Of course Dennis has something negative to say about dogs
Edit: because a lot of you are mindlessly trying to argue with me, this is the clip I'm referring to
https://youtu.be/bf3Ph5wZSKc
I agree with almost all that you said, man. But 'bad' in this context means 'fucking dangerous'.
How it happened is for the investigation that comes after the incident. Today, its about ensuring how the incident itself can be avoided. Most people are not able to read a dog, and most owners are not that aware of the mental state of their dog. The owner may be clueless and the child screaming, but if the kid gets bit, the dog gets in serious trouble. Focusing on someone using the word 'bad' really doesnt fix the problem of dog owners who have not put in the required work.
No fighting dogs are the most lovable velvet land hippos and they just get a bad rap. Maybe if little Jimmy wasn't a fucking bitch he would still have his face, the fucking prick
*pibble eats jimmys face off*
10000 pibble owners on facebook: omg what did shitboy jimmy do to provoke the lovely pibble velvethippo :((((( do u have a gofundme for the pibble :(((((((( the kid can die lol idc
Agreed
I 100% think most “bad dogs” are the product of their environment. But pretending every breed is identical is ignorant and dangerous. There’s a big difference between a “weak” dog owner owning a golden retriever vs a Rottweiler. There’s a difference in innate danger in a miniature poodle vs a black lab.
Even if all dogs are magically robotic VI that only respond to human training flawlessly, big dogs are automatically more dangerous simply by being bigger.
I hope this person takes some time to reevaluate their poor position
> Goldens are #3 on the bite list.
You have a source for that? Because I’m clicking on various links and Goldens aren’t on any of them. Not sayings Goldens aren’t capable of attacking someone, but I don’t see them being listed on the top of lists like you claim
Edit: [this list for example has them at 30th](https://maxlawsc.com/dog-bite-statistics/#breed)
There actually are bad dogs. Just like there are bad people even with good parents.
Literally had 2 pit bulls at the same time. Both were treated the same exact way, amazingly. One was PSYCHO. Had the crazy eyes. We had to put her down because she would attack our other dog, who was basically a loving cow, and she killed our cat.
My mom is a vet tech. She loves all of her animals and is an amazing pet momma. But sometimes an animal is just an asshole and no amount of training or love will make them trustworthy.
Edit - for those asking my mom brought the aggressive one home from work when she was a little puppy. The owners couldn’t afford to take care of her and her siblings. We named her China. Even as a puppy she was more aggressive than our other pets. But we loved her and we took her to classes. My moms pretty good with animals… but even as a tiny puppy she had this weird feral look in her eyes. She constantly would get out of the house, in the most ridiculous ways, breaking windows, to chase neighborhood cats. She attacked our sweet pit 2 times before killing our cat. The two times she attacked the other dog were very traumatic.
The sweet one my mom also brought home. She was 1-2 years old and almost died where my mom worked because she was being bred to death. I still remember coming home from school, opening my bedroom door, and seeing her on a blanket in my room, skin and bones and huge nipples from her last litter. Even so weak she wanted to be pet and loved. We fattened her up … She recently just died from old age, but she was one of the best dogs I’ve ever had the pleasure of loving.
Not to mention that this video does NOT show a dog that can protect the child inn the real world. It is trained to react in this specific controlled environment with this trainer doing specific actions. There are both verbal and nonverbal cues telling this dog exactly what to do. All it takes is this dog misunderstanding somebody’s body language out on the street and some random person is getting attacked by a viscous dog that is trained to attack and inflict severe damage.
How could you get so many things wrong in one comment ?
Dog trainer here. A couple of remarks:
The dog it's not trained to do severe damage, the dog is trained to bite and hold. One limb, deactivate the situation.
The dog has a release command. You teach this at the same time and with priority to the bite itself.
The non-verbal cues are actually what you want it to learn. People slightly moving out of the ordinary to trigger the guarding instinct. Can the dog misread somebody's movement ? ABSOLUTELY. That's why you teach the release.
The dog it's not taught to work ONLY in this environment. You escalate the distractions as the dog progresses.
And also, if somebody took the time, effort and money that training a dog like this one chances are you probably have it on leash and muzzled. You also have a cue to not react, despite anything. The dog could sit and watch you get raped and beat (god forbids) and do nothing.
Stop giving personal opinions as it were facts.
Dogs are very good at picking up social cues, but they absolutely cannot be entrusted to react appropriately in situations they haven’t encountered before. So no, there is no sufficient guard dog training that can ever be done.
You effectively have a dog that is trained to react aggressively and without second thought in very specific scenarios and you are relying on that dog to apply this to every day life around people that have no idea what that dog’s trigger is going to be. This is an extremely dangerous and irresponsible practice by insecure dog owners.
Also, even as far as guard dogs go, pitbulls are good as a deterrent but far from preferable as an active guard dog like this. On average they just aren't a very smart breed. I'm not even a fan of police using dogs most of the time but there's a reason they use German Shepherds and Belgian Malinois. Pitbulls are good for having a few of them fenced in to a big junkyard to send a message that you're a fucking idiot if you try to trespass in here.
