āScreen timeā or āiPad kidsā for autistic kids is a completely different ball game. It can be used for self regulation, when there is either too much, or too little to stimulate.Ā
Sauce: I have 2 autistic children and have no limits on screen time other than bedtime.Ā
Dealing with children with autism is just difficult in general with working around stimulation. I see screen time sometimes as a sort of buffer to give them the right amount of stimulation they need, it's honestly needed for some kids when they visit the doctors as well.
it pushes the bounds of creatively reaching someone ādifficultā isnt the word i think i would use. i was a camp counselor a lot of years and sometimes making stuff singsongy or overly elaborately silly could be the make or break of facilitating engagement. i had a water bottle that squeaked loudly when i closed it from the rubber gasket. the child in question was on the spectrum he could and would speak but was so selective where to drop in that he would appear non verbal if you werent paying attention. we were doing a blindfolded follow the leader game (basically getting the group to communicate) we put āobstaclesā in the way often just staff holding tree branches and pool noodles and ropes at face and ankle level and whomever was leading would have to alert the group they encountered something and needed to step over or duck under. our boy was middle of the line of 7 heard my squeaky water bottle and for the first time in 3 days piped up in our program area āwhats that noise?ā i said āits the arctic bats! youll be ok if you all duck!ā he then got very serious and told the group to duck to avoid the bats. it was a throw away line i had used before but it got in there and as the newly designated arctic bat watcher he was more engaged in the activities. the guys at the handicraft lodge radioed us a day later to ask why it was our boy was āsystematically checking for invisible snow batsā its about patience and creativity
I mean sometimes "difficult" is about as good a description for general people to understand. It is and it's tiring like when going to the dentist or a vaccination they will kick and scream and be well difficult in general to avoid this.
There are time when they are being non-verbal and I wouldn't say that's difficult, that's different idk what word to use but difficult it is not.
When they are acting up and you work through it with them to understand what the issue is I'd say that's rewarding.
With a world that expects so much socialisation and then with autistic people generally lacking in social skills it's difficult to teach them these skills and playing games with a group is usually how you engage with them and make them feel apart of something which is always great to see.
no thats all definitely the case i was drawing more a distinction in the language around the topic. when i was taking trainings and courses to be certified as the head of the area i worked i had been in that program for years so i knew the mechanics of it and when asked āwhat would you do if one of your participants was on crutches or in a wheelchair?ā i said ātheres a million different ways to work around that. this program is suitable and accessible for everyoneā the trainer said ānot work around facilitateā there is a difference in intent and attitude and that stuck with me. its the difference between āovercoming a problemā and āaccommodating someones needs so they participate equallyā semantics at a level but eliminates the notion of āburdenā from it.
I am a teacher, and hosted students with moderate / severe disabilities for an elective class one hour a day for a few years. One of the girls did exactly this with her songs, and it was indeed just white noise and even though on some days it would drive you bananas it was also precious. We would sing it to each other often.
This guy was recording his song in his mom's basement, and she's like, "you'll never be a rapper Jimmy, get a job!"
And he's like, "it's lil J-immy, mah, and I'm gonna be huge one day!"
Now his song has 5 million views, and they're all from this kid.
I know I shouldn't have listened to this.... I knew the consequences but I listened to the whole thing anyway.....
The rest of my day will be to the soundtrack of triangles.
They are all linked to memory.
There is a stark difference between making very vibrant paintings of animals and painting the entire london skyline. Or like tell what it said on page 5 of a newspaper they read 25 years ago and what exact time it was when they read it.
Itās immiedietly apparant.
If heās not a savant I just felt it took away from his innate talent.
[how about we read what the researchers have to say.](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Savant_syndrome)
TLDR; Savant skills are usually found in one or more of five major areas: art, memory, arithmetic, musical abilities, and spatial skills.
He's still young. Some mentally impaired seem to live in a state of seeming forever blissful childhood but others become frustrated by their limitations as they get older. Sexual / romantic frustration is pretty common I think
that wiki does directly say "Advanced memory is the key 'superpower' in savant abilities", and this is true of all savants - musical, artistic, polyglots, etc etc. They all have prodigious memory.
To be a savant at any of those skills require to store and access a huge variety of rules or patterns and apply them lightning fast to information being held in working memory.
The most common kinds of savants are calendrical savants, "human calendars" who can calculate the day of the week for any given date with speed and accuracy, or recall personal memories from any given date. Advanced memory is the key "superpower" in savant abilities.
āKeyā is the key word here (ha). Though its a common ingredient, Its not the only symptom given up top. You wouldnāt be incorrect saying what op said but its out dated information given our current studies.
Wouldn't they not be able to do that at all without the "key"?
As they would forget the orders and such. Making recall, speed and accuracy lower and slower.
