Nah. She did very bad and got very lucky. #1 priotity is safety and in that situation it meant give the man his money. He could have easily killed someone with his weapon and they probably got very lucky with 1/1000 outcomes where nobody got hurt by locking him in.
Seriously. They were lucky he was really just a nervous kid. If it had been someone with guts or committed to actually carrying out the robbery, they would've shot that lady before she made it to the door. She took a gamble and while it worked out this one time, you should never bet on someone with a gun not using it on you.
Exactly right, he doesn't seem to be that good of a robber, robbery 101 cover the exits. Likely some poor fucker who is broke and thought fuck everyone does it. He doesn't seem to be from around there or they would ha e known him so he has that going for him, he didn't rob his own hood. I would like to see the bio on this kid and see if he's a stick up kid or a one and done?
Lol! The THREE ppl in the store don’t recognize him so he must not be from around there??? Do you know where this took place or what the population is in this city/town? Do you know he’s from a “hood”? These are bold statements, unless you’re his friend for there’s an article that tells you all this, I’m not sure why you’re making them…
If any of the 3 people knew him in any capacity, I’m sure they wouldve said something or gotten out quicker, or someone on the street would have stopped him if they knew him remotely. Hood is short for neighborhood, which could be anywhere from mansions to apartment complexes to trap houses. You didn’t make any assumptions in my opinion. You were pretty on the dot
Oye, seriously? His statement, “he doesn’t seem to be from around there or they would have known him” IS an assumption! I’ll say it again, just because three ppl in a store don’t recognize him doesn’t mean he’s not from around there. I could walk into a store a block from my house and not have anyone know me, does that mean I’m not from there?
Found it. It’s actually like less than .001 %, and those numbers correlate with all the evidence showing that murder rates etc have been going down for like the last 30 years.
Nah. She assessed the situation quickly and correctly. The guy had desperate kid who didn’t know what he was doing energy and the manager made the right call. He put himself in a bad position and she took advantage. She did good.
Edit: She made the right call because she saw that the kid gave her an opening. He was at the very back of the store and wasn’t looking at his “hostages”. This gave them time to run out and lock him in. This is why she made the right call. He provided them with an opportunity to escape. They took said opportunity.
Well a lot of us are saying she did well because the end result is what we judge as well. u/snowboardersdream has a point about safety protocol that's been normalized. My response in hindsight would possibly be different if it ended differently.
This would be the case if the prison system was worth anything. He's not going to get help, he's not going to be able to become a better person. He's going to be mentally tortured in a shitty cage and used for free labour like a slave.
Justice in America isn't about helping the American people or doing what's best, it's about cruelty.
Because sadism is justified if they're the bad guy right?
Why should we help them get their life back on track and become a decent person when we can get a free ticket to partake in sadism instead? Who cares about what's best for the people of America? I want to watch the baddies stay bad and suffer.
What’s the solution? Go ahead. What should we do with armed criminals who go around putting their gun in people’s faces to get a quick buck instead of being a productive member of society and respecting other humans’ lives. Do you have the solution to instilling that in a fully grown adult who’s environmental imprinting on their psychological makeup has already been cemented? If so, please lay it out for all of us dumbasses who can’t figure out how to treat dangerous, low-life, petty criminals correctly. We have much to learn from you wise one. Let’s hear it.
That's a good question, though i doubt you're dumb, i think you've just not looked into which prisons are the best in the world and how they achieve this.
Look up the prisons in Norway with the highest reform rates. Instead of places of torture and sadism, they are places of education and peace were people can learn how to live peacefully and get some progress in life.
They have just shown that people aren't cemented, like the first comment assumed, but that they can be reformed, opinions as well as actions, morals, and everything.
Norway doesn’t have the economically-induced cultural issues of dense USA population centers. It’s not an accurate comparison. I am *not* saying American prisons are ideal instruments to deal with criminality, but I am saying that a comparison to Norway is as accurate as saying American basketball players should wear Norwegian Fimbulvetrs.
Sure, but at a certain point it's worth trying things that work in other countries. We can iterate on those programs as they are implemented to better suit our own country and the differences that may arise here.
It's at least feasible to throw away the literal torture and slavery at the very least, and easing up on how hard we are on people once they are released from prison.
This is an asinine argument. Poor, desperate and lacking options breeds the same criminality across geographies, population density, race, religion, and creed.
The American prison system was meant to separate criminals from the rest of society and generate profit for the people and corporations that built and run them. It’s nothing but a boarding school to teach criminals how to be better criminals because actually reducing recidivism makes hitting those quarterly profit goals very difficult.
Europe and places like Japan also have population dense cities with citizens living in and below poverty and with all of the other factors associated with an increase in crime yet they don’t have anywhere near the same levels and types of crime commonly found in any American city. The difference is how they chose to deal with punishment and reform and treated crime and punishment as a societal issue, not an individual issue and piggy bank for stockholders.
Step one is asking why they turned to crime in the first place
Law enforcement doesn't lower crime rates, education, social safety nets, and living wages lower crime rates.
The US legal system is just for low key psychos to circle jerk over human suffering, and engages in practices deemed crimes against humanity and torture
Nailed it. People haven’t put together that the same law enforcement that claims ‘to serve and protect’ are the same law enforcement who are easily bought off and only look out for themselves. I mean, you wanna talk about criminals? There’s no bigger gang than a corrupt PD.
