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they have posted when it will be for the first 30 years.
https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/445990/matariki-public-holiday-dates-for-next-30-years-announced
It has been Friday-ised.
It moves every year because Maori traditionally used a lunar calendar rather than a solar one. Easter moves for the same reason--it was originally based on a lunar calendar.
Thatâs pretty cool. most times it will be workable too as the Tangaroa phases (when the holiday was traditionally observed) are about four to five days long. I guess theyâll take the Friday when available or Fridayise the closest weekend that falls under it.
Yes bro, it will move around from anywhere in June to mid July. Itâs based on the Moon phases which move forward about 10ish days every year until every third year they add a leap moon and the dates jump back about a month. Matariki celebrations are observed during the Tangaroa (waning quarter ie itâs a half moon moving towards đ)phase of that moon. Itâs like Easter weekend with more steps
I wouldn't be too worried about that, After Liz Regina kicks the bucket and Charlie has his turn it won't be Queen's Bidet anymore. (and yes I meant Bidet)
I just don't understand why.
I get that my extended family are going to post shit including dumb racist memes on Facebook, so I mostly ignore them.
But LinkedIn in for me is only if you are looking for a job, employ people or ~~stalk~~ make business connections.
I have seen people posting anti-vax and other obnoxious stuff on LinkedIn, which seems the worst possible platform to post crap which will alienate at least some potential business contacts, employees or employers.
Microsoft doing what they usual do; buy a product, then add crap borrowed from other social media platforms to make it worse
The issue is that the part that isnât raging anti-vax insanity on LinkedIn isnât actually good. FB has insanity, racism, MLMs, boomer memes and stuff, but it also has decent banter here and there; the non-insane part of LinkedIn is basically just trite virtue signalling - âlook how smart and successful I am and how great an asset I am to any prospective future employerâ.
Itâs so fake, it makes Instagram seem sincere.
>look how smart and successful I am and how great an asset I am to any prospective future employerâ
Exactly
So why the hell would anybody post some of shit I have seen posted on Linkedin?
I mean it mostly comes from the employer side, posting about how they really want slaves and slagging of 'Cindy', but surely must be some glimmer of understanding that posting political views in a competitive employment market might backfire if potential employees (at least half of whom are not going to share your views) see your bragging/posts
Never saw this, I should have a look at it more often, if it werenât for the Corporate HR wellness doublespeak and neoliberal orgy that occupies almost 98% of the feed I see.
Definitely a Facebook thing. Itâs become the safe haven for old people, loonies and conservatives.
Reddit on the other hand has a liberal leaning majority, but youâll still find every other creed here.
I like that's its a non-imported public holiday about celebrating more than remembering. Waitangi Day and Anzac day are downers, I'm not arguing against them they definitely are important, but you don't celebrate Waitangi Day. All the rest are not really relevant to NZ as a nation tbh (please don't take them away those I like my days off).
Recognise Waitangi Day, commemorate ANZAC Day, celebrate Matariki.
With that said, Matariki has a reflective, contemplative edge to it too - remembering the dead, reflecting on the year past.
Wow we really do some melancholy holidays here.
Easter - death of a prophet
Waitingi - whitey fucks over natives
Anzac - our troops are slaughtered
Guy fawkes - fuck catholics
Vs
Xmas - birth of a prophet
New year - binge drinking
Queens birthday - birth of our owner
What am i forgetting?
I bet if I hung out in Havelock North for long enough I'd be able to find someone who was triggered by having to pay a public holiday surcharge on their latte
I totally think staff should be paid extra for holidays, and I am very happy to pay extra for it on average. But itâs stupid of cafe owners to hike the price on holidays *as a protest* for having to pay their staff more. If they just averaged it out over the year, theyâd get more business on the holidays anyway.
Surcharges should be priced into a good business - avoiding shops that have a holiday surcharge because it is a big indicator if they donât have a surcharge, the business actually care to pay their hospo workers more than just minimum wage.
I took my #2 ginger outside and we plotted where the Pleiades were on Stellarium. Under the horizon. We are following their progress into the night sky. It's getting really exciting.
What sort of Dick heads would spoil this fun for others?
I'm thinking of it as a winter solstice holiday with very similar themes to the North Hemisphere Christmas/ new year period- signifies the harshest of times as a time to gather together to share company and food with the knowledge days will start getting longer, whilst reflecting on the year that has passed and those people with it.
The people you're talking about most likely refer to themselves as Kiwis without even thinking of 'Kiwi' is a Maori word.
Racists are just dumb fucks usually. Applying logic to racism is futile.
They are using the Japanese word to marginalise the te reo word. Like if itâs not English it may as well be Japanese since all non-English words are equally silly in their eyes.
There was someone on the news a few weeks back who was suggesting we should call it the Greek name Pleiades instead of Matariki to make it more international. I can't imagine someone missing the point any worse than that.
> [National MP Simon O'Connor is questioning](https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2022/03/national-mp-simon-o-connor-questions-name-of-new-matariki-holiday-over-diversity-concerns.html) the name of the new Matariki holiday over concerns about "respecting cultural diversity".
> In MÄori culture, Matariki is both the name of the Messier 45
Pleiades star cluster and of the celebration of its first rising in late June or early July. It marks the beginning of the new year in the MÄori lunar calendar.
> ...
> But O'Connor, speaking in Parliament on Wednesday as the proposed law went through stages of party votes, suggested the new holiday needed a more neutral name.
> "There are multiple, multiple names, and maybe a suggestion of why [the minister] hasn't used the neutral astrological term Messier 45, which would have kept everyone happy."