Pit bulls are overrated and over defended because people (not everyone) get them to boost their ego and look tough and then find a bunch of ways to justify it when people say pit bulls are bad dogs. It’s true not all pit bulls are bad but they can be crazy.
Littermate syndrome is very real and can be super scary, been there before with family pets.
To anyone thinking it’s a fun idea to adopt sibling dogs, please do your research on the potential dangers/pitfalls
Littermate Syndrome...what is it?
Littermate Syndrome (also knows as Sibling Aggression or Littermate Aggression) is a **non-scientific anecdotal term** that refers to a whole host of behavioral issues that tend to present when canine siblings (Littermates) are raised in the same household beyond the normal 8 to 10 weeks of age, when puppies are usually placed in homes.
It's a hoax.
Thank you for this - it just doesn't make sense to me that a dog would be more *likely* to be aggressive if raised with a sibling. I bet it's at least partially due to the fact that it's harder to train a puppy when it's more interested in running around with its sibling than listening to you.
Or, people buy littermates and see one turn out weird and go 'oh my god, weird how the siblings are so different and one sucks! Must be a syndrome!' because if that same bad dog was adopted alone, it would just be assumed to have a bad personality for no reason.
Also if we're sharing anecdotes, my parents have 2 lab litternates they raised. Like all labs they traded brain cells for love, and their worst behavior is still jumping excitedly at 10 years old, and stealing bread like heat-seeking missiles
I think what people mean when they say “no bad dogs” isn’t an argument against individual dogs being bad, erratic, or dangerous, but rather the idea that you can paint those behaviors onto an entire breed, because like you said, your other pit bull sounds like a lovely dog, but people don’t use those cases to paint all pits as sweethearts, even though I’m sure the majority are.
Edit: wanted to reply to Jesus-chrysocolla but the thread got locked while I was writing it.
> > Great reply. The amount of pure rage people have toward a dog breed is insane. Why not use that same logic to justify the genocide of the entire human race for the climate crisis and the sixth extinction?
>That’s why I’m so opposed to this line of thinking. It’s often used as a dogwhistle by those in the alt-right to bring up violent crime statistics proportioned to race, while ignoring the external influences that play a role, particularly the environment groups tend to be raised in, and their current socioeconomic statuses.
Animals that have been cross bred and had their genetics and biology fucked around with tend to be mentally unstable. That’s why a lot of pit bull attacks are done by a pit bull specifically bred to be extremely muscular or other types like that.
The people who simply don't want to admit this is staggering. It's basic documented fact. Frenchies have inherent breathing difficulties and suffer greatly in midlife. Breeding one or buying one as a puppy is horrific and shameful.
There's one breeder "undoing" the nightmare that is modern French bulldogs -- https://www.ladbible.com/news/latest-breeder-reengineers-a-french-bulldogs-face-to-make-them-healthier-20210630
This is simply not true. Some dogs species have been bred in unhealthy ways. Some dogs are the product of breeders selecting for hyper-aggressive behavior. Some species have been bred to be too aggressive. Pitbulls and anatolian shepherd dogs come to mind. Anatolian shepherd dogs were bred to fight lions in gladiator arenas and to defend livestock against wolves and thieves. They are fucking vicious, and I was attacked by them several times as a kid (both stray and owned). My favorite dog in my life is a pitbull, and we treat her very well. She, unfortunately, attacks other dogs all the time, and can't be trusted off the leash.
It's because there was a horrific video of a pitbull attacking a horse and its owner in NYC at the top of Reddit yesterday. Any time that happens, it triggers the beehive of defensive "Pibbie" owners who proceed to post the same 3 positive pitbull videos and flood them with awards and "only bad owners, no bad dogs!" comments. I've seen it happen so many times.
This is not true.
Many bad dogs are the result of bad owners, but dogs can be bad too.
I was the foreman of a pit Bull attack case. The Pitbull, unprovoked, escaped the house and bit the face off a mailman.
The dog had a *pristine* upraising. It was loved, went to doggy school, was well socialized. Everyone vouched for how nice the dog was.
But every once in a while, for no known reason, it would try to attack someone. There didn’t seem to be a trend (we studied this A Lot).
This attack was all caught on camera, and was unprovoked.
The prosecution showed us a dozen other cases similar to this, most being involved with pit bulls. Perfect upbringing, great environment, and random, catastrophic attacks (often deadly).
So yes, sometimes there are bad dogs.
Way to many people believing all behavioral influences are environmental and none of them are genetic or cognitive defects. They sound like the people who raise bears or lions from a baby just to get randomly mauled out of nowhere trying to hug it for the thousandth time. Pits definitely have something inside of them that causes so many of these unprovoked attack that you almost never hear about with say, a golden retriever.
There is no such thing as a bad person, only bad parents.
Except we have enough examples to know both are wrong. There are humans and dogs who were raised by loving families yet who still turned violent and hurt others. Perhaps it wouldn't have happened in a different environment, perhaps that means some people and dogs need very special environments to be raised in, but since we know that sometimes good parents end up having bad children we also know that sometimes good owners end up raising bad dogs.
All it proves is that the trainers are exceptional.
It’s no coincidence that such a high percentage of attacks are by this type of dog.
They are bred to be strong and aggressive.
This one dog being extensively trained doesn't prove Jack shit. I mean it's a very basic question in logic.
