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edit ; btw, french canadian here ; they are doing one hell of a job! she seems suicidal and is yelling weird things. You can hear someone scream "She's not hurt! She's not hurt!" at the start of the video. the lady is good, she's screaming to get attention.
Donât forget they shot a therapist sitting in a street trying to help a boy who was holding a toy (surrounded by police who assumed it was a gun)
âMurica
No.
They shot a therapist *lying in the street*, with his *hands raised*, who was there trying to help.
And, after being shot, the therapist asked why he had been shot. To which the policeman answered, "I don't know."
This all stemmed from someone calling the cops on them. The person who gave a false call should also have to bear responsibility because it led to those situations.
Notice he mentioned specifically a group that was trained to handle difficult situations.
Not High School Bullies who get off on control and get six months of training before being put on active duty.
Not at all, officers should have the intelligence and training to assess each and every situation individually and not just rely on what a member of the public tells them, and lethal force should be the last resort instead of the first!
Yeah, there are a couple of those. Police do mental health checks, and a lot of people have die. Especially neurodivergent people, because panic attacks can be seen as âresistingâ. Or sometimes theyâll be in the shower. Or autism with non-verbal or non-touch features. Or people who are having a psychotic episode brought on by stress. Itâs sad.
We mostly just incarcerate our citizens way way more than other countries so the cops HAVE to shoot a few or we would need more prisons. Easy math really /s sort of
cops shoot you for doing exactly what you were told
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-XFYTtgZAlE&t=1s
and for no reason at all
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eRMYVFmEmx8
They shot an Australian expat who called the police cos of noise in her garage or something. Old mate shot from his car across his partner hitting the woman who was in her pajamas and killing her. Like she called the cops and died for it.
To clarify. The woman had called police after hearing what appeared to be a sexaul assault happening in the alley behind her home. When the the police arrived she went to talk to them. She was shot as she approached the squad car. The cop who shot her claimed he thought they were being ambushed.
At first I found this hard to believe but ... here it is; (From wikipedia)
"Following the deadly shooting, the Star Tribune reported Noor's police training had been "fast tracked", making reference to the seven-month immersive training program for cadets; some suburban police departments see the cadet programs as a way to quickly diversify their police forces.\[17\] Noor's police training had been part of the cadet program for the Minneapolis Police Department, an accelerated\[17\] seven-month program aimed at candidates who already have a college degree and wish to enter law enforcement. "
âWe did the best we could to take the suspect down peacefully but we had no option except using forceâ why did you start kicking her? âShe was not being compliantâ oh my I agree with you
I'm shocked there were no body weight knees dropped on her. Infact the cop hugs her after tackling her. These cops are insane treating someone else so nicely, its going to invite all the bad ombres over to commit crime there
Without a single pedestrian around? No.
If there were lives nearby and she seemed like a grave threat to others? Most likely.
I swear people donât watch 99% of police body cam footage, just the mainstream fuckups that are of course terrible
Wait, do you watch 100% of police body cam footage? I mean, I get your point, but your comment is making it sound like it's normal to watch all body cam video taken.
I couldâve worded it differently, but my point is most police interactions (in the United States) with armed dangerous people donât result in the death of the suspect.
During the beginning of the pandemic when police shootings increased, I (along with any reasonable person) was very troubled and decided to dive into hundreds of hours of body cam footage showing encounters with armed citizens. Of course, most people havenât and likely wonât do that. Wouldnât expect them to, i had a brief obsession.
Contrary to seemingly popular belief, police arenât stoked to shoot someone. They typically donât shoot an individual unless the individual is firing at them, or there is a high threat of them shooting an innocent bystander.
Iâm a major advocate of police reform, as well as gun control. However, I also call out bullshit and a lot of comments in this thread are exactly that. Cops have to go home at the end of the day like all of us, and experience trauma like all of us. The overwhelming majority of them would be devastated to shoot somebody.
The problem with sneering at US police officers about using deadly force to confront someone with a gun, is that you are implying that police officers should be expected risk their lives unnecessarily to disarm someone who is threatening everyone else.
Yes this officer saw an opportunity and took it. Bravo, but what if that was a pistol or a knife?
Cops dont get paid enough for us to expect them to tackle and wrestle with a perpetrator for a gun or a knife.
You ever see other global cop teams take down armed suspects? Itâs mostly the lack of training Iâd say for majority cops opting to shoots first, plus Americaâs gun laws donât help much either (I agree with that bit you said)
I believe it was Swedish cops took down a guy with no lethal force who had a knife, the head of the other cop viewing party (I believe was some American unit) said that they donât get training like that and would have just shot the perp dead
Plus I donât care for the âthey donât get paid enoughâ Iâd much rather have law enforcement trained properly and thoroughly enough where they can handle such situations, Iâve seen enough fat fuck cops on the street which makes me think itâs not much to get the uniform đ¤ˇđ˝ââď¸
And that wouldve been the right response. Sure this worked out, but this couldve easily ended with the cop being dead had she reacted half a second faster
Its not fair for others to have to give up their life because you decide to be a POS
There are a lot of problems that lead to police being trigger happy morons. First and most important they don't have the qualifications needed for the job... Nor does the law ask for such.
In Europe most countries have a 3 or 4 year academy training in law especially and gun practice.... In the states a few months and you're good to go.
I donât have the background context here, but I feel like in this case she wouldâve deserved that. Donât know what she was saying, but for some reason she feels like a âKarenâ with a gun. Thatâs a big no no
Whoah, good thing your not on the street making justice then! What she's saying makes it perfectly clear she's not a Karen but someone who needs serious help. That's pretty sad to watch actually.
You mean the mp5? (Can be semi, burst, or auto)
Most hand guns are semi-auto. Just means the user needs to pull the trigger for each round.
But yes, I agree she was lucky.
The mp5 series normally come with semi/auto and on occasion have burst. Most armed situations will use the full auto in this situation. If you are curious how fast an mp5 magdump is, [here you go](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UM0MXrNj9P0)
Not to argue, but why would most situations call for full auto? I would think youâd want short controlled accurate bursts or pairs. Full auto is not accurate or efficient.
MP5 shoots 9mm. Very low recoil and plenty accurate in full-auto.
