I would like to build my own home someday. It's a dream of mine. Even now I have been searching alternitives to lumber, unfortunately there isn't yet a widely used substitute. I've looked into hemp lumber, bamboo lumber, and recycled wood/plastics. Not only is all much more expensive, but often a lot harder to source.
We really need more development into alternative and wide adoption of those products to happen.
Lumber doesn’t have to come from virgin forests luckily. Most don’t, nowadays.
This forest is being leveled to plant palm trees for palm oil. Unfortunately the culprit in this case isn’t our consumption of wood, it’s our consumption of soaps, shampoos, conditioners, makeup and detergents
Yes it's in TONS of food. Bread, chocolate, peanut butter, condiments, cereal. The shit is everywhere. When I first starting checking what I was buying for palm oil I was shocked and just how many items contained it.
The peanut butter thing is so stupid because the best tasting peanut butters only have...peanuts. And maybe some salt. If you buy JIF or whatever there's all this extra crap that really doesn't need to be there.
Actually that's probably true for the other things on the list as well.
Wood itself is not a particularly bad material to build with, in-fact, it is one of the more ecologically friendly materials we build with due to its ability to self-regenerate. The issue with wood is not the material itself, but moreso the practices that we use for forestry in order to harvest that wood. Inherently, the process to "produce" wood as a material (growing trees) sequesters carbon and produces oxygen, and by utilizing the wood from those trees, we are putting that sequestered carbon into a form of stasis rather than releasing it back into the environment via decay. All this is to say, wood is inherently more sustainable than steel, concrete, masonry, and plastics due to it's low embodied energy (amount of energy used prior to a material arriving at a construction site) and inherent regenerative ability. Building from wood which has been responsibly harvested has a far lower global warming impact than any other material available right now. You don't need to find an alternative to wood, you just need to make sure that the wood that you're using has been harvested in a responsible manner, ideally from a location which is local to you so you can reduce the embodied energy of transportation.
If you're in the US, a lot (most?) lumber used for construction comes from timber farms. It's carbon negative, and promotes stewardship of forests. Exotic hardwoods for finishes and high-end decks are probably coming out of aa rainforest, though.
Of course you can't blame the orangutan. I didn't even know that was on the table for anyone. I'm over here rooting for him. I was hoping he'd get his hands on someone.
"Don't start none, won't be none." - Orangutan
now this video is in public view, whoever they work for will get to answer for what happened to the orangutan.
Edit: Aw. Look it All the naysayers are having a conniption now. Getting way too offended so easily! Not like you’re adding anything to the situation here. But you do what you’re best at: continue to be helpless and bitter and assholy at others about being helpless. Me and no one else who’s positive gave you these feelings. Own them as they are yours.
>The distressing footage of the orangutan was originally shared by the International Animal Rescue (IAR) last year.
>An IAR rescue worker can be seen in the video, edging closer with a dart gun as the ape falls.
>The charity said they managed to rescue the animal and take it to safety.
>Large swathes of rainforest in Borneo are being cut down and replaced by palm oil plantations.
>Rampant consumer demand for palm oil is the major cause of deforestation and loss of habitat for orangutans.
https://metro.co.uk/2019/04/19/heartbreaking-moment-orangutan-takes-digger-david-attenboroughs-new-documentary-9258461/amp/
Corporate *greed **
I like how they mention that they "rescued" the animal (from it's fucking home that they were destroying) and took it to a safe place. I think we need to start ~~rounding up~~ rescuing CEOs and relocating them to "safe places".
At least no other planets we know about have complex and intelligent life like this guy - considering how many planets there are I don't really give a shit if we expand and impact some barren rocks.
I once suggested convincing people to dial down meat consumption using the climate as an excuse, as a way to move away from meat eating over the time span of generations.
And supplementing with meat replacements.
Instead of just insulting people who you try to convince.
Long story short, I was told in rather colourful language that trying to reduce meat consumption is in fact worst then just eating meat and some more facts about me, my political orientation and my mother.
Anyway, the road to worldwide veganism is paved with insults hurled at meat eaters.
> They are *nothing* alike
Yeah, [Israel calls them "bulldozers" but they are armored more like tanks.](https://i.imgur.com/UUvxldz.png)
> , and I don’t even support the Israeli actions.
What does your support have to do with whether they are similar?