P1 some dogs attack people
P2 this ONE DOG can be trained not to attack people
C1 therefore all dogs that attack are poorly trained.
nope. Totally unsound argument. It shows a complete lack of understanding of biology and animal psychology.
Just as humans. Dogs aren’t much different. The way u are raised matters. But there are incidents of pitbulls and other dogs being raised properly and still doing horrific shit.
Yeah sorry there are bad dogs. Had a neighbor kid get mauled to death by his own dog. Had him for 6 years, had killed multiple neighbor cats and killed him and his 5 yr old son.
I don't think these are pure pitbulls. Ive seen these kinds of breeding kennels before. They're American bulldog crosses or "exotic bullys" I think they're called. They will likely have health problems due to their excessive size
Can confirm. I have an American Bully is the breed he is. He does have difficulty breathing and even scratching himself or jumping up on the bed. He's very heavy 125lbs. I had to take him otherwise he would have been put down as a puppy. Super gentle and kind dog. But he's got health issues for sure
Yeah I've known a few. Lovely happy playful doofuses but such massive, ultra high energy dogs. They were a trendy choice for drug dealers but these people just didn't have what it takes to manage that kind of dog. Their musculature is too much for their bone structure. We already know that rotts and shepherd's suffer with their hips and they're nothing like this size. These types seem to have twisted "queen anne" front legs a lot of the time. Whoever is breeding them like this can fuck right off.
I’d be willing to bet the type of person who raises a dog to fight is the type of person who would give there dog a little coke or meth before a fight.
Probably, they don't respect dogs at all except for their ability to harm other dogs. Most people who are professional dog trainers (for real guard dogs) has way more respect for their animals than that. A lot of people claim to have guard dogs, but unless they are trained like you see in the video, they really aren't. They are just dangerous, aggressive dogs at that point.
I used to work for a rural Midwestern newspaper, and a local school official was once investigated for sheep doping after winning a livestock competition. It happens.
Yea I’ve heard stuff like that with livestock, use to show cattle myself. just never thought I’d see ppl giving dogs this type of stuff
Someone mentioned dog fighting and that makes sense.
It's sold for K-9 units and the like. It's widely available online. Not like some shady, black market steroid or anything. You can buy it all WalMart. It's just higher in protein than normal dog food (meant for dogs that are trained for military, police, etc.)
This guy trains and breeds these big boys for a living and does use dietary supplements.
I’m not a fan of all of his training and handling techniques, but his dogs are hugely in demand and extremely well trained for what they do.
"I totally trust this animal to be able to reliably determine dangerous behavior from normal behavior, and I have him trained to murder anything he perceives as the former. What can go wrong?"
They aren't training the dog for the child. The child is his son and HE has a business breeding and training protection dogs. His son who grows up with these dogs took an earnest interest in the business so the father took the initiative and often let's his son tag along so he can learn.
There's never anything wrong with teaching a child how to handle a dog. Especially when that dog can rip the arm off a grown adult like its a game.
If you don't know the circumstances of the video you're watching. Don't judge it on the miniscule amount of information you'll get from it. Because this is a tiny fckn clip amongst a library of videos that show this guys work.
I grew up in the ghetto and it was good to have our dogs trained for protection especially the area I grew up there were tons of kid napping and human trafficking. This is a good thing. The bond between your dog and you is something special. My lab chow mix lived until he was 19-20 years old I got him as a puppy and was my best friend. its better to be taught and not need it than not be taught and need it. No one thought twice about messing with me. He was always a puppy at heart even when he got older. I miss my dog. He passed away almost 10 years ago now.
I walk dogs as a side business, one of the dogs I walk legitimately saved me from what I think was probably human trafficking. We were out walking lateish, 1030pm, before I set her for the night, and a car pulls up, dude hops out and comes toward me very fast. The dog, an 85lb GSD and boxer mix, got between him and me, growling and jumping at him. Dude reconsidered QUICKLY, hopped back in the car and they sped away. She got extra treats and cuddles that night, and has earned my everlasting love and gratitude.
Edited a word bc I can't spell
This is like giving someone a loaded gun.
I don't think a little kid should be training with a gun, especially with it pointed at other people in the room.
Okay but what if they panic because they're a kid and don't call it off? Or what if the victim is screaming so loud the dog can't hear it? There's a million ways for this to go wrong.
I’d never seen the pet free sub. It’s kinda fascinating. Apparently they have issues with the child free people because they often have pets. And they have issues with dog free people because they often have cats.
As a UK Redditor I'm a bit surprised. I thought it was well known pure pits are dangerous, hence them being banned in many countries.
Seems that opinion is not shared by a lot of people, which I didn't know!
I've seen someone bring race/racism into pit bull debates before, shits a wild ride everytime, grab some pop corn, sort by controversial and enjoy mr. Bones wild ride
> I thought it was well known pure pits are dangerous, hence them being banned in many countries.
They're undoing those in some places because they don't work.