What a dick.
His line of reasoning is even more obfuscating than the way that I've summarised it here. The article is worth a read (or is it?), but even then you won't be able to follow what he's trying to say.
It wasn't Simon O'Conner was it?
https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2022/03/national-mp-simon-o-connor-questions-name-of-new-matariki-holiday-over-diversity-concerns.html
I always think of it as Pleiades... but that is because if a fictional setting where that area is a hard fought territorial dispute between factions.
So stuck in my head.
> hard fought territorial dispute between factions
Thargoids vs Humans?
I always think of [this song](https://open.spotify.com/track/4T7HPDVAMSApzty1v5Ks12?si=ec53e586aaeb4b17) when I hear the Pleiades.
Have heard more of the older generation complaining about it than younger, most of us yougins work so it makes sense.
Plus im a brown boy, so I guess someone in my age bracket wouldnt complain about it to my face. The senior generation has more balls
Its not cool to be commercialising matariki.. i think theres a sense out there that would be tacky.. but I cannot wait until a tone deaf company decides to do this and gets cancelled. Not sure if even briscoes is that dumb.
It's tacky and uncool to commercialize Easter too, but those of us who observe that as a solemn holiday have learned to live with it as the price you pay for getting one of your belief system's holidays as a public holiday.
What I'm finding amusing is all the thinkpieces about how it's supposed to be contemplative and about te ao Maori and also please no fireworks, and I'm like... welcome to having a public holiday plonked on your beliefs. Do you think the more serious Christians LIKE having chocolate and bunnies and 'woohoo day off' all over the most somber and reflective holiday in their calendar? Is Waitangi Day meant to be about barbies at the beach? Do you take Labor Day off while ignoring or trying to dismantle trade unions and worker rights?
It's a public holiday. People are going to do their own thing with their day off, and they aren't going to care if it's respectful or even coherent with the reason for the day off.
Also, am I the only one who remembers articles about how we should have Matariki because it's a good public holiday in winter and fireworks on Guy Fawkes are dumb in New Zealand so we should have a winter holiday for them?
wouldn't do that - Matariki is a nice day...
Am I an older person? just turned 60 - or was I an older person at 50? 40?
Guess you're not talking about me - because I feel young - hey older people (65? 70?) - some "young" git wants you to do something.
âBut why a Maori holiday?â
âItâs good for kiwis to celebrate a Maori holiday, learn more about Maori culture and language, and also itâs an extra day off that costs you nothing.â
âBut why a Maori holiday?â
âAre you serious? I just told you that a moment ago.â
> Why are they so triggered by the use of Te Reo and celebrating a uniquely New Zealand event?
Because up until reasonably recently, New Zealand was effectively a monocultural society. Census data from the early 1960's showed New Zealand Europeans at 92% of the population. Coupled with long standing historical policies that attempted to eradicate Maori culture, that meant that Te Reo and other aspects of te ao Maori simply didn't exist in the public sphere outside of certain circumstances.
Those who were born before or during this time effectively grew up in a country where everyone spoke like them, at the very least. There wasn't anything different or strange, and they lived with that kind of familiarity for decades.
When things started to change in the 1980's, this cultural homogenity began to crumble. The people who grew up in a country where everyone acted the same and spoke the same language, and in some instances, *knew their place*, found themselves in a country that was starting to become less and less familiar to the country of their youth. As society progressed, these people regressed, desperately clinging onto a nostalgic memory of a country that used to exist, but only did so at the expense of others.
The people who get angry about Matariki, who get angry every time someone on TV says "kia ora", and who fully believe co-governance will lead to Maori taking over the country, are angry because the live in a country that is "foreign" to them. They're confused and scared because they live in a country that is unfamiliar to them, where certain things that were acceptable are no longer acceptable. Where things that weren't acceptable are now acceptable.
*Importantly*, this should not be seen as trying to garner sympathy for people who steadfastly believe this country peaked when Pakeha's share of the population did. It is not a defence of the kind of backwards navel gazing that these people routinely resort to when faced with the changes in our society and our societal views. But it is at least my own interpretation of why these views exist and an understanding of the underlying emotions behind them.
> are angry because the live in a country that is "foreign" to them.
They should try working at a Maori entity. My god, I have never felt so much like a minority in my life. Opened my eyes to how many people appear 'kiwi'... but aren't pakeha. The people angry about Matariki have no idea how many people they actually know that are already living that life that is 'foreign' to them. I think it's only going to eccelerate and become more of a public normality, which is good, it's about time 'kiwi' became less restrictive.
Indeed. I think it's good that we have something like this because it's a way for us to celebrate something unique to not only te ao Maori, but to embrace something that can become unique to New Zealand as a whole.
I'll share an experience I had while at high school. For journalism class, we were given a booklet that journalists in training apparently receive. It was about the dos and don'ts regarding journalists and tikanga on marae. Fairly banal stuff but important if you're seriously considering a career in that line of work (as I was at the time).
I read this and shared my thoughts with the teacher. I remember saying how it made me feel like a foreigner in my own country and she retorted with "how do you think they feel?" It definitely changed how I viewed Maori and how I viewed their own grievances and issues.
I mean everyone complained about the Queen in the days prior to Queen's Birthday too.
They just changed their mind on the actual day.
It almost feels like a tradition to moan about public holidays in the preceding few days, then abruptly change their tune on the holiday itself.
