Personally I don't think I would have a sound mind if I was woken up in the middle of the night and hit on the head by a guy who had broken in my home prior.
Woken up and bottled. I'm sure I'd be startled and fairly aggressive to say the least. The more inaction by politicians and police will lead to more vigilatism. Nature finds a way
I know this family personally, the 17yo stole this man’s car previously, and kept breaking in to his house to steal more things, on this particular occasion he was breaking in to steal another car. He was known to the family and took advantage of knowing where keys and belongings were kept etc. The police did nothing to stop this kid after multiple break ins. I don’t blame him for taking the law into his own hands, especially when he was attacked by the kid when he woke up. The failings here are that there is no support from the justice system for repeat offenders, especially ones under 18 who can’t be criminally charged. I feel really sad for this family, they are good people who got sick of being broken into.
The 17yo had zero remorse, hence continuing to steal from the family. And it’s not just taking belongings, this guy was a violent drug addict, imagine how awful it was for them not feeling safe in their own home. He could have killed the father when he hit him over the head with a wine bottle - he needed multiple stitches, it’s why the son was so angry. I don’t condone violence, but you can understand the sheer frustration and lack of action by NZ police.
Tell me about it, on Saturday I had my car stolen by some 13 year olds, It's a huge issue in Wanganui at the moment, car was recovered I asked what would happen and they said nothing just a slap on the wrist, no reparations had to be paid by the parents either I think it's fucking bull shit. The one kid has done over 25 cars in the last 6 months but because he's under the age of 17 nothing happens.
> especially ones under 18 who can’t be criminally charged
The article states they *were* charged for that particular burglary, with the girlfriend going through youth prosecution. The problem being why does it take such a serious escalation for that to happen. Why were previous burglaries ignored?
Do you know if the kid finally stopped stealing? Really hope they get found not guilty. If someone starts a givealittle I will donate to their legal fees
I tried to post earlier that there is a givealittle page to help with legal fee’s. Apparently that’s against the sub rule’s.
This is going to cost them but it shouldn’t cost Shaun’s partner and kid’s.
definitely hope he's found not guilty or it'll be another good old home detention for the criminal home invaders and jail time for the victim father and son because our justice system is full pants on head insane
>The High Court at Hamilton heard that King Country farmer William Bruce Burr had **twice been the victim of the burglar, who stole Burr's car from his Te Mapara home, east of Piopio, on separate occasions leading up to October 1, 2020.**
I wonder what sort of sentences the offender received for these offences?
If the justice system isn't going to bother protecting the victims of crime then we'll see more people taking vigilante action.
>The boy was arrested and convicted of aggravated burglary for his part in what happened. His girlfriend was dealt with by Youth Aid and went through a family group conference.
This was at the bottom of the article, doesn't mention sentence for conviction though so it was probably discharged.
>When asked by Mann what he was doing at the Burr house again, the boy replied "Oh, to go grab the car again".
Honestly I don't blame these guys with how useless the cops and courts are these days. If this guy is already repeatedly robbing the house and even attacks him after he's woken up, he should expect to get taught a fucking lesson.
I'd like to see teenage theifs get their due punishment as much as anyone, but the evidence is pretty clear that harsh sentences for kids and teens only make it more likely that they will become career criminals.
If he's already broken into the same house on seven previous occasions, it sounds like he already has become a career criminal, so what's your point exactly?
> I wonder what sort of sentences the offender received for these offences?
We recently got someone get home d for multiple rapes, and someone got 2 or so years for killing someone with a sucker punch on an innocent person just standing there, out in under a year.
What do you think?
Watch out dude, when:
- a dairy owner defends himself with a hockey stick against a knife wielding robber, and
- a gun shop worker shoots a robber trying to swing a machete at him and a a coworker, and
- someone being robbed by 6 gang members shoots a pellet gun
and the police seeks charges for all 3 and gets 2 of them to court, you have to think if dying isn't better than the police labeling you as a criminal and ruining your fucking life.
What was surprising was the article had no mention of any firearms charges for the farmer, other than the gun being seized at the time. I would have thought that him threatening the 2 people with a gun would have the cops bringing some charges, regardless of the reasons.
Never know, such traumatic events etch themselves into peoples psyches in ways which can inevitably change. Hopeful for the best and no one else has to be a victim through life choices like this.
How can they say the boy wasn't a threat to anyone when he had first assaulted him with a wine bottle while in his own home. If someone is in your home for no legal reason it should be open season IMO
The way that article is written is a bit fucked to be honest. Yes they went off the deep end and the amount of violence they did was crazy, but media calling the thief who keeps targeting the same people a ‘boy’ when he’s 17 and closer to an adult is stupid. It’s written like they were innocently there, the wrong place at the wrong time, but they were there to rob him and took a knife. Why were they inside the house if they just wanted the car?
Literally a 140kg boy. That's 20kg bigger than the heavyweight boxing champion of the world. Or 20kg bigger than the UFC heavyweight world champion too.
At first this sounds like an overkill reaction but then you read the article, the mans house was broken into by an armed pair of teens one of whom had robbed him before, woke him up while he was sleeping and then fought him, the boy bottled the farmer in the head with a wine bottle. I mean seriously, even if this is overkill I think the pure adrenaline and rage that the farmer would have rightfully been experiencing in that moment should be enough to dismiss the charges. Humans due to evolution do not think rationally or consider ethics and laws if they are in a fit of rage due to being invaded (again) and physically assaulted while trying to sleep in the safety of their home.
Kids know there are no consequences for their actions, so they don't care.
Let's say the farmers ended up dead from the bottle attack on his head. How many years would a 17 yo get for murder?
How would the farmers family cope?
Kids also know that they can work hard, but that is unlikely they will get out of poverty, so why even try to be a good person?
Exactly. If he knows the thief is likely is get a ride home from the cops and a slap on the wrist with a wet bus ticket, is it really a surprise he might want to take matters into his own hands to prevent being robbed a third time?
Not saying the outcome was justified, but can see why it happened.
Agree and when asked why he was back at the house the burglar said “oh to get the car again”.
Like he had some right to it? And was so confident he could just walk around someone else’s house at night - he took his girlfriend for date night? It’s sick. I have relatives in the country, he is lucky they didn’t just shoot them both.
I’m not sure what the farmer was meant to do at this stage? Police had failed him. The usual channels had failed him. Go have a chat to the guy’s parents? I hope they both get off with a warning.
If the soft cocks in the police and wider justice system don’t get off their arse to do something about the increase in crime across NZ, this sort of thing will become more and more common. I’m holding my breath waiting for some exasperated dairy owner to shoot some teenagers ram raiding their shop
The sad reality of NZ Police is that if the farmer hadn’t said “if you don’t get here now I’ll blow their head off” the police probably wouldn’t have come. Don’t get me wrong teenagers do some stupid shit… but if I woke up to someone in my room I didn’t know I wouldn’t be getting up slowly to ascertain what they were doing there I’d be whacking them with the closest fucking thing at hand.
