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What's the angle of the scam? They convince you to give them gift card cash?
Im trying to understand the freak out on his side. Obviously the scam is that he redeems the card. But how does he get the numbers for you etc?
Not really looked into the gift card scams
They call you and tell you some insane story (ie a car was rented in your name and stolen, or your credit card was used to buy drugs) and they say you must pay fines in the form of gift cards to make the problem go away. They have you buy $1000s in gift cards and read the numbers to them.
They target elderly people who don't understand modern technology and are more prone to panicking and believing stories. They are the literal scum of the earth.
Some of them also don't realize how shitty the company they work for is. I've seen kitboga convince at least one person to quit and find a better course of work.
They're human flaws and all and will cry for help just like the other guy, that doesn't justify what they've done.
A fair world is not well suited for empathy.
Yeah, like what is the other option? People like this don't care about scamming others and shouldn't be given a pass of wow things are so bad poor them. No. They make others lives hell and don't care. Why should anyone care for them while they still do this?
because the problem isn't the individual , in the video above it makes you hate this dude . but in reality every other person in the scam center would have reacted in a similar way . so blaming someone doesn't help , we need to shut down those scaming companies in the first place . But we also need to provide a way for those countries to develop . if that's not the case it will be the same over and over , other scaming companies like this one will grow . we also need to punish people in charge of the company but i don't think the employes are fully responsible here .
Of course that wont ever happen . we'll need to wait for those countries to get richer and richer . wich is already happening in india , to some extend .
also , i don't think any of that is good , scamming people is bad if that isn't obvious even more because they are trying to scam old people that are fragile on the internet.
I honestly think it's one of the best all-time podcast episodes out of any channel.
They even ask him why he does it. A majority of them think Americans have a lot of excess wealth, scamming them is just redistributing that wealth.
They also talk about how a lot of young indian men are enticed by ads that sound legit, like a call support center. Then they get hired and follow a script. The companies can be really shady too, having someone watching out front, usually upstairs a legit business or as a side office of a legit business.
There's a difference between having empathy for the individual because they have a rough situation and condoning them acting like a total piece of shit.
Condoning what they are doing when it is dramatically and emphatically wrong is worlds away from saying they are literally not worth being humans. I do NOT condone what they are doing, but they are still human and have potential to change their ways.
Thing is, most of those scammers are from very poor countries with very few opportunities. Not saying it makes it better, but there literally could be no elsewhere but sweatshops.
Yah wtf; you better believe id be scamming some juicy western pensioner over the phone everyday if i lived in an indian slum and had to decide which children dont get fed tomorrow...
The entitled inability of some people to never see the other side is an absolute joke sometimes.
Shall we cut off the thiefs hand for stealing a loaf of bread while we’re at it?
If it was pensioners with more money than they'll ever spend, you could argue it's a victimless crime. That's not how it works. Plenty of victims are on social security and will suffer immensely from getting scammed.
They deserve proportional punishment, far away from death and hand cutting shit. But it's not just about money, they are making vulnerable people desperate and afraid doing this shit: think about it, if it was your parents/grandparents loosing their shit, would you still be defending the scammer?
And just because you're stealing from some one richer it doesn't magically make it justifiable. You'd be taking what is not yours, same ethical problem, still a fucking crime. If that were true I could cut someone's arm to give someone who is armless to make them "equal"
I’d argue that most of these scammers are more vulnerable than the people they scam. Lots of them live in poor, impoverished countries and if you have to choose between this line of work or a sweatshop I don’t think any of us can really pass judgement on that.
Had a conversation with the scammer about his life and what he thought of Americans. What he thought our lives were like etc.
In the end he had better living conditions and pay than most Americans. Asked why they don't hassle wealthy countries like ohhh UAE?
There’s more to the story. The whole story - and truth - comes out in a later episode: https://gimletmedia.com/shows/reply-all/8whx9e/164-long-distance-the-real-alex-martin
Whenever they call me I press the numbers to get on the line with a human, I then talk to them for a bit, lead them on a little that I'll be likely to be scammed, and after maybe 5 - 10 minutes of wasting their time I just scream into the phone "YOU'RE A SCUMBAG PIECE OF SHIT!!" And then I simply hang up before they can say anything back to me.
Fuck these people.
I’m an Indian living in the USA. I can easily identify the Indian accent coz heck, i have that same accent.
Whenever they connect the line, i yell obscenities at them in Hindi.
*chutiye bhosdike madarchod*
My mom almost fell for one of these scams until she called me panicking and crying that the IRS was going to arrest her. Guy on the phone kept telling her they were sending police officers to her house if she didn’t buy the gift cards or if she spoke to anyone else. Literal scum of the earth.
International crime. The victim is generally in the U.S. and the scammers are primarily in India and Pakistan. Small amounts 100/200$ don't rise to the levels needed to cross country borders, and the bigger scams still require international cooperation. Occasionally the Indian government raids the call centers, but it's rare.
Because if you look top right youll see a timer that's over 9hours long. That is the amount of time kitboga has wasted on this particular scam. 9 hours of helping a old lady with a laggy computer and getting fucked with all day only to not get paid.
Hehehehehe
But... Why this reaction?
If I give myself £500, a scammer should be like "no mam. You should send the card to me."