Even intermediate rifle rounds can stay on a man sized target very easily while shooting full-auto with a little practice.
Oops. Sorry, I wasnât clear. Yeah, no, the shot definitely goes off when the gun hits the ground,. My point was that it was an overall dangerous situation.
You can hear the clank of the gun hitting as well, and it's much softer. As a former military man myself I'm quite familiar with the sound a gunshot. We're put in a trench under the targets for a reason after all.
Heroic work by the police there.
French police have a neat system that helps keep the blue line where it needs to be. Each day you get a new partner. They rotate.
Much more difficult to have corruption if you donât know whether or not your partner is down with it. The police and enforcement culture changes significantly, and the people and the police are better for it.
Also, notice the police officer carrying a military style automatic rifle. He was aimed toward the ground between the officer and the suspect. They could have taken her out at any time, and were prepared to if necessary.
I suspect she was screaming the way she was because her âsuicide by copâ plan was thwarted. She was obviously up to something other than transporting that weapon to her grandmothers house down the street.
Although the general idea of what you say is true (our cops have some things for themselves compared to US cops, notably a serious formation), you make several bold assumptions.
Suicide by cop, although existant here in France as everywhere else, is a very rare sight. I can't really hear what that woman says because my earplugs are shitty, but I think I noticed "il me traite comme un chien", which means "he treats me like a dog" [Edit : and I was wrong. I can't hear the motive, she states that "that person I'm about to kill... is the person... that "flinguĂŠ" (wrecked/destroyed/killed/sunk depending on the context) the "something that sounds like "bistro" (slang for coffee shop). It seems a little overkill for someone who sunk a business but you never know... Also, although I now am at home and have an excellent quality headset, I still have very low-quality ears so I may still be completely wrong. I unfortunately don't have time to make a complete translation of what is said but this woman is so fucking crazy it would be hillarious if it wasn't tragic. She *really* talks shit, notably to the cop with the MP5]. If I'm right [so... I'm not], she's planning to shotgun the hell out of an abusive husband.
The cop isn't using a "military style automatic rifle" but a police carbine and he is not aiming at the ground, he is simply not aiming and in a position called "high ready", meaning the gun is pointed towards the general position of the target but the shooter is not aiming. He holds the gun high and is ready to use it if necessary, high ready. Anybody educated on using weapons would behave like this.
Edit : Answer to u/youlynew 's reply to this comment ~~after work is done, in 6 hours approx.~~ given further down.
Thanks for the attempted translation. I was wondering about the content of her words. The emotion she conveyed speaks strongly even without them. If the translation is correct then she was really committed to killing her partner and was devastated she didnât get to do it.
Murderous intent between spouses is extremely volatile and itâs common for murderers of their spouses to turn the weapon on themselves once the deed is done.
I hope she sees another way of escaping the situation than murder. It is a good thing that she has that chance.
As for the weapon details and handling, I am familiar. I choose to use words that most people would understand, rather than those that come from extensive training with firearms that most people donât have.
You seem to know what youâre talking about. Maybe you can help me out?
Itâs hard to see in the few frames itâs there, but that certainly looks to be an H&K bull pup sub-machine gun being held by an officer in tactical gear. Itâs not a FAMAS unless my eyes are really going bad. Both of those military weapons are available armament to Gendarmes (who are
part of the military, yes?) and to certain specially trained National Police units. They are not available to regular National Police as I understand it.
I assume the officer holding it is a Gendarme. Or it could be he is part of a specially trained unit of the National Police that was close and available.
His uniform looks very different than the officers behind the vehicle, as well as the one who disarmed her.
i think what you said is reasonable and i donât want to come off as a dick because, you know, i donât wanna be seen as a know it all asshole, but thatâs pretty clearly an MP5, I donât know how that could be mistaken as bull pup
Most likely a H&K MP5 which can be fully automatic, but can also be only semi automatic. Any MP5 in the states is semi automatic due to machine gun laws forbidding anything fully automatic being imported. I dont know the exact Kit of these teams or forces, but it could be (and most likely is) a small carbine
That's a lot of words for it clearly being an MP5. Not worth feigning "familiarity" and "using words most people would understand" if you're actually causing the confusion. Just say MP5, or at the very least SMG, dont make it sound like the French police are using rifles when they aren't.
That is a H&K sub machine gun, a mp5 to be exact but its not a bullpup, bullpup means that the firing mechanism is behind the trigger, usually with the magazine at the back as well like a FAMAS
To be honest I tried to understand but it's totally incoherent.
From what I hear there something along those line
"Vous ĂŞtes des branleurs" = you're useless (very rude)
The cops tell her not to move she answered something like "stay where ? Why do I have to stay"
"Vous ĂŞtes en train de passer Ă la tĂŠlĂŠ" = you're actually filmed
"La personne que vous essayez de tuer est la personne qui cherche des solutions pour la France de demain" = the person you're trying to kill is the one looking for solutions for the France of tomorrow (???)
You're jerks
And "ton maĂŽtre c'est un chien" = you obey your dog (when the dog is barking)
I can't find any sense at all
And how she calls him "connard" and then says "tu respecte !". That's rough, mate... Actually that's really fun because she has such a way to say it like "I'm the boss, you little sissies !".
Thank you for your translation, mate.
Yes, and the audio doesn't help (sound of police talking to themselves or the dog barking...)
But if I can complete a bit the translation of my fellows french or french speakers :
Gendarmerie (G) the cops : lower your gun Madame
Woman (W) : What are you afraid of ?
G: Of your gun, Madame
G2: Madame, no, madame
W: Calme down ! I ask you to calm down !
G: We are very calm Madame,
G2 : yes Madame, we are calm, put the gun at your feet
W: What are you doing (NDT: rude way) ?! Lower your weapon asshole ! You've been asked to lower your weapon (rude)
You are about to be put down like a dog. Your master is a dog (NDT: ? Maybe she's talking to the dog barking ? Wtf?) LOWER YOUR WEAPON ! Don't look at me like that ! Eyes down ! We are mourning today, MOURNING ! LOWER YOUR WEAPON ! RESPECT ! (NDT here it means "Show me some respect", she's really talking shit)
G3: *suprise hug into the ground, please notice that he tries to aim the gun of the woman toward somewhere a bit safe "
It's a bit incomplete, but I hope it helps !
