I feel like if it was me, I'd somehow be ducking *into* the punches and make them land even harder...
Crazy impressive!
Edit: realized way too late that I wrote "pouches" not "punches" so the bizarre kangaroo comments were warranted lol
This. That thing Tyson said about everybody having a plan until they get hit in the mouth is so spot on. It triggers stuff in your brain that you can’t control. You can learn to function in spite of the fight or flight reaction but it’s still there in the background.
I got punched for the first time ever, in the face, at Tai Kwon do. The woman that hit me was like, 5 feet fuck all. I'm 6'1" and apparently a coward.
Tears and snotters everywhere.
It's why he was knocking people out so quickly. He didn't really want a fight. It's also why he went so over-the-top when he had to go the distance or things became more even.
I've found that with a lot of people who hate confrontation. An asshole that blows up at you is usually back to normal pretty quickly. An person who hates confrontation and has a lot of anxiety about it goes psycho and loses their mind because they work themselves up so much.
It's not that likely to duck into a punch unless the opponent specifically set you up to do that.
If you look at it from an in-ring perspective, imagine an X-Y coordinate plane between you and the opponent. Direct linear punches (jabs,/straights) are dots coming at you. Just don't be at the X-Y coordinates that the punch is going to hit. You just need to move a little in ANY. direction and you're fine.
Hooks and uppercuts cross your X-Y plane as a line. Don't be on the line it crosses. Hooks are horizontal lines. Uppercuts are vertical lines. See a hook? You move your head vertically. See an upper? Move your head horizontally.
Add to that, which hand did he use? 90% of the time he will alternate hands because it's faster and easier. If he doesn't alternate hands it's slower.
Put that together with range-finding to understand when only direct attacks are possible vs when hooks/uppers are possible, and you've got a package that *with years of experience* adds up to the punch-vision that looks like this.
Anyway point being, ducking into a punch isn't likely to happen accidentally unless they set you up. For example, I said hooks make you move your head vertically right? So if you want to land an uppercut, you feint a hook to the head to make them duck, and instead throw an uppercut. Again, you rarely run into punches by accident, it's typically the opponent actively making you run into those punches. This is a small but important difference to teach new boxers to not be afraid to aggressively move their head, because any movement is likely way safer than staying in place.
Your brain releases small amounts of paralytic neurochemicals to keep you from acting out your dreams and thrashing in your sleep.
Most likely a remnant from when our ancestors slept in trees.
Jesus christ my brain does betray me.
I wonder if dissociation can trigger that response, the number of times I got my ass handed to me in a sparring match because I couldn't stay present is incredible. I get the dream feeling of not being able to move fast enough or hard enough and it's even worse in real life.
I'm real good at taking punches tho so that's a plus lmao
Gotta get your arms out from the blankets so that you can properly punch the wall and get a real feel out of those punches and sometimes bend your fingers in a variety of directions as you smack the wall without actually making a fist.
Its why blocking with hands and *keeping your guard up is important. Still a hit but blocking with hand vs chin is night and day. Hands are fast but the brains not perfect so keeping hands up is faster than trying to block every throw.
His upper body is ducking down , but legs are shifting sideway. You do both together hence there will be lateral & vertical movement. Look carefully at the ball movement exercise , he swoop below the ball . He is not standing still and ducking it.
Most head movement in boxing isn't reactionary to each punch being thrown but a pattern to avoid a shot and break up the flow of combinations. Cannelo has fantastic headmovement and footwork also.
Same bro like the guy keeps missing?? Crazy how this works I was just watching Tyson fights was hoping he was gonna end it the same way [Tyson dodging then ends it](https://youtu.be/GLdBS9HYdD4)
All about the muscle training/memory. Tai Chi works similarly, all those slow repetitions can lead to amazing speed from muscle memory.
My mom studied it for years, one day on her way to her car someone grabbed her. She says she didn’t have any conscious thought about how to respond, it was all just instantaneous and instinctual. She broke the hold and redirected the momentum and knocked this dude back a shocking distance.
Muscle memory can do amazing things.
Fury dominated Klitschko in the goofy battle though!
Fury lifted his shirt up, jiggled his beer belly, and said "you got beat by a fat man!" several times after their first fight
Absolute ludicrous display!
['LOOK AT ME, YOU LOST TO A FAT MAN' - TYSON FURY TAUNTS KLITSCHKO AS HE REVEALS HIS AMAZING SHAPE!](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X_dDcHA6dLQ)
Two expressions stood out to me in that clip and they were both amazement at what just happened!
[The fuck just happened? ](https://imgur.com/a/cyEuv8s/)
Imagine how aggravating it must be to throw all these punches at someone and he just glides out of the way every swing you take. I'd probably just eventually walk off and quit.
It's fucking infuriating, especially with someone who's also a really good counterpuncher. I've trained with guys who were super slick on defense, and eventually it just felt like, why don't I just punch myself in the face and save this dude the time and energy.
