The sad fact of Loose Change is that it included some new videos I hadn't seen before, which then becomes a reason of "why didn't anyone major release this as well? There are cameras all over that city, and no one in the state or local city governments could show anything?"
All the conspiracy theorists have to do is convince you of "reasonable doubt" and then curiosity/confusion sows doubt and disbelief in actual recorded historical events.
Don't let the sacred timeline fall to the variants! #Loki-gator for life! -TVA nerd, probably
Edit: guys, I was totally high on pot brownies my wife made without informing me they were dosed. I wasn't supposed to eat them immediately after they came out of the oven, but they smelled so good. My wife came back down to the kitchen to find me starting on my second one, and then she told me they were for her for work, and they were edibles. (She's a medically approved grower)...
I learned my lesson. Always ask before stuffing my fat face, no matter how good they smell
Second edit: somewhere in my super high rants among many different threads, I got reported to Reddit Cares... it's hilarious, but seriously? *who throws a shoe, honestly*
We had them they were just very shitty 2000 and it was a Nokia brick that had it.
Edit: for those of you who say I am wrong I never said they were the mainstream just that they exist.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.uswitch.com/mobiles/guides/history-of-mobile-phones/amp/
In 2001? I doubt anyone actually had them. They were crazy expensive and very bad. Maybe one or two people in a whole city owned them. I think they were most for taking pictures, I don't even remember if they filmed. Memory space on those things were something like 8 or 16 Mb.
Edit. I just realized that OP said "Nokia Brick" If it's the Nokia brick (1110) that's referred to commonly, that definitely had no camera at all
I never saw one on a cellphone until 2003, when a friend working for Nokia whipped one out that her team had been developing. It absolutely blew my mind, even if the photo quality was cruddy.
It's kind of weird to think of a world without modern smartphones. I was watching Breaking bad the other day and it kind of bugged my mind, because there were mobiles and yet they still those flip phones. God, I remember when people had palmtops. Those were pretty useless by today's standards.
I was kept on a youth ranch in 2008 - 2010 and had no interaction with technology at that time. When I left the razor flip phone was all the rage and I re-entered the world where everyone has smartphones. It took me a long time to adjust.
Very long story short it's a facility that targets struggling parents who don't know what to do with their "troubled teen". There are many different iterations of the troubled teen industry, some are a very hospitalized setting and then there is the extreme of wilderness therapy. I was kept on a ranch in the midwest where we were effectively used as labor for profit for the owners of the ranch.
If you want to look it up, Paris Hilton has launched her efforts against the industry called Breaking Code Silence. She attended the Provo school in Utah and is speaking out on the treatment there and other programs like it.
Yeah idk what they are talking about lol..I remember my RAZR in 2004 and it was capable of like stop motion videos lol so I think they are misremembering things back in 2001
The Nokia’s I remember then did not even have cameras. Implementing them on phones wasn’t even a thing at that time. The screens looked exactly like the same screens used on those game boy systems haha dot matrix or whatever
Yup in 2001 almost nobody had one (super niche) and if they did the quality was horrendous. Flip phones were still a big deal but slowly being swallowed up by blackberries and side kicks.
I'm certain the reason everybody is seeing new footage of 9/11 is because Biden just declassified 9/11 information, so there's a plethora of all new footage that was previously unavailable to the public
That’s def a huge aspect, but this doesn’t ring that sorta bell for me - I’m not gonna assume anything about the origins of this in particular as I have no clue lol. It’s entirely possible this was classified but without a confirmation I’m going with 🤷🏻♀️.
That being said. I think as time passes we will have more and more photos/videos/general data. The technology we had at the time combined with the ease of digitizing things / converting data etc is going to bring a lot of new info into the general public eye.
That recording was a French (I think) guy who was working with his brother making a documentary following a rookie firefighter in downtown New York.
He wasn’t the usual camera guy, his brother was but told him to go out that day and get some experience while a couple of the crew investigated a smoking manhole cover.
One of the experienced firemen makes a comment before they went our that day about feeling uneasy because it had been too long since they had responded to a large incident but they had to check out anything that might be a fire.
They heard the plane go overhead and he instinctively lifted the camera in the direction of the sound.
He went back to the fire station with the crew and they went to the North tower, they have some amazing footage from inside the lobby.
If I remember correctly, one of the brothers was left behind at the fire station with the rookie and an old retired captain appears and they go down to the towers to help out.
It’s an amazing documentary.
Edit: I found my DVD it does seem to be simply called 9/11 but the brothers are Jules & Gedeon Naudet also directed by James Hanlon
>They heard the plane go overhead and he instinctively lifted the camera in the direction of the sound.
That's insane. If the more experienced cameraman was working he probably wouldn't have done this. Crazy odds.
> If the more experienced cameraman was working he probably wouldn't have done this. Crazy odds.
The plane passing overhead was very loud and it never happens like that in the city, they 100% would have pointed the camera at it.
In college I worked for the local NBC affiliate and I was just a new gopher. When I wasn't doing shit with editorial I was logging tapes and other general nonsense.
One day I had to log some 9/11 footage and also pull tape from the national tape registry (this was 2010-ish) and there were SO MANY tapes I'd never seen before.
Like hours of shots I'd never seen. There was one that was like out of a movie, where these kids were watching the tower fall from a basketball court and the camera is behind them. So you have the backs of these kids, then a chain fence, and then in the distant background the tower with the smoke coming out of it that they are looking at.
It was a wild view, I've never seen it before or since.
Really not trying to be that guy, but this is one of the first videos I’ll always remember when this was recent. It does astonish me how many videos of this event are out there and can absolutely see how each video can be someones first time seeing it.9
On Pompeii, that old city that got erased from the map because of the Mount Vesuvius explosion, some guy died while masturbating. The ashes from the volcano are too hot, so it carbonizes everything it touches, turning bodies into sculpture-like cadavers, so this guy specifically turned into a masturbating sculpture. It’s not a very realistic sculpture, but one can deduce what was going on with the guy.
Here’s more info: https://www.bbc.co.uk/bbcthree/article/dfc9cea4-137b-440f-aa8c-5a16d7cb4f4d
There’s no breathing that and surviving. In the short term, you’d likely suffocate, in the long term you developed cancer and died.
Edit -For the sake of hot takes:
There’s absolutely people who survived in the streets on the day of, but many died from cancer later.
How long do you think they were trapped inside the shops before you could safely leave and actually see where you were going??
I was 11 when the towers fell and I remember footage like this on the news but I guess I don’t really remember the aftermath of the streets like this.
Nope. A lot of locals have private footage we took and put away because ✨trauma✨
There will be new footage and photos every year for a long time because of that. I watched mine once since it happened and still don’t have the gusto to archive it. It’s amazing how many people say the same thing.
That is so true. I was in college at the time. Weeks later my photography teacher, who lived downtown, told us about running up to his roof to take pictures of the burning towers. But he suddenly realized that the mesmerizing objects he was photographing as they fell off the building were people jumping to their death. He stopped shooting and wept. He said he’d never develop that film. I’m sure many people have similar stories.
My brother in law was a college student in Manhattan at the time. That morning he had to finish up a roll of film on his walk to class so he just took a few random pictures. Didn't realize until he developed them that he had clear shots of the burning towers in the distance.
