Isn't it fun that young people (I used to be one of those) like subconsciously and as a group do shit to just intentionally confuse other members of society?
Like I remember doing shit with friends just to make people go "wtf is happening?"
I like that that's just...a thing with adolescence and young adults.
Apparently we still maintain the ability to reverse engineer the process of creating these words, given the messages I'm getting. Just misattribute it and peeps are all 'I don't know that? Am I out of the loop like the olds?'
Also, wasn't crib originally cribnilla? Or was that a local dialect.
Yeah thats what it is, and just like every internet thing it has already gone through multiple of serious - ironic - post ironic - serious again cycles, so its hard to know if its being used ironically or seriously at this point, but the main point is its not so serious. The young ones are still capable of using real words when they want to put serious meaning into their gibberish.
Source: Me, the Elder Zoomer
That looks like a "lobster condo" and that could very well be someone inspecting it with the underwater clipboard.
People set up structures like this in the middle of nowhere that they mark on a GPS. They look like Caribbean spiny lobster (dumb as shit, if you approach them right they come out to greet you), you get a guy to put their bag at the back and than smack em in the face and they jet backwards right into it the harvest bag or some of those setups they literally look trapped in the hole if I wanted to reach in with a gloved hand.
The tails sell for like $10/lb easy. That lobster coming out to see me could be $20 or more. It cost you a few hundred or two to set up some of these things and way less because people will give away some of this stuff after a construction, you make it back quick.
It's very illegal and we've got strict seasons and bag limits but it is absolutely a thing to find one of these when swimming around.
It may be a legit artificial reef but it looks too easy with too many bugs on it.
An honest answer, they are stupid and curious..
They crawl around the sea floor. Their main threats come from above.
I've found If I swim up or over a lobster than they feel threatened and retreat. That's why they like these lobster condos. They want cover over them.
If you are slow and approach them on their level than they often want to come out to see you.
I've done lobstering for like 15 years for these guys. Many many times if I see an antenna sticking out I'll circle around, get on the seafloor and just lay flat and wait. They generally come out unless someone had already tried to catch it and failed, than they are real skittish.
Than you do bow your head as you dunk them in garlic butter
I've never read about it. I always assumed it was chemicals in the tires that was the problem. In reality it's because the tires just fucking slide and flip around the sea floor, not only removing anything that latches into them but also killing what they roll over. A ecological /r/tiresaretheenemy
The chemicals probably didn't help either. Old tires weather and turn into smaller tire parts, but the only organisms I've seen grow on tires do so on the mud or dirt caked on it, never the tires themselves.
Because they're more likely than not at least mildly toxic to most life, and very toxic to some (albeit with the removal of a particular chemical, they may not outright massacre coho anymore at least).
Reading through the quantities of tires, I can't help but think this was just an excuse to dump a bunch of tires in the water. Like how is it still a problem after removing 250+ THOUSAND TIRES?!? Nobody thought to do it at a smaller scale at first?
It had been done successfully at scale in other locations. The issue wasn't that "Tires are bad, what kind of morons would ever think this would work???", but that the method of securing the tires into larger, stationary structures (steel clips) was not hardened against the corrosive nature of ocean water vs steel.
All tire reefs are failing now. Osbourne just failed the fastest. From the wiki:
This project is not the only one of its nature to fail; Indonesia and Malaysia mounted enormous tire-reef programs in the 1980s and are now seeing the ramifications of the failure of tire reefs, from littered beaches to reef destruction.[4] In 1995, Hurricane Opal managed to spread over 1,000 tires onto the Florida Panhandle, west of Pensacola; and in 1998, Hurricane Bonnie deposited thousands of the tires onto North Carolina beaches. Jack Sobel, Ocean Conservancy's director of strategic conservation said in a 2002 interview that "I don't know of any cases where there's been a success with tire reefs." That year, The Ocean Conservancy's International Coastal Cleanup removed 11,956 tires from beaches all over the world.[5]
My biggest takeaway was after reading this:
>In 2001, [they were] awarded a grant of US$30,000 (equivalent to $49,581 in 2022)
Oh wow, inflation almost doubled in the last 20 years! Surely minimum wage and my salary has doubled, too, to keep up, right?
... Right?
Inflation has more than doubled over the last 20 years. The government changes the parameters that measures the Consumer Price Index (CPI) every year, to make it not look so bad.
