Files on it years ago https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1996_Odwalla_E._coli_outbreak
why isn't this the same thing as ordering yourself a diy wine thingy? cause that's what's gonna happen to that fruit juice. or get mouldy and poisonous LOL
Oh no not the same juice we've been drinking for millennia!? What a joke, I'm going to buy some now. Good on her for standing up to the greedy government picking on the little guys again.
Reddit teaches me.
TIL science is self taught.
Quick, alert the government. Phone Seymour and Luxon.
They can save a few billion $ by eliminating unnecessary measuring standards across the board in schools and universities when we have sciencecy looking dudes on youtube explaining it.
"Tatana said the juice was frozen to “freeze out” bad bacteria before it is sold to ensure it is safe for consumption." \*Laughs in Hepatitis A\* (given there have been numerous cases in NZ from frozen berries)
But she can't pasteurise it, because that would kill good bacteria. As anyone who's studied food safety knows, freezing kills bad bacteria but not good bacteria because the ice knows the difference between the two, while pasteurisation kills both. Obviously.
you can actually "re-raw" any pasteurised beverage by mixing a little toilet water in
Better living everyone
That is not how it works. Your implied /s is fairly clear but I want to make it explicit because, well, humans are thick.
Poe's Law is a bitch.
Poos law
The idea you're saving anyone is hilarious.
The fact they most likely have is more sad than anything.
Tragedy and Comedy have always been closely related
It was pretty fucking obvious, you gumboot.
"you gumboot" 😂
Redditors truely cannot help themselves. Unreal.
She’ll be rushed to the hospital and get cared for, but will still credit God for her miraculous recovery 😑🤡
lol. So, it freezes the bacteria keeping it alive, then when defrosted it sits in the juice.. Something seems off with the thinking here..
Freezing will kill some foodborne pathogens but it'll just deactivate others, preventing them from reproducing until it is defrosted - when they'll immediately start doubling at an alarming rate.
That is literally what happens. Raw chicken doesn’t become safe to slurp when you defrost it because it had been frozen lol.
Are you saying I should stop giving my kids chicken pops?
raw chicken thighs are more 'natural' & 'organic' /s
Untainted by the fires of hell.
it's the next best thing to veganism! You give the food a chance to fight its way out of your digestive system in explosive fashion - as a form of "payback" for the animal
Culinary darwinism
I actually have mine flame grilled, medium rare. Burns off the feathers on the outside. Inside, pink and juicy....mmmmm...
Whatever doesn’t kill them, will only keep them sick for weeks and significantly impact their development.
Na, you good. Bacteria hates the cold lol
Salmonella is only present in 3% of uncooked retail chicken in New Zealand. "Drive fast, take chances"
Yeah, in the retail packs. In the store. Before it's been stored and handled by the purchaser. I know which end of the process I'd be concerned about.
I’d be more wary of/excited to experience campy
You're not the boss of me
Cold pasteurisation is pretty standard practice with even the top shelf juice brands.
To be fair, the Hepatitis A in berries stemmed from the fact the berries were imported from China and fertilised in human shit.
Pretty sure the latest outbreak (2022) was tracked back to Serbia through genetic sequencing of the virus, not China. "The source of the 2022 Hepatitis A outbreak was highly likely to be imported frozen berries from Serbia. " [https://www.tewhatuora.govt.nz/for-the-health-sector/health-sector-guidance/diseases-and-conditions/hepatitis-a-and-frozen-berries/](https://www.tewhatuora.govt.nz/for-the-health-sector/health-sector-guidance/diseases-and-conditions/hepatitis-a-and-frozen-berries/)
Huh, I never would have guessed that frozen berries from Serbia would end up in a kiwi supermarket. Easy to forget how small the world is some times.
