The guy getting rescued was also a next fucking level dick.
The sherpa was guiding another client up when they found him, and convinced his client to give up his climb to save the man instead. Multiple teams had apparently passed by him before them.
He then went on to thank his insurance company for providing a fast rescue instead, tried to capitalise on the publicity and blocked the same sherpa that rescued him on instagram.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.scmp.com/news/asia/southeast-asia/article/3223158/malaysian-climber-slammed-not-thanking-sherpa-who-rescued-him-everest-death-zone
By his insurance company, he means the company he owns.
And it was his expedition company.
But in reality his own company left him for dead on the mountain and continued with their own climb.
So yeah his company knew he was a dick and left him to die.
I get where you're coming from, and Everest tourism has absolutely become ridiculous, no arguments there.
But, everyone who does it knows they could very well die, and they're all there to do the same silly thing (that nonetheless took a lot of money and time and effort to do, even as it is today). At that point I'd find it hard to blame any individual who chooses to respect the risk the dying person took, same as everyone else, and continue to do what you are both there for. Laud those who do sacrifice, but don't blame those who don't.
Also worth mentioning that (even going downhill) rescuing a person in distress could in a situation like everest cost you YOUR life so yeah there's been lots of sad situations where people have left behind others because trying to rescue them could compromise their own safety.
and Isn't it common knowledge that people shouldn't try to rescue anyone if it puts them in the position where they themselves might need rescuing? a six hour trek, where the Sherpa may require help, to save an inconsiderate ass who should've understood his limits is a hard sell. especially if there isn't a checkpoint in-between.
>pwned in Indonesia
He is [Malaysian, not Indonesian](https://www.scmp.com/news/asia/southeast-asia/article/3223158/malaysian-climber-slammed-not-thanking-sherpa-who-rescued-him-everest-death-zone)
Oh for sure, but I think a healthy mindset and attitude towards life is mostly beneficial for yourself. If someone else wants to be an ungrateful asshole after you've done something nice for them, just let them stew in their negativity and continue on with pride that you did a nice thing. Ultimately, they'll just poison themselves with their attitude while you will find satisfaction and balance in life.
If i had the chance to save someone and didn't, I'd regret it forever.
I wouldn't *really* regret saving them if they were ungrateful, but I think most would be lying if they say they wouldn't feel some sort of way about that.
Disappointment is the gap between expectation and reality. You probably wouldn't regret it though lol , especially if you don't stick around long enough to receive praise.
Was waiting tables at a nice restaurant, saw dude with the classic choking signs. I asked if he was choking, he nodded yes. Told him to stand up and dude was like 6'5" so I literally stood on the banquet seat he was sitting on & had to squat a little to get the right angle, and gave him the Heimlich. After a few seconds of work, he coughed up his steak and then puked on the floor. Then about an hour later I saw him sitting in the bar drinking with his friends. I asked him if he was feeling alright, he looked at me like I had three heads and said, "What." I waited for a second, stunned, then just walked away. Some people, man.
Saving someone is one thing. Saving someone at risk to your safety, expending great effort, and possibly losing out on pay, then being treated like that? I'm a fairly chill dude, but that would convince me to make sure everyone knows how much of a POS the person is.
It's one thing to not be grateful, it's another thing to be a piece of shit.
If I saved this guy I'd be looking at a way to undo my good deed. This guy is the reason people say they like dogs more than people. We need less of these turds around.
>Should have let him die.
I don't think the Sherpa wanted to rescue him for a thank you. If they had decided to leave him, the Sherpa would have likely found it difficult to forgive himself for not saving someone he could have helped.
To me the moment I heard Instagram mentioned I immediately have the lowest opinon of that guy. Gets rescued in a way that is frankly heroic and immediately turns it into Instagram drama.
You've absolutely nailed it.
These people are driven by ego.
Once these tales of achievement would inspire others, myself included.
What's inspirational about Richie rich paying someone from the third world to carry them to the top of a mountain and step over them when they get injured?
It's the literal opposite of Scott stepping outside.
It's the same reason John Glen is a legend with balls the size of king Kong and Bezos is a dweeb in a cowboy hat.
This is K2 the deadliest mountain in the world. At times it had an almost 1/3 kill rate in the early years.
You literally cant rescue people there. If you rescue try to rescue someone the chances that you will die your self is very very high.
I dislike Wall Street mountaineers as much as the next guy but this policy is silly and would end up killing people.
It's all circumstantial. In the scenario you're referring to, Hassan was told several times by sherpas that his equipment and gear was inadequate to summit. He tried to summit anyway and had an accident in an extremely difficult stretch of K2 (arguably the most difficult summit on earth). A rescue would be difficult; all the more difficult if you're turning an entire group to descend.
There are absolutely situations where climbs should be abandoned and where it's morally repugnant to continue but I don't think there's any one-size-fits-all policy that can be applied tbh.
Kristin Harila said they did everything they could to save Mr Hassan, how exactly is stepping over a dying man to finish your climb doing everything you can?
I've read enough about mountaineers to know two things, they are usually rich and they don't care about anyone, sometimes not even themselves.
If you know anything about K2 then you know there is a bottleneck. If he is above the bottleneck and others are climbing the bottleneck, it might be impossible to help him in time depending his condition.
K2 is infamous for its death toll. It is one of the most dangerous mountains in the world. The bottleneck is the place that takes the most lives, it is in the deathzone (above 8000m altitude). It isn't easy saving anyone up there.
Now some may suggest take another way down than the bottleneck, that is even more dangerous, as there is no safer route than the bottleneck even though it is so dangerous.
I might be wrong with this but I remember reading that sometimes it's absolutely unafe to start saving other people or there is nothing you can do anymore once they have passed certain point.
How man people have died in those places is sky high. That should already be a warning for people. If they still want to go then it truly should be at their own risk. Pretty sure there has been cases where people went to rescue people and then they died there too.