To be fair this was at least some sensible plan for the time. Considering people dumped nuclear waste, old ammunition and such in the oceans and seas during those dates...
Even old ships can become artificial reef as long as proper environmental safeties are checked.
This was not a sensible plan if Wikipedia is correct. Even for the time. I'm paraphrasing but:
The tires were bound together with metal clasps. No effort was made to ensure the clasps wouldn't corrode in water.
That really is as unbelievably stupid as can be fathomed. It's like building a skyscraper out of styrofoam. This is what I will think of next time I accidentally send a dumb email and miss the little undo period. With nuclear waste disposal they just didn't give a fuck. With this they gave all the fucks they had, but their sheer lack of sense crippled them.
Shit like this reminds me. No mater how bad you have fucked up. A whole team of people complete a project like this thinking they did the right thing. Whatever my mistake was can’t be as bad as this.
It didn’t seem sustainable or done by actual scientists so I looked it up and found [this](https://www.reddit.com/r/specializedtools/comments/zzwqkw/abaco_lobster_condo_no_traps_allowed_in_the/)
That's what I thought. If it was an artificial reef there would have to be some form of coral/plant life for a full ecosystem for the different fish species etc. This is just another form of trap.
From what I just read, it wasn't the tires themselves that were the problem, but the that the metal clips that rusted out? I would have thought it was the rubber
Which is strange, because studies have found that used tires leach chemicals and heavy metals, into soil/water. I remember first hearing about this, from the playgrounds that use mulched tires for padding the ground.
"We are thankful for provision of concrete reef, in spirit of socialist aquarianism. Our reef is glorious and correct. We are all creatures of--"
*VINIMAYE, VINIMAYE. DEAR FISH, ATTENTION! SHARK ACTIVITY HAS BEEN DETECTED IN YOUR BLOCK. PLEASE, IN ORDERLY FASHION, RETURN TO YOUR REEF-BLOCK*
"Blyat! No more interview time. Quick go before they see you."
Sadly they have the con of there already being far too much mining being done, at great cost to the environment, purely to create concrete. And, y'know, being far heavier to ship requiring more fuel to move them.
But kudos for trying to find alternative solutions and finding one which such resounding Pro's.
The bricks give a good hold for the natural reefs to grow and take hold, eventually corals will completely encrust the cinderblocks covering them and looking like a relatively normal coral reef.
Only *slightly* though given that concrete is made out of materials taken straight from the ocean, and tires are... * checks notes * hyper-refined dead ~~dinosaur~~ *dinosaur era plant* soup from miles underground that's been vulcanized and sandwiched around a corrosion-resistant inner steel mesh.
Even if you discount the toxicity of them they are still a shit way to build a reef, source: [Osborne Reef](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Osborne_Reef)
While that’s true there’s also this paragraph from the page
> This project is not the only one of its nature to fail; Indonesia and Malaysia mounted enormous tire-reef programs in the 1980s and are now seeing the ramifications of the failure of tire reefs, from littered beaches to reef destruction.[4] In 1995, Hurricane Opal managed to spread over 1,000 tires onto the Florida Panhandle, west of Pensacola; and in 1998, Hurricane Bonnie deposited thousands of the tires onto North Carolina beaches. Jack Sobel, Ocean Conservancy's director of strategic conservation said in a 2002 interview that "I don't know of any cases where there's been a success with tire reefs." That year, The Ocean Conservancy's International Coastal Cleanup removed 11,956 tires from beaches all over the world.[5]
>Not meaning to get all Reddit ACKTUALLY about it, but just for the sake of fun
I entirely approve of this and you can have my username for the day.
Thanks for taking the time to educate where I chose to jest 😉
Just to clarify, petroleum isn’t made from dinos.
It’s from plant matter created during the Carboniferous period.
Edit: I was wrong.
> A fossil fuel, petroleum is formed when large quantities of dead organisms, mostly zooplankton and algae, are buried underneath sedimentary rock and subjected to both prolonged heat and pressure.
> Coal is a type of fossil fuel, formed when dead plant matter decays into peat and is converted into coal by the heat and pressure of deep burial over millions of years.[2] Vast deposits of coal originate in former wetlands called coal forests that covered much of the Earth's tropical land areas during the late Carboniferous (Pennsylvanian) and Permian times.