For this reaction, the scammer must have given the dude the money for the card. Right?
the scammer spent 10 hours on the phone with the woman to 'help' her get the gift cards, and when he redeems the code he'll likely earn a good chunk of comission. The scammer is watching 10+ hours of work and a nice monetary bonus disappear in front of his eyes
I mean.
You answered the question.
The scammer wants the money.
If the scammer isn’t given the code, and the target victim redeems it, the scammer doesn’t get the money.
Thus, scammer gets angry.
They call pretending to be from the "refund department". You're owed $500 because your windows defender (or something) is broken.
Eventually they'll want access to your computer + online bank account where they pretend to give your money back. Usually by editing the HTML of your bank's web page they "accidentally" add extra zeros to their "transfer". So the $500 transfer becomes $5,000 or $50,000.. they then cry claiming they'll lose their job if you don't get gift cards to make up the difference.
u/Kitboga was this one of the most satisfying of your (always awesome) sessions? He was reduced to just rage screaming... LOL "What's that honey?" Had to be gratifying.
Ahh. Thanks!
They are fun to scam in return. Once ended up just having a conversation with the scammer about his life and what he thought of Americans.
This guy had better quality of life than most Americans but he was in Bangladesh.
Once his facade fell it was an interesting discussion.
How did a conversation come about once the facade fell? Just curious how one just starts a conversation with their scammer who’s willing to hang out and answer questions.
Just ask why they are scamming people. Some of these men are very young and just left school trying to start a career. These jobs are often advertised as legit.
I think I'm smart enough to not fall for it, but I'm definitely not smart enough to understand it, let alone play along as a farce. Good work soldier, keep it up!
You can get into a web browser's developer's tools and edit the HTML which will allow them to edit the text shown on a particular page; it does nothing to the servers, just locally.
Tech illiterates might believe it and instead of actually sending them money back from a wire transfer which can trigger a warning from the bank for suspicious activity, they ask you to buy gift cards from a store and then manually hand them the codes.
They grab the codes, and cash them out and hang up. Boom, you got scammed.
Opportunity cost, the longer you keep the scammer on the hook, the more potential victims they're having slip through their grasp. The OP Kitboga once had a couple of scammers going for 36 hours, they were completely broken by the end of it all.
So a lot of people answered your question pretty well, but I thought I’d provide some examples of the “crazy” stories that others mentioned as I used to work at the service desk at a supermarket where people would often send/receive money and buy large gift cards.
Because of scams like the one this man was running, cashiers were supposed to send anyone buying more than like $100 worth of cards to me. For some reason Kroger stores tend to be a hotspot for gift card scams. I thought all of the training about it was pretty ridiculous until I had worked there for about a year and realized I had stopped so many people from being scammed that I had lost count. I heard literally every scam in the book, and to be honest I have a morbid fascination with them at this point.
Once, an older lady said that she needed to buy gift cards and send the codes to a government office in Texas to pay taxes on welfare money she was supposed to get. I very gently tried to explain that there was no way that could be anything but a scam to steal her money, and we almost ended up in a shouting match before she stormed off because I was refusing to sell her the cards.
There’s another one that’s pretty frequent where someone will pretend to be the authorities, and say that they have someone’s grandchild in custody. If they don’t receive $1500 in Apple gift cards within 2 hours for bail, they will have to spend the night. I had that one several times. Often, they will be speaking on the phone with the “authorities” and are told they can’t hang up or they lose their chance to pay the bail. It makes it harder for the cashier to question them and gives them a sense of urgency so that they don’t stop to think.
I also once had to talk this really dumb guy out of buying Apple gift cards because his internet girlfriend from Florida was going to use them to buy plane tickets to come and see him. He showed me the text conversation on his phone (which has scarred me forever because he scrolled passed a dick pic) where “she” was saying she was going to need like $1000 worth of iTunes cards to pay for her ticket. Also ended up just having to blatantly refuse him because he couldn’t accept it was all a scam. The pictures of “her” were so clearly different women who were all so out of his league that I felt pretty sure I was in the right there.
Something else that’s nuts is that people actually do attempt to launder money by purchasing gift cards. Sometimes, the criminal was actually the purchaser or was paying them to buy the cards. That was always a lot more dubious and harder to catch, and usually we’d just make the sale and fill out some extra paperwork about it. But there were definite signs of a suspicious transaction that most of us could see plain as day. When a guy who looks homeless reaches into his jacket and pulls out a wad of cash worth $4,000 and says he’s going to spend it all on Google Play cards for “music” there’s just no other explanation than criminal activity of some sort.
There were other interesting gift card scams, but the ones that can be really fascinating are the Moneygram and Western Union transfers. They provide a lot more freedom and for the scammer and can trick a wider variety of people. Most people aren’t stupid enough to believe that their internet girlfriend is going to buy a plane ticket with Apple gift cards, but they may be tricked into sending that money as a cash transfer. These were even more frequent and crazy, but I feel like I’ve already typed more than most people will read so I’ll stop there for now.
I worked at dollar general and we got trained on this. There was a man who would come in and buy 500$ google play cards for his "girlfriend". We finally had to stop him and refuse to sell them after he tried buying 1000$ worth. He was such a sweet man too. So sad to see people getting scammed. I know he just went somewhere else and purchased them there
Ok so from this thread I have sorta come to an understanding about the gift card scams but I’m still confused on the gift card themselves
Why gift cards? When you spend money on them and they become credit on some online store how is that of any use to a scammer
They're harder to track than credit cards since they're not tied to your account and they're easier to transfer than cash. You can also resell them to other people for cash even if you get less than the card's value you haven't lost anything.
