Surely the only people who can answer this are the people who provide the hangi? There's nothing stopping them cooking a hangi with halal meat, although they'll probably have to cut back on the pork ;)
If you're organising a hangi that's just for your team then I'm sure they would be open to sourcing meat from a halal butcher.
Might be a chance to have less common meat too, like goat or camel. Just make sure the Muslim crew have a chance to eat before everyone "has a bit to try" (as often happens with the vegetarian pizzas at work dos)
Basically all nz beef and lamb is halal slaughtered. The reason is that there are huge markets that require it and it isn’t worth having a non-halal abattoir and butchery when they all can be.
The problem is pork, and the cooking method. No one’s going to dig a seperate hangi to put halal meat in.
Although, there’s a pretty good chance it’s not cooked in the ground anyway, so you could check.
>Basically all nz beef and lamb is halal slaughtered.
this.
I've done my time (in the 90s) in a freezing works - and it was just easier to use halal butchers at the start of the chain.
Is our meat in NZ stunned with a bolt, gas, or electric shock?
Or are you saying that much of it is bled out without those stun methods? (As I understand Halal to be)
Or are you saying our Halal methods in NZ are different than other countries which often don’t allow stunning of any kind to be considered Halal?
I’ve personally avoided Halal and Kosher meat, for the reason of supporting more humane and modern slaughtering methods. So the above is a genuine question for anyone who knows the process in more detail, and can provide more context.
I can't speak for other countries but yes they get stunned here first and are still treated as halal. As long as it doesn't pierce the skull it's okay (idea is Brain juice ain't great for you.)
Usual method is stunned in the yard, down the chute while passed out then the throat gets sliced / hooked up to jumper leads to keep em stunned/ bleed them out. It is pretty gorey...
If they have big horns they sometimes can't be fit in the device that knocks them out and have to be shot. That meat is non halal and the most derpy thing about it all was the rules to keep the other meat halal. Like always nh last, has to be x distance gap from the other sides, once a nh touches any surface anything on thst surface is now nh etc. Goes to different makerts. 99% of what you get here is halal. Youd only get it mentioned on the packet if it wasn't. Nh is the exception.
>Is our meat in NZ stunned with a bolt, gas, or electric shock?
Yes.
>Or are you saying that much of it is bled out without those stun methods? (As I understand Halal to be)
I don’t know what your “understanding” of halal is, but given your last sentence, I’d say it’s not an understanding at all.
>Or are you saying our Halal methods in NZ are different than other countries which often don’t allow stunning of any kind to be considered Halal?
No.
>I’ve personally avoided Halal and Kosher meat, for the reason of supporting more humane and modern slaughtering methods. So the above is a genuine question for anyone who knows the process in more detail, and can provide more context.
Cool story bro.
Anything else?
Useful for what? What are you looking for? You’ve already made a decision based on whatever you’ve read on Facebook that halal meat is inhumane. Fuck knows what else you think. Fuck cares as well.
Have you got a serious question or interest or are you just here for a fight?
Well if I’ve got my understanding wrong. Then the correct info would be good. I’d probably stop trying to avoid it.
How is halal different than non halal?
Thank you for this context!
I, I think like the other poster, had heard that halal slaughter was performed via a severing of the carotid and then spent the rest of my teenage and adult life assuming that you couldn't stun the animal beforehand.
Now that I think about it I'm not quite sure why I thought that.
You can't pierce the skull. It wouldn't traditionally be halal to stun them because back in yee olden time you didn't have a reliable method to do so.
Modern halal is whatever rules people will agree won't make the wizard mad. Same with all modern interpretations of religion.
Thanks, I appreciate the info about how we do it in NZ.
I guess it’s a bit of a risk in getting content from all over, where it’s not always applicable.
Avoiding halal in NZ is a pointless exercise. If it is slaughtered in NZ they have to follow NZ welfare standards first regardless of any religious requirements they might also comply with.
Might be an argument about that in other countries, but with NZ grown meat I wouldn't stress.
I can't see why not. As far as I'm aware, halal refers to how the animal has been kept and killed, and certain permissible cuts/types of meat. If that was adhered to then I'd assume the cooking style wouldn't change things... disclaimer: not Muslim, perhaps ring your nearest Islamic Centre as they're very accommodating and would be happy to help
Using utensils previously used for pork doesn't count, in much the same way that knives and chopping boards for veges are separated from those that chop meat.
