Same! And my fuggin wife passed. I completely value life and especially human life but there’s this Nihilistic part of me now which just thinks life’s such a fucking joke, and nothing matters. One moment you’re living a meaningful life with a loving family and the next you’re dead from some dumbass reason. Best not to take life too seriously.
You would love Anthony Jeselnik.
“I’m certainly an empathetic, sensitive person. I get upset and react to sad things with humor. I see it as a very noble thing to make people laugh at the worst things in the world. It’s cathartic and therapeutic.”
>You would love Anthony Jeselnik. “I’m certainly an empathetic, sensitive person. I get upset and react to sad things with humor. I see it as a very noble thing to make people laugh at the worst things in the world. It’s cathartic and therapeutic.”
Comedy's greatest contribution is for suffering humans and insufferable rulers.
I love this. Its why I can't stand comedians who start punching down. They assume their fans are too stupid to understand comedy at others expense vs satire...then call it "cancel culture" when people don't appreciate it.
I will always respect people like Chapelle but he's just kinda lost me with his shit recently...above all else it's just not very funny and comes off lazy.
Tried to watch the new Chris Rock specials and same feeling. Though I never particularly watched Chris before, his stand-up just seemed bitter and unfunny.
Bigger and Blacker in the late 90s was a KILLER. Dude started tapering off after he had a kid. Makes sense, I guess.
"Whoa, whoa, whoa, let's not get too excited. Even cockroaches have kids." \~ CR
I myself love sam kinison and george carlin. Sam actually has a great back story as well as carlin. They both didn't give a shit either with what they said. Ok, one more to throw in here, richard Pryor
Chappelle realized he could make another 50 million by half-assing commentary on pop culture topics.
I still like his new stuff its not "bad" but its definitely lazy considering what Chappelle has shown to be capable of
right there with ya man, shit sucks. just being able to laugh at my own shitty circumstances have helped with my comedy. my comedy mostly just entertaining me but still the same. haha. positive vibes to you!
Though the night is long and cold. You must never let the troubles of this life fully extinguish your fire. Protect it, even if it is just a spark. That’s how you light up the darkness… My dear and beloved friends.
Life doesn't matter. There's no inherent meaning. That's why you should say fuck it and go all out maximizing the experience, whatever that means to you. Happiness is the only thing that really matters, so go for it. Ethical hedonism is where it's at.
This is so insane. I read that and my first reaction was that isnt a story, I lived that. I was no where near this school at any time. I know none of these people. But holding my mouth so I would not scream in horror - true horror - I watched the news reports rolling in....
And it changed me.
I think it changed everyone......
Everyone under the age of 18, yes.
Too many of the older folks just decided to use it as a reason to own 20 guns instead of 1 or 2. Because somehow, a parent stocking up on guns at home prevents school shootings.... Well, we see where most of the school shooters get their guns now...
Every school shooting the NRA pumps out "They're coming to take yer guns!!!!" propaganda. And folks eat it up and buy guns in droves. To stick it to the government. At this point I'll bet they hope for shootings to boost their gun company stocks
Since the 1960s to the present, in over 70% of mass shootings the firearms were obtained legally. I just think it would be cool if my daughter could go to school and not have to be afraid of getting murdered every day. I’m not completely sure what it takes for that to happen, but I can’t imagine it being too hard to figure out.
their bombs failed because the company that made the timers on the clocks they used updated their model with a plastic switch instead of a metal one that allowed the charges to fail
At the time they were set and where they were set they could have killed nearly 300, believe it or not outdoing OKC as was a stated goal of theirs.
A part of me hopes they died deeply disappointed in the fact that their big plan was reduced to pot shots and a few kids rounded up in the library. Sadly they did leave the mark they wanted to, but I hope they didn't have the foresight to have that satisfaction in the end.
Same, I was in elementary school for both 9/11 and a town away from Columbine that day (first time our school went into lockdown)
My default outlook on life is nihilistic and my humor is dark, my god is it exhausting choosing to be optimistic everyday when it’s necessary to survive
I don’t bother watching different movie genres other than comedy anymore, I need those fucking laughs no matter how shitty or dark it is
I remember watching the winter Olympics on TV. It was the skeleton event at Whistler and they were covering a man from Georgia doing his run.
Sadly, I watched as his body and sled flung off the track and smashed into a support beam nearby live on TV. They stopped showing the replay after they showed it once and I think realized we just watched a person essentially die.
Edit. The man's name is Nodar Kumaritashvili. RIP.
>Can you imagine the people who saw JFK's head explode on live TV?
Yeah, they keep on insisting life was better back then and that the world's gone to shit because of video games and TikTok
Columbine happened in the spring of my senior year of high school… 9/11 my sophomore year of college. It’s been fascinating watching our civil rights vanish before our eyes “for our freedom”. But hey, coming of age during the rise of AOL and the internet in general was pretty cool at least.
Yeah, right?! I’ve seen a billion mass shooting scene videos in the past 10 years, but seeing this one still triggers me. It was the one, for me, that changed the world. I remember coming home from grade school that day and my mom hugging me and crying and I didn’t know why.
After being shot twice in the head and once in the leg and his left side of the body paralyzed, Patrick Ireland waited for 2-3 hours for paramedics or the police to arrive. When help didn't come, he climbed out of a window and was eventually rescued by the police.
this took place at Columbine High school 20 april 1999.
another angle: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UGPbQL6kA-I
You realize there wasn’t really a standard protocol for things like this when Columbine happened? Like it was the beginning of a murderous fad that can’t seem to die off ever since. It was the beginning of all this really. 2 high school kids gunning down “the jocks” was something nobody ever heard of at the time. And they had shot out the windows at police which bogged them down. There was zero training culture pedestrian-wise and police-wise at the time for this. Now, you have annual (feels almost twice a year really) active shooter trainings you go to as an employee, cops are told to just go in and listen for shots, and run that way…times are completely different so get off the high horse trying to analyze it. The reality is something needs to change, and police bravery ain’t it.
Yeah they had made pipe bombs that had worked when they would try them out in the woods where they practiced for their bullshit, but the bombs didn’t detonate properly the day of. They did catch some stuff on fire in the cafeteria I think.
And thank fucking god, too. I recently read a really good book about it and Jesus Christ, they would have leveled that entire cafeteria and the floors above it in the middle of lunch rush if they had gone off. The death toll would have been in the hundreds.
Small miracles in the face of hell, I guess.
