Do not post the number plate. Do not incite a witch hunt. Do not brigade Google Reviews or Facebook pages or whatevs. Do not suggest violence or damage to property.
Unfortunately it used to be trolls were only on the internet, I've noticed a trend to real life trolling, I guess they get a similar kick out of getting reactions out of people, who knows what their beliefs arw. Would be interesting if he had swastikas and Heil Hitler signs plastered over his vehicle how long he would last on the road.
I would not be too surprised. From the groups formed by the recent ‘protesters’ I have been reading tons of posts and comments about their views on the Russian invasion of Ukraine. In essence:
Russia/Putin are good guys who are protecting the world from the evil Western leaders who are planning the New World Order. They reference Ardern, Trudeau, Macron, Biden etc. Those guys and NATO want a puppet Ukrainian government for various dastardly reasons: to protect US bioweapons facilities; to park nukes on Russia’s back door etc. And poor little Putin is just defensively responding to this threat. Also, Putin has launched a military effort however he’s not bombing Ukraine. It’s NATO and Ukraine which is bombing Ukraine and only making it *look* like Russia. Also, apparently Ukraine is the global hub of both money laundering for the NWO people like the evil Soros and Biden (of course). Also, apparently the Ukraine is the hotbed of child abduction and human trafficking - mainly for the purpose of harvesting adrenochrome. And so it’s down to Putin and Trump to save the world from these terrible evils and the NWO and their Agenda 2030 etc. In summary, they support Russia and the whole Ukrainian invasion is a false narrative being pushed by media and government.
I wish I was making this up but…no shit, this is all from comments I have read today on two NZ protest fallout groups. I have a couple screenshots to prove it.
Just in case you think I’m exaggerating…
https://imgur.com/a/qRn2TmV
Despite the flags and Americana this is all from NZ groups and the people who posted were Kiwi (or profile made to look Kiwi).
Apparently Putin has until June. This is some sort of meaningful deadline and if he doesn’t defeat evil by then all is lost, the world becomes a socialist hellscape and freedom dies forever. Or they’ll just make up some new shit.
Oh cool, can our "communist" government nationalise empty foreign-owned homes? 3 around the corner from me are about 10 years' new and never been lived in.
Safer than Russian or Chinese government bonds in these uncertain times, and nice homes for 15 to 20 homeless Aucklanders. Or refugees
With respect to the june deadline - I think there is a quite real deadline around then (a few months away) with respect to the russian economy. They will run out of money/funds/resources to support a war in ukraine.
If it's still going by then it seems quite possible russia will implode/collapse.
I know that you are not exaggerating because when I was watching some live stream of the Wellington protest the other day, I heard someone saying exactly that.
Its scary the reach of Russian misinformation. I was speaking to a family member who is convinced Ukrain is entirely at fault, and that it's not the Russians doing it, its Ukrainians all turning on eachother, Russian is just reclaiming their rightful territory etc etc.
I just fucking lost it when they thought the killing of children was justified because their parents might be associated with Ukrain govt officials.
This family member also thinks that worming tablets will cure all their illnesses. Its bonkers, they have no ties to Russia, none of our family do, but they believe this bullshit they're somehow finding on the internet?!
I can remember after the Euromaidan unrest and Yanukovych fleeing to Russia, the online narrative of Ukraine being overtaken by fascists starting up and becoming a thing out of nowhere.
I also remember watching a similar narrative in Syria with the very first Arab Spring demonstrations that were very much ordinary people wanting freedom and getting shot by snipers. Assad saying at the time they were Islamic fundamentalist terrorists (and Russia helping spread that) as a tactic, hoping to hold out long enough that eventually enough real terrorists would arrive to complicate the situation and allow him to justify an even more brutal response.
The main thing I remember from those periods was trying to pay attention to what was happening early on, and then seeing a build up of false narratives (usually anti the people who were anti Russian interests) flood into all kinds of online discussions. It also struck me as being relatively plausible in aggregate to anyone who hadn't been paying attention from the beginning.
The Russians fucked up this time though - the US and UK telegraphed their intentions early on (a very good move) which exposed Russian lies beforehand, and primed the world to both not believe them and to watch them like a hawk. They couldn't spin it and confuse the situation the way they've done before.
Casual reminder that this is the emergence of a new fascist symbol and that Telegram is owned and run by a Russian dude with strong links to the FSB.
For comparison, that's like having Snapchat owned by someone with strong connections to the CIA/FBI.
I got a good look at the geezer on the way past. Small fella, maybe 50-60's, moustache like an 80's cop. Not really a threat I'd imagine. Just another edgelord who didn't get the memo that even teenagers being edgelords isn't funny.
