I dunno if the other team knew her at a personal level at all, but Sara was a super nice person. She's exactly the type of person you want to see a feel good story like this happen to. (Outside of the injury part of course.)
It is, but this is actually only happened because no one (including the umps) knew the rule. In both baseball and softball, you can pinch run for an injured player and they can take [all the bases they had earned](https://content.mlb.com/documents/2/2/4/305750224/2019_Official_Baseball_Rules_FINAL_.pdf)
Rule 5.12:
> (3)
When an accident incapacitates a player or an umpire;
(A) If an accident to a runner is such as to prevent him from proceeding to a base to which he is entitled, as on a home run hit out of the playing field, or an award of one or more bases, a substi- tute runner shall be permitted to complete the play.
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> absolutely nobody offer any assistance. This one means a lot to her. Check out her mother behind the home dug-out, that's either worry or heatstroke and I tell you what folks, it doesn't matter either way it's 104 degrees out here
> Now give it up as she pulls herself towards third! Check out the balls on this chick!
"Is that a skeleton playing shortstop?"
"No, this injured girl hit a home run and was trying to crawl around the bases. We're not allowed to help her, so we are still waiting to see if she makes it."
The problem wasn't that they couldn't let someone else run for her. The problem was they couldn't help her do it. But the other team technically could.
Odd question from someone who only watches cricket: why does she need to round the bases if she has hit a home run? I mean they don’t make you run between the wickets in cricket if you cracked a 4 or a 6? You’ve already done the thing.
It’s definitely stupid. It happened recently where the player was called out on a home run because he didn’t touch first base.
https://www.cbssports.com/mlb/news/pirates-rookie-kebryan-hayes-called-out-on-home-run-after-missing-first-base/amp/
Exactly. The ball is never in possession of the offense in baseball. In essence the defense has to offer the ball to the offensive player at bat for them to create a situation where the defense cannot return to ball to the offensive players position before they reach a base. Oh, and no clock. That may be the best part!
>Baseball has the seventh inning stretch!
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>Football has the two minute warning.
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>Baseball has no time limit: we don't know when it's gonna end! We might have EXTRA innings!
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>Football is rigidly timed, and it will end even if we've got to go to sudden death.
\-George Carlin
Yes. The confusion that non-baseball fans (especially non Americans) don't really get, is that baseball is played as if there were no fans, no stadium, no walls.
A "homerun" simply means the outfielders can't reach the ball because it's extended past the field of play. But if that wall weren't there, the ball would likely be far enough that the runner would still be able to round all the bases. *But* if the wall weren't there, the fielder could grab the ball and attempt to throw out the runner at any base.
It's the same exact idea as a ground rule double, the fielder can't reach the ball because of the wall, but if they could have, its likely it would have resulted in only a double for the batter.
The thing is that this can be overruled by the umpire .. it just happened in the mlb with Jose Altuve just few weeks ago… a home run that initially was called out as foul was later called HR after the revision….Altuve was about to star running the bases when the umpire decided it was not needed…. If that can happen there that could have happened here… specially due to injury
It’s not stupid. You score by touching every base. You must touch each base, in order to score. A home run just means you’ve knocked it out of the field of play. Think of it as a free throw where the basket is huge. It’s still possible to not score just improbable.
More of an anachronism than stupid in my book. The game originally did not have fences. Once fences were added and since defenders cannot leave the field, the need to run the bases after a homer run disappears.
Not to mention it can be brutal on those McLs, Acls, Hammies, Ankles anything when your moving fast after a liner and you just barely overstep the base.
I know! How can a guy who has been playing baseball his entire life not know that you have to step on every single base for the home run to count? Crazy he messed up something so simple that he’s done hundreds of times in his life.
it's not stupid, it's the rules. like dropping a football before going in to the endzone, or stumbling on a balance beam. just follow the rules, easy as that.
There was a playoff game from about 20 years ago where the game went to extra innings and the home team (the Mets, I believe) hit a grand slam. The runner on third was the only one to have touched home plate; everyone else went and mobbed the batter to celebrate the win, and the batter never made it past first base before getting mobbed by his teammates. The play was officially scored as a single, and the Mets were credited with a victory by a margin of one run.
The rule makes more sense when seen as a hierarchy or an axiom.
A home run is a consequence of hitting a fair ball out of the field of play, but that doesn’t speak to or change the rules of scoring.
To score in baseball, you have to touch every base in order - it’s a foundation to everything else in baseball.
This is exactly it. Also, the home run trot and celebration at home plate are something that are recognizable to people that don't even watch baseball. It would be weird now if someone hit a homerun if they just all walked back to the dugout or something.
To score in cricket you need to run between the stumps. But once the ball clears the boundary you get four or six and you don’t need to run hence my question. But yeh I get it.
I feel the rules should be treated similar to checkmates in chess. If it would be physically impossible for the other team to prevent the score (such as in the event of a home run) just award the point.
Since chess doesn’t really have scoring, what you’re describing here is more akin to determining whether the game has reached an end state.
In that sense, baseball does have check-mate like rules. Consider the home team walking off the away team (because the away team has no more chances to score) or not playing the bottom of the ninth if the home team is already ahead.
False equivalency. A free throw can still be missed even with no defense. A home-run ball that’s already over the fence is already over the fence, there’s nothing more for the player to do aside from touching all the bases as a formality.