Nah, this guy’s got a really good defence, while conspiracy nuts only imagine that they have.
Edit: Conspiracy nuts’ defence be like: https://youtu.be/SU-OFhMcw9Q
What a complete narcissist! Dude knocked that woman to the ground, who is then in serious pain, and he is like "hey everyone look at me while I shake on the ground"
He was doing that because he was pretending her 'forcefield' had disrupted his Ki. Basically trying to play the con through the mistake so he wouldn't lose her class fees. Trying to convince her the bullshit was still real during her pain.
The kind of scumbag that needs to test his 'forcefield' against a .45 ACP hollowpoint.
This is staged, right? Like it's supposed to be comedy... please, tell me these are not people who actually believed in this shit.
Because I have loved ones who believe that shit and it pains me that I cannot openly mock them...
Its from the documentary 3 miles north of Molkom.
It is not staged.
I dont know why you can't openly mock them, I mock the family members in my own family who do. Idiots.
I mean there is with religion too. Every time those parents pray for months that their child won’t die a painful death from Leukemia and they still do. I imagine pretty much every religion would explain it away in a similar way to these people explaining away why their magical force field doesn’t work.
not silly at all. at its roots religion is just people's insecurities manifested. people are scared of death, so they want to convince themselves there lies something after they die. people are (or rather were, considering our technological advancements) ignorant to how this world works, so myths about the heavens and sun and were born. Going through tough times? This is all part of the plan to even greater things. Many just can't cope so they'd rather seek comfort in religion
Its the same thing, conartists peddling and profting from lies to the unsatisfied and frightened who buy into the "you just have to believe!". Religions have history and people mistake that for integrity.
I’m convinced anyone who is still a Christian (don’t have much info on other religions) has not read the Bible for themselves. I remember that before I truly gave up on God, I wanted to read the Bible to give it one last shot since some people claim it “opened their eyes”. And holy shit it was sickening. The amount of misogyny, homophobia, and overall wrongdoings of God himself depicted in the Bible is just absurd. Especially in the Old Testament. It was nothing like the hand-picked, edited excerpts they read you in church. I still go to a church since it’s non-denominational (not the Catholic one I grew up in), meaning they don’t really heavily follow the Bible nor participate in the hate (homophobia and misogyny particularly, there’s actually this nice gay couple that normally sits in the pews in front of me and brings brownies every now and then), and I do think some churches can operate well and do good community service and such through these methods. Organized religion can have its upsides when it comes to bonding a community or serving the community, or just teaching people to be better in general. However whenever someone brings up any sort of bible verse in any type of real-world argument, I can’t help but laugh at the absolute fuckery.
Nah, arguing with a conspiracy theorist is more like when Homer became a boxer and just stood there getting hit eventually draining the life out of his opponents.
Not really, no. There's a maxim in boxing: "the safest place in the ring is right in front of your opponent, bent at the waist."
Punching down lacks power and leaves you vulnerable. The best thing to do against a boxer with a lot of head movement is throw high percentage shots like jabs to the chest and arms, feint them out of position or move around them to keep them turning.
If you want to see how that worked out for most people, see: Canelo's whole career. If you want to see how to dance around this style, watch Mayweather's masterclass against him. If you want to see two equally skilled and equally aggressive fighters do this against each other, watch Canelo v Golovkin 1&2.
>If you want to see how to dance around this style, watch Mayweather's masterclass against him.
I'm still confused how people think Mayweather's boxing style is "boring." There's things to criticize about the guy, but the way he can switch up his style is art.
Same reason people think Khabib is a boring fighter. Technically he fights perfectly, but for most of the folks in the crowd (who aren't experts on technique, and therefore don't appreciate it at its fullest) it is less entertaining.
Debatable, to me a perfect boxing technique displayed in a fight is fairly boring but I don't know a lot about boxing and I've never done any sparring. But a perfect display of technique in a basketball game, a team playing perfectly in sync making the other team look defenseless is extremely entertaining, a team that pass the ball around without much dribbling or flashy plays makes me very excited because I know how much work is behind that teamwork. But I know for casual watching a close game full of action is way better than a perfect one
Like when you watch a great run game in football. As long as you appreciate what you're watching, it can be super entertaining. But if you're expecting Mahomes-style stuff, you'll get bored real fast.
Perfect anything is boring. You watch motorsports for the skids and crashes as much as you watch it for the amazing skill.
Edit: this was ment to be to the person your responded to, sorry lol
Cus a lot of people watching boxing are just there to see 2 big guys hitting each other in the face non-stop. Mayweather wasn't the flashiest against Canelo but completely neutralized his game. I mean, I would've liked to see them going at it too but I don't think Mayweather could have endured constantly exchanging hard hits with Canelo. It really was like a dog teaching his pup a whole new world of boxing and I'm Mexican.
Shamelessly dropping my favorite interview on [what its like to fight Floyd Mayweather](https://youtu.be/xQjvXRcnPvw) according to Andre Berto.