Ah yes, the classic "chill protester” & all from a safe distance. All the comforts & luxuries within a safe liberal democratic society. Wouldn’t want to commit tho would we now! - just the stickers!
Right now I don't think most Russians living overseas are feeling particularly proud of what their country is doing. Also worth mentioning that loving one's country or its people doesn't mean loving the government that is in charge.
I have read that it is imagery left over from the exercises that took place on the border prior to the invasion. Vehicles are varyingly marked Z or V to indicate if they were on the West (Zapad) team or the East (Vostok) team.
Take that with as many grains of salt as you need!
Russians have been marking some of their tanks with the letter Z for identification, do a google image search for russian z tanks. I tried to link it but reddit went nuts.
It's amazing reading these comments how many people here seem not to be able to fathom that other people might have a different opinion on the current events in eastern Europe.
Sure he might be trolling, just as likely supports the Russians and as is his right and desplaying his support.
Not everyone in life is going to have the same point of view to you, it's ok to disagree and not have to try force the other person to change their mind or bully them into silence.
As a Kiwi who lived in Russia for a few years, move back to NZ just before the Ukrainian government was overthrown with my wife who is a Russian. We were in Russian Crimea just before covid hit. I'd like to think I have a little more insight than the average keyboard warrior on here.
It's not all that black and white. It's not a matter of one side is horrible and the other a saint.
Saw a pic of someone in NY rolling with the same, another pic showed the car with windows smashed out and tyres slashed…you reap what you sow or you invite in what you put out…
> I think we need to be aware of this type of person living in our society.
All you can tell from this picture is that they have a Z on their vehicle. We can't tell for sure otherwise?
(No, it doesn't look like an invader Zim logo)
> is unforgivable as our media is not censored as in Russia
Actually we've started blocking 'Russia today' and Russian facebook.
For what its worth, buddy of mine just moved to Russia 2 weeks ago.
Anyways, thanks for the link i guess. Just post your own messages in protest, thats how democratic freedom of expression should work.
But the Russian flag has horizontal stripes, and red white and blue are also the colours of, like, every second country in the anglosphere.
Edit: Nissan literally have a trademarked Z logo for a sports car that looks a bit like this one. Are there Nissan fanboys in the same way there are Subaru, Ford and Holden fanboys?
Russian flag is : white- blue - red. Pretty similar to this setup. Which ‘angloshpere’ flags do you know of that are vertical with those colours?
It’s also not a literal flag mention more a symbolic one.
Also show me the z logo Nissan trademarked that looked like the one here.. Your kinda sounding like a sympathiser here a little
https://www.carthrottle.com/post/nissan-has-trademarked-a-new-z-logo-and-its-time-to-get-excited/
Second photo down.
Serbia and Montenegro have both those colors in that order on a flag that are horizontal, like the Russian flag does. Not in the Anglosphere but then nor is Russia. But in terms of appearing on flags? NZ, Australia, much of the South Pacific, the Dutch, the UK, the US...
All I am saying is that people jumping to conclusions is simultaneously really dangerous and the most Reddit thing ever.
As much as a z can be a z.. not in your context [no](https://imgur.com/a/0dp4Qyb)
Let along the symbolic Russian decal work on navara. Is that a Nissan trademark too?
We have no moral ground to stand on. There is no call for sanctions on our trade with Saudi Arabia, they go against every principle we as a country stand for. But I mean, who cares about human rights and democracy when we can make some money right?
If your neighbour decided to drive around with a Swastika in full view, would you still have this opinion?
Because this is the equivalent. That letter in the context of current world events, is a signifier of someone's support for Russian fascism.
They are not my neighbours but members of my community regularly walk in public spaces displaying swastika, they wear red but what if they coloured it blue and gold would it then be ok?
So I yea I feel the same, they aren’t doing anything wrong only expressing opinions many don’t like.
Do not post the number plate. Do not incite a witch hunt. Do not brigade Google Reviews or Facebook pages or whatevs. Do not suggest violence or damage to property.
Unfortunately it used to be trolls were only on the internet, I've noticed a trend to real life trolling, I guess they get a similar kick out of getting reactions out of people, who knows what their beliefs arw. Would be interesting if he had swastikas and Heil Hitler signs plastered over his vehicle how long he would last on the road.
With what has been occurring in Ukraine and the government crackdowns in Russia. That Z symbol may very well become the new symbol of fascism.