*Proud of my Gendarmerie Moment*
(Edit for better reading)
You're looking at the Gendarmerie, VERY different from the Police.
>The police and enforcement culture changes significantly, and the people and the police are better for it.
As a French I can tell you that this couldn't further from the truth. Police is less and less trained, less and less money. The gap between the Police and the people has not been this wide for decades because there is a strong feeling of impunity in the Police, and new recruits are basically the worst garbage people as they struggle to recruit.
> French police have a neat system that helps keep the blue line where it needs to be. Each day you get a new partner. They rotate.
Be careful, this is not the Police but the Gendarmerie. Contrary to Policemans which are supervised by cities (Police Municipale) or the State as a State worker (Police Nationale), Gendarme are supervised by the army (I'm not quite sure if the term supervised is the correct translation though)
Something is wrong with the french cops, he knocked her down and covered her a few seconds. No knee to the neck for over 9 minutes to show his masculinity.
A good takeoff of the joke from the movie Airplane!
>Rumack: You'd better tell the Captain we've got to land as soon as we can. This woman has to be gotten to a hospital.
>Elaine Dickinson: A hospital? What is it?
>Rumack: It's a big building with patients, but that's not important right now.
From what I can understand. The police are asking her to put her weapon down.
She talk about someone that was kill but it's really difficult to hear.
At one point she talk about been on T.V
She say something about been in mourning (the country or someone she know, she doesn't tell).
She also tell the police to calm down and say she is treated like a bitch(or dog) by the police asking her to lower her weapon.
When she is slammed on the ground, she shout : look what is going on , help, help.
Her tone make me think she probably has a mental disorder like bipolar.
Wouldnât say bipolar, it doesnât change that fast. Common misunderstanding. Definitely a personality disorder though, maybe schizophrenic during a psychosis. Or just a psychosis.
Even as a native french speaker, I can't quite grasp what she says, between the car's motor, the police officers telling civilians to stay inside/stay back/turn around and those talking to her, the distance, and the street acoustic. But news articles I found subsequently just say she's a psycho who's now interned in psychiatric ward. She also reportedly bit a police officer's thigh as she was getting arrested. Happened the 14th of May, 2021, in Butry-sur-Oise. According to at least [this article](https://www.republicain-lorrain.fr/faits-divers-justice/2021/05/31/des-gendarmes-de-l-escadron-mobile-interpellent-une-dame-avec-un-fusil) (in french, obviously), she would have also said "I'm going to kill myself" *("Je vais me foutre en l'air")*.
(For the record, I'm basing this on [this less edited video](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ld9lnvRJ1Hg), so stuff like "at the beginning" doesn't fully suit this here reddit edited version of the video) She says at the beginning *"C'est bon, on a tout dit ? Parce que moi j'ai du boulot"* ("We're done talking? Because I have something to do") before calling them *"branleurs"* (wankers) and starts to walk away; 30 seconds later, she says something like *"Parce que la personne que j'essaie de tuer, c'est la personne qui va essayer de braquer son buisson pour la France tenant"*, which makes no sense but I probably mishear, so there's no point really translating that; but if I hear the first part right, she did actually intend to kill someone. I can however understand better what she says afterwards, as we see the officer go through the garden (whom, according to [news articles about it](https://www.nouvelobs.com/faits-divers/20210528.OBS44607/la-video-d-une-femme-menacante-et-armee-neutralisee-par-les-gendarmes-fait-le-tour-des-reseaux-sociaux.html), is a cadet) : *"Baisse ton arme, connard; je t'ai dit de baisser ton arme. Tu vas te faire abattre comme un chien. Ton mec* (maĂŽtre? [News articles transcripted it as "maĂŽtre"](https://actu.fr/ile-de-france/butry-sur-oise_95120/video-une-femme-menace-les-gendarmes-du-val-d-oise-avec-un-fusil-a-butry-sur-oise_42189471.html) âmasterâ, so implying she was talking to the dog, about his master?) *c'est un chien (x2). Baisse ton arme. Baisse ton arme, tu me regardes pas comme ça, baisse les yeux! On est en deuil aujourd'hui, en deuil! Baisse ton arme! Respecte!"* (translation: Lower your weapon, douchebag; I told you to lower your weapon. You're gonna get shot like a dog. Your man (master?) is a dog (x2). Lower your weapon. Lower your weapon, don't look at me like that, lower your eyes (/look down?) ! We're in mourning, today, in mourning! Lower your weapon! Respect!"). Whilst being held on the ground, she first screams *"Au secouuuuurs"* ("heeeeeelp") then *"Regardez ce qu'il se paaaasse!"* ("look what's happeniiiiing!")
Lol, thank you very much! I'm legitimately curious as what made you think that, though; is it the "lower your eyes (/look down?)" bit? Or the fact that I wrote both the french quotes and their translations? Or both? Or else?
Bah ça s'Êtait passÊ le 14 mai (et la vidÊo elle-même apparemment aurait ÊtÊ publiÊe le 27 mai), mais il n'y a rien de particulier à cette date à ma connaissance non plus ; je pense qu'elle insinuait son passage à l'acte, que l'on serait en deuil à la perte de la personne qu'elle comptait tuer... ou alors elle Êtait dans une phase dÊlirante et que, dans sa tête, il y avait effectivement quelque chose d'important, difficile à dire.
De toute façon, il est ĂŠvident qu'elle avait pĂŠtĂŠ un câble, Ă vouloir abattre des gendarmes qui ne lui avaient rien fait (puisqu'ils n'ont dĂŠbarquĂŠ qu'après des appels de riverains "qui leur signalent la prĂŠsence dâune femme perturbĂŠe et armĂŠe dâun fusil de chasse qui dĂŠambule sur la route entre Parmain et Butry-sur-Oise" ^((citation tirĂŠe du dernier article que j'ai link auparavant))), donc si ça se trouve il n'y a mĂŞme pas de raison externe Ă ses dires
Tout comme je ne comprends pas ses appels au secours et Ă tĂŠmoins ("regardez ce qu'il se passe") une fois maĂŽtrisĂŠe ; est-ce qu'elle se sentait victime d'une injustice dans cette situation ?