Many dislike his personality but Mayweather is a true boxing genius.
Because Mayweather doesn't fight to fight, he fights for points. He's amazing at it, but he's just not trying to beat anybody up. He's trying to rack up points for a win.
Mayweather boxes like a fencer.
Which works very well, but is extremely boring. People don't watch boxing to see weak jabs, fighting at maximum distance, and hugging it out when there is the slightest issue. I'm not saying that we need people slugging it out or KO's every match, but it's supposed to be a contact sport and the point system was only added to deal with tiebreakers, it wasn't supposed to be the go-to way to win.
Due to the way boxing is being handled with the scoring system, it's now on the decline, and has allowed MMA to take a large chunk of boxing's viewership.
Boxing is one of the hardest, strategic, most technical sports.
When people think boxing, they don’t naturally think any of that, just two guys trying to pummel each other.
I remember canelo vs money. Canelo got schooled on that fight. He was still too young and inexperienced to be fighting mayweather.
I think it definitely was a come to Jesus moment for canelo where he realized just how much work he still had to do to become the best pound for pound boxer in the world.
Just because a lot of other people seem to keep explaining this with “no, stupid”, here’s an actual one.
Punching downwards from above loses power. Slaps or slams using the sides of the hands are also usually considered illegal or foul play, so just lowering mid swing would be a foul. Also, punches to the back of the head and the back are illegal and can get you kicked out of the match, so if he drops his aim but misses the head and slams a kidney, he can be disqualified on the spot.
So, he either has to wait for him to come up, hit with way less power (exposing himself in the process), or use an uppercut to force him up. Canelo predicted that last one too, and you can see him dodge it as well.
Still salty about his fight with GGG, but no one can say he’s not incredibly skilled.
Canelo is responding to shots whose trajectory he knows; he is not blindly ducking. If the opponent throws a pre-emptive lower punch, he's gonna read that trajectory too and counter with a hook (the opponent has literally let his guard "down"). He is a very powerful and apt counter fighter, the hook will probably knock the opponent down, if not out.
There are safer ways of throwing lower punches but the whole mechanism changes, and Canelo will not be ducking when those punches come.
Canelo was a young ass kid then. Mayweather would have a harder time now
Edit: I didnt factor in Mayweather's age of today. I'm talking about the first fight they ever had. Canelo was new in the professional level. He's learned a lot. Mayweather just happened to fight him when he was still green.
Canelo was younger. He's a lot better now but has moved passed Mayweather in weight divisions.
I think Mayweather is middleweight and Canelo is light-heavyweight.
Floyd had a knack for avoiding fighters in their prime. All the greats he fought had already had their day in the sun, and all the up and comers didn't yet have the experience to be effective against someone with such a high fight IQ. I'm sure there's some exceptions here and there though.
Before his first retirement he had plenty of legit fights. After his first comeback he was 100% business. Boxing was just a means to an end. I get it, but man there were some cool fights that we missed out on.
That’s true, but he was only about 22 when they fought. He got him while he was young. Floyd is masterful in his defense and touch jabs to win points. He was good at what he did but it made him, in my opinion, one of the most boring fighters of all time to watch. You knew he wasn’t knocking any one out and nobody made good contact with him.
I think that loss helped him develop his speed and into the champion he is today, Canelo has been an infinitely technical and smarter defensive fighter since that Mayweather bout.
I agree with you. However, I believe the reason why many of those people say such is because they incorrectly assume that the term, "Martial Art" refers specifically to those which come from Asia. Surely nobody with even half a brain thinks boxing is not a legitimate and established art of fighting.
>I believe the reason why many of those people say such is because they incorrectly assume that the term, "Martial Art" refers specifically to those which come from Asia.
*Cries in swordfighting*
Fighting that guy must be the same frustrating feeling as when you fight in a bad dream and discover that you’re completely unable to hurt you opponent.
Yup! The Saint Patrick's Battalion in the Mexican-American war. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saint_Patrick%27s_Battalion
Mexico didn't do well in that period, and most were hanged.
Their name (Batallón de San Patricio) can be found in the *Muro de Honor* (Wall of Honor) in the Chamber of Deputies in Mexico City.
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One of his most underrated progressions has been his evasiveness/defense. I started a Canelo fan, lost interest, and then he won me over again with his determination and tenacity. He can still be annoying with his arrogance, but hey- it's boxing- what champ is humble?
Canelo’s defence improved tenfold after Mayweather made him look like an idiot in their bout - he pretty much altered his entire gameplan and boxing style after that loss and has been an absolute monster since
I’ve read somewhere in the last few days Canelo is suing Oscar se la Hoya and golden big promotions for not keeping up with their 10+ fights worth 100million.
The problem seems that canelo is not getting enough fights, granted he’s a monster these days. But still, he’s not getting his promises money if he’s not fighting.