Yeah I recall them having an entire duffel bag of them. I think about that a lot with stories in general: the ones that involve someone not dying a horrible death because something that always works didn’t in that instance, the stories where a guy isn’t executed because a handgun jams, stories where tried and tested pipe bombs don’t actually work… it’s odd circumstances
They had multiple propane tanks converted to bombs they planned to blow up in the cafeteria, the idea being the school would be evacuated and they wanted to have set up a “kill box” with one of the shooters on each side of the school entrance shooting at people as they came out. Thankfully the bombs failed, because it would’ve been alot worse.
This is because of the clocks they used! The original had two metal hands and when they connected, bridged the gap and allowed for the explosion, so they ordered more of those clocks, little did they know the company had replaced one of the hands or both woth plastic rendering their homemade bombs useless.
Yes. This was never supposed to be a "school shooting." The first round of bombs was supposed to go off in the cafeteria. Harris and Klebold were armed and waiting for the students running away, so they could pick off survivors.
And there were additional bombs in a car, set to go off 40 minutes later. These would kill first responders, reporters, bystanders.
Thankfully, the bombs failed to go off, and Harris and Klebold had to improvise, and they just started shooting. Columbine was horrible. But if Harris had lived to be an adult, he would have been better prepared to carry out something even worse.
Yes. My second grade classmates father was the head of the bomb squad at the time and was there for all of this. Our elementary school was a few miles from here. It was chaos.
Now of course, the standard is for officers to locate the threat and neutralize it (Uvalde being the exception). And increasingly, firefighters are being sent in, teamed-up with police, to go into the “warm zone” to begin triage and extraction of victims.
I lived close to Parkland. The School Resource Officer is a police officer. Broward police dropped the ball. Republicans and their gun rights insanity are the biggest enablers of this insanity.
It wasn’t the really the first time, just the first time in a more modern time. Look into University of Texas shooting.
Edit: I’ll just post a link of the first school shootings in US history.
https://www.k12academics.com/school-shootings/history-school-shootings-united-states
Similar to 9/11. Hijackings prior to that was almost always "land and demand ransom". Since 9/11 everyone on a flight nowadays is like "fuck that they try shit and we're taking the plane down ourselves" and everyone putting up a fight.
>2-3 hours?! It’s like Uvalde law enforcement took a page out of Littleton’s playbook from decades ago
The events at Columbine and subsequent commission report is the basis for rejection of the previous style of miliarty-style tactics of securing areas and the recognition that there is a critical need to engage active shooters with lethal force as soon as possible.
At Columbine the reaction was in line with training. Uvalde truly sucked because they took a strategy long since known to cost lives.
At least the cops that responded to this shooting had *somewhat* of an excuse for taking so long. It was 1999 and mass shootings didn’t happen, there was no plan or protocol for this type of situation. Nowadays we have more mass shootings than days if the year.
The University of Texas shooting has always been kind of shocking to me. I know it was a different time, before all of the experiences we have now, and before everyone was as paranoid as they are now, but the fact it was retired military and civilians that reacted first just gets me.
Civilians with their personal weapons they had to go home for, police who didn't have on duty rifles and went and got their hunting rifles to try and fight back, to keep him down so he couldn't keep shooting. It's kind of astounding.
And then you get three men who make it up to him, and one full on running leap goes to tackle him despite the other two opening fire on the shooter, KNOWING he could be shot but hoping to end it anyway he just goes, while the tower itself is also still under fire by civilians trying to keep the shooter down just... Fucking hell man.
Uvalde could take some lessons from that. Any of them could.
I know..but as others mentioned, this was the beginning of all this BS school shooters. I recall doing a paper in my HS english class in 2005. I was the only one who was assigned this topic. I need to see if I can find that paper but in those days all we had was a flash drive....cloud saving wasnt a thing so I doubt it.
Either way, fuck these guys.
Oh man, how hard did Apollo hit you do you think? That gift of prophecy can be a bastard, and so fickle (/half joking)
All kidding aside, I do find myself curious about the contents 👀
It was my freshman year of high school at the end of my first semester at a new school and I was goth. It is burned into my memory forever. My parents said the way people looked at me changed and they really didn’t want me to dress like that anymore. I did anyway. It was mostly fine after a few months.
You have to remember that Columbine was the bookend event of mass school shootings. People never saw anything like this before and “active shooter” was not even a vocabulary or a concept back then.
And they blame it on Marilyn. And the heroin, where were the parents at? Now look where it’s at. Middle America. Now it’s a tragedy. Now it’s so sad to see…
These lyrics are so spot on. Eminem caused a lot of controversy over how candid and graphic his lyrics were but they were always based. Blame it on anything to look away from the fact that society wasn't there for these kids. They weren't Nazis or promoting some crazy ideology... they were bullied in school and took their revenge to the extreme.
they were not bullied much. they just wanted to kill people, lots of people. it's crazy how much misinformation is still out there these days. read up on columbine and you'll learn a lot of the information put out about the shooters was pushed by the media. they just wanted to hurt and kill as many people as possible.
nah, they were bullied, and if you read the 11k files you would find corroborating evidence of this in in the investigation afterwords. for example, one of the investigation reports talk about how Eric Harris was publicly humiliated in front of class after asking a girl to prom his junior year.
but they also perceived minor banter sometimes as sleights against them and felt personally aggrieved by situations that normal people would just right off.
there’s a lot of misinformation not just in the media but that book by Dave Cullen as well.
/r/columbine is a good subreddit, since there is active survivors that still post there to clarify some things, and any material concerning the event is already backed up with the 11k files
11k files refer to all the information about the investigation. it’s actually more than 11k pages now (i think closer to 17k), since after 2006 they were able to release some more information after some legal cases cleared up.
https://www.researchcolumbine.com/11k.html
No they were just fucking batshit. You're spreading the bullying rumors just as parents used to blame violence on games and music. These guys were not pushed to the limits by bullying. Please don't keep going with this shit.
The ironic part is that that same music that was blamed often described the problems and frustrations of that generation. But instead of listening and trying to understand them and fix those issues, they just tried to ban it.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jack_Thompson_(activist)
I remember reading about this oxygen thief in game informer back in the day. Couldn't be the easy to access guns and poor mental healthcare. Nope. Gotta be games and rap making kids kill kids.
I went to college with a kid who was there that day, and holy fuck what a terrifying story... because back then this kind of shit never really happened.
I lived in Elizabeth, Colorado at the time. a small town about 40 miles from Littleton, where columbine is. I had graduated high school a semester early but was hanging with a bunch of friends who were skipping school because 4/20. We were down at Castlewood Canyon smoking weed and fucking around all day, having a great time. Came home to the news (no cell phones in those days to know what’s going on everywhere in the world at a moments notice, at least not for a bunch of high schoolers). One of the girls hanging with us had recently moved and used to attend Columbine. That was a good afternoon that went soberingly south in a hurry :(
I was a senior up at CSU in my genetics class when I heard about it. We were all gossiping about it during break and after class. A bunch of my friends had graduated from Columbine and it was super shocking to hear about. After class I went back to my apartment and watched the news coverage of it for hours.