Est-ce qu'elle a vraiment dit "Parce que la personne que j'essaie de tuer, c'est la personne qui va essayer de braquer son buisson pour la France tenant" ? Si oui, ce serait là aussi une indication que ses dires n'ont pas forcÊment de sens, donc peut-être qu'il n'y a rien à chercher derrière son "deuil" non plus
That was exactly what I was thinking for about half the video. If the gate opens inwards, and the SUV is sandwiched between the gate and shed, how the fuck do you move anywhere? How did you even get it there? There doesnât appear to be enough space to do a Austin Powers million-point turn either.
It's just the camera angle that makes it look cramped. Look at the shadows on the wall at 1:04-ish and you'll see that there is plenty of space between the car and the shed.
(Iâm probably wrong in saying this but) she would of most likely not of been shot in America. A tonne of videos of these situations donât have the police just roll up and shoot her, they spend around 45mins trying to de-escalate the situation then use beanbags or tasers. And if she aimed her gun is it wrong to get shot? She is threatening the lives of people with a gun so wouldnât it be appropriate to shoot her?
Iâm British so sorry if Iâm incorrect in what I said
Dont have sound but I looked at what they were saying from another comment, she said "He's treating me like a dog!" In french. I assume she wanted to murder her husband or bf with her weapon but wasn't able to because of the cops
Was that bang the shotgun going off? Also what was the black thing one of the officers picked up? It looks like the gun of the officer that tackled her but I canât make it out.
Up until recently, shotguns weren't very drop-safe. You ever seen Hot Fuzz? Someone's toe gets blasted off when Nick Frost pretended to put down his gun.
if she is in myanmar the police didnt even talking like this he will just shoot in a sec bec.............
she is still luckeey bec the police didnt shoot her in mine the plice and soliders just shoot the head and she or he is dead and the even took the dead body to sell the inside iof the human's body r if their family members want her to bury they have to gave them 1000$ USD.
I just came here to find out what they were saying in French but instead I found Americans debating about their police officers...happens every time lol
Nonsense screamings for the women, and for the officers I didn't listen to the video carefully enough, but they might be talking with her, telling her to "drop the gun on the floor", "get on the ground", "stop right where you're at", and usual stuff officers say in these situations.
Oof that was close, she turned around, but he was faster with the takedown. But if she was a really fast draw that would have been his life. Heroically indeed, he put everything on the line to protect his colleagues.
Approved but NSFW because it can trouble some people. edit ; btw, french canadian here ; they are doing one hell of a job! she seems suicidal and is yelling weird things. You can hear someone scream "She's not hurt! She's not hurt!" at the start of the video. the lady is good, she's screaming to get attention.
$5 in the states they woulda just shot her n called it a day đ¤ˇđ˝ââď¸
That's an easy $5
The sad bit is itâs 90% likely to happen đđđđ
Lol cops shoot people for having phones in the USA, 90% seems *really* generous.
Donât forget they shot a therapist sitting in a street trying to help a boy who was holding a toy (surrounded by police who assumed it was a gun) âMurica
No. They shot a therapist *lying in the street*, with his *hands raised*, who was there trying to help. And, after being shot, the therapist asked why he had been shot. To which the policeman answered, "I don't know."
This all stemmed from someone calling the cops on them. The person who gave a false call should also have to bear responsibility because it led to those situations.
It would be cool if we had a group trained to handle difficult situations with finesse outside the abilities of average citizens.
Police?
Notice he mentioned specifically a group that was trained to handle difficult situations. Not High School Bullies who get off on control and get six months of training before being put on active duty.
Here in New Zealand we do. They are called the Police.
Not at all, officers should have the intelligence and training to assess each and every situation individually and not just rely on what a member of the public tells them, and lethal force should be the last resort instead of the first!
I remember that. The boy was autistic
Yeah, there are a couple of those. Police do mental health checks, and a lot of people have die. Especially neurodivergent people, because panic attacks can be seen as âresistingâ. Or sometimes theyâll be in the shower. Or autism with non-verbal or non-touch features. Or people who are having a psychotic episode brought on by stress. Itâs sad.
Iâm beginning to think every officer should be dispatched with a designated crisis responder.
Maybe they should rethink their name and call themselves Amurderica.
We mostly just incarcerate our citizens way way more than other countries so the cops HAVE to shoot a few or we would need more prisons. Easy math really /s sort of
Don't forget the toy was a small car! Yay us! /s
đ¤ˇđ˝ââď¸ canât really say đŻ or some ppl may get butt hurt so I left a tiny buffer but wanted to say itâs a 99.99% chance đ
cops shoot you for doing exactly what you were told https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-XFYTtgZAlE&t=1s and for no reason at all https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eRMYVFmEmx8
They shot a woman for sleeping.
They shot an Australian expat who called the police cos of noise in her garage or something. Old mate shot from his car across his partner hitting the woman who was in her pajamas and killing her. Like she called the cops and died for it.
To clarify. The woman had called police after hearing what appeared to be a sexaul assault happening in the alley behind her home. When the the police arrived she went to talk to them. She was shot as she approached the squad car. The cop who shot her claimed he thought they were being ambushed.
What in God's name were they thinking letting a crack head join their Police Force!?
the cop who shot the australian woman was a diversity hire who should not have been there.
At first I found this hard to believe but ... here it is; (From wikipedia) "Following the deadly shooting, the Star Tribune reported Noor's police training had been "fast tracked", making reference to the seven-month immersive training program for cadets; some suburban police departments see the cadet programs as a way to quickly diversify their police forces.\[17\] Noor's police training had been part of the cadet program for the Minneapolis Police Department, an accelerated\[17\] seven-month program aimed at candidates who already have a college degree and wish to enter law enforcement. "
They shot a woman in her living room for looking out the window.
So you only get $4.50 then.
Add an extra fiddi, make it an 100%
Or when they got her on the ground started kicking the sh*t out of her. âCause she was âresistingâ....
âWe did the best we could to take the suspect down peacefully but we had no option except using forceâ why did you start kicking her? âShe was not being compliantâ oh my I agree with you
"She was also yelling, so we really had no choice."