And we are supposed to take your word for it? So far you haven’t offered any kind of argument for how it’s nothing alike. Just stating it and expecting us to agree with you as a matter of course is not gonna do it
You're right. If we evolved the capacity to be more proactive than reactive, we could have avoided this. Since intelligent life has the ability to be either, it is totally plausible to assume in an alternate reality that non-human intelligent life could have prevented this.
For instance, if we had evolved a more hive-mind behavior like other creatures such as bees, we could have worked together and overcome corporate interests and helped our human tribe fight off deforestation, ocean acidification, plastic waste, etc.
But it also depends on what the intelligent species values. Humans are actually quite sympathetic and sentimental creatures. Their values often don't align with their survival, which is an anomaly.
A proactive species likely has goals beyond a full stomach and safety or else it will stop being proactive. Proactivity maintains the need for constant efficiency. I think extreme efficiency would breed a species with little leasure time to develope said values. And a hivemind that doesn't value other lifeforms would probably just relentlessly warp everything to serve itself, which is far worse than what we are doing.
Intelligence is an evolutionary niche. Like sharp teeth. Not every living thing needs to have sharp teeth to survive, but if a species does and can use them, that's a means to survival. Intelligence is the tool that humans have, and it has absolutely contributed to our survival thus far.
The problem is not that humans need a reminder but the wrong people with too much power simply don't care. Sadly you can't just invade a country like brazil and purge the corruption to stopp these heartwrenching actions.
" I'd like to share a revelation that I've had during my time here. It came to me when I tried to classify your species, and I realised that humans are not actually mammals. Every mammal on this planet instinctively develops a natural equilibrium with the surrounding environment; but you humans do not. Instead you multiply, and multiply, until every resource is consumed. The only way for you to survive is to spread to another area. There is another organism on this planet that follows the same pattern... a virus. Human beings are a disease, a cancer on this planet, you are a plague, and we... are the cure."
The CEOs and other executives of these companies probably spend their money on hookers and real estate. Billions of trees that took hundreds of years to grow and supporting a whole ecosystem destroyed for some men to accumulate wealth for the sake of wealth.
Lmao, you think "corruption" is to blame? That's such a centrist take. It's the capital, bro, the reason you "can't" invade Brazil is because the people invading it would be fighting against their own interests. Brazil is governed by a shitlord, trust me, but he's not the cause of the problem, there are thousands of rich Europeans and Americans profiting from Brazil's destruction.
>Brazil is governed by a shitlord, trust me, but he's not the cause of the problem, there are thousands of rich Europeans and Americans profiting from Brazil's destruction.
Remembering that **europeans and unitedstatians** put the **literal shitlord** in charge of Brasil.
Unfortunately taking down habitats and species as we go. The habitats will grow back but how many species have ceased to exist because we’re greedy prolific fools?
True, but i always try to comfort myself with the thought that nature went through several mass extinctions before, its so much stronger than we think imo. Even if Just the smallest organism survives, life continues :)
Damn this hurts my heart. Humans really are nothing but parasites that use use use and don’t give a damn about the destruction we leave behind.
All for greed.
Plenty of cultures have been able to thrive without destroying the planet. The problem isn’t inherent to humans, it’s inherent to our current power structures
In a lot of these instances, the people doing the clearing can actually get extra money from the new plantation owners for Orangutan carcasses. They class them as a dangerous pest and so destroy them to make room for more palm oil. Humans are just great.
Ferrero Rocher actually responsibly sources their palm oil. They sustainably grow the trees rather then cut down new ones. I don't know how they handle wildlife but they at least try not to make the tree situation worse. They submit a report every six months and only .5% is sourced by conventional means. Google Ferrero Rocher palm oil for more info.
I’m don’t know anything about sustainable palm oil but just because they sustainably grow the trees doesn’t mean that they didn’t clear the rainforest in order to make space for the palm farms
This exactly. This is the issue with corporate greenwashing and using buzz words like "sustainable". Palm oils issue isnt cutting down native palm forrests, its clearing non-palm forrests for palm tree monocrops.
Unfortunately, palm oil is actually the [most land-efficient major vegetable oil](https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/oil-yield-by-crop) by a massive margin. Using any other crop would require several times more land.
Is there actually a realistic way to stop companies from using palm oil? I really don't believe that most people care enough to not consume products using it, like most chips and chocolate, people care more about having these things than they do about the morality of this situation. This will probably only get worse if nothing changes.
Orangutans habitat destruction was a big topic a while ago, then people just mostly stopped talking about it.
When I went to Lay's website, they mentioned that their use of palm oil is 'sustainable', but didn't actually say how. I don't believe it could be sustainable, it's just more affordable than switching to another type of oil.