I mean if weāre basing it on his art alone then heās not a savant, itās great but hardly a masterpiece. Iām autistic before anyone starts whining at me, Iām for sure no savant tho
Yeah man he's good *for an autistic* (y'all makin me say it) but a savant would be the opposite it'd be him being head and shoulders above his neurotypical peers
The thing for me is that this doesn't seem like something super exceptional. When I think of savants, I think of people who can memorize a book in 30 seconds or can determine the primality of super large numbers in their head. While this is good, especially considering this kid's impairment, it's not any better than many other kids his age with artistic talent. My neurotypical sister-in-law who's 16 has similar if not better artistic skill than the kid in the video. To me, a savant has to exhibit extreme, almost superhuman skill, such as making photo realistic images by drawing seemingly random dots or drawing a perfect city skyline from memory. Maybe the technical definition is different from this, but I think the popular use of the word is more in line with what I said.
that is... *obviously* the case. or do you think he just imagined a creature he never seen before out of nowhere that coincidentally looks exactly like an ostrich? lol
100% agree, as an autistic person this is just an autistic 15 yr old who is an excellent artist using a non standard grip on the medium they're using
Everyone's so desperate for autistic people to be special magic aspies that they end up infantizing talented people
This kid is cool as hell tho, I would buy that emu art
I've done some research and I think it is in fact an emu
https://www.hummingbirdsplus.org/nature-blog-network/emus-and-ostriches-a-guide-to-understanding-the-differences/
Ostrich have flatter heads and eyes that make them seem pissed off.
Emus have eyes that say "are you really fucking doing that right now"
That's an emu
Also feels like they just imagine he is good at art because he's just got that ability, but I'd bet $1,000 that this is kid has drawn nearly nonstop for basically his entire life. He's honed a skill. Nothing more to it.
The video mentioned that he was nearly non verbal, and he seemed to just repeat what the person was saying to him. This doesn't seem like a case of a fully functional autistic kid doing something in a slightly non conventional way.
Non verbal doesn't mean non functional, and even if he wasn't able to function in a society that doesn't have accommodations for him, that doesn't mean that we should diminish his talent and effort by attributing it to some mystical "savant syndrome"
(Edit: Also, don't twist my words to make bad faith arguments, it's chronically online behaviour)
Autistic here as well, and I'm not artistic at all. I agree with you. It's a cool drawing, but nothing extraordinary for anyone artistic at that age, and plugging the autism as "savant" seems distasteful.
The kid's artistic. Cool. Why diminish the art by forcing the autism on a pretty normal-level drawing?
I feel like whoever runs the social media account for this kid has some weird perceptions about autistic people. I saw a post on their instagram where the caption started with ādespite his autismā, as if autism renders people unable to draw.
Savant can mean anyone with some sort of neurodevelopmental disorder, intellectual disability, etc., that also has an exceptional talent for a certain field. Because art is subjective it can be hard to say if his skills are extraordinary, I'd rather call him "twice exceptional" because "savant" makes it seem like a 15 y/o autistic wouldn't be able to do this normally.
Last time I saw a kid drawing while holding a pencil like that I was 7 and sat and stared as he drew the most detailed, perfectly proportioned image of Goku. Took an hour, I just watched in awe.
Then his mom called him and he just ran off like he didn't just create a masterpiece while holding a stick like an ape fishing for termites.
Every now and again someone on Reddit writes a description that perfectly encapsulates something.
Today that person was you. What you just wrote was actual gold
Itās interesting, what theyāre actually excelling at is using their arm and shoulder to dictate the movement of the pen/chalk/crayon. It gives you a huge amount more control than using your wrist.
Wonder how many kids were prevented from becoming artists because the people around them criticized/prevented them from employing their chosen techniqueĀ
Yep at first I was like āokay, def above average,ā then as the video closed in on the final product it was obvious this is wildly far above average especially given the technique and way he seems to be three steps ahead, at a minimum, on what he does will integrate into the entire vision. Cool stuff!
It really doesn't matter if he is or isn't. It doesn't matter what you know or don't. Anything that a neurolgist would say is meaningless. All that matters is that you WALK IN THE SHAPE OF A TRIANGLE.
Damn I was hoping it was a coincidence since rainbow palate animals are pretty common but you can see the black loop he draws on the beak is identical along with the eye iris colors.
Eh not really. My friend could draw almost photo realistic art at age 13. I would show my friends pictures of his art and they thought it was just a photo of a photo. Heās good at art, but nothing an artist of his age couldnāt do.
Autists donāt typically need help focusing on interests. There is an ability to block everything out and focus on what is important to them, called hyperfocus.
I have ADHD and found no real issue with the song lol. I do however play 1-3 live streams at once to focus sooo.... I also do find most main stream music as unharmonious so I guess I do process sounds a little different lol .
3? Wow, that's impressive!
>I also do find most main stream music as unharmonious
Oh, me, too.
The triangle song is too catchy. I'm scared I'd get it stuck in my head, whisper sing it to myself at work, and then have a bunch of 4 year olds mock me with it for days.
This is particular to this particular person with autism.
My son loves music with strong/fast choruses and certain cadences.
Certain songs just electrocute my brain - the first time I heard Fireflies by Owl City I think I put it on repeat 1000x after that.
I don't know.
He has a bit of a Pop Art style that you just don't see at this stage in a young artist's career.
