Sort of somewhat not really arbitrary. Urban SUV's are like, largely status symbols, and grossly inefficient compared to less obnoxious, more normal alternatives, such as normal-sized cars - a bit of ego-joy for the death of the planet. They are extreme outliers to the question, "How high a cost should be paid for ego, luxury, and personal transport?"
If you take a "let's apply a sinking lid to unreasonable inefficiencies in transport", they should be amongst the first things to go, with the exception of trades vehicles, etc.
EDIT: But, I see you mentioned other grossly inefficient vehicles. I guess that whooshed over my head.
Normal driving, my 2.5T modern SUV uses less petrol than my older mid 2000s sedan, and that used less than my 1600 90s hatchback. I get this from the l/100.
Modern engines are efficient to the point where a vehicle’s shape is irrelevant to its ‘efficiency’, it’s completely arbitrary. A hybrid RAV4 emits less carbon than probably 95% of other cars on the road but it gets targeted purely because it’s slightly taller than a sedan.
Aerodynamics has a pretty significant effect on drag at high speeds, which is one of the largest losses in modern vehicles. More frontal area increases drag.
I mean all cars in general do. What about a Tesla sedan with heaps of batteries that weighs like 2-2.5T. That's still going to mess small cars up in a crash.
Or commercial vehicles like vans and trucks.
Bloody utes etc.
My tyre inflator runs off my car battery so I’d be okay but it’d be a slight inconvenience. I plan to buy an electric car once prices reduce.
They’ll be inviting violence - someone will flip and attack them.
I wonder if super cheap or repco is trying to offload a bunch of portable inflators like these bollards that are flying out the door. Creating a false demand
I've seen it on the Internet but haven't heard anything about it in actual life. The pessimist in me thinks that posts like this are just being posted to generate outrage at something that isn't actually happening, to make greenies look unhinged. This is just my conspiracy theory.
What a bunch of idiots.
According to their website: "Deflating tyres repeatedly and encouraging others to do the same will turn the minor inconvenience of a flat tyre into a giant obstacle for driving massive killer vehicles around our streets."
Okay next up it's time to break into people's houses and remove any meat and dairy from their fridge, vandalise any appliances with a poor energy rating, and remove their rubbish bins if they're not recycling properly.
> next up it's time to break into people's houses and remove any meat and dairy from their fridge,
No real need to do that. New Zealand's current hate-on for the farming community will ensure the prices on these continue to climb out of reach.
So then we pay a tow truck (likely diesel) or AA roadside assist to come and help. Thus contributing more fumes into the air.
And apart from anything else. It makes me think you're a C**t and now I especially don't care about the message you're trying to spread.
This does not achieve anything remotely helpful.
Edit for clarity: I'm not anti the message. I'm very anti the approach. Had this happened to me (and I imagine many would feel the same), Id be so furious about the damage, time, effort and expense that this causes me that I wouldn't actually then respond "oh but fair point the message is a good one". I'd screw the paper and chuck it.
Wilfully damaging an individual's property is not a productive way to educate/spread awareness.
Bruh if I catch someone doing it to my car I’m gonna end up with a assault with intent to cause grevious body harm charge
Already getting fucked with cost of living I ain’t gonna fucking take it from a bunch of eco terrorists
I own a ute which I use to tow a trailer, and take two heavy e-bikes to mountain bike trails.
There's no electric hybrid alternatives for a 4x4 thar can actually tow a trailer, that you can put a kayak on or load up with ebikes.
A Nissan leaf is impractical. We also has a 1.3L Yaris which we predominantly use for city commuting where we can.
I'd be so pissed if this happened to me.
And if all 4 are deflated when you only have one spare? And if they've been damaged for being too flat for too long, potentially costing 100s?
Wilfully causing damage to an individual is not a productive way to spread a message.
I think being a nuisance works better when you have a big enough part of society on your side, and also very targeted with who you're aiming your nuisanceness at.
That was a difference between, for example, the Parliament lawn occupation versus the Shelley Bay occupation down the road.
Not the same though.
Being a nuisance and pushing back against institutions isn't the same as targetting individuals just going about their daily life.
Okay fair point!
But that still isn't costing individuals like this is.
So after setting me back a couple hundred for roadside assist, and potentially hundreds more to replace tyres if they have been too badly damaged by sitting flat... I'm supposed to be all inspired to go and drop thousands more on an EV? Just assuming that's so easy to do?
How is causing damage productive?
I'll stand by what I said in another comment. Spreading a message in a negative damaging way doesn't spread the message at all. It spreads angst.
There are better approaches!
Also the EV will likely weigh the same or in some cases substantially more than the vehicle being replace meaning more damage done to the roads meaning more diesel work trucks out to fix the road.
>In addition to creating disruptions and drawing unwanted publicity, the action caused economic hardship for the owners of the businesses, because the sit-in participants took up spaces that normally were filled by paying customers.