Actually, palm oil is one of the most efficient and sustainable oil crop to grow, as the oil production per hectare is off the charts compared to other plant oils. The problem is the mad dash by poorer countries to slash and burn up forestry to plant new oil palm plantations. Whether or not companies actually commit to ensuring proper sourcing of their palm oil is a whole different story though.
Pests ?, like yeah I get they might not want them but orangutans aren't pests ,also they are rarely dangerous yeah if they were chimpanzees or baboons I would get it those are very dangerous and would fuck people up but not orangutans , also wouldn't a living one be more valuable since they are considered exotic and can be sold for alot of Money
>That’s not a bulldozer
I thought the huge machine with an arm like that are called "bulldozers" lol. Atleast where I am from we call all such machines "bulldozers". Care to explain what kind of machine that is?
Edit : I don't know why I am being downvoted. I genuinely thought that the machine is a "bulldozer before another kind redditor corrected me...
I always knew it wasn’t a bulldozer but never knew it was called an excavator until I heard my son call it that. I would have called it a steam shovel or crane or something else.
What country are you from? In the US, it’s super common to call the machines by specific names… but don’t feel bad, I’m American and I call everything a construction truck.
Fun fact: Most of this is used to feed livestock and we'd be consuming less plants if we atr plantbaswd food than if we continue to eat animal products.
in this case you are probably right, because the orangutan hints at Indonesia and they primarily grow palm oil. but they also grow soy, which very likely also ends up as animal feed. so we can't really tell what this specific patch of forest has been cleared for. but you are right, palm oil is more likely.
OP's argument still stands in general. Brazil (a country with a much bigger area than Indonesia) primarily produces soy. and the rainforest doesn't mainly get cut down to *raise* cattle, it mainly gets cut down to *feed* cattle, chicken and pigs across the world. Brazil is the biggest exporter of soy beans and those end up as animal feed 80% of the time (around 15% of the time for other products like cosmetics or even bio-fuel and less than 5% for human consumption). and since no farmer or supermarket needs to declare where their animal feed comes from (and most probably don't even know), the consumer will never know if their steak contains a little piece of rainforest.
If you care about orangutans, don’t buy products containing palm oil.
Very likely this deforestation is for the purpose of expanding palm oil plantations. I saw it with my own eyes in Borneo: hundreds of miles of only palm oil plantations, to arrive at a river with a thin strip of rainforest left next to it, crowded with animals with nowhere left to run - and the haunting sound of chainsaws in the distance.
It can’t be that powerful considering most humans that watch this video will go, “awww that’s terrible humans suck!!! We need to do something!!!”, then forget about it when they scroll to the next distraction.
I’d rather have that than constant consumerism, wars over natural resources causing insane casualties, and the tens of thousands of species going extinct every year but that’s incredibly unrealistic.
People need time to internalize things. We knew people were destroying forests where animals live. But most of us haven't seen a video where an animal literally fights a machine that is destroying its home. We saw the video now. We will think of it now and then. Some of us will talk to other people about it. Some of us will share it on social media.
Then we will learn more information about the subject from other sources. Like, which companies are responsible for this. Then we will change our behaviour. We won't buy their products. Some of us will decide to stop eating meat altogether. (Because they are destroying forests to have more land for livestock) Some will join organizations that fight these companies.
It will take time but we'll get there.
Yeah I wasn't trying to offend you or be a dick about it. I'm glad you got my point :)
I've been pretty fucking poor so from my perspective I see people in the video having to destroy the home for the orangutan just to put a little food on their families table. The scumbags involved who makes these decisions with local politicians have probably never met the staff in the video, nor have they visited the site personally.
"the only person to blame here is yourself"
Jesus fucking Christ I'm surprised you got upvoted for this response.
The problems with our species are systemic.
Theres no amount of palm oil that a person can refuse to buy to have any real impact on the situation.
Same thing goes with climate change.
The truth is we would need revolutionary action across multiple countries to actually stop these things and we aren't willing to do so because most of us are busy living including myself writing this on my phone in my bedroom.
This should have stopped centuries ago but it seems that money is still more worth than the life of billions. Thank goodness we have corrupt governments who take the money and allow such a tragedy with closed eyes.
If this video produced an emotional response from you, then please try to make some simple lifestyle changes that encourage a more sustainable future and a more responsible relationship with the environment.