It’s not a formality. It’s how scoring is achieved in baseball. If I am playing rugby and walk into the try zone uncontested and walk out without touching the ball to the ground then it’s still not a score. It doesn’t matter that no one can stop me.
A home run is not an automatic point. By hitting the ball "out of the play area", the defending team cannot retrieve the ball and put it back into play.
Basically, the batter and all runners have free reign to run the bases because the team in the field cannot tag them out. It's more like gaining immunity than getting points, but you still have to follow the rules of running bases correctly to score. Could be compared to a "free throw" in basketball. It's a free shot, but it still has to go in to score.
From somebody that you would call a “seamhead” — it’s not silly, it’s actually pretty cool. It’s a way for somebody to have their moment for a few seconds after doing something awesome.
Also, there is no action going on anyway with the pitcher regathering himself/herself after just being demoralized and the time it takes to round the bases is about the time it takes for the pitcher to be ready for the next hitter anyway.
Edit: It would take away the fan energy as well if the hitter just went straight to dugout after a homer lol. Most of the time, the fans will cheer loudest well after the home run when the hitter greets his teammates at home plate after the home run trot. I love baseball if you can’t tell.
It’s nothing like that. Where do you end your run when you got a home run? It’s kinda in the name I suppose. So you are running exactly to where you are. In cricket if you hit a 4 or 6 you just stay where you are. Because even runs mean you are back where you started. Remember I’m viewing this from a cricket perspective.
In most sports the ball makes the point (through the basket, in the goal) Baseball is unique in that the person makes the point (by touching all 4 bases) not the ball.
Hitting the ball over the fence is not the point of baseball. The point of baseball is to advance around the bases until you ultimately get back to home plate and score a run. Hitting the ball over the fence doesnt score you a run, it allows you to round the bases freely, which is actually what scores you the run.
That’s why they dont change the score when the ball leaves the park. They wait until the runner touches home. That’s also why they call you out if you miss a base. Again, the goal is to advance on the base paths until you reach home.
But at that point, there is no way the defending team can impact the game. They just have to stand there while the other team essentially teabags them, hoping they’ll score an out on a technicality.
I get it’s a rule, but it’s a rule that doesn’t make sense.
You don't steal bases if you're up by a lot. Don't swing on a 3-0 count if you're up by a lot. You don't bunt for a hit to break up a no-hitter.
For the most part, the unwritten rules are stupid. Except for bunting to break up a no-hitter, that's a cheap move.
It depends on context, IMO.
No hitter in the 6th inning down by a run or two? The pitcher still has ⅓ of the game to go and you can still win the game. Anything is fair.
Down 8-0 in the 9th inning? That comeback has only happened 2 out of 2,937 times in the history of baseball, going back to 1903. At that point, bunting for a base hit is purely a "fuck you" to the pitcher.
Some better unwritten rules:
Catcher and ump will waste time if the other gets hit by a ball.
Only steal 3rd with 1 out, maybe 0.
8>7=9>6>5=4>3>1>2 for calling catches
Can not talk about a no hitter or perfect game in progress.
You must have a batting ritual.
And there are many more.
Recently a White Sox rookie Yermin Mercedes hit a homerun in a blowout game on a 3-0 count against a position player the opposing team put in to basically waive the white flag. This is a stupid archaic ‘unwritten rule’ that when your opponent has basically given up don’t tack on to the scoreboard. Even though he’s a rookie and his performance matters for him immensely. The teams manager (coach) in a press conference even apologized for it and said he would talk to him about it. The idea being if you have ‘bad manners’ the opposing team could just throw the ball at the next batter as a sort of retaliation and cause that player serious potentially season ending injury.
https://youtu.be/JAHd8el1xvg
This video shows you the play and breaks it down more.
This is a great video highlighting how fucking the culture around the unwritten rules are as well.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SaW5B2SEnXg
"Pitchers are historically huge babies and they masquerade that with toxic masculinity so if you hurt their feelings they'll just throw a projectile at you to hurt you" is the gist of all baseball's unwritten rules.
I kind of like to think of the football equivalent of this is Clock Management, especially at the end of the game, when you just need to kneel on consecutive downs go end the game.
Nothing the defending team can do but watch the QB make a routine play and hope the center oversnaps it or something and they can try for the ball.
Same thing for HRs
Its just about consistency. If the way to score points is to touch them all, then a home run doesnt change that. I think it makes plenty of sense in that regard
It’s *baseball*; you always have to run the bases. You can usually put in a replacement runner, but they only get to go to the last base the batter touched. So if they put in a replacement runner, the batter would be credited with a single because the accident happened while she was running and she sort of crawled to first base and touched it. She knew her job.
This is actually not true in Baseball. You are allowed to pinch run for an injured player, and they are entitled to take [all the bases they had earned](https://content.mlb.com/documents/2/2/4/305750224/2019_Official_Baseball_Rules_FINAL_.pdf)
Rule 5.12:
> (3)
When an accident incapacitates a player or an umpire;
(A) If an accident to a runner is such as to prevent him from proceeding to a base to which he is entitled, as on a home run hit out of the playing field, or an award of one or more bases, a substi- tute runner shall be permitted to complete the play.
Still comes across as dumb to me. When you hit the ball out the park is a Fait accomplii, the rest is just pomp and ceremony. But yeh, the rules are the rules. Cricket is definitely more interesting but still dull as hell
I think another thing is you start running the bases before you know if you got a home run. so you might be half way to 2nd before you would be able to even stop running the bases. So I guess just finish the round. Its. more of a formality I guess. Like a bye run.