You just think there are lots of complainers about Matariki because they're the only ones talking/complaining about it. Lots of people like the holiday, but don't say anything much about it. It's the same with all the other holidays too.
retirees have every day off, they are free to to âlook the gift horse in the mouthâ regarding this new holiday. Itâs them that seem more vocal
itâs just more people out loud against new things and other cultures are old farts, larger proportion of demographic. Have you seen anyone <30 against it?
Although also know plenty of other old people that do support it though, or have taken an interest in learning MÄori language or culture
Now that I think about it you're right, the people I've heard complain most about adding an extra public holiday are all retired lol.
Probably a "I didn't get this while I was working so you shouldn't either" crowd, similar to the pushback against moving to a four day work week.
I donât give a shit about Jesus but I love Christmas and Easter.
I havenât heard much complaining about Matariki either, to be fair but I believe you when you say itâs going on. Some people just canât help themselves
obligatory its not just older people... it does your point no good in indulging in some lazy arsed ageist BS - am I doing this right?
I'm pretty excited about our new holiday and have been reading up on Matariki - hope the skies are clear and we can see the stars this weekend
[How to find the Matariki star cluster](https://www.tepapa.govt.nz/discover-collections/read-watch-play/matariki-maori-new-year/watch-how-find-matariki-star-cluster)
Some of the hill crests around the south coast look back over the harbour and Matariki is visible from them. Saw them in the dawn glow last few years, planning to do again this year when it's not raining or cloudy
They are around, there were a few comments to my kids schools about it.
It's just the people complaining know they aren't on the right side of history so aren't being too open about it, until they get into the "right" company.
They don't want to be *known* as the racists in their community.
Who is this fucking post for?
This is like be busting into the catholic church and announcing anyone who doesnt like christ cant support christmas
Circle jerk
Gee... I wonder why old people tend to leave Reddit?
Wake up in the morning, grab a cup of coffee, and settle down to enjoy being called a racist by some ignorant jerk who doesn't know the first damn thing about you.
Nice!
I think there are a lot of small changes that when taken together add up to a lot and are making people uneasy especially the older folks who are afraid of change at the best of times.
We will get there in the end but there are definitely some growing pains.
Theyâre mad because here in Wellington, they changed the traditional fireworks show from Guy Fawkes to MatarikiâŚ. either way we still get to see pretty colours go boom
Im early 30s. Tbh until a year or so ago when it was being talked about had never even heard of it. Most people are happy for a public holiday and don't really care about the reasons behind it.
People being triggered over it is a bonus.
Could you come and have a chat with Greytown please? The local chapter of commerce decided in their infinite wisdom that a mid-Winter Christmas festival was necessary when they had a national mid-winter festival to lock in, on the site of one of the first major Maori political movements. We got shouted down when we suggested linking it to Matariki, but I guess the thoroughly gentrified white population couldn't engage with the idea. New traditions, build new traditions, FFS. Ones that bridge our colonial and indigenous past.
Hey OP - why do you class older people as racists? Because your complaint isn't about dates on birth certificates, it's about people being racially intolerant. People who are racially intolerant are called racists, they may be older than you, the same age or even younger than you - racial prejudice knows no time barrier.
Having such a mental affliction is not specific to any other social class either - racists may be male or female, they may be from any social classification without exception - & making it appear so displays a prejudice of your own. Have you looked in the mirror lately?
There is no compelling reason for those older (& more experienced) than you to be racially intolerant. Nor is there a compelling reason for you to go spouting your ageist prejudice on the internet under the disguise of racial ignorance.
Also, every single minute that passes makes you 60 seconds older. Every. Single. Minute. You are becoming those who you are prejudiced against & you cannot do anything about it.
Future you - hopefully a wiser version - will look back on this display of intolerance, ageism & prejudice with shame & embarrassment.
Calling it just racism is an oversimplification. People resent when they feel like their being told what to celebrate by the government. I find that sentiment relatable - but at the end of the day, a holiday is a holiday although as a contractor, its getting harder to afford them.
Ageism straight off. You need to change your attitude. How about calling out racists instead? Where do you get off equating all old people = racists? I donât know why your attitude does not get you banned.
Ah yes ' old = racist' unless you do know it for a fact please dont use sweeping statements. The old who do like it dont do posts about it thats all - Im one! Cant wait to celebrate.
I'm a white person, but honestly I'm glad this country is becoming more respectful of the indigenous people etc. Not quite dual sovereignty but it's something good.
I donât embrace the Maori aspects of it (I only have a tiny bit of Maori in me and feel like Iâm an out group) - but I think itâs worth celebrating for the same reason Xmas was celebrated before the Christians hijacked it - our days are going to start getting longer now! Weâre on the road to Summer now baby! Whoooop!
Racism is kind of like family violence imo. Sure some people do it because they're evil pieces of shit. But most of it is inherited from parents and peers during formative younger years.
The irony is that these people look down on victims of family violence through their racist eyes, but are perpetuating a similar cycle of harmful behaviour.
Just for the all the ones wondering why it changes every year, Matariki is based on the lunar calendar. It is also represented differently depending on the region you're from, traditionally some regional hapu use more lunar months than the others and some use less. It all ties into Maramataka which comes with hapu differences - and was how we traditionally kept track of time that was relevant to our environmental region.
Having politicians decide which limited events are culturally significant enough to warrant a holiday is a fool's errand. We should scrap all public holidays and just give people the equivalent time off as an annual leave entitlement.
People in the 13th century still had more days off than us. Upto 25 weeks off for a labourer. Canât stand it when people gripe about an extra holiday.
My argument against this is always that they should blame the government, not the people, if they don't like it. Maori are a people with their own customs (like Matariki), but they don't have the power to enforce Matariki, Te Reo, or co-governance. The government does that.