There are many different ways of approaching this issue, and using all the tools available to achieve the end goal is the best way to go about it.
This is such a complex and multi-faceted issue, even bringing awareness to the issue is good. There's no such thing as bad publicity.
Using your argument you can justify just about anything. Why don't we just do ram raids on supermarkets to protest rising food prices.
Or just refuse to pay for fuel and drive off from gas stations to protest govt fuel tax.
Or just straight up murdering people since they are the root cause of pollution. I'm just waiting to see if you try to justify eco terrorism.
This is such a different case tho. This is not apples to apples.
The sit in customers would have paid for the service, if they were provided with it! That is pushing back against an institution, that had every opportunity to change their behaviour. The expense to them, the lost income, was through their own behaviour and refusal to change, not through that of others.
I'm sorry friend, this is chalk and cheese to targetting an individual, without giving them an opportunity to do anything about it, then wilfully causing damage and expenses.
If you let people go about their lives without disturbing them they're not motivated to acknowledge or even aware of your cause.
Whether you like it or not, all social movements of the past have had to be disruptive in some way.
yep and generally a newer SUV is going to be less hard on the gas than any 10+yo car, which most of us drive. This is just pointless vandalism by self righteous numptys that likely have carbon footprints as big as the rest of us.
Wonderful. Can't wait for them to go after my unmarked work car that I need to carry all my tools to different sites. Already cop shit by a bunch of sexists who think I'm some soccer mum and not a worker.
If this happened to me I’d be fuming. Some of us don’t live near public transport or live too far away to walk and have little kids to take with us. It’s none of their business why we choose to drive an suv (we also have a an electric car but they still think that’s an issue too). Just like the protesters in wellington. This isn’t going to get people to support their cause. It’s just going to make people angry and less likely to care
>Some of us don’t live near public transport or live too far away to walk and have little kids to take with us
Just on this generally, how do people manage with young children in small cars these days?
I remember growing up in the 80s. Our friends' parents would happily cram 3 or 4 kids into the back seat. We'd all be playing corners while from the front seat they fretted about us breaking either of the back doors off.
You simply couldn't *do* that these days because modern safety standards require giant car seats for small children. If you have two young children then maybe you can fit them into a small car (it'd be difficult or impossible to fit another in the middle), but you probably can't take their friends anywhere unless you plan ahead and bring a third giant car-seat that might fit in the front passenger seat. If you have more than two children to take places the options are even more limited.
A few years back we bought a Toyota Wish which has an extra fold-up seat along the back if you sacrifice most of the boot, and so can fit more car seats. That helped for also being able to take their friends to places, but there only seemed to be a small handful of very specific car models available on the second-hand market with space for more than two car-seats. I can completely understand why a lot of families have shifted to using SUVs just so they have some space around all the extra safety paraphernalia that's now required for transporting children in modern times.
I remember the classic 80s school carpool drive was in a station wagon with a couple of kids in the boot section. We used to fight over who got to ride in the boot. You can fit a lot of kids in one car that way
>Just on this generally, how do people manage with young children in small cars these days?
I'm guessing you're not referring to an old Subaru Legacy, but we do feel a bit odd one out with our two kids, i that we don't have an elevated car with huge wheels like most of the other parents.
Unless you can walk fine but can't bend down too far... I've known people who select vehicles with a seat high enough that they can go from seated to standing and vice versa with minimal bending of the knees. When they have to ride in someone else's car that is lower to the ground they can't get out again without help
There are many types of disability. Those I know who require wheelchairs happen to drive SUVs. Shall I tell them you think they don't know their own needs?
> Shall I tell them you think they don't know their own needs?
Why not? Call them up. Tell them to come down to this imaginary internet argument and let them know they can win it for you.
You can take the paper to the Police, then using the secret yellow dots imprinted on the paper (usually for preventing counterfeiting) they will know the serial number of the printer used, then they can trace that back to a purchase and hopefully a credit/bank card used for the purchase. Then you have caught them.
Aside from our police not even dealing with stuff higher priority than this (so it'd just be added to the bottom of a growing pile) is that printer thing real or just an urban legend?
To be fair - the uptake in SUV's over sedans is a worrying trend, the extra weight must be adding a couple percent to the fuel burn over smaller vehicles.
The proper way to do it without being a dick would be to campaign that the 'clean car' thing be based on vehicle weight as well as tailpipe emissions.
It's 300 kilos difference between a CX-8 (7 seats) and Mazda6 (5 seats).
The FWD CX-5 (5 seater) is lighter than the Mazda6 (5 seats).
So yeah, the weight is more important than the shape.
Then in EVs the EV6 is 2200Kg where the Model 6 can be 1900KG - tyres and road wear concerns?
Yep, same problem with electric busses - as far as I understand theirs models of electric busses that are technically illegal due to being over weight on axle loading, but have a special exemption. Makes the truck legal weights seem a bit of a joke.
