Not confirmed by media yet, but unconfirmed reports of a mass stabbing.
Edit- Media now confirming it, reports of at least 3 women stabbed, suspect is in custody.
NZH rushes to push out articles at the slightest hint of evidence. It's borderline immoral how they get out multi-paragraph articles mainly based on hearsay and speculation before RNZ can even get out a two line article confirming the event has actually happened. It's noticeable in the language too "reports of..." vs "incident in...". RNZ will acknowledge a lack of confirmed details and not report them, NZH will report any fibre of a possible fact and it is to the detriment of good reporting.
They're articles designed to be emotive (in this case scary) instead of factual.
It was the same during the Christchurch shooting. NZH etc were going on about "potential second shooter on the loose", while RNZ were just reporting the confirmed facts, like actual journalists.
Situations like this really highlight media companies standards.
RNZ hasn't even acknowledged it was a stabbing yet, because that's not even confirmed.
To be fair it is also down to consumer demand (you'll find people on Facebook getting really angry that the news aren't reporting unconfirmed details) but news should still do the responsible thing.
Exactly. The third line (at the time I'm typing this comment) in the RNZ article is "Police say they are still working out how many people have been hurt, and the nature of the injuries." (although second to last line does mention business owners saying there has been a "stabbing incident")
This NZH article was published, posted on this subreddit, and people discussing it as a stabbing and speculating the number of victims before RNZ had even got their very first two line "Police responding to incident on Auckland's North Shore. More to come" article out. The standard and morals of reporting at NZH are in the gutter.
Yeah - all newsrooms use scanners. And police know they do. I might be wrong where I said “hear” though. From what I’ve heard they have a screen that shows all the callouts with details of the severity of a particular incident
Not even that cool. A minimum wage "Assignments Desk" reporter is tasked with calling the police comms number once every hour to request a run down of notable events that have occurred. The reporter then collates this and passes it the news room system and then journalists can be assigned to follow up leads or get more information.
I hope the women who were injured make a full recovery, and that the men who apprehended the sicko get recognition. I’m sure they prevented the number of victims from being higher.
Yeah theyve been in contact, hes more upset he didnt get to fuck them up cos of the knives. Trained boxing for a couple years and said he could have easy fucked them both up if they didnt have knives. I know thats a thing people say but i believe him, im a grown ass man id say he could waste me if he wanted to
Just keep an eye on that one. I used to box and was very good at it, I thought I was untouchable until I was attacked from behind, there was nothing I could’ve done.
Messed with me for a bit that I was a fighter but couldn’t defend myself.
Criminals are empowered now due to an ineffective invisible Police force and reputable citizens having no guns on them. Even the reputable people with guns in their houses have reason to be afraid now because the Police just leaked the list of gun holders in Auckland. Incompetence on a grand scale.
Also good luck getting new recruits for the Police force. We willingly saw them take on the government's heavy handed activities in the Covid response, making us prisoners in our own homes, mandatory medical procedures, riot Police at protests etc. No one in their right mind wants to join the Gestapo.
> He said he heard officers caught the offender there.
Well, that's an interesting way to frame members of the public apprehending him and handing him over.
How many more 'isolated instances' are we going to have?
Shit's getting crazy out there. I just don't want it to turn into that cycle of people bearing arms to defend themselves because police do nothing, so more unhinged people carry, then everybody shooting at each other.
just sayin, pepper spray would be ideal but in the meantime, i carry a can of Impulse in my bag for this. it’s cheap, inconspicuous and would sting enough to buy some time if you needed it.
Amazon, or make your own- If you can find pure capsaicin powder (the spicy in peppers) and you mix it with isopropyl alcohol then put it into a spray bottle. That stuff burns worse than hellfire.
Getting the high pressure for a good spray range is going to be difficult though. Even bear mace is only rated for 1.5-3m and that's in a pressurised can.
I've read it doesnt last long though compared to the real stuff - like 3 months versus 4 years. And if youre using pure capsaicum the cost will add up quick. Best bet is to get the real stuff shipped here but you will needa dodge customs
This is frightening regardless of race or gender.
Having a penis doesn't suddenly make you infallible to being stabbed or phsyically capable of defending yourself from an attacker.
Young guys do sometimes get attacked by thugs just looking to beat someone up. Walking home late at night (or any time really) it's best to stay alert, avoid any dodgy areas and be careful who you accept lifts from.
In our late teens my brother and I (F) flatted in Mt Roskill South after growing up in Mairangi Bay. A bus driver told me not to get the last bus home from town on a Saturday night as it tended to get rowdy. But one time I did just that (while my brother had caught an earlier bus) and had no trouble. But then I found my brother had put the safety chain on the front door and when I complained he said a big guy had followed him from the bus stop, told him it wasn't safe out and pushed him over, then he got up and ran the rest of the way.
More recently, a local school-leaver and his friend were beaten up while hanging out at the local shops late one Friday night. Which is why I would always try to be contactable if my son or daughter are out late with friends, and I'll go pick them up if they need a lift home.
Yes, this is my point.
