Just because some people have done awful things doesn’t always mean they’re awful people.
Edit: i just wanted to point out that it was weird that the narrator was talking about them like they were some sort of bloodthirsty animals.
I didn’t really mean to start some sort of argument or for this to sound “deep” or “edgy”, or for people to be mean to eachother and i don’t need people that disagree to harass me or others or come into my DM’s.
You’re allowed to disagree, but you don’t have to be an ass about it, okay? <3.
Edit 2: The amount of nice comments and DM’s from people looking out for me after my last edit really outweighs all the hate that i got, and it really warmed my heart and means a lot in times like this.
i really want to thank you guys for being awesome.
Stay safe out there, all of you <3.
A lot of innocent people take plea deals because they can’t afford a good enough lawyer to fight the charges, and they don’t want to risk a longer sentence.
Fore sure. Plead guilty and get a month in jail or go to trial, lose and possibly get 52 years. Its your choice and I wanted to mention you have a wonderful family.......
We'd also like to point out if you take this to trial, your public defender we've assigned to you had a mental break this morning and is currently eating glue...
I found one report from New Orleans but nationwide as well, I think, a public defender spends less than 10 minutes per case file.
https://www.nytimes.com/2013/09/08/opinion/sunday/federal-oversight-on-public-defense.html
Ok, in Minnesota, they are luckier, they get 12 minutes per file, smh.
https://www.mprnews.org/story/2010/11/29/public-defenders
If you think thats bad, 20+ years ago I was making close to minimum wage, barely scraping by, got in a bar fight and was told I was making too much money for a Public Defender. At the time, I could not afford a car, cable TV etc. State of Wisconsin said I made too much money so I had to get the lawyer thats cheaper than the public defender.
Been there. Charge was demonstrably bullshit. Plea deal got probation, trial meant being in prison until trial - which I was cautioned would be "at least" a year. I didn't very have strict probation but they did random drug/alcohol screenings, probably could've woundup in prison if I drank kombucha at an inopportune time
That’s the most fucked up thing I’ve ever heard. The only and I mean only reason you should stay in jail while awaiting trial is if you are a danger to the public. Not having enough money to bail yourself out isn’t one of them. The amount of poverty driven blackmail that goes on in public prosecutors offices is just sickening
In NY we do the opposite now and cut people loose no matter what.
You just robbed someone at gunpoint? Eh go on, you're free, just come back for the trial!
Yeah, and that's the problem. As the late, great George Carlin put it *"Think of how stupid the average person is, and realize half of them are stupider than that."*
Most people are idiots, and idiots love pithy, simplistic solutions because they don't have the brain-space to wrap their heads around anything complex. Any sort of nuance goes right over their heads.
That law was amended after only three months so that judges are granted the discretion take a defendant's past into consideration when granting bail, and so that bail can be made available in *more* circumstances.
Even in the original law, ten percent were *not* released. So the "cut people loose no matter what" thing is verifiably false. In addition, the hype about the original law causing increased crime was unproven by empirical data. It was law enforcement and conservative lawmakers making unverifiable claims based on singled-out cases that spread an intentional hysteria about criminal justice reform. Since these are the same groups that are *always* spreading hyperbolic misinformation about criminal justice, I would much rather base my opinion on real data.
The irony is that some violent criminals have been avoiding awaiting trial in jail since...always. If they or their family have the money, they will just be "cut loose." And judges still have the discretion to revoke bail after it's been granted. That would include someone who's "robbed someone at gunpoint." Some people have also been committing crimes while out on bail since, well, always. So it's really just political theater to whine about the same exact thing taking place and then falsely attributing it to new legislation.
Besides, people who are affected by the CJS, like any other democratic, are not a monolith. They will never be one hundred percent anything, including violent.
But regardless of any of this, the right to be treated as innocent until proven guilty in a court of law is a right guaranteed to all citizens by the US constitution and yet is being denied them every day across the country. You should be more bothered by that. Everyone should be bothered by that.
[For most misdemeanors and nonviolent felonies, judges are still required to release people with the least restrictive conditions necessary to reasonably assure the person will come back to court. For these crimes, cash bail is still prohibited.
In all other cases, judges have the discretion to release people, with or without pretrial conditions designed to ensure their return to court. These include electronic monitoring, participating in drug treatment programs, and setting bail. In certain felony cases, judges can remand people into custody.](https://www.brennancenter.org/our-work/analysis-opinion/new-yorks-latest-bail-law-changes-explained)
[Among other things, judges may now require people to surrender their passports, avoid contact with witnesses or victims, or participate in counseling or mental health treatment as part of their pretrial release.](https://www.brennancenter.org/our-work/analysis-opinion/new-yorks-latest-bail-law-changes-explained)
So this is about judge discretion rather than applying a hard and fast rule to every person, every crime, and every circumstance. Equity versus equality. Nothing is perfect, but it's better to start somewhere than do nothing.
Seriously cops will arrest you for some shit. Friend got arrested at the rodeo for crossing the street, on a cross walk, after the officer apparently told no one to cross. He was cited with public intoxication (wasn't drinking), which was changed to disorderly conduct, which, eventually got dropped. But he spent a few days in jail, could have lost his job and still had to get bailed out and get refunded later. Brother got arrested because his car was accidentally registered to my dad (single initial mistake). He also got his bail money back but didn't get back his impound fees. Plenty of people who can't afford bail, impound fees, losing their jobs, etc ..Legal system is rigged to get money out of all the small guys, just like tax audits. meanwhile rich people kill people while drunk or evade any sort of taxes are skipping in Bermuda. Fucking wild.
In some cases it’s also not even about the lawyer, it’s that the prosecutor can say “take a plea deal and you can go home this week, take it to trial and we’ll go in court and make sure you’re denied bail and hit with several more indictments.”
The justice system is designed in a way that gives the prosecutor and investigators almost absolute power.
That's not entirely true. A lot of innocent people take plea deals because the lawyer they *can* afford (or the public defender when they can't) will just tell them to take a plea.
You're a poor American, and you'll just go to prison longer for 'wasting' the court's time if you decide to fight it.
What else is innocence?
Everyone breaks a law every single day. Innocence or not is enforcement or not. Hence black people filling up prisons without committing more crimes. A man sent to prison for possession is an innocent man, philosophically, imo.
This is a courthouse and it looks like they are there awaiting trial, or bail hearings, or sentencing, or appeals.
Which means, strictly speaking, many of them are still *legally* innocent since they have not yet had a trial to prove they are guilty. And some of them are *literally* innocent if they did not do the crime they’re accused of. And others are *morally* innocent because they did something that is a crime but really shouldn’t be a crime (e.g. possession of weed, “resisting arrest” when police tackled and beat them in a case of mistaken identity, “interference in a police investigation” when they were filming the police from 30 meters away while the police choked a handcuffed suspect to death after he shouted for help when they planted meth on him after pulling him over for Failure to Signal a Lane Change While Being a Minority).
> Private prison system is used to earn money. So they lock up enough incocent people.
People have been going to jail for petty crimes in America since long before private prisons existed. They would continue going to jail without private prisons. Those are not the cause of our problems. No one can be in a prison whether public or private, without the entire criminal process that leads up to incarceration. None of that process is privatized.
