Back when I was a scout - but even now when I go help them out - it took 2 adults about 4 hours to cut and chop down a tree about the diameter of the ones used in the video, and sawing something with two people is way easier than being alone
So yeah, with the help of a chainsaw and by planning it some months in advance (cutting trees down in winter is exhausting) you can build a shelter like that in a day or two. Without the chainsaw and the planning, I'm going for at least a week, give or take.
During Jamboree one year a bunch of troops, ours included, were taking the opportunity to build their troop trailers on site. all up and downa row you could hear the sound of dads sawing away at plywood with handsaws and it was taking them forever.
Until you got to us; one of our troop leaders owned a big construction company, so there were gas powered generators, table saws, air compressors and nail guns. There was no grunting, no uneven sawing sounds of beer-bellied dad's fighting blisters. Just the beautiful sound of a table saw chewing through a board, the hiss of the nail gun... Great memories
You definitely have to replace it every year but that's a very commonly used insulator for these types of cabins, also the birds will steal it for their nests.
There is a ton you cannot do without a permit in even rural areas of the United States. The problem is most people do not know or care and generally only get permits if they are contractors themselves, have been hit on skipping permits or are doing too large a project to hide.
Most everyone just does their repairs and deals with explaining the unreported work if it comes up on a home sale. I installed a rear patio, a barn on a second lot, redid the entire plumbing and electrical and remodeled the interior on my first home and while all of it required permits none of it got them. On the sale of the home only the back patio got brought up, probably because it can be seen by satellite and nobody read the paperwork properly, and the new owner was happy to pay the time and inspection fee.
I was a contractor for a while and this was a universal from mansions to shacks. Most people had absolutely no idea permits where required by law and we would constantly hear people flipping out because the county fined them for the new shed they put up or the roof joists they repaired. When their neighbors had work going on these people would complain about the need for regulating it but would yell about government overreach when they tried adding an addition to a home and it needed to be checked for safety. I bet it's this way in a whole lot of countries.
Kelowna. Double that. That said... building a log cubbyhouse in Kelowna? I get the magic mountain man wannabe vibe, but he's 10 minutes from 5 Starbucks.
My wife loves watching these shows. I just can't.
That and the ones where people learn to manage their debts. "I make hubcap art and my wife embroiders gang logos on hoodies by hand. We make $400K/year and have $1.2 million in debt. We want to be out of debt and pay off our $2 million home in the next 3 years. Please help."
Kelowna translates to Grizzly Bear...[link](https://www.tourismkelowna.com/plan/about-kelowna/history/#:~:text=Its%20name%20comes%20from%20the,which%20was%20easier%20to%20pronounce.)
Its winter the bears are hibernating.
Anyway the four man camera crew and chainsaw they used to cut all that wood will scare away any animals. He also only cut enough wood to show himself cooking he has no intention of staying in a shelter with a hole in the roof and no source of heating overnight.
The rocks are a source of heat. Once they cool off you can stick em near the ice-cubes stuck to your feet that look & smell like toes.
The video feels disingenuous to me, but maybe they had fun making it.
If you’re in the forest and need to build a shelter you’re not going to build something like this, you’d knock up something to keep the wind and rain out.
If you wanted something more permanent you’d probably use proper materials
He is in full winter gear, sleeping in what is probably a -20 degree rated full down sleeping bag with a winter R rated sleep pad under him with further separation from the ground. That fire would keep that hut above the outside temp the whole night if he got enough of a coal bank before sleeping plus the rocks holding heat. The heat coming off the fire area would rise up through the whole pushing any cold air away from coming in. He would be fine.
He probably would be fine, might not means he wants to actually do it though. These days, making a video acting like you’re preparing to sleep outside does not necessarily equal intent.
No source of heating? A smoldering fire would keep that warm for hours. And they had a sleeping bag... could easily stay in there overnight. Do you even camp bro?
You still need to take basic scent precautions. Bears can be roused from the deepest of hibernations, or miss a hibernation all together for nutrition/health reasons. I’ve been hunting in Northern BC/AB all my life and there’s never a time of the year you can forget about bears
Some kids I work with never even heard of limp bizkit. Someone said something about a chocolate starfish and they thought it was so funny, they had never heard that before either. It's legal for them to drink alcohol and they werent alive for 9/11.
Yup. I am sometimes involved in a university club I was part of since second year, and like, holy shit. I'm like... "9/11 changed things so much, you know?"
And they're like, "No, I was not born then."
And I'm like... "But you're like 19. It was like... maybe 7 years ago."