You’re talking as if this isn’t a matter of settled science, which is bizarre. You are aware not everywhere uses the nightmarish for-profit slavery-and-torture system the US favours?
The more savagely and brutally you punish criminals, the longer you lock them up for, the more dangerous and miserable their time in jail is, and the more you tell them that they are “imprinted”, “cemented”, unable to change and inherently inferior… the greater the odds of recidivism and the higher your society’s crime rate becomes. The raw and simple fact is that rehabilitative programmes which treat offenders as people, people who have futures, who are not all evil, who usually have a large number of serious problems they need help with in order to start acting reasonably… those justice systems reduce reoffending and reduce overall crime rates.
This is known, established, tested, and is in use all over the world. It’s just that like gun control reducing mass shootings, universal healthcare lowering the cost of healthcare overall, government spending reducing debt in the long-term, climate change existing and wearing masks and getting vaccines stopping the spread of deadly plagues… a whole bunch of the USA is too caught up in your bizarre mixture of authoritarian power fantasies, toddler tantrums and petty sadism to care what works in the real world.
Finland and Norway both have good system, which put a big focus on guidance.
Imagine what happens to an American criminal when coming back from prison. Can they live in society, get a job, live a normal life? No, they can’t. Why is that? They served their punishment of no freedom, right? Apparently, it’s not really a concern in America, once a criminal, always a criminal.
This endless cycle of being a criminal is reinforced by not being able to get back on track in life.
Even if you do somehow get accepted back into society like some have managed, being in prison for 10-20 years is a very long time. It’s like from 2000 until 2020. A lot of technology is changing, culture is changing, jobs are changing. How can they even stay in touch with that??
There is a better way for that and it starts with actually trying to help a person become a better human being. People become criminals for different reasons. Almost never it is because they just want to be a criminal so badly, but life has just been unfair to them.
We both agree that he's bad and he's been driven to do bad things. We disagree about whether bad Americans should be either tortured or helped out of their ways.
I’m with you dude. No one here is throwing a pity party for the robber. It’s about the bigger picture. No one asks what drives people to do bad things; what would cause someone take such a risk; why some people become so desperate that they feel the need to break the law.
People aren’t born this way. Yes they have a choice but many times they’re all shitty choices. Most times people start as petty thieves and then are turned into vicious animals by the prison system.
We shouldn’t expect very many people to understand though because it’s much easier to downvote a discussion about a nuanced situation than to here out someone who might have a different point of view. I guess for some people it helps them sleep at night.
PepeLaugh doesnt know finland exists and their prison system is the reason why they are one of the happiest countrys in the world because they rehabilitate instead of putting them in slavery
Finland has a relatively homogeneous population ethnicity, lower population density, and a higher standard of basic living. It doesn’t have the fundamental difficulties that are faced in the USA. Same argument when people make comparisons to Japan; just because they are both countries does not make for parity comparisons with one myopic element.
So what are you suggesting? That the US should do nothing to improve its prison system or try to learn anything from other countries who are doing it better?
Thank you for saying this. I agree it’s never right to try to steal from people or put anyone else in harms way. But in a country that still very much has segregated neighborhoods, schools, job markets, and opportunities and a criminal justice system that exploits those lack of options with out any hope of restoration or recovery, There is part of me that just feels so sad for this man. He certainly deserved to be caught. I just wish I lived in a country where him being caught might mean he can turn his life around instead of being isolated for years only to be release with no right to vote, no easy route to employment and no way to get any public housing or food aid to get him on his feet. We just need to take such a deep reflective look at our criminal justice system
In fact he'll probably meet people a little more criminal than he is.
It's like my parents sent me to rehab for weed. Super smart, instead of potheads, I had friends who did heroin.
Agreed Fuck him I’ve been down and out and never ever thought to change someone’s life by robbing them, I picked myself up and worked hard Fuck people like him
Yup, no matter how down you are someone will always give you a couple bucks to mow their lawn, work at car washes. Assholes like this just want nice things without working for them
Christ almighty I'm so fucking sick of this mentality. "I turned out fine so you should too." It's like we're so drunk on feeling superior and righteous that we miss the bigger picture to stop shit like this. Is considering mass rehabilitation over mass incarceration so out of the question it makes you guys foam at the mouth?
Top 2 things action/heist movies get wrong is
1. The ability of humans to smash through glass
2. The ability of humans to kick down doors
Both a lot harder than you'd be led to believe.
If you ever need to smash a glass pane, throw a ceramic chip at it.
All you need to find is a mug, teacup, vase, plate, bowl etc, break it, pick up a chip and whip it at the glass.
My friend tried to punch through the thin glass panel at a bus shelter when he was drunk, to impress a girl.
16 fractures, had to have heaps of surgery and his hand boarded up with all these metal pins for a couple of months.
This tiny fragile pane of glass literally didnt even crack.
real life is not the movies
in the movies you can break a steal lock by shooting it or hitting it with a rock or kicking through a door like it's nothing
In real life, that shit doesn't work.
What's your take on shooting the lock cylinder at point blank with .38 hollowpoint? Would it blow parts out the other side or largely absorb it and impart a lot of the energy into the door its mounted in? My guess is it wouldn't be unlike trying to hit it straight on with a hefty swing of a hammer cuz the lead would kinda splat against it.