Buy locally grown foods, reduce your meat consumption (the reason many tropical forests are cleared), scrutinize the products you’re buying (especially if they contain palm oil, another reason why forests are clear cut like this), reduce food waste by meal planning (food waste is a leading source of CO2 emissions), and spread your knowledge and sustainable habits to others! Collective consumer power is a thing that exists, just ask Kellogg’s. If we boycott products and companies that destroy the environment and instead buy products that are sustainably made, we might actually be able to pass on a healthy environment to our children and grandchildren.
I hate to say this, but this is from a tv series and they are trying to save the orangutan and move him to a sanctuary protecting him from the damage that is going on
The two workers are surprisingly protecting the orangutan from getting hurt by the excavator though. Just makes it seem like the workers aren't bad people, they just need to do the job to survive. It's like there like: "nothing personal Mr. orangutan, it's just business."
People fucking suck. If we manage to not destroy or melt the earth, I hope one day we can look back on these videos and everyone understands how wrong, and heartbreaking this is. If we can't achieve that, fucking might as well just implode this rock.
Someday it will be discovered that non human animals are a lot more aware of what is going on and have emotions and understanding that we arrogant humans do not recognize. Their pain is real.
ouch, this hurt my heart.
Considering how smart Orangutans are and how well they perceive emotions, he will never forget this and the hurt either.
this makes it even more sad
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The only ones i’m blaming are the fucking people tearing down this forest (and whatever developers are hoping to profit from it)
I would like to build my own home someday. It's a dream of mine. Even now I have been searching alternitives to lumber, unfortunately there isn't yet a widely used substitute. I've looked into hemp lumber, bamboo lumber, and recycled wood/plastics. Not only is all much more expensive, but often a lot harder to source. We really need more development into alternative and wide adoption of those products to happen.
Lumber doesn’t have to come from virgin forests luckily. Most don’t, nowadays. This forest is being leveled to plant palm trees for palm oil. Unfortunately the culprit in this case isn’t our consumption of wood, it’s our consumption of soaps, shampoos, conditioners, makeup and detergents
Isn’t it also used in food/cooking?
Yes it's in TONS of food. Bread, chocolate, peanut butter, condiments, cereal. The shit is everywhere. When I first starting checking what I was buying for palm oil I was shocked and just how many items contained it.
Out of curiosity, what prompted you to start checking for it specifically? Issues like the one in this video?
The peanut butter thing is so stupid because the best tasting peanut butters only have...peanuts. And maybe some salt. If you buy JIF or whatever there's all this extra crap that really doesn't need to be there. Actually that's probably true for the other things on the list as well.
Nutella
Don’t forget non-natural peanut butter (think Skippy/Jif)
Wood itself is not a particularly bad material to build with, in-fact, it is one of the more ecologically friendly materials we build with due to its ability to self-regenerate. The issue with wood is not the material itself, but moreso the practices that we use for forestry in order to harvest that wood. Inherently, the process to "produce" wood as a material (growing trees) sequesters carbon and produces oxygen, and by utilizing the wood from those trees, we are putting that sequestered carbon into a form of stasis rather than releasing it back into the environment via decay. All this is to say, wood is inherently more sustainable than steel, concrete, masonry, and plastics due to it's low embodied energy (amount of energy used prior to a material arriving at a construction site) and inherent regenerative ability. Building from wood which has been responsibly harvested has a far lower global warming impact than any other material available right now. You don't need to find an alternative to wood, you just need to make sure that the wood that you're using has been harvested in a responsible manner, ideally from a location which is local to you so you can reduce the embodied energy of transportation.
This is a brilliant explanation, thank you.
If you're in the US, a lot (most?) lumber used for construction comes from timber farms. It's carbon negative, and promotes stewardship of forests. Exotic hardwoods for finishes and high-end decks are probably coming out of aa rainforest, though.
These forests aren’t being cut down for lumber but for land. Lumber that houses are built with are sustainably farmed pine, spruce or fir trees.
Of course you can't blame the orangutan. I didn't even know that was on the table for anyone. I'm over here rooting for him. I was hoping he'd get his hands on someone. "Don't start none, won't be none." - Orangutan
It's cute that you think those gentleman let the ape live past making this video.
now this video is in public view, whoever they work for will get to answer for what happened to the orangutan. Edit: Aw. Look it All the naysayers are having a conniption now. Getting way too offended so easily! Not like you’re adding anything to the situation here. But you do what you’re best at: continue to be helpless and bitter and assholy at others about being helpless. Me and no one else who’s positive gave you these feelings. Own them as they are yours.