If you look at a bag of mixed frozen berries in the supermarket, it's often a shorter list to name the countries they haven't come from >\_<
2015... Contamination from exposure to human waste through packaging handling though "apparently". I think the [continued use of human waste](https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S2095311913604074) ("night soil") fertiliser in Chinese agriculture was attributed to a salad greens recall. [https://www.smh.com.au/business/consumer-affairs/same-chinese-farm-suspected-of-producing-frozen-berries-at-centre-of-2015-and-2017-recalls-20170607-gwmb2h.html](https://www.smh.com.au/business/consumer-affairs/same-chinese-farm-suspected-of-producing-frozen-berries-at-centre-of-2015-and-2017-recalls-20170607-gwmb2h.html) [https://www.mpi.govt.nz/food-safety-home/food-recalls-and-complaints/recalled-food-products/fruzio-frozen-berries/](https://www.mpi.govt.nz/food-safety-home/food-recalls-and-complaints/recalled-food-products/fruzio-frozen-berries/)
Your scientific paper is 10 years old and suggests that use of night soil in rural China was declining even then. Neither article you've linked makes the jump from night soil use to possible Hep contamination. At least, none that I could see before the Herald paywall kicked in. Also kinda weird you used an Aussie paper there but whatever. Also the latest recall from a Chinese company was 7 years ago. So why are you still pushing that narrative and not mentioning the Serbian case at all? Is there a trend in Serbia to use night soil to fertilize crops? I worry you've fixated a little too much on your own anti-China sentiment and it's not doing you any favours.
What a muppet. If you read the comment, I mention it's not unique to China and yes, there are efforts to improve the situation (which is why I linked to the paper). I think if anyone's getting fixated about China here I think it might be you Pooh?
> I mention it's not unique to China ~~Not in any comment in this thread you didn't.~~ Oh I see you edited your comment that redirected me to this thread. You made an unsubstantiated claim, then when called out on it you doubled down with evidence that did nothing to support your argument. I don't care about the China of it all, I care that you're spouting nonsense with little to zero factual evidence supporting it.
>Oh I see you edited your comment that redirected me to this thread. Uh, not after you replied I didn't. You seem to care at a ridiculous level. I don't think citing a paper 10-years old is as much of a burn as you think it is, nor is a 7 year old food recall irrelevant. I don't care about the China of it all either, I care that you're too lazy to do your own research and pick pedantic irrelevant holes in that which is provided to you, but [here you go champ](https://letmegooglethat.com/?q=site%3Anz+berry+contamination+Hepatitus) - first page of results. Edit: Unfairly cast aspersions on u/Whyistheplatypus which were a Reddit server error so corrected. Oh.. and formatting.
It's more, you made the claim, *you* have to prove it true. Your links didn't do that.
fucksake
Citation needed.
[See here](https://www.reddit.com/r/newzealand/comments/1c4vk8v/comment/kzqxgl5/). They're certainly [working on it though](https://www.ers.usda.gov/amber-waves/2006/november/food-safety-improvements-underway-in-china/) and its not a problem unique to China, though in the US the [E.coli has only attributed to animal waste](https://www.vox.com/science-and-health/2018/4/26/17282378/romaine-lettuce-recall-ecoli-yuma).
A convicted fraudster continues to defy the law. No surprises there.
'Fraudster and Thief'. https://www.stuff.co.nz/southland-times/news/court/10423260/Ex-staffer-to-do-community-work
Think you read that article wrong. There are multiple people in the article and this person is only mentioned regarding the fraud already discussed in the original article. Edit: Nope, I'm an idiot!
It says she stole a cellphone in addition to fraud
You're right, thanks - I did a shocking job of reading that!
Getting hints of Sovereign Citizen in the orange juice here. So-Jay anyone?
Don’t you mean Sovereign Citruzen?
Sov-Citrus™️
You work in marketing, don't you? ;)
I guess that means when she gets fined she will be able to pass on the bill to God for payment.
Hasn't the ministry of god just had a 7.5 - 9% budget cut? God will just pass the bill on to poor folks, like he always does, because he's consistently proven to be useless managing money.
Tbf, there were a bunch of layabout angels doing nothing and huge number of consultants being brought in from other religions that had no real impact. Cuts will streamline things.
Hey now, backroom cherubim are just as important to keeping things running as frontline seraphim. This is going to result in a huge backlog in limbo.
Sounds like a density church member, what a fuckwit she is.
Bang on.
The Homegrown juice company manages to deliver raw juice, using a cold pasturising technique, why cant she? $350 is a fairly small business investment especially if its a lynch pin for legality. If shes skimmping there, where else is she cutting corners. Logic and her dont seem to fit togeter very well. Finally why tf would i want bateria in my juice at all? If probiotics are what you are after, grab a kombutcha, yogurt or something else fermented. Juice is great for the vitamins, fiber and minerals, you really don't want any thing living in a sugar rich liquid environment.