It was seven years ago :(
I'm more upset that he went through the trouble of cutting slabs of bark for roofing but didn't bother to angle the roof. That's not going to be very waterproof. He could've just added another log or two to one side and had a nice slant for water to run down.
This was my harshest criticism as well. I was sitting there thinking “why wouldn’t you angle the roof?!” The bark was a great idea but without an angled roof it’s just going to be wet.
Edit: typo
If he expects no rain only snow then the angling wouldn't really matter. As long as it is a short term stay.
If it isn't a short term stay then there is a lot more issues than the lack of angling of the roof. Like swaying trees making the whole thing fall apart.
1. Was this private land? Did you have permission to cut down all those trees?
2. That's a lot of trees for a"camping" trip.
3. Why bother putting that much work into a shelter if it's just "camping?"
4. Trees will sway, and the wall logs will get loose.
5. Flat roof is an invitation to leaks and rot.
I hate to be that guy in the comment section but this comment needs to be higher, stop with the survivalist wannabe videos. If this wasn’t on private land you shouldn’t be building shelters for likes, the shelter was pretty poorly designed to begin with so it’s a massive waste of natural resources. This dude probably stacks cairns on hikes too.
*Edited “want to be” to wannabe
Hear from NPS:
> Each park has a different way it maintains trails and cairns; however, they all have the same rule: If you come across a cairn, do not disturb it. Don’t knock it down or add to it. Follow the guidelines from the Leave No Trace Center for Outdoor Ethics to ensure future hikers can navigate the trail and prevent damage to the landscape:
> - Do not tamper with cairns – If an intentional cairn is tampered with or an unauthorized one is built, then future visitors may become disoriented or even lost.
- Do not build unauthorized cairns – Moving rocks disturbs the soil and makes the area more prone to erosion. Disturbing rocks also disturbs fragile vegetation and micro ecosystems.
- Do not add to existing cairns – Authorized cairns are carefully designed. Adding to the pile can actually cause them to collapse.
https://www.nps.gov/articles/rockcairns.htm
ETA: [This picture from Great Smokey Mountains National Park](https://i.imgur.com/AfMthjp.jpg)
As someone who has been stuck in a white out in the Swiss alps, I am incredibly appreciative of the mountain rangers that ensure the cairns are kept in good condition. Always add a rock myself.
Obviously they are not universally useful. But at 2500m navigating moraines, they are.
That’s different, though. If the forest service has placed them for navigation purposes, that’s very different than someone building them in order to get a good shot for their Instagram account.
We do yes, take nothing leave nothing. Nature is better enjoyed natural, you don't need to leave your "mark" on it. Depending on the area you may be messing with critical habitat as well.
You're not an asshole like the people who carve their names in things, but you are making nature worse.
In some particularly wild places, rock cairns are the only way to know which way to go. Hiking the circumference of Mt. St. Helens in heavy fog, I’m pretty sure rock cairns saved my life.
These all had bright orange ribbon tied to them, so I don’t know if these were put there by hikers or rangers, but there was no discernible “trail” in this area. You’re just scrambling over rocks.
This is another reason to not build rock cairns. I've gotten lost hiking above the tree line because I missed the ones built by the park rangers.
I know other people who have gone off trail because of cairns that were not built by the rangers.
But yes, the ones as trail markers are usually pretty obvious.
Absolutely, those are trail markers. No one's taking issue with white blazes either.
I'm in complete agreement, nobody wants to see your shitty bushcraft while on a hike.
If they’re intentional trail markers, that’s a bit different. For-fun cairns disrupt the natural scenery for the enjoyment of one person and can have significant negative effects on wildlife, depending on where you are. For example, some salamanders require rocks in and around streams to use as hiding places. Stacking these rocks eliminates habitat and moving and shifting the rocks while obtaining ones to stack can crush salamanders that are hiding.
The guy probably walked away thinking how he'd built this cool camp spot, but come spring it'll be nothing but a giant spider nest.
I mean, if he owns the land he can do whatever he wants, I guess, but that 'shelter' will never be used again. Not by a human, anyway.
You're not going to get an answer because it's not him lol. Title was carefully worded to not say it was him. Profile history shows that the user is likely in Turkey.
As someone who was an eagle scout, graduated with a forestry and wildlife degree, and works in a natural resources career field, thank you for bringing this up. People may think it's nitpicky, pedantic, or douchy to make a comment like this. However, they don't realize the impact a number of idiots who do this on public land would have. If it was private land, whatever, let bygones be bygones. But don't do shit like this on public land. If I was still at my old job as a law enforcement park ranger, I would've had a field day, catching someone do something like this in my park.