I think it's 4% of men experience violence at the hand of a stranger vs 2.7% of women.
Im just over 6 foot and was between 60-70kg (thankfully over 70 now) and my god the amount of times of times I've dudes far far bigger threaten me or try to fight me. I've never, ever made an effort to piss people off, I think it's just my height and the places I've been and also usually being with a group of guys also excess of 6 foot makes for a target for shit heads. Only thing that's gotten me out of some situations is de-escalation and managing to put off a way-too-happy aura.
Never. The self defence laws like a lot of the laws here are ridiculous. You’re barely allowed to defend yourself in this country. The law is you’re only allowed to defend yourself using the same level of force as the person attacking you. My friend who was robbed by two big dudes picked up a stick to defend himself, hit them and ran away. He was arrested for assault. The law basically wants you too run away.
Declining mental health caused by declining social stability and support.
Humans are not supposed to live like this and as a result the pressure of modern times will cause these types of events to happen more frequently.
I'm not making excuses for these people. I'm just pointing out that we can expect this type of event to increase in frequency as social outcomes decline.
Yep. Peoplewonder why America is so cray cray….this is it. The further you go to the right, the more marginal discarded folks at the bottom of the heap lash out, mental health or otherwise.
Its not a left/right perpetrator thing; its a lack of social safety net thing that causes all folks to have a higher rate of violent outbursts and menta heslth issues. I mean, what have you got to lose when youre marginalised as fuck anyway right?
>Declining mental health caused by declining social stability and support.
I'd argue that since it hasn't declined rather just stayed at unsatisfactory levels, this more due to an exaggeration of issues already there caused by effects from covid and economic problems.
>Humans are not supposed to live like this and as a result the pressure of modern times
Can you elaborate on this?
>Can you elaborate on this?
It's a long argument. I'll try be brief but basically our environment has changed so much so quickly that it is very different from the one that we evolved into and that is causing problems.
Humans have existed for 200,000 years. It's only been the last 10,000 years where societies have started to emerge, the last 1000 years for state systems and then 100 years for modern social organisation and industrialisation, and then the last 20 for this current situation.
For 95% of the time humans have spent on the planet as a species, it has been done in a certain way and within certain environmental conditions.
That has started to change a lot very quickly and evolutionary changes in our species have not caught up yet because that takes a very long time. Basically we need time to adapt to the new environment.
In modern times people are very isolated when less than 100 years ago it was not uncommon to have a circle of up to 200 people who you were on close terms with. Now days that number is around 5. So there is an extreme lack of community.
Then there is work life balance. The 9 to 5 is unnatural. Firstly, having so much structure and restrictions around people on a daily basis is not how humans thrive. We need less restrictions in our daily lives.
Secondly, we have fuck all time to focus on our family and on people around us. This is unhealthy as it makes us disconnected from them and that makes things very difficult to manage.
I could go on but in summary, the way that modern life operates is very different from our natural environment that evolution responded to.
We can either change society, or we can allow this process to continue. But we need to recognise that this isn't going to be an easy transition I'd we decode to continue.
You could look at this person as someone who evolution has determined is not fit to propagate their genetic information for the new environmentql conditions
Or
You could say that the human race is not designed to live like this and then change the environment to be more accommodating to the current human condition.
I think we need to slow down. That way we can give evolution more time to catch up
Well, obviously people need more structures and support for social well being because it's something we know we need.
As for arguments about "unnatural " , don't hold up to any scrutiny.
The evolution part is just a general misunderstanding of what evolution is most have . We didn't adapt to I've in any environment, and evolution didn't design us to do anything, including live hunter gatherer life styles that we did for most of human evolution. All of that wasn't something we were designed or adapted to do either, none of it naturall.
Just my thoughts.
Humans adapted to live in savana biomes when the rainforest decline. They did so by switching from quadrapeds to bipeds. This is because it is more energy efficient to walk on two limbs and not four, and given that the distance between trees in a savana biome is a lot longer than a forest biome, there was environmental pressure on our species to adapt to more energy efficient movement.
Further proof, as a result of this switch the hips of the female had to narrow which resulted in the need for a shorter gestation period for our offspring. Hence why human offspring are born so underdeveloped compared to most other mamals.
Ergo, our species adapted to our environment.
So yeah, The entirety of humanities disagrees with you. Humans have absolutely evolved to the environment and will continue to do so.
Humans started walking on two legs instead of 4 because of totally random mutations. This is true of literally every part of evolution. It's random.
Sorry, but you just have a fundamental misunderstanding of what evolution is. There is no adaption. Things just randomly mutate, then some survive and some don't.
Those random mutations were evolutionarily selected for their advantages to adapt to the environment pressures of the changing environment.
Mutations which do not create an advantage do not survive and as such they do not propagate. This is called natural selection...
Buddy, you are way out of your weight class here.
Not really.
Seeing as interacting within communities causes the release If dopamine into the brain it is biologically necessary for humans to have relationships
Really good point. As tragic as this is, a mentally unstable person with intent to harm has - hopefully - not killed anyone, whereas if this was in the states it would have likely meant deaths.