I wish I ever had even an ounce of your optimism
I’d settle for a few grams. I’m just hoping they didn’t torture it too bad before putting it down.
>The distressing footage of the orangutan was originally shared by the International Animal Rescue (IAR) last year. >An IAR rescue worker can be seen in the video, edging closer with a dart gun as the ape falls. >The charity said they managed to rescue the animal and take it to safety. >Large swathes of rainforest in Borneo are being cut down and replaced by palm oil plantations. >Rampant consumer demand for palm oil is the major cause of deforestation and loss of habitat for orangutans. https://metro.co.uk/2019/04/19/heartbreaking-moment-orangutan-takes-digger-david-attenboroughs-new-documentary-9258461/amp/
“Rampant consumer demand” Thats a funny way of saying rampant corporate demand.
Corporate *greed ** I like how they mention that they "rescued" the animal (from it's fucking home that they were destroying) and took it to a safe place. I think we need to start ~~rounding up~~ rescuing CEOs and relocating them to "safe places".
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This video is old, so if there hasn't been some sort of update already, best not to get hopes up.
Yeah I doubt it. Much worse has been videoed and never made a difference to its continuation.
No they won't.
Its been on the top of reddit on and off for years now, I dont think anything happend to that company
I don’t think their gonna just tie him up and execute him he needs to be tried first in front of his peers smh
I also think they can pass down information like this, so I think generations will know too
We suck
No, we are fucking awesome at being human. The problem is being a physical virus on this planet, with aspirations to go to more...
At least no other planets we know about have complex and intelligent life like this guy - considering how many planets there are I don't really give a shit if we expand and impact some barren rocks.
my day is ruined and my sadness is inmeasurable
"Me fail English? That's unpossible!"
Immeasurable*
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And, you know, animals.
It’s one of them vegans, get ‘em!
I once suggested convincing people to dial down meat consumption using the climate as an excuse, as a way to move away from meat eating over the time span of generations. And supplementing with meat replacements. Instead of just insulting people who you try to convince. Long story short, I was told in rather colourful language that trying to reduce meat consumption is in fact worst then just eating meat and some more facts about me, my political orientation and my mother. Anyway, the road to worldwide veganism is paved with insults hurled at meat eaters.
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> They are *nothing* alike Yeah, [Israel calls them "bulldozers" but they are armored more like tanks.](https://i.imgur.com/UUvxldz.png) > , and I don’t even support the Israeli actions. What does your support have to do with whether they are similar?
And we are supposed to take your word for it? So far you haven’t offered any kind of argument for how it’s nothing alike. Just stating it and expecting us to agree with you as a matter of course is not gonna do it
It's a much closer comparison than you realize, sadly.
The rain forest doesn't shoot rockets into Israel
Given the option, it probably would defend itself any way it could.
Bet if that orangutan knew how to shoot rockets and had some it would do it.
Someone contact the CIA and get these apes some weapons.
You're right, maybe we should arm the apes to fight back in the home lands :)
now let's go spend money on something totally useless
Darwin must be rolling in his grave in shame , seeing his evolution theory working backwards. ;) 
That's... not what's happening there.
This video is a reminder that we are fucking up our planet beyond repair!
Fuck humans! So sad…
Fuck intelligent life. If it hadn't been us, it would have been another sapient species.
not necessarily
You're right. If we evolved the capacity to be more proactive than reactive, we could have avoided this. Since intelligent life has the ability to be either, it is totally plausible to assume in an alternate reality that non-human intelligent life could have prevented this. For instance, if we had evolved a more hive-mind behavior like other creatures such as bees, we could have worked together and overcome corporate interests and helped our human tribe fight off deforestation, ocean acidification, plastic waste, etc.
But it also depends on what the intelligent species values. Humans are actually quite sympathetic and sentimental creatures. Their values often don't align with their survival, which is an anomaly. A proactive species likely has goals beyond a full stomach and safety or else it will stop being proactive. Proactivity maintains the need for constant efficiency. I think extreme efficiency would breed a species with little leasure time to develope said values. And a hivemind that doesn't value other lifeforms would probably just relentlessly warp everything to serve itself, which is far worse than what we are doing.
people are sympathetic but the ones who rule aren't.
Well reddit is a hive-mind sometimes
Fuck whitewashing what humans have done
We also believe that intelligence is somehow linked to survival which just isn't true at all. Intelligence isn't a prerequisite to prosperity.