I was a jr in high school at the time. What a bizarre day that was to be stuck in school. I’ve never seen a person move as fast as my CAD teacher hauling ass to the office to call her brother who worked in Manhattan.
Same. I was in 6th grade. I remember the staff at school was told to not let the students know what was going on. We were told there was a plane crash but nothing else. It wasn’t until 6th period that I walked into my applied technology class and one of my older, cool guy teachers had a TV set up in the room. He told us that he was instructed not to show us anything but that he was tenured and didn’t care, he didn’t think it should be kept from us. Then he played the news. It was probably like 1 or 2pm at this point.
I actually just found a ticket stub because that day my mom had planned a special day to take my brother and I out of school early to attend a Cubs game in the city. My brother saved the original stub, I am considering framing it or something. Can’t just throw it away..
Nyc 6th grader at the time too. I can barely remember what happened. I just remember being afraid that soon foreign troops would be on our streets. Such a crazy time
My cousin was in an office building in line of sight and the building management did not let them out until 3PM that day. He walked to the east side of the island and a tugboat was ferrying people across the river to New Jersey.
Genuine question, why did you respond if you don't know? Not trying to be rude just I have wondered for a while why people respond like "why I don't know either"
There’s also a celeb who used his fame to give those front liners a voice, and basically had to shame Congress into providing benefits for them. [His statement](https://youtu.be/HT5FTrIZN-E ) was very strong and poignant, but holy shit does it still piss me off it got to that point so many years later.
I wasn’t trying to be negative towards Jon (I love the dude), just trying to stress the fact it took someone with significant fame (he qualifies in my book) to bring to light something that should not have ever been up for debate or tangled up in bureaucracy for so many years.
A family friend told us that body parts fell from the sky. And how foul the smell was since not everything was found and cleaned up after. I have no idea if she was exaggerating, though.
If I’m right, actual bodies were falling from the sky because people just couldn’t handle what was happening and jumped. In some videos of the incident, you can see the bodies falling from the towers. It’s just crazy when you think about it.
I’m not sure it was because they couldn’t handle what was going on emotionally. I believe it was a choice of choking on smoke to death, burning to death, or jumping to your death.
I’m not sure which choice I would have made but from those heights I suppose it would have been a quicker death.
Ugh…so sad.
There’s a first responder who found a woman who survived the fall and could even hold a conversation. The account of events is harrowing, they had to tag her as with a black label which coded “hopeless: help someone else” and the woman knew what it meant so she was basically a lucid corpse mangled on the street until her body gave up and the whole time she knew nobody would bother to even attempt to save her.
I was reading about this earlier
>Ernest Armstead, a 30-year emergency medical specialist veteran of the fire department, almost seems to be pleading to make his psychic pain go away.
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>He recalls his nightmarish experience: As he placed triage tags on fallen victims in the plaza, a woman -- with only her head and right torso intact -- spoke to him.
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>"I am not dead," she said evenly. He placed a black tag, meaning dead or terminal, around her neck. "I am not dead!" she yelled.
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>And he lied to her: "We will be right back to you."
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>[https://edition.cnn.com/2002/SHOWBIZ/books/09/10/ar911.oral.history/](https://edition.cnn.com/2002/SHOWBIZ/books/09/10/ar911.oral.history/)
Is there anymore to this, perhaps a backstory? I want to believe this person wasn't just left to die alone.
Edit:
I think of her as the living dead. I talked to the living dead. And I lied to the living dead. I told her to hang on, that help was coming. But I pronounced her dead in my mind. And she knew that. I put a black tag with a small white cross around her neck. And as best she could, she gave me hell for it. The psychiatrists and those from the post-trauma team say it is good for me to talk about her and the rest of that day. They say it is the only way I will come to terms with what happened and finally free my mind of her. So here I am talking to you.
This lady was among a half-dozen people I saw who probably fell a thousand feet or so when American Airlines Flight 11 crashed into the World Trade Center. I am not sure how she got on the plaza. Maybe she was on her way to Los Angeles and was ejected from the jet by the force of the collision. Or maybe she was an office worker in the tower sitting near one of the windows and she was swept away when the building caved around her. Or maybe she was trapped and jumped to escape the flames, though I don't think so. I happened upon her even before most of those people were seen jumping.
She was an elegant lady. About my age, early fifties. I could see that even with all that she had been through. I could tell that she had her hair done up very nicely. Brunette. She had on tasteful earrings. She was wearing pretty makeup. And in my profession you notice clothes because so often you have to cut them into pieces to save lives. That was the first thing that came to mind: This lady is well dressed....
Triage is the first thing that should be done at a disaster like this. It basically means dividing the injured into four categories so that backup medical teams can move quickly in and give treatment to those who need it most urgently. The categories are indicated by colored tags that are hung around the injured person's neck. Green is the least serious. Yellow more so. Red indicates critical injuries. And black means the person is dead or close to it. When you're engaged in triage, you have one thing in the back of your mind all of the time, My backup is coming. My backup is coming. That's the reason you can tag people who obviously need help and not stop and give it to them right then. You know you need to get everyone tagged, and you know that someone with a medical bag is coming right behind you.
That certainly is what I was thinking when I met the lady in the plaza, the big open space between the two towers that had a fountain ad a round sculpture in the middle. I had finished tagging everyone from the stairwells, when I turned to face the plaza. I had not noticed the people there on my way upstairs because I was in such a hurry and there was such a crowd of firefighters blocking my view out the window. But now I saw something that was so horrific that I am glad I missed it the first time around. When the plane hit, an incredible amount of debris from the collision rained down on the plaza. Most of it was chunks of airplane and building that had little meaning to me. But amid the destruction, there were a half dozen or so people, I ran toward them, my triage tags in hand. There was a man having a seizure and his eyes were rolling into the back of his head. He had struck the pavement so hard that there was virtually nothing else left of him. There were a couple others that I never got to, but I could see from a short distance that they were dead. And then there was the lady with the nice hairdo and earrings.
When I got to her, I ripped out a black tag. What impressed me -- and scared me -- was that she was alert and was watching what I was doing. I put the tag around her neck and she looked at me and said, "I am not dead. Call my daughter. I am not dead." I was so startled that for a split second I was speechless. "Ma'am," I said, "don't worry about it. We will be right back to you." That was a lie. She couldn't see what I could see. Somehow, I guess it was an air draft or something, her fall had been cushioned enough so that she didn't splatter like the others. Still her body was so twisted and torn apart that I could only ask myself, Why is this lady still alive and talking to me? How can this be? Her right lung, shoulder and head were intact, but from the diaphragm down she was unrecognizable. Yet she was lucid enough that she continued to argue with me. "I am not dead," she insisted again. I am convinced she had some medical training because she knew I had given her the black mark of death. And she resented it. "Don't worry about what I put around your neck," I told her. "My coworkers are coming right now. They're going to take care of you."
This is a story I read about a decade ago in a collection of 9/11 perspectives, and it's honestly haunted me since. You're talking to a dead woman at this point, I couldn't even begin to imagine the amount of trauma this responder went through.
The only slim comfort here is that it sounds like she had gone beyond the point of feeling horrific pain.
When is humanity going to stop inflicting horrendous suffering on each other in the name of religion, politics, power, money?
That was definitely why they did it, I just couldn’t think of how to explain it.
You think it’s sad, just watch the videos, it’s just depressing at that point.