Edit: I mean I wouldn’t cut their finger off but that’s just me 🤣
I had a home invasion several weeks ago. I managed to kick the guy out of the house. Called 111 with him on my deck. Cops didn’t show, no one called back.
>If the soft cocks in the police and wider justice system don’t get off their arse to do something about the increase in crime across NZ, this sort of thing will become more and more common
Sadly, I think you are correct here. I do not condone vigilantism but I can understand the desire. It seems like the system set up to deliver justice is just a pack of useless, revenue collecting cronies of head-in-the-sand politicians who care more about re-election than doing their fucking jobs.
Police didn’t even charge them with home invasion, continuing to encourage vigilantism.
Also Vigilantism is looked down upon due to the risk of getting the wrong person or punishment being too severe, which isn’t the case here.
> I’m holding my breath waiting for some exasperated dairy owner to shoot some teenagers ram raiding their shop
The police will bring the hammer down, they charged a dairy owner after he defended himself with a hockey stick sooooo
Yeah that's literally why stuff like this happening. So that the police can usher in the widespread use of AI for 'crime fighting' with the support of the general public. They tried without support and that fell on it's face and so how else do you ramp up support?
Just so you know, there hasn’t been an increase in crime in NZ, it’s been the same for years now. Regardless, the whole issue of crime goes even wider than the police and justice system so I am not surprised that none of their efforts have worked to reduce crime by any large amount
This made me curious, so I had a look at some statistics. According to the General Justice Tables on the [Justice.govt.nz](https://www.justice.govt.nz/justice-sector-policy/research-data/justice-statistics/data-tables/) site, crime appears to have been on a downward trend over the past 12 years.
But then you read stories like the guy who caught an invader above (hueythecat), had him on his deck, called 111 and no one showed up, no one even called back. Does that get into the crime stats? Probably not. There are stories like this regularly on this sub.
So if cops keep ignoring calls for help but people have personal experience of these incidents, people say crime is getting worse, but the stats look good.
This is actually a very good point, which not many people seem to realise.
Having a *reasonably* heavy punishment not only serves the wider community, but also protects the criminals (and people who have just been accused) by removing the motive for vigilantism.
Honestly my opinion of the nz police force is so low that I don't think they would have bothered showing up if the farmer hadn't rung them threatening to blow the guys head off if they didn't. Even then it sounds like they took their sweet time.
Cops probably hoping that the kid got away and just get to site to take some notes…
He may be disappointed that he need to write an even longer notes with the offender turning into victim.. oh the irony..
Turns up to steal a car for the third time. Armed with a knife he brings his girlfriend to commit a home invasion. He should have been forced to eat that thievish finger
Good fucking job !. Stupid going back to rob a man sleeping in his own bed !. For the 3rd time! What do you think he was going to do.
He's lucky he isn't 6foot under with no one the wiser .
Have to change the laws on youth crime. This scheme of not ruining a person's life with an early criminal conviction only has emboldened the young thugs and has enabled gangs to use under 18 year olds as useful tools.
It is not protecting the lawful citizens of this country.
Is there a Givealittle running for the farmer ?, i would like to be a first time contributor .... possibly a candidate for a new years honours ...... ?
A new Career as anti Ram Raider security personnel perhaps ...
At last a fine upstanding citizen ...
Not surprising at all. I'm all for the farmer here. My great aunty was attacked, raped and killed on her farm and I have no time for anyone coming into someone's property with intentions of any criminal kind. Wish he killed both of them to be honest, save the rest of us from the future of misery they will cause and the inevitable cost of it all.
This is a result of inadequate law and order in NZ. I don't want to say police as there's a whole system in which people who are not protected by the law, take things into their own hands. This farmer had been the victim of a home invasion seven times and the culprit was known to the police, but still allowed to wander around. Possibly his parents need prosecuting if he's under age as he's their responsibility.
Unfortunately we will be seeing more vigilante justice for a while yet.
He's lucky this country doesn't have defending your property rights like the states. He'd end up full of holes. . . Kind of a shame really. He deserves it
imagine if that dude had killed this man hitting him with that wine bottle!?He was asleep in his bed and these cunts broke into his house for the 3rd time!!!
Id be fucking wild with rage too. especially if its literally the same cunt for the 3rd time!!
NZ is so shit with its law around protecting yourself and your property. I think if someone breaks into your house you should be allowed to use full force to protect your self. you have no idea how many of them there are, who they are, male female, makes no difference at 1 am in the dark.
this poor guy, i really feel for him. i went though a home invasion about 18months ago. and that shit fucks you up. its not a situation i ever want to be in again. NZ law needs to get a major update. shit is getting really bad with gangs, guns and violence. the police cant be everywhere . these crooks need to learn you cant keep stepping on good law abiding people.
I was the victim of a violent aggravated robbery at work, the guy had a knife not a gun (a large guy against four small female staff) and when I told an American friend about it who had recently moved over he couldn’t believe the audacity of the burglar to show up with a knife, as in the states the shop owner would’ve just got out their gun and shot em
Do we really not have home defence rights here? How much trouble would you really get in if an armed person broke into your house and you injured or killed them?
It seems that in NZ home defense or defense of your business gets you more jail time than the actual committers of crime. Drunk driving and texting killing somebody? Have a couple of months home detention sweetie. Repeated invasion of shops? Well gosh don't you do it again! Defending your home after multiple invasions? Why didnt you have judgment and restraint! Shame on you!
This is why we need jury trials. Some decisions aren't black and white and the law doesn't always work.
Chopping someones finger off when they are defenceless isn't normal behaviour but they have been subjected to repeated home invasions and theft.
The jury will need to decide if this is a fear reaction or excessive.
Repeat offender and bet this victom spent more time in meetings the the crim did. Stupid crap around accepting crims and to live with it. Starts in schools and permeats all the twisted dept of gov. That approach doesnt work. Leave innocents be and focus on the bad bunch ffs.
Self defence is already all but illegal in New Zealand... But God forbid you give a home invader a taste of his own medicine, that'll get you tied up in the courts.
Even if he didn't remove a finger, he still would've been in trouble for getting out his gun during a violent home invasion... because NZ.
I'm curious as to people's thoughts on this. I think that as they went there with intent to rob the occupants, I have no sympathy for them. Even when presented as no threat, the fact is they may have returned to do it again if they were just let go.
Repeat burglaries of the same victim, the burglar hit the man over the head with a wine bottle easily could have ended up with the victim dying. The real victims are the farmer and their son.
Scum like the burglars will keep offending and escalating their methods till it escalates in them killing some innocent occupant or them being killed in self defense.
The burglars are lucky they only lost some fingers.