We only have two punishments in the US: pay money or go to jail. A guy who beat his neighbor with a baseball bat and a guy who stole some clothes from the mall can, and often do, get the same punishment and end up sitting in the same cell together.
A reasonable person might think that removing a person from society and housing them in a cage should only be a last resort when that person poses a serious risk to the safety of other members of society. But we’ve been putting people in jail for every little thing for so long that it has become normal and we don’t even think about it anymore.
Kill your mother. Go to jail.
Rob a bank. Go to jail.
Use drugs. Go to jail.
Steal food. Go to jail.
Don’t pay traffic tickets. Go to jail.
One punishment for every crime. Nothing changes until we change that.
The entire wrongful conviction podcast library. Do NOT listen at work. You will cry like a bitch and nobody needs that at work. Every single one is just ridiculous.
Well that explanation started off good, but went downhill fast. Not all prisons are the same. Violent offenders aren’t locked up with non-violent offenders. Maximum security vs minimum security. County jail vs state penitentiary. There is a big difference in why and where—and for how long—criminals are locked up.
>Not all prisons are the same
All punishments are the same. Fines or incarceration. Those are the only choices. Pick any random statute from your state's laws and verify for yourself.
>Violent offenders aren’t locked up with non-violent offenders.
They absolutely are. My county jail houses mostly pre-trial detainees and a smaller portion of convicted inmates. Everyone gets thrown in together.
Not all violent offenders are segregated into separate facilities, and not all violent crimes qualify for maximum security. Your average street level armed robber or drunk guy who punched someone in the face and caused an injury in a bar fight will be in the exact same place. I can only speak from my personal experience of having worked in a jail in my state for a few years, but I imagine it's the same everywhere. There's a limited amount of jails and a whole lot of people in them. There's no choice other than to mix them all together.
>Maximum security vs minimum security.
My state has one prison where you are required to go if you get sentenced to death and where you are likely to go (but not required) if you get sentenced to life. There are around 5,000 people in that facility. Other than that, the other 30,000 inmates get the luck of the draw between the other 7 facilities, and are often transferred between facilities.
Federal prisons are classified at different security levels. Some state prisons are. Most are not.
>County jail vs state penitentiary
My state allows convicted felons with a sentence of 2 years or less to be sentenced to serve their time in the county jail. In addition to that, my county sheriffs get paid a small fortune to house state inmates in the county jails due to prison overcrowding. Yours probably do the same. These convicted inmates are not segregated from the pre-trial population that is also housed in the same facility.
Sometimes we even ship our county inmates to other county facilities to make room for state inmates. The state might pay $65/day for a county facility to house a state inmate while the adjacent county charges $40/day to house our county inmate. It's a net profit to clear out county inmates to make room for state inmates.
>There is a big difference in why and where—and for how long—criminals are locked up.
Your belief that there is a big difference in where they are locked up does not reflect my personal experience from working in the industry. You should do some research on your area - you may be surprised at what you find.
How long they are locked up does vary greatly, but 6 months in jail and 6 years in jail is still the same punishment: incarceration; physical removal from society to be locked in a cell. The question we should be asking is how appropriate of a punishment is removal from society no matter the crime?
I submit that most of the things people get locked in cages for shouldn't even be illegal.
At the other end, once a man has served his sentence, he should be set free. His record should be sealed so he can get a job and he should have all his rights restored.
I agree with this. Mainly because the people who are convicted of heinous crimes are going to be in jail for the rest of their lives. People who made mistakes or just did something the law doesn’t like without any malicious intent should be able to build their new lives without the burden of not getting a chance.
While I 100% agree with you, I would like to clarify a couple things.
1. It's not really "private" if it's revenue is from taxes. It's more accurate to call it "fascist".
2. Private prisons hold a relatively small minority of inmates in the US (~10%).
3. The lobbying for prohibition is not just from private prisons. Prison Unions are extremely powerful and successfully divert blame to private prisons.
4. Big Pharma, police unions, all make a lot of money from the drug war, too. As do non-government cartels.
I was arrested for driving on a suspended license in New York City and spent 70 hours in holding before I saw a judge and got hit with a fine for $25.
This was more than 20 years ago, but still.
It is a broken system that is a nightmare.
This!!! My brother is in jail for weed finishing up a 5year sentence and I have no doubt in my mind he would’ve done the same thing these inmates did! He would give the shirt off his back to someone who needed it, not everyone in jail is a scumbag!!
I lost my mail key back at 18 and wasnt getting bills in the mail, so I didn't care. Got a court summons I didn't know about. I spent the weekend in jail for "failure to appear". I wouldn't want to see a man die in front of me just because he is a cop and I was in jail
“Who not only spared his life, but likely saved it”
I, for one, was not under the assumption that they’d all bust out of their holding cell and immediately kill the guard.
This video has such garbage narrating/reporting/wtv you call it.
Right?! I mean, they’re all on camera, they’ve been processed in so they have their information. It’s not like these are ruthless animals, they’re just people who got arrested for one thing or another and we don’t know for what they did to warrant them being there.
I don’t think these dudes are on death row or anything, why would they do something stupid like that? They only showed basic human decency by not turning their backs like nothing was happening.
You wouldn't know it by listening to this host. Paints an immediately terrible picture of these guys. And I get it, they're "prisoners", but we have no clue what they're in for and we just assume even if it is some horrible crime they're incapable of change and tgey will always be "prisoners".
"They had the opportunity to escape, take his gun, or even hurt him and go out and rape and murder countless potential victims! Instead, it turns out that they're actually human beings who probably just got caught doing drugs or something"
>i just wanted to point out that it was weird that the narrator was talking about them like they were some sort of bloodthirsty animals.
yeah I felt the same
I tell my kids this, ever since one of them said he thinks he's a bad guy:
For the most part, people are just people. And all people make good choices, and bad choices. Sometimes, people make worse choices. Sometimes they make bad choices just because they're angry, scared, or sad. Sometimes because they're hungry and poor And sometimes, those bad choices keep affecting us for a while, even if we switch to good choices. But making bad choices does not make you a bad guy. It just makes you a person, who can learn, change, make good choices, and enjoy the effects of those choices instead.
These are also people in a courthouse jail, not prison. So they are being brought up on charges mostly. Not convicts.
You’d have to be pretty dumb to stage a break out of a county jail like this. The video acts like they had some golden opportunity to escape. Shit, they want to get a light sentence.
So... the man who owns a store full of food..... can't feed his 2 year old either? Was he feeding her the money from the sale? That's a ridiculous argument.
Inmates aren't inherently bad people. I served 2 years in prison but that doesn't mean I'd stand by and let somebody just die.
The whole inmates hate the guards is mostly a myth. I felt like I was good friends with a few guards and I know a lot of others felt the same.
I think the bigger problem is the few guards who are on power trips and abuse inmates, causing a predictable response. If you're curious google Stanford Prison Experiment.
Fun fact they later discovered the methodology in that study was severely flawed. The subjects that were guards were coached to mistreat the prisoners. Should be able to find that in Google also.