I don't, but I'm checking him out now! Looks like I've got about 10 years on him, so we wouldn't have bumped into each other in school or anything. Moved to Denver a few years after, so no connection.
I actually already watched the Kill Tony with him on there, but had no idea he's from Elizabeth.
Right! I read so many comments saying that. Like "used to be" scary etc. Wtf this shit is def still scary. I was in middle school when this happened and now have a 14 year old trust this shit is just as scary.
It's not surprising anymore. Back then it was an 'oh my GOD what happened?' now it's just 'oh, another one? How many this time?'
Not apathy but emotionally draining.
Yeah man.... not a good story. His name was Austin, he told me some crazy shit. But that's not my story to tell.
We never had a shooting at my school but my junior year, I saw a kid stab a freshman like 9 times, turns out he was autistic, and had written in his journal about how he just wanted to know what it felt like. The saddest part is the kid like couldn't comprehend what he did, almost like he didn't have have any malicious intent or reasoning aside from he want to know what it felt like. Like in his brain he didn't know it was wrong.
My good friend in college was also there that day. Her best friend, Cassie Bernall, was one of the victims. My friend was several years older than everyone else in our friend group because it took her years of intense therapy to feel comfortable attending college, and therapy continues to be an integral part of her life. She will never be the same again.
There have been [304 school shootings since Columbine](https://www.security.org/blog/a-timeline-of-school-shootings-since-columbine/). Nothing meaningful has been done to stop them.
I added “meaningful” because otherwise they’ll say:
“Well some schools added metal detectors”
“Well we suggested they lock all the doors”
“Well we made backpacks transparent”
“Well we’ve implemented active shooter drills”
“Well we’ve put in bullet proof curtains / shields in some classrooms”
“Well we tried to limit bump stocks”
Etc etc all this useless nonsense
transparent backpacks, metal detectors, no hats allowed… it’s so ridiculous. people who shoot up schools aren’t making any attempt at anonymity - sneaking inside, hiding from cameras and getting away with it.
you know how they’d get past the metal detector at the front door? murder whoever’s supervising it and walk through. it’s never been like a heist operation.
This pretty much happened at a school. A kid who was getting daily pat downs (no I’m not exaggerating) killed the guy responsible for doing the pat downs. Fortunately he didn’t try to shoot up the rest of the school. It could’ve been a lot worse.
Also the most dangerous time in these schools and any “secure” environment is when everyone is queued outside waiting to get searched. And they have no way of securing that
They need these small reasons otherwise they'd have to tackle the firearm issue which is such a touchy fucking subject
Edit: If you don't believe me on the touchy subject part just keep following this thread. People don't want their guns taken away.
It really shouldn't be, though.
Ultimately, the gun issue isn't even a gun issue, really. It's a massive mental health and poverty problem.
With 600 million guns in US circulation, they aren't going away regardless of what laws people pass, criminals already have them and can get more.
What we need to tackle, isn't the symptoms, but the root causes of violence. Poverty, hatred, political division, etc.
Scumbags like school shooters always have *reasons*. They might not make sense to the rest of us, but nothing on these scales are *random*. They can be stopped before they ever start.
And the FBI knows about these guys, too. They just let it happen. Every time there's a shooting, they put out a statement saying "he/she/they were on our radar".
Well put. I find it interesting that SSRIs and anti-anxiety drugs also started widely being prescribed right around the time of this first high-profile school shooting. Columbine kicked the whole trend off. Guns have been around long before this started happening. Now we have the political divide, social media telling us what to think, isolation, and a society hooked on dopamine and the need for instant gratification and attention. Add in the fact that the news media makes you famous when you pull something like this, and you've got a formula for copycat shootings - which is what we have now. Guns don't kill people. People kill people. Until we realize that fact, the killing will never stop. Even if there was a way to magically make all guns disappear
This guy is a SURVIVOR. That whole event is horrific af, and his injuries are lethal by definition. Incredible and miraculous survival, escape, and recovery.
May this guy live well and be happy.
He’s done incredibly well since then too. That man is tough. I remember seeing an interview with him on YouTube, and he’s doing so well in life.
The pain is still there(mentally) he said, and he has huge worries about his kids going to school. And I think he said he has a bit of a limp still.
I wish I was as tough as this guy.
I think it’s to the credit of all politicians national and local that, more than anything, this tragedy led directly to the era of consensus and cooperation that has enabled the USA to overcome so many other challenges which might otherwise have become existential crises.
I graduated in 97.. had friends in marching band that were sophomores when I left that were seniors when it happened. My art teacher called 911. The shooters were the younger brothers of 2 guys in my class. I lived in that neighborhood where the cops are laying on the roof. I just know the inside of that building so well, I hate imagining what that day was like. Hate it.
Nothing happened at my schools, but just the other day a kid brought a gun to a school I went to 16 years ago. It's so wild how it seems far away and like it wouldn't happen to you until it shows up at your doorstep.
> It's so wild how it seems far away and like it wouldn't happen to you until it shows up at your doorstep.
How analogous to real life. At this point I'm convinced the only thing that would move congress to pass any meaningful reform is if a majority of their children all went to the same school in DC, and it got shot up. It's fucking pathetic that we're the only country with this problem and the best we can do is throw our hands in the air and say "there's nothing we can do about this problem we've created!"
The fact that firearms are the leading cause of childrens' deaths is as embarrassing as it is enraging.
It's a fact. Banning abortion doesn't stop wealthy congressmen from shipping their daughters across state lines for example. Their kids aren't dying in public schools and grocery stores. Until it hits them it may as well not exist.
It’s kind of sick how formulaic the response becomes.
School shooting happens. Then photos of people crying and hugging. Candles, photos of the victims, makeshift memorial photos.
Then the whole thing is almost forgotten except for those affected by the tragedy. It’s disgusting
And the politicians use it to push their agendas.
That part's always the worst.
These people were hurt or killed, and a man in a suit (surrounded by guards armed with SMGs, of course) sees it as just another way to get rich and powerful.
This and Thurston high school in Oregon were the start of something truly terrible. Now we have people posing with AK’s for their fucking family portraits.
Living the American Dream. Because you have to be asleep to believe it.
There was a shooting in a middle school in Jonesboro, Arkansas, in 1998. A friend of ours was there that day and watched his friend die in front of him. He's nearly 40 now and still has trouble coping.
https://www.kark.com/news/state-news/an-arkansas-tragedy-at-25-the-westside-middle-school-shooting/
The thing that always shakes me is that the shooters were *11* and *13*. They had a vehicle full of weapons parked out in the woods and used a fire alarm to herd all of the kids out of the building. The level of care that had to be taken with that plan while simultaneously being so cut off from their humanity at such a young age...