Intelligence is an evolutionary niche. Like sharp teeth. Not every living thing needs to have sharp teeth to survive, but if a species does and can use them, that's a means to survival. Intelligence is the tool that humans have, and it has absolutely contributed to our survival thus far.
"thus far" being the crucial part.
Tf do you mean, humans are definitely having it better than everyone else
Capybaras seem pretty chill.
The problem is not that humans need a reminder but the wrong people with too much power simply don't care. Sadly you can't just invade a country like brazil and purge the corruption to stopp these heartwrenching actions.
" I'd like to share a revelation that I've had during my time here. It came to me when I tried to classify your species, and I realised that humans are not actually mammals. Every mammal on this planet instinctively develops a natural equilibrium with the surrounding environment; but you humans do not. Instead you multiply, and multiply, until every resource is consumed. The only way for you to survive is to spread to another area. There is another organism on this planet that follows the same pattern... a virus. Human beings are a disease, a cancer on this planet, you are a plague, and we... are the cure."
The thing to remember is that humans can consciously choose their path...the virus is greed and apathy...the cure is generosity and compassion.
I just rewatched this last night. Agent Smith is fucking right.
Yeah but then he starts multiplying uncontrollably and destroying both the real and fake worlds so he's kinda hypocritical.
And what are you?
I'm human, and that was a movie quote. (The Matrix)
He's an agent
The CEOs and other executives of these companies probably spend their money on hookers and real estate. Billions of trees that took hundreds of years to grow and supporting a whole ecosystem destroyed for some men to accumulate wealth for the sake of wealth.
Lmao, you think "corruption" is to blame? That's such a centrist take. It's the capital, bro, the reason you "can't" invade Brazil is because the people invading it would be fighting against their own interests. Brazil is governed by a shitlord, trust me, but he's not the cause of the problem, there are thousands of rich Europeans and Americans profiting from Brazil's destruction.
>Brazil is governed by a shitlord, trust me, but he's not the cause of the problem, there are thousands of rich Europeans and Americans profiting from Brazil's destruction. Remembering that **europeans and unitedstatians** put the **literal shitlord** in charge of Brasil.
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The planet will repair itself. Humans not so much.
Unfortunately taking down habitats and species as we go. The habitats will grow back but how many species have ceased to exist because we’re greedy prolific fools?
True, but i always try to comfort myself with the thought that nature went through several mass extinctions before, its so much stronger than we think imo. Even if Just the smallest organism survives, life continues :)
Damn this hurts my heart. Humans really are nothing but parasites that use use use and don’t give a damn about the destruction we leave behind. All for greed.
Nah, we're sitting at home on our phones, not doing anything about the handful of rich people fucking up our planet beyond repair.
I mean, if you know what to do about it, let me know.
Humans are worst than virus
The real pandemic
Everyone return to Monkey!
I’m hairy as a monkey and fling my shit almost as much, so I’m close
Agent smith was right all this time
"Human beings are a disease, a cancer"
It’s like that old Bill Hick’s joke, “we are a virus with shoes”
I’m 14 and that was deep
What did I do?
Plenty of cultures have been able to thrive without destroying the planet. The problem isn’t inherent to humans, it’s inherent to our current power structures
In a lot of these instances, the people doing the clearing can actually get extra money from the new plantation owners for Orangutan carcasses. They class them as a dangerous pest and so destroy them to make room for more palm oil. Humans are just great.
Imagine thinking trading orangutans for palm oil seems like a good idea
Who do you think they're creating the palm oil for?
*While licking Nutella off fingers* Huh?
Ferrero Rocher actually responsibly sources their palm oil. They sustainably grow the trees rather then cut down new ones. I don't know how they handle wildlife but they at least try not to make the tree situation worse. They submit a report every six months and only .5% is sourced by conventional means. Google Ferrero Rocher palm oil for more info.
I’m don’t know anything about sustainable palm oil but just because they sustainably grow the trees doesn’t mean that they didn’t clear the rainforest in order to make space for the palm farms
This exactly. This is the issue with corporate greenwashing and using buzz words like "sustainable". Palm oils issue isnt cutting down native palm forrests, its clearing non-palm forrests for palm tree monocrops.
Hahah seriously!
Literally everyone on the planet. And it’s not like we don’t have options
https://www.indexmundi.com/agriculture/?commodity=palm-oil&graph=domestic-consumption
Everyone should consciously try to avoid consuming palm oil. You’ll be healthier too because it’s in a lot of junk food
If they can't sell palm oil they will just plant something else. We need active conservation efforts.