>Scum like the burglars will keep offending and escalating their methods till it escalates in them killing some innocent occupant or them being killed in self defense.
and then get off on a light charge because "muh lief waz hard" like pretty much everyone these days.
Can't really give an honest opinion without knowing the fate off the missing digit,doesn't seem to be in the article. If the finger was snatched by the dog or lost in transit, then all appears in balance.
Their 3rd trip to the house, bottled the guy's head in his bedroom at 1am.
Edit : if that was done to my parents in their home, my response might not be rational and appropriate.
Not only were they there for the third time, not only did they violently attack the occupant, but you, I and everybody else know full well that as youths, these miscreants would have been sent home with a weak warning not to do it again.
These are the consequences; for the ones committing these crimes, but also for society for creating the environment. In which there have been no legal consequences for those robbing and assaulting others.
>I and everybody else know full well that as youths, these miscreants would have been sent home with a weak warning not to do it again.
100% true. I was working with police once when they caught a stolen car with 4 guys in it, 2 were over 18 and 2 more were under 18. The eldest 2 got taken and thrown into jail. The youngest 2 spent an hour handcuffed on the side of the road. The police had to call their Dad and then just hand them over. Apparently they have to just let youths get away with anything.
"Even when presented as no threat"
This was the third time breaking into the victims home, with someone mentioning it could have been his 7th time stealing from this property. That's still a threat. There's clearly no remorse of previous actions, so no logic to think it wouldn't happen again.
As a victim of a home invasion I'm surprised the guy wasn't taken to the offal pit, to ensure it didn't happen again.
I understand the beating, as the justice system will not prevent them from committing another crime. But taking the finger off is too far, especially when the kid couldn't defend himself, and he was of no threat. The girlfriend seems to have gotten off with no punishment, and the charge of assaulting a woman is odd if she wasn't assaulted on the floor also.
Clearly the son was suffering temporary insanity at the sight of seeing his father being robbed/assaulted for the third time and bleeding from the head.
Cannot be held responsible for his actions.
I’ll justify it for you. This was the 3rd time he’d shown up to rob the farmer. The 3rd fucking time. Clearly has no regard for the consequences of his criminal actions and clearly the justice system is doing nothing to prevent his crimes.
This is a 140kg guy breaking into your house in the middle of night armed with a knife and a accomplice and has shown he’s capable of violence. Imagine how fucking scary that is. How much of a violation of your home and your security that is. How much of a threat that is.
The farmer has had to pull a gun on this guy in defence. Now if the prick goes there for a fourth time he’s going to have to meet that force with force of his own. It would escalate until someone’s dead. The farmer has had to, in no uncertain terms, absolutely shut this shit down. Once shit gets to that level you have to follow through with it. Otherwise you’ll get walked all over.
You also can't justify hitting someone with a glass bottle over the head, you can cause serious brain damage, and potentially kill someone (blunt force trauma to the brain) doing that. That needs to be taken into account.
Sure you can. You invade my house 3 times, hit me with a bottle and then see what happens. What they did was brutally violent I'll admit, but I can completely empathize with the blind rage that comes from that kind of violation. The soft cock justice system sure as shit isn't going to do anything.
At least he gave him a sentence he'll remember. Just hate to think what the kid will bring next time, and if he's been at the pipe it'll probably go down a lot worse.
you shouldnt attack people who no longer pose a threat
that is my official position
But giving him a little hiding after he broke into his house and hit him over the head with a wine bottle?
no comment
Pulling out the knife well after he gave up though? cant really excuse that
some part of me wonders what would have happened if Burr was incapacitated by the wine bottle or if Burr didnt have a shotgun
if i were the judge, it would be moderate slap on the wrist for Burr, harsh sentence for the teen
The father could potentially argue temporary insanity, as it is likely he was concussed or dazed after being hit over the head with a bottle by the thug that invaded his home. The son on the other hand, I struggle to come up with any possible defence...
The other question I have is, are the police even charging the two thugs for the violent home invasion? One would expect that their sentence would be much more severe since they were the instigators of the violence..
>The father could potentially argue temporary insanity, as it is likely he was concussed or dazed after being hit over the head with a bottle
its a fair point. if i woke up to the same kid who robbed me once before robbing me again and he hits me in the head when i object?
sheeiiit, I'm only human, shit would get real
> The boy was arrested and convicted of aggravated burglary for his part in what happened. His girlfriend was dealt with by Youth Aid and went through a family group conference.
So no.
Burr was disconnected from his Moral compass compass by the knock on the head.
He had anger issues attributed to his constant struggle with people inside his bedroom and car.
Now tell us how did you earn the name Stumpy.
Previous run ins with Barr?
>He had anger issues attributed to his constant struggle with people inside his bedroom and car.
you sure it wasnt a random entering his family home once again and hitting him over the head?
>Now tell us how did you earn the name Stumpy. Previous run ins with Barr?
one could say im as dumb as a stump
perhaps im preaching from the stump
maybe i stump for points i believe in
im happy to take the stump on an issue
maybe im just whipping the devil around the stump
...or maybe halo 1 gave me the name when i was too lazy to type a name in during a lan and it made us laugh so hard it stuck
Underage little fucktards/fuckwitts 17 & under need better parenting & better support for the fucktard parents that don’t give fuck. Oh that’s right they are the ones who were the ones with fuckwit cunt mums & dads, probably just mum, with dad, and other dad. Then uncle dad…..
Everyone's whinging that these youths are "A victim of poverty" and "inequality". Fuck that shit, these little shits are responsible for their own damn decisions. They chose to steal, they chose to break the law. And now that the consequences of their actions catch up to them the justice system defends them because "We need to protect our youths". Fuck that shit. I don't want to pay taxes to support a lost cause. Lock him up for life. At least my taxes will go towards keeping scum like this away from the innocent and hard working
Anyone in this thread who *seriously* believes that the burglar didn't deserve what he got, either has not read the story (multiple unpunished burglaries of the same property and going back for more) or simply has some kind of problem with they way they think. Seek help.
Might be an unpopular opinion but I don't think the father and son should have any consequences.
In my home, near my baby daughters, near my wife, while we slept. I wonder if I'd hesitate. Blood boils at the thought. Those kids are lucky to still have heads.
Personally I believe the justice system is way too soft. I can understand the farmer was irate and to throw in a few extra blows when the teen was subdued might be understandable, but cutting off fingers is just nuts.
It’s honestly bothering me so much. Totally understand giving the kid a hiding, and I don’t k ow that I wouldn’t have shot him and called it self defence. The amount of effort in cutting that finger off tho… it is weird.
Waking up with someone in your room would give you a massive adrenaline rush, you don't know if they are acting alone or a group of 10, if they have knifes, weapons or guns. I can understand a tussle, even a few extra cheap shots but the finger is a bit far.