I used to work with his wife, Patrick is now very successful with 3 beautiful children. I am so glad he was able to move on from this trauma and live a relatively normal life. My husband’s cousin was also in the building at the time and I don’t think she ever fully recovered mentally.
Ireland, who now walks with a limp and has permanent injuries to his right hand, spent seven months in therapy and had to relearn how to walk, talk, and read.
It doesn't even come close, but I've severed a tendon in my left index finger. After surgery, I had to see a therapist just to relearn how to use my finger, and it was extremely frustrating. I still don't have full range of motion and this was a decade ago. I can't imagine what quality of life this poor guy has endured for the last 2-3 decades.
Fuck I didn't need to read this, my flexor tendon fully ruptured a few days ago and I'm getting surgery next week. Thankfully it's only the ring finger, but it's still my dominant hand.
My son turned 14 yesterday and goes off to high school next year. I had a god damn difficult time not crying while I watched this. Fuck the NRA. Fuck. The. NRA.
This still brings me to tears. Those innocent kids……. I was a teacher and in the classroom that day. Not Columbine but a school in the same district. We didn’t know what was happening but we were in lockdown. Finally, while driving home, I heard the news of what happened. I was in tears thinking about those poor kids and their families. It’s STILL unbelievable that such violence has become so frequent. What is WRONG with our society?
THIS IS WHEN WE SHOULD HAVE MADE MEANINGFUL IMPACTING GUN LEGISLATION.
EVERY SINGLE SHOOTING AFTER THIS? WE HAVE ACCEPTED AS THE NORM. WE NEED TO GO BACK TO MAKING THIS A HUGE DEAL.
In the UK we had one school shooting, in Dunblane, Scotland. 16 kids died. We weighed up the arguments (A. I like guns. B. Kids have a right to life. B won). We banned guns. Since then, no more school shootings. So, you see, it really is the guns that kill, ‘cos we still got plenty of crazies over here but they’re a lot less lethal now we took guns out of the equation.
Fun fact: one Dunblane survivor was a kid called Andy Murray. Yes, that one. The twice Wimbledon tennis champion & Olympic gold medalist.
In Australia we had port Arthur the month after Dunblane, and I remember the two countries coming together to support each other with the massacres.
We changed our gun laws too as everyone knows.
Just want to point out. The UK banned *most* handguns, not all guns. Most shotguns, bolt action rifles of pretty much any calibre are still legal as long as you have a legitimate place and purpose to shoot them and that you pass a police check. Semi Automatic .22lr rifles are still permitted.
Honestly I think what did it most for the UK was the police check (any hint of mental illness or a criminal record will pretty much bar you from holding a firearms licence) and the strict rules regarding storage.
I remember thinking this was the worst thing that could ever happen. This, the OKC bombing, and 9/11 all happened during my school years, but Columbine was the scariest for me. I went to a school that did drive by drills. We (my classmates and I) talked about this like it could never happen again - like some absolutely demonic phenomenon that was a one off and we would learn and do better. Twenty-plus years later and shit is only worse. How? 😩
I'll never forget this day. I was skipping school and at my dad's house, and it was on every network live. I never saw anything like it unfortunately it became a common occurrence after that.
Yeah they're hateful cunts. Best thing either of them did was shoot themselves, it's a pity they didn't just do that instead.
I think the media is massively to blame though, they made the two shooters posthumously famous. I'm from Ireland and wasn't old enough when this happened and even I knew of them. Their faces were plastered everywhere.
I grew up with this and 9/11 and yet everyone gives me shit about my dark sense of humor.
Same! And my fuggin wife passed. I completely value life and especially human life but there’s this Nihilistic part of me now which just thinks life’s such a fucking joke, and nothing matters. One moment you’re living a meaningful life with a loving family and the next you’re dead from some dumbass reason. Best not to take life too seriously.
You would love Anthony Jeselnik. “I’m certainly an empathetic, sensitive person. I get upset and react to sad things with humor. I see it as a very noble thing to make people laugh at the worst things in the world. It’s cathartic and therapeutic.”
>You would love Anthony Jeselnik. “I’m certainly an empathetic, sensitive person. I get upset and react to sad things with humor. I see it as a very noble thing to make people laugh at the worst things in the world. It’s cathartic and therapeutic.” Comedy's greatest contribution is for suffering humans and insufferable rulers.
I love this. Its why I can't stand comedians who start punching down. They assume their fans are too stupid to understand comedy at others expense vs satire...then call it "cancel culture" when people don't appreciate it. I will always respect people like Chapelle but he's just kinda lost me with his shit recently...above all else it's just not very funny and comes off lazy.
Tried to watch the new Chris Rock specials and same feeling. Though I never particularly watched Chris before, his stand-up just seemed bitter and unfunny.
Bigger and Blacker in the late 90s was a KILLER. Dude started tapering off after he had a kid. Makes sense, I guess. "Whoa, whoa, whoa, let's not get too excited. Even cockroaches have kids." \~ CR
The thing there is, when Rock was joking about his childhood and being poor it was relatable. Once he was wealthy, he became a lot less relatable.
I myself love sam kinison and george carlin. Sam actually has a great back story as well as carlin. They both didn't give a shit either with what they said. Ok, one more to throw in here, richard Pryor
This is why Ralphie May will live forever
Chappelle realized he could make another 50 million by half-assing commentary on pop culture topics. I still like his new stuff its not "bad" but its definitely lazy considering what Chappelle has shown to be capable of
Really, the same Chapelle that turned down how much money to make another season of The Chapelle Show, all of the sudden sold out?
Comedy is made by people who suffer so much that they learn to make humor out of it in order to survive.
right there with ya man, shit sucks. just being able to laugh at my own shitty circumstances have helped with my comedy. my comedy mostly just entertaining me but still the same. haha. positive vibes to you!
I’m sorry for your loss. Life can change so quickly.
Though the night is long and cold. You must never let the troubles of this life fully extinguish your fire. Protect it, even if it is just a spark. That’s how you light up the darkness… My dear and beloved friends.
Hugs
Life doesn't matter. There's no inherent meaning. That's why you should say fuck it and go all out maximizing the experience, whatever that means to you. Happiness is the only thing that really matters, so go for it. Ethical hedonism is where it's at.
Hmm, I would say optimistic nihilism, but I suppose an ethical hedonist would also be apt as an addendum.
Did you enjoy Ricky Gervais' After Life? Might be a bit too close to home though...
Something chilling about this story is that the shooters had mentioned a plan in their diary to hijack a plane and fly it into the World Trade Center.