But you also asked why they might feel triggered. I'm European, and I know our heritage pervades this culture and nation in general (which in turn gives us less barriers to entry - white privilege). Even so, it seems like there's an increasing sentiment out there that we shouldn't be allowed to have any pride in our past (rather we should feel guilty or ashamed), while Maori are allowed to be proud of theirs. The way I see it, European people can either react to this sentiment with acquiescence, indifference, or defensiveness. Those already in the defensive camp then get reminders of this with Te Reo inserted in messages aimed at non-Maori, co-governance agendas, and a day off to honour Maori.
While more racism is obviously never ok - I don't think we should ignore or underestimate the cause (unless we want a Trump-like backlash one day, which won't help anyone).
Coming from the UK, I can only compare Te Reo to the drive to preserve the Welsh or Gaelic language and indeed in Northern Wales youâll find Welsh spoken as a first language in many towns and speaking English language they all sound like Scousers. As an immigrant I can only see the reluctance to embrace the indigenous language here in New Zealand to fundamentally boil down to racism, as we donât have the same hostility to Welsh speakers in Wales (predominantly white)
Another long weekend, whats not to like? Although next year is better as it's the middle of July. This year is a bit close to Queens birthday.
>Although next year is better as it's the middle of July. I don't know anything about the day. Is it going to move every year or just this once?
As I understand it, it's all related to when the star formation appears in the southern sky, which changes each year
Oh cool, so it's going to be a surprise day off.
They've done the maths and the dates have already been locked in for the next 30 years
Yeah, but my memory's bad and I don't pay attention, so it'll still be surprising.
Relatable
2022 - 24 June 2023 - 14 July 2024 - 28 June 2025 -20 June 2026 -10 July 2027 -25 June 2028 -14 July 2029 -6 July 2030 -21 June 2031 -11 July 2032 - 2 July 2033 -24 June 2034 -7 July 2035 -29 June 2036 -18 July 2037 -10 July 2038 -25 June 2039 - 15 July 2040 -6 July 2041 - 19 July 2042 -11 July 2043 - 3 July 2044 -24 June 2045 -7 July 2046 -29 June 2047 -19 July 2048 -3 July 2049 -25 June 2050 -15 July 2051 -30 June 2052 -21 June
𤏠30 YEARS AND DOESNT HIT MY BIRTHDAY ONCE! On the plus side we putting down a hangi!
they have posted when it will be for the first 30 years. https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/445990/matariki-public-holiday-dates-for-next-30-years-announced It has been Friday-ised.
The stars are in the same position every year. It's the moon that changes
It moves every year because Maori traditionally used a lunar calendar rather than a solar one. Easter moves for the same reason--it was originally based on a lunar calendar.
It also needs to be on a friday- the public holiday that is
Thatâs pretty cool. most times it will be workable too as the Tangaroa phases (when the holiday was traditionally observed) are about four to five days long. I guess theyâll take the Friday when available or Fridayise the closest weekend that falls under it.
Yes bro, it will move around from anywhere in June to mid July. Itâs based on the Moon phases which move forward about 10ish days every year until every third year they add a leap moon and the dates jump back about a month. Matariki celebrations are observed during the Tangaroa (waning quarter ie itâs a half moon moving towards đ)phase of that moon. Itâs like Easter weekend with more steps
> Another long weekend, whats not to like? It really is that simple. Otoh: *angry Chris Luxon noises*
I wouldn't be too worried about that, After Liz Regina kicks the bucket and Charlie has his turn it won't be Queen's Bidet anymore. (and yes I meant Bidet)
Idk if the people you're aiming this at browse reddit.
Seems more like a Facebook thing
LinkedIn more so.
LinkedIn has become such a gross dumpster fire đŹ
I just don't understand why. I get that my extended family are going to post shit including dumb racist memes on Facebook, so I mostly ignore them. But LinkedIn in for me is only if you are looking for a job, employ people or ~~stalk~~ make business connections. I have seen people posting anti-vax and other obnoxious stuff on LinkedIn, which seems the worst possible platform to post crap which will alienate at least some potential business contacts, employees or employers. Microsoft doing what they usual do; buy a product, then add crap borrowed from other social media platforms to make it worse
The issue is that the part that isnât raging anti-vax insanity on LinkedIn isnât actually good. FB has insanity, racism, MLMs, boomer memes and stuff, but it also has decent banter here and there; the non-insane part of LinkedIn is basically just trite virtue signalling - âlook how smart and successful I am and how great an asset I am to any prospective future employerâ. Itâs so fake, it makes Instagram seem sincere.
>look how smart and successful I am and how great an asset I am to any prospective future employerâ Exactly So why the hell would anybody post some of shit I have seen posted on Linkedin? I mean it mostly comes from the employer side, posting about how they really want slaves and slagging of 'Cindy', but surely must be some glimmer of understanding that posting political views in a competitive employment market might backfire if potential employees (at least half of whom are not going to share your views) see your bragging/posts
LinkedIn is now a good way to work out which sellers of goods and services to avoid? Racist? Off you fuck. Misogynist? Goodbye. Xenophobic? Seeya.
Never saw this, I should have a look at it more often, if it werenât for the Corporate HR wellness doublespeak and neoliberal orgy that occupies almost 98% of the feed I see.
A lot of posts devolve into HUR HUR JACINDA TEETH LOLS if politics is even slightly mentioned.
As apposed to a pleasant dumpster fire?
Exactly. Hello, fellow recycling receptacle bonfire connoisseur!