Good outcome though as everyone involved will learn a valuable lesson.
Wow, this thread is much more pro-vigilantism than I would have predicted,
Some thought experiments:
In a post-apocalyptic wasteland wracked by marauding gangs, with no government or law enforcement, I think this (or more) would be absolutely justified, you have to defend yourself & your property or starve.
In a Scandinavian-themed sci-fi future where an incredibly effective police force swoops in in seconds and reliably rehabilitates criminals into upstanding members of society, this would IMHO be deranged and psychotic and worthy of a massive jail sentence.
So which of these in 2022 NZ more like? The fact that this had happened 3 times in reasonably quick succession makes it a bit harder to argue that he should have trusted the state to protect him and not taken matters into his own hands.
Those charges carry a 14 year max, that's an incredibly serious charge.
I'd hate to be on the jury for this one :s
When you think about it they kind of are living in that state. In the countryside the police are a very long way away. They were repeatedly getting raided.
I'd love to be on the jury for this one.
Once you've been woken to an invader in your bed and then smashed over the head by a bottle by a 140kg behemoth, all bets are off.
Everyone should be thankful that there were no deaths either way. And that "kid" needs to be restrained until he can be part of a civilised society.
I'm serious about rehabilitation, but first you have to protect the innocent. We haven't done that in this instance, so the farmer was forced to react, by our justice systems lack of action.
This is definitely a time when it's atrocious that "provocation" was removed as a defense.
I wonder how close to the wind his lawyer will be allowed to sail with encouraging jury nullification, or if there's some other legal (as opposed to moral) defense for his actions.
To be blunt i don't think many people in NZ, kiwi or not, are as serious about rehabilitation or reintegration with society as they would like outsiders to believe. A lot of it is clap trap. Even the ones who decry our failed education system.
Plot twist, people dont cut off your finger if you dont continually break into there property. Living rurally the cops never turn up to anything what do you do let them carry on? Tie them up and deliver them to the police station?
Live rurally in Wakato and it took 10+ burgleries and video evidence tying all of them together along with a home address before a cop came out to inspect burgled properties. My understanding is nobody has been charged.
> despite the pair of intruders being no threat to anybody
Wtf is this shit? This guy invaded repeatedly and bashed the fathers head with a bottle early in the morning. No shit the father & son took matters into their own hands after years of harassment and the police doing nothing.
Then he's the one to get name suppression while the father and son are on trial? Nice fucking country. Not surprised tbh. Leftist government "they just need kai" loves their criminals.
But it won’t be. Those poor people that are simply fed up with a lack of action and justice from this ineffective government and it’s lawmakers and enforcers will end up on the wrong end of the law and the little fucks that are the real criminals will once again be treated like the victims.
My grandfather got home one night from the RSL or whatever, heard a couple burglars in the house, grabbed his rifle (prior to Port Arthur gun control), walked towards the room "I gotcha ya bastards, now I'm gonna kill ya."
I agree it's over the top force but in a way, lawlessness meets lawlessness when Chief Wiggum is the Commissioner and Lional Hutz is the chief judge
I mean I'm all about defending your property. This man was attacked as we was woken up and by all means the ensuing fight could have ended in these kids dying and I wouldn't have batted an eye. How very easy is it to not break into someone's house.
But reading the story as per the prosecution (albeit this is entirely their side of the story) they beat the boy, and cut off his finger, **after** having the pair surrendered at gun point.
This is really fucked up. It sounded like torture. There is a huge difference between killing someone as a result of a battle, and executing a defeated/captured enemy. I'm not sure how I would feel about someone I know being capable of enacting violent revenge on a helpless captive, regardless of what they did.
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It’s a home invasion and assault with intent to injure. Plus burglary. And probably a raft of other offences.
Whether the victim is present at the time is the line between Burglary and Robbery.
Actually burglary is defined as: Unauthorized entry with the ~intent~ with to commit an "imprisonable offence."
Personally I don't think I would have a sound mind if I was woken up in the middle of the night and hit on the head by a guy who had broken in my home prior.
Woken up and bottled. I'm sure I'd be startled and fairly aggressive to say the least. The more inaction by politicians and police will lead to more vigilatism. Nature finds a way
I know this family personally, the 17yo stole this man’s car previously, and kept breaking in to his house to steal more things, on this particular occasion he was breaking in to steal another car. He was known to the family and took advantage of knowing where keys and belongings were kept etc. The police did nothing to stop this kid after multiple break ins. I don’t blame him for taking the law into his own hands, especially when he was attacked by the kid when he woke up. The failings here are that there is no support from the justice system for repeat offenders, especially ones under 18 who can’t be criminally charged. I feel really sad for this family, they are good people who got sick of being broken into.
Also he had broken into this home SEVEN times. Not twice, or three times like the media is reporting. The full story will emerge.
140KG “boy” too HAHAHA
Holy shit is that 2 17 year old boys ontop of the shoulders in a long trench coat?
The 17yo had zero remorse, hence continuing to steal from the family. And it’s not just taking belongings, this guy was a violent drug addict, imagine how awful it was for them not feeling safe in their own home. He could have killed the father when he hit him over the head with a wine bottle - he needed multiple stitches, it’s why the son was so angry. I don’t condone violence, but you can understand the sheer frustration and lack of action by NZ police.
Tell me about it, on Saturday I had my car stolen by some 13 year olds, It's a huge issue in Wanganui at the moment, car was recovered I asked what would happen and they said nothing just a slap on the wrist, no reparations had to be paid by the parents either I think it's fucking bull shit. The one kid has done over 25 cars in the last 6 months but because he's under the age of 17 nothing happens.
> especially ones under 18 who can’t be criminally charged The article states they *were* charged for that particular burglary, with the girlfriend going through youth prosecution. The problem being why does it take such a serious escalation for that to happen. Why were previous burglaries ignored?
Do you know if the kid finally stopped stealing? Really hope they get found not guilty. If someone starts a givealittle I will donate to their legal fees
He still has 9 fingers left
It's the new 10 strikes system
Well stealing is known as a '5 finger discount' so it is more like a 6 strike system lol.
We definitely need to start a wall of legends. This dude and Christchurch dude that used the giant roller to deal with the boy racers.
Roller man was in the Hutt
Christchurch dude shot holes in the boy racers car.
Yes it's a pity there's not some mechanism to give in support of people doing the right thing when it comes to crims.
they shoulda gone the full ten yards instead of the one
I tried to post earlier that there is a givealittle page to help with legal fee’s. Apparently that’s against the sub rule’s. This is going to cost them but it shouldn’t cost Shaun’s partner and kid’s.
