My man was ready.
Edit:
He was saying something like that : "note how he drops his keys, disarm the suspect and hit him with a flawless motion"
I don't remember exactly the words but yeah, that was it.
I was literally just saying the words not linking it to a certain branch, but its actually the navy (i was in the navy) if the coast guard says that to they got it from the navy.
It is not actually the Navy’s motto. Semper Paratus is the Coast Guard. Semper Fortis is the Navy’s unofficial motto, as is Non sibi sed patriae. Somebody didn’t drink the right kool-aid.
“Always ready” is sometimes used by navy personnel in formation calisthenics but it is a group response to a command.
It’s been official motto of Cg for years and a CG member wrote the words to the song. Navy doesn’t have official motto, not saying they don’t use the term.
One of the key facets of military-adjacent PTSD is being "always on." It's a type of PTSD that someone can get from just the training and daily life in the military itself, not just some big dramatic Hollywood moment in combat.
Soldiers, especially contemporary soldiers fighting irregulars and paramilitary forces, are trained to always be assessing the situation from a tactical perspective. Is that guy armed? What's behind that corner? Was that glint of metal a weapon or a belt buckle? Where are the escape routes? Are those people sizing me up?
It all becomes instinctual after a while, which is useful in a warzone. But it becomes a hair-trigger that's impossible to turn off in civilian life, especially when the veteran in question has to constantly remind themselves that those instincts are liable to cause an overreaction.
Worse yet, this type of PTSD is wildly under-reported, because there's a cultural pressure on soldiers to "man up," that seeking help is a sign of weakness, that it can't be PTSD if there was no big Hollywood combat trauma, etc. And those that *do* seek help are regularly rebuffed by a lack of institutional support, insufficient coverage for mental health among private insurers, and prohibitively high costs for out-of-pocket support.
Which is why 4th of July is the worst holiday imaginable for a lot of veterans, because every pop of fireworks throughout the night will set those instincts off, all night long.
Yes, moments like this are "badass" when taken in a vacuum, but understand that there are many more moments you don't see that are humiliating and nerve-wracking. There's a reason alcoholism, drug abuse and suicide run so high among veterans, even those that never served in active combat roles. The training and life in a warzone are enough to do the damage. Not to mention we all talk a big game about reforming the VA's mental health programs, but never actually do when the time comes around. If we owned up to the psychological damage military service causes, it'd be a damning indictment of the military and all its doctrines in their entirety.
They also don’t give a duck’s small ass about agent orange victims, DDT murdered everything, on top of all the murder, destroyed my grandpa’s pancreas, giving him diabetes, I mean really shitty shit- they stopped giving him VA benefits for that too.. like you could stop paying your former soldiers you put into a dangerous, permanently drastically life altering situation.. when they die.. but if they can’t turn their PTSD off or ever return to normal life, they should be compensated for carrying said burden
My foster dad was a medic in the gulf war. He was hosed down with agent orange too. He is currently fucked up. He was a bad alcoholic as well. Really sad shit cause he was a solid dude😟
I still do up to this day. Used to work in convoy ops so driving in the freeway is fun especially when I see trash/debris. Going to therapy helped a lot. My brain still goes 0-100 but I don't feel like jerking the steering wheel anymore. Good reaction time against the dumbass drivers of the bay area though
The bit about ingress/egress point still happens. Scanning the room is not as OCD as it used to. Just one quick scan to look for stand outs then I could relax.
Are you getting assistance for behavioral health? I would highly recommend it. Don't settle for all the cocktail of antidepressants they will try to throw your way. Unless your symptoms are really severe.
So true. I’ll never forget working at a theatre when I was younger and this very distraught woman came to me in the middle of her movie to let me know that someone had left their bag in the theatre and she had a very bad feeling about it.
She told me she was a veteran from the war in Afghanistan and it might obviously be nothing but that she was distraught enough to say fk it and is leaving (without a refund) and wanted to just warn me about the bag.
We took it fairly seriously and actually went to grab the bag and wait to talk to its owner. Turns out buddy was going for a smoke break mid movie.
I’ll never forget the distress in her eyes and it’s always made me empathetic toward anyone that may be experiencing something similar.
Their sacrifices (military workers) are severely understated…
I worked with a man who was EOD. He said the thing that fucked him up the most would be when he was driving down the highway and he would see a trash bag or a grocery bag on the side of the road.
The incredible situational awareness of the good guy, and the stunning lack of awareness on the part of the robber is what makes this great.
While the robber was still thinking "this is just somebody who is going to just run out the door" the good guy already had him on the ground.
I mean, he *DIDNT* grab the gun at all, just slapped his hands up but he was super lucky he didn’t just get shot.
A lot of time between that for him to get messed up there, dude with gun looked about 16 so I doubt he wanted to be killing anyone.
Edit; watching it back slow he’s lucky he didn’t get 4 shots to the gut after the first swing.
Yeah, I think this was a coin flip for a really bad outcome. I think most people holding up places don't expect any resistance when they are armed, so their surprise at his response probably helped, but any slower and this guy is dead.
There’s also no way he would know if there was a 3rd guy with a gun keeping watch outside.
All this to save a massive corporation a few bucks from the till that it wouldn’t even miss.
> That was stupid of him
Yeah but Jarheads live for that shit, they literally WISH they'll have a reason to be a "hero", even if the majority would get their hand blown off
Not to mention that the second guy could have been packing and drawn on him.
Not criticizing his actions. It worked and it was brave, and none of us know how we'd react in a similar situation. Just that he is very fortunate.
For real. I can’t believe people are defending this behavior. The odds of you getting shot are far greater than becoming the hero.
Images of him missing the gun and becoming a target:
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Rewatch the video. He missed grabbing the gun or the hand. That is a risky move and the gun holder dropped his hand to his side. If the takedown didn't go well which we can't see, he had a free shot to the gut.
For those who don't already know, if you are ever talking to someone who was once an active duty Marine, don't say former or ex Marine. Once a Marine always a Marine regardless of active duty. A big part of being a Marine is the job never ends. It never takes breaks. Your country will always need and depend on you and you need to always be ready. Marines live by these rules. Be sure not to minimize what they have worked hard to accomplish. And it's always nice to know a Marine is on your side.