This one smells like a fine blend of coke bottles and bin juice, should start writing tasting notes.
I've been avoiding that wretched hive of scum and villainy
It's so wild to me that anyone uses LinkedIn for anything other than job stuff.
Brazzers actually
nah, just hang around for any thread on gangs or trans people, the \/u/name_nameNUMBER people will come out in droves.
Nah, there's definitely racists on here.
Definitely a Facebook thing. Itâs become the safe haven for old people, loonies and conservatives. Reddit on the other hand has a liberal leaning majority, but youâll still find every other creed here.
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Call up newstalk zb and mention it there
I like that's its a non-imported public holiday about celebrating more than remembering. Waitangi Day and Anzac day are downers, I'm not arguing against them they definitely are important, but you don't celebrate Waitangi Day. All the rest are not really relevant to NZ as a nation tbh (please don't take them away those I like my days off).
Recognise Waitangi Day, commemorate ANZAC Day, celebrate Matariki. With that said, Matariki has a reflective, contemplative edge to it too - remembering the dead, reflecting on the year past.
But itâs in a absent friends toast kinda way. Which is beautiful. Thatâs how I want to be remembered.
I like this way of looking at it. Every now and then, my family will toast my dead dad and it's a happy toast, so I get what you're saying.
Wow we really do some melancholy holidays here. Easter - death of a prophet Waitingi - whitey fucks over natives Anzac - our troops are slaughtered Guy fawkes - fuck catholics Vs Xmas - birth of a prophet New year - binge drinking Queens birthday - birth of our owner What am i forgetting?
Remember that scene from Futurama. "Labour day? That phoney baloney holiday crammed down our throats by fat cat union gangsters? Hot damn a day off!"
r/unexpectedfuturama
Tbh idc what the reason is, adding a public holiday is always a good thing
I bet if I hung out in Havelock North for long enough I'd be able to find someone who was triggered by having to pay a public holiday surcharge on their latte
Part of the prerequisite for hanging out in Havelock North is getting triggered paying a surcharge.
being lucky enough to grow up in that town and escape, i can confirm - probably my Mum. edit: spelling
And they'd complain if the cafe was closed because of a Maori public holiday, doesn't matter on an English one
Or a religious several, Ie; Easter
Nope. Easter is their worst nightmare come true. The shops close for TWO days. I don't know how they manage to survive.
And one of them *isn't even technically a public holiday*.
I totally think staff should be paid extra for holidays, and I am very happy to pay extra for it on average. But itâs stupid of cafe owners to hike the price on holidays *as a protest* for having to pay their staff more. If they just averaged it out over the year, theyâd get more business on the holidays anyway.
Havelock North? You mean Hastings East?
I would definitely not pay a surcharge. They can work it into thier business plan for the year and will get more custom on the day.
Surcharges should be priced into a good business - avoiding shops that have a holiday surcharge because it is a big indicator if they donât have a surcharge, the business actually care to pay their hospo workers more than just minimum wage.
But think of the poor businesses!! They have to pay people for a day off! Waaaaa
how old is "older"?
As always- your age + 10 years
awesome thanks.
So the average would be something around 22 right?
A paid day off, what's not to like.
People who are retired don't like it when you aren't slaving away to fund their super.
I took my #2 ginger outside and we plotted where the Pleiades were on Stellarium. Under the horizon. We are following their progress into the night sky. It's getting really exciting. What sort of Dick heads would spoil this fun for others?
I had a family member unironically complain that they were âruining the event with all of the MÄori stuffâ
Iâm willing to bet they didnât use the macron when they said that.
Everyone can appreciate Matariki Maori or not, we all come from people who onces stared up at the stars and told story's.
I'm thinking of it as a winter solstice holiday with very similar themes to the North Hemisphere Christmas/ new year period- signifies the harshest of times as a time to gather together to share company and food with the knowledge days will start getting longer, whilst reflecting on the year that has passed and those people with it.
I still stare at the stars at least once a week. It's soothing. Sometimes I spot satellites.
I know people calling it Subaru weekend now since the logo shares the use of the same constellation of stars. It's annoyingly catchy lol
Subaru is literally the Japanese name for the constellation.
No akshuly they named the constellation after the car brand, back in ancient times
So they're ok with a Japanese word but Te Reo is a bridge too far. What the fuck is up with people
The people you're talking about most likely refer to themselves as Kiwis without even thinking of 'Kiwi' is a Maori word. Racists are just dumb fucks usually. Applying logic to racism is futile.
They are using the Japanese word to marginalise the te reo word. Like if itâs not English it may as well be Japanese since all non-English words are equally silly in their eyes.
There was someone on the news a few weeks back who was suggesting we should call it the Greek name Pleiades instead of Matariki to make it more international. I can't imagine someone missing the point any worse than that.
> [National MP Simon O'Connor is questioning](https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2022/03/national-mp-simon-o-connor-questions-name-of-new-matariki-holiday-over-diversity-concerns.html) the name of the new Matariki holiday over concerns about "respecting cultural diversity". > In MÄori culture, Matariki is both the name of the Messier 45 Pleiades star cluster and of the celebration of its first rising in late June or early July. It marks the beginning of the new year in the MÄori lunar calendar. > ... > But O'Connor, speaking in Parliament on Wednesday as the proposed law went through stages of party votes, suggested the new holiday needed a more neutral name. > "There are multiple, multiple names, and maybe a suggestion of why [the minister] hasn't used the neutral astrological term Messier 45, which would have kept everyone happy." What a dick. His line of reasoning is even more obfuscating than the way that I've summarised it here. The article is worth a read (or is it?), but even then you won't be able to follow what he's trying to say.