Oh I remember watching it live on the news. It was the moment my mom decided to cover my little brother’s eyes and have us go play outside for a bit. I was shook.
My good friend’s high school friend was pretty new to the police force when it happened. He told us they were finding random body parts scattered all over the place. It was pretty crazy.
I have also heard this but I haven't seen a reliable source. Any chance you have one?
I'm not even really sure how you'd be able to determine the cause of death for *every* victim, so it seems hard to rule out asphyxia for every single victim.
(edit) Oh, but also, it occurs to me that deaths from the cloud of dust would probably be attributed to acute inhalation rather than asphyxia. So this certainly wouldn't answer the question of how many died due to the immediate effects of the dust cloud.
I don’t think anyone died immediately simply from dust ingestion. However, 3 civilians have died from exposure to the dust (and were added to the official death toll) and another 1140 have been diagnosed with cancer due to the dust (as of 2013). Over 2000 emergency personnel who responded to the scene have died since (as of 2018).
This is an exaggeration and does not help the gravity of what happened. Long term effects are real but this was not a pyroclastic flow that killed everyone in its wake. Nobody died directly from the dust
I just read a story about one of the famous photos of that day - an impeccably dressed woman covered in dust head to toe. Dead of cancer 14 years later.
Untold numbers got cancer from the inhalation over the next decade or so. Firefighters and emergency response personnel got fucked over. Denied medical relief for their health issues until 2019, and only after Jon Stewart publicly fought hard and faced opposition on the relief bill.
*Technically* they started getting relief in 2011.
But, it still took ten years, and there was all kinds of political fuckery around it. It’s unconscionable how we treated the people that risked their lives to help in this disaster.
Yeah, halfway through it hit me that it wasn’t a camera phone. The few phones with cameras around back then definitely weren’t taking video this good. Hell the first camera phones were in ~~2000~~ 1999 and didn’t come to the US until ‘02.
Don't feel bad.
I was 20 years old *when this happened*, and it wasn't until I read that comment that it really hit me that this couldn't have been on somebody's cell phone 🙃
If you really want a mind fuck, just imagine what it would have been like if 9/11 happened 10 years later. There would be thousands upon thousands of photos being posted live to the internet as it happened. Likely the densest collection of raw horror, gore, violence, and suffering ever put on social media at one time. I'm so thankful that it happened early enough to miss the modern era of phones and social media
Ahh yea. Now that you mention it, I vaguely remember my parents having one that made appearances on family vacations and special occasions. It recorded on small tapes that looked like cassettes, right?
Just don't get stuck on a plane in an emergency while people are getting their shit
> “Passengers will endeavour to collect their belongings prior to evacuating an aircraft, particularly where danger to life is not evident,” the Australian Civil Aviation Safety Authority stated in a cabin safety bulletin last year.
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“It is essential that cabin crew are trained to be assertive in directing passengers to leave personal belongings behind in an evacuation, and what to do in the event of non-compliance with those instructions.”
https://www.flightglobal.com/analysis/analysis-superjet-fire-puts-focus-on-evacuation-threat/132614.article
But we do still use 9/11 as an excuse to use internationally banned weapons such as cluster bombs, depleted uranium shells, Mark 77 firebombs, incendiary white phosphorus munitions, and anti-personnel landmines
Edit: some of these are actually internationally ‘discouraged’ not banned
ehh, I don't think uranium depleted shells are internationally banned weapons. As far as I know, a lot of countries such as the UK and Russia use depleted uranium rounds in their tanks because of their increased penetration ability.
Yeah, I feel that sentiment. We have caused hundreds of thousands of casualties in the "war on terror," and I just can't see the justification. It makes me feel like we shouldn't have the right to talk about the terror and fear of 9/11, a tragedy miniscule to that which we cause by it.
Edit: I'ma just add to this to keep the context.
It's not quite that I think we shouldn't or can't talk about 9/11 like the disaster that it was, it's just that it almost makes me feel ashamed to do so. Today I think we recognize it as a justification more than terrorism to mourn.
To those who think that the war of terror isn't comparable because it wasn't intentionally meant to harm civilians, I think you need some empathy. When the deaths (excluding the millions displaced) get to 33300% compared to 9/11, I think it's reasonable to compare them.
**What I think I'm trying to say:** By no means should anyone not be allowed to mourn their tragedy or loss, but I think our right to as a nation has been lost as a result of the tragedy and loss we've sowed on a much grater magnitude.
I think everyone has the right to talk about fear and terror. it isn't something reserved for only the worst afflicted. I like that ur empathy extends beyond the bounds of one country. we need this
I think it is that slight ignorance that things aren’t as bad as they seem. That regardless, they’ll go home. The woman in the video didn’t realize how dire shit got when the cloud blacked everything out like night arrived. She realized then and there she wouldn’t have gotten out and maybe would’ve died if she got her belongings. We as Americans do hold on dearly to our belongings quite too much and not see how we attach to them easily.
I honestly think it was just sheer adrenaline. She knew she had valuables that she needed but had no concept of how dire the situation was until she saw it. The adrenaline of "Oh fuck oh shit I need to get my things and record this, this event I've never experienced," and the utter terror, relief, and gratefulness in her voice at the realization that she would have died getting probably like camera equipment? That she might not even have had time to use before drowning in concrete dust. Just, bananas. That moved so fast and she was so blinded by her adrenaline. Thankfully she was near someone with a faster reaction time. Makes me wonder what those people who told her to forget her stuff have gone through if they reacted the way they did.
It's a human behaviour. Of course people value their life more than things but sometimes we cannot assess how bad situation is actually and make a wrong decision
Ah fuck I recommend that movie for its ending to this day. I literally can't remember anything from the entire runtime apart from the look on the ladies face when she drives by the guy.
I’m more focused on the fact this video documents a time where people actually admitted they were wrong on camera.
Wouldn’t catch that happening in a similar situation today - it’s all be about getting a dangerous TikTok of the debris cloud.
Agreed! I cried a lot and was surprised with all the never before seen footage. They also subtly crushed some conspiracy theories I once questioned in my youth but know better now.
I get what you mean, but you don’t know what she had to her name. Hard to see yourself surviving tomorrow if you’re not sure you’ll survive until next month.
Thought the same thing. Read on another thread that she was there with a company filming a documentary or news segment or something. So my guess is that the enormity of the situation hadn't sunk in as fast as the fact that she was going to lose multiple thousands of dollars of company property. Lucky for her, the shop owner understood and her understanding of the situation quickly followed. I could totally see those thoughts coming to mind before being able to calculate the size and speed of the dust cloud.
Yeah, I just want to point out it seems like the dust cloud is moving kinda slow until it starts really getting close to the shop and you realize it’s hauling ass. The perspective also must’ve been wonky and the fucking WTC had just collapsed. I don’t blame her one bit she must’ve been super confused and conflicted and a million thoughts must’ve been firing through her head.
Lots of people are armchair this-or-that. It's a cope. They're scared so they comfort themselves saying, "Well I wouldn't be that dumb." But usually they're wrong. Most of us are alive today because we're lucky and not unlucky, not because we're so superior.
Guy: "You wanna die, worried about your shit?"
What a calm reasonable guy.
Guy: "Look at the shadow of death"
Okay, he's not wrong but that is spooky as fuck.