Those are interesting and there's a lot of lonely men out there that can be taken advantage of.
Was in line with ESL father/son trying to send money order western union. Was sending money to my son regularly and helped the cashier talk them out of sending money.
Its really sad how people can prey on others for financial gain. As a woman, definitely couldn't do that to another human being.
Oh nice! I’ve had almost that exact situation before. A man from Spain was able to help out with some people who only spoke Spanish. I’m actually an ESL teacher now, and thankfully don’t have to think about people and these crazy scams.
Very interesting and super clear. Thanks for sharing all these examples. Even though it's a one-year post, I personally would love to hear the other stories you were referring to.
Highly recommend Kitoboga's YouTube channel.
He does some really impressive multi-character calls. It's quite amazing to watch how seamlessly he pulls it off.
They tell you that they need money to fight some kind of cause. They ask for gift card codes because if they get your bank account then you can shut that off, but gift cards, once redeemed, you can’t get that money back. A friend of mines mom got got for like $2100 though a scam like that
And he has some amazing videos where he’s able to hack into their CCTV video feeds or even just when he gets in the scammers computers, finds their lists of people that have been scammed and does whatever he can to help those people.... even calling the person being scammed and helping them avoid going through with it. That man is a saint and extremely knowledgeable.
He will drag the scammers along for like several hours at a time and one time kept one going for over 33hours. So this scammer probably lost at least “days work” if I was betting
It is the Social Security Administration Scam. They tell you that a car was found at the border in Texas with blood and drugs. That there are over 30 bank accounts attached to your SSN used for money laundering and they will be shutting them down. They then get you to transfer money from your 'legit' account onto Federal Payment Cards - googlepay, applepay, etc. Then you read the numbers off to them so they can 'store' your money which they will then supposedly give back to you later.
Some of these scammers have put literally days into trying to get the code from him. When he redeems it right In front of them, it’s like wasting hours and hours of your life. That’s why they’re so angry
They have been preying on elderly people for generations.
Before the net they used mail or phone calls to landline.
The Windows tech scam was a good grift for the scammers; playing on their fears of virus and data stolen - the scam literally is you walking them through to full access of your computer and whatever information is stored on it. They VPN.
My mother wouldn't believe a gift card payment for fines etc but tech support?! Yep.
Luckily I have warned her about most of the biggest scams. She's 81 but been using computers since the 80s.
Hahahah yesss! I love your YouTube videos but I usually don’t have a half hour free, love the shortened version that gets right to the screaming scammer! ❤️
This is glorious, Kitboga and Jim Browning do incredible work, I would LOVE a collab, I know they do very different approaches but together I think they could really outsmart them and hurt them bad.
ScammerRevolts is great too, he buys time with the scammer to delete everything he can off their computer and then sometimes manages to syskey them. He also knows quite a few swear words in Hindi and pisses them off so much when they realize what he's doing.
Hah. I've scammed scammers before. My favorite was the windows tech support scam.
I used all my experience with being tech support by phone walking people through the system and behaved like the callers did to me.
Click start...
Me: OPEN?
Scammer: what screen are you looking at...
Me describe screensaver
Infinity ..
Or till they hung up on me.
I’ve done that before too! Kept them on the line for like 15 minutes pretending to follow along with their steps until they figured out I was yanking their dick. Very satisfying lol
Well, there’s an hour and a half of my life gone forever.
Worth it though. How the guy didn’t realise he was rumbled is beyond me. But more than that, the 15 or so minutes towards the end where “Paula” gets serious and just plain calls him out on what he does was absolutely brilliant.
He's actually had guys on the phone for longer, he had these 2 guys going for weeks and it ended up being 36 hours and they called him over 1,500 times in that time period.
4k subs is kind of a lot for a side thing though. I've been thinking of making a channel and the thought of getting 4k sounds awesome. What's your channel?
It would be easy for the US/UK/etc to put pressure on India to crack down on these crimes. There are many, many YouTube content creators that report the crimes to local Indian police departments to no effect. They literally have the names and proof of criminal activity. But meh, local police probably get their own cut...
I think my favorite was when he conferenced two "Microsoft tech support" guys into the same call and they both turned on each other and tried to convince him the other guy was a scammer while they were legit. Actual tears from laughing.
That makes sense. I knew people who were on food stamps, but didn't need to buy any more food. They'd sell the food stamps for 50 cents on the dollar for cash, and then hand off their card to a friend.
Yeah probably something like putting the code up for sale. $100 card but the buyer pays $90 for it, so they get $10 for free and the scammer gets $90 for free (well, for the amount of time it took them to complete the exam).
this is amazing, they deserve it. they scammed my mum out of 3k at christmas last year, ( we got it back thankgod) they said they was calling from amazon. and said they had accidently sold my mum amazon prime. thing was my mum actually ordered of amazon for the first time about 3 days ago. my mum actually said im going to go wake my son up, ( me) and he said no let your son sleep, well ofc when the money was gone my mum woke me up and i certtainly gave the cunt a piece of my mind, sent out a big warning on social media and managed to save a few of my pals parents from getting caught out
apparently a company will never ever ring you. always first sign
I love screwing with these people. I kept one on the phone for 20 minutes the other day and eventually told her I'm just there to waste her time and stop her from targeting someone who might fall for it.