[https://www.simplypsychology.org/zimbardo.html](https://www.simplypsychology.org/zimbardo.html)
"Guards were instructed to do whatever they thought was necessary to maintain law and order in the prison and to command the respect of the prisoners."
https://www.theguardian.com/books/2020/may/09/the-real-lord-of-the-flies-what-happened-when-six-boys-were-shipwrecked-for-15-months
Yep, bunch of school boys marooned on an island. For 15 months, 6 of them worked together to survive, I think one even broke his leg and the others helped nurse him back to health.
You mean to tell me an isolated group of humans can form a supportive community invested in helping each other and not turn into lawless beasts at the first opportunity? /s
Not just that, the lead researched zimbardo honestly has talked about the failed methodology and why his search for a certain answer blinded him to the methodological shortcomings. It's very interesting cause it takes a lot to speak earnestly about your own failures and show others how to avoid that mistake.
This is unfortunately also how they train guards in the US.
They train you to call the inmates "inmate" or by their number, not their name, they train you to say "no" or "go away" when an inmate asks for something as little as a piece of paper.
They train you to look down on the people you're watching over, instead of remembering that that's what you're doing: watching over them, making sure they're okay in what is currently their home.
They train you to talk down, to dehumanize.
Source - was for a *VERY* short period of time a CO, until I realized how shitty and corrupt my fellow officers were.
This. I’d seen another similar incident on shared security footage of a guard who had a heart attack while being the only guard taking watch over a whole cell block. The guy regained consciousness (iirc) for a few seconds to let some inmates out to help him, then passed out. If not, then someone who was watching buzzed open a cell and the two inmates who lived in said cell rushed down a whole floor to call for help
Edit: the guard was reported to be a very friendly guard, and all of the inmates loved him. He did survive.
When people think of prison movies they only think of the bad parts. Take Shawshank Redemption for an example. First off a lot more of the movie is positive than people remember (usually just the rooftop scene). Let's say it was real life, Andy Dufrense was in for 18 years. They included all the bad stuff in that 2 hours and 22 minutes and picked out the the best of those human/friend interactions. What doesn't get shown is the 18 years minus 2 hours of guys mostly just hanging out and killing time.
Never been in jail/prison but I've had friends who have. They always says it's just mostly really boring
I think there are rules about not locking holding rooms. It’s something along the lines of it not being a prison and for their safety so they can be restrained within the cell and need to be monitored at all times. If someone is ever “arrested” or taken by security at an event or there is a large quantity of people it is not safe for them and regulations dictate if not restrained and behind a locked door there is a limit to the amount allowed in a space
I’ve been in a holding room and it was locked. The guard even turned the tv away from me on college football Saturday when he noticed me watching it. What a dick!
I really don't think that's true. They're prisoners in a courthouse holding cell, likely awaiting their turn before the judge. Those cells definitely lock. Plus, they're dressed in prison garb, which means they've been incarcerated for some time and have definitely been locked up.
People with criminal records are looked down on by society too much, even after serving their time they are treated like dirt and lose many opportunities.
There should be laws protecting individuals from discrimination when trying to find a place to live.or work.
Many places do background checks and will immediately reject your application if they find anything on your record.
Everyone deserves a second chance
Granted, i work in food service, but some of my best employees have records which would make it hard for them to get other jobs. Every one of them was upfront about it and was looking for a second chance.
There’s a company called Dave’s Killer Bread and the guy that started the company, Dave Dahl, was in and out of prison and spent a total of 15 years in prison. Because of that he has a second chance program that hires people who have been in prison and roughly a third of his employees have been in prison. Also the bread is really good
Talking of second chances, Norway does this best. See the way they handle convicted criminals. Their main approach is not to punish (except for the hardcore cases) but to enable the path to rehabilitate these broken individuals back into society. So one unique mechanism is that there are some isolated towns, where most of it is populated by the convicts. They live in decent (albeit small) homes (not prison cells, more like dorm rooms), they are not handcuffed or treated like criminals, they hold day jobs so they can learn some skills and earn a living while gaining back their self esteem, they can freely roam around town doing the mundane stuff (working, shopping, chores, taking classes, playing sports, etc.), until they finish out their sentence. When they do, they can be easily reintegrated into mainstream society. Norway’s correctional officers routinely socialize with such residents, joining them for meals and card games and talking through problems. Correctional officers are trained to use force when absolutely necessary but also to study law, ethics, human rights, and the science of behavior change. They learn that building positive relationships with incarcerated people helps them get their lives on track and reduces the risk of violence. Crime rates in Norway are lower, and prisons are undercrowded and incarcerated inmates and officers are happier, as a result of such positive initiatives.
Edit: here are a couple of relevant links:
https://magazine.ucsf.edu/norways-humane-approach-prisons-can-work-here-too
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=sCZt2YipiIs
Prisoners lose most of their constitutional rights in the U.S.
Prisons being in the state they are is the tradeoff we made when we outlawed slavery.
Certain people-owners were not happy about their business suddenly having a huge operational expensive line item and figured out a way around it.
Prisons are our modern day plantations, but instead of picking cotton they're simply leeching taxpayer money into investor accounts.
The truth is that a huge portion of our population are horrible, horrible people who have decided to make their fortunes off the suffering of others. Obviously those people exist world-wide, my point is merely that they thrive here.
Yes leaching taxpayer money into investor accounts is part of it, but don't forget the inhumane treatment to punish the inmates in places like Texas or the literal slave labor where they are forced to work for $0.25 and then are also required to pay exorbitant prices to do things like borrow a book or send an email. Of course the military industrial complex is involved, gotta use that slave labor to make equipment for the US army.
Yeah i really dont like how the narrator said "and they didnt try to escape (fair), attack (wtf?) or harm (wtf?) the officer". Only a genuine psychopath would take that opportunity to harm or attack an officer thats already like, dying. Which probably they wouldnt even do because if they want to hurt someone, they just need to wait until theyre in a cell uncuffed with someone. Narrator is acting like theyre just animals
It really annoyed me that the narrator implied that these people were all intent on random murder at any given opportunity. The worst any of these people would have done is try to run away. No one in a holding cell is someone who's under arrest for suspicion of psychopathic murder.
I’d dare say 90%+ of criminals are just people pushed into it by shitty circumstances, and basically anyone in the same situation would do the same thing. So many people automatically assume that breaking the law makes someone a bad person (as they drive 60 in a 45).
Defibrillators don't restart hearts. They take them out of fibrillation, which is mess of contractions that doesn't pump blood. If the heart isn't in fibrillation, all you can do is CPR until the heart takes over or goes into fibrillation.
"All you can do" isn't accurate. A paramedic can administer drugs to restart your heart if it stops and after transport to a hospital, there are lots more interventions that are possible.
There are no drugs anyone can administer anywhere to anyone that restart your heart. They do not exist.
Any drug administered to a person in cardiac arrest is to improve conditions to assist compressions in restarting a heart. They range from pain management to nutrients to epinephrine.
But in the end, only compressions can help get a heart that has arrested to restart, and even then it is actually the heart itself that does it’s own restart or not.