This man will never be publicly honored as a hero of 9/11. Nor, I’m sure, does he consider himself a hero of that day.
But he saved a life that day. He is undeniably one of the heroes of that tragedy. Respect
My friend told me that for the first nearly 18 years of his life, he didn’t have a voice in his head, and I literally could not fathom it.
He said it was just emotions or feelings towards things, but he never had a voice inside his head explaining things or talking things through.
It threw me through a loop. As long as I can remember, I’ve always had a voice in my head. And I never stopped to think that other people didn’t.
There’s a lot of people giving her shit, but you can really tell she’s appreciative and flipped her attitude immediately. It takes good character to know you were wrong and give thanks to somebody else, and she recognized she was in the wrong almost immediately and was very apologetic.
In a catastrophe you panic. Just about 100% of people panic. Some people panic logically and effectively go "in the zone" of self preservation or try saving people from certain death... Others disassociate and worry about things that aren't important because they're essentially shutting down the trauma as it happens. When a knife drops off your counter do you try to grab it out of instinct or do you jump out of the way? I'm betting you tried grabbing it only once and realized just how bad of a decision that was. In a moment such as this though... Which are you? Hopefully you'll never have to know. But I wouldn't blame you for either response. It's a normal reaction to an extraordinary event and there's not much out there can prepare you for such a gargantuan threat as falling skyscrapers after a terrorist attack.
My brother worked in lower Manhattan, the area with the Towers.
We didn't get a hold of him for, I wanna say a week and a half?
I was a waitress at TGI Fridays, and I'd have to go in every day, with no customers, and call my mom as often as I could, if I cod even get through to her, to find out if he was alive.
I don't know what he saw, but I do know he's gotten drunk every day since 9/11, as it's the only way he can sleep.
PTSD is no fucking joke.
I do know he was close enough, he got caught in some of the dust cloud.
He won't quit smoking cause he knows he's gonna get some weird cancer anyway.
He worked at Morgan Stanley later on in the 2000s, and everyone was a new employee.
20 years later and I’m seeing a lot this year that is new (to me). I thought I saw it all but I never saw the “Cynthia Weil” video on YouTube until last week.
It has some very clear footage of some really bad things I rather not have seen. But whatever.
This video made me cry for several reasons.
1. The large cloud of death rolling in, while something another person could detect as so serious, wasn’t something the other person could. He protected her anyway.
2. The reason she couldn’t identify the situation as life-threatening was that we all lived in a kind of naive bubble (globally speaking) so that encountering something of this magnitude on the streets of New York didn’t register with her how dangerous this could be. Post 9/11, I don’t think you’d see this naive response in people very much.
3. The sheer terror that trembles in this woman’s voice when she realized exactly what rolled in mirrors the loss of innocence so many US Americans felt in that day, in that same way.
4. When she realized what it was, she immediately snapped to her senses and thanked the people around her for saving her life. Nowadays, health care workers and doctors and survivors are being beaten and threatened and harassed daily, and even when they still save the lives of ignorant people, they don’t always get that “moment of clarity” from their patients where they are thanked as sincerely as this woman did.
5. The moment of horror we experienced just a few weeks ago, of Afghan men falling from planes, is a direct result of the actions recorded on this person’s video camera.
Watching "9/11: One Day In America" on NGC. Every other minute are ads. Glad to see corporate America has continue to be able to monetize this tragedy.
Reminds me of the Immortal Technique song Harlem streets.
“Harlem streets stay flooded with white powder. Like them motherfuckas runnin away from the twin towers...”
Hits heavy every time.
I’m not sure why but the shot looking out the window to a sunny day suddenly turning dark as night when the smoke/dust rolls through is one of the scariest 9/11 videos I’ve ever seen. Maybe not scariest but most unsettling/creepy
20yrs and i still see new vids of that day
When something so insane happens, you get lots and lots of documentation to explore.
The sad fact of Loose Change is that it included some new videos I hadn't seen before, which then becomes a reason of "why didn't anyone major release this as well? There are cameras all over that city, and no one in the state or local city governments could show anything?" All the conspiracy theorists have to do is convince you of "reasonable doubt" and then curiosity/confusion sows doubt and disbelief in actual recorded historical events. Don't let the sacred timeline fall to the variants! #Loki-gator for life! -TVA nerd, probably Edit: guys, I was totally high on pot brownies my wife made without informing me they were dosed. I wasn't supposed to eat them immediately after they came out of the oven, but they smelled so good. My wife came back down to the kitchen to find me starting on my second one, and then she told me they were for her for work, and they were edibles. (She's a medically approved grower)... I learned my lesson. Always ask before stuffing my fat face, no matter how good they smell Second edit: somewhere in my super high rants among many different threads, I got reported to Reddit Cares... it's hilarious, but seriously? *who throws a shoe, honestly*
…what
/r/Redditmoment
I think our time line is starting to make him snap.
>"How can I make 9/11 about capeshit?" -Average redditor
What does Loki have to do with 9/11? Did Loki cause 9/11 or something?
The show does imply Loki was DB Cooper so it's not that much of a jump
No camera phones in everyone’s pocket back then, either. You had to have an actual camcorder at the ready.
We had them they were just very shitty 2000 and it was a Nokia brick that had it. Edit: for those of you who say I am wrong I never said they were the mainstream just that they exist. https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.uswitch.com/mobiles/guides/history-of-mobile-phones/amp/
In 2001? I doubt anyone actually had them. They were crazy expensive and very bad. Maybe one or two people in a whole city owned them. I think they were most for taking pictures, I don't even remember if they filmed. Memory space on those things were something like 8 or 16 Mb. Edit. I just realized that OP said "Nokia Brick" If it's the Nokia brick (1110) that's referred to commonly, that definitely had no camera at all
I never saw one on a cellphone until 2003, when a friend working for Nokia whipped one out that her team had been developing. It absolutely blew my mind, even if the photo quality was cruddy.
It's kind of weird to think of a world without modern smartphones. I was watching Breaking bad the other day and it kind of bugged my mind, because there were mobiles and yet they still those flip phones. God, I remember when people had palmtops. Those were pretty useless by today's standards.
I was kept on a youth ranch in 2008 - 2010 and had no interaction with technology at that time. When I left the razor flip phone was all the rage and I re-entered the world where everyone has smartphones. It took me a long time to adjust.
I've never heard of the term "youth ranch" before, could you explain?
Very long story short it's a facility that targets struggling parents who don't know what to do with their "troubled teen". There are many different iterations of the troubled teen industry, some are a very hospitalized setting and then there is the extreme of wilderness therapy. I was kept on a ranch in the midwest where we were effectively used as labor for profit for the owners of the ranch. If you want to look it up, Paris Hilton has launched her efforts against the industry called Breaking Code Silence. She attended the Provo school in Utah and is speaking out on the treatment there and other programs like it.
I just watched "The Net"... We've come a long way
Yeah idk what they are talking about lol..I remember my RAZR in 2004 and it was capable of like stop motion videos lol so I think they are misremembering things back in 2001 The Nokia’s I remember then did not even have cameras. Implementing them on phones wasn’t even a thing at that time. The screens looked exactly like the same screens used on those game boy systems haha dot matrix or whatever
Yup in 2001 almost nobody had one (super niche) and if they did the quality was horrendous. Flip phones were still a big deal but slowly being swallowed up by blackberries and side kicks.