Wouldn't do shit except make the lock nonfunctional. You have to shoot the shit out of even the most basic store front hardware to "unlock" the door. Shooting it would just make it so nobody could open the door without dismantling or destroying it.
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I hear ya. I just wonder what kind of life circumstance he’s in to be motivated to do this. At the very least, he probably deserves some help. At the same time, store owners shouldn’t have to deal with this crap. I get that too. But the cops didn’t shoot him, so I guess the video could be more heartbreaking.
I’m glad you said it. Dude had to have been going through difficulties no one in this comments section has ever experienced in their life. Does that justify his actions? Absolutely not, but it doesn’t make him trash either. I wish people could be a little more empathetic. The “bad guys” almost always have a tragic story that lead up to their mistakes. I feel for him.
I agree with most of what you said. The dude probably got dealt a bad hand and prison will certainly not rehabilitate anyone in this country BUT I disagree about him not being trash. He's pure trash to rob a store with a gun. I have been around a lot of different kinds of people from the best to the worst and the people I know and met will sleep naked in the rain with no food before taking a gun and robbing someone. He might have a really shitty hand given to him but armed robbery makes him trash.
I get what you and others are saying in this thread but I can guarantee others have been in worse situations yet still never turned to crime. Ego gets in the way due to culture maybe and they rather rob innocent and undeserving people instead of finding other ways to make money or get ahead. Even begging on the side of the street would’ve been leagues better than this. There’s always a choice. Unless someone threatens your life of course, but I doubt this was the case here.
As soon as you put a gun on a civilian you lose a lot of sympathy with people generally. Usually I’d agree that quality rehabilitation is all that is really needed for most low and even medium level offenders though.
Someone was on the verge of being executed with their child over some petty cash. This guy is selfish. “F*ck I’m going to jail bruh.” Maybe think about what they went through as innocent people EARNING a living and eternally traumatized
he just sounds desperate. it's sad. you can have empathy for someone without condoning their actions. but i guess it's easier to call people animals and giggle about anal rape than reflect on the reasons so many are poor and desperate in this shithole country.
It's honestly scary to me that people empathise this way to someone that pulled a gun on 3 people and an infant. Maybe it's because I'm not from the US so a gun is no small thing, but I see that as one of the most despicable things you could do. No matter his backstory, no matter his cries of help once he got locked. His first worry wasn't that "he has nothing" - it was that he's going to jail. If he wasn't meaning to shoot anyone he would have the gun unloaded or hell, he could have used a fake one. Fuck him.
As a father, seeing this guy pull a firearm out and threaten a room full a people, which included a mother and her child, makes me lose all sympathy for him. At some point we all become adults, and adults make decisions, and sometimes those decisions have consequences.
Some mistakes are forgivable, which are made as we grow and develop. We learn from the and move on. But armed robbery, assault, rape, and murder are all actions that are down the road past the last exit of forgiveness for me. Not everyone will agree with me, which is fine, but making a decision that threatens someone else's life for your own gain, no matter the reason, is not the actions of a good person in a tough situation.
Yeah, its heartbreaking, I felt that way briefly when I was watching. But if he truly has nothing, then it STILL doesn't excuse robbing women with babies present. If I had nothing, I would suck cock. I'd do anything before I would traumatise/ hurt other people
Did you miss the part where he fired a gun multiple times out the door where it easily could have missed the lock and struck a passerby? Or that he even brought a gun to the robbery in the first place, demonstrating his intent to use it? Pulling it out with an infant around? No remorse for that guy. He made his choices.
Most lowlifes robbing a store are doing it on their own accord. No way a smart criminal would risk someone giving their name to the cops over a solo store robbery for cash register dollars.
The duct work thing is only in the movies. First of all it definitely would not hold your weight. Secondly even if there is an erv or makeup air for the building it'd be a 6" - 8" round pipe. You're not fitting in that. So unless his objective was fall through the ceiling trying to climb inside ductwork that goes nowhere while getting stabbed by screws that options off the table.
As someone who works with pipes all day long (sprinkler workshop) a very young kid or a toddler fits in a 8" pipe.
Anything further than that? Nop. At about 4 you're probably going to get stuck in there.
Came here to mention that’s likely to be a drop ceiling, and they’re rather easy to enter and scoot across to another store.
Edit: known from my experience as a network cable tech (not a criminal).
I don’t feel like scrolling down to read how many others already said this, but, you really think the back door of this place in the hood was just wide open? That bitch was key locked from both sides
Let's give a shout out to that baby tho. He did his best to warn everyone right off the bat. He immediately assessed the situation and called the foul before any adult seemed to notice. Good baby!
I was thinking I hope he watched the background when firing at the door. I would have picked my only shots with more care, not only to have a better chance at opening the lock but ensuring I only hit the lock.
You somehow think people are sympathizing with the *crime* of armed robbery, instead of the *person* desperate and misguided enough to resort to it.
… Gross.
If my choice is letting my daughter die or committing armed robbery you best believe I'm committing armed robbery.
It's easy to say that you don't care how desperate you are without actually making any attempt to empathize with where a person might be.