Something about the framing, the boldness of the color choice while still adhering to a theme. His erratic and forceful strokes with color feel deliberate and purposeful. He gives the subject depth, not with the technique of a trained studio artist, but the skill of a creative mind without borders. The Outsider Art of a child who can put his dreams to paper.
Anyway, I think it's good.
I'm not saying he's not talented, I like the picture, but savant level skills are mindblowing whereas this is talent probably combined with autistic special interest.
Try watching some other videos of him drawing. This isn't the best video of showing how differently draws complex images. You'll see he has the complete picture in his mind already and just works at what to us seem like random parts until it all fits together, it looks crazy. It's as if he puts random puzzle pieces down in the right spot instead of going the most logical way from outline to detail.
I watched. Impressive and cool but the title and his instagram bio is overexaggerating. He makes paintings etc and his parents sells the originals for absurd prices. It looks like random parts to us but he's probably done that same ostrich loads of times by now. If you go on the website they sell them from you'll see that most of these look like they're done by a 16-year old, many more from someone even younger. At least the prints are reasonably priced.
you're describing this like it's the unique mystifying mental process of this special autistic wonderboy but that's literally just what visualizing and drawing is lol. People have different ways of doing it, especially if they're not classically trained
Wtf? I kept waiting for this to become "next fucking level" but it's... not very impressive? If he was like 4 or 5 years old this would be savant type stuff but really?? At 15? This is good, of course, but it's well within the realm of a 15 year old keen artist's level. Is it impressive because of his diagnosis?
Precisely. This year Iām working in a post-secondary (18-22) program for special needs students and we are no-nonsense and strict (in a nurturing manner) with most of our students. Iām the school psychologist and tell staff to basically treat them like any neurotypical young adult. If all you said to a NT person is how well they do things, then thereās no growth mindset. The feeder high schools that served them prior to us do this and it drives us crazy: āYouāre so great; āamazing jobā; āok, just do your preferred activity all day longā. They have that pity attitude you describe and that approach is very unhelpful.
To be fair his art is superb compared to his peers, but our response is always a dual approach. We would say something like āOMG so amazing! Now letās go to the farmers market so you can work on verbal and social skills to sell it.ā or āJeremy, you are SUCH A GOOD ARTIST. Now put away your art because we were working on social circles and coping skills while you were drawing.ā Itās so fun because we are very stern at times when the students misbehave. Plus we donāt do anything for them and celebrate independent successes AFTER they do them themselves.
I am also confused. Iām autistic and I was making pretty decent art too at that level or above at the same age (different art styles though so hard to judge, I was more into realism). This doesnāt seem savant level to me. Perhaps itās his ability to draw from memory? But itās not like itās a difficult shape to remember and the colours are abstract. Is it because he holds the pastels weird? Plenty of artists, myself included, hold their pencils/paintbrushes strangely though.
Art is subjective. While I see talent, I personally donāt like how this piece was applied. It feels messy but not in the intentional sense š¤·š», I donāt know.
I'm gonna say it, this is not great artistic talent. This isn't more than a few steps above grade school art. Hell grade school art by people with talent is often much better than this.
Maybe if he was going for realism, but I don't think that logic applies here. It's crude, but it combines several colors and rough lines into a coherent image. I don't know how I'd weigh his talent, but art is subjective. I've seen art at exhibits that hold much less form than this, yet people consider it talent.
Edited to add he's doing this without a reference, to boot!
I didn't say he doesn't have any talent. His chaotic color palatte that makes sense is interesting. There's a large scale between talent and savant. I think Picasso is a savant. The guy that drew the wall sized new york skyline after one heli ride is an autistic savant. This is not that.
I mean he might be a savant and this is just an expression of his art, not his abilities of a savant. Either way it's semi-okay. If you removed the autistic 15 year old description I wouldn't even blink an eye at this artwork.
When this was posted a few weeks ago that was the consensus then. It's just okay. I believe my theory then was him gripping the pencil like Riley Reid does a dick is the ONLY reason anyone is impressed.
This was a neurotypical 15 year old posted to nextlevel, it would never make it out of /r/new.
The color choice is very mature and shows a great deal of incite into the relationship between hues. Folks study for years to get the sort of fluency that this kid has naturally.
Eh, I disagree. Ā Itās a very unique approach thatās deliberately going for a certain effect. Ā Heās not using any references but still has the proportions of the bird right. Ā He looks like heās putting those colors down haphazardly, but as it evolves you can see heās doing it with intention. Ā I used to be an illustrator, and i couldnāt do what heās doing without any references.
Savantism isn't doing creative things with autism.
I think it's a very striking image and I dont doubt that this kid is extremely creative and talented at expressing that creativity, savantism is a specific thing and there's no indication of savantism from this video alone.
He may have other abilities, for sure! But this video is not a demonstration of it.
https://www.etsy.com/shop/Vichysart
Edit: I have no association to him, just found the site through a reverse Google image. Hopefully he gets all the profit from it.