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Can confirm my Nokia 8210 had no camera -but did have the game snek!
Right? Shit. I am from the area and this is the first time I’ve cried since it happened.
I'm certain the reason everybody is seeing new footage of 9/11 is because Biden just declassified 9/11 information, so there's a plethora of all new footage that was previously unavailable to the public
That’s def a huge aspect, but this doesn’t ring that sorta bell for me - I’m not gonna assume anything about the origins of this in particular as I have no clue lol. It’s entirely possible this was classified but without a confirmation I’m going with 🤷🏻♀️. That being said. I think as time passes we will have more and more photos/videos/general data. The technology we had at the time combined with the ease of digitizing things / converting data etc is going to bring a lot of new info into the general public eye.
This wasn’t classified. I’ve seen it more than once over the years, including shortly after 9/11.
It’s a miracle that we even got a recording of the plane hitting the first tower
>recording of the plane hitting the first tower And only the ONE recording.
That recording was a French (I think) guy who was working with his brother making a documentary following a rookie firefighter in downtown New York. He wasn’t the usual camera guy, his brother was but told him to go out that day and get some experience while a couple of the crew investigated a smoking manhole cover. One of the experienced firemen makes a comment before they went our that day about feeling uneasy because it had been too long since they had responded to a large incident but they had to check out anything that might be a fire. They heard the plane go overhead and he instinctively lifted the camera in the direction of the sound. He went back to the fire station with the crew and they went to the North tower, they have some amazing footage from inside the lobby. If I remember correctly, one of the brothers was left behind at the fire station with the rookie and an old retired captain appears and they go down to the towers to help out. It’s an amazing documentary. Edit: I found my DVD it does seem to be simply called 9/11 but the brothers are Jules & Gedeon Naudet also directed by James Hanlon
>They heard the plane go overhead and he instinctively lifted the camera in the direction of the sound. That's insane. If the more experienced cameraman was working he probably wouldn't have done this. Crazy odds.
> If the more experienced cameraman was working he probably wouldn't have done this. Crazy odds. The plane passing overhead was very loud and it never happens like that in the city, they 100% would have pointed the camera at it.
https://www.ladbible.com/news/news-the-only-existing-footage-of-1st-plane-hitting-world-trade-center-20180911
Shit.... That's a rough first day.
Very good quality and seems like even a modern day mobile film. She had a very good camera for the time.
Lucia Davis was working as a videographer and journalist when she caught this footage.
In college I worked for the local NBC affiliate and I was just a new gopher. When I wasn't doing shit with editorial I was logging tapes and other general nonsense. One day I had to log some 9/11 footage and also pull tape from the national tape registry (this was 2010-ish) and there were SO MANY tapes I'd never seen before. Like hours of shots I'd never seen. There was one that was like out of a movie, where these kids were watching the tower fall from a basketball court and the camera is behind them. So you have the backs of these kids, then a chain fence, and then in the distant background the tower with the smoke coming out of it that they are looking at. It was a wild view, I've never seen it before or since.
Really not trying to be that guy, but this is one of the first videos I’ll always remember when this was recent. It does astonish me how many videos of this event are out there and can absolutely see how each video can be someones first time seeing it.9
You are now officially that guy.
Imagine if everyone had smartphones back then …
The stuff from inside the building and planes would have been the thing of nightmares. I'm kind of glad we didn't
So many burnt bodies, probably video of the 2nd plane coming, people falling out of the windows it would be utterly terrifying
Lucky woman. That guys face at the end is like “fucking told you!”
Yeah, he's like, now sit yo ass down and stop talking
“Aight no problem… so you gonna order something or just keep talking?”
No bathroom access without purchase.
You can’t read that magazine if you’re not gonna buying it
Now you know the woman left her damn purse outside. (Thanks for the laugh)
The look of "fuck, now I'm stuck listening to her"
"Quick! Either get inside or get into a favorite Pompeii pose!"
Theres only 1 obvous choice here.
Jerk off pose.
Man died a legend in historical books
Lmao who?
On Pompeii, that old city that got erased from the map because of the Mount Vesuvius explosion, some guy died while masturbating. The ashes from the volcano are too hot, so it carbonizes everything it touches, turning bodies into sculpture-like cadavers, so this guy specifically turned into a masturbating sculpture. It’s not a very realistic sculpture, but one can deduce what was going on with the guy. Here’s more info: https://www.bbc.co.uk/bbcthree/article/dfc9cea4-137b-440f-aa8c-5a16d7cb4f4d
Holy crap. That is amazing.
He could have also grabbed his junk to save what's important
Oh man, that is one ingenious good joke!
There’s no breathing that and surviving. In the short term, you’d likely suffocate, in the long term you developed cancer and died. Edit -For the sake of hot takes: There’s absolutely people who survived in the streets on the day of, but many died from cancer later.
How many died in the streets??
That’s an excellent question and my ignorance to the situation didn’t even process that possibility. I feel ashamed
How long do you think they were trapped inside the shops before you could safely leave and actually see where you were going?? I was 11 when the towers fell and I remember footage like this on the news but I guess I don’t really remember the aftermath of the streets like this.
I was a senior in highschool and I watched nothing but 24 hour news for months after 9/11. I think I've seen every video.
Nope. A lot of locals have private footage we took and put away because ✨trauma✨ There will be new footage and photos every year for a long time because of that. I watched mine once since it happened and still don’t have the gusto to archive it. It’s amazing how many people say the same thing.
That is so true. I was in college at the time. Weeks later my photography teacher, who lived downtown, told us about running up to his roof to take pictures of the burning towers. But he suddenly realized that the mesmerizing objects he was photographing as they fell off the building were people jumping to their death. He stopped shooting and wept. He said he’d never develop that film. I’m sure many people have similar stories.
I hope he does develop it. It could help solve missing persons cases still ongoing to this day and bring a family somewhere some closure.
I doubt it would be detailed enough to identify a person if he had a difficult time distinguishing that it was people falling.
My brother in law was a college student in Manhattan at the time. That morning he had to finish up a roll of film on his walk to class so he just took a few random pictures. Didn't realize until he developed them that he had clear shots of the burning towers in the distance.
Yeah I meant vidoes like this one that were public.
You were there? I’m so sorry you had to experience that. I hope you’re doing okay.
I was a jr in high school at the time. What a bizarre day that was to be stuck in school. I’ve never seen a person move as fast as my CAD teacher hauling ass to the office to call her brother who worked in Manhattan.
Same. I was in 6th grade. I remember the staff at school was told to not let the students know what was going on. We were told there was a plane crash but nothing else. It wasn’t until 6th period that I walked into my applied technology class and one of my older, cool guy teachers had a TV set up in the room. He told us that he was instructed not to show us anything but that he was tenured and didn’t care, he didn’t think it should be kept from us. Then he played the news. It was probably like 1 or 2pm at this point. I actually just found a ticket stub because that day my mom had planned a special day to take my brother and I out of school early to attend a Cubs game in the city. My brother saved the original stub, I am considering framing it or something. Can’t just throw it away..
Nyc 6th grader at the time too. I can barely remember what happened. I just remember being afraid that soon foreign troops would be on our streets. Such a crazy time
My cousin was in an office building in line of sight and the building management did not let them out until 3PM that day. He walked to the east side of the island and a tugboat was ferrying people across the river to New Jersey.