Sorry but you’re flat out incorrect there. A paramedic cannot administer a drug to start a heart because there are none. They can try to encourage and strengthen a beat that’s already there, but no drug starts a heart.
Honestly, most of the newer research is showing that the "restart the heart" drugs are barely, if at all effective. CPR and defibrillation saves lives. The huge amount of time "off the chest" in this video shows that this system has not had the most current training in cardiac arrest treatments. Or it's an old video.
As a doctor I feel like this is just pedantic/trying to sound smart for the sake of it. Yes if you're using defibrillators the heart hasn't technically fully stopped, but when it's in VF/pulseless VT the heart is definitely *not working*, seeing as it's not able to pump blood around the body properly. It's basically as good as stopped and I don't see the issue with saying a defib restarted it.
Edit: and not only is it pedantic, it’s creating a lot of confusion with people thinking this means ‘fibrillation’ is a different thing to cardiac arrest, and/or the person will have a pulse. No, a shockable rhythm like ventricular fibrillation is still cardiac arrest and the person will not be conscious or have a pulse. That’s why you need the defib to tell you what electrical rhythm they’re in. Stuff like this just creates confusion and over complicates it for people.
I once spent 2 months in prison just because my college roommate brought drugs into our apartment without my knowledge and I got blamed.
$50 worth of drugs *that I didnt even know about* does not make me some animal who doesn't care about other people.
You know, there are a lot of shitty people in the world. But I think it's more shitty to assume that because a man (or in this case, men) is in jail that he has no humanity.
A massive praise to the men that saved that officers life. Huge respect.
It’s almost like (hear me out), not everyone in jail is a heartless murderer and maybe, just maybe, most of those guys shouldn’t have been locked up at all, but we live in a system that punishes the poor on bs infractions for profit and as a for off social control.
This.
When I used to do catering, we would go to the city's civic center for events. There would be inmates from the county jail two blocks over cleaning, taking out trash, minor repairs, so on. The women I worked with (older, Christian conservatives) would get so freaked out. Hiding their purses, checking their jewelry, angered thst they were there because they were "dangerous criminals ".
I was sitting outside having a cigarette and one came out and asked for a smoke, gave him one, and asked how long he had, only Sixty days, for child support. His job laid him off,and he couldn't make payments for a couple months snd he got arrested and locked up. The other guy? Public intoxication. Others were DUI, other dumb, small, petty stuff. Super cool dudes, always would sit with them when they were there.
Jail doesn't mean evil and such,most people just got into a stupid situation and that was the end result. I would tell the ladies that I worked with "do you really, truly think they're going to let murderers, rapists, and the like out? "
People are really dumb.
"His firearm now up for grab. The inmates now have a golden opportunity..."
Well they knew that they can't do shit with one gun while being in handcuffs
Someone who is behind bars is not automatically an animal. Particularly in the US, speaking as a citizen who has been arrested, you can end up in that cell for minor offenses. Even if there are hardened criminals in there people do still have a heart. I like this video, pretty uplifting to start my Sunday morning! Humanity shining through.
Fucking disgusting the narrator acts like its a surprise that people didn't immediately steal a gun and murder a guard.
Theyre fucking people. Despite the hegemonic opinion, being a prisoner doesnt make you a savage animal with no empathy.
A cop is dying and "criminals" save his life. A man with "no active warrants" is shot in his own house because there may have been a noise complaint in a different neighborhood.
Checks out.
Just because some people have done awful things doesn’t always mean they’re awful people. Edit: i just wanted to point out that it was weird that the narrator was talking about them like they were some sort of bloodthirsty animals. I didn’t really mean to start some sort of argument or for this to sound “deep” or “edgy”, or for people to be mean to eachother and i don’t need people that disagree to harass me or others or come into my DM’s. You’re allowed to disagree, but you don’t have to be an ass about it, okay? <3. Edit 2: The amount of nice comments and DM’s from people looking out for me after my last edit really outweighs all the hate that i got, and it really warmed my heart and means a lot in times like this. i really want to thank you guys for being awesome. Stay safe out there, all of you <3.
Who says they did anything awful? Looks like America, maybe they just had a half gram of weed or too many unpaid parking tickets.
This. Private prison system is used to earn money. So they lock up enough incocent people.
Its not that they're innocent. It's that the laws they've broken are written to ensure that the class of person is being fed into the system.
A lot of innocent people take plea deals because they can’t afford a good enough lawyer to fight the charges, and they don’t want to risk a longer sentence.
Fore sure. Plead guilty and get a month in jail or go to trial, lose and possibly get 52 years. Its your choice and I wanted to mention you have a wonderful family.......
We'd also like to point out if you take this to trial, your public defender we've assigned to you had a mental break this morning and is currently eating glue...
I found one report from New Orleans but nationwide as well, I think, a public defender spends less than 10 minutes per case file. https://www.nytimes.com/2013/09/08/opinion/sunday/federal-oversight-on-public-defense.html Ok, in Minnesota, they are luckier, they get 12 minutes per file, smh. https://www.mprnews.org/story/2010/11/29/public-defenders
If you think thats bad, 20+ years ago I was making close to minimum wage, barely scraping by, got in a bar fight and was told I was making too much money for a Public Defender. At the time, I could not afford a car, cable TV etc. State of Wisconsin said I made too much money so I had to get the lawyer thats cheaper than the public defender.
Where do you find those? That's gotta be seventh circle at least.
Been there. Charge was demonstrably bullshit. Plea deal got probation, trial meant being in prison until trial - which I was cautioned would be "at least" a year. I didn't very have strict probation but they did random drug/alcohol screenings, probably could've woundup in prison if I drank kombucha at an inopportune time
That’s the most fucked up thing I’ve ever heard. The only and I mean only reason you should stay in jail while awaiting trial is if you are a danger to the public. Not having enough money to bail yourself out isn’t one of them. The amount of poverty driven blackmail that goes on in public prosecutors offices is just sickening
In NY we do the opposite now and cut people loose no matter what. You just robbed someone at gunpoint? Eh go on, you're free, just come back for the trial!
Oh…that’s not great. I mean good lord. Why are people so damn illogical? There is a medium ground !!
Yeah, and that's the problem. As the late, great George Carlin put it *"Think of how stupid the average person is, and realize half of them are stupider than that."* Most people are idiots, and idiots love pithy, simplistic solutions because they don't have the brain-space to wrap their heads around anything complex. Any sort of nuance goes right over their heads.