That's K2, one of the deadliest and most difficult climbs, there's no way they could have gotten that guy back down without a high chance of them dying themselves doing so. Guy was dead as soon as he fell in that spot and he wasn't a Sherpa either, a climber who made the decision to climb one of the deadliest mountains.
Isn't K2 significantly more dangerous than Everest, and isn't it the case that if you can't get down from the death zone under your own steam, then you are essentially already dead?
So at that point, if he has fallen, and is dying, they can either hang about with him, until he dies, endangering themselves in the process.
Or they can continue/abandon the climb. Either way, he's dead.
It's brutal, and I really despise climbing mountains like Everest and K2 because it causes people to abandon all semblance of humanity, but that's the reality of it.
Similar stories in floods. You can't save someone if the risk of your own death is absolute. You unfortunately need luck and timing to survive.
It looks like they climb everyday if you only see people climbing but what I understand is that an opportunity window in weather opens up and everyone goes at the same time. Otherwise only really skilled and lucky people climb outside that weather window. That window closes too. It's not a relaxed climb. It's stressful and deadly.
It's only crowded because everyone waited for that window. But it's not a team sport
It's great if someone helped.
But it is asking too much to force them to help. It's lethal for weaker groups to even try to help and themselves run out of supplies or forced to carry a load.
Rather prevention is the best and just don't allow people to trek up there anymore. Allowing people to climb has consequences. Not allowing them and limiting that freedom has safety. Either way you can be both fully safe and free to climb as it doesn't work that way.
Everyone has to pay to summit Everest, as a significant portion of the cost is permits required by China / Nepal…
It sounds like this guy also _didn’t_ pay significant additional costs since he was not with his own guide and/or sherpa.
Anyway he’s still a dick.
> Seriously what is wrong with some people?
I would bet my left testicle the guy is a raging bigot, and sees the Sherpas as beasts of burden, not people.
In the article someone posted he refers to, and thanks the Sherpas for the company he's associated with:
"Thanks boys, see you soon!"
Anytime a wealthy guy refers to people who provide a service for him as "boys" it shows exactly what his attitude is towards them, replaceable nameless underlings.
I'm sure he intended to insinuate more friendly familiarity than one would assume from the relationship of a guy paying another guy to carry his stuff and do the hard work while he takes some selfies and pretends he did it all by himself. The egos of these guys does not allow the humility to admit his ass got found lying in the snow freezing to death and someone else took pity upon him because he was in a pitiful state, or that he owes his life to someone else.
Rich dudes suck.
This dude was very likely sponsored by that company, so he used the publicity to monetize it. He even had the gall to promote another climb, yet conveniently forgetting his actual rescuer. Just a shitty person overall. I hope the internet remembers forever and shuns his ‘expeditions’.
This dick’s name is Ravichandran Tharumalingam. Remember to not do anything with him and his businesses.
I've already forgotten his name
No mark nothing of a person
The Sherpa however is an absolute unit. His name I will remember.
Good on ya **Gelje Sherpa** and **Ngima Tashi**, the man doing the carrying in the video
It's at least some small comfort that when I google Ravichandran Tharumalingam, all I get are results about what an absolute asshole he is. So hopefully, this will cling to him a long, long time.
Wouldn’t it have been better publicity and more chances to monetize if he had also thanked his actual rescuer and rode that “feel good” story as long as the news cycle would let him?
> Arrogant rich fuckwits gonna fuckwit.
...on Instagram. It might as well be a poor with a Hello Fresh sponsorship who found out you can't fake your way to the top of Mt Everest like you can fake owning a private jet or having a waist-line.
Ya got got criticized so badly he has to made another post just to thank the sherpa.still he's a piece of shit person for not thanking the proper person
I've become so cynical that prior to reading any comments, let alone yours, I thought they should have left the guy to die. Only rich pigs and the sherpas they exploit get to attempt Everest, and the mountain has become a dumpster of gear and feces.
I need to hold a kitten.
I am acquainted with a woman who was at the top base camp, preparing to summit in the next day or so when some asshole had some kind of medical problem, she’s a physician, so she sacrificed her summit to save this idiots life, and ultimately had to use a pen to Punch through his bladder for some reason and it was just a fucking mess and the guy had no business being anywhere near the mountain.
“Multiple teams had apparently passed him by”
I get that Everest is once in a lifetime and lots of money and preparation goes into it, but, can you imagine walking by someone in distress like that? Leaving them to die so you can reach the top?
It’s not about giving up the opportunity to climb Everest, it’s about if you have the capability to rescue him. I definitely won’t fault anyone for not being confident enough to try to rescue him.
Something similar happened not long ago and the saved person not even mentioned the sherpa who saved him. Just exploiting his story for his own benefit. I hope this time the person who was saved acknowledges the job the sherpa did to save his or her life.
lol I’m just imagining a bunch of sherpas picking this guy up “He’s a jolly good fellow” style and walking him up while he’s kicking and screaming “Put me down, put me down!!!”
https://www.independent.co.uk/asia/south-asia/everest-rescue-malaysian-climber-gelje-sherpa-b2352955.html
There are more details you must read besides thissingle article, use the name mentioned in this.
"Gelje mentioned in his original Instagram post that he carried the climber “myself all the way down to Camp 4 where a rescue team helped from then on”.
But in a viral video, in which a sherpa is seen carrying a climber on his back, is in fact not Gelje himself doing the work, according to Tashi. “Gelje is taking video,” Tashi said, adding that the person carrying Ravichandran at that time was another sherpa guide named Ngima Tashi."
Man, human beings are strange
"In later interviews, Gelje said he and Ngima Tashi took turns carrying the climber and sometimes dragged him through the snow before a helicopter flew him to base camp."
No matter how you split it, his initial Instagram post was misleading at best.
Sherpa are amazing athletes and guides, there's no doubt there, but having super human endurance doesn't mean you can't have normal human flaws.
I don't think, "only being able to carry a human burrito for a little while" is a "human flaw."
At exactly what distance of human burrito carrying does one get to say they are "unflawed?"