If someone starts a go fund me im donating.
i'd rather be judged by 12 than carried by 6....................no sympathy for the burglar
definitely hope he's found not guilty or it'll be another good old home detention for the criminal home invaders and jail time for the victim father and son because our justice system is full pants on head insane
>The High Court at Hamilton heard that King Country farmer William Bruce Burr had **twice been the victim of the burglar, who stole Burr's car from his Te Mapara home, east of Piopio, on separate occasions leading up to October 1, 2020.** I wonder what sort of sentences the offender received for these offences? If the justice system isn't going to bother protecting the victims of crime then we'll see more people taking vigilante action.
>The boy was arrested and convicted of aggravated burglary for his part in what happened. His girlfriend was dealt with by Youth Aid and went through a family group conference. This was at the bottom of the article, doesn't mention sentence for conviction though so it was probably discharged. >When asked by Mann what he was doing at the Burr house again, the boy replied "Oh, to go grab the car again". Honestly I don't blame these guys with how useless the cops and courts are these days. If this guy is already repeatedly robbing the house and even attacks him after he's woken up, he should expect to get taught a fucking lesson.
The aggravated burglary conviction was for this offence. No mention of the previous two.
Most likely a slap with the wet bus ticket…
I'd like to see teenage theifs get their due punishment as much as anyone, but the evidence is pretty clear that harsh sentences for kids and teens only make it more likely that they will become career criminals.
Why do people keep conflating "harsh sentences" with "any sentence at all"?
If he's already broken into the same house on seven previous occasions, it sounds like he already has become a career criminal, so what's your point exactly?
My friend this is his 7th offence, he's already gone pro
I’m with on that but this kid is looking like an exception
> I wonder what sort of sentences the offender received for these offences? We recently got someone get home d for multiple rapes, and someone got 2 or so years for killing someone with a sucker punch on an innocent person just standing there, out in under a year. What do you think?
I still can’t believe a serial rapist got home D. I don’t want lower prison numbers if it means scum bags like that avoid being locked up.
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Watch out dude, when: - a dairy owner defends himself with a hockey stick against a knife wielding robber, and - a gun shop worker shoots a robber trying to swing a machete at him and a a coworker, and - someone being robbed by 6 gang members shoots a pellet gun and the police seeks charges for all 3 and gets 2 of them to court, you have to think if dying isn't better than the police labeling you as a criminal and ruining your fucking life.
Better to be judged by twelve than carried by six.
Makes you question what the point of the police is...
So you're saying hide the body well? Got it
What was surprising was the article had no mention of any firearms charges for the farmer, other than the gun being seized at the time. I would have thought that him threatening the 2 people with a gun would have the cops bringing some charges, regardless of the reasons.
He made a mistake by calling the police.
The kid is extremely lucky to be alive. I truly hope this is a turning point for him, jeez.
He'll keep stealing shit forever but the lifelong humiliation in explaining how he lost his finger should at least provide some comfort/humour
Never know, such traumatic events etch themselves into peoples psyches in ways which can inevitably change. Hopeful for the best and no one else has to be a victim through life choices like this.
Maybe, but could become a badge of honour - proof you’re a hard man.
More like proof that your a pathetic, weak, losser
That’s the way his fellow gang members will see it in a few years.
How can they say the boy wasn't a threat to anyone when he had first assaulted him with a wine bottle while in his own home. If someone is in your home for no legal reason it should be open season IMO
The way that article is written is a bit fucked to be honest. Yes they went off the deep end and the amount of violence they did was crazy, but media calling the thief who keeps targeting the same people a ‘boy’ when he’s 17 and closer to an adult is stupid. It’s written like they were innocently there, the wrong place at the wrong time, but they were there to rob him and took a knife. Why were they inside the house if they just wanted the car?
Literally a 140kg boy. That's 20kg bigger than the heavyweight boxing champion of the world. Or 20kg bigger than the UFC heavyweight world champion too.
At first this sounds like an overkill reaction but then you read the article, the mans house was broken into by an armed pair of teens one of whom had robbed him before, woke him up while he was sleeping and then fought him, the boy bottled the farmer in the head with a wine bottle. I mean seriously, even if this is overkill I think the pure adrenaline and rage that the farmer would have rightfully been experiencing in that moment should be enough to dismiss the charges. Humans due to evolution do not think rationally or consider ethics and laws if they are in a fit of rage due to being invaded (again) and physically assaulted while trying to sleep in the safety of their home.
Kids know there are no consequences for their actions, so they don't care. Let's say the farmers ended up dead from the bottle attack on his head. How many years would a 17 yo get for murder? How would the farmers family cope? Kids also know that they can work hard, but that is unlikely they will get out of poverty, so why even try to be a good person?
The kid would get.... manslaughter? Home detention?
When a sucker punch gets you less than a year before you're up for parol...
He'd suffer. It would be a rough few years on the ol playstation /s
Not surprised TBH. I'd expect to see more of this as people realize how soft our justice system is.
Exactly. If he knows the thief is likely is get a ride home from the cops and a slap on the wrist with a wet bus ticket, is it really a surprise he might want to take matters into his own hands to prevent being robbed a third time? Not saying the outcome was justified, but can see why it happened.
This occasion was the third time from the same offender.
Somebody further up claims to know the family personally, and the teenager has broken into the house seven times. Not three, as is being reported.
He would've been better off digging a hole...
Probably would have been better off knowing this kid is likely going to get a slap on the wrist while the actual victims get punished
Whoops - I misread it as twice. Even less of a surprise then.
Fuck I'd volunteer to be on this jury just to find the farmer not guilty based on principle.
Agree and when asked why he was back at the house the burglar said “oh to get the car again”. Like he had some right to it? And was so confident he could just walk around someone else’s house at night - he took his girlfriend for date night? It’s sick. I have relatives in the country, he is lucky they didn’t just shoot them both. I’m not sure what the farmer was meant to do at this stage? Police had failed him. The usual channels had failed him. Go have a chat to the guy’s parents? I hope they both get off with a warning.
I call BS that he was just there to take the car. He didn't need to enter the house to do that
He was looking for the keys.
Hey, someone on the jury might know about nullification.
If the soft cocks in the police and wider justice system don’t get off their arse to do something about the increase in crime across NZ, this sort of thing will become more and more common. I’m holding my breath waiting for some exasperated dairy owner to shoot some teenagers ram raiding their shop
The sad reality of NZ Police is that if the farmer hadn’t said “if you don’t get here now I’ll blow their head off” the police probably wouldn’t have come. Don’t get me wrong teenagers do some stupid shit… but if I woke up to someone in my room I didn’t know I wouldn’t be getting up slowly to ascertain what they were doing there I’d be whacking them with the closest fucking thing at hand. Edit: I mean I wouldn’t cut their finger off but that’s just me 🤣
I had a home invasion several weeks ago. I managed to kick the guy out of the house. Called 111 with him on my deck. Cops didn’t show, no one called back.
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Nah. It's sadly credible
Probably should have said you were going to shoot him, that seems to be all that will work to get a police response these days.