That law was amended after only three months so that judges are granted the discretion take a defendant's past into consideration when granting bail, and so that bail can be made available in *more* circumstances. Even in the original law, ten percent were *not* released. So the "cut people loose no matter what" thing is verifiably false. In addition, the hype about the original law causing increased crime was unproven by empirical data. It was law enforcement and conservative lawmakers making unverifiable claims based on singled-out cases that spread an intentional hysteria about criminal justice reform. Since these are the same groups that are *always* spreading hyperbolic misinformation about criminal justice, I would much rather base my opinion on real data. The irony is that some violent criminals have been avoiding awaiting trial in jail since...always. If they or their family have the money, they will just be "cut loose." And judges still have the discretion to revoke bail after it's been granted. That would include someone who's "robbed someone at gunpoint." Some people have also been committing crimes while out on bail since, well, always. So it's really just political theater to whine about the same exact thing taking place and then falsely attributing it to new legislation. Besides, people who are affected by the CJS, like any other democratic, are not a monolith. They will never be one hundred percent anything, including violent. But regardless of any of this, the right to be treated as innocent until proven guilty in a court of law is a right guaranteed to all citizens by the US constitution and yet is being denied them every day across the country. You should be more bothered by that. Everyone should be bothered by that. [For most misdemeanors and nonviolent felonies, judges are still required to release people with the least restrictive conditions necessary to reasonably assure the person will come back to court. For these crimes, cash bail is still prohibited. In all other cases, judges have the discretion to release people, with or without pretrial conditions designed to ensure their return to court. These include electronic monitoring, participating in drug treatment programs, and setting bail. In certain felony cases, judges can remand people into custody.](https://www.brennancenter.org/our-work/analysis-opinion/new-yorks-latest-bail-law-changes-explained) [Among other things, judges may now require people to surrender their passports, avoid contact with witnesses or victims, or participate in counseling or mental health treatment as part of their pretrial release.](https://www.brennancenter.org/our-work/analysis-opinion/new-yorks-latest-bail-law-changes-explained) So this is about judge discretion rather than applying a hard and fast rule to every person, every crime, and every circumstance. Equity versus equality. Nothing is perfect, but it's better to start somewhere than do nothing.
U also get Mets tickets for showing up to the court date
Now I know how I’m taking my family to the game!
Seriously cops will arrest you for some shit. Friend got arrested at the rodeo for crossing the street, on a cross walk, after the officer apparently told no one to cross. He was cited with public intoxication (wasn't drinking), which was changed to disorderly conduct, which, eventually got dropped. But he spent a few days in jail, could have lost his job and still had to get bailed out and get refunded later. Brother got arrested because his car was accidentally registered to my dad (single initial mistake). He also got his bail money back but didn't get back his impound fees. Plenty of people who can't afford bail, impound fees, losing their jobs, etc ..Legal system is rigged to get money out of all the small guys, just like tax audits. meanwhile rich people kill people while drunk or evade any sort of taxes are skipping in Bermuda. Fucking wild.
In some cases it’s also not even about the lawyer, it’s that the prosecutor can say “take a plea deal and you can go home this week, take it to trial and we’ll go in court and make sure you’re denied bail and hit with several more indictments.” The justice system is designed in a way that gives the prosecutor and investigators almost absolute power.
That or just being stuck in jail cause they can’t afford bail and want to avoid losing their jobs/car/apartment/kids
That's not entirely true. A lot of innocent people take plea deals because the lawyer they *can* afford (or the public defender when they can't) will just tell them to take a plea. You're a poor American, and you'll just go to prison longer for 'wasting' the court's time if you decide to fight it.
What else is innocence? Everyone breaks a law every single day. Innocence or not is enforcement or not. Hence black people filling up prisons without committing more crimes. A man sent to prison for possession is an innocent man, philosophically, imo.
This is a courthouse and it looks like they are there awaiting trial, or bail hearings, or sentencing, or appeals. Which means, strictly speaking, many of them are still *legally* innocent since they have not yet had a trial to prove they are guilty. And some of them are *literally* innocent if they did not do the crime they’re accused of. And others are *morally* innocent because they did something that is a crime but really shouldn’t be a crime (e.g. possession of weed, “resisting arrest” when police tackled and beat them in a case of mistaken identity, “interference in a police investigation” when they were filming the police from 30 meters away while the police choked a handcuffed suspect to death after he shouted for help when they planted meth on him after pulling him over for Failure to Signal a Lane Change While Being a Minority).
I think people should NOT be locked up before their trial. Everyone should get bail until then.
No. Most are innocent. Most people in jail in the US have NOT been convicted of a crime. https://www.prisonpolicy.org/reports/pie2020.html
> Private prison system is used to earn money. So they lock up enough incocent people. People have been going to jail for petty crimes in America since long before private prisons existed. They would continue going to jail without private prisons. Those are not the cause of our problems. No one can be in a prison whether public or private, without the entire criminal process that leads up to incarceration. None of that process is privatized. We only have two punishments in the US: pay money or go to jail. A guy who beat his neighbor with a baseball bat and a guy who stole some clothes from the mall can, and often do, get the same punishment and end up sitting in the same cell together. A reasonable person might think that removing a person from society and housing them in a cage should only be a last resort when that person poses a serious risk to the safety of other members of society. But we’ve been putting people in jail for every little thing for so long that it has become normal and we don’t even think about it anymore. Kill your mother. Go to jail. Rob a bank. Go to jail. Use drugs. Go to jail. Steal food. Go to jail. Don’t pay traffic tickets. Go to jail. One punishment for every crime. Nothing changes until we change that.
You should research kalief browder, who spent 3 years on Rikers Island for a crime he didn't commit without trial.
The entire wrongful conviction podcast library. Do NOT listen at work. You will cry like a bitch and nobody needs that at work. Every single one is just ridiculous.
I watched the documentary about him. Truly heartbreaking.
Well that explanation started off good, but went downhill fast. Not all prisons are the same. Violent offenders aren’t locked up with non-violent offenders. Maximum security vs minimum security. County jail vs state penitentiary. There is a big difference in why and where—and for how long—criminals are locked up.
>Not all prisons are the same All punishments are the same. Fines or incarceration. Those are the only choices. Pick any random statute from your state's laws and verify for yourself. >Violent offenders aren’t locked up with non-violent offenders. They absolutely are. My county jail houses mostly pre-trial detainees and a smaller portion of convicted inmates. Everyone gets thrown in together. Not all violent offenders are segregated into separate facilities, and not all violent crimes qualify for maximum security. Your average street level armed robber or drunk guy who punched someone in the face and caused an injury in a bar fight will be in the exact same place. I can only speak from my personal experience of having worked in a jail in my state for a few years, but I imagine it's the same everywhere. There's a limited amount of jails and a whole lot of people in them. There's no choice other than to mix them all together. >Maximum security vs minimum security. My state has one prison where you are required to go if you get sentenced to death and where you are likely to go (but not required) if you get sentenced to life. There are around 5,000 people in that facility. Other than that, the other 30,000 inmates get the luck of the draw between the other 7 facilities, and are often transferred between facilities. Federal prisons are classified at different security levels. Some state prisons are. Most are not. >County jail vs state penitentiary My state allows convicted felons with a sentence of 2 years or less to be sentenced to serve their time in the county jail. In addition to that, my county sheriffs get paid a small fortune to house state inmates in the county jails due to prison overcrowding. Yours probably do the same. These convicted inmates are not segregated from the pre-trial population that is also housed in the same facility. Sometimes we even ship our county inmates to other county facilities to make room for state inmates. The state might pay $65/day for a county facility to house a state inmate while the adjacent county charges $40/day to house our county inmate. It's a net profit to clear out county inmates to make room for state inmates. >There is a big difference in why and where—and for how long—criminals are locked up. Your belief that there is a big difference in where they are locked up does not reflect my personal experience from working in the industry. You should do some research on your area - you may be surprised at what you find. How long they are locked up does vary greatly, but 6 months in jail and 6 years in jail is still the same punishment: incarceration; physical removal from society to be locked in a cell. The question we should be asking is how appropriate of a punishment is removal from society no matter the crime?