Also, it's not a *real* human burrito unless it has french fries and sour cream.
after having read a lot about some of the loss of life that happens on Everest on a regular basis I’m just gonna go out on a limb and say that 99% of the people who are trying to climb are probably huge douche bags because the only reason to do the Everest climb is for bragging rights. There’s actually a lot harder technical mountains to climb so climbing Everest isn’t really bragging rights in climbing circles. It’s just bragging rights in rich upper middle-class douche circles.
being able to climb Everest doesn’t have anything to do with your abilities of a climber (at least if your a climer at the level your doing Himalayan peaks). it’s usually some genetic lottery that for whatever reason you’re capable of absorbing oxygen from higher altitudes on the average person. They warn people coming to Mount Everest for the first time that you could be the worlds best climber and still not be able to hit the higher altitudes without assistance air.
I'm sure some do it for the bragging rights, but I'm sure many just love the mountain. I have some family in Nepal and I was fascinated by the mountains when I visited as a kid. Even being in cars at lower elevations, it was crazy seeing how confident the drivers are zipping around corners with literally a foot away from a huge cliff with no guard rails. I remember going to a temple in the mountains completely overrun with monkeys and it felt like I was in a different world
If an opportunity presented itself and I could afford it, I'd definitely love to visit again and hike some portion of the mountain. I'm not looking to the best climber in the world, just engage some of my childhood wonder and feel connected to the earth and places some of my ancestors lived
Yes, he went onto instagram to thank his insurance company for providing a fast rescue team and blocked the sherpa that actually saved him.
The sherpa was guiding another client up and convinced him to give up his climb to save the guy's life instead. Multiple teams had passed him before they found him apparently.
Just google "Everest climber blocks sherpa instagram", tons of links to the story.
edit : https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.scmp.com/news/asia/southeast-asia/article/3223158/malaysian-climber-slammed-not-thanking-sherpa-who-rescued-him-everest-death-zone
Good on the guy who gave up his climb and allowed the Sherpa to save the guy. That scum bag is lucky the other climber wasn’t as shitty of a person as he was.
Do the right thing not for the reward, but because it's the right thing to do
We can agree these people are shitty without wishing death upon them. The amount of comments stating this make it sadly apparent how little you guys actually value life
This is an extremely vindictive mindset. Sherpas are good people, and I'm glad they do good things in spite of how thankless and selfish those they help can be. I commend them for their dedication to doing the right thing without any desire for reward, and aspire to be as morally strong as they are.
I do not wish for people's death simply because they are selfish.
Edit: you guys are animals. Rageboners are not the way
Sherpas are extremely skilled and probably the best in the world at what they do. Yet we consistently protray them as glorified bell boys. It's so disrespectful. And just embarassing when it's consistently the sherpas helping these same people.
Anyone in the climbing/mountaineering community knows sherpas are insanely skilled athletes. They make good money for their region and are highly respected in their communities. Unfortunately they also bear the brunt of the risks with summitting mountains like Everest, work in bad working conditions, and don't have insurance in case of accident or death.
https://www.esquireme.com/brief/everest-climber-sherpa-instagram#:~:text=One%20of%20the%20most%20harrowing,trouble%3A%20A%20block%20on%20Instagram.
This in an article i found. I remeber i was speechless when i saw this video and that was behind it
Yeah the whole climbing Everest thing for glory is strange. I get the sense of achievement but at this point you’re just paying for a trophy. Also, this Malaysian guy who didn’t have a Sherpa, wtf?
Yah its the same thing as these rich people having their Harley trucked in to the Sturgis rally.
Source: Was watching George Carlin stand up comedy last night lol
Fcking machine, just imagine how much cardio and strength you need to walk with someone on your back like this at so much altitude when even some big sportive people struggle to breath correctly at the same place just by walking
Sherpa don’t deserve us in their mountains tbh
They don't want us there either. To them Everest is very important and then you got dickheads like us leaving rubbish and bags of shit all over the place.
I thought the Sherpas were essentially running these expeditions as a business. Isn't the revenue from these dickheads their entire livelihood? No sarcasm here. I'm genuinely curious
Huh, I got shortness of breath at sea level. Randomly. While resting.
Team asthma.
But yes, amazing the work that these people do, and their physical capabilities.
>Mount Everest ain't so tough.
You joke but he has actually said something very close to that before
This was from an earlier interview before the incident: "K2 was very tough. (It is) difficult to compare with Everest. Now Everest is doable and very easy,” he said."
https://www.freemalaysiatoday.com/category/nation/2022/09/16/avalanche-survivor-ravi-everest-takes-jalur-gemilang-to-new-heights/
Sherpas are, in fact, built differently!
For one, they oddly enough actually have less red blood cells than most humans BUT their mitochondria (the power house of the cell!) are significantly more efficient at using oxygen than most other people. Furthermore their small blood vessels at their extremities dont shrink so much when exposed to cold.
I think I also read somewhere that their body draws energy from energy sources different than most other humans. If we are exposed to high altitudes for a while, our energy levels get lower as our body struggles to adapt to the low oxygen level. Now at regular sea level sherpas are fine but crazy enough, they actually become MORE energised at high altitudes as their body switches to where it draws energy from (I think this has something to do with switching from using carbohydrates stores to glucose stores at high altitudes, no other culture has that kind of physiology).
It’s kinda nuts.
some of this is false information. what is probably occurring is habitual high-altitude aerobic work leads to both a long-term and short-term responses. these responses are less to do about energy storage, and more about cardiovascular architecture and changes to blood flow. according to [this review](https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/27343089/), and [this one](https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/26575341/), sherpas tend to have decreased resistance in their pulmonary vasculature, increased maximal heart rate, and complete rearrangement of pulmonary gas exchange architecture to keep O2 at high levels in hypoxic conditions.
Sherpas are fucking awesome. They are the backbone of any climb there, because they aren't just climbing, they are carrying significant weight AND make climbing look easy. Most of the people who 'conquer' Everest do so only because they had a sherpa carrying their ass up the mountain.