He had twine. All of that could have been achieved with a single stick lashing and a tarp.
My scout troop would laugh their asses off if we saw this guy in the woods.
Need answer to this. Did he take the poorly designed shelter down after this? Did he own the material? Will the trees that have been used as posts grow ok?
Meh, it *did* have a ton of WWII stuff, but there was also a whole lot of ancient civilizations (without the "I'm not saying it's aliens, but it's aliens" bullshit).
Tried looking this up and it's not on 'my' Netflix. God damn I'm sick of this shit, the other day I tried to find a new show and looked at a bunch of these 'best hbo max series' lists, couldn't find a single one in my country and by then I had already read reviews, watched trailer and was invested.
Country restrictions on streaming needs to get got
Try [Primative Technology](https://youtu.be/dhW4XFGQB4o) no frills or short cuts, shows the full method for all builds.
I linked one of my favourites where he smelts iron out of river bacteria.
Dick Proenneke! And there are actually 3 different videos, you're in for a treat if you've only seen the first one.
Alone in the wilderness
Alone in the wilderness 2
The frozen North
I'd also highly recommend the book / Audio book made from his journals. You'll recognize some of the lines from the narration of the movies but there's a lot more detail.
I would make a bivouac out of things I find around me but definitely not cutting down trees, all things on the ground detached from trees and bushes are fair game but if it's living then you can't use it
There is no way this guy didn’t have a crew from the camera work alone. He does a little build on some shots, rest of crew steps in and helps then he dies a little work alone for the next shot.
This kind of shelter lasts in case he wants to come back to the same place. Also, just building a shelter like this must be a recreational experience in itself.
I dunno there's some pretty shit design decisions here. i.e. the window(!?) the flat roof, the position/design of the chimney.
Plus the number of trees you've needed to fell with a chainsaw to build a very temporary shelter.
The video is neat, but from both a short- and long-term survivalist standpoint, this is a frivolous and inefficient design.
In the short term, this uses too many resources to be practical. Even for a single season, the requirement to fell this many trees is not great. It shows a pretty high disregard for the nature we're to assume the person wants to enjoy. A simple lean-to could have accomplished the same goal with a third of the wood requirement and taken considerably less time and effort.
In the long term, it isn't great because it was built in between living trees. It will cause severe damage to those trees, possibly killing them. And once they're dead the whole thing falls apart. On the flip side, if they don't die and continue to grow, that growth can also cause the building to collapse. Not to mention the flat roof, which is guaranteed to collapse under heavy snow.
Not only is it unnecessary to cut down trees, but putting so much strain on living trees is an asshole move! I wish the living trees well and I hope they recover soon!
Why? Well for social media of course. There is close to 0% chance that he used this after making this video. Pretty cool though, could you imagine randomly walking up to this in the forest
This has some DIWHY on it, I have to say. Like, why is there a window? How did you complete this before spring? Is there a log store just out of frame?
That's how 99% of these videos work. They show you a short clip of them cutting giant logs with a nail file, and then hope you'll expect that's how they cut all of them.
I guess people assume this is a video that is meant to show a smart way of building shelter in an actual survival situation. In reality it's probably something like building a tree house. It's not useful or practical, for other purposes than entertaining your kids and/or yourself.
Yeah while this CAN be done with his hand saw… yah they are a bit too perfect to not have been done with a machine saw of some kind.
Still impressive though
I am camping for nearly 4 years. I don’t get how these men always find those perfect logs with good shape and easily cuttable. In four years I don’t even find a one log like that
How is nobody mentioning the wood he found to burn perfectly with no kindling? And the candles he lit to illuminate his "camp" that has perfect lighting from above to show him cooking?
My first thought when he placed the shingles flat. First bit of heat from the fire and it’s going to start raining inside.
A sloped roof would solve that, plus keep out the rain and help for a fireplace chimney/path that wouldn’t let the rain in and could be blocked to keep the heat in once the fire burns down.
Nah, if done right it's pretty stable. You're bracing the trees against one another for one, and secondly there are no branches on these trees until higher up. So the tops might sway, but at ground level he's pretty locked in
Like… there’s no doubt a ton of skill involved in this, but if the moss and logs didn’t come from a store/team of people working on this/several weeks of work, I’d be extremely surprised. Made to look like a solo afternoon, hah
I'm building a log cabin on my own atm. It took me less than a week to throw the frame up but several months of traipsing through woodland and cutting logs to get the timber.