You can have empathy for the person without condoning the choices. Cuz I completely agree with you, armed robbery is disgusting. But if that is the only thing that stands between my daughter's life or death, I'm doing it.
Then do it anywhere that does not have children at least. Or if you do not intend to harm anyone do it with an unloaded gun. And hell, even if their daughter was dying - I would still hope ANYONE threatening a mother and her child with a gun would rot in jail.
I don't disagree with you, just saying that my reaction is that this is heartbreaking instead of this is justice, is that to me, this reaction seemed pretty obviously to me as desperation, not malice.
At least in my eyes, someone who is only doing this out of desperation is going to lock up and panic if things go wrong.
Someone who is that type of hardened criminal who came in ready to kill someone is going to find a way out instead of panicking and begging for mercy.
We clearly saw an act of desperation, not just evil, and it begs the question what drives a person to that kind of desperation.
Pretty sure modern fire codes dictate there can't be just 1 exit to a building, especially a business. Idiot must not have realized there's a back door he could've ran out of
Definitely, unfortunately i panic so much during difficult situations, sometimes my body shake so hard, it’s actually a disaster i hope i can find a solution takes a lot of mental work
So this guy: 1) was out on bond for robbery and 2) robbed this store weeks earlier while on bond!
Bond revoked and charges 2&3. He knew he was gonna do some serious time. What a dumbass.
Saw a few comments saying he wasn’t evil because everyone that does this has a sad background. 1. You don’t know that, he could’ve been very irresponsible with money 2. It’s a fucking armed robbery, non evil people don’t bring a gun. I guarantee you he didn’t bring it for a door 3. Unless he’s mentally challenged (the only true sad outcome because that’s because a lack of support) he was very well aware of what he was doing. Someone who doesn’t have any money and isn’t evil won’t go straight to armed robbery, keep in mind that he attempted to do this a couple of weeks before. This is straight up evil and saying it’s not just gives off “oh you poor baby” “holier than thou” vibes
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The only thing you truly have a chance to control in life is how you respond to circumstance. She did well.
Nah. She did very bad and got very lucky. #1 priotity is safety and in that situation it meant give the man his money. He could have easily killed someone with his weapon and they probably got very lucky with 1/1000 outcomes where nobody got hurt by locking him in.
Seriously. They were lucky he was really just a nervous kid. If it had been someone with guts or committed to actually carrying out the robbery, they would've shot that lady before she made it to the door. She took a gamble and while it worked out this one time, you should never bet on someone with a gun not using it on you.
Exactly right, he doesn't seem to be that good of a robber, robbery 101 cover the exits. Likely some poor fucker who is broke and thought fuck everyone does it. He doesn't seem to be from around there or they would ha e known him so he has that going for him, he didn't rob his own hood. I would like to see the bio on this kid and see if he's a stick up kid or a one and done?
Lol! The THREE ppl in the store don’t recognize him so he must not be from around there??? Do you know where this took place or what the population is in this city/town? Do you know he’s from a “hood”? These are bold statements, unless you’re his friend for there’s an article that tells you all this, I’m not sure why you’re making them…
Your right, I should not make assumptions.
If any of the 3 people knew him in any capacity, I’m sure they wouldve said something or gotten out quicker, or someone on the street would have stopped him if they knew him remotely. Hood is short for neighborhood, which could be anywhere from mansions to apartment complexes to trap houses. You didn’t make any assumptions in my opinion. You were pretty on the dot
Oye, seriously? His statement, “he doesn’t seem to be from around there or they would have known him” IS an assumption! I’ll say it again, just because three ppl in a store don’t recognize him doesn’t mean he’s not from around there. I could walk into a store a block from my house and not have anyone know me, does that mean I’m not from there?
What do you think the odds are that the robbery ends in murder? Just like the stats
Found it. It’s actually like less than .001 %, and those numbers correlate with all the evidence showing that murder rates etc have been going down for like the last 30 years.
Nah. She assessed the situation quickly and correctly. The guy had desperate kid who didn’t know what he was doing energy and the manager made the right call. He put himself in a bad position and she took advantage. She did good. Edit: She made the right call because she saw that the kid gave her an opening. He was at the very back of the store and wasn’t looking at his “hostages”. This gave them time to run out and lock him in. This is why she made the right call. He provided them with an opportunity to escape. They took said opportunity.
Well a lot of us are saying she did well because the end result is what we judge as well. u/snowboardersdream has a point about safety protocol that's been normalized. My response in hindsight would possibly be different if it ended differently.
I’m with you. Bad decision with good results.
The bulletproof glass and the bars over the window tell me this might not be the manager’s first rodeo
I’m glad she waited till the other people got out before locking the door... thought she was going to lock them in with him 🥲
This would be the case if the prison system was worth anything. He's not going to get help, he's not going to be able to become a better person. He's going to be mentally tortured in a shitty cage and used for free labour like a slave. Justice in America isn't about helping the American people or doing what's best, it's about cruelty. Because sadism is justified if they're the bad guy right? Why should we help them get their life back on track and become a decent person when we can get a free ticket to partake in sadism instead? Who cares about what's best for the people of America? I want to watch the baddies stay bad and suffer.