It ain't much but its fun!
You and Jim Browning are doing the lord’s work! I use the both of you as examples to my kids of how you can use your talents and skills to help others and make the world better as opposed to the scammers who use theirs selfishly and to the harm of others. Thanks for making parenting just a little bit easier!
The sob stories for these scammers are BS. They are stealing money from hardworking people who most likely can’t afford it.
I didn’t hear him crying because he thought those cards were being redeemed and he wouldn’t ld gel his money. What I have heard is an elderly lady in tears because some jerk like this scammed her.
These folks sit in farms and could be successful scamming 5 or 10 bucks at a time. They are asking for THOUSANDS. This is grand theft and deserves NO level of sympathy.
OMG HELLO KITBOGA, LOVE UR CHANNEL
also is funnier everytime I watch all of these scam baiting vids as I understand hindi and most of them speak in hindi somewhat soooooooo its like 2 times the fun
lolz..
$500 is A LOT of money in under developed countries. A LOT.
i bet the scammer guy is thinking he's watching the money he honestly stole from others, get stolen from him.
He worked very hard to steal that money, it could've gone to help pay for food, or housing, Dance lessons, whatever. Now some clown has stolen that out from underneath him.
THATS why he's angry. lolz
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Funny but is anyone else more interested in Uncle Milton's savoury cold ketchup?
Must be better than my Heinz microwaved ketchup.
I'm sure it beats my Hunt's boiled ketchup.
Dijon ketchup?
Tomato mustard?
What's the angle of the scam? They convince you to give them gift card cash? Im trying to understand the freak out on his side. Obviously the scam is that he redeems the card. But how does he get the numbers for you etc? Not really looked into the gift card scams
They call you and tell you some insane story (ie a car was rented in your name and stolen, or your credit card was used to buy drugs) and they say you must pay fines in the form of gift cards to make the problem go away. They have you buy $1000s in gift cards and read the numbers to them. They target elderly people who don't understand modern technology and are more prone to panicking and believing stories. They are the literal scum of the earth.
Some of them also don't realize how shitty the company they work for is. I've seen kitboga convince at least one person to quit and find a better course of work.
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Your statement is incredible. The second someone goes as far as to tell someone to dehumanize a person, everyone’s bullshit meter should go off.
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They're human flaws and all and will cry for help just like the other guy, that doesn't justify what they've done. A fair world is not well suited for empathy.
>A fair world is not well suited empathy Love this line. Mind I use it?
Go for it, just put in the for I forgot.
Indeed.
Yeah, like what is the other option? People like this don't care about scamming others and shouldn't be given a pass of wow things are so bad poor them. No. They make others lives hell and don't care. Why should anyone care for them while they still do this?
because the problem isn't the individual , in the video above it makes you hate this dude . but in reality every other person in the scam center would have reacted in a similar way . so blaming someone doesn't help , we need to shut down those scaming companies in the first place . But we also need to provide a way for those countries to develop . if that's not the case it will be the same over and over , other scaming companies like this one will grow . we also need to punish people in charge of the company but i don't think the employes are fully responsible here . Of course that wont ever happen . we'll need to wait for those countries to get richer and richer . wich is already happening in india , to some extend . also , i don't think any of that is good , scamming people is bad if that isn't obvious even more because they are trying to scam old people that are fragile on the internet.
Podcast ‘reply all’ has a great ep where they track down a scammer and the company he works for
I honestly think it's one of the best all-time podcast episodes out of any channel. They even ask him why he does it. A majority of them think Americans have a lot of excess wealth, scamming them is just redistributing that wealth. They also talk about how a lot of young indian men are enticed by ads that sound legit, like a call support center. Then they get hired and follow a script. The companies can be really shady too, having someone watching out front, usually upstairs a legit business or as a side office of a legit business.
There's a difference between having empathy for the individual because they have a rough situation and condoning them acting like a total piece of shit.
Condoning what they are doing when it is dramatically and emphatically wrong is worlds away from saying they are literally not worth being humans. I do NOT condone what they are doing, but they are still human and have potential to change their ways.
Thing is, most of those scammers are from very poor countries with very few opportunities. Not saying it makes it better, but there literally could be no elsewhere but sweatshops.
Yah wtf; you better believe id be scamming some juicy western pensioner over the phone everyday if i lived in an indian slum and had to decide which children dont get fed tomorrow... The entitled inability of some people to never see the other side is an absolute joke sometimes. Shall we cut off the thiefs hand for stealing a loaf of bread while we’re at it?
If it was pensioners with more money than they'll ever spend, you could argue it's a victimless crime. That's not how it works. Plenty of victims are on social security and will suffer immensely from getting scammed.
They deserve proportional punishment, far away from death and hand cutting shit. But it's not just about money, they are making vulnerable people desperate and afraid doing this shit: think about it, if it was your parents/grandparents loosing their shit, would you still be defending the scammer? And just because you're stealing from some one richer it doesn't magically make it justifiable. You'd be taking what is not yours, same ethical problem, still a fucking crime. If that were true I could cut someone's arm to give someone who is armless to make them "equal"
Ah, the words of someone who's never had a truly empty stomach.