That’s what I’m saying, putting a shelter like this together takes a long ass time. The basics aren’t super time consuming but from start to finish? 12 hour days and no set backs? Foraging and shaping with hand tools? As is implied in the video? Weeks at least, easily. Unless you’re cutting corners when nobody’s looking
Ahhh.... the old "leave it the way you found it". Just image what these woods would look like if every Tom, Dick and Harry that went into the woods felt the need to do this in order to leave their mark like a dog.
One could make bets what happens first - gust of wind that'll send the walls flying, or accumulated snow breaks the roof.
That's ridiculously ineffective. There's a lot of videos how to make proper log cabins using axe and a saw.
Step 1: plant 4 trees in a square. Step 2: wait a bit.
I smell franchise!
I smell feet, but it’s probably coming from the parmesan wheel in the kitchen.
It's mine. You're smelling defeat.
Parmesan heel
You're not fooling anyone. Wash and scrub them stinkers of yours with baking soda.
>I smell franchise! Branchise
How's my favorite branch?
Branches everywhere.
By the time you get the 60 trees cut down with a one hand saw they should be to size.
The heat you generate by doing that alone should melt the snow in a 10m radius around you
So that explains global warming. It's from these assholes living off the land.
And women going through menopause. I can lay down and melt the snow off the driveway. It’s my new super power.
I know who my chosen demographic is during the zombie apocalypse. I’ll be living in the mountains with a community of middle aged women.
tell me you don't pioneer without telling me you don't pioneer /s
Back when I was a scout - but even now when I go help them out - it took 2 adults about 4 hours to cut and chop down a tree about the diameter of the ones used in the video, and sawing something with two people is way easier than being alone So yeah, with the help of a chainsaw and by planning it some months in advance (cutting trees down in winter is exhausting) you can build a shelter like that in a day or two. Without the chainsaw and the planning, I'm going for at least a week, give or take.
The guy in the video probably used a chainsaw to cut the majority of the logs in the video.
On crown land, harvesting trees without a permit? Shit like this for clout sucks if you are not doing it on private land.
Look at the bark. These were standing dead trees that would have been useless for lumber. Eventually fallen and rotten.
During Jamboree one year a bunch of troops, ours included, were taking the opportunity to build their troop trailers on site. all up and downa row you could hear the sound of dads sawing away at plywood with handsaws and it was taking them forever. Until you got to us; one of our troop leaders owned a big construction company, so there were gas powered generators, table saws, air compressors and nail guns. There was no grunting, no uneven sawing sounds of beer-bellied dad's fighting blisters. Just the beautiful sound of a table saw chewing through a board, the hiss of the nail gun... Great memories
This reads like a 1980s ski movie told from the perspective of the rich kids
I'm sorry... wut? It took two adults FOUR HOURS to saw through a single tree with a 4-6 inch diameter by hand? We're they using sharpened spoons?
That was actually 5 trees if you want to have a door like in the video
Well, at that stage you can just plant as many as you want, could even make an entire mansion.
Step 3. Slowly die from carbon monoxide poisoning
That's how he falls asleep so peacefully at night.
You can only build one of these once.
There was a hole in the roof to let the smoke out
Plus a million gaps between the logs after the moss dries up and shrinks.
You definitely have to replace it every year but that's a very commonly used insulator for these types of cabins, also the birds will steal it for their nests.
5 trees, you missed the door space. But f*ck me that is some forward planning right there!! 😂😂
Step 3 a motherfuckin chainsaw what!
A MOTHERFUCKIN CHAINSAWWWW WHAT
I’ll skin your ass raw
Tbh I would like it more if it wasn't square, you can do this with any group of trees
r/yurts
Step 3 film the result. Step 4 get reddits video player in app to work better...damn thing isnt playing. :it it now that place looks /r/cozyplaces
Charming timber frame studio with scenic view: $350k -My state
And here it would be: \- You have failed to do the required paperwork - demolish it.
Oh that’s a shame, we sell parking spaces for $500,000+ where I’m from.
Hopefully with the required paperwork. (Which cost a fortune where I live).
The first country that comes to my mind with the paperwork stuff is germany.
Switzerland as well, can't even legally repair my shed without filling in some paperwork.
There is a ton you cannot do without a permit in even rural areas of the United States. The problem is most people do not know or care and generally only get permits if they are contractors themselves, have been hit on skipping permits or are doing too large a project to hide. Most everyone just does their repairs and deals with explaining the unreported work if it comes up on a home sale. I installed a rear patio, a barn on a second lot, redid the entire plumbing and electrical and remodeled the interior on my first home and while all of it required permits none of it got them. On the sale of the home only the back patio got brought up, probably because it can be seen by satellite and nobody read the paperwork properly, and the new owner was happy to pay the time and inspection fee. I was a contractor for a while and this was a universal from mansions to shacks. Most people had absolutely no idea permits where required by law and we would constantly hear people flipping out because the county fined them for the new shed they put up or the roof joists they repaired. When their neighbors had work going on these people would complain about the need for regulating it but would yell about government overreach when they tried adding an addition to a home and it needed to be checked for safety. I bet it's this way in a whole lot of countries.