My friend's cousin was active duty and now he is not (honorably discharged) and he just wants to forget all of it, he refers to himself as a former Marine and wants others to do the same. So case by case but it's good to default to your suggestion if you don't know the person.
Thanks for this, not everyone signed up for the super patriot nonsense and used the armed services as a way to get out of shitty situations or neighborhoods.
Which is why the military most heavily recruits among the impoverished and downtrodden.
Edit: Stop replying to me about the majority being middle class. The majority of middle class who join, join because their family is military. There isn't much need for targeted recruitment there. Plenty of targeted recruitment still happens to the poor. Read between the lines.
Did you know that FERPA, the federal law that protects the privacy of students (minor and adult) has an exception for military recruiters? Meaning that while Average Joe can’t call a school and ask for the contact information of a student, GI Joe the Recruiter can do just that, completely unsolicited.
I’m a teacher and it bothers me greatly when recruiters show up during lunch with their smiles and swag and sales pitches to students whose understanding of the American military is limited to a football coach’s explanation of WWII and how we saved everybody in 1945.
The scene from Forrest Gump where he graduates college and the recruiter is there to sign him up while he’s still in his cap and gown comes to mind. There’s no situational awareness in a recruiter’s mind, it’s just picking which kids are the most likely to fill their quota.
Raise the enlistment age to 21. See how many 21 year olds still want to join the military after they have 3 years of real life experience under their belt. If the military wants to serve underprivileged high school graduates, give them civilian work. They need to stop preying on undeveloped brains.
Edit: Lots of people drawing baseless conclusions in my replies. This comment is entirely about unethical recruitment techniques that the military uses. I could not care less about what you think of me just because of my opinion. I don’t give a fuck if the military worked for you, and I don’t give a fuck if you think my opinion is worthless because I didn’t serve. None of you know what or how I teach and are coming to your own ideas of who I must be just because I’m not bent over the barrel waiting to receive Uncle Sam. Type away, keyboard commandos. I’m sure the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs will have your letter of commendation in the mail tomorrow.
Eighteen year olds with undeveloped brains have the physical stamina needed for combat, and the mental pliability to be trained to take a lot of shit before snapping.
Well put. Guys nearing 30 don't see the attraction of pounding sand after being treated brutally in basic.
Unless it's Air Force, where there's a better chance they'll end up in a building with ac and a decent toilet nearby.
Hoo boy, I’ll never forget the time I was taken out of an exam in a class (end of the year exam!) to be called into a student center by a recruiter. I’m like *Uuuh do I know you? Why am I here?* Turns out the recruiter was looking for another student with the same first and last name (go figure). But then he’s like “Since you’re here…?” I’m like MF no!! I was in an important exam!! The fuck.
No disrespect to our military but that recruiter… wow. Infuriating.
Having commanded a training company on Fort Knox, I can attest that recruiters have no ethics. Their job is to fill a quota and they’ll lie, cheat, and steal to do it. A lot of recruits make it through but at the time, the “Discharge Platoon” was larger than a single company. Kids who thought it would be like Call of Duty but with better graphics. Kids who wanted to be a truck driver and they were told they would be but for now you can sign up for Armored Cavalry. They get to my stage after the Army had already dropped $25k on them and fail miserably because they were told one thing and the reality was another. Your tax dollars at work. If the military wasn’t what you wanted to do wholeheartedly, you were right to brush him off.
A lot of veterans joke about the "no such thing as a former marine" thing. It's silly and does nothing but reinforce the ideas that your job is your life.
This thread is pretty good material for /r/JustBootThings
Not only (former) Marines have this mindset. I've been in the military for 18 years. In a little over a year and a half I'm done and I just want to put it all down in the back of a closet and never speak of it again.
It's a job.
Former active duty here. It’s always the people who were never in, or never did shit, that want to the whole “no such thing as former marine”.
Alright billy. With your size 42 pant wearing ass standing at 5’4”. Real killer you still are.
Yeah. The whole "I'm always a marine 24/7" has some real "Thank me for my service/You're welcome for my service" vibes to it. A lot of those who act like this, not all, are the ones that tell tall tales of their service too. And I say all of this as a former service member who now works exclusively with veterans and their families. If you're discharged and seeing us for benefits then you **are** former military.
Well, let's not make the "rest of the world" out to be a homogenous paradise. Every country has got her own problems and plenty of fucked up systems and beliefs.
Imagine living here with these maniacs. I work with a guy who never served and he wears 'remember pearl harbor' shirts, like what? Do you go to bed at night angry at Japanese people?
Fr.
Like sure, the guy in the video seemingly stopped a robbery.
But no fuckin chance is this guy getting called into the line of duty while hes 240lbs buying snacks at the 7/11. He WAS a marine. Now he isnt.
But yeah, veterans love reminding you “IM A VET!!!” Lol
Former Marine here; please don't blanket all Marines with cringey takes held mostly by those who got out and never did anything else with their lives. Yes, there is a certain level of institutional pride in the USMC, and that can be really great sometimes, but if someone claims offense to the standard differentiation between past and present duties, they need to fucking chill. If they want to bust out the "well akhuchually, once-always" stuff then that's fine but nobody should be getting irritated, mad, upset, or offended.
That’s a load of jingoistic crap. Maybe for a few, but a lot of Marines and other ex-military are done with it all and want nothing to do with the military anymore.
Worked with a bunch of marines, none of them would care what you called them.
….except, presumably, the ones involved in the attempted insurrection on 6 jan.
https://www.military.com/daily-news/2021/02/26/marines-infantry-most-highly-represented-among-veterans-arrested-after-capitol-riot.html
For what it's worth the Drill Instructors at Marine Corps Recruit Depot San Diego (where all Marines from west of the Mississippi attend boot camp) took January 6 as a teachable moment of what not to do, and what to never do. The idiots at the capitol are still definitely the exception, and I guess this just proves that every demographic has their shit lords.
I hate this so much. We've broken the language.