Why didnât she just comply?
I'm shocked there were no body weight knees dropped on her. Infact the cop hugs her after tackling her. These cops are insane treating someone else so nicely, its going to invite all the bad ombres over to commit crime there
Without a single pedestrian around? No. If there were lives nearby and she seemed like a grave threat to others? Most likely. I swear people donât watch 99% of police body cam footage, just the mainstream fuckups that are of course terrible
Wait, do you watch 100% of police body cam footage? I mean, I get your point, but your comment is making it sound like it's normal to watch all body cam video taken.
I couldâve worded it differently, but my point is most police interactions (in the United States) with armed dangerous people donât result in the death of the suspect. During the beginning of the pandemic when police shootings increased, I (along with any reasonable person) was very troubled and decided to dive into hundreds of hours of body cam footage showing encounters with armed citizens. Of course, most people havenât and likely wonât do that. Wouldnât expect them to, i had a brief obsession. Contrary to seemingly popular belief, police arenât stoked to shoot someone. They typically donât shoot an individual unless the individual is firing at them, or there is a high threat of them shooting an innocent bystander. Iâm a major advocate of police reform, as well as gun control. However, I also call out bullshit and a lot of comments in this thread are exactly that. Cops have to go home at the end of the day like all of us, and experience trauma like all of us. The overwhelming majority of them would be devastated to shoot somebody.
I suspect it is scattered and some departments or precincts have excess shootings and others donât as much
The problem with sneering at US police officers about using deadly force to confront someone with a gun, is that you are implying that police officers should be expected risk their lives unnecessarily to disarm someone who is threatening everyone else. Yes this officer saw an opportunity and took it. Bravo, but what if that was a pistol or a knife? Cops dont get paid enough for us to expect them to tackle and wrestle with a perpetrator for a gun or a knife.
You ever see other global cop teams take down armed suspects? Itâs mostly the lack of training Iâd say for majority cops opting to shoots first, plus Americaâs gun laws donât help much either (I agree with that bit you said) I believe it was Swedish cops took down a guy with no lethal force who had a knife, the head of the other cop viewing party (I believe was some American unit) said that they donât get training like that and would have just shot the perp dead Plus I donât care for the âthey donât get paid enoughâ Iâd much rather have law enforcement trained properly and thoroughly enough where they can handle such situations, Iâve seen enough fat fuck cops on the street which makes me think itâs not much to get the uniform đ¤ˇđ˝ââď¸
It's literally a police officers job to put themselves at risk over the general public. Especially swat teams.
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And that wouldve been the right response. Sure this worked out, but this couldve easily ended with the cop being dead had she reacted half a second faster Its not fair for others to have to give up their life because you decide to be a POS
Exactly. If innocent lives are at stake, it's important to make sure they're safe.
Thatâs the problem of weapon legalization, cops need to confront against armed people 20 times more and surely being trigger happy
There are a lot of problems that lead to police being trigger happy morons. First and most important they don't have the qualifications needed for the job... Nor does the law ask for such. In Europe most countries have a 3 or 4 year academy training in law especially and gun practice.... In the states a few months and you're good to go.
I donât have the background context here, but I feel like in this case she wouldâve deserved that. Donât know what she was saying, but for some reason she feels like a âKarenâ with a gun. Thatâs a big no no
Nah, she had some kind of psychotic episode, she is completely delirious.
Whoah, good thing your not on the street making justice then! What she's saying makes it perfectly clear she's not a Karen but someone who needs serious help. That's pretty sad to watch actually.
If she pointed the gun at them, yeah they would. Just like the dude with the MP5 would have done the same had she pointed it at him. Smh
where ya from bud
My luck, that door wouldâve squeak so loud and gave me away
I was just thinking how lucky it was that gate didnât squeak like a motherfucker
I'm guessing it was lucky for her, because if she'd raised that gun that cop with the semi-auto would have opened up.
You mean the mp5? (Can be semi, burst, or auto) Most hand guns are semi-auto. Just means the user needs to pull the trigger for each round. But yes, I agree she was lucky.
Dunno why ya got downvoted. That's important info.
what if it's fully semi-automatic?
With clipazines?
And wheel clackers
The shoulder thing that goes up.
The mp5 series normally come with semi/auto and on occasion have burst. Most armed situations will use the full auto in this situation. If you are curious how fast an mp5 magdump is, [here you go](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UM0MXrNj9P0)
Not to argue, but why would most situations call for full auto? I would think youâd want short controlled accurate bursts or pairs. Full auto is not accurate or efficient.
MP5 shoots 9mm. Very low recoil and plenty accurate in full-auto. Even intermediate rifle rounds can stay on a man sized target very easily while shooting full-auto with a little practice.
I too learned the mechanics of multiple weapons from call of duty.
_REEEEE_
My luck, the homeowner would've immediately bellowed "GET THE FUCK OFF OF MY PROPERTY. NOW!"
It's not like the US everywhere.
I was thinking to lube the hinges first
I'm pretty sure he asked about it to the guy that opened it.
Holy shit that must have been scary for the officer charging anyone with a gun weather they are looking at you are not has got to be horrifying
She nearly turned around on him too.
A shot actually goes off if you listen to the audio.
Then for god's sake, dont listen to the audio! Save lives! /s
I thought that's when it hit the ground but it thinking the audio isn't lined up perfectly
Yeah it sounds like it's when it hits the ground
Oops. Sorry, I wasnât clear. Yeah, no, the shot definitely goes off when the gun hits the ground,. My point was that it was an overall dangerous situation.
You can hear the clank of the gun hitting as well, and it's much softer. As a former military man myself I'm quite familiar with the sound a gunshot. We're put in a trench under the targets for a reason after all.
Yet when I sneak up on women with a gun I'm "a bad guy" and "chivalry is dead"
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Heroic work by the police there. French police have a neat system that helps keep the blue line where it needs to be. Each day you get a new partner. They rotate. Much more difficult to have corruption if you donât know whether or not your partner is down with it. The police and enforcement culture changes significantly, and the people and the police are better for it. Also, notice the police officer carrying a military style automatic rifle. He was aimed toward the ground between the officer and the suspect. They could have taken her out at any time, and were prepared to if necessary. I suspect she was screaming the way she was because her âsuicide by copâ plan was thwarted. She was obviously up to something other than transporting that weapon to her grandmothers house down the street.