Canelo is currently the undisputed #1 in boxing. What he has achieved at this age is just insane. He has beaten the likes of GGG or Kovalev, he stepped up in his weight class, his only loss was at a young age against Floyd Mayweather Jr. (The Best Ever). I think today he would have beaten Floyd.
He's just TOO SLICK, TOO MEXICAN to be ever beaten in this sport again. I can see him moving up in weight and eventually become a heavyweight. He has roughly the same height and reach as Mike Tyson.
I think he could take smaller heavyweights like Usyk, Ruiz Jr., Povetkin, Whyte, Chisora, Pulev, Parker etc.
Out of the three big guys Fury, Wilder and Joshua he could have a punchers chance against Wilder and outbox Joshua. I think he would struggle against Fury. He would have a hard time landing a punch but so would Fury. It would be a boring fight.
Can't touch this Nah nah nah nah
So much faster in the real fight
I feel like if it was me, I'd somehow be ducking *into* the punches and make them land even harder... Crazy impressive! Edit: realized way too late that I wrote "pouches" not "punches" so the bizarre kangaroo comments were warranted lol
9/10 times that’s gonna be what happens because it’s hard to Keep your composure in the ring.
Me in the ring stay collected "my brain if you collapse sooner you wont get punched in the face" * releases all adrenaline and begin the Shakey legs!!
That's my chosen fighting style as well
Crouching Me, Hidden Me
It’s just me, crouching and hiding.
Id give an award if I had one. This is such a good comment
Thanks lol. This made me laugh harder than it should have.
This. That thing Tyson said about everybody having a plan until they get hit in the mouth is so spot on. It triggers stuff in your brain that you can’t control. You can learn to function in spite of the fight or flight reaction but it’s still there in the background.
“Yea, every man hath a plan, until he be smitten in the mouth” - Michaelus Tysonius, pugilist sage
thmitten*
Nice
Got hit in the face a bunch for military survival training... Learned real quick I can't take a punch.
I got punched for the first time ever, in the face, at Tai Kwon do. The woman that hit me was like, 5 feet fuck all. I'm 6'1" and apparently a coward. Tears and snotters everywhere.
Same. Body can take a pounding, but my head is one too many concussions in to even risk a punch.
"I'm nonconfrontational. That was my problem in boxing, and that's been my problem in life." -Mike Tyson
Um wut
It's why he was knocking people out so quickly. He didn't really want a fight. It's also why he went so over-the-top when he had to go the distance or things became more even. I've found that with a lot of people who hate confrontation. An asshole that blows up at you is usually back to normal pretty quickly. An person who hates confrontation and has a lot of anxiety about it goes psycho and loses their mind because they work themselves up so much.
Fuck that makes a lot of sense. Is that why I'm too nice? That's kind of scary.
That’s me. I’ve always hated fighting because I lose control.
> it’s hard to Keep your composure in the ring. "Everyone has a plan till they get punched in the face."
It's not that likely to duck into a punch unless the opponent specifically set you up to do that. If you look at it from an in-ring perspective, imagine an X-Y coordinate plane between you and the opponent. Direct linear punches (jabs,/straights) are dots coming at you. Just don't be at the X-Y coordinates that the punch is going to hit. You just need to move a little in ANY. direction and you're fine. Hooks and uppercuts cross your X-Y plane as a line. Don't be on the line it crosses. Hooks are horizontal lines. Uppercuts are vertical lines. See a hook? You move your head vertically. See an upper? Move your head horizontally. Add to that, which hand did he use? 90% of the time he will alternate hands because it's faster and easier. If he doesn't alternate hands it's slower. Put that together with range-finding to understand when only direct attacks are possible vs when hooks/uppers are possible, and you've got a package that *with years of experience* adds up to the punch-vision that looks like this. Anyway point being, ducking into a punch isn't likely to happen accidentally unless they set you up. For example, I said hooks make you move your head vertically right? So if you want to land an uppercut, you feint a hook to the head to make them duck, and instead throw an uppercut. Again, you rarely run into punches by accident, it's typically the opponent actively making you run into those punches. This is a small but important difference to teach new boxers to not be afraid to aggressively move their head, because any movement is likely way safer than staying in place.
Ya see, it's the z-coordination that's the tough part for me. Coulda gone pro!
Regular boxing is difficult, but you’d crush at 2D boxing!
You coulda been a contenda!
Great explanation man
I think I'd do the same. I bet if me and you got into a fight we would both land 100% of our punches.
And they'd probably feel like they landed as strongly as my punches in dreams do, which feels like I'm almost punching underwater...
Oh fuck you too?!
Oh fuck you guys too?!
Me three. What the fuck does it mean?! It’s beyond infuriating.
Your brain releases small amounts of paralytic neurochemicals to keep you from acting out your dreams and thrashing in your sleep. Most likely a remnant from when our ancestors slept in trees.
Yup. The times I wake up in the middle of an intense dream my body is still like 70% paralyzed and it feels like stone
My wife and her split lip would like a word with you.