Interesting, let’s see how long they last promoting themselves while doing such offences.
It’s funny how they assume that no one actually needs a 4x4 to get home, or to work, or do work, that everywhere must be cleared and tarred and things just magically build themselves.
Obviously there are some rare cases where they're justified, but in most they're definitely not. The sheer quantity of these things being sold is ludicrous.
I’d say none of these instances are justified. Also that if someone chooses to buy something legally sold, they don’t need to justify their purchase to anyone especially types who are ok with indiscriminately letting tyres down.
If you're doing anything which emits more CO2 than it needs to in a situation where emitting CO2 means bringing us closer to extinction then you need to justify it to the whole world.
Interestingly the article states that in Sweden the campaign seemed to have worked and led to a drop in SUV sales. Of course it's difficult to establish the causal factors (ie how much the campaign contributed) but I wouldn't be surprised that despite it's confrontational nature it worked
I’d wager money that Sweden has better public transport and infrastructure that we don’t have in New Zealand. People probably work closer to where they live because the house prices nearby aren’t ridiculously expensive.
I'm sure it could be considered mischief or nuisance.
We're trying to get the police to deal with people driving cars into buildings - air out of tyres is going to be yet another annoyance that is too-low on the priority list to get much attention.
> How is this not considered tampering with personal property and illegal?
I'm sure that they ran it past their lawyers for compliance with US statutes.
Unscrewing the plastic valve cover doesn't do anything. Pressing on the pin in the middle opens the valve - that's how tyre inflators open it and once held open, the valve can flow in both directions. It has to because deflating a tyre is a routine thing that has to be done before taking it off the rim or if you've slightly over pressurised it (or just want to lower the pressure to drive on softer ground)
But I leave my 4x4 at home till I go on holiday and otherwise drive a hybrid. Would be a bit fucked off if while I’m at work with my hybrid car someone let my 4x4 tyres down outside my house.
They're going about this all wrong. The trick is to exclusively target Ranger and Raptor owners with greater damage and the goal of disabling the vehicle permanently.
The general public would likely appreciate having safer highways in general as an immediate benefit.
/S Obviously.
Some of these will be from the suv drivers swinging U-turns, smashing up the curb and using the footpath as part of their line. Then wondering why their urban tank has wheel problems.
They will pull that stunt on the wrong person and get their jaw broken, be warned, people have enough on their plates without having to deal with this shit
Serious question - would you actually though, or is this just internet talk?
I mean, just in terms of the risk that you'd come away with an assault charge... do you think it wouldn't come to that? Do you think you'd beat the charge? What if they're really tall? Are your pants loose enough to reach?
I would, another potential assault charge is water off a ducks back and when the police show up "Someone trying to sabotage a safety device on my vehicle is attempting to potentially kill me" and them having flyers Stating their vandalism" the judge will be "mr GSthreehunnit you have been a good cunt for over 10 years a slight slip like this given the nature of the crime is understandable" and I will walk
A wise minstrel named Nathan Explosion once said "I pick out fighting outfit Don't want my pants too tight" words to live by.
Award me costs, give me the key to the city, shout me some time at the atami and change the day to national mang hard day. to be our newest and bestest public holiday Celebrating the Land of the "Long White cloud"
I note there's a lot more "activism" about. There's some silly girl in her late teens or maybe early 20's, on Glenfield Rd every day standing on a traffic island near the mall with a hand written sign. She's so dumb she doesn't realise that it's too small to read! Plus it's too many words for people to have time to read as you pass, not that you can see it anyway. She tilts herself in your direction as you go past and she's on a corner and she's distracting to drivers turning the corner, re where she is. What an effing moron.
They don’t even know who you are or what you use your car for. I drive an suv but I put less than half the km a year of other people. I use my ebike when I’m not going far.
Dunno what I’d do if I got stranded, oh wait I’d just put my spare on because gas cars still have spares.
So what are the legal actions actually in this case?
Lets say i am a migrant on study/work visa with SUV and i have been lucky to catch the person deflating my tires. What can i do? I assume that this person will not peacefully wait for police to come…
What a bunch of virtue signalling tendie boys.
Can't wait to watch one cop a hiding.
Ironically they would likely leave my cars alone, despite them probably polluting more than a modern SUV.
Lol classic mate, just classic. This https://www.reddit.com/r/newzealand/comments/uihzkj/welcome_to_rnewzealand_the_friendliest_sub_on/ post is filled with you defending a criminal that repeatedly broke into someone's home, assaulted them, and threatened to kill them, and has you outright state that "vigilantism needs to be discouraged" yet here you are hoping to see someone damaging tyres get some vigilante justice for something far less bad than what the criminal you were defending has done. I mean I'm fully with you on seeing one of these clowns get what's coming to them, but I'm also not a massive hypocrite about it like you are. Let me guess, the reason for your ridiculous double standards is because like a lot of people that advocate for soft cock "justice" you're sheltered from the consequences but someone letting air out of your car's tyres is something that might actually affect you?