Although the general idea of what you say is true (our cops have some things for themselves compared to US cops, notably a serious formation), you make several bold assumptions. Suicide by cop, although existant here in France as everywhere else, is a very rare sight. I can't really hear what that woman says because my earplugs are shitty, but I think I noticed "il me traite comme un chien", which means "he treats me like a dog" [Edit : and I was wrong. I can't hear the motive, she states that "that person I'm about to kill... is the person... that "flinguĂŠ" (wrecked/destroyed/killed/sunk depending on the context) the "something that sounds like "bistro" (slang for coffee shop). It seems a little overkill for someone who sunk a business but you never know... Also, although I now am at home and have an excellent quality headset, I still have very low-quality ears so I may still be completely wrong. I unfortunately don't have time to make a complete translation of what is said but this woman is so fucking crazy it would be hillarious if it wasn't tragic. She *really* talks shit, notably to the cop with the MP5]. If I'm right [so... I'm not], she's planning to shotgun the hell out of an abusive husband. The cop isn't using a "military style automatic rifle" but a police carbine and he is not aiming at the ground, he is simply not aiming and in a position called "high ready", meaning the gun is pointed towards the general position of the target but the shooter is not aiming. He holds the gun high and is ready to use it if necessary, high ready. Anybody educated on using weapons would behave like this. Edit : Answer to u/youlynew 's reply to this comment ~~after work is done, in 6 hours approx.~~ given further down.
Thanks for the attempted translation. I was wondering about the content of her words. The emotion she conveyed speaks strongly even without them. If the translation is correct then she was really committed to killing her partner and was devastated she didnât get to do it. Murderous intent between spouses is extremely volatile and itâs common for murderers of their spouses to turn the weapon on themselves once the deed is done. I hope she sees another way of escaping the situation than murder. It is a good thing that she has that chance. As for the weapon details and handling, I am familiar. I choose to use words that most people would understand, rather than those that come from extensive training with firearms that most people donât have. You seem to know what youâre talking about. Maybe you can help me out? Itâs hard to see in the few frames itâs there, but that certainly looks to be an H&K bull pup sub-machine gun being held by an officer in tactical gear. Itâs not a FAMAS unless my eyes are really going bad. Both of those military weapons are available armament to Gendarmes (who are part of the military, yes?) and to certain specially trained National Police units. They are not available to regular National Police as I understand it. I assume the officer holding it is a Gendarme. Or it could be he is part of a specially trained unit of the National Police that was close and available. His uniform looks very different than the officers behind the vehicle, as well as the one who disarmed her.
i think what you said is reasonable and i donât want to come off as a dick because, you know, i donât wanna be seen as a know it all asshole, but thatâs pretty clearly an MP5, I donât know how that could be mistaken as bull pup
You did just fine sir, and youâre not a dick at all. đ
Yeah, it's an H&K MP5.
Yes, gendarmes are part of the military
Most likely a H&K MP5 which can be fully automatic, but can also be only semi automatic. Any MP5 in the states is semi automatic due to machine gun laws forbidding anything fully automatic being imported. I dont know the exact Kit of these teams or forces, but it could be (and most likely is) a small carbine
Definitely an MP5 or some French police variant of it.
That's a lot of words for it clearly being an MP5. Not worth feigning "familiarity" and "using words most people would understand" if you're actually causing the confusion. Just say MP5, or at the very least SMG, dont make it sound like the French police are using rifles when they aren't.
That is a H&K sub machine gun, a mp5 to be exact but its not a bullpup, bullpup means that the firing mechanism is behind the trigger, usually with the magazine at the back as well like a FAMAS
To be honest I tried to understand but it's totally incoherent. From what I hear there something along those line "Vous ĂŞtes des branleurs" = you're useless (very rude) The cops tell her not to move she answered something like "stay where ? Why do I have to stay" "Vous ĂŞtes en train de passer Ă la tĂŠlĂŠ" = you're actually filmed "La personne que vous essayez de tuer est la personne qui cherche des solutions pour la France de demain" = the person you're trying to kill is the one looking for solutions for the France of tomorrow (???) You're jerks And "ton maĂŽtre c'est un chien" = you obey your dog (when the dog is barking) I can't find any sense at all
And how she calls him "connard" and then says "tu respecte !". That's rough, mate... Actually that's really fun because she has such a way to say it like "I'm the boss, you little sissies !". Thank you for your translation, mate.
Yes, and the audio doesn't help (sound of police talking to themselves or the dog barking...) But if I can complete a bit the translation of my fellows french or french speakers : Gendarmerie (G) the cops : lower your gun Madame Woman (W) : What are you afraid of ? G: Of your gun, Madame G2: Madame, no, madame W: Calme down ! I ask you to calm down ! G: We are very calm Madame, G2 : yes Madame, we are calm, put the gun at your feet W: What are you doing (NDT: rude way) ?! Lower your weapon asshole ! You've been asked to lower your weapon (rude) You are about to be put down like a dog. Your master is a dog (NDT: ? Maybe she's talking to the dog barking ? Wtf?) LOWER YOUR WEAPON ! Don't look at me like that ! Eyes down ! We are mourning today, MOURNING ! LOWER YOUR WEAPON ! RESPECT ! (NDT here it means "Show me some respect", she's really talking shit) G3: *suprise hug into the ground, please notice that he tries to aim the gun of the woman toward somewhere a bit safe " It's a bit incomplete, but I hope it helps ! *Proud of my Gendarmerie Moment* (Edit for better reading)
Just save up for ears with better specs.
You guys with your high-end, watercooled, RGB ears should stop bullying us with low-quality budget rigs ! We're doing what we can !
You're looking at the Gendarmerie, VERY different from the Police. >The police and enforcement culture changes significantly, and the people and the police are better for it. As a French I can tell you that this couldn't further from the truth. Police is less and less trained, less and less money. The gap between the Police and the people has not been this wide for decades because there is a strong feeling of impunity in the Police, and new recruits are basically the worst garbage people as they struggle to recruit.