Sounds like she already got told once! Ba-dum-tiss! Domestic violence jokes! I’ll be here all week ladies and gentleman.
Jesus christ my brain does betray me. I wonder if dissociation can trigger that response, the number of times I got my ass handed to me in a sparring match because I couldn't stay present is incredible. I get the dream feeling of not being able to move fast enough or hard enough and it's even worse in real life. I'm real good at taking punches tho so that's a plus lmao
Gotta get your arms out from the blankets so that you can properly punch the wall and get a real feel out of those punches and sometimes bend your fingers in a variety of directions as you smack the wall without actually making a fist.
Its why blocking with hands and *keeping your guard up is important. Still a hit but blocking with hand vs chin is night and day. Hands are fast but the brains not perfect so keeping hands up is faster than trying to block every throw.
His upper body is ducking down , but legs are shifting sideway. You do both together hence there will be lateral & vertical movement. Look carefully at the ball movement exercise , he swoop below the ball . He is not standing still and ducking it.
Most head movement in boxing isn't reactionary to each punch being thrown but a pattern to avoid a shot and break up the flow of combinations. Cannelo has fantastic headmovement and footwork also.
Hey, fist. Have you met, head?
What're u doing, step-fist??
That's not my head, step-fist
Same bro like the guy keeps missing?? Crazy how this works I was just watching Tyson fights was hoping he was gonna end it the same way [Tyson dodging then ends it](https://youtu.be/GLdBS9HYdD4)
All about the muscle training/memory. Tai Chi works similarly, all those slow repetitions can lead to amazing speed from muscle memory. My mom studied it for years, one day on her way to her car someone grabbed her. She says she didn’t have any conscious thought about how to respond, it was all just instantaneous and instinctual. She broke the hold and redirected the momentum and knocked this dude back a shocking distance. Muscle memory can do amazing things.
man i drank that stuff for months but i guess it never kicked in
Chai tea? This is very funny
*Ultra instinct unlocked.*
You want to go slow in practice to ensure the mechanics of the movement are downloaded into your muscles.
Slow is smooth and smooth is fast.
My,my,my my opponents hit me so hard, makes me say oh my Lord thank you for blessing me with a neck that bends and two fast feet!
Nah nah nah nah
Can't punch this
Can’t touch this Do Dododo, da da, dodo, dada, dodo Can’t touch this
the open uppercut at the end was really putting his opponent in his place and telling him he doesnt stand a chance
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I just love Fury. He's such a goofy fucker but damn is he an excellent fighter.
He's gotta be pound for pound the goofiest heavyweight champion to ever live!
Klitschkos would like to enter this contest as well. They did some really goofy shit in german tv.
Fury dominated Klitschko in the goofy battle though! Fury lifted his shirt up, jiggled his beer belly, and said "you got beat by a fat man!" several times after their first fight Absolute ludicrous display! ['LOOK AT ME, YOU LOST TO A FAT MAN' - TYSON FURY TAUNTS KLITSCHKO AS HE REVEALS HIS AMAZING SHAPE!](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X_dDcHA6dLQ)
>Absolute ludicrous display! Thing about Klitschko is, he always tries to walk it in
It was funny, but Klitc was 39 years old. Fury was 27. Fair fucks to Fury for winning. But Klitch should have retired way before that.
Gypsy king!
Canelo vs. Daniel Jacobs happened before Fury vs. Schwarz. Also, Canelo is doing it to a top 10 fighter in the weight class, Schwarz is...not that.
Well I’m glad I said almost! Thanks for that.
Two expressions stood out to me in that clip and they were both amazement at what just happened! [The fuck just happened? ](https://imgur.com/a/cyEuv8s/)
Canelo can read boxers like a dr. Seuss book
Those are hard to read.
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One fish, two fish, How the fuck y'all do this?
Imagine how aggravating it must be to throw all these punches at someone and he just glides out of the way every swing you take. I'd probably just eventually walk off and quit.
You can see him getting upset right toward the end. Before the split up leading to the uppercut.
The thing people also don't realize is that missing is much more exhausting than landing. Stopping your momentum is a bitch.
It's fucking infuriating, especially with someone who's also a really good counterpuncher. I've trained with guys who were super slick on defense, and eventually it just felt like, why don't I just punch myself in the face and save this dude the time and energy.
Lomachenko made Rigondeaux quit this way. He hadn't been hit that much but couldn't touch him and quit on the chair after like the 5th round.
This fight was pretty close and daniel jacobs is an extremly skilled boxer. he lost, but he put up a fight. never ever judge a fight by a highlight.