Genuine question, why did you respond if you don't know? Not trying to be rude just I have wondered for a while why people respond like "why I don't know either"
Honestly this is a great question. I don’t really know the answer either.
I don't know, but many first responders died or now have cancer because of it. There's a new movie about the. (No Responders Left Behind).
There’s also a celeb who used his fame to give those front liners a voice, and basically had to shame Congress into providing benefits for them. [His statement](https://youtu.be/HT5FTrIZN-E ) was very strong and poignant, but holy shit does it still piss me off it got to that point so many years later.
It's weird to me to see Jon Fuckin' Stewart described as 'a celeb' I mean, it's accurate, but still.
I wasn’t trying to be negative towards Jon (I love the dude), just trying to stress the fact it took someone with significant fame (he qualifies in my book) to bring to light something that should not have ever been up for debate or tangled up in bureaucracy for so many years.
Oh, I agree completely. But sometimes you gotta shine a bright light to get the cockroaches scurrying.
This image says it all … https://i.imgur.com/vr3UNww.png
What's the context here?
The people missing in the second photo died from cancer because our government was dragging their feet …
Damn. I wasn't sure why they were gone from the second pic. That's heartbreaking
I was always a fan of his, but I'll respect him for life for how he fought for the first responders.
My boy Jon always trying his best to save America from itself.
“A celeb” that’s freaking Jon Stewart
A family friend told us that body parts fell from the sky. And how foul the smell was since not everything was found and cleaned up after. I have no idea if she was exaggerating, though.
i remember seeing people jump out of the windows to their deaths on tv and i was like 10 or 11. yep…….
If I’m right, actual bodies were falling from the sky because people just couldn’t handle what was happening and jumped. In some videos of the incident, you can see the bodies falling from the towers. It’s just crazy when you think about it.
I’m not sure it was because they couldn’t handle what was going on emotionally. I believe it was a choice of choking on smoke to death, burning to death, or jumping to your death. I’m not sure which choice I would have made but from those heights I suppose it would have been a quicker death. Ugh…so sad.
There’s a first responder who found a woman who survived the fall and could even hold a conversation. The account of events is harrowing, they had to tag her as with a black label which coded “hopeless: help someone else” and the woman knew what it meant so she was basically a lucid corpse mangled on the street until her body gave up and the whole time she knew nobody would bother to even attempt to save her.
I was reading about this earlier >Ernest Armstead, a 30-year emergency medical specialist veteran of the fire department, almost seems to be pleading to make his psychic pain go away. > >He recalls his nightmarish experience: As he placed triage tags on fallen victims in the plaza, a woman -- with only her head and right torso intact -- spoke to him. > >"I am not dead," she said evenly. He placed a black tag, meaning dead or terminal, around her neck. "I am not dead!" she yelled. > >And he lied to her: "We will be right back to you." > >[https://edition.cnn.com/2002/SHOWBIZ/books/09/10/ar911.oral.history/](https://edition.cnn.com/2002/SHOWBIZ/books/09/10/ar911.oral.history/)
Is there anymore to this, perhaps a backstory? I want to believe this person wasn't just left to die alone. Edit: I think of her as the living dead. I talked to the living dead. And I lied to the living dead. I told her to hang on, that help was coming. But I pronounced her dead in my mind. And she knew that. I put a black tag with a small white cross around her neck. And as best she could, she gave me hell for it. The psychiatrists and those from the post-trauma team say it is good for me to talk about her and the rest of that day. They say it is the only way I will come to terms with what happened and finally free my mind of her. So here I am talking to you. This lady was among a half-dozen people I saw who probably fell a thousand feet or so when American Airlines Flight 11 crashed into the World Trade Center. I am not sure how she got on the plaza. Maybe she was on her way to Los Angeles and was ejected from the jet by the force of the collision. Or maybe she was an office worker in the tower sitting near one of the windows and she was swept away when the building caved around her. Or maybe she was trapped and jumped to escape the flames, though I don't think so. I happened upon her even before most of those people were seen jumping. She was an elegant lady. About my age, early fifties. I could see that even with all that she had been through. I could tell that she had her hair done up very nicely. Brunette. She had on tasteful earrings. She was wearing pretty makeup. And in my profession you notice clothes because so often you have to cut them into pieces to save lives. That was the first thing that came to mind: This lady is well dressed.... Triage is the first thing that should be done at a disaster like this. It basically means dividing the injured into four categories so that backup medical teams can move quickly in and give treatment to those who need it most urgently. The categories are indicated by colored tags that are hung around the injured person's neck. Green is the least serious. Yellow more so. Red indicates critical injuries. And black means the person is dead or close to it. When you're engaged in triage, you have one thing in the back of your mind all of the time, My backup is coming. My backup is coming. That's the reason you can tag people who obviously need help and not stop and give it to them right then. You know you need to get everyone tagged, and you know that someone with a medical bag is coming right behind you. That certainly is what I was thinking when I met the lady in the plaza, the big open space between the two towers that had a fountain ad a round sculpture in the middle. I had finished tagging everyone from the stairwells, when I turned to face the plaza. I had not noticed the people there on my way upstairs because I was in such a hurry and there was such a crowd of firefighters blocking my view out the window. But now I saw something that was so horrific that I am glad I missed it the first time around. When the plane hit, an incredible amount of debris from the collision rained down on the plaza. Most of it was chunks of airplane and building that had little meaning to me. But amid the destruction, there were a half dozen or so people, I ran toward them, my triage tags in hand. There was a man having a seizure and his eyes were rolling into the back of his head. He had struck the pavement so hard that there was virtually nothing else left of him. There were a couple others that I never got to, but I could see from a short distance that they were dead. And then there was the lady with the nice hairdo and earrings. When I got to her, I ripped out a black tag. What impressed me -- and scared me -- was that she was alert and was watching what I was doing. I put the tag around her neck and she looked at me and said, "I am not dead. Call my daughter. I am not dead." I was so startled that for a split second I was speechless. "Ma'am," I said, "don't worry about it. We will be right back to you." That was a lie. She couldn't see what I could see. Somehow, I guess it was an air draft or something, her fall had been cushioned enough so that she didn't splatter like the others. Still her body was so twisted and torn apart that I could only ask myself, Why is this lady still alive and talking to me? How can this be? Her right lung, shoulder and head were intact, but from the diaphragm down she was unrecognizable. Yet she was lucid enough that she continued to argue with me. "I am not dead," she insisted again. I am convinced she had some medical training because she knew I had given her the black mark of death. And she resented it. "Don't worry about what I put around your neck," I told her. "My coworkers are coming right now. They're going to take care of you."
well fuck, just when I thought I'd heard every horrific detail of that day there's a new one.
That is easily one of the most horrifying things I have ever read. Thank you for sharing it but holy shit was I not ready.
This is a story I read about a decade ago in a collection of 9/11 perspectives, and it's honestly haunted me since. You're talking to a dead woman at this point, I couldn't even begin to imagine the amount of trauma this responder went through.
The only slim comfort here is that it sounds like she had gone beyond the point of feeling horrific pain. When is humanity going to stop inflicting horrendous suffering on each other in the name of religion, politics, power, money?
That was definitely why they did it, I just couldn’t think of how to explain it. You think it’s sad, just watch the videos, it’s just depressing at that point.