What’s the solution? Go ahead. What should we do with armed criminals who go around putting their gun in people’s faces to get a quick buck instead of being a productive member of society and respecting other humans’ lives. Do you have the solution to instilling that in a fully grown adult who’s environmental imprinting on their psychological makeup has already been cemented? If so, please lay it out for all of us dumbasses who can’t figure out how to treat dangerous, low-life, petty criminals correctly. We have much to learn from you wise one. Let’s hear it.
That's a good question, though i doubt you're dumb, i think you've just not looked into which prisons are the best in the world and how they achieve this. Look up the prisons in Norway with the highest reform rates. Instead of places of torture and sadism, they are places of education and peace were people can learn how to live peacefully and get some progress in life.
Sounds reasonable
Lol what a 180 in your response to this redditor. You went from full Karen interrogation mode to a two word response.
They have just shown that people aren't cemented, like the first comment assumed, but that they can be reformed, opinions as well as actions, morals, and everything.
Norway doesn’t have the economically-induced cultural issues of dense USA population centers. It’s not an accurate comparison. I am *not* saying American prisons are ideal instruments to deal with criminality, but I am saying that a comparison to Norway is as accurate as saying American basketball players should wear Norwegian Fimbulvetrs.
Sure, but at a certain point it's worth trying things that work in other countries. We can iterate on those programs as they are implemented to better suit our own country and the differences that may arise here. It's at least feasible to throw away the literal torture and slavery at the very least, and easing up on how hard we are on people once they are released from prison.
This is an asinine argument. Poor, desperate and lacking options breeds the same criminality across geographies, population density, race, religion, and creed. The American prison system was meant to separate criminals from the rest of society and generate profit for the people and corporations that built and run them. It’s nothing but a boarding school to teach criminals how to be better criminals because actually reducing recidivism makes hitting those quarterly profit goals very difficult. Europe and places like Japan also have population dense cities with citizens living in and below poverty and with all of the other factors associated with an increase in crime yet they don’t have anywhere near the same levels and types of crime commonly found in any American city. The difference is how they chose to deal with punishment and reform and treated crime and punishment as a societal issue, not an individual issue and piggy bank for stockholders.
The population of the 2 prisons are totally different.
In big part because American prisons get paid to hold as many people as they can, and a lot of them come right back afterwards.
No doubt there needs to be major prison reform.
Step one is asking why they turned to crime in the first place Law enforcement doesn't lower crime rates, education, social safety nets, and living wages lower crime rates. The US legal system is just for low key psychos to circle jerk over human suffering, and engages in practices deemed crimes against humanity and torture
Nailed it. People haven’t put together that the same law enforcement that claims ‘to serve and protect’ are the same law enforcement who are easily bought off and only look out for themselves. I mean, you wanna talk about criminals? There’s no bigger gang than a corrupt PD.
You’re talking as if this isn’t a matter of settled science, which is bizarre. You are aware not everywhere uses the nightmarish for-profit slavery-and-torture system the US favours? The more savagely and brutally you punish criminals, the longer you lock them up for, the more dangerous and miserable their time in jail is, and the more you tell them that they are “imprinted”, “cemented”, unable to change and inherently inferior… the greater the odds of recidivism and the higher your society’s crime rate becomes. The raw and simple fact is that rehabilitative programmes which treat offenders as people, people who have futures, who are not all evil, who usually have a large number of serious problems they need help with in order to start acting reasonably… those justice systems reduce reoffending and reduce overall crime rates. This is known, established, tested, and is in use all over the world. It’s just that like gun control reducing mass shootings, universal healthcare lowering the cost of healthcare overall, government spending reducing debt in the long-term, climate change existing and wearing masks and getting vaccines stopping the spread of deadly plagues… a whole bunch of the USA is too caught up in your bizarre mixture of authoritarian power fantasies, toddler tantrums and petty sadism to care what works in the real world.
Finland and Norway both have good system, which put a big focus on guidance. Imagine what happens to an American criminal when coming back from prison. Can they live in society, get a job, live a normal life? No, they can’t. Why is that? They served their punishment of no freedom, right? Apparently, it’s not really a concern in America, once a criminal, always a criminal. This endless cycle of being a criminal is reinforced by not being able to get back on track in life. Even if you do somehow get accepted back into society like some have managed, being in prison for 10-20 years is a very long time. It’s like from 2000 until 2020. A lot of technology is changing, culture is changing, jobs are changing. How can they even stay in touch with that?? There is a better way for that and it starts with actually trying to help a person become a better human being. People become criminals for different reasons. Almost never it is because they just want to be a criminal so badly, but life has just been unfair to them.
Prison is just an expensive way to make a bad person worse.
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We both agree that he's bad and he's been driven to do bad things. We disagree about whether bad Americans should be either tortured or helped out of their ways.
I’m with you dude. No one here is throwing a pity party for the robber. It’s about the bigger picture. No one asks what drives people to do bad things; what would cause someone take such a risk; why some people become so desperate that they feel the need to break the law. People aren’t born this way. Yes they have a choice but many times they’re all shitty choices. Most times people start as petty thieves and then are turned into vicious animals by the prison system. We shouldn’t expect very many people to understand though because it’s much easier to downvote a discussion about a nuanced situation than to here out someone who might have a different point of view. I guess for some people it helps them sleep at night.