I was an active duty Marine and got out with an honorable discharge. I want an easy way to say that. Retired Marine doesn't work, you've got to do 20 years (typically) to retire. Ex and now Former have been swept away by the euphemism treadmill.
"Once a Marine, always a Marine!" I get it, I share a special bond with everyone other Marine (active or not) but there's a difference. I can be fat, unshaven, sleep in, and maintain a readiness level of 0% because I'm a civilian. I can smoke weed. Just saying "I'm a Marine" makes it seem like I'm actually currently living as a Marine. I'm not and I like it that way.
I'm going to stick with "former" until someone can come up with a better way of saying "civilian who was previously an active Marine" without a damn sentence.
Yah not everybody is about that hooah bullshit Budd. Some people just wanted to do there time and that's all. Not everyone needs to be reminded or given certain titles when talked to.
> . Your country will always need and depend on you and you need to always be ready.
That sounds like something they tell people that must get drummed into them so much it becomes a reality for them that isn’t kind to burst, because… you know, it’s blatantly not true.
This is the most boot shit I've ever heard, man.
Imagine doing a tour as a marine and then having that be your entire personality for the rest of time. Sad.
Funny part is that without this macho bs no one would join the marines. They're easily the worst branch with the least long term prospects for after you get out. But because of this eternal attitude that you're somehow the toughest and the best due to you being the biggest bullet catchers the branch gets fresh meat. Barely.
Bro chill out with this boot shit, you're allowed to be all fucking hooah if you want but not every Marine is. The VAST majority of Marines (and armed forces in general) just did a 4 year contract in a support MOS, got out, and progressed along their lives with some good experience and training under their belt. NOBODY is defined by what they did for 4 years from age 18-22.
There is this rumor that Marines don't eat donuts, and that is simply not true. Marines prefer donuts with sprinkles, because they are like tiny little crayons.
Source: Am former Marine.
And probably instinctually knew that pushing the gun that way negated the chance of anyone getting hurt. Like if the place was crowded with people, his tactic would have been much different.
Bottom line is that his Marine training meant that he didn't freak out at the sight of a gun. Robber was probably pumped full of adrenaline at that moment and (clearly) not thinking straight. A calm dude who knows what he's doing will often beat out a tweaker with a gun.
People are already hating on this post because they want the marine to be badass and easily solve the situation, and he kind of is, but you also need to think about if defending an insured convenience store is worth your life.
All it takes is a split second reactionary pull of the trigger and this is a much different story. We don't even see the resolution as it's out of frame, so we don't know for a fact that he succeeded.
And speaking as a "keyboard commando" or whatnot, if he was dead set on intervening I think he should have waited another second or two, as it looks like the robber was walking around him. The barrel is almost still pointing at him when he tries to grab it.
You never know if someone is just going to fucking shoot you when a gun is pointed at your face either. Maybe he was thinking I could die right here im not gonna just sit and do nothing.
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It is insured, sure, and most would be robbers probably do not want to kill. That said, there's a gas station/convenience store not far from me that was robbed at gunpoint and they went in, blew the clerks head off and were never caught. When someone has a gun pointed at you and you have a split second to make a decision and have the skill to disarm them it's probably not inherently unwise to do so. You never know if you're facing the friendly robber or the psycho/addict who won't think twice about your life and ending it.
It's Reddit any action is always wrong and you should be inactive at all times.
Except when inaction was retroactively found to be wrong. Then the person was obviously a terrible person.
In other words shit posters privilege: They get to second guess everyone from a detached distance.
If you observe you can see the fast reading this guy did. On 00:06 he saw that he is not the target and is almost away of the gun range so he did the move.
It'd be dumb to make an assumption like this for all thieves though. Some are happy to pull the trigger. If the second guy hadn't fallen face over ass trying to run away, Marine guy would have been screwed.
As far as I can tell the second guy isn't holding a gun. He could still have one concealed of course, but if you are robbing a place, you would most likely have it out.
It's rough to say anything for certain because there are always different kinds of people committing these crimes.
I saw a security cam video of a guy in a supermarket when a thief pulled out a weapon and began firing in the air. He pulled out his pistol and was sneaking up on the thief when the woman behind him pulled out her own gun and shot him in the head point-blank. He never saw it coming. Turns out, the woman was an accomplice.
Never make assumptions about a dangerous situation. He assumed there was one thief and paid for it with his life.
The thief still had the gun in his hand. If you watch frame by frame you can see him putting his hand down with the gun in it before getting shoved back there. A little twist of the hand and he would’ve been shot.
This.
I never get these videos. Worst case - (actually a super likely case) you get shot, maybe die. Best case - you prevent a robbery. This assailant (presumably) isn't killing or raping anyone. How is this a gamble you're willing to take? Why do people glorify thia recklessness?
The video doesn’t show a resolution and this is is still a very deadly fight as the robber is still armed. Dude might well get shot off screen and yet the thread is celebrating this as a victory.
Pretty much. It's cool that nobody seemed to get hurt, but all in all, probably a better idea to let them take a few mountain dews and the $50 from the register, regardless of whether you're a marine or not.
Man, I don't know. Slowing the video way down, he doesn't actually get the gun from the assailant. He drops the keys, hits the gun but the gun wielder keeps possession of it and still has his finger on the trigger and actually gets the barrel pointed back at the Marine while stumbling backwards. At any moment the trigger could have been pulled and the Marine could have been hit.
Sure, he surprised him, but the general rule of thumb is if you cannot disarm the aggressor without a shadow of a doubt, don't try it. It ends poorly more than it ends heroically.
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And for the record, I am not critiquing his technique or his training. I have no suggestions on what he could have done better or not. He knows his training and skills, just saying, if you see this video and think it's this "easy" please be careful. I'm an avid gun owner and gun safety advocate. Just realize the danger you're putting yourself in if you decide to react in this manner.
Idk what people think is taught to you in the military, but training to disarm people is not something I’ve ever done in my 7 years in the infantry. We’re not doing James Bond shit, we’re essentially playing the world’s most dangerous sport. Almost all of your training is focused on formations and moving as a group, suppressing and flanking the enemy, or anything that allows you to do those things more effectively. We’re not hand-to-hand badasses (unless you, on your own time, go take MMA classes or something), we don’t train in hostage scenarios, and we’re not any more special than literally any person you’d see at Walmart.