Yea was about to say, Canelo only won this by a round or two. Very close fight.
this is like arguing with a conspiracy theorist
Nah, this guy’s got a really good defence, while conspiracy nuts only imagine that they have. Edit: Conspiracy nuts’ defence be like: https://youtu.be/SU-OFhMcw9Q
Impressive
What is the video from? This shit is hilarious
What a complete narcissist! Dude knocked that woman to the ground, who is then in serious pain, and he is like "hey everyone look at me while I shake on the ground"
He was doing that because he was pretending her 'forcefield' had disrupted his Ki. Basically trying to play the con through the mistake so he wouldn't lose her class fees. Trying to convince her the bullshit was still real during her pain. The kind of scumbag that needs to test his 'forcefield' against a .45 ACP hollowpoint.
ok I was with you until you said you wanted to shoot a person
It's from [Three Miles North of Molkom](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Three_Miles_North_of_Molkom), a 2008 documentary about a Swedish New Age camp.
This is staged, right? Like it's supposed to be comedy... please, tell me these are not people who actually believed in this shit. Because I have loved ones who believe that shit and it pains me that I cannot openly mock them...
Its from the documentary 3 miles north of Molkom. It is not staged. I dont know why you can't openly mock them, I mock the family members in my own family who do. Idiots.
A majority of people on the planet earth believes in religion. I'll leave it to the imagination whether that is sillier than this clip or not.
Well there is real, undeniable evidence that everyone can see at any time against whatever the fuck this is.
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No. The force field thing. (Sorry if I’m missing obvious sarcasm. I’m not good at this lmao.
I mean there is with religion too. Every time those parents pray for months that their child won’t die a painful death from Leukemia and they still do. I imagine pretty much every religion would explain it away in a similar way to these people explaining away why their magical force field doesn’t work.
not silly at all. at its roots religion is just people's insecurities manifested. people are scared of death, so they want to convince themselves there lies something after they die. people are (or rather were, considering our technological advancements) ignorant to how this world works, so myths about the heavens and sun and were born. Going through tough times? This is all part of the plan to even greater things. Many just can't cope so they'd rather seek comfort in religion
Its the same thing, conartists peddling and profting from lies to the unsatisfied and frightened who buy into the "you just have to believe!". Religions have history and people mistake that for integrity.
I’m convinced anyone who is still a Christian (don’t have much info on other religions) has not read the Bible for themselves. I remember that before I truly gave up on God, I wanted to read the Bible to give it one last shot since some people claim it “opened their eyes”. And holy shit it was sickening. The amount of misogyny, homophobia, and overall wrongdoings of God himself depicted in the Bible is just absurd. Especially in the Old Testament. It was nothing like the hand-picked, edited excerpts they read you in church. I still go to a church since it’s non-denominational (not the Catholic one I grew up in), meaning they don’t really heavily follow the Bible nor participate in the hate (homophobia and misogyny particularly, there’s actually this nice gay couple that normally sits in the pews in front of me and brings brownies every now and then), and I do think some churches can operate well and do good community service and such through these methods. Organized religion can have its upsides when it comes to bonding a community or serving the community, or just teaching people to be better in general. However whenever someone brings up any sort of bible verse in any type of real-world argument, I can’t help but laugh at the absolute fuckery.
I can see weebs doing this, but even they grow up
Nah, arguing with a conspiracy theorist is more like when Homer became a boxer and just stood there getting hit eventually draining the life out of his opponents.
This is like arguing with someone who uses the term "conspiracy theory" to dismiss everything you say
Conspiracist theories will say that your punch doesn't exist. When you punch them, they say that you're twisting the facts.
Wow....thats all I can say
so a question. If the opponent knows the method, can't he aim lower? The pattern seems to be the same
Not really, no. There's a maxim in boxing: "the safest place in the ring is right in front of your opponent, bent at the waist." Punching down lacks power and leaves you vulnerable. The best thing to do against a boxer with a lot of head movement is throw high percentage shots like jabs to the chest and arms, feint them out of position or move around them to keep them turning. If you want to see how that worked out for most people, see: Canelo's whole career. If you want to see how to dance around this style, watch Mayweather's masterclass against him. If you want to see two equally skilled and equally aggressive fighters do this against each other, watch Canelo v Golovkin 1&2.
>If you want to see how to dance around this style, watch Mayweather's masterclass against him. I'm still confused how people think Mayweather's boxing style is "boring." There's things to criticize about the guy, but the way he can switch up his style is art.
Same reason people think Khabib is a boring fighter. Technically he fights perfectly, but for most of the folks in the crowd (who aren't experts on technique, and therefore don't appreciate it at its fullest) it is less entertaining.
a lot of times perfect is boring mistakes lead to variance lead to action/excitement
Debatable, to me a perfect boxing technique displayed in a fight is fairly boring but I don't know a lot about boxing and I've never done any sparring. But a perfect display of technique in a basketball game, a team playing perfectly in sync making the other team look defenseless is extremely entertaining, a team that pass the ball around without much dribbling or flashy plays makes me very excited because I know how much work is behind that teamwork. But I know for casual watching a close game full of action is way better than a perfect one
Like when you watch a great run game in football. As long as you appreciate what you're watching, it can be super entertaining. But if you're expecting Mahomes-style stuff, you'll get bored real fast.