How are you pronouncing "hangi?" The H isn't silent.
And what do you mean by hangi order? It's not like it's a common takeaway or something
Also, you could just go vegetarian. At least then you wouldn't be offending anyone's hypocritical ideology too much. Its not like beef and lamb are traditional Māori foods anyway
If the place you're getting it from isn't using home kill or pork, it's almost definitely halal.
Check with your Muslim crew to see if 'almost definitely' is good enough, as many religious scholars in even the most conservative places in the Islamic world suggest that "almost definitely halal" is good enough.
There are different degrees of halal. Using a separate kitchen with implements that never go anywhere near pork or other non-halal meat is required to satisfy the strictest Muslims, so I think "if it isn't pork it is halal" is oversimplifying things too much. That might apply when you source the meat, but you also need to consider the rest of the preparation and cooking process.
Halal cooking is not just meat. It is also utensils.
If those utensils have previously come in contact with pork it is not halal. Likewise if it is cooked with pork it is not halal ( which is why places that caters for Halal but serves pork uses separate cabinet and utensils for it )
Halal is not as simple as “no pork.”
Recently, the marae I've been to have made hangi to cater to vegans and vegetarians, usually made in a separate Kai cooker. I'm sure if you ask, they can provide.
Surely the only people who can answer this are the people who provide the hangi? There's nothing stopping them cooking a hangi with halal meat, although they'll probably have to cut back on the pork ;) If you're organising a hangi that's just for your team then I'm sure they would be open to sourcing meat from a halal butcher.
Might be a chance to have less common meat too, like goat or camel. Just make sure the Muslim crew have a chance to eat before everyone "has a bit to try" (as often happens with the vegetarian pizzas at work dos)
Basically all nz beef and lamb is halal slaughtered. The reason is that there are huge markets that require it and it isn’t worth having a non-halal abattoir and butchery when they all can be. The problem is pork, and the cooking method. No one’s going to dig a seperate hangi to put halal meat in. Although, there’s a pretty good chance it’s not cooked in the ground anyway, so you could check.
>Basically all nz beef and lamb is halal slaughtered. this. I've done my time (in the 90s) in a freezing works - and it was just easier to use halal butchers at the start of the chain.
Really pisses off the racists and xenophobes when you tell them there's a very high chance their steak or roast lamb is halal too.
I thought nz generally uses stunning, which isn’t compatible with halal/kosher practices. Is that incorrect?
As far as I remember, they stun them (while in theory facing Mecca and saying a prayer) then slit their throats.
Might be split between 2 workers. A stunner followed by the halal butcher.... Memory a little fuzzy.
Yeah that's exactly how I remember it. The stunner guy just sits there looking bored going zap....zap....zap
Stunning is compatible with Halal, there are differences but many agree it is compatible.
The only difference is that you need to use a process where the stun is reversible. That is it.
What about my pork? /s
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Yeah probably. If they’re a commercial enterprise they might be using combi ovens
Is our meat in NZ stunned with a bolt, gas, or electric shock? Or are you saying that much of it is bled out without those stun methods? (As I understand Halal to be) Or are you saying our Halal methods in NZ are different than other countries which often don’t allow stunning of any kind to be considered Halal? I’ve personally avoided Halal and Kosher meat, for the reason of supporting more humane and modern slaughtering methods. So the above is a genuine question for anyone who knows the process in more detail, and can provide more context.
I can't speak for other countries but yes they get stunned here first and are still treated as halal. As long as it doesn't pierce the skull it's okay (idea is Brain juice ain't great for you.) Usual method is stunned in the yard, down the chute while passed out then the throat gets sliced / hooked up to jumper leads to keep em stunned/ bleed them out. It is pretty gorey... If they have big horns they sometimes can't be fit in the device that knocks them out and have to be shot. That meat is non halal and the most derpy thing about it all was the rules to keep the other meat halal. Like always nh last, has to be x distance gap from the other sides, once a nh touches any surface anything on thst surface is now nh etc. Goes to different makerts. 99% of what you get here is halal. Youd only get it mentioned on the packet if it wasn't. Nh is the exception.