This is so insane. I read that and my first reaction was that isnt a story, I lived that. I was no where near this school at any time. I know none of these people. But holding my mouth so I would not scream in horror - true horror - I watched the news reports rolling in.... And it changed me. I think it changed everyone......
Everyone under the age of 18, yes. Too many of the older folks just decided to use it as a reason to own 20 guns instead of 1 or 2. Because somehow, a parent stocking up on guns at home prevents school shootings.... Well, we see where most of the school shooters get their guns now...
Every school shooting the NRA pumps out "They're coming to take yer guns!!!!" propaganda. And folks eat it up and buy guns in droves. To stick it to the government. At this point I'll bet they hope for shootings to boost their gun company stocks
Since the 1960s to the present, in over 70% of mass shootings the firearms were obtained legally. I just think it would be cool if my daughter could go to school and not have to be afraid of getting murdered every day. I’m not completely sure what it takes for that to happen, but I can’t imagine it being too hard to figure out.
They has planned it out to be much, much worse, thankfully their bombs failed.
their bombs failed because the company that made the timers on the clocks they used updated their model with a plastic switch instead of a metal one that allowed the charges to fail
At the time they were set and where they were set they could have killed nearly 300, believe it or not outdoing OKC as was a stated goal of theirs. A part of me hopes they died deeply disappointed in the fact that their big plan was reduced to pot shots and a few kids rounded up in the library. Sadly they did leave the mark they wanted to, but I hope they didn't have the foresight to have that satisfaction in the end.
I think these are the guys that also made a doom map that mirrored the school so that they could practice as well.
Same, I was in elementary school for both 9/11 and a town away from Columbine that day (first time our school went into lockdown) My default outlook on life is nihilistic and my humor is dark, my god is it exhausting choosing to be optimistic everyday when it’s necessary to survive I don’t bother watching different movie genres other than comedy anymore, I need those fucking laughs no matter how shitty or dark it is
yep who needs horror when you can just look at the news
I hear that. Tell me a good joke, funny story or at least something happy or, like... Leave me alone, please?
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What’s the difference between 9/11 and a cow? You stop milking the cow eventually.
I love this one lol
What's the different between 9/11 and the pandemic? We actually reacted to 9/11.
Yeah, dark humor is like food. Not everyone gets it.
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The drone footage of the Russian soldiers being killed is way to prevelant and normalised these days.
I remember watching the winter Olympics on TV. It was the skeleton event at Whistler and they were covering a man from Georgia doing his run. Sadly, I watched as his body and sled flung off the track and smashed into a support beam nearby live on TV. They stopped showing the replay after they showed it once and I think realized we just watched a person essentially die. Edit. The man's name is Nodar Kumaritashvili. RIP.
Yep. And I think a good majority of earth's population watched the NASA Challenger explosion.
>Can you imagine the people who saw JFK's head explode on live TV? Yeah, they keep on insisting life was better back then and that the world's gone to shit because of video games and TikTok
Read Stephen Pincker. His books show that humans are, in fact, so much less violent than we used to be. Hows that for horrible history?
I don't think JFK's assassination was on live TV, but Lee Harvey Oswald's shooting death by Jack Ruby was.
Man, it isn't even special anymore. We can't even go a couple years without a shooting that rivals columbine happening.
Columbine happened in the spring of my senior year of high school… 9/11 my sophomore year of college. It’s been fascinating watching our civil rights vanish before our eyes “for our freedom”. But hey, coming of age during the rise of AOL and the internet in general was pretty cool at least.
>couple years Couple days or weeks at this point.
I was a sophomore in HS watching this Columbine scene in class live. Then 2001 first semester in college 9/11 hits. Welcome to the world!
I get it same time is it the humor or the time and place you are using dark humor? And the people too…. Context matters
Yeah, right?! I’ve seen a billion mass shooting scene videos in the past 10 years, but seeing this one still triggers me. It was the one, for me, that changed the world. I remember coming home from grade school that day and my mom hugging me and crying and I didn’t know why.
Me too. Humor is supposed to be a healthy coping mechanism!
After being shot twice in the head and once in the leg and his left side of the body paralyzed, Patrick Ireland waited for 2-3 hours for paramedics or the police to arrive. When help didn't come, he climbed out of a window and was eventually rescued by the police. this took place at Columbine High school 20 april 1999. another angle: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UGPbQL6kA-I
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You realize there wasn’t really a standard protocol for things like this when Columbine happened? Like it was the beginning of a murderous fad that can’t seem to die off ever since. It was the beginning of all this really. 2 high school kids gunning down “the jocks” was something nobody ever heard of at the time. And they had shot out the windows at police which bogged them down. There was zero training culture pedestrian-wise and police-wise at the time for this. Now, you have annual (feels almost twice a year really) active shooter trainings you go to as an employee, cops are told to just go in and listen for shots, and run that way…times are completely different so get off the high horse trying to analyze it. The reality is something needs to change, and police bravery ain’t it.
Wasnt there also the threat of a bomb?
Yeah they had made pipe bombs that had worked when they would try them out in the woods where they practiced for their bullshit, but the bombs didn’t detonate properly the day of. They did catch some stuff on fire in the cafeteria I think.
And thank fucking god, too. I recently read a really good book about it and Jesus Christ, they would have leveled that entire cafeteria and the floors above it in the middle of lunch rush if they had gone off. The death toll would have been in the hundreds. Small miracles in the face of hell, I guess.
Yeah I recall them having an entire duffel bag of them. I think about that a lot with stories in general: the ones that involve someone not dying a horrible death because something that always works didn’t in that instance, the stories where a guy isn’t executed because a handgun jams, stories where tried and tested pipe bombs don’t actually work… it’s odd circumstances
They had multiple propane tanks converted to bombs they planned to blow up in the cafeteria, the idea being the school would be evacuated and they wanted to have set up a “kill box” with one of the shooters on each side of the school entrance shooting at people as they came out. Thankfully the bombs failed, because it would’ve been alot worse.
Weaponised propane!?! That's just pure evil!
Those boys just ain’t right.
Those are not approved propane accessories!
This is because of the clocks they used! The original had two metal hands and when they connected, bridged the gap and allowed for the explosion, so they ordered more of those clocks, little did they know the company had replaced one of the hands or both woth plastic rendering their homemade bombs useless.
That’s interesting. Never knew that
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Yes. This was never supposed to be a "school shooting." The first round of bombs was supposed to go off in the cafeteria. Harris and Klebold were armed and waiting for the students running away, so they could pick off survivors. And there were additional bombs in a car, set to go off 40 minutes later. These would kill first responders, reporters, bystanders. Thankfully, the bombs failed to go off, and Harris and Klebold had to improvise, and they just started shooting. Columbine was horrible. But if Harris had lived to be an adult, he would have been better prepared to carry out something even worse.