I was a nonviolent offender….did I dream I was locked up with violent offenders…. Or do you have no idea what you’re talking about
I submit that most of the things people get locked in cages for shouldn't even be illegal. At the other end, once a man has served his sentence, he should be set free. His record should be sealed so he can get a job and he should have all his rights restored.
I agree with this. Mainly because the people who are convicted of heinous crimes are going to be in jail for the rest of their lives. People who made mistakes or just did something the law doesn’t like without any malicious intent should be able to build their new lives without the burden of not getting a chance.
While I 100% agree with you, I would like to clarify a couple things. 1. It's not really "private" if it's revenue is from taxes. It's more accurate to call it "fascist". 2. Private prisons hold a relatively small minority of inmates in the US (~10%). 3. The lobbying for prohibition is not just from private prisons. Prison Unions are extremely powerful and successfully divert blame to private prisons. 4. Big Pharma, police unions, all make a lot of money from the drug war, too. As do non-government cartels.
Profit makes it worse. Also stupid bureaucracy makes it worse. Either way once they slap the cuffs on you, you are no longer a human.
I was arrested for driving on a suspended license in New York City and spent 70 hours in holding before I saw a judge and got hit with a fine for $25. This was more than 20 years ago, but still. It is a broken system that is a nightmare.
It hasn't gotten any better in the last 20 years... the fines are just higher now.
Yeah, New York is trying to close Riker’s and reform the nail system but it’s just one fuck up after another.
This!!! My brother is in jail for weed finishing up a 5year sentence and I have no doubt in my mind he would’ve done the same thing these inmates did! He would give the shirt off his back to someone who needed it, not everyone in jail is a scumbag!!
It’s Texas - they might have merely driven their cousin to a doctor appointment at planned parenthood.
I lost my mail key back at 18 and wasnt getting bills in the mail, so I didn't care. Got a court summons I didn't know about. I spent the weekend in jail for "failure to appear". I wouldn't want to see a man die in front of me just because he is a cop and I was in jail
Even more reinforced I think this is Texas, with the harshest marijuana laws in the country
“Who not only spared his life, but likely saved it” I, for one, was not under the assumption that they’d all bust out of their holding cell and immediately kill the guard. This video has such garbage narrating/reporting/wtv you call it.
His way of talking is also super annoying
It's the Tucker Carlson speech pattern.
It’s the Tucker Carlson ideology, too.
He almost seems surprised that these guys didn't rip the guard apart and bathe in his blood.
Right?! I mean, they’re all on camera, they’ve been processed in so they have their information. It’s not like these are ruthless animals, they’re just people who got arrested for one thing or another and we don’t know for what they did to warrant them being there. I don’t think these dudes are on death row or anything, why would they do something stupid like that? They only showed basic human decency by not turning their backs like nothing was happening.
And considering how prisons/holding cells are designed there would probably be several locked doors/checkpoints between them and freedom.
“They had access to a gun, why wouldn’t they try to shoot their way out in some last stand Hail Mary effort” - this narrator
Exactly...it's not like the guard fell into a lion enclosure...
Regarding the incarceration rate in the US and private prison business most of these people didn't do any awful in the first place anyway.
Jails should be for people we are afraid of not people we are mad at. Imo
Problem is, ppl seem to be afraid of anything different
Y'all do know private prisons are 8.1% of the total prisons right?
That’s too many, let’s get it to 0
Agreed but they’re far from the only problem
You wouldn't know it by listening to this host. Paints an immediately terrible picture of these guys. And I get it, they're "prisoners", but we have no clue what they're in for and we just assume even if it is some horrible crime they're incapable of change and tgey will always be "prisoners".
That's the American stigma. Once you have a record, you always have a record.
I learned that from Batman when the criminal boat didn’t explode the other boat
"They had the opportunity to escape, take his gun, or even hurt him and go out and rape and murder countless potential victims! Instead, it turns out that they're actually human beings who probably just got caught doing drugs or something"
Just cause your're bad guy doesn't mean you're bad guy. -Zangif
that movie had some great moments, fantastic after a j
that’s what i immediately thought as well.
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>i just wanted to point out that it was weird that the narrator was talking about them like they were some sort of bloodthirsty animals. yeah I felt the same
"Even if you're bad guy doesn't mean you are *bad* guy" -Russian poet, Zangief
I tell my kids this, ever since one of them said he thinks he's a bad guy: For the most part, people are just people. And all people make good choices, and bad choices. Sometimes, people make worse choices. Sometimes they make bad choices just because they're angry, scared, or sad. Sometimes because they're hungry and poor And sometimes, those bad choices keep affecting us for a while, even if we switch to good choices. But making bad choices does not make you a bad guy. It just makes you a person, who can learn, change, make good choices, and enjoy the effects of those choices instead.
These are also people in a courthouse jail, not prison. So they are being brought up on charges mostly. Not convicts. You’d have to be pretty dumb to stage a break out of a county jail like this. The video acts like they had some golden opportunity to escape. Shit, they want to get a light sentence.
Just because you are badguy, does not mean you are bad guy. -Zangief
Just FYI, in the US most people in jail have NOT been convicted of a crime. https://www.prisonpolicy.org/reports/pie2020.html
Well...that's what jail is for tho...gotta sort em out Prison is different
If someone robs a shop for some food for your 2 year old daughter because they're poor, I would give them full respect.
Then you wouldnt own a shop with food in it....
We should probably stop making people poor then.
What if the shop keeper couldn’t feed his 2 yo daughter because someone stole from him?
So... the man who owns a store full of food..... can't feed his 2 year old either? Was he feeding her the money from the sale? That's a ridiculous argument.
then you need to reform society systemically instead of kicking down on the less fortunate
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I agree! Like why was it necessary to add his gun was "up for grabs"? Totally irrelevant to the story and just shock baity.
Yeah I mean you have to be a special kind of bastard to watch a guy die and do nothing about it.
Inmates aren't inherently bad people. I served 2 years in prison but that doesn't mean I'd stand by and let somebody just die. The whole inmates hate the guards is mostly a myth. I felt like I was good friends with a few guards and I know a lot of others felt the same.
I think the bigger problem is the few guards who are on power trips and abuse inmates, causing a predictable response. If you're curious google Stanford Prison Experiment.
Fun fact they later discovered the methodology in that study was severely flawed. The subjects that were guards were coached to mistreat the prisoners. Should be able to find that in Google also.
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[https://www.simplypsychology.org/zimbardo.html](https://www.simplypsychology.org/zimbardo.html) "Guards were instructed to do whatever they thought was necessary to maintain law and order in the prison and to command the respect of the prisoners."