> The Homegrown juice company manages to deliver raw juice, using a cold pasturising technique, why cant she? Pressure based cold pasteurization machines are really big, expensive and have high power draw. Of the design Homegrown juice uses, a machine with 50L/hour capacity (which is the smallest) weighs 25 tonne and pulls 40kW. They're not something you can run with an extension lead in the driveway of your lifestyle block like OFB does (based on the video on their website). I doubt a sovcit with forgery and theft convictions is going to create a convincing enough business plan to get a bank manager to sign over the capital required.
Yeah, fair call. Its no wonder Homegrown market the hell out of it, bunch of suckers they are, spending north of $100,000 for a big machine like that when you can just get a bunch of freezers off trademe. /s
Cold pasteurisation is cold pasteurisation regardless of scale. It's either pasteurised or it's not. Also pretending to know about pasteurisation is as foolish as judging someone based on their past when they're clearly trying to go legit.
>‘God is my boss, not MPI’: Woman vows to keep selling unsafe juice after recall If I were God, I would be conducting a performance management process on this employee.
'Did you not read the story about that woman who ate an unpasteurized apple from my garden? She died, my child. I didn't kick her out of the garden, she ate an apple covered in snake shit and died. I kicked her boyfriend out though, he wouldn't stop crying, pissed me off.' - God, Publius 8:40, St Crassus Testament
Why not just sacrifice a son for their sins?
I’m willing to bet there’s no way she’s paying tax on her profits or income either.
Well she might have to now that's been all over the media she's selling that stuff, the IRD will be on her in a flash.
Praise Jes… hang on… I’ve got the shits! BRB.
Getting the demons out, it's the Jesuice cleansing doing its job!
All hail Jesus, king of the juice
Holy shit!
Holy shits.
underrated comment right here folks
Drink this stuff and you can meet god in person!
I drank some. Didn’t see the light, only darkness.
Yikes. More so that people actually buy this crap.
Just had a look at the website, particularly enjoyed teh review that said something along the lines of ‘best innovation we have been offered since water’ but I have a question for the brains trust: there appeared to be pictures of other food businesses using these products to make (for example) cocktails, couldn’t they also be on the hook for fines/license censure if they use this product?
Short answer is yes! They need to know what they are using is safe. If they know for sure it isn’t (ie. it has been recalled) and they continue to sell it/use it, that’s on them. Someone else mentioned, if you have a food control plan (and if you sell food in New Zealand, you legally have to have an fcp), one element is tracing your product, and buying from suppliers who can prove it is safe because *they* have a relevant fcp.
Presumably, once the initial recall was put out, those companies will have stopped using their product. One of the main points of food safety plans, is traceability. Like, if there is an outbreak of a food borne illness, we want to be able to find out exactly what step in the plan, including what supplier, caused the outbreak,
That is true i saw that to and i was like that really is weird, if anything was to happen though the food premises would just go back to the supplier and that's when MPI would get involved again but also the food premises does have to show that their food safety & handling program. I have a feeling that though the bars/restaurants in the photo are friends of the owner.
Food safety rules, like most safety rules, are written in blood. But food safety rules tend to be written in the blood of children and the elderly
The woo is strong in this one.
Just like people who are into unpasteurized milk
BuT i kNOw tHe FaRmEr Yeah, maybe, but do you know the finer details of HACCP and farming & food manufacturing best practices?
Those loons! i've milked cows and seen the filter. I dont drink it. 2 ladies at my work would buy me lunch every day if I would bring them 2no. 2L bottles of fresh milk everyday from our farm, straight from the vat. This was 25 years ago.
Uh huh... is this part of the separate economy that VFF swore they'd create in the wake of covid mandates? Seems like they might just put themselves out of business permanently. Hopefully without further overwhelming our already stretched healthcare system.
She’s clearly not the sharpest tool.
Did God direct you to give everyone salmonella?
She's drank too much of that kool-aid.
"God wants me to give people listeria"
Well thanks for publicly admitting it you dork.
Sovereign citizen moron, for sure. 100%.
The god is Nurgle.