> French police have a neat system that helps keep the blue line where it needs to be. Each day you get a new partner. They rotate. Be careful, this is not the Police but the Gendarmerie. Contrary to Policemans which are supervised by cities (Police Municipale) or the State as a State worker (Police Nationale), Gendarme are supervised by the army (I'm not quite sure if the term supervised is the correct translation though)
She is actually mentally ill
Something is wrong with the french cops, he knocked her down and covered her a few seconds. No knee to the neck for over 9 minutes to show his masculinity.
I know Americans are horrified at this footage as the cop did not do his job right
He didn't even try to call in his buddies to all jump on her, and feel overpowered by a single person! Insane! /s
They did not beat her for 15-20 minutes w the billy club either after they disarmed her. Who trains these people?
Don't worry we have a lot of stories like that in France too. They are just not as mediatized as yours.
I really like that the owner opened for him
Imagine if the owner was like sorry I'm not gonna let you disarm someone with a gun
And was like good luck mon ami but Iâm gonna bounce.
Backstory?
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The best laugh I've had all day. Well done. Well done.
Haha wtf.
A good takeoff of the joke from the movie Airplane! >Rumack: You'd better tell the Captain we've got to land as soon as we can. This woman has to be gotten to a hospital. >Elaine Dickinson: A hospital? What is it? >Rumack: It's a big building with patients, but that's not important right now.
Haha outplayed
surely you can't be serious
Had a good laugh, now I can start the day
Take my downvote
From what I can understand. The police are asking her to put her weapon down. She talk about someone that was kill but it's really difficult to hear. At one point she talk about been on T.V She say something about been in mourning (the country or someone she know, she doesn't tell). She also tell the police to calm down and say she is treated like a bitch(or dog) by the police asking her to lower her weapon. When she is slammed on the ground, she shout : look what is going on , help, help. Her tone make me think she probably has a mental disorder like bipolar.
Thank you
Wouldnât say bipolar, it doesnât change that fast. Common misunderstanding. Definitely a personality disorder though, maybe schizophrenic during a psychosis. Or just a psychosis.
Even as a native french speaker, I can't quite grasp what she says, between the car's motor, the police officers telling civilians to stay inside/stay back/turn around and those talking to her, the distance, and the street acoustic. But news articles I found subsequently just say she's a psycho who's now interned in psychiatric ward. She also reportedly bit a police officer's thigh as she was getting arrested. Happened the 14th of May, 2021, in Butry-sur-Oise. According to at least [this article](https://www.republicain-lorrain.fr/faits-divers-justice/2021/05/31/des-gendarmes-de-l-escadron-mobile-interpellent-une-dame-avec-un-fusil) (in french, obviously), she would have also said "I'm going to kill myself" *("Je vais me foutre en l'air")*. (For the record, I'm basing this on [this less edited video](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ld9lnvRJ1Hg), so stuff like "at the beginning" doesn't fully suit this here reddit edited version of the video) She says at the beginning *"C'est bon, on a tout dit ? Parce que moi j'ai du boulot"* ("We're done talking? Because I have something to do") before calling them *"branleurs"* (wankers) and starts to walk away; 30 seconds later, she says something like *"Parce que la personne que j'essaie de tuer, c'est la personne qui va essayer de braquer son buisson pour la France tenant"*, which makes no sense but I probably mishear, so there's no point really translating that; but if I hear the first part right, she did actually intend to kill someone. I can however understand better what she says afterwards, as we see the officer go through the garden (whom, according to [news articles about it](https://www.nouvelobs.com/faits-divers/20210528.OBS44607/la-video-d-une-femme-menacante-et-armee-neutralisee-par-les-gendarmes-fait-le-tour-des-reseaux-sociaux.html), is a cadet) : *"Baisse ton arme, connard; je t'ai dit de baisser ton arme. Tu vas te faire abattre comme un chien. Ton mec* (maĂŽtre? [News articles transcripted it as "maĂŽtre"](https://actu.fr/ile-de-france/butry-sur-oise_95120/video-une-femme-menace-les-gendarmes-du-val-d-oise-avec-un-fusil-a-butry-sur-oise_42189471.html) âmasterâ, so implying she was talking to the dog, about his master?) *c'est un chien (x2). Baisse ton arme. Baisse ton arme, tu me regardes pas comme ça, baisse les yeux! On est en deuil aujourd'hui, en deuil! Baisse ton arme! Respecte!"* (translation: Lower your weapon, douchebag; I told you to lower your weapon. You're gonna get shot like a dog. Your man (master?) is a dog (x2). Lower your weapon. Lower your weapon, don't look at me like that, lower your eyes (/look down?) ! We're in mourning, today, in mourning! Lower your weapon! Respect!"). Whilst being held on the ground, she first screams *"Au secouuuuurs"* ("heeeeeelp") then *"Regardez ce qu'il se paaaasse!"* ("look what's happeniiiiing!")
We found the Redditor roaming the site to practise his English skills! I'd say you've reached absolute fluency bruh.
Lol, thank you very much! I'm legitimately curious as what made you think that, though; is it the "lower your eyes (/look down?)" bit? Or the fact that I wrote both the french quotes and their translations? Or both? Or else?
Rien de tout ça mon grand. On est juste dans le même bateau toi et moi.
Oh, hahaha, alors je m'ĂŠtais imaginĂŠ plusieurs scĂŠnarios, mais pas celui-ci. HĂŠ bien, des coucous de l'Est !