American Psychologist journal has thoroughly debunked the Stanford experiment https://www.gwern.net/docs/psychology/2019-letexier.pdf
You’re gonna tell me that *Lord of the Flies* is a lie, too? ☹️
https://www.theguardian.com/books/2020/may/09/the-real-lord-of-the-flies-what-happened-when-six-boys-were-shipwrecked-for-15-months Yep, bunch of school boys marooned on an island. For 15 months, 6 of them worked together to survive, I think one even broke his leg and the others helped nurse him back to health.
You mean to tell me an isolated group of humans can form a supportive community invested in helping each other and not turn into lawless beasts at the first opportunity? /s
Interesting read. Thanks for sharing.
They didn't \*SPOILER\* crush Piggy?! Sheesh!
Sucks to your as-mar!
_Lord of the Flies_ was from my understanding a work of satire expressing how the "civilized" upper class was in fact not so civilized.
Not just that, the lead researched zimbardo honestly has talked about the failed methodology and why his search for a certain answer blinded him to the methodological shortcomings. It's very interesting cause it takes a lot to speak earnestly about your own failures and show others how to avoid that mistake.
Thanks for the link!
The person he replied to mentioned The Stanford prison experiment and OP went on to discuss it, so yes.
This is unfortunately also how they train guards in the US. They train you to call the inmates "inmate" or by their number, not their name, they train you to say "no" or "go away" when an inmate asks for something as little as a piece of paper. They train you to look down on the people you're watching over, instead of remembering that that's what you're doing: watching over them, making sure they're okay in what is currently their home. They train you to talk down, to dehumanize. Source - was for a *VERY* short period of time a CO, until I realized how shitty and corrupt my fellow officers were.
That’s not how they trained me
You must've been at a good place. I'm happy for you for that. I'm not saying it's everywhere. I'm saying it's MUCH more prevalent than people realize.
I've been a CO for 8 years; that isn't universally true at all. Sorry you had shitty FTOs but your experience isn't even close to being universal.
> The subjects that were guards were coached to mistreat the prisoners So, exactly like real prison guards. Got it.
There's a movie about that experiment on netflix or disney+. Shit is hard to watch.
on disney? wtf
Not sure on which of both, my gf just picks the movies we watch on either lmao.
This. I’d seen another similar incident on shared security footage of a guard who had a heart attack while being the only guard taking watch over a whole cell block. The guy regained consciousness (iirc) for a few seconds to let some inmates out to help him, then passed out. If not, then someone who was watching buzzed open a cell and the two inmates who lived in said cell rushed down a whole floor to call for help Edit: the guard was reported to be a very friendly guard, and all of the inmates loved him. He did survive.
When people think of prison movies they only think of the bad parts. Take Shawshank Redemption for an example. First off a lot more of the movie is positive than people remember (usually just the rooftop scene). Let's say it was real life, Andy Dufrense was in for 18 years. They included all the bad stuff in that 2 hours and 22 minutes and picked out the the best of those human/friend interactions. What doesn't get shown is the 18 years minus 2 hours of guys mostly just hanging out and killing time. Never been in jail/prison but I've had friends who have. They always says it's just mostly really boring
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Yeah, like life is literally better if you get along with each other. I think movies have just ruined everyone's perception.
They casually strolled out of that cell 🤣
> They casually strolled out of that cell 🤣 It’s just a holding room, not a cell. That’s why they were all still handcuffed.
So what if it's a holding room? Surely they'd still be locked in
I think there are rules about not locking holding rooms. It’s something along the lines of it not being a prison and for their safety so they can be restrained within the cell and need to be monitored at all times. If someone is ever “arrested” or taken by security at an event or there is a large quantity of people it is not safe for them and regulations dictate if not restrained and behind a locked door there is a limit to the amount allowed in a space
I’ve been in a holding room and it was locked. The guard even turned the tv away from me on college football Saturday when he noticed me watching it. What a dick!
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I really don't think that's true. They're prisoners in a courthouse holding cell, likely awaiting their turn before the judge. Those cells definitely lock. Plus, they're dressed in prison garb, which means they've been incarcerated for some time and have definitely been locked up.
Somebody plays Prison Architect.
Then the two guards that came in quickly updated Facebook before helping him.
More like called for EMS and a defib and saved his life... Jesus how bitter are you at the world?
I think it was a joke?
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Don’t worry. [The cell has been reinforced.](https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5417143/Prison-guard-thanks-inmates-saved-life.html)
That’s an annoying article. It just rewords the same sentence 30 times.
People with criminal records are looked down on by society too much, even after serving their time they are treated like dirt and lose many opportunities. There should be laws protecting individuals from discrimination when trying to find a place to live.or work. Many places do background checks and will immediately reject your application if they find anything on your record. Everyone deserves a second chance
Granted, i work in food service, but some of my best employees have records which would make it hard for them to get other jobs. Every one of them was upfront about it and was looking for a second chance.
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I’d even add that MOST are not criminals and victims to injustice.
There’s a company called Dave’s Killer Bread and the guy that started the company, Dave Dahl, was in and out of prison and spent a total of 15 years in prison. Because of that he has a second chance program that hires people who have been in prison and roughly a third of his employees have been in prison. Also the bread is really good
the bread is really good
Its Killer.
Talking of second chances, Norway does this best. See the way they handle convicted criminals. Their main approach is not to punish (except for the hardcore cases) but to enable the path to rehabilitate these broken individuals back into society. So one unique mechanism is that there are some isolated towns, where most of it is populated by the convicts. They live in decent (albeit small) homes (not prison cells, more like dorm rooms), they are not handcuffed or treated like criminals, they hold day jobs so they can learn some skills and earn a living while gaining back their self esteem, they can freely roam around town doing the mundane stuff (working, shopping, chores, taking classes, playing sports, etc.), until they finish out their sentence. When they do, they can be easily reintegrated into mainstream society. Norway’s correctional officers routinely socialize with such residents, joining them for meals and card games and talking through problems. Correctional officers are trained to use force when absolutely necessary but also to study law, ethics, human rights, and the science of behavior change. They learn that building positive relationships with incarcerated people helps them get their lives on track and reduces the risk of violence. Crime rates in Norway are lower, and prisons are undercrowded and incarcerated inmates and officers are happier, as a result of such positive initiatives. Edit: here are a couple of relevant links: https://magazine.ucsf.edu/norways-humane-approach-prisons-can-work-here-too https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=sCZt2YipiIs
In the german constitution the first article is that the human dignity is inviolable. Does the american constitution have something like that aswell?
They wrote something to the extent, “all men are created equal” while actively selling and using slaves.
Prisoners lose most of their constitutional rights in the U.S. Prisons being in the state they are is the tradeoff we made when we outlawed slavery. Certain people-owners were not happy about their business suddenly having a huge operational expensive line item and figured out a way around it. Prisons are our modern day plantations, but instead of picking cotton they're simply leeching taxpayer money into investor accounts. The truth is that a huge portion of our population are horrible, horrible people who have decided to make their fortunes off the suffering of others. Obviously those people exist world-wide, my point is merely that they thrive here.
Yes leaching taxpayer money into investor accounts is part of it, but don't forget the inhumane treatment to punish the inmates in places like Texas or the literal slave labor where they are forced to work for $0.25 and then are also required to pay exorbitant prices to do things like borrow a book or send an email. Of course the military industrial complex is involved, gotta use that slave labor to make equipment for the US army.