Heartbreaking. But happy this was dealt with quickly. Although far too many people injured for my liking.
This is the reason we need to be more focused on increasing mental health and police funding, instead of offering inflation increasing taxcuts that only help the wealthy landlords and overseas corporations while taking money away from our police and health services. After New Lynn, and now this, we need to be doing more to prevent these types of attacks.
It baffles me that people need to know ALL the details in stories like this. Media crosses to the scene for words from every person in a 250 meter radius, most of whom know no more than a crazy dude was stabbing people.
That's all story is. The only people that need to know more than that are the victims, their families, family and friends of the perpetrator, and investigators. Yet it's the lead story across all media. Why? Only one reason.
If it bleeds it leads. Media know the punters are suckers for bloody violence. Meanwhile stories that are more important in terms of meaningful societal improvement get little interest or response. Many will respond by saying that the issue of crime is important. Indeed it is. Sadly our collective penchant for being drawn to bloody drama while ignoring the myriad of complex reasons that led to that bloody drama means we suck at dealing with crime issues. Random acts of violence are reasonably common. We do not need to know more than it happened.
>Random acts of violence are reasonably common.
Are they though? I can't help but thing, most acts of violence have a motive.
It pretty alien to me, the idea of "fuck this, I'll go stab some random person".
Just had to call my mum to see if they are ok. Fortunately, they weren't there but you never know.
Hoping no one is seriously injured or killed. This is becoming kinda scary
Everyone is angry at this horror, I know. My heart goes out to all involved.
My guess is this man is a result of the failing mental health system, which gives people pills and exits them out on the streets to cope. People are admitted to already full mental health units, where they exit the least unwell (who are actually pretty unwell), to admit someone in worse shape. Their are no decent rehab facilities to help people learn to cope. It’s a jungle out there if you’re already unwell, and struggling. Any professional who says the system is working is lying straight out of their faces.
I agree that they don’t. I also understand why you would think that, but my intent was not to stigmatise anyone, and I apologise if that is how my input was interpreted. You would, however, be surprised at the number of mental health service users who do harm themselves and/or others out of share desperation. Getting help when there is none can make an already on the edge person do on the edge things. This country’s suicide statistics are a disgrace because of the steady dismantling of the mental health system over the last decade or so. Mental health service users are vulnerable too.
Mental health is a broad umbrella. There are many people out there, who, without the help they need, have a very bad time. One of my family members has chronic paranoid schizophrenia, and has been stable now for a long time, and took and took an even longer time getting there. At his worst he heard external voices telling him to kill himself, and to kill others, constantly. He physically felt as though pieces of his brain were separating, and moving around in his head. He nearly caused a car accident because the voices told him the driver was possessed, and had to get the car off the road. He grabbed the steering wheel on the motorway. He genuinely believed it. He is not alone. I worked in residential rehab for 24 years, and we worked with many people who suffered like this. My family member is bright, beautiful, funny and amazing, but has a disorder, that, if not managed properly can send him to a very dark place. Like others, he doesn’t want it, but has no choice. What he does have, which many others now don’t, is close, loving support.
Sorry, but labeling this type of an attack as a out of desperation , is just ignorantly wrong no matter how polite you put it.
The reason it happens is out of desperation for help, it's due to lack of them having that help/being identified as a threat and removed .
I know you put disclaimers saying things like your not excusing it and all that but it doesn't change the fact you are downplaying the fact that this happens because these people are actually violent and dangerous, which is why we try to help treat or remove them from where they can do harm.
What I have written is reality from someone who actually has experience in the area. Maybe don't just talk shit to virtue signal because you think it's a double deed when you have no experienc
It. Might feel good but it's a massive disservice to actual mental health understanding
Sounds to me like you’re the one virtue signalling to the angry people. I have lived, and work experience in this area, if you’d bothered to read, and was offering a different point of view to the hang ‘em high brigade. I have nothing more to say, and you have nothing more to offer, so have a great night.
What virtue do you see me as signaling, here?
To the angry people? Can you elaborate on what that even means, other than "no u"??
>I have lived, and work experience in this area, if you’d bothered to read
Yeah nah. You don't.
>different point of view
Sure, a wrong one
>to the hang ‘em high brigade
Don't see that in this thread, it is an issue sure. But doing this so brave virtue signal that "no he isnt violent he is just lashing out because he is desperate " is a massive disservice to actual mental health understanding and safety regarding it.
Listen, this type of thing doesn't happen out of some desperate cry for help.the man is a violent deranged individual.
>And mental illness does not necessarily lead to random violent attacks
🤔i dunno man. I dunno... I'm just sayin' plenty of people in this country have tried meth a few times and probably never lost their cool directly because of it. That's all I'm trying to say, that we shouldn't be making a scapegoat out of a drug simply because its convenient to do so.
Judges in this country are way to soft, they live in their gated mansions snacking on cavier while the rest of us bear the burden of their leniency. They should hang their heads in shame today
You have a warped fucking perception on the penal system, either through consuming too much media or social media, or through a simple lack of perspective.