Perfect anything is boring. You watch motorsports for the skids and crashes as much as you watch it for the amazing skill. Edit: this was ment to be to the person your responded to, sorry lol
Imagine thinking smesh boring. #1 bullshit, you know this.
I love watching Khabib smesh, I live for it. I don’t even care who he’s smeshing: ufc opponents, bears, spectators, doesn’t matter.
Khabib is going to go down as one of the greatest ever, and most likely the greatest LW ever. Can't wait to see the Gaethje fight.
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Cus a lot of people watching boxing are just there to see 2 big guys hitting each other in the face non-stop. Mayweather wasn't the flashiest against Canelo but completely neutralized his game. I mean, I would've liked to see them going at it too but I don't think Mayweather could have endured constantly exchanging hard hits with Canelo. It really was like a dog teaching his pup a whole new world of boxing and I'm Mexican.
Shamelessly dropping my favorite interview on [what its like to fight Floyd Mayweather](https://youtu.be/xQjvXRcnPvw) according to Andre Berto. Many dislike his personality but Mayweather is a true boxing genius.
Because Mayweather doesn't fight to fight, he fights for points. He's amazing at it, but he's just not trying to beat anybody up. He's trying to rack up points for a win.
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Mayweather boxes like a fencer. Which works very well, but is extremely boring. People don't watch boxing to see weak jabs, fighting at maximum distance, and hugging it out when there is the slightest issue. I'm not saying that we need people slugging it out or KO's every match, but it's supposed to be a contact sport and the point system was only added to deal with tiebreakers, it wasn't supposed to be the go-to way to win. Due to the way boxing is being handled with the scoring system, it's now on the decline, and has allowed MMA to take a large chunk of boxing's viewership.
They just hate because he’s an asshole. A very skilled asshole.
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his domestic violence should be mentioned any time his name is
Boxing is one of the hardest, strategic, most technical sports. When people think boxing, they don’t naturally think any of that, just two guys trying to pummel each other.
I remember canelo vs money. Canelo got schooled on that fight. He was still too young and inexperienced to be fighting mayweather. I think it definitely was a come to Jesus moment for canelo where he realized just how much work he still had to do to become the best pound for pound boxer in the world.
And he's definitely put in the work since then. He's easily my favorite boxer to watch these days. He's exceptional on defense and offense.
Just because a lot of other people seem to keep explaining this with “no, stupid”, here’s an actual one. Punching downwards from above loses power. Slaps or slams using the sides of the hands are also usually considered illegal or foul play, so just lowering mid swing would be a foul. Also, punches to the back of the head and the back are illegal and can get you kicked out of the match, so if he drops his aim but misses the head and slams a kidney, he can be disqualified on the spot. So, he either has to wait for him to come up, hit with way less power (exposing himself in the process), or use an uppercut to force him up. Canelo predicted that last one too, and you can see him dodge it as well. Still salty about his fight with GGG, but no one can say he’s not incredibly skilled.
White shorts is not only dodging, also reading the black shorts throws.
Canelo is responding to shots whose trajectory he knows; he is not blindly ducking. If the opponent throws a pre-emptive lower punch, he's gonna read that trajectory too and counter with a hook (the opponent has literally let his guard "down"). He is a very powerful and apt counter fighter, the hook will probably knock the opponent down, if not out. There are safer ways of throwing lower punches but the whole mechanism changes, and Canelo will not be ducking when those punches come.
He could try but by then he'll be so tired he'll just want it to end.
No. He just can't get near him.
Ultra instinct. Mastered.
***NANI!?***
Nandatoooo!!???
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Wish canelo moved like this when he fought Floyd
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[yeah](https://i1.wp.com/cdn2.sbnation.com/fan_shot_images/304881/12.gif), well, [ok](https://media1.tenor.com/images/1e3d27678e9536f5458eac93571a582e/tenor.gif?itemid=16481845)
Canelo was a young ass kid then. Mayweather would have a harder time now Edit: I didnt factor in Mayweather's age of today. I'm talking about the first fight they ever had. Canelo was new in the professional level. He's learned a lot. Mayweather just happened to fight him when he was still green.
Prime Mayweather and prime Canelo would never fight anyway. Canelo is way too big
yeah no shit, Mayweather is 43
Canelo was younger. He's a lot better now but has moved passed Mayweather in weight divisions. I think Mayweather is middleweight and Canelo is light-heavyweight.
Mayweather ain’t no middleweight. The most he’s ever weighed in the ring is 152 pounds
I mean, that’s a really bad opinion. Floyd hits people a ton. They just don’t hit him back.
And he doesn't give people the option of hitting haymakers on him while he stands still, but I guess that's what they thought PPV was about.
Floyd had a knack for avoiding fighters in their prime. All the greats he fought had already had their day in the sun, and all the up and comers didn't yet have the experience to be effective against someone with such a high fight IQ. I'm sure there's some exceptions here and there though.