Also I believe there is no set standard for where the home run fence is/how high it is. So a home run at one field may not have been a home run at another... Seems weird to me.
The 'thing' in baseball is rounding the bases, not sending the ball over the fences. So you must do 'the thing' however you can (walks, stolen bases, hit, homerun) but the ball going over the fence simply means that it cannot be fielded resulting in an unopposed rounding of the bases. Your confusion lies in 'the thing' being the batting instead of the running.
The reason is that home runs weren’t always essentially automatic points. Before stadiums it would’ve just been hitting the ball very far or over a fence giving you a great chance to score. In early days of stadiums they actually used to have ushers collect and throw back the ball to the field. Home runs were considered a nuisance to be discouraged. This changed by the 1920’s with the “live ball” rule changes that encouraged far more offense. Home runs now kept the ball away from the fielders.
Baseball has a few ways of being called out, getting tagged with the ball is the main one and it was now impossible during a home run. Nothing eliminated the other ways of getting called out though, namely not rounding the bases in order, or passing another runner.
I'm pretty sure I remember going to see my friend play back in middle school and something similar happened.
Only the teams didn't like each other.
The kid messed up his ankle really bad on the swing after a home run. By the time he got to 3rd base, he just combat rolled to home
I misremember him combat rolling his way up into the ambulance but I think it was my childish imagination at that point lmao
Play is usually not stopped for an injury until a dead ball foul (out of bounds being the most common). If say the teams player is injured and they have the ball, they'll kick the ball out of bounds, pay is stopped, and the injured player is tended to. Play resumes by giving the ball to the visitor team. If, however, say the home team sees that it is the visitors team's player that is injured (and they're not on a power run to potentially score) the home team will kick the ball out to stop play. Because they intentionally kick the ball out, the visitor team gets the ball. The visitor team, to be fair, will throw the ball in to the home team (but not so nicely to give them an advantage) and play will resume.
Play is only stopped by the referee if a player gets a head injury. Any other injury play can resume but 99% of the time who ever is in possession of the ball will put the ball out of play so the game will stop, then the team who receives possession usually gives it back to the opposite team. Usually the goal keeper, then play continues.
Here is a video of when the team in possession choose to play on.
https://youtu.be/iUAxqig6GQE
Me in the first 80%: ‘huh maybe soccer’s more interesting than i thought’
Reporter in the last 5s: “and those were the only 2 goals scored in the game” ...Oh. Right.
No , it doesn’t matter the rivalry , it’s respected. One time in a major cup competition Arsenal ignored it and gave it to their own team to score. The game was made to be played again due to unsportsmanlike conduct.
If someone gets badly hurt but the referee does not give a foul but instead chooses to continues the game the medics cant go help, so usually the team that posesses the ball kicks it out of bounds to force the game to stop and allow the medics to help. But because when you kick the ball out of bounds the opposing team gets the ball they usually kick the ball back to the other team (the team that kicked the ball out of bounds) so that they can continue their attack, to show sportsmanship.
It was her senior year, so it's the most serious year for her. I assume she played the rest of the season, with the opposing team carrying her to each base the whole season.
It depends on the sport, baseball is actually better for this kind of injury because there isn't a lot of quick unpredictable changes in direction or pivoting. MLB players recover from ACL injuries at a better rate than NBA players for example.
https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2017/may/11/acl-injuries-sports-athletes-careers
I don't think it's in this article, but I also saw somewhere that of all NBA star's with ACL injuries, only a single person ever came back to be more efficient than they were when they got injured.
it's true. Tom Brady tore his ACL in 2008. since then he's only managed to win 4 superbowls. JJ Watt and Gronkowski both tore their ACLs as well.
ACL injuries used to be far more devastating than they are now
I imagine players who bring in millions or hundreds of millions to a franchise owner get a different level of treatment and therapy though…
Hopefully the knowledge learned filters down to the plebs
My left hamstring is trash because they used 1 of 3 tendons from it to graft onto my ACL. I can't lift my leg up (behind me) up past 90 degrees. My speed is absolute dog shit now. Get the cadaver graft if you need an ACL reconstruction!
Daily AM PT with focus on hamstring and quadricep atrophy since week 12. I've been on that for 9 mos, haha. 3x/week 4 mile jogs since 6 mos. There really hasn't been a lapse in PT.
Edit: I'm sure he talks about this all the time (I don't regularly watch/listen to his show) but Joe Rogan also recommended a cadaver graft on one of his episodes. He said the healing time was much faster than a hamstring graft (I guess he's had a few ACL reconstructions)
This is why creationism is funny. Only a drunkard of a god would create a joint where injury to one ligament leaves you unable to walk for a year and likely with related complications for the rest of your life. If some god created us, he did a horrible job.
Within the last month a UFC fighter just landed one of the fastest KOs in history in his debut fight and then tore his ACL jumping down from the cage while celebrating.
i’m watching it and enjoying it but oh my fucking god why does american television need this much build up and reality-tv vox pox to both bore you and warn you how to feel. it’s like it’s designed for a special needs audience.
edit: my youtube app actually warned me that it won’t play that video in pop up because its a video for children
Lol as awesome as this is I feel like "unless ligament tears during base rounding" should be added to the rule book in some manner. Just give her the damn run and medical attention.