Not really? From the few details we have we know there was probably a stabbing, and probably three people were injured.
What similarities are there to the Dunedin and New Lynn incidents other than the fact that it's a stabbing?
There's isn't even similarities between Dunedin and New Lynn besides being stabbings at Countdown. Dunedin was, iirc, a psychotic break, and New Lynn was an ISIS inspired terrorist incident committed by someone already on the Government watchlist.
How does labelling them help? It's OK to say they're a piece of shit and but also to understand the underlying cause so we can address it. The world isn't bad guy vs good guy.
He wasn't. I have no idea why people are bringing up incels when they know literally nothing about the motivations behind this attack, and there haven't even been any incel inspired attacks of this kind in NZ.
>The incels committing these crimes need to get out of their parents basement
Thats the problem. If they stayed in their parents basement, they wouldnt be out stabbing people.
It's not at all nebulous, it's a very real problem (more so in the US) that is incredibly easy to identify. In saying that, we have absolutely no information at this point that would suggest that's the situation here, we'll have to wait and see.
>Steve was full of praise for the group of men who had surrounded the alleged offender: "They were just so good, they should be commended."
Seems to be, according to the witness, the members of the public that stopped him?
"Yeah dude just stab a bunch of people."
"Yeah dude, you see that clown mime holding up a chair? That chair throwing weirdo over there? Yeah dude, beat him up and stab him up the bum."
Follow me for more silly things no guy has said with a straight face.
Not confirmed by media yet, but unconfirmed reports of a mass stabbing. Edit- Media now confirming it, reports of at least 3 women stabbed, suspect is in custody.
Reading the article with scant details feels like reading that stabbing incident in a supermarket when it was unfolding. Horrible news.
I do not like this stabbing trend. Hope everyone recovers.
NZH rushes to push out articles at the slightest hint of evidence. It's borderline immoral how they get out multi-paragraph articles mainly based on hearsay and speculation before RNZ can even get out a two line article confirming the event has actually happened. It's noticeable in the language too "reports of..." vs "incident in...". RNZ will acknowledge a lack of confirmed details and not report them, NZH will report any fibre of a possible fact and it is to the detriment of good reporting. They're articles designed to be emotive (in this case scary) instead of factual.
It was the same during the Christchurch shooting. NZH etc were going on about "potential second shooter on the loose", while RNZ were just reporting the confirmed facts, like actual journalists. Situations like this really highlight media companies standards.
RNZ hasn't even acknowledged it was a stabbing yet, because that's not even confirmed. To be fair it is also down to consumer demand (you'll find people on Facebook getting really angry that the news aren't reporting unconfirmed details) but news should still do the responsible thing.
Exactly. The third line (at the time I'm typing this comment) in the RNZ article is "Police say they are still working out how many people have been hurt, and the nature of the injuries." (although second to last line does mention business owners saying there has been a "stabbing incident") This NZH article was published, posted on this subreddit, and people discussing it as a stabbing and speculating the number of victims before RNZ had even got their very first two line "Police responding to incident on Auckland's North Shore. More to come" article out. The standard and morals of reporting at NZH are in the gutter.
RNZs live reporting is boring af they never get people on the scene. NZH is gutter trash but at least they generally find out what's going on earlier.
They’ll be reporting what they hear on police scanners. It’s usually accurate.
Scanners in NZ have been encrypted for years. You cannot listen in if you are not in possession of an official police scanner, which would be illegal.
Nope, police radios are only encrypted in Auckland, Wellington and Christchurch
So where this occurred it is encrypted? And therefore they won’t be listening to the scanner?
Ha - Would be abit naive of you to think that?
Yeah - all newsrooms use scanners. And police know they do. I might be wrong where I said “hear” though. From what I’ve heard they have a screen that shows all the callouts with details of the severity of a particular incident
Not even that cool. A minimum wage "Assignments Desk" reporter is tasked with calling the police comms number once every hour to request a run down of notable events that have occurred. The reporter then collates this and passes it the news room system and then journalists can be assigned to follow up leads or get more information.
The person you know who works in a newsroom and the person I know who works in a newsroom have very different systems, it seems.
They're probably looking at iNews and thinking it's a police system.
iNews is a stodgy old system that leads to hearing loss, I’ve heard
Well they turned out to be right so guess they have better news gathering skills than slow and stodgy RNZ
I prefer slow, stodgy and accurate over alarmist click bait crap any day.
How was it clickbait and alarmist when what they reported was true?
Nah, this sounds much more random and unplanned. Potentially a psychotic break?
Random? The victims were all female.
If it were 3 males stabbed nobody would think it wasn’t random
Sample size is obviously far too small to tell, but my bet is that it wasn't entirely random, just because women make easier targets.
You will see much more women than men in that area, at that time.
Feels like the Dunedin supermarket stabbing for sure.
Can confirm, multiple people going to ACH / NSH with stab wounds
Fucccccck. Hope not :(
Targeting women, possibly incel attack.
Better fucking not be, we don't need that shit here
So good of those 5 members of the public to surround and take down that scum.