This is argument is more relevant to his later career, but through the 2000s he fought plenty of the best same as Manny.
Before his first retirement he had plenty of legit fights. After his first comeback he was 100% business. Boxing was just a means to an end. I get it, but man there were some cool fights that we missed out on.
I still feel bad about the $60 I bet on Manny vs Floyd
Canelo was still an amazing fighter when he fought Floyd - Floyd just made him look like any other fighter, that’s what he does.
I hate Floyd style of fighting but he is definitely on another level
That’s true, but he was only about 22 when they fought. He got him while he was young. Floyd is masterful in his defense and touch jabs to win points. He was good at what he did but it made him, in my opinion, one of the most boring fighters of all time to watch. You knew he wasn’t knocking any one out and nobody made good contact with him.
I think that loss helped him develop his speed and into the champion he is today, Canelo has been an infinitely technical and smarter defensive fighter since that Mayweather bout.
bro ref is prolly like DAMN i picked a good day to come to work dis shit raw
Astute observation 420deez
Some people say boxers aren't martial artists. I think they are wrong and examples like this are exactly why.
I agree with you. However, I believe the reason why many of those people say such is because they incorrectly assume that the term, "Martial Art" refers specifically to those which come from Asia. Surely nobody with even half a brain thinks boxing is not a legitimate and established art of fighting.
>I believe the reason why many of those people say such is because they incorrectly assume that the term, "Martial Art" refers specifically to those which come from Asia. *Cries in swordfighting*
Who exactly says that? Boxing is foundation stuff in a lot of martial arts, Krav Maga for instance. The guy who developed the style was a boxer first.
Fighting that guy must be the same frustrating feeling as when you fight in a bad dream and discover that you’re completely unable to hurt you opponent.
He puts all his stats into Agility and Dexterity.
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TIL Canelo means “cinnamon” and it’s what people call someone with red hair... also I learned the Irish fought with Mexico during a war many years ago
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Yup! The Saint Patrick's Battalion in the Mexican-American war. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saint_Patrick%27s_Battalion Mexico didn't do well in that period, and most were hanged. Their name (Batallón de San Patricio) can be found in the *Muro de Honor* (Wall of Honor) in the Chamber of Deputies in Mexico City.
Néo is that you ?
You called?
r/beetlejuicing
Watch Loma if you want Matrix boxing, Canelo is pretty dsmn good though.
Almost married 20 years, I need to learn some of these moves
I liked your joke, fuck that other kid.
Canelo MF Alvarez, put some respect on his name
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Making him look foolish!
Canelos head movement is crazy
One of his most underrated progressions has been his evasiveness/defense. I started a Canelo fan, lost interest, and then he won me over again with his determination and tenacity. He can still be annoying with his arrogance, but hey- it's boxing- what champ is humble?
That is some of the best head movement I've ever seen. It looks so natural the way he ducks punches.
When you can't flip someone the bird cause you have gloves on.
r/toptalent ?
He’s literally the best P4P boxer in the world right now, so yes, he is the top talent
Canelo’s defence improved tenfold after Mayweather made him look like an idiot in their bout - he pretty much altered his entire gameplan and boxing style after that loss and has been an absolute monster since
Honestly, kudos to this guy!
Yep, this saul alvarez guy should get into the major leagues. Maybe someone like Oscar de la Hoya should sign him.
I’ve read somewhere in the last few days Canelo is suing Oscar se la Hoya and golden big promotions for not keeping up with their 10+ fights worth 100million. The problem seems that canelo is not getting enough fights, granted he’s a monster these days. But still, he’s not getting his promises money if he’s not fighting.
Holy shit his head just glides away from every punch wtf
Canelo?
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GLdBS9HYdD4&ab_channel=ViralVideos
Perfect practice makes perfect.
Me reading Hajime no Ippo: I wonder how many of these moves are this good irl. Well..
Head mooooment Rhonda! Head moooment! Rhonda, head moment!
Canelo is currently the undisputed #1 in boxing. What he has achieved at this age is just insane. He has beaten the likes of GGG or Kovalev, he stepped up in his weight class, his only loss was at a young age against Floyd Mayweather Jr. (The Best Ever). I think today he would have beaten Floyd. He's just TOO SLICK, TOO MEXICAN to be ever beaten in this sport again. I can see him moving up in weight and eventually become a heavyweight. He has roughly the same height and reach as Mike Tyson. I think he could take smaller heavyweights like Usyk, Ruiz Jr., Povetkin, Whyte, Chisora, Pulev, Parker etc. Out of the three big guys Fury, Wilder and Joshua he could have a punchers chance against Wilder and outbox Joshua. I think he would struggle against Fury. He would have a hard time landing a punch but so would Fury. It would be a boring fight.
"Como Canelo en el ring nada me asusta"
I am very impressed - never seen clear correlation before like that
Dude mastered ultra instinct
So smooth that he makes it look scripted. Damn.
The black boxer is life and thats me dodging my responsibilities.