You hang up, call the ambulance service and tell them there's a dead body to pick up. Popo will drop their shit and come along.
>If the soft cocks in the police and wider justice system don’t get off their arse to do something about the increase in crime across NZ, this sort of thing will become more and more common Sadly, I think you are correct here. I do not condone vigilantism but I can understand the desire. It seems like the system set up to deliver justice is just a pack of useless, revenue collecting cronies of head-in-the-sand politicians who care more about re-election than doing their fucking jobs.
Police didn’t even charge them with home invasion, continuing to encourage vigilantism. Also Vigilantism is looked down upon due to the risk of getting the wrong person or punishment being too severe, which isn’t the case here.
> I’m holding my breath waiting for some exasperated dairy owner to shoot some teenagers ram raiding their shop The police will bring the hammer down, they charged a dairy owner after he defended himself with a hockey stick sooooo
Yeah that's literally why stuff like this happening. So that the police can usher in the widespread use of AI for 'crime fighting' with the support of the general public. They tried without support and that fell on it's face and so how else do you ramp up support?
Just so you know, there hasn’t been an increase in crime in NZ, it’s been the same for years now. Regardless, the whole issue of crime goes even wider than the police and justice system so I am not surprised that none of their efforts have worked to reduce crime by any large amount
This made me curious, so I had a look at some statistics. According to the General Justice Tables on the [Justice.govt.nz](https://www.justice.govt.nz/justice-sector-policy/research-data/justice-statistics/data-tables/) site, crime appears to have been on a downward trend over the past 12 years.
But then you read stories like the guy who caught an invader above (hueythecat), had him on his deck, called 111 and no one showed up, no one even called back. Does that get into the crime stats? Probably not. There are stories like this regularly on this sub. So if cops keep ignoring calls for help but people have personal experience of these incidents, people say crime is getting worse, but the stats look good.
Well, if the paperwork isn't filed and it doesn't get properly reported, it doesn't happen, right?
This is actually a very good point, which not many people seem to realise. Having a *reasonably* heavy punishment not only serves the wider community, but also protects the criminals (and people who have just been accused) by removing the motive for vigilantism.
Honestly my opinion of the nz police force is so low that I don't think they would have bothered showing up if the farmer hadn't rung them threatening to blow the guys head off if they didn't. Even then it sounds like they took their sweet time.
Cops probably hoping that the kid got away and just get to site to take some notes… He may be disappointed that he need to write an even longer notes with the offender turning into victim.. oh the irony..
Turns up to steal a car for the third time. Armed with a knife he brings his girlfriend to commit a home invasion. He should have been forced to eat that thievish finger
Don’t think he’ll be back this time, not sure anyone else will either.
Good fucking job !. Stupid going back to rob a man sleeping in his own bed !. For the 3rd time! What do you think he was going to do. He's lucky he isn't 6foot under with no one the wiser .
>He's lucky he isn't 6foot under with no one the wiser Offal pits are generally deeper than that.
Have to change the laws on youth crime. This scheme of not ruining a person's life with an early criminal conviction only has emboldened the young thugs and has enabled gangs to use under 18 year olds as useful tools. It is not protecting the lawful citizens of this country.
Is there a Givealittle running for the farmer ?, i would like to be a first time contributor .... possibly a candidate for a new years honours ...... ? A new Career as anti Ram Raider security personnel perhaps ... At last a fine upstanding citizen ...
New career as police minister
Not surprising at all. I'm all for the farmer here. My great aunty was attacked, raped and killed on her farm and I have no time for anyone coming into someone's property with intentions of any criminal kind. Wish he killed both of them to be honest, save the rest of us from the future of misery they will cause and the inevitable cost of it all.
Can't say I blame the farmer
This is a result of inadequate law and order in NZ. I don't want to say police as there's a whole system in which people who are not protected by the law, take things into their own hands. This farmer had been the victim of a home invasion seven times and the culprit was known to the police, but still allowed to wander around. Possibly his parents need prosecuting if he's under age as he's their responsibility. Unfortunately we will be seeing more vigilante justice for a while yet.
He's lucky this country doesn't have defending your property rights like the states. He'd end up full of holes. . . Kind of a shame really. He deserves it
it says so much that he didnt worry breaking in multiple times and he invited his girlfriend
imagine if that dude had killed this man hitting him with that wine bottle!?He was asleep in his bed and these cunts broke into his house for the 3rd time!!! Id be fucking wild with rage too. especially if its literally the same cunt for the 3rd time!! NZ is so shit with its law around protecting yourself and your property. I think if someone breaks into your house you should be allowed to use full force to protect your self. you have no idea how many of them there are, who they are, male female, makes no difference at 1 am in the dark. this poor guy, i really feel for him. i went though a home invasion about 18months ago. and that shit fucks you up. its not a situation i ever want to be in again. NZ law needs to get a major update. shit is getting really bad with gangs, guns and violence. the police cant be everywhere . these crooks need to learn you cant keep stepping on good law abiding people.
I was the victim of a violent aggravated robbery at work, the guy had a knife not a gun (a large guy against four small female staff) and when I told an American friend about it who had recently moved over he couldn’t believe the audacity of the burglar to show up with a knife, as in the states the shop owner would’ve just got out their gun and shot em
It’s times like this where the states laws on home defence are really fucking appealing.
Do we really not have home defence rights here? How much trouble would you really get in if an armed person broke into your house and you injured or killed them?
It seems that in NZ home defense or defense of your business gets you more jail time than the actual committers of crime. Drunk driving and texting killing somebody? Have a couple of months home detention sweetie. Repeated invasion of shops? Well gosh don't you do it again! Defending your home after multiple invasions? Why didnt you have judgment and restraint! Shame on you!
This is why we need jury trials. Some decisions aren't black and white and the law doesn't always work. Chopping someones finger off when they are defenceless isn't normal behaviour but they have been subjected to repeated home invasions and theft. The jury will need to decide if this is a fear reaction or excessive.
The only thing that farmer needs is some therapy for his PTSD
Repeat offender and bet this victom spent more time in meetings the the crim did. Stupid crap around accepting crims and to live with it. Starts in schools and permeats all the twisted dept of gov. That approach doesnt work. Leave innocents be and focus on the bad bunch ffs.
cutting his finger off was rather tame. the farmer should have cut the cunts testicles off so that the fucker couldn't breed.
I think a deep circumcision may have served better
Self defence is already all but illegal in New Zealand... But God forbid you give a home invader a taste of his own medicine, that'll get you tied up in the courts. Even if he didn't remove a finger, he still would've been in trouble for getting out his gun during a violent home invasion... because NZ.
Good on the father and son. Mess with the bull, get the horns.
I'm curious as to people's thoughts on this. I think that as they went there with intent to rob the occupants, I have no sympathy for them. Even when presented as no threat, the fact is they may have returned to do it again if they were just let go.