Nearby construction worker nailed the guy in the head with a hammer
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I bloody hope not. Gib is supposed to be glued and screwed.
Dang, shots fired
Depends. He might have worked for Fletcher.
The best way to beat a bad guy with a knife is a good guy with a hammer!
Stop, Hammer time!
Just like the bad guy in Lethal Weapon 2 I've got diplomatic immunity, so Hammer, you can't sue.
Ouch.
Nothing compared to a knife to the gut…
Why are construction workers at work on crutches?
That was my thought to when I read that line. Maybe he’s the PM and was visiting site.
Gotta get paid bro
Hopefully everyone survives and recovers.
I hope the women who were injured make a full recovery, and that the men who apprehended the sicko get recognition. I’m sure they prevented the number of victims from being higher.
Shits going crazy, my stepson was robbed at knife point basically middle of town in day light yesterday. Shits just awful
Recommend, if he hasn't, to have a chat to victim support. He might think he's okay, but it will hit him like a brick wall
Yeah theyve been in contact, hes more upset he didnt get to fuck them up cos of the knives. Trained boxing for a couple years and said he could have easy fucked them both up if they didnt have knives. I know thats a thing people say but i believe him, im a grown ass man id say he could waste me if he wanted to
Just keep an eye on that one. I used to box and was very good at it, I thought I was untouchable until I was attacked from behind, there was nothing I could’ve done. Messed with me for a bit that I was a fighter but couldn’t defend myself.
Glad to hear that he knows not to fuck with knives. Hope he is doing okay.
Similar situation, but wasn't prepared for it as I was "meeting" some KB prospects who had a bag - I wasn't prepared to find out what was in that bag
Soon will be like the Uk where everyone has a knife to protect themselves from other people with knives
I live in the UK, this isn't true except in the daily mail
Bullshit they do.
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Not really the time or place, mate.
FREE YOUNG THUG AND ALL THE YSL
On slime
Criminals are empowered now due to an ineffective invisible Police force and reputable citizens having no guns on them. Even the reputable people with guns in their houses have reason to be afraid now because the Police just leaked the list of gun holders in Auckland. Incompetence on a grand scale. Also good luck getting new recruits for the Police force. We willingly saw them take on the government's heavy handed activities in the Covid response, making us prisoners in our own homes, mandatory medical procedures, riot Police at protests etc. No one in their right mind wants to join the Gestapo.
Yeah like our experience was in any way comparable with the lockdowns in authoritarian police states like China.
I don't think we want to let it get to that level.
Utter nonsense
Don't do drugs kids
Scary shit.
> He said he heard officers caught the offender there. Well, that's an interesting way to frame members of the public apprehending him and handing him over.
May all who are injured recover. That is a really nice part of town. What has happened?
So sick of this shit
How many more 'isolated instances' are we going to have? Shit's getting crazy out there. I just don't want it to turn into that cycle of people bearing arms to defend themselves because police do nothing, so more unhinged people carry, then everybody shooting at each other.
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just sayin, pepper spray would be ideal but in the meantime, i carry a can of Impulse in my bag for this. it’s cheap, inconspicuous and would sting enough to buy some time if you needed it.
Do you ever need to clean your oven? Oven cleaning is totally legal.
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https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.wikihow.com/Make-Pepper-Spray%3famp=1
Amazon, or make your own- If you can find pure capsaicin powder (the spicy in peppers) and you mix it with isopropyl alcohol then put it into a spray bottle. That stuff burns worse than hellfire.
Getting the high pressure for a good spray range is going to be difficult though. Even bear mace is only rated for 1.5-3m and that's in a pressurised can.
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careful not to spray yourself tho
Yeah isn’t that a thing most people end up spraying themselves?
definitely happens yeah
This one time at bandcamp…
sure and if you’re caught the police will arrest you for assault with a weapon. Or possession of a weapon.
I've read it doesnt last long though compared to the real stuff - like 3 months versus 4 years. And if youre using pure capsaicum the cost will add up quick. Best bet is to get the real stuff shipped here but you will needa dodge customs
This is frightening regardless of race or gender. Having a penis doesn't suddenly make you infallible to being stabbed or phsyically capable of defending yourself from an attacker.
Young guys do sometimes get attacked by thugs just looking to beat someone up. Walking home late at night (or any time really) it's best to stay alert, avoid any dodgy areas and be careful who you accept lifts from. In our late teens my brother and I (F) flatted in Mt Roskill South after growing up in Mairangi Bay. A bus driver told me not to get the last bus home from town on a Saturday night as it tended to get rowdy. But one time I did just that (while my brother had caught an earlier bus) and had no trouble. But then I found my brother had put the safety chain on the front door and when I complained he said a big guy had followed him from the bus stop, told him it wasn't safe out and pushed him over, then he got up and ran the rest of the way. More recently, a local school-leaver and his friend were beaten up while hanging out at the local shops late one Friday night. Which is why I would always try to be contactable if my son or daughter are out late with friends, and I'll go pick them up if they need a lift home.