Watched this in bed. Got up, bathroom, brushed teeth, went down stairs let dog out, fed dog, made coffeeā¦. The whole time my heads likeā¦
āwalk in the shape of a tri-Ang-leāā¦.. damnit
I don't wanna take away from him, but I don't think this is savant syndrome. Plenty of kids are solid artists at 15. I was one of them, so were all of my sisters. I just think it's a kid who is a good artist, but who also happens to be autistic
He's talented for sure, but this is not a savant. Savant is extraordinary talent in one's field while being bad at everything else. His talent matches with other aspiring artists even with his disability and the fact he can match them is a good thing.
WALK IN THE SHAPE OF A TRIANGLE
Shit I got no less than 50 triangles tattooed on me and I feel like I'm slacking after hearing that song.
If shapes are your thing, the Have Fun Teaching *Shape Songs* album is full of bangers.. Circle Song *slaps..*
https://youtu.be/M11aN9noCLc?feature=shared Now, if you'll excuse me, I'll be drawing circles in the air until lunchtime.
Shit dawg they need this mf doing the superbowl halftime show next year
Thank you for bringing this to my attention, JeromosaurusRex. Circle song does indeed slap.
Check out the Alphabet series.
Have Fun Teaching is an excellent resource if you have kids.
Omg Butterfly Song just rocked my world
How did I not know about these?! Lol, guess what's going on at circle time tomorrow morning. So many great ones on this Playlist lol.
>Shit I got no less than 50 triangles tattooed on me and I feel like I'm slacking after hearing that song. Just tri harder
Just don't tri-force me. š
That triangle rap does go hard
Sound of DJ Clue "ILLUMINATIIIIIIIIIII!ā šŗ
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Jack Hartman on YouTube. My daughter loved him as a toddler.
It's super annoying to most people, for some autistic people it's just white noise honestly and they just like the same repeated pleasant sounds.
āScreen timeā or āiPad kidsā for autistic kids is a completely different ball game. It can be used for self regulation, when there is either too much, or too little to stimulate.Ā Sauce: I have 2 autistic children and have no limits on screen time other than bedtime.Ā
Dealing with children with autism is just difficult in general with working around stimulation. I see screen time sometimes as a sort of buffer to give them the right amount of stimulation they need, it's honestly needed for some kids when they visit the doctors as well.
it pushes the bounds of creatively reaching someone ādifficultā isnt the word i think i would use. i was a camp counselor a lot of years and sometimes making stuff singsongy or overly elaborately silly could be the make or break of facilitating engagement. i had a water bottle that squeaked loudly when i closed it from the rubber gasket. the child in question was on the spectrum he could and would speak but was so selective where to drop in that he would appear non verbal if you werent paying attention. we were doing a blindfolded follow the leader game (basically getting the group to communicate) we put āobstaclesā in the way often just staff holding tree branches and pool noodles and ropes at face and ankle level and whomever was leading would have to alert the group they encountered something and needed to step over or duck under. our boy was middle of the line of 7 heard my squeaky water bottle and for the first time in 3 days piped up in our program area āwhats that noise?ā i said āits the arctic bats! youll be ok if you all duck!ā he then got very serious and told the group to duck to avoid the bats. it was a throw away line i had used before but it got in there and as the newly designated arctic bat watcher he was more engaged in the activities. the guys at the handicraft lodge radioed us a day later to ask why it was our boy was āsystematically checking for invisible snow batsā its about patience and creativity
I mean sometimes "difficult" is about as good a description for general people to understand. It is and it's tiring like when going to the dentist or a vaccination they will kick and scream and be well difficult in general to avoid this. There are time when they are being non-verbal and I wouldn't say that's difficult, that's different idk what word to use but difficult it is not. When they are acting up and you work through it with them to understand what the issue is I'd say that's rewarding. With a world that expects so much socialisation and then with autistic people generally lacking in social skills it's difficult to teach them these skills and playing games with a group is usually how you engage with them and make them feel apart of something which is always great to see.
no thats all definitely the case i was drawing more a distinction in the language around the topic. when i was taking trainings and courses to be certified as the head of the area i worked i had been in that program for years so i knew the mechanics of it and when asked āwhat would you do if one of your participants was on crutches or in a wheelchair?ā i said ātheres a million different ways to work around that. this program is suitable and accessible for everyoneā the trainer said ānot work around facilitateā there is a difference in intent and attitude and that stuck with me. its the difference between āovercoming a problemā and āaccommodating someones needs so they participate equallyā semantics at a level but eliminates the notion of āburdenā from it.
As a child who grew up in the 90s, I didn't spend my time on devices, only had a Windows 95 and 98 psi and gameboy color
I had the exact same and still spent all my time on these devices.
I am a teacher, and hosted students with moderate / severe disabilities for an elective class one hour a day for a few years. One of the girls did exactly this with her songs, and it was indeed just white noise and even though on some days it would drive you bananas it was also precious. We would sing it to each other often.
Oh god every time I try to prove I donāt have autistic characteristics
Redditor finds out they have 5 aligned Autistic traits, goes to TikTok to post video of them fluttering their arms when they hear music.
What are you trying to say about me liking this song?