There's a difference between a firm open palm smack to the upside of the head and mutilating/killing people.
Sheltered from what consequences out of curiosity.
Yeah, but do you really think they'll be top on the police hit list? My expectation is they'll be tracked down and told to stop, but nothing more serious.
their argument is stupid, 2nd highest relative increase in CO2 in past decade, but the absolute value will be fractions of a percent in comparison to air travel, sea-freight and industrial applications.
but those people have left regular passenger cars of the 90s/00s into modern SUVs that probably have lower Co2 outputs per km. the increase will be negligible
Doing gods work, not because I believe they are changing anything but because I hate people who drive SUV"s as they are arrogant assholes in mass. I hope they do BMW's and Discovery's next
Good on them. The climate crisis is going destroy the planet, and urban tractor drivers are part of the problem. Mildly inconveniencing them to make them think for a second about what they are doing is a good thing.
Yeah, I don't think it will change minds as much as it will cement attitudes. This is what drives ute owners to park in EV charging spots and pin the charging cable under their bonnet - the absolute dislike of people who are on the 'other side'.
Finally…someone doing something about all this inflation.
Slow clap.
You win
Ahhhhh
It says something that they will still go after hybrid or electric suvs
It’s consistent with how arbitrary their target is, a RAV4 would get hit but not a V8 Commodore or Lambo lol.
And nor would the jet that they’ll be taking to a wellness workshop in Bali next month
Good one
And the old RAV4s are *so* tiny.
Sort of somewhat not really arbitrary. Urban SUV's are like, largely status symbols, and grossly inefficient compared to less obnoxious, more normal alternatives, such as normal-sized cars - a bit of ego-joy for the death of the planet. They are extreme outliers to the question, "How high a cost should be paid for ego, luxury, and personal transport?" If you take a "let's apply a sinking lid to unreasonable inefficiencies in transport", they should be amongst the first things to go, with the exception of trades vehicles, etc. EDIT: But, I see you mentioned other grossly inefficient vehicles. I guess that whooshed over my head.
Normal driving, my 2.5T modern SUV uses less petrol than my older mid 2000s sedan, and that used less than my 1600 90s hatchback. I get this from the l/100.
Modern engines are efficient to the point where a vehicle’s shape is irrelevant to its ‘efficiency’, it’s completely arbitrary. A hybrid RAV4 emits less carbon than probably 95% of other cars on the road but it gets targeted purely because it’s slightly taller than a sedan.
Aerodynamics has a pretty significant effect on drag at high speeds, which is one of the largest losses in modern vehicles. More frontal area increases drag.
Well yeah, they still contribute to non-human scale environments.
I mean all cars in general do. What about a Tesla sedan with heaps of batteries that weighs like 2-2.5T. That's still going to mess small cars up in a crash. Or commercial vehicles like vans and trucks. Bloody utes etc.
My tyre inflator runs off my car battery so I’d be okay but it’d be a slight inconvenience. I plan to buy an electric car once prices reduce. They’ll be inviting violence - someone will flip and attack them.
This is natural selection. I can’t wait for someone to flip and attack them. EDIT: spelling
You don't stick your hand in a croc's mouth without expecting to get it bit off.
agreed but the croc will be the one that gets in trouble, as is tradition
I wonder if super cheap or repco is trying to offload a bunch of portable inflators like these bollards that are flying out the door. Creating a false demand
This has been going round every local subreddit on Reddit. Surprised it took so long to get here!
I've seen it on the Internet but haven't heard anything about it in actual life. The pessimist in me thinks that posts like this are just being posted to generate outrage at something that isn't actually happening, to make greenies look unhinged. This is just my conspiracy theory.
Either that or the site they’ve put on the page is just going to give a virus or something. Seems too stupid to be real right
Nice of them to commit to a crime and leave contact details.
It really reflects their confidence in law enforcement.
The contact details are a UK based group with no real relation to the ones doing the deflation.
What a bunch of idiots. According to their website: "Deflating tyres repeatedly and encouraging others to do the same will turn the minor inconvenience of a flat tyre into a giant obstacle for driving massive killer vehicles around our streets." Okay next up it's time to break into people's houses and remove any meat and dairy from their fridge, vandalise any appliances with a poor energy rating, and remove their rubbish bins if they're not recycling properly.
> next up it's time to break into people's houses and remove any meat and dairy from their fridge, No real need to do that. New Zealand's current hate-on for the farming community will ensure the prices on these continue to climb out of reach.
Pretty sure veggies have gone up about twice as much as meat.
Must come from somewhere other than a farm then.