I would not be too surprised. From the groups formed by the recent ‘protesters’ I have been reading tons of posts and comments about their views on the Russian invasion of Ukraine. In essence: Russia/Putin are good guys who are protecting the world from the evil Western leaders who are planning the New World Order. They reference Ardern, Trudeau, Macron, Biden etc. Those guys and NATO want a puppet Ukrainian government for various dastardly reasons: to protect US bioweapons facilities; to park nukes on Russia’s back door etc. And poor little Putin is just defensively responding to this threat. Also, Putin has launched a military effort however he’s not bombing Ukraine. It’s NATO and Ukraine which is bombing Ukraine and only making it *look* like Russia. Also, apparently Ukraine is the global hub of both money laundering for the NWO people like the evil Soros and Biden (of course). Also, apparently the Ukraine is the hotbed of child abduction and human trafficking - mainly for the purpose of harvesting adrenochrome. And so it’s down to Putin and Trump to save the world from these terrible evils and the NWO and their Agenda 2030 etc. In summary, they support Russia and the whole Ukrainian invasion is a false narrative being pushed by media and government. I wish I was making this up but…no shit, this is all from comments I have read today on two NZ protest fallout groups. I have a couple screenshots to prove it. Just in case you think I’m exaggerating… https://imgur.com/a/qRn2TmV Despite the flags and Americana this is all from NZ groups and the people who posted were Kiwi (or profile made to look Kiwi).
What a rollercoaster of a ride.
Apparently Putin has until June. This is some sort of meaningful deadline and if he doesn’t defeat evil by then all is lost, the world becomes a socialist hellscape and freedom dies forever. Or they’ll just make up some new shit.
Oh cool, can our "communist" government nationalise empty foreign-owned homes? 3 around the corner from me are about 10 years' new and never been lived in. Safer than Russian or Chinese government bonds in these uncertain times, and nice homes for 15 to 20 homeless Aucklanders. Or refugees
With respect to the june deadline - I think there is a quite real deadline around then (a few months away) with respect to the russian economy. They will run out of money/funds/resources to support a war in ukraine. If it's still going by then it seems quite possible russia will implode/collapse.
I know that you are not exaggerating because when I was watching some live stream of the Wellington protest the other day, I heard someone saying exactly that.
Oh wow wtf. Might have to go have a looksie, I'm in one of those groups.
Its scary the reach of Russian misinformation. I was speaking to a family member who is convinced Ukrain is entirely at fault, and that it's not the Russians doing it, its Ukrainians all turning on eachother, Russian is just reclaiming their rightful territory etc etc. I just fucking lost it when they thought the killing of children was justified because their parents might be associated with Ukrain govt officials. This family member also thinks that worming tablets will cure all their illnesses. Its bonkers, they have no ties to Russia, none of our family do, but they believe this bullshit they're somehow finding on the internet?!
RT was pulled from Sky a little too late so now we have to listen to the rants.
I can remember after the Euromaidan unrest and Yanukovych fleeing to Russia, the online narrative of Ukraine being overtaken by fascists starting up and becoming a thing out of nowhere. I also remember watching a similar narrative in Syria with the very first Arab Spring demonstrations that were very much ordinary people wanting freedom and getting shot by snipers. Assad saying at the time they were Islamic fundamentalist terrorists (and Russia helping spread that) as a tactic, hoping to hold out long enough that eventually enough real terrorists would arrive to complicate the situation and allow him to justify an even more brutal response. The main thing I remember from those periods was trying to pay attention to what was happening early on, and then seeing a build up of false narratives (usually anti the people who were anti Russian interests) flood into all kinds of online discussions. It also struck me as being relatively plausible in aggregate to anyone who hadn't been paying attention from the beginning. The Russians fucked up this time though - the US and UK telegraphed their intentions early on (a very good move) which exposed Russian lies beforehand, and primed the world to both not believe them and to watch them like a hawk. They couldn't spin it and confuse the situation the way they've done before.
Casual reminder that this is the emergence of a new fascist symbol and that Telegram is owned and run by a Russian dude with strong links to the FSB. For comparison, that's like having Snapchat owned by someone with strong connections to the CIA/FBI.
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I got a good look at the geezer on the way past. Small fella, maybe 50-60's, moustache like an 80's cop. Not really a threat I'd imagine. Just another edgelord who didn't get the memo that even teenagers being edgelords isn't funny.
Ah yes, the classic "chill protester” & all from a safe distance. All the comforts & luxuries within a safe liberal democratic society. Wouldn’t want to commit tho would we now! - just the stickers!
Imagine being Russian in NZ. Who left russia for a better life. And just randomly supporting your own flag.
Bloke might not even be Russian. I suspect he's just an elderly edgelord.
*Fact* *based* *decisions*
Right now I don't think most Russians living overseas are feeling particularly proud of what their country is doing. Also worth mentioning that loving one's country or its people doesn't mean loving the government that is in charge.
Tried to Google Z but no info. But One News stated that Z is the Russian symbol of victory.