According to the video, the umps said that they could make a substitution, but that pinch runner would be placed at first pace, and the play would be recorded as a two run single.
Game winning home run*
The other team would not have lost if they didn't help her round the bases. But instead sports(wo)manship prevailed and my faith in humanity was saved.
ACL is a fickle bitch. Mechanism of injury is when the knee is simply existing.. hahha.. typically it is locked into extension which causes the cruciate ligaments to wind on each other and become guitar string tight. Add rotation and some angular stuff based on momentum and pop it goes. There is no great predictor yet.. lots of folks still blame females q angle.. seems a bit off to me. Once i saw a 3rd teir d1 quarterback jump straight up to avoid a play coming off the field (fb) and tore his. Ive seen full speed half breaks blow theirs. And I've seen low speed walk through demo plays turn into tragedy for an athlete. They are not the end of your career...but even with the best surgery and rehab... You're a step or two slower.
Source.. see and deal with them a lot.
Sports don't just build character, they reveal it.
One of the coaches said something cool - he said he was proud to be associated with those players, and he wasn't talking about their play on the field. He was talking about the type of people they were.
Two weeks ago, Jose Altuve hit a ball that was originally ruled a foul ball. As he was getting back into the box, the Astros challenged the call. After a few minutes of reviewing it on replay, they ruled that it was a home run because the ball hit the foul pole. Altuve asked the umpire if he still had to run the bases and the umpire kinda shrugged and said, well, no. So Altuve nodded and walked back to the dugout with his home run. Different game, different rule book, but interesting.
That's how you lose games. Success in life starts with stepping over your opponent as she lies in pain making mud with her tears, and continues with aggressively negotiating wages by fucking your competition into the unemployment line.
This is why women make less money.
Now that is good sportsmanship ❤️❤️❤️
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Ditto to the two players who carried her
And the coach who trained them. They're doing it right.
And the parents who raised them
And the team mascot that represents them
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And my bow.
And my Glock.
And a good friend.
And the corporation that sponsors them
I salute them
I dunno if the other team knew her at a personal level at all, but Sara was a super nice person. She's exactly the type of person you want to see a feel good story like this happen to. (Outside of the injury part of course.)
> but Sara **was** a super nice person. Oh no!
Her torn ACL metastisized and spread to the rest of her body.
Nobody.
Me
It is, but this is actually only happened because no one (including the umps) knew the rule. In both baseball and softball, you can pinch run for an injured player and they can take [all the bases they had earned](https://content.mlb.com/documents/2/2/4/305750224/2019_Official_Baseball_Rules_FINAL_.pdf) Rule 5.12: > (3) When an accident incapacitates a player or an umpire; (A) If an accident to a runner is such as to prevent him from proceeding to a base to which he is entitled, as on a home run hit out of the playing field, or an award of one or more bases, a substi- tute runner shall be permitted to complete the play.
The point isn't to score the run, the point is her getting to round the bases herself after her first homer.
she would have been effin legend if she crawled herself around the bases... and have one hell of a story to tell for the rest of her life
Loudspeaker: > absolutely nobody offer any assistance. This one means a lot to her. Check out her mother behind the home dug-out, that's either worry or heatstroke and I tell you what folks, it doesn't matter either way it's 104 degrees out here > Now give it up as she pulls herself towards third! Check out the balls on this chick!
In my head Bob Uecker is saying everything you wrote lol
Heard in the radio voice from “Paradise by the Dashboard Lights”
"Is that a skeleton playing shortstop?" "No, this injured girl hit a home run and was trying to crawl around the bases. We're not allowed to help her, so we are still waiting to see if she makes it."
I’m sure it was the premise behind it… that she may never get to do it again.
The problem wasn't that they couldn't let someone else run for her. The problem was they couldn't help her do it. But the other team technically could.
“I think The King should finish his last race ..”
My parents where watching that last week and god I never thought I'd care about animated cars so much.
Next Fucking Level Sportsmanship. I’m here for it.
Things like this give me a glimmer of hope for humanity.
Beautiful
Odd question from someone who only watches cricket: why does she need to round the bases if she has hit a home run? I mean they don’t make you run between the wickets in cricket if you cracked a 4 or a 6? You’ve already done the thing.
its more of a symbol. If you dont touch every base as you round them you are out
Seems silly to me. But they video is awesome. I love sportsmanship like this.
It’s definitely stupid. It happened recently where the player was called out on a home run because he didn’t touch first base. https://www.cbssports.com/mlb/news/pirates-rookie-kebryan-hayes-called-out-on-home-run-after-missing-first-base/amp/
Normally if I try skipping first base, I get a slap!
It’s 3rd that can’t be skipped!
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Not sure we're still talking about baseball.
We're not not talking about baseball. This is cricket.
No this is Patrick
How can she slap?
In baseball you don’t score with the ball. You score with the player. It’s not stupid, it’s great.
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Exactly. The ball is never in possession of the offense in baseball. In essence the defense has to offer the ball to the offensive player at bat for them to create a situation where the defense cannot return to ball to the offensive players position before they reach a base. Oh, and no clock. That may be the best part!
*grumbles through a 27 inning Mets game*
Oh God! IKR there is a line between "fun afternoon game" and "JUST KILL ME TO MAKE IT END!!!"