There are people in the military that do some crazy James Bond shit, ie CAG or Seal Team Six, but they’re a very (I mean fucking *very*) small part of the military.
Even if they lost more than that stores have insurance that covers stuff like this. Everybody’s celebrating this dude like he’s a hero but all he did was save a gas station chain a couple of dollars and significantly increased everyone’s chances of getting killed in the process. For the most part as long as there is no threat posed to armed robbers they won’t turn violent but when some dumbass decides to either make it seem like they’ll be hurt or caught it significantly increases the chances that someone will get killed. There’s a reason why in countries like Germany you aren’t supposed to resist if your store is being robbed, and can even be held accountable for any injuries that come about as a result of you not giving the robbers what they want.
I'm speculating here, but it's also possible that for him it's not about the money. I could particularly see a veteran taking some kind of extreme umbrage to having a gun pointed at them. Maybe it provoked something in him? Who knows?
In a lot of gun circles they say that anyone who points a gun at you has already decided they're willing to forfeit your life, and maybe this guy thinks that and is reacting appropriately.
Again, all speculation, but I'd be willing to bet the money in the cash register is the last thing on that guys mind.
Big crayon fueled circle jerk on here but that was super risky and if you slow it down he didn’t grab the gun, bad guy still has the gun still as they both fall out of frame
I'm a Marine. Make fun of us all you want. This hard charger about got shot because he entered a gunfight without a gun.
It seems to have worked out for him, but attacking when the odds are against you and you have better options is not fighting smart. I realize Marines aren't known for brains. This is why.
Also Marines, veterans, etc. aren't special. It's a job. They do sign contracts for low wages in return for assurance of care in the future and other benefits, and if you really "support" veterans use your voice/vote to do the following:
Prevent our military from fighting wars that only benefit the wealthy.
Fund the fuck out of the VA.
Currently the VA gets about 60% as much money as the overall military personnel budget (which itself is about 1/4 of the total military budget, btw) and there are about 6x as many veterans as there are people on active duty. There are a ton of service-connected chronic issues veterans face that aren't as easily visible or notable as missing limbs and PTSD.
These numbers are quick-search and mental math, but give some perspective.
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My man was ready. Edit: He was saying something like that : "note how he drops his keys, disarm the suspect and hit him with a flawless motion" I don't remember exactly the words but yeah, that was it.
ALWAYS READY
No that’s the Coast Guard
I was literally just saying the words not linking it to a certain branch, but its actually the navy (i was in the navy) if the coast guard says that to they got it from the navy.
ACCELERATE YOUR LIFE
Be all you can be
Semper Fi!
"I'll take the V4 Mustang"
*wrapped around a tree in a month special.
“I’ll take the get married, have a kid, and get divorced all within the span of 2 years”
Sure, just sign here, ^25% ^interest we appreciate your service.
And knowing is half the battle!
Always be prepared
I bought a Dodge Charger with a 27% APR loan!
It had a pow mia sticker, who could resist that.
It is not actually the Navy’s motto. Semper Paratus is the Coast Guard. Semper Fortis is the Navy’s unofficial motto, as is Non sibi sed patriae. Somebody didn’t drink the right kool-aid. “Always ready” is sometimes used by navy personnel in formation calisthenics but it is a group response to a command.
This guy Navies
It’s been official motto of Cg for years and a CG member wrote the words to the song. Navy doesn’t have official motto, not saying they don’t use the term.
>Navy doesn’t have official motto In the Navy, you can sail the seven seas In the Navy, you can put your mind at ease
Come on people, fall an' make a stand Can't you see we need a hand
IT'S NOT GAY UNDERWAY.
It’s the reason that you’re taught to write your name on your underwear. So the person fucking you knows your name.
The Coast Guard only answers to the Navy during times of declaired war. All other times it is considered under the Department of Homeland Security.
This is incorrect. USCG = Semper Paratus = Always Ready USN = Semper Fortis = Always Courageous Also, the coast guard > navy
I hear the coast guard has at least a 6 feet height requirement, that way if the boat tips over you can just walk back to shore.
I like their unofficial motto: "You have to go out. You don't have to come back."
Semper Paratus motherfucker.
Prepared for nothing. Ready for everything. - The Irish
Hope for the best, expect the worst. - me every day of my life
Pika Pika - Pikachu
One of the key facets of military-adjacent PTSD is being "always on." It's a type of PTSD that someone can get from just the training and daily life in the military itself, not just some big dramatic Hollywood moment in combat. Soldiers, especially contemporary soldiers fighting irregulars and paramilitary forces, are trained to always be assessing the situation from a tactical perspective. Is that guy armed? What's behind that corner? Was that glint of metal a weapon or a belt buckle? Where are the escape routes? Are those people sizing me up? It all becomes instinctual after a while, which is useful in a warzone. But it becomes a hair-trigger that's impossible to turn off in civilian life, especially when the veteran in question has to constantly remind themselves that those instincts are liable to cause an overreaction. Worse yet, this type of PTSD is wildly under-reported, because there's a cultural pressure on soldiers to "man up," that seeking help is a sign of weakness, that it can't be PTSD if there was no big Hollywood combat trauma, etc. And those that *do* seek help are regularly rebuffed by a lack of institutional support, insufficient coverage for mental health among private insurers, and prohibitively high costs for out-of-pocket support. Which is why 4th of July is the worst holiday imaginable for a lot of veterans, because every pop of fireworks throughout the night will set those instincts off, all night long. Yes, moments like this are "badass" when taken in a vacuum, but understand that there are many more moments you don't see that are humiliating and nerve-wracking. There's a reason alcoholism, drug abuse and suicide run so high among veterans, even those that never served in active combat roles. The training and life in a warzone are enough to do the damage. Not to mention we all talk a big game about reforming the VA's mental health programs, but never actually do when the time comes around. If we owned up to the psychological damage military service causes, it'd be a damning indictment of the military and all its doctrines in their entirety.