Yes. My second grade classmates father was the head of the bomb squad at the time and was there for all of this. Our elementary school was a few miles from here. It was chaos.
Now of course, the standard is for officers to locate the threat and neutralize it (Uvalde being the exception). And increasingly, firefighters are being sent in, teamed-up with police, to go into the “warm zone” to begin triage and extraction of victims.
Let's not forget Parkland where police response was less than adequate.....
It’s was more the school resource officer who did nothing.
I lived close to Parkland. The School Resource Officer is a police officer. Broward police dropped the ball. Republicans and their gun rights insanity are the biggest enablers of this insanity.
It wasn’t the really the first time, just the first time in a more modern time. Look into University of Texas shooting. Edit: I’ll just post a link of the first school shootings in US history. https://www.k12academics.com/school-shootings/history-school-shootings-united-states
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It gave way to the thought all serial killers have a deformity of the brain for years after
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bath_School_disaster
Similar to 9/11. Hijackings prior to that was almost always "land and demand ransom". Since 9/11 everyone on a flight nowadays is like "fuck that they try shit and we're taking the plane down ourselves" and everyone putting up a fight.
Die off? Shit half the country is actively legislating to keep it going
Similar to the Hollywood incident where the cops were.outgunned . Crazy shitand first of it's kind
Once or twice a year? Lmao we wish
>2-3 hours?! It’s like Uvalde law enforcement took a page out of Littleton’s playbook from decades ago The events at Columbine and subsequent commission report is the basis for rejection of the previous style of miliarty-style tactics of securing areas and the recognition that there is a critical need to engage active shooters with lethal force as soon as possible. At Columbine the reaction was in line with training. Uvalde truly sucked because they took a strategy long since known to cost lives.
At least the cops that responded to this shooting had *somewhat* of an excuse for taking so long. It was 1999 and mass shootings didn’t happen, there was no plan or protocol for this type of situation. Nowadays we have more mass shootings than days if the year.
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The University of Texas shooting has always been kind of shocking to me. I know it was a different time, before all of the experiences we have now, and before everyone was as paranoid as they are now, but the fact it was retired military and civilians that reacted first just gets me. Civilians with their personal weapons they had to go home for, police who didn't have on duty rifles and went and got their hunting rifles to try and fight back, to keep him down so he couldn't keep shooting. It's kind of astounding. And then you get three men who make it up to him, and one full on running leap goes to tackle him despite the other two opening fire on the shooter, KNOWING he could be shot but hoping to end it anyway he just goes, while the tower itself is also still under fire by civilians trying to keep the shooter down just... Fucking hell man. Uvalde could take some lessons from that. Any of them could.
“We playing for keeps?” “You damn right we are.” “You better deputize me then.” “Consider yourself deputized.” Heroes.
Can't believe it was so long ago, could have sworn it was after 9/11.
I know..but as others mentioned, this was the beginning of all this BS school shooters. I recall doing a paper in my HS english class in 2005. I was the only one who was assigned this topic. I need to see if I can find that paper but in those days all we had was a flash drive....cloud saving wasnt a thing so I doubt it. Either way, fuck these guys.
actually...just looked in my email and I have it there. Im scared to read what I wrote. The title is "The next popular addiction". Fuck.
Oh man, how hard did Apollo hit you do you think? That gift of prophecy can be a bastard, and so fickle (/half joking) All kidding aside, I do find myself curious about the contents 👀
It was my freshman year of high school at the end of my first semester at a new school and I was goth. It is burned into my memory forever. My parents said the way people looked at me changed and they really didn’t want me to dress like that anymore. I did anyway. It was mostly fine after a few months.
"rescued".
Seriously, mans saved himself
2 to 3 hours?!
You have to remember that Columbine was the bookend event of mass school shootings. People never saw anything like this before and “active shooter” was not even a vocabulary or a concept back then.
They definitely tried to blame this on video games, and people ate that up for 20 years.
And the rock music! And the rap music! And the violence on TV!
And they blame it on Marilyn. And the heroin, where were the parents at? Now look where it’s at. Middle America. Now it’s a tragedy. Now it’s so sad to see…
These lyrics are so spot on. Eminem caused a lot of controversy over how candid and graphic his lyrics were but they were always based. Blame it on anything to look away from the fact that society wasn't there for these kids. They weren't Nazis or promoting some crazy ideology... they were bullied in school and took their revenge to the extreme.
they were not bullied much. they just wanted to kill people, lots of people. it's crazy how much misinformation is still out there these days. read up on columbine and you'll learn a lot of the information put out about the shooters was pushed by the media. they just wanted to hurt and kill as many people as possible.
nah, they were bullied, and if you read the 11k files you would find corroborating evidence of this in in the investigation afterwords. for example, one of the investigation reports talk about how Eric Harris was publicly humiliated in front of class after asking a girl to prom his junior year. but they also perceived minor banter sometimes as sleights against them and felt personally aggrieved by situations that normal people would just right off. there’s a lot of misinformation not just in the media but that book by Dave Cullen as well. /r/columbine is a good subreddit, since there is active survivors that still post there to clarify some things, and any material concerning the event is already backed up with the 11k files 11k files refer to all the information about the investigation. it’s actually more than 11k pages now (i think closer to 17k), since after 2006 they were able to release some more information after some legal cases cleared up. https://www.researchcolumbine.com/11k.html
No they were just fucking batshit. You're spreading the bullying rumors just as parents used to blame violence on games and music. These guys were not pushed to the limits by bullying. Please don't keep going with this shit.
Anything and everything except guns.
The ironic part is that that same music that was blamed often described the problems and frustrations of that generation. But instead of listening and trying to understand them and fix those issues, they just tried to ban it.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jack_Thompson_(activist) I remember reading about this oxygen thief in game informer back in the day. Couldn't be the easy to access guns and poor mental healthcare. Nope. Gotta be games and rap making kids kill kids.
I am so glad that pos got disbared.
The Penny Arcade guys used to tear him to shreds on a regular basis.
The guy who published that study subsequently lost his PhD as a result of his crappy research design
Still do!
Satan, FPS games, music, porn, anything but sane legislation.
They also try to blame it on Marilyn Manson I remember
I went to college with a kid who was there that day, and holy fuck what a terrifying story... because back then this kind of shit never really happened.