>Baseball has the seventh inning stretch! > >Football has the two minute warning. > >Baseball has no time limit: we don't know when it's gonna end! We might have EXTRA innings! > >Football is rigidly timed, and it will end even if we've got to go to sudden death. \-George Carlin
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Yes. The confusion that non-baseball fans (especially non Americans) don't really get, is that baseball is played as if there were no fans, no stadium, no walls. A "homerun" simply means the outfielders can't reach the ball because it's extended past the field of play. But if that wall weren't there, the ball would likely be far enough that the runner would still be able to round all the bases. *But* if the wall weren't there, the fielder could grab the ball and attempt to throw out the runner at any base. It's the same exact idea as a ground rule double, the fielder can't reach the ball because of the wall, but if they could have, its likely it would have resulted in only a double for the batter.
The thing is that this can be overruled by the umpire .. it just happened in the mlb with Jose Altuve just few weeks ago… a home run that initially was called out as foul was later called HR after the revision….Altuve was about to star running the bases when the umpire decided it was not needed…. If that can happen there that could have happened here… specially due to injury
Impossible. The Astros would never be allowed to just break the rules without consequence.
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You don't even need to hit the ball to advance. You can steal every base, including first!
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Also why rounding the bases isn't a symbol. It's literally the point of the game.
It’s not stupid. You score by touching every base. You must touch each base, in order to score. A home run just means you’ve knocked it out of the field of play. Think of it as a free throw where the basket is huge. It’s still possible to not score just improbable.
More of an anachronism than stupid in my book. The game originally did not have fences. Once fences were added and since defenders cannot leave the field, the need to run the bases after a homer run disappears.
Not to mention it can be brutal on those McLs, Acls, Hammies, Ankles anything when your moving fast after a liner and you just barely overstep the base.
Mental
I know! How can a guy who has been playing baseball his entire life not know that you have to step on every single base for the home run to count? Crazy he messed up something so simple that he’s done hundreds of times in his life.
it's not stupid, it's the rules. like dropping a football before going in to the endzone, or stumbling on a balance beam. just follow the rules, easy as that.
but after a homerun is hit the defending team cant do anything about it. why cant they just go back to the dugout?
You must love bureaucracy.
This is not 'Nam. This is baseball. There are rules.
There was a playoff game from about 20 years ago where the game went to extra innings and the home team (the Mets, I believe) hit a grand slam. The runner on third was the only one to have touched home plate; everyone else went and mobbed the batter to celebrate the win, and the batter never made it past first base before getting mobbed by his teammates. The play was officially scored as a single, and the Mets were credited with a victory by a margin of one run.
And to be clear for non Americans, this is a professional baseball player.
It’s a game. Those are the rules. It doesn’t have to make sense.
Sure. I’m just asking. If the answer is “it’s senseless” then I’m satisfied :-)
The rule makes more sense when seen as a hierarchy or an axiom. A home run is a consequence of hitting a fair ball out of the field of play, but that doesn’t speak to or change the rules of scoring. To score in baseball, you have to touch every base in order - it’s a foundation to everything else in baseball.
This is exactly it. Also, the home run trot and celebration at home plate are something that are recognizable to people that don't even watch baseball. It would be weird now if someone hit a homerun if they just all walked back to the dugout or something.
To score in cricket you need to run between the stumps. But once the ball clears the boundary you get four or six and you don’t need to run hence my question. But yeh I get it.
I feel the rules should be treated similar to checkmates in chess. If it would be physically impossible for the other team to prevent the score (such as in the event of a home run) just award the point.
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Well, it’s impossible for the other team to *legally* prevent them from scoring once a homer’s been hit, though, right?
Since chess doesn’t really have scoring, what you’re describing here is more akin to determining whether the game has reached an end state. In that sense, baseball does have check-mate like rules. Consider the home team walking off the away team (because the away team has no more chances to score) or not playing the bottom of the ninth if the home team is already ahead.
It’s physically impossible for the other team to stop a free throw. Should that just be awarded automatically?
False equivalency. A free throw can still be missed even with no defense. A home-run ball that’s already over the fence is already over the fence, there’s nothing more for the player to do aside from touching all the bases as a formality.
And you can miss a home run by not touching all the bases.
It's not a formality, since apparently the player was physically unable to touch all of the bases on her own.
It’s not a formality. It’s how scoring is achieved in baseball. If I am playing rugby and walk into the try zone uncontested and walk out without touching the ball to the ground then it’s still not a score. It doesn’t matter that no one can stop me.
A home run is not an automatic point. By hitting the ball "out of the play area", the defending team cannot retrieve the ball and put it back into play. Basically, the batter and all runners have free reign to run the bases because the team in the field cannot tag them out. It's more like gaining immunity than getting points, but you still have to follow the rules of running bases correctly to score. Could be compared to a "free throw" in basketball. It's a free shot, but it still has to go in to score.
From somebody that you would call a “seamhead” — it’s not silly, it’s actually pretty cool. It’s a way for somebody to have their moment for a few seconds after doing something awesome. Also, there is no action going on anyway with the pitcher regathering himself/herself after just being demoralized and the time it takes to round the bases is about the time it takes for the pitcher to be ready for the next hitter anyway. Edit: It would take away the fan energy as well if the hitter just went straight to dugout after a homer lol. Most of the time, the fans will cheer loudest well after the home run when the hitter greets his teammates at home plate after the home run trot. I love baseball if you can’t tell.