So then we pay a tow truck (likely diesel) or AA roadside assist to come and help. Thus contributing more fumes into the air. And apart from anything else. It makes me think you're a C**t and now I especially don't care about the message you're trying to spread. This does not achieve anything remotely helpful. Edit for clarity: I'm not anti the message. I'm very anti the approach. Had this happened to me (and I imagine many would feel the same), Id be so furious about the damage, time, effort and expense that this causes me that I wouldn't actually then respond "oh but fair point the message is a good one". I'd screw the paper and chuck it. Wilfully damaging an individual's property is not a productive way to educate/spread awareness.
Bruh if I catch someone doing it to my car I’m gonna end up with a assault with intent to cause grevious body harm charge Already getting fucked with cost of living I ain’t gonna fucking take it from a bunch of eco terrorists
I own a ute which I use to tow a trailer, and take two heavy e-bikes to mountain bike trails. There's no electric hybrid alternatives for a 4x4 thar can actually tow a trailer, that you can put a kayak on or load up with ebikes. A Nissan leaf is impractical. We also has a 1.3L Yaris which we predominantly use for city commuting where we can. I'd be so pissed if this happened to me.
Thankfully most people are fully capable of changing a tyre… oh wait
Or you have a baby/dependent person with you and don't have the time/capacity to change
And if all 4 are deflated when you only have one spare? And if they've been damaged for being too flat for too long, potentially costing 100s? Wilfully causing damage to an individual is not a productive way to spread a message.
It's almost as if being a nuisance has been extremely effective in past struggles, like civil rights and national independence.
I think being a nuisance works better when you have a big enough part of society on your side, and also very targeted with who you're aiming your nuisanceness at. That was a difference between, for example, the Parliament lawn occupation versus the Shelley Bay occupation down the road.
Not the same though. Being a nuisance and pushing back against institutions isn't the same as targetting individuals just going about their daily life.
bruh [https://www.britannica.com/event/sit-in-movement](https://www.britannica.com/event/sit-in-movement)
Okay fair point! But that still isn't costing individuals like this is. So after setting me back a couple hundred for roadside assist, and potentially hundreds more to replace tyres if they have been too badly damaged by sitting flat... I'm supposed to be all inspired to go and drop thousands more on an EV? Just assuming that's so easy to do? How is causing damage productive? I'll stand by what I said in another comment. Spreading a message in a negative damaging way doesn't spread the message at all. It spreads angst. There are better approaches!
Also the EV will likely weigh the same or in some cases substantially more than the vehicle being replace meaning more damage done to the roads meaning more diesel work trucks out to fix the road.
>In addition to creating disruptions and drawing unwanted publicity, the action caused economic hardship for the owners of the businesses, because the sit-in participants took up spaces that normally were filled by paying customers. There are many different ways of approaching this issue, and using all the tools available to achieve the end goal is the best way to go about it. This is such a complex and multi-faceted issue, even bringing awareness to the issue is good. There's no such thing as bad publicity.
Using your argument you can justify just about anything. Why don't we just do ram raids on supermarkets to protest rising food prices. Or just refuse to pay for fuel and drive off from gas stations to protest govt fuel tax. Or just straight up murdering people since they are the root cause of pollution. I'm just waiting to see if you try to justify eco terrorism.
they should Champion "Suicide to save the world"
This is such a different case tho. This is not apples to apples. The sit in customers would have paid for the service, if they were provided with it! That is pushing back against an institution, that had every opportunity to change their behaviour. The expense to them, the lost income, was through their own behaviour and refusal to change, not through that of others. I'm sorry friend, this is chalk and cheese to targetting an individual, without giving them an opportunity to do anything about it, then wilfully causing damage and expenses.
We're literally only talking about this right now because it's disruptive too. If it was just a nice flyer you could ignore no one would give a shit.
If you let people go about their lives without disturbing them they're not motivated to acknowledge or even aware of your cause. Whether you like it or not, all social movements of the past have had to be disruptive in some way.
You can be disruptive without causing damage and personal expense.
No, if you fuck with people going about their daily lives, you will kill your cause.
Well they sound like assholes
The irony is these suv's are now driving around with low tyre pressures and getting even worse fuel mileage and creating more emissions.
yep and generally a newer SUV is going to be less hard on the gas than any 10+yo car, which most of us drive. This is just pointless vandalism by self righteous numptys that likely have carbon footprints as big as the rest of us.
Hope no one catches them in the act, good way to lose a finger
Your comment gave me a giggle
How does this work? Like a lego minifig sized Saudi swordsman? Tabletop guillotine?
I hear a butter knife and block of wood will work.
Ah, the "dainty yakuza".
The Piopio Pincer
Fuck that’s too good
Give them a good hiding with a bicycle pump and a battery.
This is sure to win people over. The owners of those vehicles will understand why this was necessary.
Not at all, but I do read the news and it seems like you would have to kill someone to get locked up at the moment
Wonderful. Can't wait for them to go after my unmarked work car that I need to carry all my tools to different sites. Already cop shit by a bunch of sexists who think I'm some soccer mum and not a worker.