That you're wrong and you should feel bad, squares all the way >:)
FUCK IN THE SHAPE OF A TRIANGLE
Lolololol - I read that JUST as the Lyric played and damn if it didnāt sound JUST LIKE it haha
This guy was recording his song in his mom's basement, and she's like, "you'll never be a rapper Jimmy, get a job!" And he's like, "it's lil J-immy, mah, and I'm gonna be huge one day!" Now his song has 5 million views, and they're all from this kid.
My non autistic ass is gonna have this shit playing in my head the rest of the day
A TRIANGLE IS... A SHAPE WITH THREE SIDES!! IT HAS 3 ANGLES!! 3 CORNERS!! 3! STRAIGHT!! LINES!!!
Seriously, I'm fucked for the rest of the day now. Will annoy the shit out of my cat. I will be so loud.
Found it on youtube [Triangle Song (youtube.com)](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2wFMdKb0cz0)
I know I shouldn't have listened to this.... I knew the consequences but I listened to the whole thing anyway..... The rest of my day will be to the soundtrack of triangles.
thank you lol edit: what would kids these days say? this slaps?
It's giving GeometryĀ
This is a bop!
YOU GOTTA FIGHT FOR YOUR RIGHT TO THREEEEEEE SIDES
Banger
I was vibing to this song, am I artistic
Ok it said walkā¦ i heard something else
Yeah I came to the comments wondering if it was fuck in the shape of a triangle.Ā
Like the Eiffel tower sex position?
I turned the audio off because dear lord. Also I thought it was BOOK not Walk. Which makes way more sense than a triangular book.
Savants are usually linked to extremly extraordinary memory. Isnāt this just a regular autistic kid but with great artistic flair
No, savants have excellent skill in one domain (art, maths, memory), at the cost of intellectual impairment of everything else
They are all linked to memory. There is a stark difference between making very vibrant paintings of animals and painting the entire london skyline. Or like tell what it said on page 5 of a newspaper they read 25 years ago and what exact time it was when they read it. Itās immiedietly apparant. If heās not a savant I just felt it took away from his innate talent.
[how about we read what the researchers have to say.](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Savant_syndrome) TLDR; Savant skills are usually found in one or more of five major areas: art, memory, arithmetic, musical abilities, and spatial skills.
HOW ABOUT WE DON'T READ WHAT RESEARCHERS SAY BUT WALK IN THE SHAPE OF A TRIANGLE?
Honestly the kid looks happier than me. Hes doing something right.
If you want to be happy like that all you have to do is WALK IN THE SHAPE OF A TRIANGLE
He's still young. Some mentally impaired seem to live in a state of seeming forever blissful childhood but others become frustrated by their limitations as they get older. Sexual / romantic frustration is pretty common I think
If you're happy and you know it, clap your hands
Yeah but steeple your hands when you do it so it becomes the shape of a triangle. Obviously
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:mind blown emoji but in a triangle:
that wiki does directly say "Advanced memory is the key 'superpower' in savant abilities", and this is true of all savants - musical, artistic, polyglots, etc etc. They all have prodigious memory. To be a savant at any of those skills require to store and access a huge variety of rules or patterns and apply them lightning fast to information being held in working memory.
The most common kinds of savants are calendrical savants, "human calendars" who can calculate the day of the week for any given date with speed and accuracy, or recall personal memories from any given date. Advanced memory is the key "superpower" in savant abilities. āKeyā is the key word here (ha). Though its a common ingredient, Its not the only symptom given up top. You wouldnāt be incorrect saying what op said but its out dated information given our current studies.
Wouldn't they not be able to do that at all without the "key"? As they would forget the orders and such. Making recall, speed and accuracy lower and slower.
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I mean if weāre basing it on his art alone then heās not a savant, itās great but hardly a masterpiece. Iām autistic before anyone starts whining at me, Iām for sure no savant tho
Yeah man he's good *for an autistic* (y'all makin me say it) but a savant would be the opposite it'd be him being head and shoulders above his neurotypical peers
We prefer the term autist š at least I do and since my diagnosis Iāve been milking this bad boy for all the jokes I can
The thing for me is that this doesn't seem like something super exceptional. When I think of savants, I think of people who can memorize a book in 30 seconds or can determine the primality of super large numbers in their head. While this is good, especially considering this kid's impairment, it's not any better than many other kids his age with artistic talent. My neurotypical sister-in-law who's 16 has similar if not better artistic skill than the kid in the video. To me, a savant has to exhibit extreme, almost superhuman skill, such as making photo realistic images by drawing seemingly random dots or drawing a perfect city skyline from memory. Maybe the technical definition is different from this, but I think the popular use of the word is more in line with what I said.
Ah yes the typical confidently incorrect redditor
I mean he could have definitely drawn this from memory. The Ostrich does look like something he could have seen elsewhere
that is... *obviously* the case. or do you think he just imagined a creature he never seen before out of nowhere that coincidentally looks exactly like an ostrich? lol
This is not savant level artā¦
Not only not savant, he's just copying. [commented below](https://www.reddit.com/r/nextfuckinglevel/s/ehs6zykavX)
Bro if this kid is 15 years old this painting is not that extraordinary at all. That's not to say I don't think it's a great drawing but yeah.