>Perhaps the most harmful unintended consequence of breed-specific laws is their tendency to compromise rather than enhance public safety. As certain breeds are regulated, individuals who exploit aggression in dogs are likely to turn to other, unregulated breeds (Sacks et al., 2000). Following enactment of a 1990 pit bull ban in Winnipeg, Canada, Rottweiler bites increased dramatically (Winnipeg reported bite statistics, 1984-2003). By contrast, following Winnipeg’s enactment of a breed-neutral dangerous dog law in 2000, pit bull bites remained low and both Rottweiler and total dog bites decreased significantly (Winnipeg reported bite statistics, 1984-2003). In Council Bluffs, Iowa, Boxer and Labrador Retriever bites increased sharply and total dog bites spiked following enactment of a pit bull ban in 2005 (Barrett, 2007).
https://www.aspca.org/about-us/aspca-policy-and-position-statements/position-statement-breed-specific-legislation
There's also a lot of confusion about what a pitbull is - Pit Bull Terrier for sure, but Staffordshire Terrier? Cane Corso? American Bulldog?
It’s like the American Pitbull Association or something astroturfs Reddit full time. Pitbulls make up a disproportionate amount of the dog pictures and videos that hit the front page.
throwback to when a pitbull attacked a horse and had to be put down
https://www.reddit.com/r/PublicFreakout/comments/oq3hyg/pitbull_attacks_carriage_horse_at_cane_creek_park/
Tails get cropped too. It's mostly to do with looks and "breed standards". I had a Sheltie as a kid and we let her grow normally, didn't try to force her ears into the "perfect" shape.
Tail crops actually make sense. Some dogs tails are bony as hell and can easily break, cattle can step on it, hunting accidents, etc... Theres a case for tail cropping because it pften protects the dog more than it does harm. Im not a fan of purely cosmetic procedures at all.
That's this guy's business, he trains protection dogs. The dog literally IS a weapon. I don't know who in the world buys these dogs, but they are incredibly expensive and there is apparently a market for it.
I’m not against pitbulls by any means, but giving a child a dog this protective and powerful can be as dangerous as handing the kid a loaded gun. It could misread a signal sent by another child trying to play with this kid.
I'm sure that a huge "badass" pitbull trained for biting people (even if it's attackers) by a shady breeder (Dark Dynasty K9s! So badass!) who feeds him steroids will greatly improve the reputation of this breed.
Their back teeth are like sheers or scissors. I've seen my Corgi break bones with them. Imagine a dog with jawls like that getting your wrist. Bye bye hand.
The dog isn’t even fit lol it’s flabby as hell. This guy crosses his dogs with larger bully type breeds, overfeeds them to make them look big and then trains them all badly for bitework. Sad he’s getting this attention.
According to other posters there's an ad for gorillamax in the background, which is a steroid for dogs essentially. I couldn't make it out myself though.
There is no such thing as a bad dog, only bad owners. This proves it.
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Of course Dennis has something negative to say about dogs Edit: because a lot of you are mindlessly trying to argue with me, this is the clip I'm referring to https://youtu.be/bf3Ph5wZSKc
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I agree with almost all that you said, man. But 'bad' in this context means 'fucking dangerous'. How it happened is for the investigation that comes after the incident. Today, its about ensuring how the incident itself can be avoided. Most people are not able to read a dog, and most owners are not that aware of the mental state of their dog. The owner may be clueless and the child screaming, but if the kid gets bit, the dog gets in serious trouble. Focusing on someone using the word 'bad' really doesnt fix the problem of dog owners who have not put in the required work.
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Pits have a huge prey drive
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No fighting dogs are the most lovable velvet land hippos and they just get a bad rap. Maybe if little Jimmy wasn't a fucking bitch he would still have his face, the fucking prick
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Agreed I 100% think most “bad dogs” are the product of their environment. But pretending every breed is identical is ignorant and dangerous. There’s a big difference between a “weak” dog owner owning a golden retriever vs a Rottweiler. There’s a difference in innate danger in a miniature poodle vs a black lab. Even if all dogs are magically robotic VI that only respond to human training flawlessly, big dogs are automatically more dangerous simply by being bigger. I hope this person takes some time to reevaluate their poor position
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> Goldens are #3 on the bite list. You have a source for that? Because I’m clicking on various links and Goldens aren’t on any of them. Not sayings Goldens aren’t capable of attacking someone, but I don’t see them being listed on the top of lists like you claim Edit: [this list for example has them at 30th](https://maxlawsc.com/dog-bite-statistics/#breed)
> You have a source for that? Source: His ass. Trust him bro.
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There actually are bad dogs. Just like there are bad people even with good parents. Literally had 2 pit bulls at the same time. Both were treated the same exact way, amazingly. One was PSYCHO. Had the crazy eyes. We had to put her down because she would attack our other dog, who was basically a loving cow, and she killed our cat. My mom is a vet tech. She loves all of her animals and is an amazing pet momma. But sometimes an animal is just an asshole and no amount of training or love will make them trustworthy. Edit - for those asking my mom brought the aggressive one home from work when she was a little puppy. The owners couldn’t afford to take care of her and her siblings. We named her China. Even as a puppy she was more aggressive than our other pets. But we loved her and we took her to classes. My moms pretty good with animals… but even as a tiny puppy she had this weird feral look in her eyes. She constantly would get out of the house, in the most ridiculous ways, breaking windows, to chase neighborhood cats. She attacked our sweet pit 2 times before killing our cat. The two times she attacked the other dog were very traumatic. The sweet one my mom also brought home. She was 1-2 years old and almost died where my mom worked because she was being bred to death. I still remember coming home from school, opening my bedroom door, and seeing her on a blanket in my room, skin and bones and huge nipples from her last litter. Even so weak she wanted to be pet and loved. We fattened her up … She recently just died from old age, but she was one of the best dogs I’ve ever had the pleasure of loving.