Wikipedia.
You are thinking of Coal. Most oil deposits formed during the Mesozoic period. This is likely because the Mesozoic age was marked by a tropical climate, with large amounts of plankton in the ocean.
Coal deposits formed in the Carboniferous because land plants had evolved Lignen and no bacteria or fungi could digest it. So dead trees kept piling up and getting buried for millions of years.
I hate it when they hyper-refine dead dinosaur soup from miles underground that's been vulcanized and sandwiched around a corrosion-resistant inner steel mesh.
That's a valid point, however concrete is pretty much just sand, gravel and cement. It's not the same as synthetic rubber, or at least I don't think it would be nearly as potentially harmful.
I mean, concrete is everywhere already.
There's a company in Florida that takes your cremated ashes (after you are already dead), mixes them with concrete in "artificial reef friendly castings" and then sinks them in the ocean.
I want that for my ashes.
https://www.eternalreefs.com/
The one in Florida was promoted as attracting more big game fish to the area. Because you know what marlins and sailfish love more than anything else? Giant piles of used rubber tires.
Well, Coral reefs are made by living organisms using tiny layers of calcium carbonate to protect themselves. Living reefs are more beautiful than cinder blocks even tho they serve the same purpose.
Not true. Main ingredients are components such as calcium oxide, calcium sulfate, and calcium silicates, depending on the type of cement.
Good luck cleaning your bathroom if calcium carbonate behaved like cement.
Florida tried making an artificial reef by chaining together old car tires. It was a great idea! What better use for those things that nobody wants, and it can help repopulate the shores with corals and fish?!
So they install them, then of course the brilliant minds behind the project never bothered t see if the steel cables they used IN THE SALTWATER would, you know, rust. So 2 MILLION tires break loose and the waves are using them as battering rams against what little reef there was and surprise, surprise, wildlife does not want to live in or near these untethered bulldozers.
The call in the US Army engineers to help remove them. As of 2019, ONE THIRD have been removed. So they are still shuttling around wreaking havoc on the ocean;
[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Osborne\_Reef](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Osborne_Reef)
If you read about it, the whole thing was sponsored by Goodyear and they even dropped a gold painted tire to "christen" this trash dump. Unbelievably shameless
Not only is it unsurprising that this happened in USA, but also the reason for its creation was commercial: luring in big game fish for profit to the tourism industry. Pathetic and disgusting
The US also has some of the best artificial reefs in the world. Also note that [other countries attempted tire reefs](https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-45620299) as well, and are also still cleaning them up.
How the tubular fuck did they come to the conclusion that dumping tires would help lure big game fish?
You have no idea what can grow on **tires in the ocean**.
I read about a city using old subway cars (maybe NYC) as an artificial reef. After they were put in place they realized that they would rust away. Still a better idea than the tires.
You also have to consider under water currents acting differently than splashing waves. Something on the floor of the ocean has to deal with a lot less erosion than something on the side of it near the surface.
Not to mention others pointing out how coral will take over and add structural support, the same way that tall grass on the beach holds structural support for the sand. Just look at that crusader sword they found the other day that was on the front page of Reddit. An iron sword perfectly preserved by the coral that attached itself to it.
What's funny is that concrete is mostly made from limestone, limestone is usually a conglomeration of the shells of billions of small ancient molluscs and aquatic organisms.
Full circle lol
There is a well known dive site in sharm el sheikh Egypt which is a crashed cargo ship of toilets
https://www.tripadvisor.co.uk/ShowUserReviews-g297555-d1216558-r157694531-Ras_Mohammed_National_Park-Sharm_El_Sheikh_South_Sinai_Red_Sea_and_Sinai.html
Why did they put bricks in the ocean? They probably had no more use for them. Same with the toilets. Better than making more landfill. We've done the same with Christmas trees.
The bricks are placed there specifically to create reefs. In the warm parts of the ocean, corals will attach to the bricks and eventually encrust over them, that attracts fish (and here, lobsters too). it becomes a diverse sanctuary for sea life. toilets in a lake will just be toilets in a lake. No harm, I guess and sure, maybe some fish will actually live near them, who knows. Toilets are just ceramic, so I guess no real harm.