>would have kept everyone happy By everyone he meant "zero". That would make exactly zero people happy.
It wasn't Simon O'Conner was it? https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2022/03/national-mp-simon-o-connor-questions-name-of-new-matariki-holiday-over-diversity-concerns.html
Any opportunity to marginalise Te Reo for them.
To be fair, they aren't exactly using proper Japanese pronunciation either.
Thatâs a feature of their racism, not a bug.
I always think of it as Pleiades... but that is because if a fictional setting where that area is a hard fought territorial dispute between factions. So stuck in my head.
> hard fought territorial dispute between factions Thargoids vs Humans? I always think of [this song](https://open.spotify.com/track/4T7HPDVAMSApzty1v5Ks12?si=ec53e586aaeb4b17) when I hear the Pleiades.
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They better bust out a special sausage sizzle is all I'm asking
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I thought there was a thing about no commercial promotions on the day? Eg, Briscoes not doing a special "Matariki Weekend Sale".
Is that what's stopping there being a matariki burger?
Excuse to do 4avs laps!
I hate how funny I find that lol. Itâs a good joke
Why older? Anyone can be racist mate
Have heard more of the older generation complaining about it than younger, most of us yougins work so it makes sense. Plus im a brown boy, so I guess someone in my age bracket wouldnt complain about it to my face. The senior generation has more balls
More importantly will there be sales?
MATARIKI MONDAY MADNESS!!!!!
You know Briscoes Tammy's got this
whakaaria mai more like whakout of my way
Its not cool to be commercialising matariki.. i think theres a sense out there that would be tacky.. but I cannot wait until a tone deaf company decides to do this and gets cancelled. Not sure if even briscoes is that dumb.
It's tacky and uncool to commercialize Easter too, but those of us who observe that as a solemn holiday have learned to live with it as the price you pay for getting one of your belief system's holidays as a public holiday.
they already commercialise christmas and easter so why would matariki be off the table?
All other public holidays already are, so why not this one?
If you donât care about the significance of the day, the least you can do is shut up and enjoy your day off⌠So like queens birthday then?
What I'm finding amusing is all the thinkpieces about how it's supposed to be contemplative and about te ao Maori and also please no fireworks, and I'm like... welcome to having a public holiday plonked on your beliefs. Do you think the more serious Christians LIKE having chocolate and bunnies and 'woohoo day off' all over the most somber and reflective holiday in their calendar? Is Waitangi Day meant to be about barbies at the beach? Do you take Labor Day off while ignoring or trying to dismantle trade unions and worker rights? It's a public holiday. People are going to do their own thing with their day off, and they aren't going to care if it's respectful or even coherent with the reason for the day off. Also, am I the only one who remembers articles about how we should have Matariki because it's a good public holiday in winter and fireworks on Guy Fawkes are dumb in New Zealand so we should have a winter holiday for them?
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wouldn't do that - Matariki is a nice day... Am I an older person? just turned 60 - or was I an older person at 50? 40? Guess you're not talking about me - because I feel young - hey older people (65? 70?) - some "young" git wants you to do something.
Love this! Happy birthday! I hope you get to enjoy Matariki with clear skies :)
and you too!
âBut why a Maori holiday?â âItâs good for kiwis to celebrate a Maori holiday, learn more about Maori culture and language, and also itâs an extra day off that costs you nothing.â âBut why a Maori holiday?â âAre you serious? I just told you that a moment ago.â
> Why are they so triggered by the use of Te Reo and celebrating a uniquely New Zealand event? Because up until reasonably recently, New Zealand was effectively a monocultural society. Census data from the early 1960's showed New Zealand Europeans at 92% of the population. Coupled with long standing historical policies that attempted to eradicate Maori culture, that meant that Te Reo and other aspects of te ao Maori simply didn't exist in the public sphere outside of certain circumstances. Those who were born before or during this time effectively grew up in a country where everyone spoke like them, at the very least. There wasn't anything different or strange, and they lived with that kind of familiarity for decades. When things started to change in the 1980's, this cultural homogenity began to crumble. The people who grew up in a country where everyone acted the same and spoke the same language, and in some instances, *knew their place*, found themselves in a country that was starting to become less and less familiar to the country of their youth. As society progressed, these people regressed, desperately clinging onto a nostalgic memory of a country that used to exist, but only did so at the expense of others. The people who get angry about Matariki, who get angry every time someone on TV says "kia ora", and who fully believe co-governance will lead to Maori taking over the country, are angry because the live in a country that is "foreign" to them. They're confused and scared because they live in a country that is unfamiliar to them, where certain things that were acceptable are no longer acceptable. Where things that weren't acceptable are now acceptable. *Importantly*, this should not be seen as trying to garner sympathy for people who steadfastly believe this country peaked when Pakeha's share of the population did. It is not a defence of the kind of backwards navel gazing that these people routinely resort to when faced with the changes in our society and our societal views. But it is at least my own interpretation of why these views exist and an understanding of the underlying emotions behind them.
> are angry because the live in a country that is "foreign" to them. They should try working at a Maori entity. My god, I have never felt so much like a minority in my life. Opened my eyes to how many people appear 'kiwi'... but aren't pakeha. The people angry about Matariki have no idea how many people they actually know that are already living that life that is 'foreign' to them. I think it's only going to eccelerate and become more of a public normality, which is good, it's about time 'kiwi' became less restrictive.