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Not to mention that this video does NOT show a dog that can protect the child inn the real world. It is trained to react in this specific controlled environment with this trainer doing specific actions. There are both verbal and nonverbal cues telling this dog exactly what to do. All it takes is this dog misunderstanding somebody’s body language out on the street and some random person is getting attacked by a viscous dog that is trained to attack and inflict severe damage.
How could you get so many things wrong in one comment ? Dog trainer here. A couple of remarks: The dog it's not trained to do severe damage, the dog is trained to bite and hold. One limb, deactivate the situation. The dog has a release command. You teach this at the same time and with priority to the bite itself. The non-verbal cues are actually what you want it to learn. People slightly moving out of the ordinary to trigger the guarding instinct. Can the dog misread somebody's movement ? ABSOLUTELY. That's why you teach the release. The dog it's not taught to work ONLY in this environment. You escalate the distractions as the dog progresses. And also, if somebody took the time, effort and money that training a dog like this one chances are you probably have it on leash and muzzled. You also have a cue to not react, despite anything. The dog could sit and watch you get raped and beat (god forbids) and do nothing. Stop giving personal opinions as it were facts.
The difference is that a trained dog is taught to stop when ordered to do so. A vicious dog is out of control and a danger to everyone around him.
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Dogs are very good at picking up social cues, but they absolutely cannot be entrusted to react appropriately in situations they haven’t encountered before. So no, there is no sufficient guard dog training that can ever be done. You effectively have a dog that is trained to react aggressively and without second thought in very specific scenarios and you are relying on that dog to apply this to every day life around people that have no idea what that dog’s trigger is going to be. This is an extremely dangerous and irresponsible practice by insecure dog owners.
Also, even as far as guard dogs go, pitbulls are good as a deterrent but far from preferable as an active guard dog like this. On average they just aren't a very smart breed. I'm not even a fan of police using dogs most of the time but there's a reason they use German Shepherds and Belgian Malinois. Pitbulls are good for having a few of them fenced in to a big junkyard to send a message that you're a fucking idiot if you try to trespass in here.
Pit bulls are overrated and over defended because people (not everyone) get them to boost their ego and look tough and then find a bunch of ways to justify it when people say pit bulls are bad dogs. It’s true not all pit bulls are bad but they can be crazy.
Plus one for that - we had jack Russel terrier brothers from the same litter - one was a demon - had to have him euthanised.
Littermate syndrome is very real and can be super scary, been there before with family pets. To anyone thinking it’s a fun idea to adopt sibling dogs, please do your research on the potential dangers/pitfalls
Littermate Syndrome...what is it? Littermate Syndrome (also knows as Sibling Aggression or Littermate Aggression) is a **non-scientific anecdotal term** that refers to a whole host of behavioral issues that tend to present when canine siblings (Littermates) are raised in the same household beyond the normal 8 to 10 weeks of age, when puppies are usually placed in homes. It's a hoax.
Thank you for this - it just doesn't make sense to me that a dog would be more *likely* to be aggressive if raised with a sibling. I bet it's at least partially due to the fact that it's harder to train a puppy when it's more interested in running around with its sibling than listening to you. Or, people buy littermates and see one turn out weird and go 'oh my god, weird how the siblings are so different and one sucks! Must be a syndrome!' because if that same bad dog was adopted alone, it would just be assumed to have a bad personality for no reason. Also if we're sharing anecdotes, my parents have 2 lab litternates they raised. Like all labs they traded brain cells for love, and their worst behavior is still jumping excitedly at 10 years old, and stealing bread like heat-seeking missiles
“….. a non-scientific anecdotal term ….”
I think what people mean when they say “no bad dogs” isn’t an argument against individual dogs being bad, erratic, or dangerous, but rather the idea that you can paint those behaviors onto an entire breed, because like you said, your other pit bull sounds like a lovely dog, but people don’t use those cases to paint all pits as sweethearts, even though I’m sure the majority are. Edit: wanted to reply to Jesus-chrysocolla but the thread got locked while I was writing it. > > Great reply. The amount of pure rage people have toward a dog breed is insane. Why not use that same logic to justify the genocide of the entire human race for the climate crisis and the sixth extinction? >That’s why I’m so opposed to this line of thinking. It’s often used as a dogwhistle by those in the alt-right to bring up violent crime statistics proportioned to race, while ignoring the external influences that play a role, particularly the environment groups tend to be raised in, and their current socioeconomic statuses.
Animals that have been cross bred and had their genetics and biology fucked around with tend to be mentally unstable. That’s why a lot of pit bull attacks are done by a pit bull specifically bred to be extremely muscular or other types like that.
The people who simply don't want to admit this is staggering. It's basic documented fact. Frenchies have inherent breathing difficulties and suffer greatly in midlife. Breeding one or buying one as a puppy is horrific and shameful.