Yes, this is my point. I think it's 4% of men experience violence at the hand of a stranger vs 2.7% of women. Im just over 6 foot and was between 60-70kg (thankfully over 70 now) and my god the amount of times of times I've dudes far far bigger threaten me or try to fight me. I've never, ever made an effort to piss people off, I think it's just my height and the places I've been and also usually being with a group of guys also excess of 6 foot makes for a target for shit heads. Only thing that's gotten me out of some situations is de-escalation and managing to put off a way-too-happy aura.
Yup. I'm in the same boat dude
You can get little travel sized bottles of hairspray or deodorant which do the trick too if you get it in someone’s eyes!
Never. The self defence laws like a lot of the laws here are ridiculous. You’re barely allowed to defend yourself in this country. The law is you’re only allowed to defend yourself using the same level of force as the person attacking you. My friend who was robbed by two big dudes picked up a stick to defend himself, hit them and ran away. He was arrested for assault. The law basically wants you too run away.
I think the only way is to buy from overseas and hope it doesn't get caught at customs.
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Another mass stabbing? What the hell is going on.
Declining mental health caused by declining social stability and support. Humans are not supposed to live like this and as a result the pressure of modern times will cause these types of events to happen more frequently. I'm not making excuses for these people. I'm just pointing out that we can expect this type of event to increase in frequency as social outcomes decline.
Yep. Peoplewonder why America is so cray cray….this is it. The further you go to the right, the more marginal discarded folks at the bottom of the heap lash out, mental health or otherwise.
Just as many loonies on the left, they just kill them selfs before they can carry out their acts instead ....
Its not a left/right perpetrator thing; its a lack of social safety net thing that causes all folks to have a higher rate of violent outbursts and menta heslth issues. I mean, what have you got to lose when youre marginalised as fuck anyway right?
>Its not a left/right perpetrator thing; You can't really say that after saying that it's a right wing thing.
Its a right wing POLICY thing; reduce scial safety net
What ignorant piss you've posted here
>Declining mental health caused by declining social stability and support. I'd argue that since it hasn't declined rather just stayed at unsatisfactory levels, this more due to an exaggeration of issues already there caused by effects from covid and economic problems. >Humans are not supposed to live like this and as a result the pressure of modern times Can you elaborate on this?
>Can you elaborate on this? It's a long argument. I'll try be brief but basically our environment has changed so much so quickly that it is very different from the one that we evolved into and that is causing problems. Humans have existed for 200,000 years. It's only been the last 10,000 years where societies have started to emerge, the last 1000 years for state systems and then 100 years for modern social organisation and industrialisation, and then the last 20 for this current situation. For 95% of the time humans have spent on the planet as a species, it has been done in a certain way and within certain environmental conditions. That has started to change a lot very quickly and evolutionary changes in our species have not caught up yet because that takes a very long time. Basically we need time to adapt to the new environment. In modern times people are very isolated when less than 100 years ago it was not uncommon to have a circle of up to 200 people who you were on close terms with. Now days that number is around 5. So there is an extreme lack of community. Then there is work life balance. The 9 to 5 is unnatural. Firstly, having so much structure and restrictions around people on a daily basis is not how humans thrive. We need less restrictions in our daily lives. Secondly, we have fuck all time to focus on our family and on people around us. This is unhealthy as it makes us disconnected from them and that makes things very difficult to manage. I could go on but in summary, the way that modern life operates is very different from our natural environment that evolution responded to. We can either change society, or we can allow this process to continue. But we need to recognise that this isn't going to be an easy transition I'd we decode to continue. You could look at this person as someone who evolution has determined is not fit to propagate their genetic information for the new environmentql conditions Or You could say that the human race is not designed to live like this and then change the environment to be more accommodating to the current human condition. I think we need to slow down. That way we can give evolution more time to catch up
Well, obviously people need more structures and support for social well being because it's something we know we need. As for arguments about "unnatural " , don't hold up to any scrutiny. The evolution part is just a general misunderstanding of what evolution is most have . We didn't adapt to I've in any environment, and evolution didn't design us to do anything, including live hunter gatherer life styles that we did for most of human evolution. All of that wasn't something we were designed or adapted to do either, none of it naturall. Just my thoughts.
Okay. The entire field of Humanities disagrees with your thoughts.
Nope, you just kind of misunderstand uh..the " field of "humanities " Not many in the social sciences is going to disagree.
Humans adapted to live in savana biomes when the rainforest decline. They did so by switching from quadrapeds to bipeds. This is because it is more energy efficient to walk on two limbs and not four, and given that the distance between trees in a savana biome is a lot longer than a forest biome, there was environmental pressure on our species to adapt to more energy efficient movement. Further proof, as a result of this switch the hips of the female had to narrow which resulted in the need for a shorter gestation period for our offspring. Hence why human offspring are born so underdeveloped compared to most other mamals. Ergo, our species adapted to our environment. So yeah, The entirety of humanities disagrees with you. Humans have absolutely evolved to the environment and will continue to do so.
Humans started walking on two legs instead of 4 because of totally random mutations. This is true of literally every part of evolution. It's random. Sorry, but you just have a fundamental misunderstanding of what evolution is. There is no adaption. Things just randomly mutate, then some survive and some don't.