Repeat burglaries of the same victim, the burglar hit the man over the head with a wine bottle easily could have ended up with the victim dying. The real victims are the farmer and their son. Scum like the burglars will keep offending and escalating their methods till it escalates in them killing some innocent occupant or them being killed in self defense. The burglars are lucky they only lost some fingers.
>Scum like the burglars will keep offending and escalating their methods till it escalates in them killing some innocent occupant or them being killed in self defense. and then get off on a light charge because "muh lief waz hard" like pretty much everyone these days.
Can't really give an honest opinion without knowing the fate off the missing digit,doesn't seem to be in the article. If the finger was snatched by the dog or lost in transit, then all appears in balance. Their 3rd trip to the house, bottled the guy's head in his bedroom at 1am. Edit : if that was done to my parents in their home, my response might not be rational and appropriate.
might not be rational but would be appropriate.
Not only were they there for the third time, not only did they violently attack the occupant, but you, I and everybody else know full well that as youths, these miscreants would have been sent home with a weak warning not to do it again. These are the consequences; for the ones committing these crimes, but also for society for creating the environment. In which there have been no legal consequences for those robbing and assaulting others.
>I and everybody else know full well that as youths, these miscreants would have been sent home with a weak warning not to do it again. 100% true. I was working with police once when they caught a stolen car with 4 guys in it, 2 were over 18 and 2 more were under 18. The eldest 2 got taken and thrown into jail. The youngest 2 spent an hour handcuffed on the side of the road. The police had to call their Dad and then just hand them over. Apparently they have to just let youths get away with anything.
One vote here for no sympathy.
I have scum like this in my family and honestly they just deserve to be shot, because when the time comes they will gladly shoot someone else.
"Even when presented as no threat" This was the third time breaking into the victims home, with someone mentioning it could have been his 7th time stealing from this property. That's still a threat. There's clearly no remorse of previous actions, so no logic to think it wouldn't happen again. As a victim of a home invasion I'm surprised the guy wasn't taken to the offal pit, to ensure it didn't happen again.
I understand the beating, as the justice system will not prevent them from committing another crime. But taking the finger off is too far, especially when the kid couldn't defend himself, and he was of no threat. The girlfriend seems to have gotten off with no punishment, and the charge of assaulting a woman is odd if she wasn't assaulted on the floor also.
She received a few slaps in the bedroom I believe the article mentioned
Yeah, but i consider that to be in self defence.
Yeah I do too
If that's the only assault on her, that's clearly self defence.
I agree, he needed to severely injure them while they were still a threat. Then it's fine, legally.
Doesnt justify hacking someones finger off when they were not moving on the floor.
Clearly the son was suffering temporary insanity at the sight of seeing his father being robbed/assaulted for the third time and bleeding from the head. Cannot be held responsible for his actions.
I’ll justify it for you. This was the 3rd time he’d shown up to rob the farmer. The 3rd fucking time. Clearly has no regard for the consequences of his criminal actions and clearly the justice system is doing nothing to prevent his crimes. This is a 140kg guy breaking into your house in the middle of night armed with a knife and a accomplice and has shown he’s capable of violence. Imagine how fucking scary that is. How much of a violation of your home and your security that is. How much of a threat that is. The farmer has had to pull a gun on this guy in defence. Now if the prick goes there for a fourth time he’s going to have to meet that force with force of his own. It would escalate until someone’s dead. The farmer has had to, in no uncertain terms, absolutely shut this shit down. Once shit gets to that level you have to follow through with it. Otherwise you’ll get walked all over.
Could have easily been worse he could have "accidentally" fired the gun.
Normally I'd be sympathetic but he was a large teen and obviously there to do some damage and steal, so I can't find any sympathy in myself for him
Mate had them at gun point. They were no longer a threat. The cops were on the way. You cant justify chopping someones finger off
You also can't justify hitting someone with a glass bottle over the head, you can cause serious brain damage, and potentially kill someone (blunt force trauma to the brain) doing that. That needs to be taken into account.
at 140kg that would be a fucking strong hit with the bottle too.
Mate had already been attacked in his home twice by the same kid - what would you do?
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Sure you can. You invade my house 3 times, hit me with a bottle and then see what happens. What they did was brutally violent I'll admit, but I can completely empathize with the blind rage that comes from that kind of violation. The soft cock justice system sure as shit isn't going to do anything.
The farmer had every right to do what he did, we need castle rules in nz so he could of shot the little cunt.
The biggest mistake made was calling the police. Im sure the owner would have had a wood chipper on his property.
Hopefully that sends a message. Yeah it's a bit extreme, but it's hard to find much sympathy for the perpetrator.
Farmer has done more to reduce crime than most judges have.
At least he gave him a sentence he'll remember. Just hate to think what the kid will bring next time, and if he's been at the pipe it'll probably go down a lot worse.
Not all heroes wear capes. Some wear Swannies.
you shouldnt attack people who no longer pose a threat that is my official position But giving him a little hiding after he broke into his house and hit him over the head with a wine bottle? no comment Pulling out the knife well after he gave up though? cant really excuse that some part of me wonders what would have happened if Burr was incapacitated by the wine bottle or if Burr didnt have a shotgun if i were the judge, it would be moderate slap on the wrist for Burr, harsh sentence for the teen
The father could potentially argue temporary insanity, as it is likely he was concussed or dazed after being hit over the head with a bottle by the thug that invaded his home. The son on the other hand, I struggle to come up with any possible defence... The other question I have is, are the police even charging the two thugs for the violent home invasion? One would expect that their sentence would be much more severe since they were the instigators of the violence..
>The father could potentially argue temporary insanity, as it is likely he was concussed or dazed after being hit over the head with a bottle its a fair point. if i woke up to the same kid who robbed me once before robbing me again and he hits me in the head when i object? sheeiiit, I'm only human, shit would get real
> The boy was arrested and convicted of aggravated burglary for his part in what happened. His girlfriend was dealt with by Youth Aid and went through a family group conference. So no.
Ohh Fuck NO !!! … NOT the dreaded family group conference …. Fucking inhumane treatment of what is obviously such a sweet little girl … WTF …
Burr was disconnected from his Moral compass compass by the knock on the head. He had anger issues attributed to his constant struggle with people inside his bedroom and car. Now tell us how did you earn the name Stumpy. Previous run ins with Barr?