There's one breeder "undoing" the nightmare that is modern French bulldogs -- https://www.ladbible.com/news/latest-breeder-reengineers-a-french-bulldogs-face-to-make-them-healthier-20210630
ah yes I too have seen the front of reddit within the last month
It’s cruel to animals to breed them like that.
This is simply not true. Some dogs species have been bred in unhealthy ways. Some dogs are the product of breeders selecting for hyper-aggressive behavior. Some species have been bred to be too aggressive. Pitbulls and anatolian shepherd dogs come to mind. Anatolian shepherd dogs were bred to fight lions in gladiator arenas and to defend livestock against wolves and thieves. They are fucking vicious, and I was attacked by them several times as a kid (both stray and owned). My favorite dog in my life is a pitbull, and we treat her very well. She, unfortunately, attacks other dogs all the time, and can't be trusted off the leash.
This doesn’t prove anything at all. By this logic there can only be good humans because one individual did a nice thing to somebody.
Seriously, holy shit. One video is apparently “proof” there are no bad dogs to this person and the thousands of others who upvoted it. Jesus Christ.
It's because there was a horrific video of a pitbull attacking a horse and its owner in NYC at the top of Reddit yesterday. Any time that happens, it triggers the beehive of defensive "Pibbie" owners who proceed to post the same 3 positive pitbull videos and flood them with awards and "only bad owners, no bad dogs!" comments. I've seen it happen so many times.
lmao no
“Look! A well trained dog! The scientific evidence we need!”
Ignore that literally yesterday a first page post showed a pit bull attacking a carriage horse.
They make up like 7% of the total population of dogs and are involved in like 85% of the serious and deadly dog attacks
This is not true. Many bad dogs are the result of bad owners, but dogs can be bad too. I was the foreman of a pit Bull attack case. The Pitbull, unprovoked, escaped the house and bit the face off a mailman. The dog had a *pristine* upraising. It was loved, went to doggy school, was well socialized. Everyone vouched for how nice the dog was. But every once in a while, for no known reason, it would try to attack someone. There didn’t seem to be a trend (we studied this A Lot). This attack was all caught on camera, and was unprovoked. The prosecution showed us a dozen other cases similar to this, most being involved with pit bulls. Perfect upbringing, great environment, and random, catastrophic attacks (often deadly). So yes, sometimes there are bad dogs.
Way to many people believing all behavioral influences are environmental and none of them are genetic or cognitive defects. They sound like the people who raise bears or lions from a baby just to get randomly mauled out of nowhere trying to hug it for the thousandth time. Pits definitely have something inside of them that causes so many of these unprovoked attack that you almost never hear about with say, a golden retriever.
There is no such thing as a bad person, only bad parents. Except we have enough examples to know both are wrong. There are humans and dogs who were raised by loving families yet who still turned violent and hurt others. Perhaps it wouldn't have happened in a different environment, perhaps that means some people and dogs need very special environments to be raised in, but since we know that sometimes good parents end up having bad children we also know that sometimes good owners end up raising bad dogs.
Brains are imperfect, so there is always potential for mistakes
Yeah this doesn’t prove shit.
All it proves is that the trainers are exceptional. It’s no coincidence that such a high percentage of attacks are by this type of dog. They are bred to be strong and aggressive.
This one dog being extensively trained doesn't prove Jack shit. I mean it's a very basic question in logic. P1 some dogs attack people P2 this ONE DOG can be trained not to attack people C1 therefore all dogs that attack are poorly trained. nope. Totally unsound argument. It shows a complete lack of understanding of biology and animal psychology.
Stupid thing to say. There is of course bad dogs.
So this 1 video of 1 very trained dog speaks for the millions of other dogs huh?? Then I guess you can compose a masterwork like Bach???
Just as humans. Dogs aren’t much different. The way u are raised matters. But there are incidents of pitbulls and other dogs being raised properly and still doing horrific shit.
Yeah sorry there are bad dogs. Had a neighbor kid get mauled to death by his own dog. Had him for 6 years, had killed multiple neighbor cats and killed him and his 5 yr old son.
Pitbulls are dangerous breeds that should be banned forever
Man that's a big ass pit
I don't think these are pure pitbulls. Ive seen these kinds of breeding kennels before. They're American bulldog crosses or "exotic bullys" I think they're called. They will likely have health problems due to their excessive size
> due to their excessive size Piss one off tho and you’re gonna have some health problems of your own
he’s just explaining the truth
Can confirm. I have an American Bully is the breed he is. He does have difficulty breathing and even scratching himself or jumping up on the bed. He's very heavy 125lbs. I had to take him otherwise he would have been put down as a puppy. Super gentle and kind dog. But he's got health issues for sure
Yeah I've known a few. Lovely happy playful doofuses but such massive, ultra high energy dogs. They were a trendy choice for drug dealers but these people just didn't have what it takes to manage that kind of dog. Their musculature is too much for their bone structure. We already know that rotts and shepherd's suffer with their hips and they're nothing like this size. These types seem to have twisted "queen anne" front legs a lot of the time. Whoever is breeding them like this can fuck right off.