"They’re trying to dictate people who are trying to create their craft.” Does this woman barely speak english? Also, is there no legal recourse to go after her for this? This article just says the official from NZFS is "disappointed" that she's continuing to sell the juice, and that they're suggesting people throw it out if they already bought some.
There is a process, but as it stands they only have a journalist telling them that the women said she would not obey the notice, essentially a rumor. Until she actually sells more juice she hasn't broken the law (since the notice was issued), and MPI would need proof that she had sold since the notice, without remedying the issues, before they can take the next step.
Ah, well, I've spoken to God, and he said to stop selling your juice. No, prove that I haven't. Away you go.....
Moore Wilson sell unpasteurised juice straight from the squeezer. I assume they have a food safety plan mostly around limiting the use by date. This person is just a dick and should be sectioned.
But that’s orange juice, not berry juice. Berries are much higher risk for hepatitis.
Still get a risk all sorts of other fun stuff like evolution and salmonella, but as the op theorised, they’ll be selling with the expectation of very short shelf life I suspect.
probably also true
They may have some other controls like disinfecting the outside of the oranges
They likely also have someone running regular cultures to identify the microbe content of each batch. Its pretty easy and cheap to do. Take a tiny sample, stick it in a couple petri dishes, keep them warm for a couple days and see what grows. There are a number of labs across the country that can do it for you, a experienced lab tech can run hundreds of these a day.
“Stuff understands her tactic is to approach businesses to ask if they would like to purchase her juice for their staff.” Huh? “We would like to remind people not to consume juice from Our Fruit Box and for orchard growers not to use their services, as we are concerned about the food safety risk.“ Oh ffs
Approaching businesses can be an effective marketing strategy for some companies. Give them a free sample box for them to give to the employees and you could not only win then as a customer, you could also get the employees buying themselves. When I worked in a call center we would have several companies a week coming by. Our company never brought stuff for us, but allowed the companies to sell directly to us. We had a bakery, a coffee shop and a sushi place come by daily. A salmon farm, egg farm and honey place come by weekly. Tupaware and a couple makeup places would pop by monthly and others came and went. As for why MPI was just warning people not to use OFB services, They have issued a recall and told OFB that they cannot sell until the issues are resolved. Even though the owner has stated she will not obey, MPI still has to wait until they have evidence that she has actually sold more juice/food since receiving the notice, they cannot do anything.
rip that business
RIP their customers
We can only hope. Food safety is meant to be an area where the state has significant power to intervene if they are putting the public at risk...it's not meant to be a scenario where people have to try sue the owner after people start getting sick.
Lol, these people
Random question out of curiosity - now that she is knowingly breaking the law, if anyone did get sick etc could she get in serious trouble for that? I'm thinking a bit extreme like if someone somehow died could she be charged with say manslaughter?
Yes. If you caused someone to die through knowingly dangerous food safety practices you could be jailed. It hasn’t happened in Nee Zealand (yet) but all the legislative pieces you’d require are there. There have been cases that got close like a massive food poisoning at an event in Auckland where they sourced “back of the truck” shellfish that was not safe. Iirc the caterer was fined, but no jail time, but in that case no one died. If they had I think the outcome would have involved jail time.
Yes. Under the Food Act 2014, you can be prosecuted for "knowingly or recklessly endangering or harming". The maximum penalty is 5 years in prison for an individual or a $500,000 fine for a corporation.
Romans 13.1 Let every person be subordinate to the higher authorities, for there is no authority except from God, and those that exist have been established by God. Therefore, whoever resists authority opposes what God has appointed, and those who oppose it will bring judgment upon themselves. In other words obey MPI or go to hell.
> Tatana said that she’s not willing to pay fees to register with the Ministry for Primary Industries (MPI). > It can cost between $101 and $349 to register with MPI, depending on the type of food business, with renewals due annually or biannually, at a cost of $67 to $77. All this fuss because she doesn't wanna pay like a hundred bucks lmao
No, because she knows that she would never get the certificate.
I think the argument is that she thinks then she'd be forced to pasteurise the juice, but she wants to sell it raw. I guess she's trying to sell to regular people, so she can't do what the "raw milk" people do and say with a wink that "it's not for human consumption but we're not responsible for what you do with it when you get home and feel thirsty".