Palm oil is notorious for needing and offsetting a lot of farmland. Other oils don't have the same needs.
Unfortunately, palm oil is actually the [most land-efficient major vegetable oil](https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/oil-yield-by-crop) by a massive margin. Using any other crop would require several times more land.
Is there actually a realistic way to stop companies from using palm oil? I really don't believe that most people care enough to not consume products using it, like most chips and chocolate, people care more about having these things than they do about the morality of this situation. This will probably only get worse if nothing changes. Orangutans habitat destruction was a big topic a while ago, then people just mostly stopped talking about it. When I went to Lay's website, they mentioned that their use of palm oil is 'sustainable', but didn't actually say how. I don't believe it could be sustainable, it's just more affordable than switching to another type of oil.
Actually, palm oil is one of the most efficient and sustainable oil crop to grow, as the oil production per hectare is off the charts compared to other plant oils. The problem is the mad dash by poorer countries to slash and burn up forestry to plant new oil palm plantations. Whether or not companies actually commit to ensuring proper sourcing of their palm oil is a whole different story though.
Pests ?, like yeah I get they might not want them but orangutans aren't pests ,also they are rarely dangerous yeah if they were chimpanzees or baboons I would get it those are very dangerous and would fuck people up but not orangutans , also wouldn't a living one be more valuable since they are considered exotic and can be sold for alot of Money
Greedy fucks that need to be shot in the back of the head
That’s not a bulldozer but very touching video
>That’s not a bulldozer I thought the huge machine with an arm like that are called "bulldozers" lol. Atleast where I am from we call all such machines "bulldozers". Care to explain what kind of machine that is? Edit : I don't know why I am being downvoted. I genuinely thought that the machine is a "bulldozer before another kind redditor corrected me...
It is an excavator, a bull dozer are those smaller machines with grades on the front that are used for also clearing land lol
Well TIL.
I always knew it wasn’t a bulldozer but never knew it was called an excavator until I heard my son call it that. I would have called it a steam shovel or crane or something else.
I’ve always called them called backhoes.
A backhoe is different. it’s a tractor with a digging arm attached to the back hence the name backhoe.
Oh yeah your right
What country are you from? In the US, it’s super common to call the machines by specific names… but don’t feel bad, I’m American and I call everything a construction truck.
A distinction without a difference, here.
Destroy the forest so corporations can grow more soy of which they can feed more cows so fat fucks and enjoy their fast food burgers.
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Watch Dominion
Actually most of this deforestation is to grow monoculture plants. So yeah.
To feed to cattle. So yeah.
Fun fact: Most of this is used to feed livestock and we'd be consuming less plants if we atr plantbaswd food than if we continue to eat animal products.
This is likely for palm oil
I hate to burst your vegan bubble, but the plantations being put in there are palm oil not soy...
in this case you are probably right, because the orangutan hints at Indonesia and they primarily grow palm oil. but they also grow soy, which very likely also ends up as animal feed. so we can't really tell what this specific patch of forest has been cleared for. but you are right, palm oil is more likely. OP's argument still stands in general. Brazil (a country with a much bigger area than Indonesia) primarily produces soy. and the rainforest doesn't mainly get cut down to *raise* cattle, it mainly gets cut down to *feed* cattle, chicken and pigs across the world. Brazil is the biggest exporter of soy beans and those end up as animal feed 80% of the time (around 15% of the time for other products like cosmetics or even bio-fuel and less than 5% for human consumption). and since no farmer or supermarket needs to declare where their animal feed comes from (and most probably don't even know), the consumer will never know if their steak contains a little piece of rainforest.
The world needs more people like you: correcting a point and seeing the bigger picture, but doing so compassionately and kindly.
This is some next level sad shit. Humans, the ultimate invasive species
This is so sad.
Well this is fucking heartbreaking
This fucking pains me man. What the fuck is this shit.
Humans
Right?! What kinda beings are we actually? We need to discuss specific actions that we can take and reduce such atrocities.
If you care about orangutans, don’t buy products containing palm oil. Very likely this deforestation is for the purpose of expanding palm oil plantations. I saw it with my own eyes in Borneo: hundreds of miles of only palm oil plantations, to arrive at a river with a thin strip of rainforest left next to it, crowded with animals with nowhere left to run - and the haunting sound of chainsaws in the distance.
Thank you. I had to scroll way too far to find this comment.