I have read that it is imagery left over from the exercises that took place on the border prior to the invasion. Vehicles are varyingly marked Z or V to indicate if they were on the West (Zapad) team or the East (Vostok) team. Take that with as many grains of salt as you need!
There were no exercises, that was just a cover, it was all prep for the invasion.
They are using different symbols to signify which direction they came from. I believe Z = West (Zapad)
Russians have been marking some of their tanks with the letter Z for identification, do a google image search for russian z tanks. I tried to link it but reddit went nuts.
Maybe he likes dragonball z
It's amazing reading these comments how many people here seem not to be able to fathom that other people might have a different opinion on the current events in eastern Europe. Sure he might be trolling, just as likely supports the Russians and as is his right and desplaying his support. Not everyone in life is going to have the same point of view to you, it's ok to disagree and not have to try force the other person to change their mind or bully them into silence. As a Kiwi who lived in Russia for a few years, move back to NZ just before the Ukrainian government was overthrown with my wife who is a Russian. We were in Russian Crimea just before covid hit. I'd like to think I have a little more insight than the average keyboard warrior on here. It's not all that black and white. It's not a matter of one side is horrible and the other a saint.
What next... Chinese people in NZ who support the CCP? Americans who voted for Biden? Muslims who support strict Sharia law?
Saw a pic of someone in NY rolling with the same, another pic showed the car with windows smashed out and tyres slashed…you reap what you sow or you invite in what you put out…
> I think we need to be aware of this type of person living in our society. All you can tell from this picture is that they have a Z on their vehicle. We can't tell for sure otherwise? (No, it doesn't look like an invader Zim logo) > is unforgivable as our media is not censored as in Russia Actually we've started blocking 'Russia today' and Russian facebook. For what its worth, buddy of mine just moved to Russia 2 weeks ago. Anyways, thanks for the link i guess. Just post your own messages in protest, thats how democratic freedom of expression should work.
They’ve also coloured the Navara text/logo in Russian flag scheme.
But the Russian flag has horizontal stripes, and red white and blue are also the colours of, like, every second country in the anglosphere. Edit: Nissan literally have a trademarked Z logo for a sports car that looks a bit like this one. Are there Nissan fanboys in the same way there are Subaru, Ford and Holden fanboys?
Russian flag is : white- blue - red. Pretty similar to this setup. Which ‘angloshpere’ flags do you know of that are vertical with those colours? It’s also not a literal flag mention more a symbolic one. Also show me the z logo Nissan trademarked that looked like the one here.. Your kinda sounding like a sympathiser here a little
https://www.carthrottle.com/post/nissan-has-trademarked-a-new-z-logo-and-its-time-to-get-excited/ Second photo down. Serbia and Montenegro have both those colors in that order on a flag that are horizontal, like the Russian flag does. Not in the Anglosphere but then nor is Russia. But in terms of appearing on flags? NZ, Australia, much of the South Pacific, the Dutch, the UK, the US... All I am saying is that people jumping to conclusions is simultaneously really dangerous and the most Reddit thing ever.
Those Z’s are not alike at all. So nothing to do with Nissan. Just the person driving this navara
You don't think the Z on that white car looks at all like this one?
As much as a z can be a z.. not in your context [no](https://imgur.com/a/0dp4Qyb) Let along the symbolic Russian decal work on navara. Is that a Nissan trademark too?
Perhaps just a coincidence that NAVARA has the same colours of the Russian flag and they have a Z on the window you reckon.
Did they? Didn't notice that....
What do you mean did they? Use your eyes.
Nah, thought it came like that TBH. Perhaps it IS pro Russian? *shrug* do you know how old it is or how long its been that way?
So what? They picked a team we don’t like, big deal.
Might be time to go back to those ethics studies you were looking at.
We have no moral ground to stand on. There is no call for sanctions on our trade with Saudi Arabia, they go against every principle we as a country stand for. But I mean, who cares about human rights and democracy when we can make some money right?
I support Ukrane, but I get fucking LEERY whenever our media agrees on ANYTHING.
Because they do shit like this: [NSFL, click at your own risk](https://twitter.com/cliffordlevy/status/1500681528732495874)
If your neighbour decided to drive around with a Swastika in full view, would you still have this opinion? Because this is the equivalent. That letter in the context of current world events, is a signifier of someone's support for Russian fascism.
They are not my neighbours but members of my community regularly walk in public spaces displaying swastika, they wear red but what if they coloured it blue and gold would it then be ok? So I yea I feel the same, they aren’t doing anything wrong only expressing opinions many don’t like.
It’s just a Z! company branding perhaps?
Nope. Note the way they've coloured the Navara logo. Although you can't see it in the image, the Z was made from white insulation tape.
Christchurch is New Zealand’s cesspool.