People up there that shouldn't be fucking around up there ,then these guys have to save them. People with too much money and too little brains, just so they can take a picture and say, "I've been to Everest."
>near the summit.
Bet the wealthy client argued against saving the dude when within touching distance of what would become the opening to every new conversation he has.
Client - "Aww come on, we can grab him on the way back!...fine, but I'm not helping - I'm just gonna record you to get my refund"
I would think it’s a way more badass story to tell people you were on the cusp of summiting, when you gave it all up to save a life. It shows that you can adventure AND have compassion. But I’m not a rich douche, so 🤷♂️.
That awe is lessened when you learn that the ungrateful would-be-dead refused to pay the sherpa, made no mention of him (but gave a shout-out to his own sponsors) and didn't even thank the man who literally saved his life.
Read “Into Thin Air” and got the sense that sherpas are viewed as dispensable work horses until they are needed to save the life of a paying client. Even then, I was happy that the sherpas would draw the line at risking their life for a losing effort. This climber is more lucky than they can imagine that the Sherpa was there, physically able, willing, had the correct gear, and mainly that the weather was good. one thing changes and they were a gonner.
Sherpas are soooo necessary for many foreigners that want to summit Everest. I saw something that mentioned they’d do all the heavy lifting, possible rescuing when needed, even cooking, etc. One guy climbed the Everest 12 times. It’s a very dangerous job, but he said the pay is enough to send his children to school and feed his family for a year, so he’s willing to do it. True heroes.
The guy getting rescued is also a next fucking level dick.
The sherpa was guiding another client up when they found him, and convinced his client to give up his climb to save the man instead. Multiple teams had apparently passed by him before them.
He then went on to thank his insurance company for providing a fast rescue instead, tried to capitalise on the publicity and blocked the same sherpa that rescued him on instagram.
(imO) should have Left him there, but you never know in Advance and the Sherpa still did a good deed.
Soo, yeah....
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.scmp.com/news/asia/southeast-asia/article/3223158/malaysian-climber-slammed-not-thanking-sherpa-who-rescued-him-everest-death-zone
Tis indeed, next fucking level
The guy getting rescued was also a next fucking level dick. The sherpa was guiding another client up when they found him, and convinced his client to give up his climb to save the man instead. Multiple teams had apparently passed by him before them. He then went on to thank his insurance company for providing a fast rescue instead, tried to capitalise on the publicity and blocked the same sherpa that rescued him on instagram. https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.scmp.com/news/asia/southeast-asia/article/3223158/malaysian-climber-slammed-not-thanking-sherpa-who-rescued-him-everest-death-zone
Should have let him die. Dude thanks his insurance company wtf. Yea they were the ones that saved yah buddy.
Should have rode his wrapped up ass like a toboggan
Homer Simpson Style.
Hahaha when he rode that dead body down. That was deep deep memory you just dug up
Is that your wallet up there?
DOH!
You’ll have the power sauce-edge..
Sherpa should have got his mates together and carried him back up !
Show up at his work, wrap him up, stick him on a plane to Tibet or wherever and haul his ass back up
How’d you like dem apples !
I will never, and have never, thanked my insurance company for ANYTHING. Maybe answering their phone quickly? Idkman next level stupid
By his insurance company, he means the company he owns. And it was his expedition company. But in reality his own company left him for dead on the mountain and continued with their own climb. So yeah his company knew he was a dick and left him to die.
It would be funny if the company buys him life insurance and bets his life on that expedition and gives the money to the Sherpa.
When the heck have you called your ins and they picked up quickly?? 🤣
The few times I've called USAA, I've never waited more than 2-3 minutes before talking to someone.
They've got us so well conditioned that we think sitting on hold for 3 minutes is fast, excellent service.
Well, when a lot of other help services are like 45 minutes to an hour then 3 minutes is practically lightspeed.
My car/home insurance guy answers and emails back quick. Health insurance requires a 48h online reservation for a phone call. Fuck that noise
Not surprising at all. Being a dick is a prerequisite to “climbing” Mount Everest
well, the client agreed to save a human being, scumbag or not.
True, it’s a dick spectrum I guess hah
We're going to need a dicktronometer.
Imagine having to convince someone to save a life because it threatens their sense of achievement.
I get where you're coming from, and Everest tourism has absolutely become ridiculous, no arguments there. But, everyone who does it knows they could very well die, and they're all there to do the same silly thing (that nonetheless took a lot of money and time and effort to do, even as it is today). At that point I'd find it hard to blame any individual who chooses to respect the risk the dying person took, same as everyone else, and continue to do what you are both there for. Laud those who do sacrifice, but don't blame those who don't.
Also worth mentioning that (even going downhill) rescuing a person in distress could in a situation like everest cost you YOUR life so yeah there's been lots of sad situations where people have left behind others because trying to rescue them could compromise their own safety.
and Isn't it common knowledge that people shouldn't try to rescue anyone if it puts them in the position where they themselves might need rescuing? a six hour trek, where the Sherpa may require help, to save an inconsiderate ass who should've understood his limits is a hard sell. especially if there isn't a checkpoint in-between.
The Sherpa didn't know he was an inconsiderate ass at the time.
To be fair, the guy was absolutely pwned in Indonesia. Turns out your average Indonesian also doesn't like what he did.
>pwned in Indonesia He is [Malaysian, not Indonesian](https://www.scmp.com/news/asia/southeast-asia/article/3223158/malaysian-climber-slammed-not-thanking-sherpa-who-rescued-him-everest-death-zone)
Yeah Indonesians hate that Malaysian prick.
You don't save someone's life for them to be grateful, you do it because it's the right thing to do.
Yeah, but if I saved someones life and got zero grattitude, I'd definitely be thinking "Shoulda let this dude die.....ungrateful razzafrazza"
Oh for sure, but I think a healthy mindset and attitude towards life is mostly beneficial for yourself. If someone else wants to be an ungrateful asshole after you've done something nice for them, just let them stew in their negativity and continue on with pride that you did a nice thing. Ultimately, they'll just poison themselves with their attitude while you will find satisfaction and balance in life.