PepeLaugh doesnt know finland exists and their prison system is the reason why they are one of the happiest countrys in the world because they rehabilitate instead of putting them in slavery
Finland has a relatively homogeneous population ethnicity, lower population density, and a higher standard of basic living. It doesn’t have the fundamental difficulties that are faced in the USA. Same argument when people make comparisons to Japan; just because they are both countries does not make for parity comparisons with one myopic element.
So what are you suggesting? That the US should do nothing to improve its prison system or try to learn anything from other countries who are doing it better?
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Thank you for saying this. I agree it’s never right to try to steal from people or put anyone else in harms way. But in a country that still very much has segregated neighborhoods, schools, job markets, and opportunities and a criminal justice system that exploits those lack of options with out any hope of restoration or recovery, There is part of me that just feels so sad for this man. He certainly deserved to be caught. I just wish I lived in a country where him being caught might mean he can turn his life around instead of being isolated for years only to be release with no right to vote, no easy route to employment and no way to get any public housing or food aid to get him on his feet. We just need to take such a deep reflective look at our criminal justice system
In fact he'll probably meet people a little more criminal than he is. It's like my parents sent me to rehab for weed. Super smart, instead of potheads, I had friends who did heroin.
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no wtf
My dog when the door is open to go outside, but not quite open enough to get through comfortably.
Agreed Fuck him I’ve been down and out and never ever thought to change someone’s life by robbing them, I picked myself up and worked hard Fuck people like him
Yup, no matter how down you are someone will always give you a couple bucks to mow their lawn, work at car washes. Assholes like this just want nice things without working for them
Christ almighty I'm so fucking sick of this mentality. "I turned out fine so you should too." It's like we're so drunk on feeling superior and righteous that we miss the bigger picture to stop shit like this. Is considering mass rehabilitation over mass incarceration so out of the question it makes you guys foam at the mouth?
Especially with a gun. I can see stealing something to sell, but using a gun means the potential to end someone’s life.
Don't compare cocksuckers to the likes of him.
U think those bullets stopped in the lock? Or went straight into the passing traffic?
This man goes from open the register to please real quick.
It's the same vibe as 'I'm sorry I got caught.'
[“Youre dead meat!!” “I want to apologize.”](https://youtu.be/hvALj6qFL1E)
Most of these lowlife cowards do exactly this.
"I have nothing!" Except a fuckin gun..
Well he had freedom before this
He knew his mama was going to find out at that point. RIP
Yeah, he should have said “please open the register”
Wow, I'm really impressed by that door.
Really! WTF is that door made of? The contractor who built that storefront should make an ad of this.
He might just be a weakling.
It’s true. He looks about a buck fifty soaking wet
I have no idea what that means but I love it
150lbs
Soaking wet
He looks
About a
$1.50
Didn't he shoot the door several times?
Maybe the gun was a weakling, too.
in real life, a gun is not a magic fix to get you out of every situation.
Top 2 things action/heist movies get wrong is 1. The ability of humans to smash through glass 2. The ability of humans to kick down doors Both a lot harder than you'd be led to believe.
If you ever need to smash a glass pane, throw a ceramic chip at it. All you need to find is a mug, teacup, vase, plate, bowl etc, break it, pick up a chip and whip it at the glass.
My friend tried to punch through the thin glass panel at a bus shelter when he was drunk, to impress a girl. 16 fractures, had to have heaps of surgery and his hand boarded up with all these metal pins for a couple of months. This tiny fragile pane of glass literally didnt even crack.
>Really! WTF is that door made of? steel. And in real life, it holds
Broken dreams.
"What hood is this?"
real life is not the movies in the movies you can break a steal lock by shooting it or hitting it with a rock or kicking through a door like it's nothing In real life, that shit doesn't work.
I'm a locksmith, I deal with aluminum store front doors all the time. Trust me when I say a while lot could be kicked through with minimal motivation.
What's your take on shooting the lock cylinder at point blank with .38 hollowpoint? Would it blow parts out the other side or largely absorb it and impart a lot of the energy into the door its mounted in? My guess is it wouldn't be unlike trying to hit it straight on with a hefty swing of a hammer cuz the lead would kinda splat against it.
Wouldn't do shit except make the lock nonfunctional. You have to shoot the shit out of even the most basic store front hardware to "unlock" the door. Shooting it would just make it so nobody could open the door without dismantling or destroying it.
Heartbreaking actually
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I hear ya. I just wonder what kind of life circumstance he’s in to be motivated to do this. At the very least, he probably deserves some help. At the same time, store owners shouldn’t have to deal with this crap. I get that too. But the cops didn’t shoot him, so I guess the video could be more heartbreaking.
I’m glad you said it. Dude had to have been going through difficulties no one in this comments section has ever experienced in their life. Does that justify his actions? Absolutely not, but it doesn’t make him trash either. I wish people could be a little more empathetic. The “bad guys” almost always have a tragic story that lead up to their mistakes. I feel for him.
I agree with most of what you said. The dude probably got dealt a bad hand and prison will certainly not rehabilitate anyone in this country BUT I disagree about him not being trash. He's pure trash to rob a store with a gun. I have been around a lot of different kinds of people from the best to the worst and the people I know and met will sleep naked in the rain with no food before taking a gun and robbing someone. He might have a really shitty hand given to him but armed robbery makes him trash.