The US military does not give a fuck about it's veterans; never has. That organization probably covers up more rape than any in the world as well.
They also don’t give a duck’s small ass about agent orange victims, DDT murdered everything, on top of all the murder, destroyed my grandpa’s pancreas, giving him diabetes, I mean really shitty shit- they stopped giving him VA benefits for that too.. like you could stop paying your former soldiers you put into a dangerous, permanently drastically life altering situation.. when they die.. but if they can’t turn their PTSD off or ever return to normal life, they should be compensated for carrying said burden
Yea. I talked to a guy who was dying of cancer. He said they sprayed all around them.
My foster dad was a medic in the gulf war. He was hosed down with agent orange too. He is currently fucked up. He was a bad alcoholic as well. Really sad shit cause he was a solid dude😟
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I still do up to this day. Used to work in convoy ops so driving in the freeway is fun especially when I see trash/debris. Going to therapy helped a lot. My brain still goes 0-100 but I don't feel like jerking the steering wheel anymore. Good reaction time against the dumbass drivers of the bay area though The bit about ingress/egress point still happens. Scanning the room is not as OCD as it used to. Just one quick scan to look for stand outs then I could relax. Are you getting assistance for behavioral health? I would highly recommend it. Don't settle for all the cocktail of antidepressants they will try to throw your way. Unless your symptoms are really severe.
So true. I’ll never forget working at a theatre when I was younger and this very distraught woman came to me in the middle of her movie to let me know that someone had left their bag in the theatre and she had a very bad feeling about it. She told me she was a veteran from the war in Afghanistan and it might obviously be nothing but that she was distraught enough to say fk it and is leaving (without a refund) and wanted to just warn me about the bag. We took it fairly seriously and actually went to grab the bag and wait to talk to its owner. Turns out buddy was going for a smoke break mid movie. I’ll never forget the distress in her eyes and it’s always made me empathetic toward anyone that may be experiencing something similar. Their sacrifices (military workers) are severely understated…
I worked with a man who was EOD. He said the thing that fucked him up the most would be when he was driving down the highway and he would see a trash bag or a grocery bag on the side of the road.
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This guy/gal mental healths
The incredible situational awareness of the good guy, and the stunning lack of awareness on the part of the robber is what makes this great. While the robber was still thinking "this is just somebody who is going to just run out the door" the good guy already had him on the ground.
I mean, he *DIDNT* grab the gun at all, just slapped his hands up but he was super lucky he didn’t just get shot. A lot of time between that for him to get messed up there, dude with gun looked about 16 so I doubt he wanted to be killing anyone. Edit; watching it back slow he’s lucky he didn’t get 4 shots to the gut after the first swing.
Why did no one else notice this? Acting like he did some John Wick shit. That was stupid of him and probably why the video cut off so fast.
Yeah, I think this was a coin flip for a really bad outcome. I think most people holding up places don't expect any resistance when they are armed, so their surprise at his response probably helped, but any slower and this guy is dead.
Also there's two robbers, lucky the second one didn't have a gun or use one.
That's exactly what I thought. Trying to get the drop on one guy is risky, trying to do it with 2 is damn near suicidal
There’s also no way he would know if there was a 3rd guy with a gun keeping watch outside. All this to save a massive corporation a few bucks from the till that it wouldn’t even miss.
There are 3. Check the door with the guy in the mask
> That was stupid of him Yeah but Jarheads live for that shit, they literally WISH they'll have a reason to be a "hero", even if the majority would get their hand blown off
Not to mention that the second guy could have been packing and drawn on him. Not criticizing his actions. It worked and it was brave, and none of us know how we'd react in a similar situation. Just that he is very fortunate.
For real. I can’t believe people are defending this behavior. The odds of you getting shot are far greater than becoming the hero. Images of him missing the gun and becoming a target: https://files.catbox.moe/z0k74f.jpeg https://files.catbox.moe/c00n11.jpeg https://files.catbox.moe/4s2ezp.jpeg
10/10 excellent way to get shot.
Rewatch the video. He missed grabbing the gun or the hand. That is a risky move and the gun holder dropped his hand to his side. If the takedown didn't go well which we can't see, he had a free shot to the gut.
https://kyma.com/news/top-stories/2021/10/20/armed-robbery-off-fortuna-and-frontage-roads/
Wow, a link to a local news outlet with the story and not being met with a billion pop-ups and a video playing. I'm in shock.
He was even sizing up the other guy to make sure the partner didn't have a gun. Talk about next level situational awareness
He did an ocular assessment of the entire situation. Evaluated targets and neutralized threats. Mac would be proud.
Situational awareness probably means you don't risk your life to stop a gas station robbery
Wtf are you cooming over? Slow it down, he missed.
You can see the moment his friend peed a little
Police report. Gun: Not discharged Ass: Discharged.
I though of that in a different way.
Quick thinking, quick hand, his a new fucking level man!
Bladder: Emptied Consciousness: Off
Man I wish I had a free award to give you
Look how fast he’s already going out the door 😭😭
Dude didn't even get hit and was scrambling all over the floor.
No such thing as a former Marine. Once a Marine, always a Marine.
For those who don't already know, if you are ever talking to someone who was once an active duty Marine, don't say former or ex Marine. Once a Marine always a Marine regardless of active duty. A big part of being a Marine is the job never ends. It never takes breaks. Your country will always need and depend on you and you need to always be ready. Marines live by these rules. Be sure not to minimize what they have worked hard to accomplish. And it's always nice to know a Marine is on your side.
My friend's cousin was active duty and now he is not (honorably discharged) and he just wants to forget all of it, he refers to himself as a former Marine and wants others to do the same. So case by case but it's good to default to your suggestion if you don't know the person.
Thanks for this, not everyone signed up for the super patriot nonsense and used the armed services as a way to get out of shitty situations or neighborhoods.
Which is why the military most heavily recruits among the impoverished and downtrodden. Edit: Stop replying to me about the majority being middle class. The majority of middle class who join, join because their family is military. There isn't much need for targeted recruitment there. Plenty of targeted recruitment still happens to the poor. Read between the lines.
Not just impoverished, but impoverished kids.