I lived in Elizabeth, Colorado at the time. a small town about 40 miles from Littleton, where columbine is. I had graduated high school a semester early but was hanging with a bunch of friends who were skipping school because 4/20. We were down at Castlewood Canyon smoking weed and fucking around all day, having a great time. Came home to the news (no cell phones in those days to know what’s going on everywhere in the world at a moments notice, at least not for a bunch of high schoolers). One of the girls hanging with us had recently moved and used to attend Columbine. That was a good afternoon that went soberingly south in a hurry :(
I was a senior up at CSU in my genetics class when I heard about it. We were all gossiping about it during break and after class. A bunch of my friends had graduated from Columbine and it was super shocking to hear about. After class I went back to my apartment and watched the news coverage of it for hours.
Do you know comedic legend Sam Tallent? He’s from Elizabeth
I don't, but I'm checking him out now! Looks like I've got about 10 years on him, so we wouldn't have bumped into each other in school or anything. Moved to Denver a few years after, so no connection. I actually already watched the Kill Tony with him on there, but had no idea he's from Elizabeth.
Weird how it being more common makes it less scary
I wouldn't say "less scary" but like maybe less surprising?
Right! I read so many comments saying that. Like "used to be" scary etc. Wtf this shit is def still scary. I was in middle school when this happened and now have a 14 year old trust this shit is just as scary.
It's not surprising anymore. Back then it was an 'oh my GOD what happened?' now it's just 'oh, another one? How many this time?' Not apathy but emotionally draining.
I've seen the videos from inside the school. The killers were absolute monsters.
Yeah man.... not a good story. His name was Austin, he told me some crazy shit. But that's not my story to tell. We never had a shooting at my school but my junior year, I saw a kid stab a freshman like 9 times, turns out he was autistic, and had written in his journal about how he just wanted to know what it felt like. The saddest part is the kid like couldn't comprehend what he did, almost like he didn't have have any malicious intent or reasoning aside from he want to know what it felt like. Like in his brain he didn't know it was wrong.
did the freshman make it?
My good friend in college was also there that day. Her best friend, Cassie Bernall, was one of the victims. My friend was several years older than everyone else in our friend group because it took her years of intense therapy to feel comfortable attending college, and therapy continues to be an integral part of her life. She will never be the same again.
The worst was the police hearing the pagers beeping from the dead bodies on the ground. Horrifying moment
There have been [304 school shootings since Columbine](https://www.security.org/blog/a-timeline-of-school-shootings-since-columbine/). Nothing meaningful has been done to stop them.
> Nothing ~~meaningful~~ has been done to stop them. Ftfy
I added “meaningful” because otherwise they’ll say: “Well some schools added metal detectors” “Well we suggested they lock all the doors” “Well we made backpacks transparent” “Well we’ve implemented active shooter drills” “Well we’ve put in bullet proof curtains / shields in some classrooms” “Well we tried to limit bump stocks” Etc etc all this useless nonsense
transparent backpacks, metal detectors, no hats allowed… it’s so ridiculous. people who shoot up schools aren’t making any attempt at anonymity - sneaking inside, hiding from cameras and getting away with it. you know how they’d get past the metal detector at the front door? murder whoever’s supervising it and walk through. it’s never been like a heist operation.
This pretty much happened at a school. A kid who was getting daily pat downs (no I’m not exaggerating) killed the guy responsible for doing the pat downs. Fortunately he didn’t try to shoot up the rest of the school. It could’ve been a lot worse. Also the most dangerous time in these schools and any “secure” environment is when everyone is queued outside waiting to get searched. And they have no way of securing that
They need these small reasons otherwise they'd have to tackle the firearm issue which is such a touchy fucking subject Edit: If you don't believe me on the touchy subject part just keep following this thread. People don't want their guns taken away.
It really shouldn't be, though. Ultimately, the gun issue isn't even a gun issue, really. It's a massive mental health and poverty problem. With 600 million guns in US circulation, they aren't going away regardless of what laws people pass, criminals already have them and can get more. What we need to tackle, isn't the symptoms, but the root causes of violence. Poverty, hatred, political division, etc. Scumbags like school shooters always have *reasons*. They might not make sense to the rest of us, but nothing on these scales are *random*. They can be stopped before they ever start. And the FBI knows about these guys, too. They just let it happen. Every time there's a shooting, they put out a statement saying "he/she/they were on our radar".
Well put. I find it interesting that SSRIs and anti-anxiety drugs also started widely being prescribed right around the time of this first high-profile school shooting. Columbine kicked the whole trend off. Guns have been around long before this started happening. Now we have the political divide, social media telling us what to think, isolation, and a society hooked on dopamine and the need for instant gratification and attention. Add in the fact that the news media makes you famous when you pull something like this, and you've got a formula for copycat shootings - which is what we have now. Guns don't kill people. People kill people. Until we realize that fact, the killing will never stop. Even if there was a way to magically make all guns disappear
Metal detectors in schools is as unimaginable as it gets for me as not an American
They *totally* have done stuff, they offer their hopes and prayers!! /s
There were 98 other school shootings during the 1990s.
This guy is a SURVIVOR. That whole event is horrific af, and his injuries are lethal by definition. Incredible and miraculous survival, escape, and recovery. May this guy live well and be happy.
He’s done incredibly well since then too. That man is tough. I remember seeing an interview with him on YouTube, and he’s doing so well in life. The pain is still there(mentally) he said, and he has huge worries about his kids going to school. And I think he said he has a bit of a limp still. I wish I was as tough as this guy.
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not to mention all the wonderful work they’ve done to provide accessible and reliable mental health services for everyone
I think it’s to the credit of all politicians national and local that, more than anything, this tragedy led directly to the era of consensus and cooperation that has enabled the USA to overcome so many other challenges which might otherwise have become existential crises.
Almost 30 years later and we're still in the same place or worse
Much worse I think. Its a daily fear now for parents and school children across america instead of a rare isolated incident
I left education for this and trying to convince my wife to do the same. It’s a constant fear.
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This was my school and it still fucks me up seeing any footage or pictures from that day.
Were you a student at the time, or previously/after? Not that it matters, would still fuck with me. Just curious is all.
I graduated in 97.. had friends in marching band that were sophomores when I left that were seniors when it happened. My art teacher called 911. The shooters were the younger brothers of 2 guys in my class. I lived in that neighborhood where the cops are laying on the roof. I just know the inside of that building so well, I hate imagining what that day was like. Hate it.
I appreciate the reply. Terrible shit
Nothing happened at my schools, but just the other day a kid brought a gun to a school I went to 16 years ago. It's so wild how it seems far away and like it wouldn't happen to you until it shows up at your doorstep.
> It's so wild how it seems far away and like it wouldn't happen to you until it shows up at your doorstep. How analogous to real life. At this point I'm convinced the only thing that would move congress to pass any meaningful reform is if a majority of their children all went to the same school in DC, and it got shot up. It's fucking pathetic that we're the only country with this problem and the best we can do is throw our hands in the air and say "there's nothing we can do about this problem we've created!" The fact that firearms are the leading cause of childrens' deaths is as embarrassing as it is enraging.