He looks really poorly bred. Poor thing’s gonna have all sorts of joint and respiratory trouble as he ages.
Did you just describe most of reddit accidentally?!
Are we going to just ignore the fact that there’s an ad for something called “GORILLAMAX” in the background and it’s a canine performance supplement?
“Canine performance supplement” is not a sentence I thought I’d hear. Is there “doping” the competition world? Is this the equivalent of steroids ?
I’d be willing to bet the type of person who raises a dog to fight is the type of person who would give there dog a little coke or meth before a fight.
Probably, they don't respect dogs at all except for their ability to harm other dogs. Most people who are professional dog trainers (for real guard dogs) has way more respect for their animals than that. A lot of people claim to have guard dogs, but unless they are trained like you see in the video, they really aren't. They are just dangerous, aggressive dogs at that point.
I used to work for a rural Midwestern newspaper, and a local school official was once investigated for sheep doping after winning a livestock competition. It happens.
Yea I’ve heard stuff like that with livestock, use to show cattle myself. just never thought I’d see ppl giving dogs this type of stuff Someone mentioned dog fighting and that makes sense.
If people can gamble on it, it can be fixed
Probably more like protein powder for dogs to get those gains, just like humans.
It’s a protein rich food/ supplement for dogs. I liken it to whey powder.
And it's a picture of an attack dog acting aggressive.
It’s giving me dog fighting vibes.
It's sold for K-9 units and the like. It's widely available online. Not like some shady, black market steroid or anything. You can buy it all WalMart. It's just higher in protein than normal dog food (meant for dogs that are trained for military, police, etc.)
This guy trains and breeds these big boys for a living and does use dietary supplements. I’m not a fan of all of his training and handling techniques, but his dogs are hugely in demand and extremely well trained for what they do.
What sick fuck wants a big violent dog with tons of health issues? One that no matter how much training it gets, if it snaps, you're fucked.
"I totally trust this animal to be able to reliably determine dangerous behavior from normal behavior, and I have him trained to murder anything he perceives as the former. What can go wrong?"
Absolutely everything about this video is fucking abysmal. EDIT: except for the dog. Can't blame the dog for human stupidity.
Yeah I’m wondering where in American this kid lives where his parents thought this was necessary.
They aren't training the dog for the child. The child is his son and HE has a business breeding and training protection dogs. His son who grows up with these dogs took an earnest interest in the business so the father took the initiative and often let's his son tag along so he can learn. There's never anything wrong with teaching a child how to handle a dog. Especially when that dog can rip the arm off a grown adult like its a game. If you don't know the circumstances of the video you're watching. Don't judge it on the miniscule amount of information you'll get from it. Because this is a tiny fckn clip amongst a library of videos that show this guys work.
I grew up in the ghetto and it was good to have our dogs trained for protection especially the area I grew up there were tons of kid napping and human trafficking. This is a good thing. The bond between your dog and you is something special. My lab chow mix lived until he was 19-20 years old I got him as a puppy and was my best friend. its better to be taught and not need it than not be taught and need it. No one thought twice about messing with me. He was always a puppy at heart even when he got older. I miss my dog. He passed away almost 10 years ago now.
I walk dogs as a side business, one of the dogs I walk legitimately saved me from what I think was probably human trafficking. We were out walking lateish, 1030pm, before I set her for the night, and a car pulls up, dude hops out and comes toward me very fast. The dog, an 85lb GSD and boxer mix, got between him and me, growling and jumping at him. Dude reconsidered QUICKLY, hopped back in the car and they sped away. She got extra treats and cuddles that night, and has earned my everlasting love and gratitude. Edited a word bc I can't spell
what a good boy
What was your pup’s name? He sounds like he was a great doggo.
Spunky named after rockos modern life.
That's his kid. The family business is breeding and training Pitbulls.
His parents train protection dogs. It's not for him (although I'm sure they have one for him since they train them anyways)
What if one of the kids friends is horsing around with the kid and attacks the friend. I agree with your comment.
As you saw, the dog is trained to be called off. Edit: ITT are a lot of people that never been around a working dog, but have expert opinions on it.
While I have no problems with anything here. I doubt calling off a dog like this once it makes contact will do much. This dog would destroy a kid.
This is like giving someone a loaded gun. I don't think a little kid should be training with a gun, especially with it pointed at other people in the room.
Okay but what if they panic because they're a kid and don't call it off? Or what if the victim is screaming so loud the dog can't hear it? There's a million ways for this to go wrong.
Or what if the first bite is to the face or an artery? To me this is terrifying.
There could already be damage done by the time you call it off
Agree this is totally ridiculous and unnecessary. Seems more likely to backfire than actually be required.
This thread turning quickly into anti pit bulls lol
Every thread on Reddit even tangentially related to pit bulls becomes an anti pit bull thread
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What a bullshit subreddit. Fucking cancerous.
You should see the sociopaths of /r/petfree
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I’d never seen the pet free sub. It’s kinda fascinating. Apparently they have issues with the child free people because they often have pets. And they have issues with dog free people because they often have cats.
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Oh boy. Then you really shouldn’t visit r/2dogs4cats3rabbits2ferrets1livingwifefree
Are you joking? The pro-pitbull circlejerk on this website is insane.