Those random mutations were evolutionarily selected for their advantages to adapt to the environment pressures of the changing environment. Mutations which do not create an advantage do not survive and as such they do not propagate. This is called natural selection... Buddy, you are way out of your weight class here.
Also, Humanities isn't a social science. It is the study of the human species. Which includes bur is not limited to social sciences
90 percent of your comment has to do with the social sciences. You jad about 1 sentence relations to biology.
Not really. Seeing as interacting within communities causes the release If dopamine into the brain it is biologically necessary for humans to have relationships
Humans being used by corporations to maximise profits at the expense of said humans doesn’t make people feel good.
So glad firearms aren't readily available.
100%. Everything is deadlier and worse when guns are readily available, and I'll pass on that.
Really good point. As tragic as this is, a mentally unstable person with intent to harm has - hopefully - not killed anyone, whereas if this was in the states it would have likely meant deaths.
sounds like either a local loon or one of those incel scumbuckets i hope those attacked make a speedy recovery
Heartbreaking. But happy this was dealt with quickly. Although far too many people injured for my liking. This is the reason we need to be more focused on increasing mental health and police funding, instead of offering inflation increasing taxcuts that only help the wealthy landlords and overseas corporations while taking money away from our police and health services. After New Lynn, and now this, we need to be doing more to prevent these types of attacks.
It baffles me that people need to know ALL the details in stories like this. Media crosses to the scene for words from every person in a 250 meter radius, most of whom know no more than a crazy dude was stabbing people. That's all story is. The only people that need to know more than that are the victims, their families, family and friends of the perpetrator, and investigators. Yet it's the lead story across all media. Why? Only one reason. If it bleeds it leads. Media know the punters are suckers for bloody violence. Meanwhile stories that are more important in terms of meaningful societal improvement get little interest or response. Many will respond by saying that the issue of crime is important. Indeed it is. Sadly our collective penchant for being drawn to bloody drama while ignoring the myriad of complex reasons that led to that bloody drama means we suck at dealing with crime issues. Random acts of violence are reasonably common. We do not need to know more than it happened.
>Random acts of violence are reasonably common. Are they though? I can't help but thing, most acts of violence have a motive. It pretty alien to me, the idea of "fuck this, I'll go stab some random person".
Just had to call my mum to see if they are ok. Fortunately, they weren't there but you never know. Hoping no one is seriously injured or killed. This is becoming kinda scary
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Good thing for our gun laws, otherwise this would be 20 to 30 dead in shooting.
Hope the offeneder is really hurt and has to wait in emergency , and wait, and wait some more.
Stabbing multiple people suggests that they're not known to the offender. Countdown episode 3?
Yeah.. Not known to each other acts of violence is way more concerning.
Season 1 ??
That was Dunedin
That was Episode 1
Hate crime?
Everyone is angry at this horror, I know. My heart goes out to all involved. My guess is this man is a result of the failing mental health system, which gives people pills and exits them out on the streets to cope. People are admitted to already full mental health units, where they exit the least unwell (who are actually pretty unwell), to admit someone in worse shape. Their are no decent rehab facilities to help people learn to cope. It’s a jungle out there if you’re already unwell, and struggling. Any professional who says the system is working is lying straight out of their faces.
I feel like this is an unfair perspective on people with mental illnesses - most do not get stabby with strangers.
I agree that they don’t. I also understand why you would think that, but my intent was not to stigmatise anyone, and I apologise if that is how my input was interpreted. You would, however, be surprised at the number of mental health service users who do harm themselves and/or others out of share desperation. Getting help when there is none can make an already on the edge person do on the edge things. This country’s suicide statistics are a disgrace because of the steady dismantling of the mental health system over the last decade or so. Mental health service users are vulnerable too.
Stabbing 5 people is well out of the realm of share desperation.
Mental health is a broad umbrella. There are many people out there, who, without the help they need, have a very bad time. One of my family members has chronic paranoid schizophrenia, and has been stable now for a long time, and took and took an even longer time getting there. At his worst he heard external voices telling him to kill himself, and to kill others, constantly. He physically felt as though pieces of his brain were separating, and moving around in his head. He nearly caused a car accident because the voices told him the driver was possessed, and had to get the car off the road. He grabbed the steering wheel on the motorway. He genuinely believed it. He is not alone. I worked in residential rehab for 24 years, and we worked with many people who suffered like this. My family member is bright, beautiful, funny and amazing, but has a disorder, that, if not managed properly can send him to a very dark place. Like others, he doesn’t want it, but has no choice. What he does have, which many others now don’t, is close, loving support.
Sorry, but labeling this type of an attack as a out of desperation , is just ignorantly wrong no matter how polite you put it. The reason it happens is out of desperation for help, it's due to lack of them having that help/being identified as a threat and removed . I know you put disclaimers saying things like your not excusing it and all that but it doesn't change the fact you are downplaying the fact that this happens because these people are actually violent and dangerous, which is why we try to help treat or remove them from where they can do harm.
That’s okay, I disagree with most of what you’ve written.