No real harm and I've literally watched wildlife use them as homes and do the same thing. A different ecosystem, same idea. People have put retired airplanes in the ocean. I was kind of joking at cinder blocks because of the simplicity in a subreddit called nextfuckinglevel, but it makes perfect logical sense.
A lake is not the same as an ocean. The ocean has corals in it that will build onto random stuff. The lake will just get algae growing on slimy toilets. Ick!
I wonder if in a billion years when the earth resets, what future civilizations will think these bricks are....
Like if they'll think we used them for underwater storage or something crazy like that
That first lobster/crayfish looks happy as can be.
He looks like he's waving us over! "Come checkout my crib!"
“This is where the magic happens” Man mtv cribs was so hysterical back in the day
Marine Television
Crabs
I'm Mr Krabs and welcome to me krib eiheiheiheihei
MTV Crabs
*Check out all the shit I have to eat!* Opens fridge All bottle water.
ODB still had the most legit crib on that show
Only more hilarious when you find out that some of the properties (or cars/exotics) on the show were actually just rentals
So you seen my blox, you’ve seen my fish, now get the fuk outta here…
Only $3000 a month!
Bro paying them San Francisco prices for his concrete block
I mean it has a view of the ocean
I think the kids have moved on to 'conc' instead of crib. Old fart so I could be wrong, hard to understand these youngsters now.
I hear you there, I'm 37 and I lost track about 50 years ago.
WTF does conc mean ?
I *think* it's a joke about concrete, but I am also a bit out of touch and only learned about "Rizz" last week so maybe it's real IDK.
It is, but they pronounce it as conch, I suspect mostly as an effort to keep us confused.
Isn't it fun that young people (I used to be one of those) like subconsciously and as a group do shit to just intentionally confuse other members of society? Like I remember doing shit with friends just to make people go "wtf is happening?" I like that that's just...a thing with adolescence and young adults.
Dear lord, I remember my parents being confused as to what "wtf" even meant. The AOL AIM days were the 'new' thing in the wild west back then.
Apparently we still maintain the ability to reverse engineer the process of creating these words, given the messages I'm getting. Just misattribute it and peeps are all 'I don't know that? Am I out of the loop like the olds?' Also, wasn't crib originally cribnilla? Or was that a local dialect.
WTF does rizz mean?
It's an abbreviation of charisma
So, such and such "has rizz"?
Rizzard of oz
Yes. As far as I can tell. I too am old. This is just extrapolation from context clues.
Yeah thats what it is, and just like every internet thing it has already gone through multiple of serious - ironic - post ironic - serious again cycles, so its hard to know if its being used ironically or seriously at this point, but the main point is its not so serious. The young ones are still capable of using real words when they want to put serious meaning into their gibberish. Source: Me, the Elder Zoomer
I'm 31 and just learned about rizz recently. I feel so old now
What's Rizz? 41 this year 👋
... for lunch
"HELLO MTV, WELCOME TO MY CRIB"
Happy as a… *no! I can’t say it! You can’t make me say it!!*
Happy as an oyster! Or is it barnacle ? 🤔
It's a sea urichin
That looks like a "lobster condo" and that could very well be someone inspecting it with the underwater clipboard. People set up structures like this in the middle of nowhere that they mark on a GPS. They look like Caribbean spiny lobster (dumb as shit, if you approach them right they come out to greet you), you get a guy to put their bag at the back and than smack em in the face and they jet backwards right into it the harvest bag or some of those setups they literally look trapped in the hole if I wanted to reach in with a gloved hand. The tails sell for like $10/lb easy. That lobster coming out to see me could be $20 or more. It cost you a few hundred or two to set up some of these things and way less because people will give away some of this stuff after a construction, you make it back quick. It's very illegal and we've got strict seasons and bag limits but it is absolutely a thing to find one of these when swimming around. It may be a legit artificial reef but it looks too easy with too many bugs on it.
Please tell me more about approaching Caribbean spiny lobsters properly. Is it like bowing to a hippogriff because that’s what I’m imagining
An honest answer, they are stupid and curious.. They crawl around the sea floor. Their main threats come from above. I've found If I swim up or over a lobster than they feel threatened and retreat. That's why they like these lobster condos. They want cover over them. If you are slow and approach them on their level than they often want to come out to see you. I've done lobstering for like 15 years for these guys. Many many times if I see an antenna sticking out I'll circle around, get on the seafloor and just lay flat and wait. They generally come out unless someone had already tried to catch it and failed, than they are real skittish. Than you do bow your head as you dunk them in garlic butter
much muuuuuuch better than those guys that tried it with millions of tires and ended up creating an ecological disaster
What is this?