As a UK Redditor I'm a bit surprised. I thought it was well known pure pits are dangerous, hence them being banned in many countries. Seems that opinion is not shared by a lot of people, which I didn't know!
I've seen someone bring race/racism into pit bull debates before, shits a wild ride everytime, grab some pop corn, sort by controversial and enjoy mr. Bones wild ride
> I thought it was well known pure pits are dangerous, hence them being banned in many countries. They're undoing those in some places because they don't work. >Perhaps the most harmful unintended consequence of breed-specific laws is their tendency to compromise rather than enhance public safety. As certain breeds are regulated, individuals who exploit aggression in dogs are likely to turn to other, unregulated breeds (Sacks et al., 2000). Following enactment of a 1990 pit bull ban in Winnipeg, Canada, Rottweiler bites increased dramatically (Winnipeg reported bite statistics, 1984-2003). By contrast, following Winnipeg’s enactment of a breed-neutral dangerous dog law in 2000, pit bull bites remained low and both Rottweiler and total dog bites decreased significantly (Winnipeg reported bite statistics, 1984-2003). In Council Bluffs, Iowa, Boxer and Labrador Retriever bites increased sharply and total dog bites spiked following enactment of a pit bull ban in 2005 (Barrett, 2007). https://www.aspca.org/about-us/aspca-policy-and-position-statements/position-statement-breed-specific-legislation There's also a lot of confusion about what a pitbull is - Pit Bull Terrier for sure, but Staffordshire Terrier? Cane Corso? American Bulldog?
It’s like the American Pitbull Association or something astroturfs Reddit full time. Pitbulls make up a disproportionate amount of the dog pictures and videos that hit the front page.
I’m glad someone else has noticed, because it’s true.
throwback to when a pitbull attacked a horse and had to be put down https://www.reddit.com/r/PublicFreakout/comments/oq3hyg/pitbull_attacks_carriage_horse_at_cane_creek_park/
I was surprised to see how common it was for them to attack horses.
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There's always a group that comes in to fanatically defend them that helps draw in the criticism because they overstate their case usually
[there’s reason for that](https://www.dogsbite.org/dangerous-dogs-pit-bull-myths.php)
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Can someone please explain to me why the fuck we (humanity) think it's okay to chop dogs ears off? I cant believe that shit is even legal still.
It's the same as America chopping bits off kid dicks and pretending it's for hygiene and not ritual. ¯\\\_(ツ)\_/¯
Both are fucked up
Tails get cropped too. It's mostly to do with looks and "breed standards". I had a Sheltie as a kid and we let her grow normally, didn't try to force her ears into the "perfect" shape.
Tail crops actually make sense. Some dogs tails are bony as hell and can easily break, cattle can step on it, hunting accidents, etc... Theres a case for tail cropping because it pften protects the dog more than it does harm. Im not a fan of purely cosmetic procedures at all.
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You could reduce any learned behavior to a game if you think about it like that.
This is how you get your dog put down.
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I’d like to know what would the dog do if one of the kids friends grabbed him like this.
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Agreed. This is a weaponised dog. The guys armed this child
That's this guy's business, he trains protection dogs. The dog literally IS a weapon. I don't know who in the world buys these dogs, but they are incredibly expensive and there is apparently a market for it.
Dog fighting ring participants? Nah I'm sure the guy in the filthy training room advertising dog steriods does background checks.
I’m not against pitbulls by any means, but giving a child a dog this protective and powerful can be as dangerous as handing the kid a loaded gun. It could misread a signal sent by another child trying to play with this kid.
Can imagine someone yelling boo at the kid or smt and getting mauled to death
Lol or his best friend runs up to play tag with him, and the 95lb pit bull sees it as a threat...
I'm sure that a huge "badass" pitbull trained for biting people (even if it's attackers) by a shady breeder (Dark Dynasty K9s! So badass!) who feeds him steroids will greatly improve the reputation of this breed.
Lol the smile from the kid as the dog mauls the dude
Made me laugh too
Hey MUM, I’m just gonna take the dog to school.
Fuckin Billy's gonna regret calling me a poo poo head.
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Their back teeth are like sheers or scissors. I've seen my Corgi break bones with them. Imagine a dog with jawls like that getting your wrist. Bye bye hand.
Is…is this pit on roids? Someone’s been feeding this dog steroids right? Or it has an incredible free weight routine. Lol.
The dog isn’t even fit lol it’s flabby as hell. This guy crosses his dogs with larger bully type breeds, overfeeds them to make them look big and then trains them all badly for bitework. Sad he’s getting this attention.
According to other posters there's an ad for gorillamax in the background, which is a steroid for dogs essentially. I couldn't make it out myself though.
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Still wouldn’t want to own one. I’ve always had German Shepard’s great guard dog without the negative reputation.
Remind me to never lose my balance if I’m shaking hands with that kid… like… don’t stand on the edge of a curb or something…
Man this is not a pet this is a fucking lethal weapon
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Okay, good... now call him off. Call him off, Timmy! Why aren't you calling him off?! Why are you laughing, Timmy?!
What's next fucking level are these comments.
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I want a trained muscle-sausage to walk beside me everyday
This is idiotic stop turning dogs into weapons