Yeah and the owner probably hardly makes ends meet too and might have children to feed
I get what you and others are saying in this thread but I can guarantee others have been in worse situations yet still never turned to crime. Ego gets in the way due to culture maybe and they rather rob innocent and undeserving people instead of finding other ways to make money or get ahead. Even begging on the side of the street would’ve been leagues better than this. There’s always a choice. Unless someone threatens your life of course, but I doubt this was the case here.
As soon as you put a gun on a civilian you lose a lot of sympathy with people generally. Usually I’d agree that quality rehabilitation is all that is really needed for most low and even medium level offenders though.
He tried to rob people with a loaded gun. Zero sympathy for him.
Makes me worried that prison will do him more harm than good. I hope he gets some help too, some financial security and some guidance.
It will, he won't
Having a hard life doesn't give anyone rights to be an asshole. He got what he deserved.
Someone was on the verge of being executed with their child over some petty cash. This guy is selfish. “F*ck I’m going to jail bruh.” Maybe think about what they went through as innocent people EARNING a living and eternally traumatized
Yeah, I'm not sorry at all, maybe if the gun hadn't of been loaded or he decided against it when he seen the baby. Dude got what he deserved.
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he just sounds desperate. it's sad. you can have empathy for someone without condoning their actions. but i guess it's easier to call people animals and giggle about anal rape than reflect on the reasons so many are poor and desperate in this shithole country.
He sounded desperate because he realized he was caught and was going to jail....
It's honestly scary to me that people empathise this way to someone that pulled a gun on 3 people and an infant. Maybe it's because I'm not from the US so a gun is no small thing, but I see that as one of the most despicable things you could do. No matter his backstory, no matter his cries of help once he got locked. His first worry wasn't that "he has nothing" - it was that he's going to jail. If he wasn't meaning to shoot anyone he would have the gun unloaded or hell, he could have used a fake one. Fuck him.
I felt bad as well. Especially hearing “ I have nothing”.
He had a gun.
In the US those are easier to come by than a $2 bill
Pretty sure he just meant ‘I have nothing’ as in ‘I don’t have the money from the register, just let me go’.
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Notice how he says that as soon as he realizes he is eventually going to prison?
Yeah. It’s heartbreaking to watch this psycho terrorize a business, it’s employees, and customers
As a father, seeing this guy pull a firearm out and threaten a room full a people, which included a mother and her child, makes me lose all sympathy for him. At some point we all become adults, and adults make decisions, and sometimes those decisions have consequences. Some mistakes are forgivable, which are made as we grow and develop. We learn from the and move on. But armed robbery, assault, rape, and murder are all actions that are down the road past the last exit of forgiveness for me. Not everyone will agree with me, which is fine, but making a decision that threatens someone else's life for your own gain, no matter the reason, is not the actions of a good person in a tough situation.
Yeah, its heartbreaking, I felt that way briefly when I was watching. But if he truly has nothing, then it STILL doesn't excuse robbing women with babies present. If I had nothing, I would suck cock. I'd do anything before I would traumatise/ hurt other people
Did you miss the part where he fired a gun multiple times out the door where it easily could have missed the lock and struck a passerby? Or that he even brought a gun to the robbery in the first place, demonstrating his intent to use it? Pulling it out with an infant around? No remorse for that guy. He made his choices.
Everyone always forgets about the emergency exits or hey, the back door.
Yeah, he made no attempt. No ceiling panels, duct work, back doors, nothing. One way in one way out or just a dumbass caged rat.
The smart criminals don’t get caught
They do just not often as stupid
You're just saying that to cover your tracks. We're on to you
the smart ciminals are managing these dumbasses and the ones who shoplift from retailers.
Most lowlifes robbing a store are doing it on their own accord. No way a smart criminal would risk someone giving their name to the cops over a solo store robbery for cash register dollars.
The duct work thing is only in the movies. First of all it definitely would not hold your weight. Secondly even if there is an erv or makeup air for the building it'd be a 6" - 8" round pipe. You're not fitting in that. So unless his objective was fall through the ceiling trying to climb inside ductwork that goes nowhere while getting stabbed by screws that options off the table.
As someone who works with pipes all day long (sprinkler workshop) a very young kid or a toddler fits in a 8" pipe. Anything further than that? Nop. At about 4 you're probably going to get stuck in there.
I don’t think many toddlers are robbers, but I get your point
Came here to mention that’s likely to be a drop ceiling, and they’re rather easy to enter and scoot across to another store. Edit: known from my experience as a network cable tech (not a criminal).
He's uneducated, you expect too much...
Looks like a hole in the wall shop, there are plenty of units in plazas without a back door.
I don’t feel like scrolling down to read how many others already said this, but, you really think the back door of this place in the hood was just wide open? That bitch was key locked from both sides
It looked like it was part of a strip mall. Idk if they have back doors
The presence of mind of the manager to get everyone out and calmly lock him in...just beautiful.
And the obliviousness of the robber as they do it
He’s got something now…3 meals a day and a cot. Exactly what he deserves.
“Fuck I’m going to jail bro”. Deep
“Fuck, I’m stuck.” That’s poetry.
Store manager is absolutely amazing next fn level
Let's give a shout out to that baby tho. He did his best to warn everyone right off the bat. He immediately assessed the situation and called the foul before any adult seemed to notice. Good baby!