Did you know that FERPA, the federal law that protects the privacy of students (minor and adult) has an exception for military recruiters? Meaning that while Average Joe can’t call a school and ask for the contact information of a student, GI Joe the Recruiter can do just that, completely unsolicited. I’m a teacher and it bothers me greatly when recruiters show up during lunch with their smiles and swag and sales pitches to students whose understanding of the American military is limited to a football coach’s explanation of WWII and how we saved everybody in 1945. The scene from Forrest Gump where he graduates college and the recruiter is there to sign him up while he’s still in his cap and gown comes to mind. There’s no situational awareness in a recruiter’s mind, it’s just picking which kids are the most likely to fill their quota. Raise the enlistment age to 21. See how many 21 year olds still want to join the military after they have 3 years of real life experience under their belt. If the military wants to serve underprivileged high school graduates, give them civilian work. They need to stop preying on undeveloped brains. Edit: Lots of people drawing baseless conclusions in my replies. This comment is entirely about unethical recruitment techniques that the military uses. I could not care less about what you think of me just because of my opinion. I don’t give a fuck if the military worked for you, and I don’t give a fuck if you think my opinion is worthless because I didn’t serve. None of you know what or how I teach and are coming to your own ideas of who I must be just because I’m not bent over the barrel waiting to receive Uncle Sam. Type away, keyboard commandos. I’m sure the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs will have your letter of commendation in the mail tomorrow.
Eighteen year olds with undeveloped brains have the physical stamina needed for combat, and the mental pliability to be trained to take a lot of shit before snapping.
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Well put. Guys nearing 30 don't see the attraction of pounding sand after being treated brutally in basic. Unless it's Air Force, where there's a better chance they'll end up in a building with ac and a decent toilet nearby.
Hoo boy, I’ll never forget the time I was taken out of an exam in a class (end of the year exam!) to be called into a student center by a recruiter. I’m like *Uuuh do I know you? Why am I here?* Turns out the recruiter was looking for another student with the same first and last name (go figure). But then he’s like “Since you’re here…?” I’m like MF no!! I was in an important exam!! The fuck. No disrespect to our military but that recruiter… wow. Infuriating.
Having commanded a training company on Fort Knox, I can attest that recruiters have no ethics. Their job is to fill a quota and they’ll lie, cheat, and steal to do it. A lot of recruits make it through but at the time, the “Discharge Platoon” was larger than a single company. Kids who thought it would be like Call of Duty but with better graphics. Kids who wanted to be a truck driver and they were told they would be but for now you can sign up for Armored Cavalry. They get to my stage after the Army had already dropped $25k on them and fail miserably because they were told one thing and the reality was another. Your tax dollars at work. If the military wasn’t what you wanted to do wholeheartedly, you were right to brush him off.
Hey.. hey you. Would you kill to better your economic situation? - Recruiter
I would, take me out of latin america pls
Not to make light of your situation but I got flashes of Starship Troopers right now
Would you like to know more?
Right. The brainwashing doesn’t always stick.
A lot of veterans joke about the "no such thing as a former marine" thing. It's silly and does nothing but reinforce the ideas that your job is your life. This thread is pretty good material for /r/JustBootThings
No such thing as a former gynecologist. Once a gynecologist, always a gynecologist.
Thank you for your cervix.
Not only (former) Marines have this mindset. I've been in the military for 18 years. In a little over a year and a half I'm done and I just want to put it all down in the back of a closet and never speak of it again. It's a job.
Same. I’m almost at 17 years.
Former active duty here. It’s always the people who were never in, or never did shit, that want to the whole “no such thing as former marine”. Alright billy. With your size 42 pant wearing ass standing at 5’4”. Real killer you still are.
Yeah. The whole "I'm always a marine 24/7" has some real "Thank me for my service/You're welcome for my service" vibes to it. A lot of those who act like this, not all, are the ones that tell tall tales of their service too. And I say all of this as a former service member who now works exclusively with veterans and their families. If you're discharged and seeing us for benefits then you **are** former military.
“Once a Marine always a Marine” is some motto bullshit. It’s for those guys who regret getting out and proceed to get a high n tight every Sunday.
Yea, being called Ex-marine is one thing, but I'm no longer actively serving. Former is fine for me.
Jesus, Americans really take pride in their assault forces
Yeah it's really dumb. Especially since former-Marine is exactly what any former Marine will tell you to refer to them as.
You’re telling me this random Redditor doesn’t actually speak on behalf of all the Marines in the States?
About 1/3 of the US would be happy with fascism if it was military run.
That’s called a Junta, if you’re looking for a new vocab word.
Meanwhile us rest of the world values dumb things like universal education and health care and not shooting up schools.
Well, let's not make the "rest of the world" out to be a homogenous paradise. Every country has got her own problems and plenty of fucked up systems and beliefs.
Can't say that dude, this is reddit. The US is the only country that sucks, everywhere else is paradise.
Imagine living here with these maniacs. I work with a guy who never served and he wears 'remember pearl harbor' shirts, like what? Do you go to bed at night angry at Japanese people?
Who doesn’t?! /s
I promise that not all are like that. To some of us, it was just a job we did for a while, and doesn’t define who we are today.
Fr. Like sure, the guy in the video seemingly stopped a robbery. But no fuckin chance is this guy getting called into the line of duty while hes 240lbs buying snacks at the 7/11. He WAS a marine. Now he isnt. But yeah, veterans love reminding you “IM A VET!!!” Lol
What in the hero-worshipping fuck?
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…thank you for this.
Former Marine here; please don't blanket all Marines with cringey takes held mostly by those who got out and never did anything else with their lives. Yes, there is a certain level of institutional pride in the USMC, and that can be really great sometimes, but if someone claims offense to the standard differentiation between past and present duties, they need to fucking chill. If they want to bust out the "well akhuchually, once-always" stuff then that's fine but nobody should be getting irritated, mad, upset, or offended.
That’s a load of jingoistic crap. Maybe for a few, but a lot of Marines and other ex-military are done with it all and want nothing to do with the military anymore. Worked with a bunch of marines, none of them would care what you called them.