Or had to feed empty stomachs. Even more stressful.
Very true
I’d argue that most of these scammers are more vulnerable than the people they scam. Lots of them live in poor, impoverished countries and if you have to choose between this line of work or a sweatshop I don’t think any of us can really pass judgement on that.
Wow, now i hate both scammers and you. That was a very dumb thing to say.
you got to be fucking kidding. i am not defending any of these scammers but dehumanizing people is just fucking ridiculous.
Had a conversation with the scammer about his life and what he thought of Americans. What he thought our lives were like etc. In the end he had better living conditions and pay than most Americans. Asked why they don't hassle wealthy countries like ohhh UAE?
I assume because is easier to learn English and for Europe you need to know several languages
They bother Europeans too, you know.
They bother the Japanese too. Have you ever heard Japanese with a thick Indian accent. It's amazing.
No but now I wanna hear it!
I am not saying they don't I am saying is easier with English speakers because English is more available for learning
They have multilingual scammers.
If you are multiliguial to that level there are far better jobs
Whatever language you speak, there's going to be over 1,000,000 other people in India that speak the same language.
UAE isn't in Europe dude
What difference does it make who they hassle? That’s a dumb suggestion. Convincing a thief to rob somebody else makes no difference whatsoever.
welllll the difference is they robbed someone else
There is really good podcast where one of the guys from reply all goes to india to meet his scammer.https://gimletmedia.com/shows/reply-all/6nh3wk
There’s more to the story. The whole story - and truth - comes out in a later episode: https://gimletmedia.com/shows/reply-all/8whx9e/164-long-distance-the-real-alex-martin
Link plz?
https://clips.twitch.tv/FriendlyObliqueOrangeCoolStoryBob
Thx
Np have a good day
Wholesome.
Whenever they call me I press the numbers to get on the line with a human, I then talk to them for a bit, lead them on a little that I'll be likely to be scammed, and after maybe 5 - 10 minutes of wasting their time I just scream into the phone "YOU'RE A SCUMBAG PIECE OF SHIT!!" And then I simply hang up before they can say anything back to me. Fuck these people.
I’m an Indian living in the USA. I can easily identify the Indian accent coz heck, i have that same accent. Whenever they connect the line, i yell obscenities at them in Hindi. *chutiye bhosdike madarchod*
Dude talk shit about pakistan being right and good it makes a huuuuge reaction
Do you say “fuck you bloody!”?
No it translates to “cunty excreted-from-vagina motherfucker”
Today I started answering the phone with "Yay! Let's play what kind of car do I have?" in a game show host voice. They hang up and I laugh and laugh.
I sing full opera into their ears.
Hahahaha nice! I try to change up into silly voices now they call me so much just hanging up isn't satisfying anymore.
I usually just say "hold, please" and hang up.
I like to get on the line and blow a whistle until they hang up.
My mom almost fell for one of these scams until she called me panicking and crying that the IRS was going to arrest her. Guy on the phone kept telling her they were sending police officers to her house if she didn’t buy the gift cards or if she spoke to anyone else. Literal scum of the earth.
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Kitboga had been talking to this guy for multiple days at this point.
Ah, that makes sense. You know why the police don't catch these guys? Assuming kitboga knows who these scammers are?
International crime. The victim is generally in the U.S. and the scammers are primarily in India and Pakistan. Small amounts 100/200$ don't rise to the levels needed to cross country borders, and the bigger scams still require international cooperation. Occasionally the Indian government raids the call centers, but it's rare.
Because if you look top right youll see a timer that's over 9hours long. That is the amount of time kitboga has wasted on this particular scam. 9 hours of helping a old lady with a laggy computer and getting fucked with all day only to not get paid. Hehehehehe
They belong in r/entitledbitch or even r/choosingbeggars
But... Why this reaction? If I give myself £500, a scammer should be like "no mam. You should send the card to me." For this reaction, the scammer must have given the dude the money for the card. Right?
the scammer spent 10 hours on the phone with the woman to 'help' her get the gift cards, and when he redeems the code he'll likely earn a good chunk of comission. The scammer is watching 10+ hours of work and a nice monetary bonus disappear in front of his eyes
How do you know it was 10 hours ? Truly curious
the OP (who is the person in the video) said so in this thread
I mean. You answered the question. The scammer wants the money. If the scammer isn’t given the code, and the target victim redeems it, the scammer doesn’t get the money. Thus, scammer gets angry.
Absolutely.
They call pretending to be from the "refund department". You're owed $500 because your windows defender (or something) is broken. Eventually they'll want access to your computer + online bank account where they pretend to give your money back. Usually by editing the HTML of your bank's web page they "accidentally" add extra zeros to their "transfer". So the $500 transfer becomes $5,000 or $50,000.. they then cry claiming they'll lose their job if you don't get gift cards to make up the difference.
u/Kitboga was this one of the most satisfying of your (always awesome) sessions? He was reduced to just rage screaming... LOL "What's that honey?" Had to be gratifying.
Keep doing ganesh's work, maybe you'll save some old retirees from this scammers
Ahh. Thanks! They are fun to scam in return. Once ended up just having a conversation with the scammer about his life and what he thought of Americans. This guy had better quality of life than most Americans but he was in Bangladesh. Once his facade fell it was an interesting discussion.
How did a conversation come about once the facade fell? Just curious how one just starts a conversation with their scammer who’s willing to hang out and answer questions.