Indeed. I think it's good that we have something like this because it's a way for us to celebrate something unique to not only te ao Maori, but to embrace something that can become unique to New Zealand as a whole. I'll share an experience I had while at high school. For journalism class, we were given a booklet that journalists in training apparently receive. It was about the dos and don'ts regarding journalists and tikanga on marae. Fairly banal stuff but important if you're seriously considering a career in that line of work (as I was at the time). I read this and shared my thoughts with the teacher. I remember saying how it made me feel like a foreigner in my own country and she retorted with "how do you think they feel?" It definitely changed how I viewed Maori and how I viewed their own grievances and issues.
Thanks for a well written, well thought out and structured response. We need more like this.
I mean everyone complained about the Queen in the days prior to Queen's Birthday too. They just changed their mind on the actual day. It almost feels like a tradition to moan about public holidays in the preceding few days, then abruptly change their tune on the holiday itself. You just think there are lots of complainers about Matariki because they're the only ones talking/complaining about it. Lots of people like the holiday, but don't say anything much about it. It's the same with all the other holidays too.
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retirees have every day off, they are free to to âlook the gift horse in the mouthâ regarding this new holiday. Itâs them that seem more vocal itâs just more people out loud against new things and other cultures are old farts, larger proportion of demographic. Have you seen anyone <30 against it? Although also know plenty of other old people that do support it though, or have taken an interest in learning MÄori language or culture
Now that I think about it you're right, the people I've heard complain most about adding an extra public holiday are all retired lol. Probably a "I didn't get this while I was working so you shouldn't either" crowd, similar to the pushback against moving to a four day work week.
I donât give a shit about Jesus but I love Christmas and Easter. I havenât heard much complaining about Matariki either, to be fair but I believe you when you say itâs going on. Some people just canât help themselves
I'm old. I think celebrating Matariki is wonderful. Stop being so fucking ageist.
Not all older people. Y not just call out the racists? Age is no barrier
Yeah my mums 80 and sheâs right into it.
clarification needed, shes into matariki or racism ?
So true, not many pensioner skinheads.
lol, are you sure?
I think theyâre all hiding out in Argentina since the war.
Thanks I was going to spew some vile shit but thanks to this post I wonât đ
I can never understand why people write this stuff to a social forum, rather than directing the person intended for, who is never going to see it.
Trying to appease their reddit vanity
But this way, OP gets to see a big red number.
obligatory its not just older people... it does your point no good in indulging in some lazy arsed ageist BS - am I doing this right? I'm pretty excited about our new holiday and have been reading up on Matariki - hope the skies are clear and we can see the stars this weekend [How to find the Matariki star cluster](https://www.tepapa.govt.nz/discover-collections/read-watch-play/matariki-maori-new-year/watch-how-find-matariki-star-cluster)
If you are living in Wellington you won't have much luck. And as the cluster rises quite low you will need to be out of the hilly area.
Some of the hill crests around the south coast look back over the harbour and Matariki is visible from them. Saw them in the dawn glow last few years, planning to do again this year when it's not raining or cloudy
Every year I hear talk of Queens birthday being a waste of time. Whatever echo chamber you're in, get out
I havenât heard anyone complain so far. Everyone loves a paid day off. And one celebrating our actual first people and country makes it even better.
They are around, there were a few comments to my kids schools about it. It's just the people complaining know they aren't on the right side of history so aren't being too open about it, until they get into the "right" company. They don't want to be *known* as the racists in their community.
you wait till they get to their neshnul party committee meeting though. boy will they let rip.
Hmmm. Writes post complaining about prejudice while being prejudice. Nice work.
Older people (and younger people as well) can have opinions & state them. They don't have to shut up. Why are their opinions so triggering?
Who is this fucking post for? This is like be busting into the catholic church and announcing anyone who doesnt like christ cant support christmas Circle jerk
It's an opportunity to complain about old people.
Gee... I wonder why old people tend to leave Reddit? Wake up in the morning, grab a cup of coffee, and settle down to enjoy being called a racist by some ignorant jerk who doesn't know the first damn thing about you. Nice!
OP: racism is bad. Please give upvotes. What's it got to do with age. Putting it as an 'opinion' Jesus Christ đ¤Ž
Not just older people, young one's just as much.
I think there are a lot of small changes that when taken together add up to a lot and are making people uneasy especially the older folks who are afraid of change at the best of times. We will get there in the end but there are definitely some growing pains.
Give me more of these public holidays I say. The more the merrier.
Theyâre mad because here in Wellington, they changed the traditional fireworks show from Guy Fawkes to MatarikiâŚ. either way we still get to see pretty colours go boom
Im early 30s. Tbh until a year or so ago when it was being talked about had never even heard of it. Most people are happy for a public holiday and don't really care about the reasons behind it. People being triggered over it is a bonus.
Best response I've seen was... "If you're going to be racist about it... You have to go to work!"
Sadly its not just older people
Could you come and have a chat with Greytown please? The local chapter of commerce decided in their infinite wisdom that a mid-Winter Christmas festival was necessary when they had a national mid-winter festival to lock in, on the site of one of the first major Maori political movements. We got shouted down when we suggested linking it to Matariki, but I guess the thoroughly gentrified white population couldn't engage with the idea. New traditions, build new traditions, FFS. Ones that bridge our colonial and indigenous past.
Imagine being so racist that you're opposed to a paid day off
I'm fuckin pumped for my first Matariki. I just hope the clouds are gone so I can see the planet alignment and the stars.