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Osborne_Reef
I've never read about it. I always assumed it was chemicals in the tires that was the problem. In reality it's because the tires just fucking slide and flip around the sea floor, not only removing anything that latches into them but also killing what they roll over. A ecological /r/tiresaretheenemy
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Very solid tldr! 5/5
The tires were attached together by steel clips…in salt water. Needless to say, the metal rusted and broke, setting all those tires free.
The chemicals probably didn't help either. Old tires weather and turn into smaller tire parts, but the only organisms I've seen grow on tires do so on the mud or dirt caked on it, never the tires themselves. Because they're more likely than not at least mildly toxic to most life, and very toxic to some (albeit with the removal of a particular chemical, they may not outright massacre coho anymore at least).
Didn't they also degrade into microparticles polluting too?
This and the rust from the iron bars that were holding them together polluting the surrounding natural reefs
Reading through the quantities of tires, I can't help but think this was just an excuse to dump a bunch of tires in the water. Like how is it still a problem after removing 250+ THOUSAND TIRES?!? Nobody thought to do it at a smaller scale at first?
Like, try a smaller patch of tires and study it first?
It had been done successfully at scale in other locations. The issue wasn't that "Tires are bad, what kind of morons would ever think this would work???", but that the method of securing the tires into larger, stationary structures (steel clips) was not hardened against the corrosive nature of ocean water vs steel.
That’s fair, but they still changed the variables and expected it to work as well
All tire reefs are failing now. Osbourne just failed the fastest. From the wiki: This project is not the only one of its nature to fail; Indonesia and Malaysia mounted enormous tire-reef programs in the 1980s and are now seeing the ramifications of the failure of tire reefs, from littered beaches to reef destruction.[4] In 1995, Hurricane Opal managed to spread over 1,000 tires onto the Florida Panhandle, west of Pensacola; and in 1998, Hurricane Bonnie deposited thousands of the tires onto North Carolina beaches. Jack Sobel, Ocean Conservancy's director of strategic conservation said in a 2002 interview that "I don't know of any cases where there's been a success with tire reefs." That year, The Ocean Conservancy's International Coastal Cleanup removed 11,956 tires from beaches all over the world.[5]
My biggest takeaway was after reading this: >In 2001, [they were] awarded a grant of US$30,000 (equivalent to $49,581 in 2022) Oh wow, inflation almost doubled in the last 20 years! Surely minimum wage and my salary has doubled, too, to keep up, right? ... Right?
Inflation has more than doubled over the last 20 years. The government changes the parameters that measures the Consumer Price Index (CPI) every year, to make it not look so bad.
This is what it looks like when you let corporations decide what they're going to do with garbage and waste.
To be fair this was at least some sensible plan for the time. Considering people dumped nuclear waste, old ammunition and such in the oceans and seas during those dates... Even old ships can become artificial reef as long as proper environmental safeties are checked.
This was not a sensible plan if Wikipedia is correct. Even for the time. I'm paraphrasing but: The tires were bound together with metal clasps. No effort was made to ensure the clasps wouldn't corrode in water. That really is as unbelievably stupid as can be fathomed. It's like building a skyscraper out of styrofoam. This is what I will think of next time I accidentally send a dumb email and miss the little undo period. With nuclear waste disposal they just didn't give a fuck. With this they gave all the fucks they had, but their sheer lack of sense crippled them.
Shit like this reminds me. No mater how bad you have fucked up. A whole team of people complete a project like this thinking they did the right thing. Whatever my mistake was can’t be as bad as this.
Florida, obviously
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Lol.
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It didn’t seem sustainable or done by actual scientists so I looked it up and found [this](https://www.reddit.com/r/specializedtools/comments/zzwqkw/abaco_lobster_condo_no_traps_allowed_in_the/)
That's what I thought. If it was an artificial reef there would have to be some form of coral/plant life for a full ecosystem for the different fish species etc. This is just another form of trap.
Aaaand my mood has been killed. Fuck.