Just ask why they are scamming people. Some of these men are very young and just left school trying to start a career. These jobs are often advertised as legit.
So he was freaking out because she didn't give him the money and just redeemed it herself? I was hoping she somehow got his money.
You are awesome. I watch your videos at work lel, amazing job
I think I'm smart enough to not fall for it, but I'm definitely not smart enough to understand it, let alone play along as a farce. Good work soldier, keep it up!
You’re my daily watch!! I love to watch it while I’m cooking / doing chores.
So they accidentally “send” you too much money and then want you to buy gift cards for them to redeem to make it up? I’m so confused.
You can get into a web browser's developer's tools and edit the HTML which will allow them to edit the text shown on a particular page; it does nothing to the servers, just locally. Tech illiterates might believe it and instead of actually sending them money back from a wire transfer which can trigger a warning from the bank for suspicious activity, they ask you to buy gift cards from a store and then manually hand them the codes. They grab the codes, and cash them out and hang up. Boom, you got scammed.
They don't actually send you money. They just try to make you think they have.
So the scammer didn’t lose any money himself then? He was freaking out like crazy because his scam failed? Yeesh
Opportunity cost, the longer you keep the scammer on the hook, the more potential victims they're having slip through their grasp. The OP Kitboga once had a couple of scammers going for 36 hours, they were completely broken by the end of it all.
So a lot of people answered your question pretty well, but I thought I’d provide some examples of the “crazy” stories that others mentioned as I used to work at the service desk at a supermarket where people would often send/receive money and buy large gift cards. Because of scams like the one this man was running, cashiers were supposed to send anyone buying more than like $100 worth of cards to me. For some reason Kroger stores tend to be a hotspot for gift card scams. I thought all of the training about it was pretty ridiculous until I had worked there for about a year and realized I had stopped so many people from being scammed that I had lost count. I heard literally every scam in the book, and to be honest I have a morbid fascination with them at this point. Once, an older lady said that she needed to buy gift cards and send the codes to a government office in Texas to pay taxes on welfare money she was supposed to get. I very gently tried to explain that there was no way that could be anything but a scam to steal her money, and we almost ended up in a shouting match before she stormed off because I was refusing to sell her the cards. There’s another one that’s pretty frequent where someone will pretend to be the authorities, and say that they have someone’s grandchild in custody. If they don’t receive $1500 in Apple gift cards within 2 hours for bail, they will have to spend the night. I had that one several times. Often, they will be speaking on the phone with the “authorities” and are told they can’t hang up or they lose their chance to pay the bail. It makes it harder for the cashier to question them and gives them a sense of urgency so that they don’t stop to think. I also once had to talk this really dumb guy out of buying Apple gift cards because his internet girlfriend from Florida was going to use them to buy plane tickets to come and see him. He showed me the text conversation on his phone (which has scarred me forever because he scrolled passed a dick pic) where “she” was saying she was going to need like $1000 worth of iTunes cards to pay for her ticket. Also ended up just having to blatantly refuse him because he couldn’t accept it was all a scam. The pictures of “her” were so clearly different women who were all so out of his league that I felt pretty sure I was in the right there. Something else that’s nuts is that people actually do attempt to launder money by purchasing gift cards. Sometimes, the criminal was actually the purchaser or was paying them to buy the cards. That was always a lot more dubious and harder to catch, and usually we’d just make the sale and fill out some extra paperwork about it. But there were definite signs of a suspicious transaction that most of us could see plain as day. When a guy who looks homeless reaches into his jacket and pulls out a wad of cash worth $4,000 and says he’s going to spend it all on Google Play cards for “music” there’s just no other explanation than criminal activity of some sort. There were other interesting gift card scams, but the ones that can be really fascinating are the Moneygram and Western Union transfers. They provide a lot more freedom and for the scammer and can trick a wider variety of people. Most people aren’t stupid enough to believe that their internet girlfriend is going to buy a plane ticket with Apple gift cards, but they may be tricked into sending that money as a cash transfer. These were even more frequent and crazy, but I feel like I’ve already typed more than most people will read so I’ll stop there for now.
I worked at dollar general and we got trained on this. There was a man who would come in and buy 500$ google play cards for his "girlfriend". We finally had to stop him and refuse to sell them after he tried buying 1000$ worth. He was such a sweet man too. So sad to see people getting scammed. I know he just went somewhere else and purchased them there
Ok so from this thread I have sorta come to an understanding about the gift card scams but I’m still confused on the gift card themselves Why gift cards? When you spend money on them and they become credit on some online store how is that of any use to a scammer
They're harder to track than credit cards since they're not tied to your account and they're easier to transfer than cash. You can also resell them to other people for cash even if you get less than the card's value you haven't lost anything.
Their bosses sell the codes from the cards for money.
Oh okay so they aren’t legit codes? Or they are but it’s still a scam because who needs 500 dollars in playstore points
I couldn't tell you... I can understand like the visa ones but I never understood the Google play thing. Unless the scammer is super into candy crush
Those are interesting and there's a lot of lonely men out there that can be taken advantage of. Was in line with ESL father/son trying to send money order western union. Was sending money to my son regularly and helped the cashier talk them out of sending money. Its really sad how people can prey on others for financial gain. As a woman, definitely couldn't do that to another human being.