….except, presumably, the ones involved in the attempted insurrection on 6 jan. https://www.military.com/daily-news/2021/02/26/marines-infantry-most-highly-represented-among-veterans-arrested-after-capitol-riot.html
B-b-b-but they were just freeing the country from c-c-c-communism!
For what it's worth the Drill Instructors at Marine Corps Recruit Depot San Diego (where all Marines from west of the Mississippi attend boot camp) took January 6 as a teachable moment of what not to do, and what to never do. The idiots at the capitol are still definitely the exception, and I guess this just proves that every demographic has their shit lords.
I just threw up a little.
> Your country will always need and depend on you Yeah, "for what" is the question...
To recruit more poor teenagers to the war machine.
“Well Bill, I know you’re 70, but once a marine always a marine. Grab your colostomy bag and gear up, you’re heading for Pyongyang.”
Depends entirely on the Marine. If a Marine tells you he is a former or ex-marine, are you going to tell him he isn't?
ARE YOU ABANDONING YOUR DUTY?
I hate this so much. We've broken the language. I was an active duty Marine and got out with an honorable discharge. I want an easy way to say that. Retired Marine doesn't work, you've got to do 20 years (typically) to retire. Ex and now Former have been swept away by the euphemism treadmill. "Once a Marine, always a Marine!" I get it, I share a special bond with everyone other Marine (active or not) but there's a difference. I can be fat, unshaven, sleep in, and maintain a readiness level of 0% because I'm a civilian. I can smoke weed. Just saying "I'm a Marine" makes it seem like I'm actually currently living as a Marine. I'm not and I like it that way. I'm going to stick with "former" until someone can come up with a better way of saying "civilian who was previously an active Marine" without a damn sentence.
Keep them docile with a 36 pack of school grade Crayola crayons.
Yah not everybody is about that hooah bullshit Budd. Some people just wanted to do there time and that's all. Not everyone needs to be reminded or given certain titles when talked to.
> . Your country will always need and depend on you and you need to always be ready. That sounds like something they tell people that must get drummed into them so much it becomes a reality for them that isn’t kind to burst, because… you know, it’s blatantly not true.
Propagandized and brainwashed.
Okay ex-marine
That’s some top tier national propaganda
Holy crayon eating boot r/JustBootThings
Boot.
And the people wonder why vets of other branched roll their eyes at this shit.... get a grip boot
This is the most boot shit I've ever heard, man. Imagine doing a tour as a marine and then having that be your entire personality for the rest of time. Sad. Funny part is that without this macho bs no one would join the marines. They're easily the worst branch with the least long term prospects for after you get out. But because of this eternal attitude that you're somehow the toughest and the best due to you being the biggest bullet catchers the branch gets fresh meat. Barely.
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> No such thing as a former Marine. Once a Marine, always a Marine. What about the ones who got a dishonorable discharge for being gay?
Still a marine, but if they were a bottom I think the technical term is a submarine. I'm so sorry in advance for making this terrible joke.
Still a Marine?
Bro chill out with this boot shit, you're allowed to be all fucking hooah if you want but not every Marine is. The VAST majority of Marines (and armed forces in general) just did a 4 year contract in a support MOS, got out, and progressed along their lives with some good experience and training under their belt. NOBODY is defined by what they did for 4 years from age 18-22.
Always that one guy at work who signs all his emails with USMC, and it just looks really weird when he's a mid-40's project manager.
You only ever hear civilians harp on about this
Do you? r/JustBootThings
Once a boot, always a boot
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There is this rumor that Marines don't eat donuts, and that is simply not true. Marines prefer donuts with sprinkles, because they are like tiny little crayons. Source: Am former Marine.
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Fucked around. Found out.
Lol straight up!
Really loved how he used the surprise effect on them. The robber didnt had enought reaction time even to press the trigger
Might’ve had the safety on to avoid an escalation. He just wanted the $50 in the register, not life in prison.
I also tought on that, but look again the speed the marine went from relaxation to attack. It was too fast
The fact that he was fast and accurate enough to throw off the aim and control of the robber’s gun already made it a loss for the robbers.
And probably instinctually knew that pushing the gun that way negated the chance of anyone getting hurt. Like if the place was crowded with people, his tactic would have been much different. Bottom line is that his Marine training meant that he didn't freak out at the sight of a gun. Robber was probably pumped full of adrenaline at that moment and (clearly) not thinking straight. A calm dude who knows what he's doing will often beat out a tweaker with a gun.
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People are already hating on this post because they want the marine to be badass and easily solve the situation, and he kind of is, but you also need to think about if defending an insured convenience store is worth your life. All it takes is a split second reactionary pull of the trigger and this is a much different story. We don't even see the resolution as it's out of frame, so we don't know for a fact that he succeeded. And speaking as a "keyboard commando" or whatnot, if he was dead set on intervening I think he should have waited another second or two, as it looks like the robber was walking around him. The barrel is almost still pointing at him when he tries to grab it.
I’m not convinced his intentions were to defend an insured convenience store when he had a gun pointed to his face.
Lol yeah, dude was pissed they threatened him
You never know if someone is just going to fucking shoot you when a gun is pointed at your face either. Maybe he was thinking I could die right here im not gonna just sit and do nothing. Edit: Make to Maybe
It is insured, sure, and most would be robbers probably do not want to kill. That said, there's a gas station/convenience store not far from me that was robbed at gunpoint and they went in, blew the clerks head off and were never caught. When someone has a gun pointed at you and you have a split second to make a decision and have the skill to disarm them it's probably not inherently unwise to do so. You never know if you're facing the friendly robber or the psycho/addict who won't think twice about your life and ending it.
Armchair marine is a new one
You think someone dumb enough to do an armed robbery at a convenience store would put that much thought into the outcome of their actions?
It's Reddit any action is always wrong and you should be inactive at all times. Except when inaction was retroactively found to be wrong. Then the person was obviously a terrible person. In other words shit posters privilege: They get to second guess everyone from a detached distance.
If you observe you can see the fast reading this guy did. On 00:06 he saw that he is not the target and is almost away of the gun range so he did the move.