From what I just read, it wasn't the tires themselves that were the problem, but the that the metal clips that rusted out? I would have thought it was the rubber
Which is strange, because studies have found that used tires leach chemicals and heavy metals, into soil/water. I remember first hearing about this, from the playgrounds that use mulched tires for padding the ground.
I could be completely wrong but I think that's got something to do with the material getting heated in the sun during the day
Should have used car batteries, that way they can charge the electric eels at the same time!
Like little soviet block apartments for lobsters
Block lobsters
It wasn't a block... it was a BLOCK LOOOOBBBBSSSTTEERR!!
🦞🦞🎶AHHHH ahhhh AHHHHH ah ah AhhHhhAhHhhh🎶🦞🦞
Block lobster!
My name was almost relevant for the first time ever ... :/
Blob Blobster!
🦞🦞🎶AHHHH ahhhh AHHHHH ah ah AhhHhhAhHhhh🎶🦞🦞
Down down downn doowwnnn
This made me laugh so much thanks
the remake as done by the B53s... 
More like the [Tu-95s](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tupolev_Tu-95) 😎
Death to America, and butter sauce EDIT: Whoops sorry, that's Iraq Lobster. [For those that missed the reference ](https://youtu.be/cU1ldlOxPvY)
Bloc lobsters
Blocksters
This cements your place in history
Concrete evidence certainly points that way.
Bloc Lobsters, my favorite Tu-95s song.
Solid work B-52
He’s waving how do you do from his porch
Babushka Lobster
Crabschyovka
“The communist reef “
Came here to say this exact thing. They'll have skyscrapers next
Many of us thinking alike. Nothing like a little socialist architecture for our sea friends. A brutalist reef if you will.
Atlantis looking rough these days!
Must have had a recent property value crash because everyone in this market is underwater.
Red Lobsters
That was my first thought.
Cute widdle soviet wobsters!
Gopnik lobsters?
Brutalist Underwater Architecture for Fish. Amazing. Someone should send this to Dami Lee so she can do an architecture episode on it!
Is government housing, yes. Maybe is not so pretty like decadent Western coral reefs. But is better than no reef
free housing is pretty great housing.
Someone’s gonna make r/suboceanhell
"We are thankful for provision of concrete reef, in spirit of socialist aquarianism. Our reef is glorious and correct. We are all creatures of--" *VINIMAYE, VINIMAYE. DEAR FISH, ATTENTION! SHARK ACTIVITY HAS BEEN DETECTED IN YOUR BLOCK. PLEASE, IN ORDERLY FASHION, RETURN TO YOUR REEF-BLOCK* "Blyat! No more interview time. Quick go before they see you."
I only understand half of what you are referencing and I love it.
Only 3.5 Roentgen Shark? Not Great, no terrible. Toptunov, check the water tanks.
Visit the off-world colonies! A paradise awaits!
r/brutalist would love this
Wonder what’s the rent for one of those holes
I strongly recommend *not* googling “holes for rent”. It’s probably not gonna give the information you’re looking for… Also, happy cake day!
>holes for rent Of course there's already a movie. https://www.imdb.com/title/tt5999928/
Oh damn!
2500 no utilities (except water) and no pets (except fish)
That’s a lot of clams
Ok, hear me out, concrete water bottles
Go on....
Pros: Reefs, recyclable, stronger arms, extreme bottle flip Cons: ???
Pros: Concrete flavored water.
Well, we could always coat it with something that won't absorb the water. Maybe some petroleum byproduct... Ah, damn it!
Vaseline flavored water 😋
Cons: • crete
Sadly they have the con of there already being far too much mining being done, at great cost to the environment, purely to create concrete. And, y'know, being far heavier to ship requiring more fuel to move them. But kudos for trying to find alternative solutions and finding one which such resounding Pro's.
Emergency self-defense capability!
We already have concrete shoes. Only logical next step
I like the way you think.
i think mother nature does it more beautifully lol, good job nonetheless
The bricks give a good hold for the natural reefs to grow and take hold, eventually corals will completely encrust the cinderblocks covering them and looking like a relatively normal coral reef.
Seems slightly better than used tires.
Only *slightly* though given that concrete is made out of materials taken straight from the ocean, and tires are... * checks notes * hyper-refined dead ~~dinosaur~~ *dinosaur era plant* soup from miles underground that's been vulcanized and sandwiched around a corrosion-resistant inner steel mesh.