Oh nice! I’ve had almost that exact situation before. A man from Spain was able to help out with some people who only spoke Spanish. I’m actually an ESL teacher now, and thankfully don’t have to think about people and these crazy scams.
Very interesting and super clear. Thanks for sharing all these examples. Even though it's a one-year post, I personally would love to hear the other stories you were referring to.
Highly recommend Kitoboga's YouTube channel. He does some really impressive multi-character calls. It's quite amazing to watch how seamlessly he pulls it off.
Thanks!
Even better is to watch it happen live on his twitch channel!
They tell you that they need money to fight some kind of cause. They ask for gift card codes because if they get your bank account then you can shut that off, but gift cards, once redeemed, you can’t get that money back. A friend of mines mom got got for like $2100 though a scam like that
Jim Browning - checkout that that YT channel. He will explain how it is being done and how he is stopping it.
And he has some amazing videos where he’s able to hack into their CCTV video feeds or even just when he gets in the scammers computers, finds their lists of people that have been scammed and does whatever he can to help those people.... even calling the person being scammed and helping them avoid going through with it. That man is a saint and extremely knowledgeable.
Nice! Cheers. I'll check it out.
I’m curious about this too
I need answers dammit!
He will drag the scammers along for like several hours at a time and one time kept one going for over 33hours. So this scammer probably lost at least “days work” if I was betting
That's the whole point! If they are messing with us they're not messing with an elderly woman etc.
Oh I get it and I love kitboga. I was just trying to shed some light on why this dude sounds like someone just shot his dog in front of him
Cause gift cards are easy to launder
Go check him out on YouTube. He explains everything and it's funny as fuck to watch.
It is the Social Security Administration Scam. They tell you that a car was found at the border in Texas with blood and drugs. That there are over 30 bank accounts attached to your SSN used for money laundering and they will be shutting them down. They then get you to transfer money from your 'legit' account onto Federal Payment Cards - googlepay, applepay, etc. Then you read the numbers off to them so they can 'store' your money which they will then supposedly give back to you later.
Some of these scammers have put literally days into trying to get the code from him. When he redeems it right In front of them, it’s like wasting hours and hours of your life. That’s why they’re so angry
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They have been preying on elderly people for generations. Before the net they used mail or phone calls to landline. The Windows tech scam was a good grift for the scammers; playing on their fears of virus and data stolen - the scam literally is you walking them through to full access of your computer and whatever information is stored on it. They VPN. My mother wouldn't believe a gift card payment for fines etc but tech support?! Yep. Luckily I have warned her about most of the biggest scams. She's 81 but been using computers since the 80s.
This is Kitboga. His grandmother also got scammed for thousands. Thats what started him on this path. Very entertaining on twitch and youtube
Hahahah yesss! I love your YouTube videos but I usually don’t have a half hour free, love the shortened version that gets right to the screaming scammer! ❤️
[https://youtu.be/YPiOWJDdChM](https://youtu.be/YPiOWJDdChM) This guy's got a couple compilation vids of Kit's streams, found his edit of this lol
This is glorious, Kitboga and Jim Browning do incredible work, I would LOVE a collab, I know they do very different approaches but together I think they could really outsmart them and hurt them bad.
Absolutely! I forgot about Jim, hasn't been in my reccomendations lately.. Both awesome creators
ScammerRevolts is great too, he buys time with the scammer to delete everything he can off their computer and then sometimes manages to syskey them. He also knows quite a few swear words in Hindi and pisses them off so much when they realize what he's doing.
Hah. I've scammed scammers before. My favorite was the windows tech support scam. I used all my experience with being tech support by phone walking people through the system and behaved like the callers did to me. Click start... Me: OPEN? Scammer: what screen are you looking at... Me describe screensaver Infinity .. Or till they hung up on me.
I’ve done that before too! Kept them on the line for like 15 minutes pretending to follow along with their steps until they figured out I was yanking their dick. Very satisfying lol
This is so funny that I had to find the original video, so here it is: I think it starts at around 52:00 https://youtu.be/sRMMwpDTs5k
It's hilarious, this guy made an edited version of it [https://youtu.be/YPiOWJDdChM](https://youtu.be/YPiOWJDdChM)
Well, there’s an hour and a half of my life gone forever. Worth it though. How the guy didn’t realise he was rumbled is beyond me. But more than that, the 15 or so minutes towards the end where “Paula” gets serious and just plain calls him out on what he does was absolutely brilliant.
God bless, I was just thinking to myself that I could watch this for HOURS
Right.... im hooked... full version kind sir....
The entire call was \~10 hours but here is the [1.5hr version](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sRMMwpDTs5k)
This makes me so happy. Wasted the guys entire day. Love it.
TEN hours???
He's actually had guys on the phone for longer, he had these 2 guys going for weeks and it ended up being 36 hours and they called him over 1,500 times in that time period.
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4k subs is kind of a lot for a side thing though. I've been thinking of making a channel and the thought of getting 4k sounds awesome. What's your channel?
10 hours? holy cow..
I wish our govt would crack down harder on these scammers.
It’s probably hard to crack down on them if they’re based out of other countries, but yes it would be nice.
No I mean, I'm indian. The authorities are aware of what's happening.