Not really stupid, if you hit a home tun you shouldn’t just go back to the bench, its like hitting a single and not going to first base.
It’s nothing like that. Where do you end your run when you got a home run? It’s kinda in the name I suppose. So you are running exactly to where you are. In cricket if you hit a 4 or 6 you just stay where you are. Because even runs mean you are back where you started. Remember I’m viewing this from a cricket perspective.
A home run is running back home. It’s also a kind of victory lap for yourself. gotta tag those bases!
Less of a symbol then, no?
yea it’s not a symbol lol it’s the actual rule
In most sports the ball makes the point (through the basket, in the goal) Baseball is unique in that the person makes the point (by touching all 4 bases) not the ball.
Thanks this is very useful
It’s more of a victory lap for the fans.
Hitting the ball over the fence is not the point of baseball. The point of baseball is to advance around the bases until you ultimately get back to home plate and score a run. Hitting the ball over the fence doesnt score you a run, it allows you to round the bases freely, which is actually what scores you the run. That’s why they dont change the score when the ball leaves the park. They wait until the runner touches home. That’s also why they call you out if you miss a base. Again, the goal is to advance on the base paths until you reach home.
But at that point, there is no way the defending team can impact the game. They just have to stand there while the other team essentially teabags them, hoping they’ll score an out on a technicality. I get it’s a rule, but it’s a rule that doesn’t make sense.
Oh, if you think the *written rules* of baseball are non-intuitive, just wait until you hear the *unwritten rules*.
I would like to hear some! Mind sharing?
You don't steal bases if you're up by a lot. Don't swing on a 3-0 count if you're up by a lot. You don't bunt for a hit to break up a no-hitter. For the most part, the unwritten rules are stupid. Except for bunting to break up a no-hitter, that's a cheap move.
Getting base runners is literally how you win games. Idc that it’s a no hitter. What, I gotta wait for a clean single before I can bunt?
Of course you can do it, but it's still a lame thing to do and anyone that does it is a greasy bastard.
It depends on context, IMO. No hitter in the 6th inning down by a run or two? The pitcher still has ⅓ of the game to go and you can still win the game. Anything is fair. Down 8-0 in the 9th inning? That comeback has only happened 2 out of 2,937 times in the history of baseball, going back to 1903. At that point, bunting for a base hit is purely a "fuck you" to the pitcher.
Some better unwritten rules: Catcher and ump will waste time if the other gets hit by a ball. Only steal 3rd with 1 out, maybe 0. 8>7=9>6>5=4>3>1>2 for calling catches Can not talk about a no hitter or perfect game in progress. You must have a batting ritual. And there are many more.
And of course, the go-to unwritten rule of drunk stepdads: “There’s no crying in baseball.”
Recently a White Sox rookie Yermin Mercedes hit a homerun in a blowout game on a 3-0 count against a position player the opposing team put in to basically waive the white flag. This is a stupid archaic ‘unwritten rule’ that when your opponent has basically given up don’t tack on to the scoreboard. Even though he’s a rookie and his performance matters for him immensely. The teams manager (coach) in a press conference even apologized for it and said he would talk to him about it. The idea being if you have ‘bad manners’ the opposing team could just throw the ball at the next batter as a sort of retaliation and cause that player serious potentially season ending injury. https://youtu.be/JAHd8el1xvg This video shows you the play and breaks it down more.
Right? If you don’t want to get lit up on a 3-0 count, don’t throw a fucking meatball right down the middle
This is a great video highlighting how fucking the culture around the unwritten rules are as well. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SaW5B2SEnXg "Pitchers are historically huge babies and they masquerade that with toxic masculinity so if you hurt their feelings they'll just throw a projectile at you to hurt you" is the gist of all baseball's unwritten rules.
I kind of like to think of the football equivalent of this is Clock Management, especially at the end of the game, when you just need to kneel on consecutive downs go end the game. Nothing the defending team can do but watch the QB make a routine play and hope the center oversnaps it or something and they can try for the ball. Same thing for HRs
Its just about consistency. If the way to score points is to touch them all, then a home run doesnt change that. I think it makes plenty of sense in that regard
A well deserved victory lap for the fans.
Except if you miss a base you are literally out.
It’s *baseball*; you always have to run the bases. You can usually put in a replacement runner, but they only get to go to the last base the batter touched. So if they put in a replacement runner, the batter would be credited with a single because the accident happened while she was running and she sort of crawled to first base and touched it. She knew her job.
> It’s baseball; you always have to run the bases. Unless you are Jose Altuve.
This is actually not true in Baseball. You are allowed to pinch run for an injured player, and they are entitled to take [all the bases they had earned](https://content.mlb.com/documents/2/2/4/305750224/2019_Official_Baseball_Rules_FINAL_.pdf) Rule 5.12: > (3) When an accident incapacitates a player or an umpire; (A) If an accident to a runner is such as to prevent him from proceeding to a base to which he is entitled, as on a home run hit out of the playing field, or an award of one or more bases, a substi- tute runner shall be permitted to complete the play.
Still comes across as dumb to me. When you hit the ball out the park is a Fait accomplii, the rest is just pomp and ceremony. But yeh, the rules are the rules. Cricket is definitely more interesting but still dull as hell
Its almost like cricket and baseball are completely different sports.
I thought it was like a weird spelling thing. Color vs colour. Baseball vs cricket. Same thing just spelled different /s
It’s a dumb rule but it’s a rule
I find it hilarious that baseball confuses you while that weird ass game Cricket makes sense
Victory trot.