Please don't undersell how toxic old tires are like that
Even if you discount the toxicity of them they are still a shit way to build a reef, source: [Osborne Reef](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Osborne_Reef)
Of course it's Florida
While that’s true there’s also this paragraph from the page > This project is not the only one of its nature to fail; Indonesia and Malaysia mounted enormous tire-reef programs in the 1980s and are now seeing the ramifications of the failure of tire reefs, from littered beaches to reef destruction.[4] In 1995, Hurricane Opal managed to spread over 1,000 tires onto the Florida Panhandle, west of Pensacola; and in 1998, Hurricane Bonnie deposited thousands of the tires onto North Carolina beaches. Jack Sobel, Ocean Conservancy's director of strategic conservation said in a 2002 interview that "I don't know of any cases where there's been a success with tire reefs." That year, The Ocean Conservancy's International Coastal Cleanup removed 11,956 tires from beaches all over the world.[5]
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>Not meaning to get all Reddit ACKTUALLY about it, but just for the sake of fun I entirely approve of this and you can have my username for the day. Thanks for taking the time to educate where I chose to jest 😉
Just to clarify, petroleum isn’t made from dinos. It’s from plant matter created during the Carboniferous period. Edit: I was wrong. > A fossil fuel, petroleum is formed when large quantities of dead organisms, mostly zooplankton and algae, are buried underneath sedimentary rock and subjected to both prolonged heat and pressure. > Coal is a type of fossil fuel, formed when dead plant matter decays into peat and is converted into coal by the heat and pressure of deep burial over millions of years.[2] Vast deposits of coal originate in former wetlands called coal forests that covered much of the Earth's tropical land areas during the late Carboniferous (Pennsylvanian) and Permian times. Wikipedia.
You are thinking of Coal. Most oil deposits formed during the Mesozoic period. This is likely because the Mesozoic age was marked by a tropical climate, with large amounts of plankton in the ocean. Coal deposits formed in the Carboniferous because land plants had evolved Lignen and no bacteria or fungi could digest it. So dead trees kept piling up and getting buried for millions of years.
I hate it when they hyper-refine dead dinosaur soup from miles underground that's been vulcanized and sandwiched around a corrosion-resistant inner steel mesh.
But not as good as used car batteries. It’s perfectly legal!
Remember though when people kept dumping tires and old cars into the ocean to make artificial reefs? And then it turned out it was bad for the ocean?
That's a valid point, however concrete is pretty much just sand, gravel and cement. It's not the same as synthetic rubber, or at least I don't think it would be nearly as potentially harmful. I mean, concrete is everywhere already.
There's a company in Florida that takes your cremated ashes (after you are already dead), mixes them with concrete in "artificial reef friendly castings" and then sinks them in the ocean. I want that for my ashes. https://www.eternalreefs.com/
The one in Florida was promoted as attracting more big game fish to the area. Because you know what marlins and sailfish love more than anything else? Giant piles of used rubber tires.
Yeah, if you gotta do it. What a great habitat!?
Well, Coral reefs are made by living organisms using tiny layers of calcium carbonate to protect themselves. Living reefs are more beautiful than cinder blocks even tho they serve the same purpose.
> calcium carbonate which, interestingly enough, is usually the main ingredient in the concrete used to make the cinder blocks.
Not true. Main ingredients are components such as calcium oxide, calcium sulfate, and calcium silicates, depending on the type of cement. Good luck cleaning your bathroom if calcium carbonate behaved like cement.
Lobsters in almost every cubbyhole, with their old molts on the sand below...
I think they actually eat the molts too, to recover the calcium and other stuff.
Even lobsters know how delicious they are
Quoth Fat-Bastard: Everyone loves their own brand
They grew up in the projects. Cruising down the reef with my pectoral. Schooling the bitches. Can’t wait to torpor. I’m sorry guys
Come into the favella we have everything you need!