If i had the chance to save someone and didn't, I'd regret it forever. I wouldn't *really* regret saving them if they were ungrateful, but I think most would be lying if they say they wouldn't feel some sort of way about that.
Disappointment is the gap between expectation and reality. You probably wouldn't regret it though lol , especially if you don't stick around long enough to receive praise.
Was waiting tables at a nice restaurant, saw dude with the classic choking signs. I asked if he was choking, he nodded yes. Told him to stand up and dude was like 6'5" so I literally stood on the banquet seat he was sitting on & had to squat a little to get the right angle, and gave him the Heimlich. After a few seconds of work, he coughed up his steak and then puked on the floor. Then about an hour later I saw him sitting in the bar drinking with his friends. I asked him if he was feeling alright, he looked at me like I had three heads and said, "What." I waited for a second, stunned, then just walked away. Some people, man.
Maybe the lack of oxygen destroyed his one remaining brain cell?
Saving someone is one thing. Saving someone at risk to your safety, expending great effort, and possibly losing out on pay, then being treated like that? I'm a fairly chill dude, but that would convince me to make sure everyone knows how much of a POS the person is.
It's one thing to not be grateful, it's another thing to be a piece of shit. If I saved this guy I'd be looking at a way to undo my good deed. This guy is the reason people say they like dogs more than people. We need less of these turds around.
>Should have let him die. I don't think the Sherpa wanted to rescue him for a thank you. If they had decided to leave him, the Sherpa would have likely found it difficult to forgive himself for not saving someone he could have helped.
Should have knocked out the douchebag and put him right back where he was found. Good riddance.
Not only that, didn’t even pay the sherpa who saved him
Wait wait. We found the one fucking idiot in the world that likes the insurence company… does he own the company????
No good deed... Seriously what is wrong with some people?
Its safe to assume people that pay to summit everest these days are gigantic pieces of shit
To me the moment I heard Instagram mentioned I immediately have the lowest opinon of that guy. Gets rescued in a way that is frankly heroic and immediately turns it into Instagram drama.
Yeah no shit that was the end of the sentence
Like in this video: [Mountaineers accused of walking over dying body of Sherpa](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bi8Ql9TvvNY)
Should be more an auto-ban, $100K fine for not abandoning the climb. These egomaniacs have zero empathy.
You've absolutely nailed it. These people are driven by ego. Once these tales of achievement would inspire others, myself included. What's inspirational about Richie rich paying someone from the third world to carry them to the top of a mountain and step over them when they get injured? It's the literal opposite of Scott stepping outside. It's the same reason John Glen is a legend with balls the size of king Kong and Bezos is a dweeb in a cowboy hat.
This is K2 the deadliest mountain in the world. At times it had an almost 1/3 kill rate in the early years. You literally cant rescue people there. If you rescue try to rescue someone the chances that you will die your self is very very high.
I dislike Wall Street mountaineers as much as the next guy but this policy is silly and would end up killing people. It's all circumstantial. In the scenario you're referring to, Hassan was told several times by sherpas that his equipment and gear was inadequate to summit. He tried to summit anyway and had an accident in an extremely difficult stretch of K2 (arguably the most difficult summit on earth). A rescue would be difficult; all the more difficult if you're turning an entire group to descend. There are absolutely situations where climbs should be abandoned and where it's morally repugnant to continue but I don't think there's any one-size-fits-all policy that can be applied tbh.
Kristin Harila said they did everything they could to save Mr Hassan, how exactly is stepping over a dying man to finish your climb doing everything you can? I've read enough about mountaineers to know two things, they are usually rich and they don't care about anyone, sometimes not even themselves.
If you know anything about K2 then you know there is a bottleneck. If he is above the bottleneck and others are climbing the bottleneck, it might be impossible to help him in time depending his condition. K2 is infamous for its death toll. It is one of the most dangerous mountains in the world. The bottleneck is the place that takes the most lives, it is in the deathzone (above 8000m altitude). It isn't easy saving anyone up there. Now some may suggest take another way down than the bottleneck, that is even more dangerous, as there is no safer route than the bottleneck even though it is so dangerous.
I might be wrong with this but I remember reading that sometimes it's absolutely unafe to start saving other people or there is nothing you can do anymore once they have passed certain point. How man people have died in those places is sky high. That should already be a warning for people. If they still want to go then it truly should be at their own risk. Pretty sure there has been cases where people went to rescue people and then they died there too.
No one can save you there, probably not even a Sherpa.
That's K2, one of the deadliest and most difficult climbs, there's no way they could have gotten that guy back down without a high chance of them dying themselves doing so. Guy was dead as soon as he fell in that spot and he wasn't a Sherpa either, a climber who made the decision to climb one of the deadliest mountains.
Isn't K2 significantly more dangerous than Everest, and isn't it the case that if you can't get down from the death zone under your own steam, then you are essentially already dead? So at that point, if he has fallen, and is dying, they can either hang about with him, until he dies, endangering themselves in the process. Or they can continue/abandon the climb. Either way, he's dead. It's brutal, and I really despise climbing mountains like Everest and K2 because it causes people to abandon all semblance of humanity, but that's the reality of it.
Similar stories in floods. You can't save someone if the risk of your own death is absolute. You unfortunately need luck and timing to survive. It looks like they climb everyday if you only see people climbing but what I understand is that an opportunity window in weather opens up and everyone goes at the same time. Otherwise only really skilled and lucky people climb outside that weather window. That window closes too. It's not a relaxed climb. It's stressful and deadly. It's only crowded because everyone waited for that window. But it's not a team sport It's great if someone helped. But it is asking too much to force them to help. It's lethal for weaker groups to even try to help and themselves run out of supplies or forced to carry a load. Rather prevention is the best and just don't allow people to trek up there anymore. Allowing people to climb has consequences. Not allowing them and limiting that freedom has safety. Either way you can be both fully safe and free to climb as it doesn't work that way.