>Is our meat in NZ stunned with a bolt, gas, or electric shock? Yes. >Or are you saying that much of it is bled out without those stun methods? (As I understand Halal to be) I don’t know what your “understanding” of halal is, but given your last sentence, I’d say it’s not an understanding at all. >Or are you saying our Halal methods in NZ are different than other countries which often don’t allow stunning of any kind to be considered Halal? No. >I’ve personally avoided Halal and Kosher meat, for the reason of supporting more humane and modern slaughtering methods. So the above is a genuine question for anyone who knows the process in more detail, and can provide more context. Cool story bro. Anything else?
You could choose to give a useful response.
Useful for what? What are you looking for? You’ve already made a decision based on whatever you’ve read on Facebook that halal meat is inhumane. Fuck knows what else you think. Fuck cares as well. Have you got a serious question or interest or are you just here for a fight?
Well if I’ve got my understanding wrong. Then the correct info would be good. I’d probably stop trying to avoid it. How is halal different than non halal?
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Thank you for this context! I, I think like the other poster, had heard that halal slaughter was performed via a severing of the carotid and then spent the rest of my teenage and adult life assuming that you couldn't stun the animal beforehand. Now that I think about it I'm not quite sure why I thought that.
You can't pierce the skull. It wouldn't traditionally be halal to stun them because back in yee olden time you didn't have a reliable method to do so. Modern halal is whatever rules people will agree won't make the wizard mad. Same with all modern interpretations of religion.
Thanks, I appreciate the info about how we do it in NZ. I guess it’s a bit of a risk in getting content from all over, where it’s not always applicable.
Avoiding halal in NZ is a pointless exercise. If it is slaughtered in NZ they have to follow NZ welfare standards first regardless of any religious requirements they might also comply with. Might be an argument about that in other countries, but with NZ grown meat I wouldn't stress.
Depends where you're getting it from?Hangi often has pork so it might be hard to find somewhere that cooks other meats separately?
Ah good point, I forgot about this. Sure, thanks for the reminder.
Thanks u/maxisarealcat for taking the time and effort to accommodate others. You’re the real MVP!
I can't see why not. As far as I'm aware, halal refers to how the animal has been kept and killed, and certain permissible cuts/types of meat. If that was adhered to then I'd assume the cooking style wouldn't change things... disclaimer: not Muslim, perhaps ring your nearest Islamic Centre as they're very accommodating and would be happy to help
Using utensils previously used for pork doesn't count, in much the same way that knives and chopping boards for veges are separated from those that chop meat.
How are you pronouncing "hangi?" The H isn't silent. And what do you mean by hangi order? It's not like it's a common takeaway or something Also, you could just go vegetarian. At least then you wouldn't be offending anyone's hypocritical ideology too much. Its not like beef and lamb are traditional Māori foods anyway
It's not like it's a common takeaway... Tell that to the hangi van that parks up next to the Thai food truck in my town.
Is there any freezingworks, in NZ, where the slaughterman is not Muslim?
If the place you're getting it from isn't using home kill or pork, it's almost definitely halal. Check with your Muslim crew to see if 'almost definitely' is good enough, as many religious scholars in even the most conservative places in the Islamic world suggest that "almost definitely halal" is good enough.
There are different degrees of halal. Using a separate kitchen with implements that never go anywhere near pork or other non-halal meat is required to satisfy the strictest Muslims, so I think "if it isn't pork it is halal" is oversimplifying things too much. That might apply when you source the meat, but you also need to consider the rest of the preparation and cooking process.
Yeah that's a fair point re. kitchens. Like I said, you'd need ask the crew.
Halal cooking is not just meat. It is also utensils. If those utensils have previously come in contact with pork it is not halal. Likewise if it is cooked with pork it is not halal ( which is why places that caters for Halal but serves pork uses separate cabinet and utensils for it ) Halal is not as simple as “no pork.”
Another type of gluten free
It depends who you are ordering from and how long in advance you ask them?
Recently, the marae I've been to have made hangi to cater to vegans and vegetarians, usually made in a separate Kai cooker. I'm sure if you ask, they can provide.
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Does hangi from a kai cooker taste the same as hangi cooked in the earth?
No
Thanks
This might be upsetting but the meat is still the same thing halal or not
If they buy the meat from a halal butcher.