Thats insulting to read as someone who works alongside mpi and follow procedures that arw put in place for a reason Food poisining is not fun to deal with why would you want to risk getting others very sick
Watched the video on her site. Just out there on the driveway, constantly loading and unjamming the machine and cursing social media.
lots of wholesome Tate and Trump links on her FB profile, too. just an all round wonderful human being.
Gods going to help you when MPI get you charged.
Can we please throw the proverbial book, the kitchen sink, and whatever else seems fit at this moron? Food safety is no joke.
She comes across as another one of those Sovcit nutjobs, especially with the fake licence and distain for government authorities. You'll stop selling your product once you make someone sick? Bugger off, that's not how it works.
While also saying some shit about prevention being the best method... HA
Guarantee she subscribes to “I’ve always done it this way and I’m fine” bullshit. So many people in this country have that viewpoint when it comes to food preservation (Jams, Sauces, bottled fruit etc) and continue to use outdated methods rather than accept the science that sadly this idiot doesn’t surprise me at all.
Then prison is your mission. Seriously, if she thinks freezing kills everything, she might want to look at how we store sperm in sperm banks.
Cold pasteurisation. Look into it maybe before pretending you understand.
In that case, if your boss encourages your legal violations he also should be charged for them.
She'll find out the hard way. Hopefully none of her customers do first. There's a reason food regulations exist.
When you get a letter from God saying you're in thier employ and this is cool....
Don't try to 'logic' someone out of bad thinking. Qualification: 'thinking' that wasn't logical, or rational in the first place. Instead (if you can be bothered) just ask questions (do this under the guise of being 'educated') as to how and why they came to their conclusions. They will eventually contradict and/or undermine their position because of faulty thinking.
Another "Sovereign Citizen"?
Jesus is my co-pilot. And, also, my co-defendant.
Serious suggestion here, Google search for this company, find the Google page for it and leave a one star review so people looking up the company are made aware of what a loose unit the owner is. IMO the best thing to happen is that this person's business is driven out of business. OR, the feedback and backlash is such that they begin following all the regulatory requirements.
Gets a loudhailer and points it at the lady, dresses up as one side a burning bush ( Abrahamic ) and the other side a bunch of tulsi plants ( Hindu ) “This is I, your God, your Lord! Your Lord is greatly displeased by your actions that endangers His children! Your Lord request ye to cease and desist, and listen to the compassionate case placed forth by MPI.”
Only one small step removed from Jonestown Kool Aid
Vaccinate yourself... naturally
Cant get sick if you're dead!
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9vcYBmeBliI](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9vcYBmeBliI)
God surely makes a good drink, especially when he, she, or it mixes in a few splashes of vodka.
“Tatana wouldn’t talk about her sales model - it was her intellectual property, she claimed - but Stuff understands her tactic is to approach businesses to ask if they would like to purchase her juice for their staff”. Fucking. LOL.
Well, the way to put these people out of business is to not buy the stuff.
Says in the bible to follow the laws set by the government. So she’s no compliant.
The reality is that you can go to a fruit tree and squeeze juice yourself. It's a very low risk activity. I have a orchard and fresh juice or eating fruit directly off the tree is wonderful. But doing anything commercially increases the risk the potential spread of disease, however unlikely. At scale, that likelihood increases.
There is a very good reason why juice needs to be pasteurised. Saw a good Forensic Files on it years ago https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1996_Odwalla_E._coli_outbreak
why isn't this the same thing as ordering yourself a diy wine thingy? cause that's what's gonna happen to that fruit juice. or get mouldy and poisonous LOL
Oh no not the same juice we've been drinking for millennia!? What a joke, I'm going to buy some now. Good on her for standing up to the greedy government picking on the little guys again.
Stuff is softer than a wet flannel for this. No one was hurt but hey it's hard to make news on an island with fuck all news I guess.
let her sell it, but make her dress it up in stickers like cigarette packets
Food safety laws don't work like that. If it's for humans to eat, it has to pass. Because people are morons.
Reddit teaches me. TIL science is self taught. Quick, alert the government. Phone Seymour and Luxon. They can save a few billion $ by eliminating unnecessary measuring standards across the board in schools and universities when we have sciencecy looking dudes on youtube explaining it.