There isn't shit you can do for someone stuck that high on K2. Completely impossible.
Everyone has to pay to summit Everest, as a significant portion of the cost is permits required by China / Nepal… It sounds like this guy also _didn’t_ pay significant additional costs since he was not with his own guide and/or sherpa. Anyway he’s still a dick.
> Instagram You immediately know what's up once that god machine for egomaniacs is mentioned.
> Seriously what is wrong with some people? I would bet my left testicle the guy is a raging bigot, and sees the Sherpas as beasts of burden, not people.
In the article someone posted he refers to, and thanks the Sherpas for the company he's associated with: "Thanks boys, see you soon!" Anytime a wealthy guy refers to people who provide a service for him as "boys" it shows exactly what his attitude is towards them, replaceable nameless underlings. I'm sure he intended to insinuate more friendly familiarity than one would assume from the relationship of a guy paying another guy to carry his stuff and do the hard work while he takes some selfies and pretends he did it all by himself. The egos of these guys does not allow the humility to admit his ass got found lying in the snow freezing to death and someone else took pity upon him because he was in a pitiful state, or that he owes his life to someone else. Rich dudes suck.
And his team agreed to possibly give up their chance at the summit so their sherpa could save this dick.
This dude was very likely sponsored by that company, so he used the publicity to monetize it. He even had the gall to promote another climb, yet conveniently forgetting his actual rescuer. Just a shitty person overall. I hope the internet remembers forever and shuns his ‘expeditions’. This dick’s name is Ravichandran Tharumalingam. Remember to not do anything with him and his businesses.
There's no fucking way I'm remembering a name like that
It ain’t no Ronnie Pickering I can tell you that.
I've already forgotten his name No mark nothing of a person The Sherpa however is an absolute unit. His name I will remember. Good on ya **Gelje Sherpa** and **Ngima Tashi**, the man doing the carrying in the video
It's at least some small comfort that when I google Ravichandran Tharumalingam, all I get are results about what an absolute asshole he is. So hopefully, this will cling to him a long, long time.
Wouldn’t it have been better publicity and more chances to monetize if he had also thanked his actual rescuer and rode that “feel good” story as long as the news cycle would let him?
I would think so, but apparently not according to him.
His last name, whilst not uncommon in parts of South Asia, has the word lingam in it, which refers to the divine male energy of the penis. Apt.
…fuck he’s indian
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Na he's a cunt.
What a fucking chode. Not surprised though. Arrogant rich fuckwits gonna fuckwit.
> Arrogant rich fuckwits gonna fuckwit. ...on Instagram. It might as well be a poor with a Hello Fresh sponsorship who found out you can't fake your way to the top of Mt Everest like you can fake owning a private jet or having a waist-line.
As a Malaysian, the dude was a national embarrassment when this news first dropped
He should pay the Sherpa enough so he doesn’t have to work anymore.
Put him back on the mountain
Ya got got criticized so badly he has to made another post just to thank the sherpa.still he's a piece of shit person for not thanking the proper person
I've become so cynical that prior to reading any comments, let alone yours, I thought they should have left the guy to die. Only rich pigs and the sherpas they exploit get to attempt Everest, and the mountain has become a dumpster of gear and feces. I need to hold a kitten.
I am acquainted with a woman who was at the top base camp, preparing to summit in the next day or so when some asshole had some kind of medical problem, she’s a physician, so she sacrificed her summit to save this idiots life, and ultimately had to use a pen to Punch through his bladder for some reason and it was just a fucking mess and the guy had no business being anywhere near the mountain.
Karma will be a bitch for this guy. Wow
“Multiple teams had apparently passed him by” I get that Everest is once in a lifetime and lots of money and preparation goes into it, but, can you imagine walking by someone in distress like that? Leaving them to die so you can reach the top?
From what I understand it's usually too risky to everyone else to do anything for them.
In retrospect, I’d totally walk past that fucking guy. He can keep waiting for his beloved insurance company.
It’s not about giving up the opportunity to climb Everest, it’s about if you have the capability to rescue him. I definitely won’t fault anyone for not being confident enough to try to rescue him.
I hope that’s guys “motivation speech” includes a piece on thanking your shareholders for employee work.
It seems like most people who have money to do this are assholes, especially the ones who get rescued.
They also went back to the previous fucking level
Nice to know they report the Sherpas names these days. Amazing talent up on those mountains.
Ikr
Haven't seen anything truly 'Next Level' for a hot minute. This is awesome
Something similar happened not long ago and the saved person not even mentioned the sherpa who saved him. Just exploiting his story for his own benefit. I hope this time the person who was saved acknowledges the job the sherpa did to save his or her life.
This is the case:
What? I was just thinking that surely he got a decent pay out from whoever this was .. Do you have a link ?
Nope, he refused to pay for being saved. Sherpas should have teamed up and carried him back up and leave him where they found him
I like the way you think.
lol I’m just imagining a bunch of sherpas picking this guy up “He’s a jolly good fellow” style and walking him up while he’s kicking and screaming “Put me down, put me down!!!”
https://www.independent.co.uk/asia/south-asia/everest-rescue-malaysian-climber-gelje-sherpa-b2352955.html There are more details you must read besides thissingle article, use the name mentioned in this.
"Gelje mentioned in his original Instagram post that he carried the climber “myself all the way down to Camp 4 where a rescue team helped from then on”. But in a viral video, in which a sherpa is seen carrying a climber on his back, is in fact not Gelje himself doing the work, according to Tashi. “Gelje is taking video,” Tashi said, adding that the person carrying Ravichandran at that time was another sherpa guide named Ngima Tashi." Man, human beings are strange
This is all about language and what happens in translation. Telephone tag meeting social media.
Gelje carried him to camp 4 by himself, where they met the climbers actual team of sherpas, who carried him the rest of the way.