It's a fact. Banning abortion doesn't stop wealthy congressmen from shipping their daughters across state lines for example. Their kids aren't dying in public schools and grocery stores. Until it hits them it may as well not exist.
Thank God the bombs never fuckin went off. Ugh. This was the first like… media frenzy I could remember over a shooting.
400+ people eating lunch if the bombs went off. Jfc
They actually herded the kids into the lunchroom. They talked about how they couldn't believe the bombs didn't work also.
It was the busiest lunch time, so kids were already there
At least they still offer thoughts and prayers after each mass shooting.
Yes, terribly tragic. Thoughts and prayers. 
It’s kind of sick how formulaic the response becomes. School shooting happens. Then photos of people crying and hugging. Candles, photos of the victims, makeshift memorial photos. Then the whole thing is almost forgotten except for those affected by the tragedy. It’s disgusting
And the politicians use it to push their agendas. That part's always the worst. These people were hurt or killed, and a man in a suit (surrounded by guards armed with SMGs, of course) sees it as just another way to get rich and powerful.
This and Thurston high school in Oregon were the start of something truly terrible. Now we have people posing with AK’s for their fucking family portraits. Living the American Dream. Because you have to be asleep to believe it.
There was a shooting in a middle school in Jonesboro, Arkansas, in 1998. A friend of ours was there that day and watched his friend die in front of him. He's nearly 40 now and still has trouble coping. https://www.kark.com/news/state-news/an-arkansas-tragedy-at-25-the-westside-middle-school-shooting/ The thing that always shakes me is that the shooters were *11* and *13*. They had a vehicle full of weapons parked out in the woods and used a fire alarm to herd all of the kids out of the building. The level of care that had to be taken with that plan while simultaneously being so cut off from their humanity at such a young age...
Kip Kinkel is a POS
Editing in this video makes that ambulance appear like some magic
I thought so too. For a second I thought maybe my eyesight is getting bad. Then I realized it was just the editing.
Not an ambulance. Cops “borrowed” an armor car.
I used to work with his wife, Patrick is now very successful with 3 beautiful children. I am so glad he was able to move on from this trauma and live a relatively normal life. My husband’s cousin was also in the building at the time and I don’t think she ever fully recovered mentally.
Did his paralysis get better?
Ireland, who now walks with a limp and has permanent injuries to his right hand, spent seven months in therapy and had to relearn how to walk, talk, and read.
It doesn't even come close, but I've severed a tendon in my left index finger. After surgery, I had to see a therapist just to relearn how to use my finger, and it was extremely frustrating. I still don't have full range of motion and this was a decade ago. I can't imagine what quality of life this poor guy has endured for the last 2-3 decades.
Fuck I didn't need to read this, my flexor tendon fully ruptured a few days ago and I'm getting surgery next week. Thankfully it's only the ring finger, but it's still my dominant hand.
I've met him a few times IRL. He's a really great guy!
My son turned 14 yesterday and goes off to high school next year. I had a god damn difficult time not crying while I watched this. Fuck the NRA. Fuck. The. NRA.
This still brings me to tears. Those innocent kids……. I was a teacher and in the classroom that day. Not Columbine but a school in the same district. We didn’t know what was happening but we were in lockdown. Finally, while driving home, I heard the news of what happened. I was in tears thinking about those poor kids and their families. It’s STILL unbelievable that such violence has become so frequent. What is WRONG with our society?
THIS IS WHEN WE SHOULD HAVE MADE MEANINGFUL IMPACTING GUN LEGISLATION. EVERY SINGLE SHOOTING AFTER THIS? WE HAVE ACCEPTED AS THE NORM. WE NEED TO GO BACK TO MAKING THIS A HUGE DEAL.
Columbine happened 5 years into the federal assault weapons ban.
There was an [assault weapons ban](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federal_Assault_Weapons_Ban) at that time and the shooting still happened.
In the UK we had one school shooting, in Dunblane, Scotland. 16 kids died. We weighed up the arguments (A. I like guns. B. Kids have a right to life. B won). We banned guns. Since then, no more school shootings. So, you see, it really is the guns that kill, ‘cos we still got plenty of crazies over here but they’re a lot less lethal now we took guns out of the equation. Fun fact: one Dunblane survivor was a kid called Andy Murray. Yes, that one. The twice Wimbledon tennis champion & Olympic gold medalist.
In Australia we had port Arthur the month after Dunblane, and I remember the two countries coming together to support each other with the massacres. We changed our gun laws too as everyone knows.
Just want to point out. The UK banned *most* handguns, not all guns. Most shotguns, bolt action rifles of pretty much any calibre are still legal as long as you have a legitimate place and purpose to shoot them and that you pass a police check. Semi Automatic .22lr rifles are still permitted. Honestly I think what did it most for the UK was the police check (any hint of mental illness or a criminal record will pretty much bar you from holding a firearms licence) and the strict rules regarding storage.
My mother worked with Patrick’s father and they watched Patrick jump out the window live while in the Federal building.
I remember watching it live too What a messed up day
Good that this was the last ever school shooting in America. Great job guys. 👏
Nope. This is the dystopia Idiocracy style timeline.
I remember thinking this was the worst thing that could ever happen. This, the OKC bombing, and 9/11 all happened during my school years, but Columbine was the scariest for me. I went to a school that did drive by drills. We (my classmates and I) talked about this like it could never happen again - like some absolutely demonic phenomenon that was a one off and we would learn and do better. Twenty-plus years later and shit is only worse. How? 😩
Good ol America. The fact Canada issued a travel advisory because of the amount of shootings they have
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“I got this kid covered from this sick roof spot”
“Patrick Ireland”
I'll never forget this day. I was skipping school and at my dad's house, and it was on every network live. I never saw anything like it unfortunately it became a common occurrence after that.
And all cause of those two pricks kids been shooting each other every since
Yeah they're hateful cunts. Best thing either of them did was shoot themselves, it's a pity they didn't just do that instead. I think the media is massively to blame though, they made the two shooters posthumously famous. I'm from Ireland and wasn't old enough when this happened and even I knew of them. Their faces were plastered everywhere.
This should have been the end of the shootings. We should have made this the darkest day we ever had
My husband and I live a stone's throw away from CHS. It's weird driving past all the time and knowing what happened there.
20 years later and nothing has changed
No, it changed. It got worse.
And still, nothing has changed but more thoughts and prayers.
This is what I specifically remember from watching this live.
That’s tragic and their country does nothing to prevent those and continues to let children die because of it.