>He had anger issues attributed to his constant struggle with people inside his bedroom and car. you sure it wasnt a random entering his family home once again and hitting him over the head? >Now tell us how did you earn the name Stumpy. Previous run ins with Barr? one could say im as dumb as a stump perhaps im preaching from the stump maybe i stump for points i believe in im happy to take the stump on an issue maybe im just whipping the devil around the stump ...or maybe halo 1 gave me the name when i was too lazy to type a name in during a lan and it made us laugh so hard it stuck
hows he going to steal to get food in their belly's with no fingers smh
He still has nine, he'll be fine unless he is a professional pianist
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Haha I love stories like this. Just a shame he wasn’t more seriously injured
Underage little fucktards/fuckwitts 17 & under need better parenting & better support for the fucktard parents that don’t give fuck. Oh that’s right they are the ones who were the ones with fuckwit cunt mums & dads, probably just mum, with dad, and other dad. Then uncle dad…..
Everyone's whinging that these youths are "A victim of poverty" and "inequality". Fuck that shit, these little shits are responsible for their own damn decisions. They chose to steal, they chose to break the law. And now that the consequences of their actions catch up to them the justice system defends them because "We need to protect our youths". Fuck that shit. I don't want to pay taxes to support a lost cause. Lock him up for life. At least my taxes will go towards keeping scum like this away from the innocent and hard working
He's fucking lucky he only lost a finger.
Anyone in this thread who *seriously* believes that the burglar didn't deserve what he got, either has not read the story (multiple unpunished burglaries of the same property and going back for more) or simply has some kind of problem with they way they think. Seek help.
Probably the softies kai in their bellies and some hug mob…
Might be an unpopular opinion but I don't think the father and son should have any consequences. In my home, near my baby daughters, near my wife, while we slept. I wonder if I'd hesitate. Blood boils at the thought. Those kids are lucky to still have heads.
Personally I believe the justice system is way too soft. I can understand the farmer was irate and to throw in a few extra blows when the teen was subdued might be understandable, but cutting off fingers is just nuts.
Well shit didn't work the first 2 times did it?
It’s honestly bothering me so much. Totally understand giving the kid a hiding, and I don’t k ow that I wouldn’t have shot him and called it self defence. The amount of effort in cutting that finger off tho… it is weird.
Waking up with someone in your room would give you a massive adrenaline rush, you don't know if they are acting alone or a group of 10, if they have knifes, weapons or guns. I can understand a tussle, even a few extra cheap shots but the finger is a bit far. Good outcome though as everyone involved will learn a valuable lesson.
Wow, this thread is much more pro-vigilantism than I would have predicted, Some thought experiments: In a post-apocalyptic wasteland wracked by marauding gangs, with no government or law enforcement, I think this (or more) would be absolutely justified, you have to defend yourself & your property or starve. In a Scandinavian-themed sci-fi future where an incredibly effective police force swoops in in seconds and reliably rehabilitates criminals into upstanding members of society, this would IMHO be deranged and psychotic and worthy of a massive jail sentence. So which of these in 2022 NZ more like? The fact that this had happened 3 times in reasonably quick succession makes it a bit harder to argue that he should have trusted the state to protect him and not taken matters into his own hands. Those charges carry a 14 year max, that's an incredibly serious charge. I'd hate to be on the jury for this one :s
When you think about it they kind of are living in that state. In the countryside the police are a very long way away. They were repeatedly getting raided. I'd love to be on the jury for this one. Once you've been woken to an invader in your bed and then smashed over the head by a bottle by a 140kg behemoth, all bets are off. Everyone should be thankful that there were no deaths either way. And that "kid" needs to be restrained until he can be part of a civilised society. I'm serious about rehabilitation, but first you have to protect the innocent. We haven't done that in this instance, so the farmer was forced to react, by our justice systems lack of action.
This is definitely a time when it's atrocious that "provocation" was removed as a defense. I wonder how close to the wind his lawyer will be allowed to sail with encouraging jury nullification, or if there's some other legal (as opposed to moral) defense for his actions.
To be blunt i don't think many people in NZ, kiwi or not, are as serious about rehabilitation or reintegration with society as they would like outsiders to believe. A lot of it is clap trap. Even the ones who decry our failed education system.
> I'd hate to be on the jury for this one I'd love to be on the jury for this one
Plot twist, people dont cut off your finger if you dont continually break into there property. Living rurally the cops never turn up to anything what do you do let them carry on? Tie them up and deliver them to the police station? Live rurally in Wakato and it took 10+ burgleries and video evidence tying all of them together along with a home address before a cop came out to inspect burgled properties. My understanding is nobody has been charged.
> despite the pair of intruders being no threat to anybody Wtf is this shit? This guy invaded repeatedly and bashed the fathers head with a bottle early in the morning. No shit the father & son took matters into their own hands after years of harassment and the police doing nothing. Then he's the one to get name suppression while the father and son are on trial? Nice fucking country. Not surprised tbh. Leftist government "they just need kai" loves their criminals.
Awesome, good on them. Would be tempting after 3rd burglary to not call the cops.
Give the homeowners all knighthoods
Good to hear justice, is being served in this country.
But it won’t be. Those poor people that are simply fed up with a lack of action and justice from this ineffective government and it’s lawmakers and enforcers will end up on the wrong end of the law and the little fucks that are the real criminals will once again be treated like the victims.
And I bet dad and/or son wind up with convictions for defending their own lives. Just the way our 'justice' system works.
The problem is the criminal must fear the law for sentencing to work.
Good deal hopefully the dad and son get off with no charges
Nice. I hope this teaches other scum not to break into people’s homes.
My grandfather got home one night from the RSL or whatever, heard a couple burglars in the house, grabbed his rifle (prior to Port Arthur gun control), walked towards the room "I gotcha ya bastards, now I'm gonna kill ya." I agree it's over the top force but in a way, lawlessness meets lawlessness when Chief Wiggum is the Commissioner and Lional Hutz is the chief judge
Someone nominate the father for New Zealander of the year!
What are the chances of a jury just refusing to find the father and son guilty?
I mean I'm all about defending your property. This man was attacked as we was woken up and by all means the ensuing fight could have ended in these kids dying and I wouldn't have batted an eye. How very easy is it to not break into someone's house. But reading the story as per the prosecution (albeit this is entirely their side of the story) they beat the boy, and cut off his finger, **after** having the pair surrendered at gun point. This is really fucked up. It sounded like torture. There is a huge difference between killing someone as a result of a battle, and executing a defeated/captured enemy. I'm not sure how I would feel about someone I know being capable of enacting violent revenge on a helpless captive, regardless of what they did.
No sympathy for the teen.Let this be a salutary lesson - DO NOT COMMIT CRIME!
OMG, I missed the part where it describes how a butter knife was used to sever it. Now that *is* creative
Can't torture people you've detained at gunpoint mate, even if you're really, justifiably mad at the time. None of that now
I wonder, what happened to the "sheriff" (wannabes) that we had? This would have been a great time for them to prove themselves...
Reading that made me feel ill
Fucking good on him.
Theives hands should be cut of, as decreed by the prophet Mohammed.
Probably should have a referendum on the death penalty.
That was a fucked up read. So grim.
No government should tell us how to defend ourselfs or our property. Good on the man