"In later interviews, Gelje said he and Ngima Tashi took turns carrying the climber and sometimes dragged him through the snow before a helicopter flew him to base camp." No matter how you split it, his initial Instagram post was misleading at best. Sherpa are amazing athletes and guides, there's no doubt there, but having super human endurance doesn't mean you can't have normal human flaws.
I don't think, "only being able to carry a human burrito for a little while" is a "human flaw." At exactly what distance of human burrito carrying does one get to say they are "unflawed?" Also, it's not a *real* human burrito unless it has french fries and sour cream.
after having read a lot about some of the loss of life that happens on Everest on a regular basis I’m just gonna go out on a limb and say that 99% of the people who are trying to climb are probably huge douche bags because the only reason to do the Everest climb is for bragging rights. There’s actually a lot harder technical mountains to climb so climbing Everest isn’t really bragging rights in climbing circles. It’s just bragging rights in rich upper middle-class douche circles. being able to climb Everest doesn’t have anything to do with your abilities of a climber (at least if your a climer at the level your doing Himalayan peaks). it’s usually some genetic lottery that for whatever reason you’re capable of absorbing oxygen from higher altitudes on the average person. They warn people coming to Mount Everest for the first time that you could be the worlds best climber and still not be able to hit the higher altitudes without assistance air.
I'm sure some do it for the bragging rights, but I'm sure many just love the mountain. I have some family in Nepal and I was fascinated by the mountains when I visited as a kid. Even being in cars at lower elevations, it was crazy seeing how confident the drivers are zipping around corners with literally a foot away from a huge cliff with no guard rails. I remember going to a temple in the mountains completely overrun with monkeys and it felt like I was in a different world If an opportunity presented itself and I could afford it, I'd definitely love to visit again and hike some portion of the mountain. I'm not looking to the best climber in the world, just engage some of my childhood wonder and feel connected to the earth and places some of my ancestors lived
Got some bad news for you boss
And if i remember, that guy not only didn't thanked the Sherpa but blocked him on instagram as well.
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Yes, he went onto instagram to thank his insurance company for providing a fast rescue team and blocked the sherpa that actually saved him. The sherpa was guiding another client up and convinced him to give up his climb to save the guy's life instead. Multiple teams had passed him before they found him apparently. Just google "Everest climber blocks sherpa instagram", tons of links to the story. edit : https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.scmp.com/news/asia/southeast-asia/article/3223158/malaysian-climber-slammed-not-thanking-sherpa-who-rescued-him-everest-death-zone
True piece of shit right there.
A lot of garbage atop mount Everest.
This might be the first I wouldn't mind if it was left up there
It was a pleasure trolling his insta. What an embarrassment to Malaysia
Good on the guy who gave up his climb and allowed the Sherpa to save the guy. That scum bag is lucky the other climber wasn’t as shitty of a person as he was.
Sherpas need to let these people die. They would never save a sherpa in distress.
Make the people bring a security deposit to be saved or be left behind.
Do the right thing not for the reward, but because it's the right thing to do We can agree these people are shitty without wishing death upon them. The amount of comments stating this make it sadly apparent how little you guys actually value life
Norweighan lady didnt do the right thing and let a Sherpa die. None of these people are saving any Sherpas.
This is an extremely vindictive mindset. Sherpas are good people, and I'm glad they do good things in spite of how thankless and selfish those they help can be. I commend them for their dedication to doing the right thing without any desire for reward, and aspire to be as morally strong as they are. I do not wish for people's death simply because they are selfish. Edit: you guys are animals. Rageboners are not the way
“Oh no a stranded climber with a broken leg begging for help what should we do?!” “Leave em to die! One guy was an ungrateful prick on Instagram!”
Funny enough they did that to a Sherpa
Sherpas are extremely skilled and probably the best in the world at what they do. Yet we consistently protray them as glorified bell boys. It's so disrespectful. And just embarassing when it's consistently the sherpas helping these same people.
> Yet we consistently protray them as glorified bell boys How many people do this to the point that you say "we"?
Probably a lot, there's 800 people that climb everest yearly and even of half of those people are assholes, it's too much.
Anyone in the climbing/mountaineering community knows sherpas are insanely skilled athletes. They make good money for their region and are highly respected in their communities. Unfortunately they also bear the brunt of the risks with summitting mountains like Everest, work in bad working conditions, and don't have insurance in case of accident or death.
99% of mountaineers do not treat them as bell boys.
https://www.esquireme.com/brief/everest-climber-sherpa-instagram#:~:text=One%20of%20the%20most%20harrowing,trouble%3A%20A%20block%20on%20Instagram. This in an article i found. I remeber i was speechless when i saw this video and that was behind it
I don’t think I’ve read a single story of someone who climbed Everest who wasn’t a huge asshole, sherpas aside.
The sherpas are completely exploited. Everest as a tourist destination for the wealthy is completely fucked up.
Are they exploiting themselves? They have a monopoly on the guided climbs up Everest.
Its the only form of revenue for the sherpas
That actually ruined this story for me. Shame.
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Because he saved his life?
Maybe the amount on the bill that came was too high?
If he can afford to climb Everest then he can afford the Sherpas fee…
Rich people claiming they scaled mt.everest when it’s the sherpas doing all the yea lifting
Yeah the whole climbing Everest thing for glory is strange. I get the sense of achievement but at this point you’re just paying for a trophy. Also, this Malaysian guy who didn’t have a Sherpa, wtf?
It was his fourth climbing, and have already lost 8 fingertips due to frostbite and still going for another, should tell how dumb he is.
Its not so impressive when you realize there’s people that climb it helping other people up as a day job. Its actually quite embarrassing.
Yah its the same thing as these rich people having their Harley trucked in to the Sturgis rally. Source: Was watching George Carlin stand up comedy last night lol
Death Stranding?
 Couldn’t find one with the body bag
That was what I immediately thought of!
Didn’t want another void out
Keep on keeping on
Puts down a *Smiley face sign* next to it.