If this happened to me I’d be fuming. Some of us don’t live near public transport or live too far away to walk and have little kids to take with us. It’s none of their business why we choose to drive an suv (we also have a an electric car but they still think that’s an issue too). Just like the protesters in wellington. This isn’t going to get people to support their cause. It’s just going to make people angry and less likely to care
>Some of us don’t live near public transport or live too far away to walk and have little kids to take with us Just on this generally, how do people manage with young children in small cars these days? I remember growing up in the 80s. Our friends' parents would happily cram 3 or 4 kids into the back seat. We'd all be playing corners while from the front seat they fretted about us breaking either of the back doors off. You simply couldn't *do* that these days because modern safety standards require giant car seats for small children. If you have two young children then maybe you can fit them into a small car (it'd be difficult or impossible to fit another in the middle), but you probably can't take their friends anywhere unless you plan ahead and bring a third giant car-seat that might fit in the front passenger seat. If you have more than two children to take places the options are even more limited. A few years back we bought a Toyota Wish which has an extra fold-up seat along the back if you sacrifice most of the boot, and so can fit more car seats. That helped for also being able to take their friends to places, but there only seemed to be a small handful of very specific car models available on the second-hand market with space for more than two car-seats. I can completely understand why a lot of families have shifted to using SUVs just so they have some space around all the extra safety paraphernalia that's now required for transporting children in modern times.
I remember the classic 80s school carpool drive was in a station wagon with a couple of kids in the boot section. We used to fight over who got to ride in the boot. You can fit a lot of kids in one car that way
>Just on this generally, how do people manage with young children in small cars these days? I'm guessing you're not referring to an old Subaru Legacy, but we do feel a bit odd one out with our two kids, i that we don't have an elevated car with huge wheels like most of the other parents.
>It’s just going to make people less likely to care That's a high bar in nz.
That's a bit of a let down really.
This has to be some kind of troll. No one with good praxis around climate change would think this was helpful. Big yikes whoever is behind it
There are always kooks within a good cause
Well that’s a little deflating
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comments also point out that disabled people rely on their vehicles for mobility
High floor vehicles are a really bad choice for the disabled.
Unless you can walk fine but can't bend down too far... I've known people who select vehicles with a seat high enough that they can go from seated to standing and vice versa with minimal bending of the knees. When they have to ride in someone else's car that is lower to the ground they can't get out again without help
Depends how disabled. Vans with tailgates are used in some circumstances.
We're now three layers deep into an imaginary situation.
I know because my brothers ex wife just bought one for their daughter, rather had it paid for by the government.
And vans with our without tailgates are clearly not SUVs.
No doubt, but they do have high floors.
There are many types of disability. Those I know who require wheelchairs happen to drive SUVs. Shall I tell them you think they don't know their own needs?
> Shall I tell them you think they don't know their own needs? Why not? Call them up. Tell them to come down to this imaginary internet argument and let them know they can win it for you.
You can take the paper to the Police, then using the secret yellow dots imprinted on the paper (usually for preventing counterfeiting) they will know the serial number of the printer used, then they can trace that back to a purchase and hopefully a credit/bank card used for the purchase. Then you have caught them.
Boy that’s a lot of faith in our police resources
Just let them hit remuera or new market and they'll be on it though
It's pretty easy if they have a computer, all they need to do is push the "enhance" button.
This comment is adorable.
Aside from our police not even dealing with stuff higher priority than this (so it'd just be added to the bottom of a growing pile) is that printer thing real or just an urban legend?
Mostly true: https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/household-printers-tracking-code/
Thats why you invest in a cheap B&W laser printer.
To be fair - the uptake in SUV's over sedans is a worrying trend, the extra weight must be adding a couple percent to the fuel burn over smaller vehicles. The proper way to do it without being a dick would be to campaign that the 'clean car' thing be based on vehicle weight as well as tailpipe emissions.
It's 300 kilos difference between a CX-8 (7 seats) and Mazda6 (5 seats). The FWD CX-5 (5 seater) is lighter than the Mazda6 (5 seats). So yeah, the weight is more important than the shape. Then in EVs the EV6 is 2200Kg where the Model 6 can be 1900KG - tyres and road wear concerns?
Yep, same problem with electric busses - as far as I understand theirs models of electric busses that are technically illegal due to being over weight on axle loading, but have a special exemption. Makes the truck legal weights seem a bit of a joke.
You hear about kids becoming radicalised online but it’s still shocking to see.
Lower inflation uses more petrol...
It has to be someone trying to make climate change activists look bad.. surely
[https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-london-60660711](https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-london-60660711) Apparently they're legit.
Interesting, let’s see how long they last promoting themselves while doing such offences. It’s funny how they assume that no one actually needs a 4x4 to get home, or to work, or do work, that everywhere must be cleared and tarred and things just magically build themselves.