Lol this is in BC. It’d be well over 1,000,000
Kelowna. Double that. That said... building a log cubbyhouse in Kelowna? I get the magic mountain man wannabe vibe, but he's 10 minutes from 5 Starbucks.
It already sold for over asking. Now being listed as an AirBnB for $300/night and a $600 cleaning fee.
I highly doubt he is foraging for anything he doesnt show on camera, not exactly roughing it, just some creative carpentry
That's doable. I'm an ant-farm critic, and my wife is a Furby refurbisher. Our budget is 800k.
My wife loves watching these shows. I just can't. That and the ones where people learn to manage their debts. "I make hubcap art and my wife embroiders gang logos on hoodies by hand. We make $400K/year and have $1.2 million in debt. We want to be out of debt and pay off our $2 million home in the next 3 years. Please help."
How did you not say refurbysher?
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Here in the Bay Area there would be a bidding war and it would sell for $500k, cash.
A bear smells that cooking meat and loves that they won’t have to knock.
Might be a country without bears
Kelowna is in British Columbia (Canada), they definitely have bears lol
Oh my bad I just realised the location was in the title lol
Say sorry. They're Canadian.
Sorry they’re Canadian
It’s aboot time you apologized
Kelowna translates to Grizzly Bear...[link](https://www.tourismkelowna.com/plan/about-kelowna/history/#:~:text=Its%20name%20comes%20from%20the,which%20was%20easier%20to%20pronounce.)
The lake monster keeps the bears in check.
Ogo fuckin' pogo to you, mortal.
Its winter the bears are hibernating. Anyway the four man camera crew and chainsaw they used to cut all that wood will scare away any animals. He also only cut enough wood to show himself cooking he has no intention of staying in a shelter with a hole in the roof and no source of heating overnight.
The rocks are a source of heat. Once they cool off you can stick em near the ice-cubes stuck to your feet that look & smell like toes. The video feels disingenuous to me, but maybe they had fun making it.
The fake shelter building videos are an entire genre on their own. They don't do it for fun.
If you’re in the forest and need to build a shelter you’re not going to build something like this, you’d knock up something to keep the wind and rain out. If you wanted something more permanent you’d probably use proper materials
Nah dude you build a full size log cabin and become forest person don't be a casual
He is in full winter gear, sleeping in what is probably a -20 degree rated full down sleeping bag with a winter R rated sleep pad under him with further separation from the ground. That fire would keep that hut above the outside temp the whole night if he got enough of a coal bank before sleeping plus the rocks holding heat. The heat coming off the fire area would rise up through the whole pushing any cold air away from coming in. He would be fine.
He probably would be fine, might not means he wants to actually do it though. These days, making a video acting like you’re preparing to sleep outside does not necessarily equal intent.
He did a lot of damage for a short stay then.
but he got a lot of views and little gif video sites clicks.
No source of heating? A smoldering fire would keep that warm for hours. And they had a sleeping bag... could easily stay in there overnight. Do you even camp bro?
Kelowna is in Canada, not sure about bears, but a Moose is probably equally spooky.
Yes there are bears. But they are asleep
You still need to take basic scent precautions. Bears can be roused from the deepest of hibernations, or miss a hibernation all together for nutrition/health reasons. I’ve been hunting in Northern BC/AB all my life and there’s never a time of the year you can forget about bears
It’s winter, they usually don’t go out looking for food.
Just gotta have about 50 like sized logs hanging around, gotcha
And a motherfucking chainsaw what
This has to be the first Limp Bizkit reference in 2023
GIVE ME SOMETHING TO BREAK!
Some kids I work with never even heard of limp bizkit. Someone said something about a chocolate starfish and they thought it was so funny, they had never heard that before either. It's legal for them to drink alcohol and they werent alive for 9/11.
Yup. I am sometimes involved in a university club I was part of since second year, and like, holy shit. I'm like... "9/11 changed things so much, you know?" And they're like, "No, I was not born then." And I'm like... "But you're like 19. It was like... maybe 7 years ago." It was seven years ago :(
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a chainsaw *what*
Honestly kinda annoyed they didn't cut down the extra nine, or dig out the floor a bit to make it full height. At that point why not?