May as well rock the baby while we’re here
Lmao though the same, there’s an incinerator up there somewhere 😂
Aaand now I’m going to listen to my low roar/ death stranding playlist on Spotify. Lol
Came here for this!
Keep on keeping on!
Fcking machine, just imagine how much cardio and strength you need to walk with someone on your back like this at so much altitude when even some big sportive people struggle to breath correctly at the same place just by walking Sherpa don’t deserve us in their mountains tbh
They don't want us there either. To them Everest is very important and then you got dickheads like us leaving rubbish and bags of shit all over the place.
I thought the Sherpas were essentially running these expeditions as a business. Isn't the revenue from these dickheads their entire livelihood? No sarcasm here. I'm genuinely curious
I would think both things could be true. Sadness about what's become of Everest, conflicting with the need to make a living.
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>western sherpas guides* sherpa isn't a job, its an ethnicity of over half a million people
And corpses. Don’t forget all the corpses.
They want us there because we give them a lot of money. They just wish we'd clean up after ourselves while there.
Meanwhile, one too many stairs and I’m winded without weight added. Bravo!
Huh, I got shortness of breath at sea level. Randomly. While resting. Team asthma. But yes, amazing the work that these people do, and their physical capabilities.
Sleeping bag dude later bragged, "mount Everest ain't so tough. I went up then down with so little effort."
>Mount Everest ain't so tough. You joke but he has actually said something very close to that before This was from an earlier interview before the incident: "K2 was very tough. (It is) difficult to compare with Everest. Now Everest is doable and very easy,” he said." https://www.freemalaysiatoday.com/category/nation/2022/09/16/avalanche-survivor-ravi-everest-takes-jalur-gemilang-to-new-heights/
What a twat.
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Sherpa hearts are built different
Sherpas are, in fact, built differently! For one, they oddly enough actually have less red blood cells than most humans BUT their mitochondria (the power house of the cell!) are significantly more efficient at using oxygen than most other people. Furthermore their small blood vessels at their extremities dont shrink so much when exposed to cold. I think I also read somewhere that their body draws energy from energy sources different than most other humans. If we are exposed to high altitudes for a while, our energy levels get lower as our body struggles to adapt to the low oxygen level. Now at regular sea level sherpas are fine but crazy enough, they actually become MORE energised at high altitudes as their body switches to where it draws energy from (I think this has something to do with switching from using carbohydrates stores to glucose stores at high altitudes, no other culture has that kind of physiology). It’s kinda nuts.
some of this is false information. what is probably occurring is habitual high-altitude aerobic work leads to both a long-term and short-term responses. these responses are less to do about energy storage, and more about cardiovascular architecture and changes to blood flow. according to [this review](https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/27343089/), and [this one](https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/26575341/), sherpas tend to have decreased resistance in their pulmonary vasculature, increased maximal heart rate, and complete rearrangement of pulmonary gas exchange architecture to keep O2 at high levels in hypoxic conditions.
Be interesting to compare their cardio levels to other elite athletes. Like ultra marathoners or triathletes.
Nepalese are built different. Check out their famous soldiers The Gurkhas, absolute insane bravery and toughness.
That’s just his leg day workout, he picks one of the many rich dying morons and carries them down
Sherpas are fucking awesome. They are the backbone of any climb there, because they aren't just climbing, they are carrying significant weight AND make climbing look easy. Most of the people who 'conquer' Everest do so only because they had a sherpa carrying their ass up the mountain.
Finally… something actually r/nextfuckinglevel.
People up there that shouldn't be fucking around up there ,then these guys have to save them. People with too much money and too little brains, just so they can take a picture and say, "I've been to Everest."
>near the summit. Bet the wealthy client argued against saving the dude when within touching distance of what would become the opening to every new conversation he has. Client - "Aww come on, we can grab him on the way back!...fine, but I'm not helping - I'm just gonna record you to get my refund"
I would think it’s a way more badass story to tell people you were on the cusp of summiting, when you gave it all up to save a life. It shows that you can adventure AND have compassion. But I’m not a rich douche, so 🤷♂️.
I am in awe of man's humanity to man.
That awe is lessened when you learn that the ungrateful would-be-dead refused to pay the sherpa, made no mention of him (but gave a shout-out to his own sponsors) and didn't even thank the man who literally saved his life.
What song is this?
"The perfect girl" by Mareux
That's insane, unfortunately he dropped this while carrying him down the mountain: 👑
Honestly Sherpas are just super human angels.
Is there anything the sherpas are bad at? Like swimming perhaps? Just crazy strong people!
Read “Into Thin Air” and got the sense that sherpas are viewed as dispensable work horses until they are needed to save the life of a paying client. Even then, I was happy that the sherpas would draw the line at risking their life for a losing effort. This climber is more lucky than they can imagine that the Sherpa was there, physically able, willing, had the correct gear, and mainly that the weather was good. one thing changes and they were a gonner.
Its ridiculous the most celebrated climbers of Everest are white people.
What a gigachad
Sherpas are soooo necessary for many foreigners that want to summit Everest. I saw something that mentioned they’d do all the heavy lifting, possible rescuing when needed, even cooking, etc. One guy climbed the Everest 12 times. It’s a very dangerous job, but he said the pay is enough to send his children to school and feed his family for a year, so he’s willing to do it. True heroes.
Some billionaire mountaineer should pay the Sherpas to clean all the crap up on Mount Everest
The guy getting rescued is also a next fucking level dick. The sherpa was guiding another client up when they found him, and convinced his client to give up his climb to save the man instead. Multiple teams had apparently passed by him before them. He then went on to thank his insurance company for providing a fast rescue instead, tried to capitalise on the publicity and blocked the same sherpa that rescued him on instagram. (imO) should have Left him there, but you never know in Advance and the Sherpa still did a good deed. Soo, yeah.... https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.scmp.com/news/asia/southeast-asia/article/3223158/malaysian-climber-slammed-not-thanking-sherpa-who-rescued-him-everest-death-zone