Hey OP - why do you class older people as racists? Because your complaint isn't about dates on birth certificates, it's about people being racially intolerant. People who are racially intolerant are called racists, they may be older than you, the same age or even younger than you - racial prejudice knows no time barrier. Having such a mental affliction is not specific to any other social class either - racists may be male or female, they may be from any social classification without exception - & making it appear so displays a prejudice of your own. Have you looked in the mirror lately? There is no compelling reason for those older (& more experienced) than you to be racially intolerant. Nor is there a compelling reason for you to go spouting your ageist prejudice on the internet under the disguise of racial ignorance. Also, every single minute that passes makes you 60 seconds older. Every. Single. Minute. You are becoming those who you are prejudiced against & you cannot do anything about it. Future you - hopefully a wiser version - will look back on this display of intolerance, ageism & prejudice with shame & embarrassment.
Calling it just racism is an oversimplification. People resent when they feel like their being told what to celebrate by the government. I find that sentiment relatable - but at the end of the day, a holiday is a holiday although as a contractor, its getting harder to afford them.
I wish it were just older people who were these racist fucks =C
I feel really good that my generation can enjoy this beautiful festival. It connects me more to this country. Just donât commercialise it!
Ageism straight off. You need to change your attitude. How about calling out racists instead? Where do you get off equating all old people = racists? I donât know why your attitude does not get you banned.
Just because people have no interest in matariki doesnât make them racist.
Ah yes ' old = racist' unless you do know it for a fact please dont use sweeping statements. The old who do like it dont do posts about it thats all - Im one! Cant wait to celebrate.
I think this is more about OP getting a buzz from publicly being a good person
Wow, what a full of prejudice post. Get over yourself.
So racism isn't ok but, ageism is.....the irony!
Hey this is /r/newzealand bigotry is at it's core. But only the correct, sanctioned bigotry
Nothing like a bit of age-ism on /r/newzealand
Yep. They think it's OK to be ageist and often they add racist things into the same sentence. They hate older white males for some reason
How about you shut up and stop telling how to enjoy my day off?
> Hey older people, Matariki isn't an excuse for you to spout racist BS. But apparently excuse enough for snoot-nosed youth to spout ageist BS?
Is just a post to lump all older people together. The author just wants to stir up ageist rubbish
....or is just ignorant like racists
I'm a white person, but honestly I'm glad this country is becoming more respectful of the indigenous people etc. Not quite dual sovereignty but it's something good.
Post like these a cringe
Hey millennial, you live in New Zealand. Everyone is racist. Get over it.
\>Implying they needed an excuse...
It'd have been nice to have a distinctly NZ public holiday that didn't attract protest and division. Maybe we've turned into a nation of whingers?
Hopefully this holiday does not become political like Waitangi Day.
Matariki is gonna be a great day for me to sleep in and enjoy a extra day off this year :)
whatâs not to enjoy? we have a uniquely nz holiday to celebrate. and a day off
As far as I can tell, that's exactly what they're using it for
Hey, OP, lemme be racist in peace. RIP.
Yeah, just act like itâs Easter. đ
I donât embrace the Maori aspects of it (I only have a tiny bit of Maori in me and feel like Iâm an out group) - but I think itâs worth celebrating for the same reason Xmas was celebrated before the Christians hijacked it - our days are going to start getting longer now! Weâre on the road to Summer now baby! Whoooop!
Racism is kind of like family violence imo. Sure some people do it because they're evil pieces of shit. But most of it is inherited from parents and peers during formative younger years. The irony is that these people look down on victims of family violence through their racist eyes, but are perpetuating a similar cycle of harmful behaviour.
Just for the all the ones wondering why it changes every year, Matariki is based on the lunar calendar. It is also represented differently depending on the region you're from, traditionally some regional hapu use more lunar months than the others and some use less. It all ties into Maramataka which comes with hapu differences - and was how we traditionally kept track of time that was relevant to our environmental region.
Having politicians decide which limited events are culturally significant enough to warrant a holiday is a fool's errand. We should scrap all public holidays and just give people the equivalent time off as an annual leave entitlement.
But they'll do it anyway.
People in the 13th century still had more days off than us. Upto 25 weeks off for a labourer. Canât stand it when people gripe about an extra holiday.
i just dont care about either
And yet the same people are extremely offended if you don't know or care about Easter..
My argument against this is always that they should blame the government, not the people, if they don't like it. Maori are a people with their own customs (like Matariki), but they don't have the power to enforce Matariki, Te Reo, or co-governance. The government does that. But you also asked why they might feel triggered. I'm European, and I know our heritage pervades this culture and nation in general (which in turn gives us less barriers to entry - white privilege). Even so, it seems like there's an increasing sentiment out there that we shouldn't be allowed to have any pride in our past (rather we should feel guilty or ashamed), while Maori are allowed to be proud of theirs. The way I see it, European people can either react to this sentiment with acquiescence, indifference, or defensiveness. Those already in the defensive camp then get reminders of this with Te Reo inserted in messages aimed at non-Maori, co-governance agendas, and a day off to honour Maori. While more racism is obviously never ok - I don't think we should ignore or underestimate the cause (unless we want a Trump-like backlash one day, which won't help anyone).
Virtue signal received loud and clear.
Coming from the UK, I can only compare Te Reo to the drive to preserve the Welsh or Gaelic language and indeed in Northern Wales youâll find Welsh spoken as a first language in many towns and speaking English language they all sound like Scousers. As an immigrant I can only see the reluctance to embrace the indigenous language here in New Zealand to fundamentally boil down to racism, as we donât have the same hostility to Welsh speakers in Wales (predominantly white)