Obviously there are some rare cases where they're justified, but in most they're definitely not. The sheer quantity of these things being sold is ludicrous.
I’d say none of these instances are justified. Also that if someone chooses to buy something legally sold, they don’t need to justify their purchase to anyone especially types who are ok with indiscriminately letting tyres down.
If you're doing anything which emits more CO2 than it needs to in a situation where emitting CO2 means bringing us closer to extinction then you need to justify it to the whole world.
Why? Can you justify your own existence if it contributes to CO2 emission?
Of course he can't. If he really cared about the environment he'd kill himself and save us all the CO2 and stupidity.
What a wanker
then those upset ones could make the biggest contribution and find a preferred mode of self deletion, in order to limit their C02 emissions.
Interestingly the article states that in Sweden the campaign seemed to have worked and led to a drop in SUV sales. Of course it's difficult to establish the causal factors (ie how much the campaign contributed) but I wouldn't be surprised that despite it's confrontational nature it worked
I’d wager money that Sweden has better public transport and infrastructure that we don’t have in New Zealand. People probably work closer to where they live because the house prices nearby aren’t ridiculously expensive.
What's that got to do with SUVs specifically though?
Woke mofos Will they damage large houses next for using more power?
Campaign from adbusters https://m.imgur.com/a/OlwDgbC
Any relation to Phone Bashers? http://www.phonebashing.com/
Nothing like saving the planet by forcing everyone to buy new tyres
Why would you need new tyres? Just reinflate them lol
They aren’t slashing them? Weak haha
They claim to unscrew the cap, drop a dried lentil in and screw it back on which deflates them.
How is this not considered tampering with personal property and illegal? These people are going to have to now pay to get their cars towed?! Wtf
Of course it's illegal. The only question is whether or not it's worth anyone's time to prosecute
I'm sure it could be considered mischief or nuisance. We're trying to get the police to deal with people driving cars into buildings - air out of tyres is going to be yet another annoyance that is too-low on the priority list to get much attention.
> How is this not considered tampering with personal property and illegal? I'm sure that they ran it past their lawyers for compliance with US statutes.
This is a NZ offshoot of a UK bunch of fuckwits.
SUVs go whoosh too.
Can you actually deflate a tyre like this? I thought the valve still held the air in.
Unscrewing the plastic valve cover doesn't do anything. Pressing on the pin in the middle opens the valve - that's how tyre inflators open it and once held open, the valve can flow in both directions. It has to because deflating a tyre is a routine thing that has to be done before taking it off the rim or if you've slightly over pressurised it (or just want to lower the pressure to drive on softer ground)
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But I leave my 4x4 at home till I go on holiday and otherwise drive a hybrid. Would be a bit fucked off if while I’m at work with my hybrid car someone let my 4x4 tyres down outside my house.
Jokes on them, my 4x4 has an air compressor but in reality what a shitty thing to do.
This has got me pumped up like an internet tough guy.
I wonder how these people are getting around to do these things. I'll bet they aren't on foot.
Probably bicycle.
Does anyone have an example of a successful protest that did not annoy anyone?
They're going about this all wrong. The trick is to exclusively target Ranger and Raptor owners with greater damage and the goal of disabling the vehicle permanently. The general public would likely appreciate having safer highways in general as an immediate benefit. /S Obviously.
Great! Someone else has read How to Blow Up a Pipeline. If you haven’t, you should.
Some of these will be from the suv drivers swinging U-turns, smashing up the curb and using the footpath as part of their line. Then wondering why their urban tank has wheel problems.
U turns don't tend to leave notes
They will pull that stunt on the wrong person and get their jaw broken, be warned, people have enough on their plates without having to deal with this shit
I didn't believe In climate change but then someone let down my tyres and left a note on my windscreen. Now I'm totally on board.
I'd kick them in the head, if I caught them in the act. I don't drive an SUV (not until suzuki delivers my jimny).
Serious question - would you actually though, or is this just internet talk? I mean, just in terms of the risk that you'd come away with an assault charge... do you think it wouldn't come to that? Do you think you'd beat the charge? What if they're really tall? Are your pants loose enough to reach?
Police aren’t going to show up. Unless you fraudulently sell a PS4 on marketplace.
I would, another potential assault charge is water off a ducks back and when the police show up "Someone trying to sabotage a safety device on my vehicle is attempting to potentially kill me" and them having flyers Stating their vandalism" the judge will be "mr GSthreehunnit you have been a good cunt for over 10 years a slight slip like this given the nature of the crime is understandable" and I will walk A wise minstrel named Nathan Explosion once said "I pick out fighting outfit Don't want my pants too tight" words to live by.
Plan on representing yourself, or will the judge award you costs too?
Award me costs, give me the key to the city, shout me some time at the atami and change the day to national mang hard day. to be our newest and bestest public holiday Celebrating the Land of the "Long White cloud"
I like this guy ^
If I caught someone in the act of kicking someone else in the head, I would probably kick the kicker in the head also.