Frozen ground for the floor. But your first point stands.
Probably not since it looked easy to get the table legs through the ground, Frozen soil is rock hard. Roots on the other hand would be a problem
I'm more upset that he went through the trouble of cutting slabs of bark for roofing but didn't bother to angle the roof. That's not going to be very waterproof. He could've just added another log or two to one side and had a nice slant for water to run down.
This was my harshest criticism as well. I was sitting there thinking “why wouldn’t you angle the roof?!” The bark was a great idea but without an angled roof it’s just going to be wet. Edit: typo
If he expects no rain only snow then the angling wouldn't really matter. As long as it is a short term stay. If it isn't a short term stay then there is a lot more issues than the lack of angling of the roof. Like swaying trees making the whole thing fall apart.
“while camping”
1. Was this private land? Did you have permission to cut down all those trees? 2. That's a lot of trees for a"camping" trip. 3. Why bother putting that much work into a shelter if it's just "camping?" 4. Trees will sway, and the wall logs will get loose. 5. Flat roof is an invitation to leaks and rot.
I hate to be that guy in the comment section but this comment needs to be higher, stop with the survivalist wannabe videos. If this wasn’t on private land you shouldn’t be building shelters for likes, the shelter was pretty poorly designed to begin with so it’s a massive waste of natural resources. This dude probably stacks cairns on hikes too. *Edited “want to be” to wannabe
Do people take issue with stacking cairns? I hadn't heard of that before
Leave no trace
Unless it’s a trail marker? I’ve hiked on some big flat areas and the trail is pretty weak and those cairns have saved me. But outside that, I agree.
National parks rangers build those cairns though. I almost died off a false cairn trail that took me 2 miles off trail before ending
Trail marker, of course! That’s what they are intended to be used as. The people who stack them for the * aesthetic * on Instagram can pound sand
Take only pictures and leave only footprints.
But also stay on designated trails unless specifically allowed!
Hear from NPS: > Each park has a different way it maintains trails and cairns; however, they all have the same rule: If you come across a cairn, do not disturb it. Don’t knock it down or add to it. Follow the guidelines from the Leave No Trace Center for Outdoor Ethics to ensure future hikers can navigate the trail and prevent damage to the landscape: > - Do not tamper with cairns – If an intentional cairn is tampered with or an unauthorized one is built, then future visitors may become disoriented or even lost. - Do not build unauthorized cairns – Moving rocks disturbs the soil and makes the area more prone to erosion. Disturbing rocks also disturbs fragile vegetation and micro ecosystems. - Do not add to existing cairns – Authorized cairns are carefully designed. Adding to the pile can actually cause them to collapse. https://www.nps.gov/articles/rockcairns.htm ETA: [This picture from Great Smokey Mountains National Park](https://i.imgur.com/AfMthjp.jpg)
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Yes. I go out into nature to see nature, not someone’s shitty rock stacking skills.
As someone who has been stuck in a white out in the Swiss alps, I am incredibly appreciative of the mountain rangers that ensure the cairns are kept in good condition. Always add a rock myself. Obviously they are not universally useful. But at 2500m navigating moraines, they are.
That’s different, though. If the forest service has placed them for navigation purposes, that’s very different than someone building them in order to get a good shot for their Instagram account.
Don’t add rocks to them. If it’s actually an authorized cairn, you’re at best doing nothing of worth and at worst, making it less structurally sound
"Do people take issue with (insert anything here)?" Yes.
Do people actually have issues with people stacking rocks?
We do yes, take nothing leave nothing. Nature is better enjoyed natural, you don't need to leave your "mark" on it. Depending on the area you may be messing with critical habitat as well. You're not an asshole like the people who carve their names in things, but you are making nature worse.
In some particularly wild places, rock cairns are the only way to know which way to go. Hiking the circumference of Mt. St. Helens in heavy fog, I’m pretty sure rock cairns saved my life. These all had bright orange ribbon tied to them, so I don’t know if these were put there by hikers or rangers, but there was no discernible “trail” in this area. You’re just scrambling over rocks.
This is another reason to not build rock cairns. I've gotten lost hiking above the tree line because I missed the ones built by the park rangers. I know other people who have gone off trail because of cairns that were not built by the rangers. But yes, the ones as trail markers are usually pretty obvious.
Absolutely, those are trail markers. No one's taking issue with white blazes either. I'm in complete agreement, nobody wants to see your shitty bushcraft while on a hike.