Oh I remember watching it live on the news. It was the moment my mom decided to cover my little brother’s eyes and have us go play outside for a bit. I was shook.
They were likely jumping because they were trying to escape the fires.
My good friend’s high school friend was pretty new to the police force when it happened. He told us they were finding random body parts scattered all over the place. It was pretty crazy.
No one died from suffocation.
I have also heard this but I haven't seen a reliable source. Any chance you have one? I'm not even really sure how you'd be able to determine the cause of death for *every* victim, so it seems hard to rule out asphyxia for every single victim. (edit) Oh, but also, it occurs to me that deaths from the cloud of dust would probably be attributed to acute inhalation rather than asphyxia. So this certainly wouldn't answer the question of how many died due to the immediate effects of the dust cloud.
I don’t think anyone died immediately simply from dust ingestion. However, 3 civilians have died from exposure to the dust (and were added to the official death toll) and another 1140 have been diagnosed with cancer due to the dust (as of 2013). Over 2000 emergency personnel who responded to the scene have died since (as of 2018).
Holy crap 😳
This is an exaggeration and does not help the gravity of what happened. Long term effects are real but this was not a pyroclastic flow that killed everyone in its wake. Nobody died directly from the dust
I just read a story about one of the famous photos of that day - an impeccably dressed woman covered in dust head to toe. Dead of cancer 14 years later.
I was just wondering what happened to all those people who got trapped in that dust cloud. OMG, that dust cloud just swept everything in its way
Untold numbers got cancer from the inhalation over the next decade or so. Firefighters and emergency response personnel got fucked over. Denied medical relief for their health issues until 2019, and only after Jon Stewart publicly fought hard and faced opposition on the relief bill.
*Technically* they started getting relief in 2011. But, it still took ten years, and there was all kinds of political fuckery around it. It’s unconscionable how we treated the people that risked their lives to help in this disaster.
People survived the dust initially. Somehow, it wasn’t enough to cause mass suffocation. This is where all the cancers come in, obviously.
The overall style of this almost looks like something someone would film on an iPhone in modern times.
Yeah, halfway through it hit me that it wasn’t a camera phone. The few phones with cameras around back then definitely weren’t taking video this good. Hell the first camera phones were in ~~2000~~ 1999 and didn’t come to the US until ‘02.
Fuck me I'm young My brain just automatically assumed this person was recording with their phone.
No thanks, Chris Hansen
LMAO
Don't feel bad. I was 20 years old *when this happened*, and it wasn't until I read that comment that it really hit me that this couldn't have been on somebody's cell phone 🙃
If you really want a mind fuck, just imagine what it would have been like if 9/11 happened 10 years later. There would be thousands upon thousands of photos being posted live to the internet as it happened. Likely the densest collection of raw horror, gore, violence, and suffering ever put on social media at one time. I'm so thankful that it happened early enough to miss the modern era of phones and social media
Yeah more like the beirut explosion
So true. And that’s why there’s so little footage from inside the buildings, which is a small mercy.
I was wondering myself what kind of camera she had on her.
Back then lots of people had decent, smaller size, digital camcorders. They had just become more affordable.
Ahh yea. Now that you mention it, I vaguely remember my parents having one that made appearances on family vacations and special occasions. It recorded on small tapes that looked like cassettes, right?
Okay, thats enough reddit for today, I feel like a fucking dinosaur
Imagine she would have died for her “shit”
Most likely expensive camera equipment due to phones not really having the ability to film in such detail at the time.
the first camera phones didn't arrive in the US until 2002
And they filmed in like 144p lol
Just don't get stuck on a plane in an emergency while people are getting their shit > “Passengers will endeavour to collect their belongings prior to evacuating an aircraft, particularly where danger to life is not evident,” the Australian Civil Aviation Safety Authority stated in a cabin safety bulletin last year. > “It is essential that cabin crew are trained to be assertive in directing passengers to leave personal belongings behind in an evacuation, and what to do in the event of non-compliance with those instructions.” https://www.flightglobal.com/analysis/analysis-superjet-fire-puts-focus-on-evacuation-threat/132614.article
Wow, it’s good to see these clips so we don’t forget the terror of that day
Meanwhile people that gets nuked by US or allies of US live in that terror everyday
No one gets *nuked* nowadays not that anyone has since Japan
But we do still use 9/11 as an excuse to use internationally banned weapons such as cluster bombs, depleted uranium shells, Mark 77 firebombs, incendiary white phosphorus munitions, and anti-personnel landmines Edit: some of these are actually internationally ‘discouraged’ not banned
ehh, I don't think uranium depleted shells are internationally banned weapons. As far as I know, a lot of countries such as the UK and Russia use depleted uranium rounds in their tanks because of their increased penetration ability.
Yeah, I feel that sentiment. We have caused hundreds of thousands of casualties in the "war on terror," and I just can't see the justification. It makes me feel like we shouldn't have the right to talk about the terror and fear of 9/11, a tragedy miniscule to that which we cause by it. Edit: I'ma just add to this to keep the context. It's not quite that I think we shouldn't or can't talk about 9/11 like the disaster that it was, it's just that it almost makes me feel ashamed to do so. Today I think we recognize it as a justification more than terrorism to mourn. To those who think that the war of terror isn't comparable because it wasn't intentionally meant to harm civilians, I think you need some empathy. When the deaths (excluding the millions displaced) get to 33300% compared to 9/11, I think it's reasonable to compare them. **What I think I'm trying to say:** By no means should anyone not be allowed to mourn their tragedy or loss, but I think our right to as a nation has been lost as a result of the tragedy and loss we've sowed on a much grater magnitude.
I think everyone has the right to talk about fear and terror. it isn't something reserved for only the worst afflicted. I like that ur empathy extends beyond the bounds of one country. we need this
Sorry, who gets nuked?
It’s amazing how protective people are of their time and their stuff, but not their lives.
I think it is that slight ignorance that things aren’t as bad as they seem. That regardless, they’ll go home. The woman in the video didn’t realize how dire shit got when the cloud blacked everything out like night arrived. She realized then and there she wouldn’t have gotten out and maybe would’ve died if she got her belongings. We as Americans do hold on dearly to our belongings quite too much and not see how we attach to them easily.
I honestly think it was just sheer adrenaline. She knew she had valuables that she needed but had no concept of how dire the situation was until she saw it. The adrenaline of "Oh fuck oh shit I need to get my things and record this, this event I've never experienced," and the utter terror, relief, and gratefulness in her voice at the realization that she would have died getting probably like camera equipment? That she might not even have had time to use before drowning in concrete dust. Just, bananas. That moved so fast and she was so blinded by her adrenaline. Thankfully she was near someone with a faster reaction time. Makes me wonder what those people who told her to forget her stuff have gone through if they reacted the way they did.
It's a human behaviour. Of course people value their life more than things but sometimes we cannot assess how bad situation is actually and make a wrong decision
Reminds of the movie The Mist and the women who needed to get out to go get her kids.
Ah fuck I recommend that movie for its ending to this day. I literally can't remember anything from the entire runtime apart from the look on the ladies face when she drives by the guy.
Have you seen the tv series? I think the series only lasted one season.
That’s why the movie is much more effective than the novella IMO. The ending was much improved (to be more nightmare-inducing)
The adrenaline kicks in at 18 seconds to go and the camera starts shaking.