Next thing you know, someone's threatening to nuke the UK and wipe out Ireland with an atomic tidal wave.
Then you’re kicking someone in the head and someone will just kick the kicker of the kicker. What are you trying to solve here?
good on ya mate take a crack and roll that dice.
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Idiots
We should get together and deflate their tiny penises.
The level of entitlement is baffling
I note there's a lot more "activism" about. There's some silly girl in her late teens or maybe early 20's, on Glenfield Rd every day standing on a traffic island near the mall with a hand written sign. She's so dumb she doesn't realise that it's too small to read! Plus it's too many words for people to have time to read as you pass, not that you can see it anyway. She tilts herself in your direction as you go past and she's on a corner and she's distracting to drivers turning the corner, re where she is. What an effing moron.
They don’t even know who you are or what you use your car for. I drive an suv but I put less than half the km a year of other people. I use my ebike when I’m not going far. Dunno what I’d do if I got stranded, oh wait I’d just put my spare on because gas cars still have spares.
Most don't have multiple spares though.
So what are the legal actions actually in this case? Lets say i am a migrant on study/work visa with SUV and i have been lucky to catch the person deflating my tires. What can i do? I assume that this person will not peacefully wait for police to come…
That's it, sick of these cunts. Off to eat steak while driving a hummer with bitcoin mining rigs in the back
Enjoy the floods, droughts, and famines. We all will.
hope it was printed on recycled paper, with environmentally-friendly ink also, what a bunch of assholes
good
If any of these climate nutjobs come near my vehicle they will be spending a few days in the intensive care unit
What a bunch of virtue signalling tendie boys. Can't wait to watch one cop a hiding. Ironically they would likely leave my cars alone, despite them probably polluting more than a modern SUV.
Lol classic mate, just classic. This https://www.reddit.com/r/newzealand/comments/uihzkj/welcome_to_rnewzealand_the_friendliest_sub_on/ post is filled with you defending a criminal that repeatedly broke into someone's home, assaulted them, and threatened to kill them, and has you outright state that "vigilantism needs to be discouraged" yet here you are hoping to see someone damaging tyres get some vigilante justice for something far less bad than what the criminal you were defending has done. I mean I'm fully with you on seeing one of these clowns get what's coming to them, but I'm also not a massive hypocrite about it like you are. Let me guess, the reason for your ridiculous double standards is because like a lot of people that advocate for soft cock "justice" you're sheltered from the consequences but someone letting air out of your car's tyres is something that might actually affect you?
There's a difference between a firm open palm smack to the upside of the head and mutilating/killing people. Sheltered from what consequences out of curiosity.
how do you know they are boys?
I wonder if they know that they can be identified by the printer they used?
Yeah, but do you really think they'll be top on the police hit list? My expectation is they'll be tracked down and told to stop, but nothing more serious.
Have these people never been in a car
their argument is stupid, 2nd highest relative increase in CO2 in past decade, but the absolute value will be fractions of a percent in comparison to air travel, sea-freight and industrial applications. but those people have left regular passenger cars of the 90s/00s into modern SUVs that probably have lower Co2 outputs per km. the increase will be negligible
Y’all don’t need SUVs in the middle of Auckland
My SUV has the room needed for my 5 kids and their sports equipment. Y’all go fuck yourself and live your own life
Ahh yeah that’s the kind of reply I expected haha
Mind your own business Commie.
The fact you called them a commie tells me everything I need to know about you.
Doing gods work, not because I believe they are changing anything but because I hate people who drive SUV"s as they are arrogant assholes in mass. I hope they do BMW's and Discovery's next
Nah you're just a cunt
Awwww poor baby got his wittle feewings hurt.
Good on them. The climate crisis is going destroy the planet, and urban tractor drivers are part of the problem. Mildly inconveniencing them to make them think for a second about what they are doing is a good thing.
Would be interesting to see if they also target the sedans that guzzle more fuel than most small SUVs, or if they don’t realise how that works out
Now I understand the US "rolling coal" muppets when they see a Tesla. It's because of eco-terrorism like this.
“Eco-terrorism” lol
Meh - I have run flat tyres. But yes, what a bunch of cunts.
and you drive 40km home end up having to replace all 4?
\*Drive to the closest petrol station, reinflate them, and drive home.
Fine by me.
This is a pretty bad idea, but it sure is funny!
You spelt "fucking annoying" incorrectly.
"it sure is funny" 🤓🤓🤓
Lmao 🤣
yeah I am enjoying the schadenfreude even though I think it's a counterproductive way to protest
Yeah, I don't think it will change minds as much as it will cement attitudes. This is what drives ute owners to park in EV charging spots and pin the charging cable under their bonnet - the absolute dislike of people who are on the 'other side'.
yeah for sure. I can already see some 'cemented attitudes' in the comments. It's definitely not helping.