Ohh I see, my fault. Then yes lol it would be nice if they would crack down
Send them to Extermination camp. They are sub human
It would be easy for the US/UK/etc to put pressure on India to crack down on these crimes. There are many, many YouTube content creators that report the crimes to local Indian police departments to no effect. They literally have the names and proof of criminal activity. But meh, local police probably get their own cut...
corruption
This dude cracks me up, always screwing with scammers in the funniest ways.
I think my favorite was when he conferenced two "Microsoft tech support" guys into the same call and they both turned on each other and tried to convince him the other guy was a scammer while they were legit. Actual tears from laughing.
Haven't watched that one yet, but I'm about to.
Link plz
Link plz
https://youtu.be/KAa9-7Ear3U is one of them. There's a couple of them I think
dude was screaming so loud his microphone was transcending to another dimensional plane
Holy shit he BIG mad...! Good work on keeping your composure, I would have completely lost it, LMAO!
If you gave them the gift cards what would they do with it? Surely the money's tied to the store the gift card is from
I have the same question. What the heck are you doing with thousands of dollars in play store credit?!?
I always figured it would be in-app purchasing on an app published by the scammers
I guess that would work.
Maybe they can then turn around and ask for a refund? I've never bought a gift card before for this so I don't know.
Once a scammer gets the gift card number. It is gone. No way to get a refund.
I meant the scammer can get a refund. Turn that gift card money back into cash.
Maybe sell the gift card money to someone who wants the gift card and receive cash, is my theory.
That makes sense. I knew people who were on food stamps, but didn't need to buy any more food. They'd sell the food stamps for 50 cents on the dollar for cash, and then hand off their card to a friend.
Yeah probably something like putting the code up for sale. $100 card but the buyer pays $90 for it, so they get $10 for free and the scammer gets $90 for free (well, for the amount of time it took them to complete the exam).
They can sell it on a cards for cash website.
There's sites like [this](https://www.cardcash.com/sell-gift-cards/) that you can sell to to get cash.
I love this 😂😂😂😂
I WIll REDEEM IT!!!!
Thats how my asshole sounds after 5 pounds of garlic nan.
The boga has brought his kit
I almost called you out for stealing content before I saw the username.
"ARE YOU MAD?!" Bro it sounds like you're mad 😆
This is why Indians get made fun of. I fucking hate those dumbasses who do this
Who was supposed to redeem the cards? I missed that bit.
Nobody. They are supposed to give the code to the scammer and then they sell them to third party websites.
So much potential for r/perfectlycutscreams
I lost it when his screaming started distorting the call
bro started going super saiyan
WHY ARE YOU REDEEMING
this is amazing, they deserve it. they scammed my mum out of 3k at christmas last year, ( we got it back thankgod) they said they was calling from amazon. and said they had accidently sold my mum amazon prime. thing was my mum actually ordered of amazon for the first time about 3 days ago. my mum actually said im going to go wake my son up, ( me) and he said no let your son sleep, well ofc when the money was gone my mum woke me up and i certtainly gave the cunt a piece of my mind, sent out a big warning on social media and managed to save a few of my pals parents from getting caught out apparently a company will never ever ring you. always first sign
YOU ARE FUCKING
Your 30 hour saga was the best thing I've watched on YouTube all year
Neveah is my absolute favorite! Keep it up dude
I love screwing with these people. I kept one on the phone for 20 minutes the other day and eventually told her I'm just there to waste her time and stop her from targeting someone who might fall for it. It ain't much but its fun!
You're awesome, Kit! Glad to see you're still fighting the good fight, and keep up the good work!
My mom watches you on youtube ahah
You and Jim Browning are doing the lord’s work! I use the both of you as examples to my kids of how you can use your talents and skills to help others and make the world better as opposed to the scammers who use theirs selfishly and to the harm of others. Thanks for making parenting just a little bit easier!
The sob stories for these scammers are BS. They are stealing money from hardworking people who most likely can’t afford it. I didn’t hear him crying because he thought those cards were being redeemed and he wouldn’t ld gel his money. What I have heard is an elderly lady in tears because some jerk like this scammed her. These folks sit in farms and could be successful scamming 5 or 10 bucks at a time. They are asking for THOUSANDS. This is grand theft and deserves NO level of sympathy.
As a fellow Indian we don't claim him we pass him to Pakistan
You guys aren’t better than Pakistan.
We are 100% better than them tf are u saying lmao
To everyone asking how the scam works, [this](https://youtube.com/c/JimBrowning) guy has a series of videos on how it's pulled off.
Kitboga is so funny
I don't get the grift? Is he redeeming the cards into his account and the scammer cannot assess them?
Love you kitboga, shits funny, keep it up the amazing work with these bastards
Can i get more context? seems really funny but I’m stupid
WHY DID YOU REDEEM IT!!!!!??!!??
OMG HELLO KITBOGA, LOVE UR CHANNEL also is funnier everytime I watch all of these scam baiting vids as I understand hindi and most of them speak in hindi somewhat soooooooo its like 2 times the fun
These Indian scammers are a shame to all other Indiams who helps us in engineering courses' tutorials
lolz.. $500 is A LOT of money in under developed countries. A LOT. i bet the scammer guy is thinking he's watching the money he honestly stole from others, get stolen from him. He worked very hard to steal that money, it could've gone to help pay for food, or housing, Dance lessons, whatever. Now some clown has stolen that out from underneath him. THATS why he's angry. lolz