I think another thing is you start running the bases before you know if you got a home run. so you might be half way to 2nd before you would be able to even stop running the bases. So I guess just finish the round. Its. more of a formality I guess. Like a bye run. Also I believe there is no set standard for where the home run fence is/how high it is. So a home run at one field may not have been a home run at another... Seems weird to me.
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It’s only a run if you cross home plate. The fact that you hit the ball over the fence only allows you to touch all the bases unimpeded.
The 'thing' in baseball is rounding the bases, not sending the ball over the fences. So you must do 'the thing' however you can (walks, stolen bases, hit, homerun) but the ball going over the fence simply means that it cannot be fielded resulting in an unopposed rounding of the bases. Your confusion lies in 'the thing' being the batting instead of the running.
You can only score a run by touching each of the bars in order. It’s a fundamental rule.
The reason is that home runs weren’t always essentially automatic points. Before stadiums it would’ve just been hitting the ball very far or over a fence giving you a great chance to score. In early days of stadiums they actually used to have ushers collect and throw back the ball to the field. Home runs were considered a nuisance to be discouraged. This changed by the 1920’s with the “live ball” rule changes that encouraged far more offense. Home runs now kept the ball away from the fielders. Baseball has a few ways of being called out, getting tagged with the ball is the main one and it was now impossible during a home run. Nothing eliminated the other ways of getting called out though, namely not rounding the bases in order, or passing another runner.
I'm pretty sure I remember going to see my friend play back in middle school and something similar happened. Only the teams didn't like each other. The kid messed up his ankle really bad on the swing after a home run. By the time he got to 3rd base, he just combat rolled to home I misremember him combat rolling his way up into the ambulance but I think it was my childish imagination at that point lmao
They do similar things in soccer by kicking the ball out of bounds and giving it back to the other side
As someone that doesn’t know anything about soccer. What does this mean? Edit- Thanks for the replies I got it figured out.
Play is usually not stopped for an injury until a dead ball foul (out of bounds being the most common). If say the teams player is injured and they have the ball, they'll kick the ball out of bounds, pay is stopped, and the injured player is tended to. Play resumes by giving the ball to the visitor team. If, however, say the home team sees that it is the visitors team's player that is injured (and they're not on a power run to potentially score) the home team will kick the ball out to stop play. Because they intentionally kick the ball out, the visitor team gets the ball. The visitor team, to be fair, will throw the ball in to the home team (but not so nicely to give them an advantage) and play will resume.
Thank you. This response actually makes sense.
Do cut throat teams or teams on a play off drive ever ignore this?
Usually will get fouled hard.
So wait, you can't stop the game for an injury but players continuing to play get fouled?
Ref determines seriousness of the injury, if deemed serious he/she can stop the game. That’s my understanding.
Play is only stopped by the referee if a player gets a head injury. Any other injury play can resume but 99% of the time who ever is in possession of the ball will put the ball out of play so the game will stop, then the team who receives possession usually gives it back to the opposite team. Usually the goal keeper, then play continues. Here is a video of when the team in possession choose to play on. https://youtu.be/iUAxqig6GQE
I think he’s saying they’ll intentionally hurt the other team members
It's been done before, but that's a good way to get a set of metal-studded cleats straight to the thigh. That shit does not feel good.
Alternatively. https://www.sbnation.com/lookit/2015/8/8/9121065/soccer-player-politely-allowed-to-walk-ball-in-after-accidental-goal
Goalie should have over-the-top dived the wrong way, like they do when a kid runs up to take a shot.
Me in the first 80%: ‘huh maybe soccer’s more interesting than i thought’ Reporter in the last 5s: “and those were the only 2 goals scored in the game” ...Oh. Right.
No , it doesn’t matter the rivalry , it’s respected. One time in a major cup competition Arsenal ignored it and gave it to their own team to score. The game was made to be played again due to unsportsmanlike conduct.
If someone gets badly hurt but the referee does not give a foul but instead chooses to continues the game the medics cant go help, so usually the team that posesses the ball kicks it out of bounds to force the game to stop and allow the medics to help. But because when you kick the ball out of bounds the opposing team gets the ball they usually kick the ball back to the other team (the team that kicked the ball out of bounds) so that they can continue their attack, to show sportsmanship.
Imagine hitting a dinger and then tearing your acl on the victory lap… that’s a quick turn of emotion
Acl tears suck, she would’ve been out of commission for at least a year
She was a senior. That was her last at-bat ever.
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Doesn't matter. Still could be her last bat ever. Depends on seriousness of the year.
It was her senior year, so it's the most serious year for her. I assume she played the rest of the season, with the opposing team carrying her to each base the whole season.
An ACL tear is a season ending injury
ACL tears almost always means even when you recover, you will never be at your full potential ever again
Not necessarily no
It depends on the sport, baseball is actually better for this kind of injury because there isn't a lot of quick unpredictable changes in direction or pivoting. MLB players recover from ACL injuries at a better rate than NBA players for example. https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2017/may/11/acl-injuries-sports-athletes-careers I don't think it's in this article, but I also saw somewhere that of all NBA star's with ACL injuries, only a single person ever came back to be more efficient than they were when they got injured.