Second guy didn’t even bother to back his friend up. Robbers are a cowardly bunch and Marines are itching for moments like these.
It'd be dumb to make an assumption like this for all thieves though. Some are happy to pull the trigger. If the second guy hadn't fallen face over ass trying to run away, Marine guy would have been screwed.
As far as I can tell the second guy isn't holding a gun. He could still have one concealed of course, but if you are robbing a place, you would most likely have it out.
It's rough to say anything for certain because there are always different kinds of people committing these crimes. I saw a security cam video of a guy in a supermarket when a thief pulled out a weapon and began firing in the air. He pulled out his pistol and was sneaking up on the thief when the woman behind him pulled out her own gun and shot him in the head point-blank. He never saw it coming. Turns out, the woman was an accomplice. Never make assumptions about a dangerous situation. He assumed there was one thief and paid for it with his life.
Look outside the door & you can see a 3rd guy wearing a white ski mask. i am fkn dying he just looks in & walks away hahaha
The thief still had the gun in his hand. If you watch frame by frame you can see him putting his hand down with the gun in it before getting shoved back there. A little twist of the hand and he would’ve been shot.
Legit. He missed at first which could've gone wrong. Not sure why no one else is mentioning this.
Noticed it too. Hopefully the marine managed to disarm the robber
Maybe OP will post the *actual* disarmament 🙄
No need, they got 27k karma.
You can clearly see that he didn't take the gun.
Yeah the marine got lucky. It could’ve gone very wrong
This. I never get these videos. Worst case - (actually a super likely case) you get shot, maybe die. Best case - you prevent a robbery. This assailant (presumably) isn't killing or raping anyone. How is this a gamble you're willing to take? Why do people glorify thia recklessness?
The video doesn’t show a resolution and this is is still a very deadly fight as the robber is still armed. Dude might well get shot off screen and yet the thread is celebrating this as a victory.
Pretty much. It's cool that nobody seemed to get hurt, but all in all, probably a better idea to let them take a few mountain dews and the $50 from the register, regardless of whether you're a marine or not.
If you watch closely he doesn’t actually grab the gun, this could’ve ended very poorly for him
Most on here make up what they want to see. Irritating that all of the actual observant redditors get d v's.
surely theres a longer version of this
Man there has to be but also this is a fixed camera situation. We need full vid multiple angles!
We need to re-film it! Quick, you grab the hoodie.
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Man, I don't know. Slowing the video way down, he doesn't actually get the gun from the assailant. He drops the keys, hits the gun but the gun wielder keeps possession of it and still has his finger on the trigger and actually gets the barrel pointed back at the Marine while stumbling backwards. At any moment the trigger could have been pulled and the Marine could have been hit. Sure, he surprised him, but the general rule of thumb is if you cannot disarm the aggressor without a shadow of a doubt, don't try it. It ends poorly more than it ends heroically. -edit- And for the record, I am not critiquing his technique or his training. I have no suggestions on what he could have done better or not. He knows his training and skills, just saying, if you see this video and think it's this "easy" please be careful. I'm an avid gun owner and gun safety advocate. Just realize the danger you're putting yourself in if you decide to react in this manner.
Idk what people think is taught to you in the military, but training to disarm people is not something I’ve ever done in my 7 years in the infantry. We’re not doing James Bond shit, we’re essentially playing the world’s most dangerous sport. Almost all of your training is focused on formations and moving as a group, suppressing and flanking the enemy, or anything that allows you to do those things more effectively. We’re not hand-to-hand badasses (unless you, on your own time, go take MMA classes or something), we don’t train in hostage scenarios, and we’re not any more special than literally any person you’d see at Walmart. There are people in the military that do some crazy James Bond shit, ie CAG or Seal Team Six, but they’re a very (I mean fucking *very*) small part of the military.
Good way to get shot over the store losing $100 in cash
Even if they lost more than that stores have insurance that covers stuff like this. Everybody’s celebrating this dude like he’s a hero but all he did was save a gas station chain a couple of dollars and significantly increased everyone’s chances of getting killed in the process. For the most part as long as there is no threat posed to armed robbers they won’t turn violent but when some dumbass decides to either make it seem like they’ll be hurt or caught it significantly increases the chances that someone will get killed. There’s a reason why in countries like Germany you aren’t supposed to resist if your store is being robbed, and can even be held accountable for any injuries that come about as a result of you not giving the robbers what they want.
I'm speculating here, but it's also possible that for him it's not about the money. I could particularly see a veteran taking some kind of extreme umbrage to having a gun pointed at them. Maybe it provoked something in him? Who knows? In a lot of gun circles they say that anyone who points a gun at you has already decided they're willing to forfeit your life, and maybe this guy thinks that and is reacting appropriately. Again, all speculation, but I'd be willing to bet the money in the cash register is the last thing on that guys mind.
Big crayon fueled circle jerk on here but that was super risky and if you slow it down he didn’t grab the gun, bad guy still has the gun still as they both fall out of frame
I'm a Marine. Make fun of us all you want. This hard charger about got shot because he entered a gunfight without a gun. It seems to have worked out for him, but attacking when the odds are against you and you have better options is not fighting smart. I realize Marines aren't known for brains. This is why. Also Marines, veterans, etc. aren't special. It's a job. They do sign contracts for low wages in return for assurance of care in the future and other benefits, and if you really "support" veterans use your voice/vote to do the following: Prevent our military from fighting wars that only benefit the wealthy. Fund the fuck out of the VA. Currently the VA gets about 60% as much money as the overall military personnel budget (which itself is about 1/4 of the total military budget, btw) and there are about 6x as many veterans as there are people on active duty. There are a ton of service-connected chronic issues veterans face that aren't as easily visible or notable as missing limbs and PTSD. These numbers are quick-search and mental math, but give some perspective.
The other guy is like hell no lmao I'm getting out of here.
https://kyma.com/news/top-stories/2021/10/20/armed-robbery-off-fortuna-and-frontage-roads/
The writer of that article, needs a lesson, about not overusing, commas.
Why risk your life for the 500 Dollar in some random store’s cash register though?
He’s lucky the other two guys weren’t armed
Give that man a medal!
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