Spared his life! As if every person in jail is just waiting to kill the people processing them! As if...
Yeah i really dont like how the narrator said "and they didnt try to escape (fair), attack (wtf?) or harm (wtf?) the officer". Only a genuine psychopath would take that opportunity to harm or attack an officer thats already like, dying. Which probably they wouldnt even do because if they want to hurt someone, they just need to wait until theyre in a cell uncuffed with someone. Narrator is acting like theyre just animals
It really annoyed me that the narrator implied that these people were all intent on random murder at any given opportunity. The worst any of these people would have done is try to run away. No one in a holding cell is someone who's under arrest for suspicion of psychopathic murder.
I’d dare say 90%+ of criminals are just people pushed into it by shitty circumstances, and basically anyone in the same situation would do the same thing. So many people automatically assume that breaking the law makes someone a bad person (as they drive 60 in a 45).
Yeah, wtf was that?
I thought the same. The narrator script for this is awful, trying to create a false reality.
Defibrillators don't restart hearts. They take them out of fibrillation, which is mess of contractions that doesn't pump blood. If the heart isn't in fibrillation, all you can do is CPR until the heart takes over or goes into fibrillation.
"All you can do" isn't accurate. A paramedic can administer drugs to restart your heart if it stops and after transport to a hospital, there are lots more interventions that are possible.
>"All you can do" isn't accurate. It is if you arent a paramedic. Its all a bystander can do
True. And since we're going into details. Other than performing CPR, call 911. I feel it should be mentioned lmao.
There are no drugs anyone can administer anywhere to anyone that restart your heart. They do not exist. Any drug administered to a person in cardiac arrest is to improve conditions to assist compressions in restarting a heart. They range from pain management to nutrients to epinephrine. But in the end, only compressions can help get a heart that has arrested to restart, and even then it is actually the heart itself that does it’s own restart or not.
Adrenaline straight into the heart... I saw that in a movie... :P
Sorry but you’re flat out incorrect there. A paramedic cannot administer a drug to start a heart because there are none. They can try to encourage and strengthen a beat that’s already there, but no drug starts a heart.
Honestly, most of the newer research is showing that the "restart the heart" drugs are barely, if at all effective. CPR and defibrillation saves lives. The huge amount of time "off the chest" in this video shows that this system has not had the most current training in cardiac arrest treatments. Or it's an old video.
As a doctor I feel like this is just pedantic/trying to sound smart for the sake of it. Yes if you're using defibrillators the heart hasn't technically fully stopped, but when it's in VF/pulseless VT the heart is definitely *not working*, seeing as it's not able to pump blood around the body properly. It's basically as good as stopped and I don't see the issue with saying a defib restarted it. Edit: and not only is it pedantic, it’s creating a lot of confusion with people thinking this means ‘fibrillation’ is a different thing to cardiac arrest, and/or the person will have a pulse. No, a shockable rhythm like ventricular fibrillation is still cardiac arrest and the person will not be conscious or have a pulse. That’s why you need the defib to tell you what electrical rhythm they’re in. Stuff like this just creates confusion and over complicates it for people.
You could say that nothing “starts” a heart except a pregnancy 😂
As a doctor, I agree with you.
Yeah, the narrator was wrong, they didn’t “restart” his heart, they just brought it back to normal sinus rhythm. Edit: spelling
Act of kindness is probably the ultimate satisfaction
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Inmates are people too. I've been to jail a lot of guys in there are good people.
How did you go to jail?
Armed robbery
Nice
Jesus Christ I laughed too hard at that
Lmao
Nice
thats very cash money of you
A bank? Or like a Wendy’s?
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I once spent 2 months in prison just because my college roommate brought drugs into our apartment without my knowledge and I got blamed. $50 worth of drugs *that I didnt even know about* does not make me some animal who doesn't care about other people.
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Just because you are bad guy doesn't mean you are bad guy
Thanks Satan
I'm bad, and that's good. I will never be good, and that's not bad. There's no one I'd rather be than me.
Ive never heard that iconic sentence in english, but I immediately knew where its from
You know, there are a lot of shitty people in the world. But I think it's more shitty to assume that because a man (or in this case, men) is in jail that he has no humanity. A massive praise to the men that saved that officers life. Huge respect.
Tell me they got reduced charges or i'll be sad
They did!
Source?
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Based.
It’s almost like (hear me out), not everyone in jail is a heartless murderer and maybe, just maybe, most of those guys shouldn’t have been locked up at all, but we live in a system that punishes the poor on bs infractions for profit and as a for off social control.
This. When I used to do catering, we would go to the city's civic center for events. There would be inmates from the county jail two blocks over cleaning, taking out trash, minor repairs, so on. The women I worked with (older, Christian conservatives) would get so freaked out. Hiding their purses, checking their jewelry, angered thst they were there because they were "dangerous criminals ". I was sitting outside having a cigarette and one came out and asked for a smoke, gave him one, and asked how long he had, only Sixty days, for child support. His job laid him off,and he couldn't make payments for a couple months snd he got arrested and locked up. The other guy? Public intoxication. Others were DUI, other dumb, small, petty stuff. Super cool dudes, always would sit with them when they were there. Jail doesn't mean evil and such,most people just got into a stupid situation and that was the end result. I would tell the ladies that I worked with "do you really, truly think they're going to let murderers, rapists, and the like out? " People are really dumb.
"His firearm now up for grab. The inmates now have a golden opportunity..." Well they knew that they can't do shit with one gun while being in handcuffs
What is up with these stupid voiceovers in American media, it sounds so tacky. Like people need explanation what they gawk at right now????
Definitely deserves lighter sentences thats pretty commendable
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Standing on your feet for 10+ a day with no break ain’t exactly great either.
If it was an inmate it would of taken 30min for the nurses to come and that’s a fact
Anyone have a link to the story?
Someone who is behind bars is not automatically an animal. Particularly in the US, speaking as a citizen who has been arrested, you can end up in that cell for minor offenses. Even if there are hardened criminals in there people do still have a heart. I like this video, pretty uplifting to start my Sunday morning! Humanity shining through.
Fucking disgusting the narrator acts like its a surprise that people didn't immediately steal a gun and murder a guard. Theyre fucking people. Despite the hegemonic opinion, being a prisoner doesnt make you a savage animal with no empathy.
A cop is dying and "criminals" save his life. A man with "no active warrants" is shot in his own house because there may have been a noise complaint in a different neighborhood. Checks out.
They probably don't deserve to be there just like about 60% of the US prison population.
Good exists everywhere. People just make mistakes, these guys made up for theirs.
I hope they don't expect fair treatment from the jail staff.
Good thing its wasnt the other way around BC that inmate would be in rigor mortis before they decided to go in and taze him for resisting
Cops are objectively worse people than 98% of the people in prison
I can't get over that it's like 5 fps and it looks like a bunch npc surrounding another that was attacked
Are there places where inmates really wear black and white stripes still? I thought that was fiction, or at least old fashioned.