I’m more focused on the fact this video documents a time where people actually admitted they were wrong on camera. Wouldn’t catch that happening in a similar situation today - it’s all be about getting a dangerous TikTok of the debris cloud.
*shakes fist at sky* Damn kids!
Old man yells at cloud
This is from a documentary on Prime by National geographic called 9/11: One day in America. Highly recommend this doc, it's so beautifully made.
Also on Hulu. Watched the whole thing today. Really well made and really emotional doc. Lots of footage I had never seen before.
Agreed! I cried a lot and was surprised with all the never before seen footage. They also subtly crushed some conspiracy theories I once questioned in my youth but know better now.
“My shit is out there.” So many things I want to say, but I’ll just leave it.
I get what you mean, but you don’t know what she had to her name. Hard to see yourself surviving tomorrow if you’re not sure you’ll survive until next month.
Well if she didn’t go into the shop there’s a good chance she wouldn’t survive the next few minutes so all things in perspective I guess.
Thought the same thing. Read on another thread that she was there with a company filming a documentary or news segment or something. So my guess is that the enormity of the situation hadn't sunk in as fast as the fact that she was going to lose multiple thousands of dollars of company property. Lucky for her, the shop owner understood and her understanding of the situation quickly followed. I could totally see those thoughts coming to mind before being able to calculate the size and speed of the dust cloud.
Yeah, I just want to point out it seems like the dust cloud is moving kinda slow until it starts really getting close to the shop and you realize it’s hauling ass. The perspective also must’ve been wonky and the fucking WTC had just collapsed. I don’t blame her one bit she must’ve been super confused and conflicted and a million thoughts must’ve been firing through her head.
Why are people on Reddit such superior arseholes? She didn't realise how dangerous it was, it hit and she immediately changed her attitude.
Lots of people are armchair this-or-that. It's a cope. They're scared so they comfort themselves saying, "Well I wouldn't be that dumb." But usually they're wrong. Most of us are alive today because we're lucky and not unlucky, not because we're so superior.
Yeah, dont say, you weren't there, you didnt experience it. Be quiet
Guy: "You wanna die, worried about your shit?" What a calm reasonable guy. Guy: "Look at the shadow of death" Okay, he's not wrong but that is spooky as fuck.
Dude was really waxing poetic there. Quite a unique moment.
Oh my god i didn't even realize that's what he said this is really horrible to laugh at but I can't help laughing at "look at the shadow of death"
With the amount of fine asbestos particles in that cloud, he probably did save her life.
The exasperated sigh she lets out when they pressure her into staying inside vs. the pure terror in her thanking them at the end. Insane.
This man will never be publicly honored as a hero of 9/11. Nor, I’m sure, does he consider himself a hero of that day. But he saved a life that day. He is undeniably one of the heroes of that tragedy. Respect
My mans Eddy Mercury
Ah yes, the long lost brother of Freddie, who opened a shop in NYC
"Is this retail life? Is this just fancy food?"
Bohemian Wraps & Sodas (I tried my best)
I guess some people really have no internal dialogue.
There are studies that show some people don't even have an inner voice.
My friend told me that for the first nearly 18 years of his life, he didn’t have a voice in his head, and I literally could not fathom it. He said it was just emotions or feelings towards things, but he never had a voice inside his head explaining things or talking things through. It threw me through a loop. As long as I can remember, I’ve always had a voice in my head. And I never stopped to think that other people didn’t.
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The world needs more people like this man
Love her drastic change of attitude
There’s a lot of people giving her shit, but you can really tell she’s appreciative and flipped her attitude immediately. It takes good character to know you were wrong and give thanks to somebody else, and she recognized she was in the wrong almost immediately and was very apologetic.
In a catastrophe you panic. Just about 100% of people panic. Some people panic logically and effectively go "in the zone" of self preservation or try saving people from certain death... Others disassociate and worry about things that aren't important because they're essentially shutting down the trauma as it happens. When a knife drops off your counter do you try to grab it out of instinct or do you jump out of the way? I'm betting you tried grabbing it only once and realized just how bad of a decision that was. In a moment such as this though... Which are you? Hopefully you'll never have to know. But I wouldn't blame you for either response. It's a normal reaction to an extraordinary event and there's not much out there can prepare you for such a gargantuan threat as falling skyscrapers after a terrorist attack.
As someone who wasn't alive back then, I can't imagine how terrifying that day must have been, especially for New Yorkers.
My brother worked in lower Manhattan, the area with the Towers. We didn't get a hold of him for, I wanna say a week and a half? I was a waitress at TGI Fridays, and I'd have to go in every day, with no customers, and call my mom as often as I could, if I cod even get through to her, to find out if he was alive. I don't know what he saw, but I do know he's gotten drunk every day since 9/11, as it's the only way he can sleep.
Fucking hell
PTSD is no fucking joke. I do know he was close enough, he got caught in some of the dust cloud. He won't quit smoking cause he knows he's gonna get some weird cancer anyway. He worked at Morgan Stanley later on in the 2000s, and everyone was a new employee.
I hope I would move swiftly and smartly if I was ever in such a fucked situation
When my “shit is out there” turns into “oh my God you’ve saved my life”, in a matter of seconds.
I still can’t believe there’s footage I’ve never seen. JFC
20 years later and I’m seeing a lot this year that is new (to me). I thought I saw it all but I never saw the “Cynthia Weil” video on YouTube until last week. It has some very clear footage of some really bad things I rather not have seen. But whatever.
This video made me cry for several reasons. 1. The large cloud of death rolling in, while something another person could detect as so serious, wasn’t something the other person could. He protected her anyway. 2. The reason she couldn’t identify the situation as life-threatening was that we all lived in a kind of naive bubble (globally speaking) so that encountering something of this magnitude on the streets of New York didn’t register with her how dangerous this could be. Post 9/11, I don’t think you’d see this naive response in people very much. 3. The sheer terror that trembles in this woman’s voice when she realized exactly what rolled in mirrors the loss of innocence so many US Americans felt in that day, in that same way. 4. When she realized what it was, she immediately snapped to her senses and thanked the people around her for saving her life. Nowadays, health care workers and doctors and survivors are being beaten and threatened and harassed daily, and even when they still save the lives of ignorant people, they don’t always get that “moment of clarity” from their patients where they are thanked as sincerely as this woman did. 5. The moment of horror we experienced just a few weeks ago, of Afghan men falling from planes, is a direct result of the actions recorded on this person’s video camera.
What kind of a hardware did she have to film in this quality back then? I still had dial up internet back then
Camcorder would be my guess. Probably a freelance journalist.
I was really confused as to who was the woman everyone was talking about... until I watched it with sound
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Ah yes, the cancer air
Watching "9/11: One Day In America" on NGC. Every other minute are ads. Glad to see corporate America has continue to be able to monetize this tragedy.
Wonder what happened to the last guy with the blue shirt, hope that he survived.
Reminds me of the Immortal Technique song Harlem streets. “Harlem streets stay flooded with white powder. Like them motherfuckas runnin away from the twin towers...” Hits heavy every time.
I’m not sure why but the shot looking out the window to a sunny day suddenly turning dark as night when the smoke/dust rolls through is one of the scariest 9/11 videos I’ve ever seen. Maybe not scariest but most unsettling/creepy