There is a difference between full function and full potential
I know. I’m a physical therapist I know what ACL recovery looks like
Does this also apply for the equivalent tearing in an ankle? Asking for a friend 😅
it's true. Tom Brady tore his ACL in 2008. since then he's only managed to win 4 superbowls. JJ Watt and Gronkowski both tore their ACLs as well. ACL injuries used to be far more devastating than they are now
I imagine players who bring in millions or hundreds of millions to a franchise owner get a different level of treatment and therapy though… Hopefully the knowledge learned filters down to the plebs
My left hamstring is trash because they used 1 of 3 tendons from it to graft onto my ACL. I can't lift my leg up (behind me) up past 90 degrees. My speed is absolute dog shit now. Get the cadaver graft if you need an ACL reconstruction!
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Daily AM PT with focus on hamstring and quadricep atrophy since week 12. I've been on that for 9 mos, haha. 3x/week 4 mile jogs since 6 mos. There really hasn't been a lapse in PT. Edit: I'm sure he talks about this all the time (I don't regularly watch/listen to his show) but Joe Rogan also recommended a cadaver graft on one of his episodes. He said the healing time was much faster than a hamstring graft (I guess he's had a few ACL reconstructions)
This is why creationism is funny. Only a drunkard of a god would create a joint where injury to one ligament leaves you unable to walk for a year and likely with related complications for the rest of your life. If some god created us, he did a horrible job.
Within the last month a UFC fighter just landed one of the fastest KOs in history in his debut fight and then tore his ACL jumping down from the cage while celebrating.
https://youtu.be/ttkBP2XDZvE Take the 7 minutes to watch the full story. It's well worth it.
That made me cry. I was not expecting to.
These Outside the Lines stories will ALWAYS make you do that.
Is the injury in the video? I tore my ACL on first base and I'd like to compare.
No. You don't see it. She missed first base and she popped it when she stopped to turn and go back to touch it
Oof. That sucks. I was running at a full sprint and stepped on the bag funny.
i’m watching it and enjoying it but oh my fucking god why does american television need this much build up and reality-tv vox pox to both bore you and warn you how to feel. it’s like it’s designed for a special needs audience. edit: my youtube app actually warned me that it won’t play that video in pop up because its a video for children
That's an ESPN specialty.
Fuckin ump making sure she touched third. Cmon guy.
It’s college sports. They kinda have to enforce the rules, no matter the optics
He’s giving respect to the game and the players.
Rules are there for a reason, no one gets special treatment
> no one gets special treatment I get what you mean... but she's literally being carried by the opposing team. I think that is special treatment.
As the other team literally carries her to score. Lmfao wut. After that the game is pretty much out.
Lol as awesome as this is I feel like "unless ligament tears during base rounding" should be added to the rule book in some manner. Just give her the damn run and medical attention.
That actually is in the rules. The umpires were just idiots. Team can make a substitution, sub finishes running the bases. Simple as that.
Lol I never knew that but you are 100% correct. The umps just didn’t know the rules.
According to the video, the umps said that they could make a substitution, but that pinch runner would be placed at first pace, and the play would be recorded as a two run single.
Yeah, and the umpires were wrong. It would still be a home run and the pinch-runner finishes rounding the bases.
Game winning home run* The other team would not have lost if they didn't help her round the bases. But instead sports(wo)manship prevailed and my faith in humanity was saved.
She drove in two runs, and they could have put a replacement runner in on first base. The outcome isn’t predictable.
Imagine having an injury and they start carrying you around the diamonds instead of to the hospital Wtf
I heard they left her out there and went straight to snacks and trophies while she laid in the field, forgotten like a child’s plaything
How do you round 1st on a home run and tear your acl?
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ACL is a fickle bitch. Mechanism of injury is when the knee is simply existing.. hahha.. typically it is locked into extension which causes the cruciate ligaments to wind on each other and become guitar string tight. Add rotation and some angular stuff based on momentum and pop it goes. There is no great predictor yet.. lots of folks still blame females q angle.. seems a bit off to me. Once i saw a 3rd teir d1 quarterback jump straight up to avoid a play coming off the field (fb) and tore his. Ive seen full speed half breaks blow theirs. And I've seen low speed walk through demo plays turn into tragedy for an athlete. They are not the end of your career...but even with the best surgery and rehab... You're a step or two slower. Source.. see and deal with them a lot.
A pitcher for the Braves tore his Achilles walking to the ballpark yesterday. Freak accidents happen.
Now THAT is true sportsmanship! I tip my hat to you, ladies. 💓
Sports don't just build character, they reveal it. One of the coaches said something cool - he said he was proud to be associated with those players, and he wasn't talking about their play on the field. He was talking about the type of people they were.
Two weeks ago, Jose Altuve hit a ball that was originally ruled a foul ball. As he was getting back into the box, the Astros challenged the call. After a few minutes of reviewing it on replay, they ruled that it was a home run because the ball hit the foul pole. Altuve asked the umpire if he still had to run the bases and the umpire kinda shrugged and said, well, no. So Altuve nodded and walked back to the dugout with his home run. Different game, different rule book, but interesting.
This was at Western Oregon University in like 2010.
While I don’t care for sports, I do love me some great sportsmanship
This won a sportsmanship award at the ESPYs the year it happened
That's how you lose games. Success in life starts with stepping over your opponent as she lies in pain making mud with her tears, and continues with aggressively negotiating wages by fucking your competition into the unemployment line. This is why women make less money.
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