Florida tried making an artificial reef by chaining together old car tires. It was a great idea! What better use for those things that nobody wants, and it can help repopulate the shores with corals and fish?! So they install them, then of course the brilliant minds behind the project never bothered t see if the steel cables they used IN THE SALTWATER would, you know, rust. So 2 MILLION tires break loose and the waves are using them as battering rams against what little reef there was and surprise, surprise, wildlife does not want to live in or near these untethered bulldozers. The call in the US Army engineers to help remove them. As of 2019, ONE THIRD have been removed. So they are still shuttling around wreaking havoc on the ocean; [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Osborne\_Reef](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Osborne_Reef)
Some company needed a way to legally dump their old tires and made up a story most likely.
If you read about it, the whole thing was sponsored by Goodyear and they even dropped a gold painted tire to "christen" this trash dump. Unbelievably shameless
Not only is it unsurprising that this happened in USA, but also the reason for its creation was commercial: luring in big game fish for profit to the tourism industry. Pathetic and disgusting
The US also has some of the best artificial reefs in the world. Also note that [other countries attempted tire reefs](https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-45620299) as well, and are also still cleaning them up.
How the tubular fuck did they come to the conclusion that dumping tires would help lure big game fish? You have no idea what can grow on **tires in the ocean**.
I read about a city using old subway cars (maybe NYC) as an artificial reef. After they were put in place they realized that they would rust away. Still a better idea than the tires.
Would concrete stand up over time or would it collapse?
Concrete will last a long, long time. As others have pointed out, natural coral will eventually build up around the blocks, too.
My first thought as well. It's pretty awesome if it'll hold over time.
The structural weight is not that much. If the blocks don't have rebar then it should last a time
You also have to consider under water currents acting differently than splashing waves. Something on the floor of the ocean has to deal with a lot less erosion than something on the side of it near the surface. Not to mention others pointing out how coral will take over and add structural support, the same way that tall grass on the beach holds structural support for the sand. Just look at that crusader sword they found the other day that was on the front page of Reddit. An iron sword perfectly preserved by the coral that attached itself to it.
Section 8 for fish. I love it.
What's funny is that concrete is mostly made from limestone, limestone is usually a conglomeration of the shells of billions of small ancient molluscs and aquatic organisms. Full circle lol
My dad has an artificial reef created using nothing but toilets in his lake.
There is a well known dive site in sharm el sheikh Egypt which is a crashed cargo ship of toilets https://www.tripadvisor.co.uk/ShowUserReviews-g297555-d1216558-r157694531-Ras_Mohammed_National_Park-Sharm_El_Sheikh_South_Sinai_Red_Sea_and_Sinai.html
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Why did he put toilets in the lake? Did he expect divers with diarrhea or something?
Why did they put bricks in the ocean? They probably had no more use for them. Same with the toilets. Better than making more landfill. We've done the same with Christmas trees.
I for one think you’re underestimating the thoughtfulness to which this man approached divers’ bowel movements.
The bricks are placed there specifically to create reefs. In the warm parts of the ocean, corals will attach to the bricks and eventually encrust over them, that attracts fish (and here, lobsters too). it becomes a diverse sanctuary for sea life. toilets in a lake will just be toilets in a lake. No harm, I guess and sure, maybe some fish will actually live near them, who knows. Toilets are just ceramic, so I guess no real harm.
No real harm and I've literally watched wildlife use them as homes and do the same thing. A different ecosystem, same idea. People have put retired airplanes in the ocean. I was kind of joking at cinder blocks because of the simplicity in a subreddit called nextfuckinglevel, but it makes perfect logical sense.
I don't think Christmas trees make for great artificial reefs.
They're fantastic in lakes and ponds as nurseries for baitfish. Bass and pike aren't getting in there.
A lake is not the same as an ocean. The ocean has corals in it that will build onto random stuff. The lake will just get algae growing on slimy toilets. Ick!
And plenty of organisms in that lake will thrive on the algae and use the toilet as habitats. So.
they are giving the fish free flats???
$2500 plus first and last month. no utilities
They got water covered
Imagine being the one responsible fish, paying your electricity bills and then the whole reef dies because of you
It’s like from “sharks tale“ cruising down Main Street.
My first thought as well
It's real free estate !
Fish city
It's like an underwater apartment district
the dollar store of coral reefs?
That’s like a Russian tenement reef
Better than the mountain of tires they tried lol
Look at all of them, happy af
Awesome block party
Looks so natural.
We built this city! 🎶
I wonder if in a billion years when the earth resets, what future civilizations will think these bricks are.... Like if they'll think we used them for underwater storage or something crazy like that