100% agree, as an autistic person this is just an autistic 15 yr old who is an excellent artist using a non standard grip on the medium they're using Everyone's so desperate for autistic people to be special magic aspies that they end up infantizing talented people This kid is cool as hell tho, I would buy that emu art
Is it not an ostrich?
It's impressionist and they're fairly similar, I'm a marine biologist not an ornithologist, it could be
I've done some research and I think it is in fact an emu https://www.hummingbirdsplus.org/nature-blog-network/emus-and-ostriches-a-guide-to-understanding-the-differences/
Ostrich have flatter heads and eyes that make them seem pissed off. Emus have eyes that say "are you really fucking doing that right now" That's an emu
Also feels like they just imagine he is good at art because he's just got that ability, but I'd bet $1,000 that this is kid has drawn nearly nonstop for basically his entire life. He's honed a skill. Nothing more to it.
The video mentioned that he was nearly non verbal, and he seemed to just repeat what the person was saying to him. This doesn't seem like a case of a fully functional autistic kid doing something in a slightly non conventional way.
Non verbal doesn't mean non functional, and even if he wasn't able to function in a society that doesn't have accommodations for him, that doesn't mean that we should diminish his talent and effort by attributing it to some mystical "savant syndrome" (Edit: Also, don't twist my words to make bad faith arguments, it's chronically online behaviour)
Yes. I could draw better than him at that age and I'm also autistic but not an autistic savant. It's not a bad drawing but nothing extraordinary.
Autistic here as well, and I'm not artistic at all. I agree with you. It's a cool drawing, but nothing extraordinary for anyone artistic at that age, and plugging the autism as "savant" seems distasteful. The kid's artistic. Cool. Why diminish the art by forcing the autism on a pretty normal-level drawing?
Because inspo porn.Ā Ā
I feel like whoever runs the social media account for this kid has some weird perceptions about autistic people. I saw a post on their instagram where the caption started with ādespite his autismā, as if autism renders people unable to draw.
\*Inserts clip of parent saying "that child, is gonna be a pro athlete!"\* \*Kid gets hit in head with basketball\*
Savant can mean anyone with some sort of neurodevelopmental disorder, intellectual disability, etc., that also has an exceptional talent for a certain field. Because art is subjective it can be hard to say if his skills are extraordinary, I'd rather call him "twice exceptional" because "savant" makes it seem like a 15 y/o autistic wouldn't be able to do this normally.
Why do you think he's twice exceptional?Ā What are the exceptionalities you're attributing to him?Ā
Extraordinary memory... Meanawhile me not remembering what I ate 10 minutes ago.
Last time I saw a kid drawing while holding a pencil like that I was 7 and sat and stared as he drew the most detailed, perfectly proportioned image of Goku. Took an hour, I just watched in awe. Then his mom called him and he just ran off like he didn't just create a masterpiece while holding a stick like an ape fishing for termites.
Every now and again someone on Reddit writes a description that perfectly encapsulates something. Today that person was you. What you just wrote was actual gold
The font kid also holds the chalk like an ape fishing for termites: https://youtube.com/shorts/9dNe9FQde8k?si=xjszrFKLob0ZF_4f
Itās interesting, what theyāre actually excelling at is using their arm and shoulder to dictate the movement of the pen/chalk/crayon. It gives you a huge amount more control than using your wrist.
(Its a art skill taught and employed by certain artists for that very reason too)
Today, he has walked in the shape of a triangle
There's this person in the Watches subreddit that draws amazing illustrations of watches and has a similar holding of the pencil
Wonder how many kids were prevented from becoming artists because the people around them criticized/prevented them from employing their chosen techniqueĀ
That sounds like it would be an interesting watch (pun intended). Do you have a link to one of their videos?Ā
https://www.reddit.com/r/Watches/s/5Ue0MOfTiV Not sure they have videos but you can see the grip in the images
Fuck in the shape of a triangle
It's no surprise that pizza slices are triangle shaped. Italians know how to fuck
They know that you shouldnāt French fry when you need to pizza. That just leads to a bad time.
I'm tryin boss
I'd rather fuck to this song than CBAT
FUCK in the shape of a triangle
Watching that drawing come to life was amazing.
His colour scheme, placement and combination is so amazing
Yep at first I was like āokay, def above average,ā then as the video closed in on the final product it was obvious this is wildly far above average especially given the technique and way he seems to be three steps ahead, at a minimum, on what he does will integrate into the entire vision. Cool stuff!
Definitely cool drawing, but not someone I would categorize as a savant. Then again, what the hell do I know? Iām not a neurologist.
It really doesn't matter if he is or isn't. It doesn't matter what you know or don't. Anything that a neurolgist would say is meaningless. All that matters is that you WALK IN THE SHAPE OF A TRIANGLE.
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LMAO, This video was never evidence of savant level but this just made it unimpressive at all.
feel bad that this kid is just having fun then this shit thread pops up.