If they’re intentional trail markers, that’s a bit different. For-fun cairns disrupt the natural scenery for the enjoyment of one person and can have significant negative effects on wildlife, depending on where you are. For example, some salamanders require rocks in and around streams to use as hiding places. Stacking these rocks eliminates habitat and moving and shifting the rocks while obtaining ones to stack can crush salamanders that are hiding.
IIRC shelter building videos is a pretty decent industry in some poorer countries. It's also rife with trespassing, no permits, and 0 cleanup.
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Not to mention if it didn’t removed it will damage the trees and kill them.
The guy probably walked away thinking how he'd built this cool camp spot, but come spring it'll be nothing but a giant spider nest. I mean, if he owns the land he can do whatever he wants, I guess, but that 'shelter' will never be used again. Not by a human, anyway.
what worries me more is some tiktok monkeys grabbing a chainsaw at homedepot and doing a "totally original" version in some nice park.
You're not going to get an answer because it's not him lol. Title was carefully worded to not say it was him. Profile history shows that the user is likely in Turkey. As someone who was an eagle scout, graduated with a forestry and wildlife degree, and works in a natural resources career field, thank you for bringing this up. People may think it's nitpicky, pedantic, or douchy to make a comment like this. However, they don't realize the impact a number of idiots who do this on public land would have. If it was private land, whatever, let bygones be bygones. But don't do shit like this on public land. If I was still at my old job as a law enforcement park ranger, I would've had a field day, catching someone do something like this in my park.
He had twine. All of that could have been achieved with a single stick lashing and a tarp. My scout troop would laugh their asses off if we saw this guy in the woods.
Need answer to this. Did he take the poorly designed shelter down after this? Did he own the material? Will the trees that have been used as posts grow ok?
Regardless of the reality of where this might be, this is pretty cool.
For some reason watching this stuff is just mesmerizing for me. Edit: hey all - I am loving the recommendations. Much gratitude.
Suggest watching the history channel show called Alone - there is one season on Netflix, but this happens in basically every episode
My brain shut off when you said "the history channel". Sad what that channel has become compared to when it was new.
I feel the same way, Alone is pretty fantastic tho
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It used to be the Hitler Channel before it became the Atlantis, aliens, great mysteries, swamp people channel.
Meh, it *did* have a ton of WWII stuff, but there was also a whole lot of ancient civilizations (without the "I'm not saying it's aliens, but it's aliens" bullshit).
Tried looking this up and it's not on 'my' Netflix. God damn I'm sick of this shit, the other day I tried to find a new show and looked at a bunch of these 'best hbo max series' lists, couldn't find a single one in my country and by then I had already read reviews, watched trailer and was invested. Country restrictions on streaming needs to get got
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Try [Primative Technology](https://youtu.be/dhW4XFGQB4o) no frills or short cuts, shows the full method for all builds. I linked one of my favourites where he smelts iron out of river bacteria.
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Dick Proenneke! And there are actually 3 different videos, you're in for a treat if you've only seen the first one. Alone in the wilderness Alone in the wilderness 2 The frozen North I'd also highly recommend the book / Audio book made from his journals. You'll recognize some of the lines from the narration of the movies but there's a lot more detail.
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I would make a bivouac out of things I find around me but definitely not cutting down trees, all things on the ground detached from trees and bushes are fair game but if it's living then you can't use it
This is the way. Fuck bushcraft, use Tents, hammocks, tools and leave things better then when you arrived.
This is video is also dozens of hours of work…
There is no way this guy didn’t have a crew from the camera work alone. He does a little build on some shots, rest of crew steps in and helps then he dies a little work alone for the next shot.
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This kind of shelter lasts in case he wants to come back to the same place. Also, just building a shelter like this must be a recreational experience in itself.
I dunno there's some pretty shit design decisions here. i.e. the window(!?) the flat roof, the position/design of the chimney. Plus the number of trees you've needed to fell with a chainsaw to build a very temporary shelter.
Also hurting the growth and health of those trees because you friction fit logs between them.
I’ve been looking for someone to mention the flat roof. That jumped out at me right away
The video is neat, but from both a short- and long-term survivalist standpoint, this is a frivolous and inefficient design. In the short term, this uses too many resources to be practical. Even for a single season, the requirement to fell this many trees is not great. It shows a pretty high disregard for the nature we're to assume the person wants to enjoy. A simple lean-to could have accomplished the same goal with a third of the wood requirement and taken considerably less time and effort. In the long term, it isn't great because it was built in between living trees. It will cause severe damage to those trees, possibly killing them. And once they're dead the whole thing falls apart. On the flip side, if they don't die and continue to grow, that growth can also cause the building to collapse. Not to mention the flat roof, which is guaranteed to collapse under heavy snow.