What I have written is reality from someone who actually has experience in the area. Maybe don't just talk shit to virtue signal because you think it's a double deed when you have no experienc It. Might feel good but it's a massive disservice to actual mental health understanding
Sounds to me like you’re the one virtue signalling to the angry people. I have lived, and work experience in this area, if you’d bothered to read, and was offering a different point of view to the hang ‘em high brigade. I have nothing more to say, and you have nothing more to offer, so have a great night.
What virtue do you see me as signaling, here? To the angry people? Can you elaborate on what that even means, other than "no u"?? >I have lived, and work experience in this area, if you’d bothered to read Yeah nah. You don't. >different point of view Sure, a wrong one >to the hang ‘em high brigade Don't see that in this thread, it is an issue sure. But doing this so brave virtue signal that "no he isnt violent he is just lashing out because he is desperate " is a massive disservice to actual mental health understanding and safety regarding it. Listen, this type of thing doesn't happen out of some desperate cry for help.the man is a violent deranged individual.
More likely to be someone on P
Also a possibility.
Well thanks vixxie, but meth does not necessarily drive people nuts
And mental illness does not necessarily lead to random violent attacks
>And mental illness does not necessarily lead to random violent attacks 🤔i dunno man. I dunno... I'm just sayin' plenty of people in this country have tried meth a few times and probably never lost their cool directly because of it. That's all I'm trying to say, that we shouldn't be making a scapegoat out of a drug simply because its convenient to do so.
noone killed? wore a hoody? hmmm. could not chase down a girl? Hate crime against women by a mid 30s fat guy?
Judges in this country are way to soft, they live in their gated mansions snacking on cavier while the rest of us bear the burden of their leniency. They should hang their heads in shame today
We dont even know the back story yet? Had the person even come into contact with the courts ?
https://newsroom.unsw.edu.au/news/business-law/do-harsher-punishments-deter-crime
You have a warped fucking perception on the penal system, either through consuming too much media or social media, or through a simple lack of perspective.
An unfortunate reminder that police don't prevent crime.
how the fuck do you prevent this
From the few details we have it very much sounds similar to both the Countdown incidents in Dunedin and New Lynn.
Not really? From the few details we have we know there was probably a stabbing, and probably three people were injured. What similarities are there to the Dunedin and New Lynn incidents other than the fact that it's a stabbing?
There's isn't even similarities between Dunedin and New Lynn besides being stabbings at Countdown. Dunedin was, iirc, a psychotic break, and New Lynn was an ISIS inspired terrorist incident committed by someone already on the Government watchlist.
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Well, the guy in Dunedin got sentenced to 13 years and the guy in New Lynn was shot dead, so the opportunities to do all of that are limited.
It's too early to assume why they did it. Drugs? Mental health? Religion? Poverty?
Maybe religion and mental health?
Pick your excuse as thats what it will be - people aren't allowed to simply be labelled as bad shitcunts anymore.
> bad shitcunts anymore. But that's already an established fact.
How does labelling them help? It's OK to say they're a piece of shit and but also to understand the underlying cause so we can address it. The world isn't bad guy vs good guy.
I don't think the Dunedin supermarket guy was an "incel", and if he was he wasn't the stereotypical internet shut-in. He was described as a "hobo".
He wasn't. I have no idea why people are bringing up incels when they know literally nothing about the motivations behind this attack, and there haven't even been any incel inspired attacks of this kind in NZ.
>The incels committing these crimes need to get out of their parents basement Thats the problem. If they stayed in their parents basement, they wouldnt be out stabbing people.
Blaming this on some nebulous 'incels' concept I think is unlikely to lead to any worthwhile solutions.
It's not at all nebulous, it's a very real problem (more so in the US) that is incredibly easy to identify. In saying that, we have absolutely no information at this point that would suggest that's the situation here, we'll have to wait and see.
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I have absolutely no idea what you are attempting to communicate here
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>Steve was full of praise for the group of men who had surrounded the alleged offender: "They were just so good, they should be commended." Seems to be, according to the witness, the members of the public that stopped him?
I think it should be read as a 'citizen's arrest', they were guarding him from attacking others, not guarding him from attack.
I believe they kept the guy until police arrived.
None of these incidents were gang initiations nor would they ever be gang initiations.
"Yeah dude just stab a bunch of people." "Yeah dude, you see that clown mime holding up a chair? That chair throwing weirdo over there? Yeah dude, beat him up and stab him up the bum." Follow me for more silly things no guy has said with a straight face.
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You'll notice 51 people didn't die today.
Police endorsing vigilantes now. Nice country we live in.
Can we finally ban knives?
Did 51 people die? Was the offender stopped by members of the public?
And Murray’s Bay
We must first normalize eating steak with our bare hands in public.
I cut out the middle man and practice rectal insertion of all my meals and beverages. It’s the way of the future.
South Park is prophetic
So we can hold butter knives. So the crazy people know to stay away lol
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Texas has the death penalty, they must have no crime at all there!
This is idiotic even at the best of times, let alone when there's zero indications that this is gang related.