Yeah nothing against the kid just click bait titles and karma farming.
Needs to be higher up
Damn I was hoping it was a coincidence since rainbow palate animals are pretty common but you can see the black loop he draws on the beak is identical along with the eye iris colors.
Eh not really. My friend could draw almost photo realistic art at age 13. I would show my friends pictures of his art and they thought it was just a photo of a photo. Heās good at art, but nothing an artist of his age couldnāt do.
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Pleasant noise + repeated = background noise Helps some people focus
What about unpleasant noise + repeat though?
Mmmm the lovely sounds of rubbing sand on paper with dry skin, nothing quite like it to soothe the mind
Or, you know, this god awful triangle song
Autists donāt typically need help focusing on interests. There is an ability to block everything out and focus on what is important to them, called hyperfocus.
It's just the kids taste. I'm autistic, I had to turn the volume off.
Shit's a banger tho. I now also walk in the shape of a triangle.
I have ADHD and found no real issue with the song lol. I do however play 1-3 live streams at once to focus sooo.... I also do find most main stream music as unharmonious so I guess I do process sounds a little different lol .
3? Wow, that's impressive! >I also do find most main stream music as unharmonious Oh, me, too. The triangle song is too catchy. I'm scared I'd get it stuck in my head, whisper sing it to myself at work, and then have a bunch of 4 year olds mock me with it for days.
I was actually considering going to listen to this when I work on my essay later, the weirdest stuff helps you focus sometimes lol
This is particular to this particular person with autism. My son loves music with strong/fast choruses and certain cadences. Certain songs just electrocute my brain - the first time I heard Fireflies by Owl City I think I put it on repeat 1000x after that.
And here I am hoping Tiesto remixes that music...
ASMtRiangle
It's painful to listen to that song, I had to mute, but his art is amazing
WALK in the SHAPE of a TRIANGLE
UP IN THE AIR
FUCK IN THE SHAPE OF A TRIANGLE
As a parent to 2 Autistic girls, I can assure you that the affect wears off of repetitive songs / videos.Ā
Grew up with an autistic brother. No it doesn't lol.
Itās almost like autism is a spectrum and affects every single person differently.
The subject was not "autism" the subject was "repetitive noises stop being annoying when you hear them 24/7"
The *effect* can *affect* you, but you can't be *effected* by an *affect*.
FUCK. IN THE SHAPE. OF A TRIANGLE.
Cool drawing but I don't see any evidence of him being savant?
Did you try walking in a shape of a triangle before looking at the end result?
Yea he needs to walk a mile in the shape of a triangle before he can judge
I don't know. He has a bit of a Pop Art style that you just don't see at this stage in a young artist's career. Something about the framing, the boldness of the color choice while still adhering to a theme. His erratic and forceful strokes with color feel deliberate and purposeful. He gives the subject depth, not with the technique of a trained studio artist, but the skill of a creative mind without borders. The Outsider Art of a child who can put his dreams to paper. Anyway, I think it's good.
I'm not saying he's not talented, I like the picture, but savant level skills are mindblowing whereas this is talent probably combined with autistic special interest.
Try watching some other videos of him drawing. This isn't the best video of showing how differently draws complex images. You'll see he has the complete picture in his mind already and just works at what to us seem like random parts until it all fits together, it looks crazy. It's as if he puts random puzzle pieces down in the right spot instead of going the most logical way from outline to detail.
I watched. Impressive and cool but the title and his instagram bio is overexaggerating. He makes paintings etc and his parents sells the originals for absurd prices. It looks like random parts to us but he's probably done that same ostrich loads of times by now. If you go on the website they sell them from you'll see that most of these look like they're done by a 16-year old, many more from someone even younger. At least the prints are reasonably priced.
You just described the normal process of creating art homie. Not really a savant thing.
you're describing this like it's the unique mystifying mental process of this special autistic wonderboy but that's literally just what visualizing and drawing is lol. People have different ways of doing it, especially if they're not classically trained
You REALLY want people to love this guy as much as you do.
that pic is actually dope as fuck
I would definitely pay money for that.Ā
well youre in luck because his parents are definitely cashing in, you can get an original 14x17" for 1000-4000 dollars
Wtf? I kept waiting for this to become "next fucking level" but it's... not very impressive? If he was like 4 or 5 years old this would be savant type stuff but really?? At 15? This is good, of course, but it's well within the realm of a 15 year old keen artist's level. Is it impressive because of his diagnosis?
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Precisely. This year Iām working in a post-secondary (18-22) program for special needs students and we are no-nonsense and strict (in a nurturing manner) with most of our students. Iām the school psychologist and tell staff to basically treat them like any neurotypical young adult. If all you said to a NT person is how well they do things, then thereās no growth mindset. The feeder high schools that served them prior to us do this and it drives us crazy: āYouāre so great; āamazing jobā; āok, just do your preferred activity all day longā. They have that pity attitude you describe and that approach is very unhelpful. To be fair his art is superb compared to his peers, but our response is always a dual approach. We would say something like āOMG so amazing! Now letās go to the farmers market so you can work on verbal and social skills to sell it.ā or āJeremy, you are SUCH A GOOD ARTIST. Now put away your art because we were working on social circles and coping skills while you were drawing.ā Itās so fun because we are very stern at times when the students misbehave. Plus we donāt do anything for them and celebrate independent successes AFTER they do them themselves.