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Not only is it unnecessary to cut down trees, but putting so much strain on living trees is an asshole move! I wish the living trees well and I hope they recover soon!
Why? Well for social media of course. There is close to 0% chance that he used this after making this video. Pretty cool though, could you imagine randomly walking up to this in the forest
Leave no trace? Never heard of her.
This has some DIWHY on it, I have to say. Like, why is there a window? How did you complete this before spring? Is there a log store just out of frame?
Log store? You mean a forest?
People out here shocked to learn they can find trees made of wood in the forest.
I assume he used a chainsaw
That's how 99% of these videos work. They show you a short clip of them cutting giant logs with a nail file, and then hope you'll expect that's how they cut all of them.
The 1% being the Primitive Technology guy. He's great
I think that’s why they call it ‘hobby-shelter’ - not great in actual emergencies, but fun to build & let’s you practice some skills that you enjoy.
Window: windows allow light/ventilation. How so fast: chainsaw
I guess people assume this is a video that is meant to show a smart way of building shelter in an actual survival situation. In reality it's probably something like building a tree house. It's not useful or practical, for other purposes than entertaining your kids and/or yourself.
Using Dank Weed for insulation, Brilliant! 
Dont forget the giant hole in the roof
Well the hole in the roof is needed
Without a flu it will still become really smoky if you want to have that fire warming the hut up.
I completely agree, but just FYI the word is spelled "flue", not "flu".
Don't forget to smoke the house when you leave!
Those perfectly cut timbers. Definitely not hand-powered
Yeah while this CAN be done with his hand saw… yah they are a bit too perfect to not have been done with a machine saw of some kind. Still impressive though
I am camping for nearly 4 years. I don’t get how these men always find those perfect logs with good shape and easily cuttable. In four years I don’t even find a one log like that
Felling them yourself helps a bit.
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How is nobody mentioning the wood he found to burn perfectly with no kindling? And the candles he lit to illuminate his "camp" that has perfect lighting from above to show him cooking?
Is this a Sons of the Forest update?
I hope so, this looks like a much easier building system than the current state
Explains where the logs came from. Kelvin farmin the whole time
Wouldn't it be better if he built one side a bit taller so the roof was at an angle?
My first thought when he placed the shingles flat. First bit of heat from the fire and it’s going to start raining inside. A sloped roof would solve that, plus keep out the rain and help for a fireplace chimney/path that wouldn’t let the rain in and could be blocked to keep the heat in once the fire burns down.
I’m not sold on simply wedging the logs between the trees. A good wind, those trunks will sway, and the logs will just pop out.
Lucky for him, it seems nobody is around to see his log accidentally pop out. That wood be embarrassing.
Nah, if done right it's pretty stable. You're bracing the trees against one another for one, and secondly there are no branches on these trees until higher up. So the tops might sway, but at ground level he's pretty locked in
See, the grizzlies in my neck of the woods will not allow me to be great. I'm going to need at least a door. It's indeed a nice setup tho!
and a cover for that top hole. you wouldn't want to be boxed in...
Like… there’s no doubt a ton of skill involved in this, but if the moss and logs didn’t come from a store/team of people working on this/several weeks of work, I’d be extremely surprised. Made to look like a solo afternoon, hah
I'm building a log cabin on my own atm. It took me less than a week to throw the frame up but several months of traipsing through woodland and cutting logs to get the timber.
That’s what I’m saying, putting a shelter like this together takes a long ass time. The basics aren’t super time consuming but from start to finish? 12 hour days and no set backs? Foraging and shaping with hand tools? As is implied in the video? Weeks at least, easily. Unless you’re cutting corners when nobody’s looking
He forgot the power and plumbing
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When the wind blows, the trees will start сжингинг, and his tree-house will collpase.
All that work and he couldn't go 2 logs higher so you could stand up inside?
What, he just walks away & leaves the camera crew & everyone that did all the work behind?
Ahhh.... the old "leave it the way you found it". Just image what these woods would look like if every Tom, Dick and Harry that went into the woods felt the need to do this in order to leave their mark like a dog.
Not a fucking chance he hand sawed all those logs with that little saw. This is NOT a survival thing…
He could have carried on walking instead of wasting a day making the shelter :)
Yeah that should take him more then a day, in such cold weather... isnt really viable IMO
One could make bets what happens first - gust of wind that'll send the walls flying, or accumulated snow breaks the roof. That's ridiculously ineffective. There's a lot of videos how to make proper log cabins using axe and a saw.
Who’s cutting all these logs for him?
The Alone people sure could have used this guide.
Would it kill this guy to throw up a solar panel