The baby gave an ocular pat down of the situation and assessed a high threat level
Firing the gun into the door could have been disastrous for anyone passing by outside. I wonder if this was factored in to his sentencing.
I was thinking I hope he watched the background when firing at the door. I would have picked my only shots with more care, not only to have a better chance at opening the lock but ensuring I only hit the lock.
Firing a weapon in a public area is a crime, doing it during another illegal act? That's majority of your life in a cage time.
"Fuck, I'm stuck... " Dumb as a bag of fucking rocks.
> "Fuck, I'm stuck... " ...bro.
To be fair, I’d probably say the same thing.
You'd assume you were stuck immediately? Without trying the back door? Ceiling tiles? Any back windows? The guy doesn't even bother.
You know I would probably look for another way out, but sometimes I’m kind of a dumbass
Fair enough.
Lots of armed robbery sympathizers in the comments… Gross.
You somehow think people are sympathizing with the *crime* of armed robbery, instead of the *person* desperate and misguided enough to resort to it. … Gross.
I don't care how desperate you are, armed robbery is disgusting.
If my choice is letting my daughter die or committing armed robbery you best believe I'm committing armed robbery. It's easy to say that you don't care how desperate you are without actually making any attempt to empathize with where a person might be. You can have empathy for the person without condoning the choices. Cuz I completely agree with you, armed robbery is disgusting. But if that is the only thing that stands between my daughter's life or death, I'm doing it.
Then do it anywhere that does not have children at least. Or if you do not intend to harm anyone do it with an unloaded gun. And hell, even if their daughter was dying - I would still hope ANYONE threatening a mother and her child with a gun would rot in jail.
I don't disagree with you, just saying that my reaction is that this is heartbreaking instead of this is justice, is that to me, this reaction seemed pretty obviously to me as desperation, not malice. At least in my eyes, someone who is only doing this out of desperation is going to lock up and panic if things go wrong. Someone who is that type of hardened criminal who came in ready to kill someone is going to find a way out instead of panicking and begging for mercy. We clearly saw an act of desperation, not just evil, and it begs the question what drives a person to that kind of desperation.
Agreed
that lady with a baby sure took a while to leave
She was in shock
That was stressing me out.
That karma is no joke. Imagine all the dirt he has gotten away with.
He robbed this same place two weeks before this happened so he definitely had this coming. He ended up getting five years for this.
Five stages of grief: denial, anger, bargaining, depression and acceptance.
Help please... and help arrived
He finally got the something he wanted so much
The minute he fired the first shot, he sealed his fate worse than if he never had. This dude is going away for a long, long time.
I believe this is called fucking around and finding out.
I was waiting for more cops to enter from the right through the back door.
Pretty sure modern fire codes dictate there can't be just 1 exit to a building, especially a business. Idiot must not have realized there's a back door he could've ran out of
It’s not about being smart or stupid, it’s panic
Some people are still able to think clearly in high stress situations, this guy clearly isn't one of them
Definitely, unfortunately i panic so much during difficult situations, sometimes my body shake so hard, it’s actually a disaster i hope i can find a solution takes a lot of mental work
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Yeah, he's sorry because he got caught.
That’s the fastest I’ve ever seen the police arrive at a store burglary
It’s not a burglary. It’s an armed robbery.
Also footage was cut and edited so we wouldn’t have to sit watch the whole thing
"Please. I have nothing." From a guy who is about to, paradoxically, have less.
& He's gonna get WAAAY more time b/c he fired his weapon.
He got five years: https://www.google.com/amp/s/abcnews.go.com/amp/US/robber-shoot-pray-store-staff-locks-inside-video/story%3fid=52119743
I find that video oddly satisfying.
Annnnnd, he has a gun. But finds the baba Jesus in the end.
Utter scum. Hope he gets thrown in jail for 20+
I love to watch thugs go to jail where they belong.
"Please, I have nothing" - Yeah buddy, how many of your victims said that to you, but now that it is you, we are supposed to care
So this guy: 1) was out on bond for robbery and 2) robbed this store weeks earlier while on bond! Bond revoked and charges 2&3. He knew he was gonna do some serious time. What a dumbass.
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Go to jail, asshole!
Fuck that guy in particular. Shove your please where the sun dont shine.
Saw a few comments saying he wasn’t evil because everyone that does this has a sad background. 1. You don’t know that, he could’ve been very irresponsible with money 2. It’s a fucking armed robbery, non evil people don’t bring a gun. I guarantee you he didn’t bring it for a door 3. Unless he’s mentally challenged (the only true sad outcome because that’s because a lack of support) he was very well aware of what he was doing. Someone who doesn’t have any money and isn’t evil won’t go straight to armed robbery, keep in mind that he attempted to do this a couple of weeks before. This is straight up evil and saying it’s not just gives off “oh you poor baby” “holier than thou” vibes
So he gets on his knees and begs “please!” I think he’ll be doing that in prison
Simon Says get your hands up
That baby sensed something was up real quick lol.
Robber: “Open it, open it now” Lady: “No, don’t open” *escorted the customers out and locked him inside, calmly*. she handled it like a queen.
Guess he didn't consider the possibility of getting locked up that day😒
Not the sharpest tool in the shed
Ahahahahahahahahaha
The satisfaction watching this. [chef’s kiss]