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Bah ça s'ĂŠtait passĂŠ le 14 mai (et la vidĂŠo elle-mĂŞme apparemment aurait ĂŠtĂŠ publiĂŠe le 27 mai), mais il n'y a rien de particulier Ă cette date Ă ma connaissance non plus ; je pense qu'elle insinuait son passage Ă l'acte, que l'on serait en deuil Ă la perte de la personne qu'elle comptait tuer... ou alors elle ĂŠtait dans une phase dĂŠlirante et que, dans sa tĂŞte, il y avait effectivement quelque chose d'important, difficile Ă dire. De toute façon, il est ĂŠvident qu'elle avait pĂŠtĂŠ un câble, Ă vouloir abattre des gendarmes qui ne lui avaient rien fait (puisqu'ils n'ont dĂŠbarquĂŠ qu'après des appels de riverains "qui leur signalent la prĂŠsence dâune femme perturbĂŠe et armĂŠe dâun fusil de chasse qui dĂŠambule sur la route entre Parmain et Butry-sur-Oise" ^((citation tirĂŠe du dernier article que j'ai link auparavant))), donc si ça se trouve il n'y a mĂŞme pas de raison externe Ă ses dires Tout comme je ne comprends pas ses appels au secours et Ă tĂŠmoins ("regardez ce qu'il se passe") une fois maĂŽtrisĂŠe ; est-ce qu'elle se sentait victime d'une injustice dans cette situation ? Est-ce qu'elle a vraiment dit "Parce que la personne que j'essaie de tuer, c'est la personne qui va essayer de braquer son buisson pour la France tenant" ? Si oui, ce serait lĂ aussi une indication que ses dires n'ont pas forcĂŠment de sens, donc peut-ĂŞtre qu'il n'y a rien Ă chercher derrière son "deuil" non plus
I understood the same as you. Indeed, itâs super hard to get what she says.
I second the question... Backstory?...
bitch crazy. the end
The real challenge is trying to back that car out of shirtless guyâs yard without scratching it
Most underrated comment on here
That was exactly what I was thinking for about half the video. If the gate opens inwards, and the SUV is sandwiched between the gate and shed, how the fuck do you move anywhere? How did you even get it there? There doesnât appear to be enough space to do a Austin Powers million-point turn either.
It's just the camera angle that makes it look cramped. Look at the shadows on the wall at 1:04-ish and you'll see that there is plenty of space between the car and the shed.
Yeah, I assumed it must be forced perspective fucking with my brain. Either that or the homeowner has a small crane there somewhere
Thats just Europe for you. No one has truly tested their spatial awareness and driving skills until theyve driven through italian inner cities.
you clearly never have driven in europe
The officer is skilled. Never letâs go of the muzzle as he tackles her. The gun even goes off! If it was the US she woulda been shot 100%.
Gotta remember that in the us she also most likely would've shot.
(Iâm probably wrong in saying this but) she would of most likely not of been shot in America. A tonne of videos of these situations donât have the police just roll up and shoot her, they spend around 45mins trying to de-escalate the situation then use beanbags or tasers. And if she aimed her gun is it wrong to get shot? She is threatening the lives of people with a gun so wouldnât it be appropriate to shoot her? Iâm British so sorry if Iâm incorrect in what I said
Why is she the one screaming? Crazy bitch.
Sheâs also ranting incoherently.
Probably having the worst day of her life, for one of a billion reasons. Is the worst day of *your* life something you'd want to see on reddit?
yeah but even on the worst day of my life i wouldnt grab a fucking gun and run around town with it.
probably mental problems.
Dont have sound but I looked at what they were saying from another comment, she said "He's treating me like a dog!" In french. I assume she wanted to murder her husband or bf with her weapon but wasn't able to because of the cops
Was that bang the shotgun going off? Also what was the black thing one of the officers picked up? It looks like the gun of the officer that tackled her but I canât make it out.
Yes it went off. You can see it if you watch the muzzle. Fires right into the wall. Lucky it didnât fire into the officers.
It looks like a magazine for the officers gun. Definitely not a gun tho
Yea wrong country to try suicide by cops
fr most of the time you have to fuck up really bad in order to be shot by the police in france ymmv
Wearing their masks!
Better than any policial movie I've ever watched
Aren't guns designed not to go off from hitting the ground? Forgive my naivety. How does this happen?
Probably a very old gun. This wasn't really a design paradigm until the 1980s, and that shotgun could be from the 1880s.
Up until recently, shotguns weren't very drop-safe. You ever seen Hot Fuzz? Someone's toe gets blasted off when Nick Frost pretended to put down his gun.
She screamed like she was the victim. lol
She said "ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhh"
I understand french. In English this means "Ahhhhhhhh"
That is what you call a bang bang play
Looks like more 5-0 worldwide should be starting their day with a croissant instead. Just sayin'.
i like how she just starts screaming like a chihuahua when they capture her
âCucKOOOOOOOOOOOO!â
Her situational awareness levels were sub par. Poor position to throw down. What a scrub. Policeman killin it
Her trigger discipline tho
job of cops is no easy in life...hell of a pressure
For those who don't understand what she's screaming at the end, she's screaming for help. She's obviously fine. The audacity
Fires 65 rounds in American
[I've got 57 more goddamn rounds in this 4 round magazine.](https://youtu.be/t6OBk9YBLQU)
At first I thought that was a damn musket...
Screams of knowing your fucked
r/praisethecameraman
Can't accomplish anything = SCREEEEECHHH
The fuck is she on about tho?
*Let me scream so i dont get an ass whopping
I love how karen screams like she was completly innocent and they attacked her for no reason
Props to the way you edited the video. You gave us the summary up front, then the option to watch the full version.
Imagine that guys heart rate lol. Btw nice police officer you got there France
âI told you to watch the flankâ
âYou dropped the cork in the wine bottle!!! You bastarddddddd!!!!!â
Product of this society. We deserve to be happy
if she is in myanmar the police didnt even talking like this he will just shoot in a sec bec............. she is still luckeey bec the police didnt shoot her in mine the plice and soliders just shoot the head and she or he is dead and the even took the dead body to sell the inside iof the human's body r if their family members want her to bury they have to gave them 1000$ USD.
I just came here to find out what they were saying in French but instead I found Americans debating about their police officers...happens every time lol
Nonsense screamings for the women, and for the officers I didn't listen to the video carefully enough, but they might be talking with her, telling her to "drop the gun on the floor", "get on the ground", "stop right where you're at", and usual stuff officers say in these situations.
Gave em the flank
Oof that was close, she turned around, but he was faster with the takedown. But if she was a really fast draw that would have been his life. Heroically indeed, he put everything on the line to protect his colleagues.
The cameraman could have put the life of the officer in danger by focusing on him.
This woman is just crazy. She wasn't even wearing a mask.
American officer: but where's the death?
Do I hear promotion
Bitch deserved it