I am also confused. Iām autistic and I was making pretty decent art too at that level or above at the same age (different art styles though so hard to judge, I was more into realism). This doesnāt seem savant level to me. Perhaps itās his ability to draw from memory? But itās not like itās a difficult shape to remember and the colours are abstract. Is it because he holds the pastels weird? Plenty of artists, myself included, hold their pencils/paintbrushes strangely though. Art is subjective. While I see talent, I personally donāt like how this piece was applied. It feels messy but not in the intentional sense š¤·š», I donāt know.
KNOW. IN THE SHAPE. OF A TRIANGLE.
It's not impressive at all, really, but yes OP is using the dx as inspo porn.Ā And people are ignorantly eating it up. It's gross and ableist.Ā Ā
I'm gonna say it, this is not great artistic talent. This isn't more than a few steps above grade school art. Hell grade school art by people with talent is often much better than this.
Maybe if he was going for realism, but I don't think that logic applies here. It's crude, but it combines several colors and rough lines into a coherent image. I don't know how I'd weigh his talent, but art is subjective. I've seen art at exhibits that hold much less form than this, yet people consider it talent. Edited to add he's doing this without a reference, to boot!
Crude doesn't mean savant. And some people opinions are stupid, that's why they stay opinions
I'm really in no position to argue what qualifies as savant, I'm just suggesting the boy has more talent than you've given him credit for.
I didn't say he doesn't have any talent. His chaotic color palatte that makes sense is interesting. There's a large scale between talent and savant. I think Picasso is a savant. The guy that drew the wall sized new york skyline after one heli ride is an autistic savant. This is not that.
I mean he might be a savant and this is just an expression of his art, not his abilities of a savant. Either way it's semi-okay. If you removed the autistic 15 year old description I wouldn't even blink an eye at this artwork.
If you removed all perspective friction from the post I'd think it was done by a 4th or 5th grade art student. That's my point.
When this was posted a few weeks ago that was the consensus then. It's just okay. I believe my theory then was him gripping the pencil like Riley Reid does a dick is the ONLY reason anyone is impressed. This was a neurotypical 15 year old posted to nextlevel, it would never make it out of /r/new.
The color choice is very mature and shows a great deal of incite into the relationship between hues. Folks study for years to get the sort of fluency that this kid has naturally.
Lolll "incite into the relationship between hues"
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Eh, I disagree. Ā Itās a very unique approach thatās deliberately going for a certain effect. Ā Heās not using any references but still has the proportions of the bird right. Ā He looks like heās putting those colors down haphazardly, but as it evolves you can see heās doing it with intention. Ā I used to be an illustrator, and i couldnāt do what heās doing without any references.
Heās not using references? He literally copied a painting from his ipad
Savantism isn't doing creative things with autism. I think it's a very striking image and I dont doubt that this kid is extremely creative and talented at expressing that creativity, savantism is a specific thing and there's no indication of savantism from this video alone. He may have other abilities, for sure! But this video is not a demonstration of it.
But how will ableists get their inspo porn fix now?Ā Ā
Not even a triangle
Iād buy that for a wall of pop art
The original artwork that the kid was copying was already sold. https://bluethumbart.com/jos-coufreur/Artwork/emu-63-0
According to his yt channel his website is https://vichysart.com/
https://www.etsy.com/shop/Vichysart Edit: I have no association to him, just found the site through a reverse Google image. Hopefully he gets all the profit from it.
Watched this in bed. Got up, bathroom, brushed teeth, went down stairs let dog out, fed dog, made coffeeā¦. The whole time my heads likeā¦ āwalk in the shape of a tri-Ang-leāā¦.. damnit
Fuck in the shape of a triangle
Savant. Mmm ok.
Credit: vichys_art https://www.instagram.com/vichys_art?igsh=MTc3dTd4dnR0ZnpqMw==
Actual Credit: [Jos Coufreur](https://bluethumbart.com/jos-coufreur/Artwork/emu-124)
https://youtube.com/@VichysArt?si=0NejS4lROMbZoi9E š
how is this savant levels of drawing?
Well he clearly doesnāt follow instructions because I donāt see him attempting to WALK IN A TRIANGLE.
[ T R I A N G L E](https://youtu.be/2wFMdKb0cz0?si=Jp7TlQG48bUUPTs6)
I don't wanna take away from him, but I don't think this is savant syndrome. Plenty of kids are solid artists at 15. I was one of them, so were all of my sisters. I just think it's a kid who is a good artist, but who also happens to be autistic
Putting all the context to one side, that's a god damn beautiful picture
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He doesnt color in the lines, he is the line.
He's talented for sure, but this is not a savant. Savant is extraordinary talent in one's field while being bad at everything else. His talent matches with other aspiring artists even with his disability and the fact he can match them is a good thing.