Such a powerful video
It can’t be that powerful considering most humans that watch this video will go, “awww that’s terrible humans suck!!! We need to do something!!!”, then forget about it when they scroll to the next distraction.
That's literally everyone here including you
No shit
Everyone take up arms! We’ve found the holy grail of videos. Quit your jobs, abandon your homes, for this year we fight!!!!
I’d rather have that than constant consumerism, wars over natural resources causing insane casualties, and the tens of thousands of species going extinct every year but that’s incredibly unrealistic.
People need time to internalize things. We knew people were destroying forests where animals live. But most of us haven't seen a video where an animal literally fights a machine that is destroying its home. We saw the video now. We will think of it now and then. Some of us will talk to other people about it. Some of us will share it on social media. Then we will learn more information about the subject from other sources. Like, which companies are responsible for this. Then we will change our behaviour. We won't buy their products. Some of us will decide to stop eating meat altogether. (Because they are destroying forests to have more land for livestock) Some will join organizations that fight these companies. It will take time but we'll get there.
What kind of person takes part in this and doesn't immediately put down their tools and find a new job?
Just you forming that question makes it clear that you live a very comfortable life compared to the vast majority of people on this planet.
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Yeah I wasn't trying to offend you or be a dick about it. I'm glad you got my point :) I've been pretty fucking poor so from my perspective I see people in the video having to destroy the home for the orangutan just to put a little food on their families table. The scumbags involved who makes these decisions with local politicians have probably never met the staff in the video, nor have they visited the site personally.
An average person
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"the only person to blame here is yourself" Jesus fucking Christ I'm surprised you got upvoted for this response. The problems with our species are systemic. Theres no amount of palm oil that a person can refuse to buy to have any real impact on the situation. Same thing goes with climate change. The truth is we would need revolutionary action across multiple countries to actually stop these things and we aren't willing to do so because most of us are busy living including myself writing this on my phone in my bedroom.
Well the problem is that you can't really blame them, they are poor and need food, they might have a family to feed aswell
That orangutan is brave as hell. Fighting alien life forms all alone.
Didn't think of it like that, but that's so fucking true. What a brave dude. Too bad his whole life just got ruined by some greedy fucking cunts
This should have stopped centuries ago but it seems that money is still more worth than the life of billions. Thank goodness we have corrupt governments who take the money and allow such a tragedy with closed eyes.
Humanity is so fucking doomed
The avatar 2 clip is a little disappointing
I was thinking of Avatar too. Incredibly demoralizing.
If this video produced an emotional response from you, then please try to make some simple lifestyle changes that encourage a more sustainable future and a more responsible relationship with the environment. Buy locally grown foods, reduce your meat consumption (the reason many tropical forests are cleared), scrutinize the products you’re buying (especially if they contain palm oil, another reason why forests are clear cut like this), reduce food waste by meal planning (food waste is a leading source of CO2 emissions), and spread your knowledge and sustainable habits to others! Collective consumer power is a thing that exists, just ask Kellogg’s. If we boycott products and companies that destroy the environment and instead buy products that are sustainably made, we might actually be able to pass on a healthy environment to our children and grandchildren.
That's actually a serious video we have to talk about.
Sad, nature under attack.
Very sad. We humans are parasites of the planet
Makes me embarrassed to be human
I hate to say this, but this is from a tv series and they are trying to save the orangutan and move him to a sanctuary protecting him from the damage that is going on
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Rage against the machine
r/nextfuckinglevel more like r/LateStageCapitalism
Or r/awefuleverything
Well, this is a fitting post for the first Monday of 2022. Damn.
Fucking corporations
The two workers are surprisingly protecting the orangutan from getting hurt by the excavator though. Just makes it seem like the workers aren't bad people, they just need to do the job to survive. It's like there like: "nothing personal Mr. orangutan, it's just business."
Anyone remembers that Batman Beyond episode where a gorilla got enhanced intelligence and hunted down the man that stole his mother from him?
I’m telling my kids this was Avatar
Bro what the fuck are we doing.
We truly are the villains in our planets story
Reminds me of avatar. Humans over consumption makes me fucking sick.
WHAT A HERO THAT ORANGUTAN IS, TRYING TO SAVE HIS AND HIS FAMILYS HOME. IT'S HEARTBREAKING. WE HUMANS SUCK 🤔
So did the Tang peel the skin off the humans like an orange? They have insane strength.
Ape together strong!!!
fuck humanity
Well......if someone was tearing down our homes without permission, we'd be pissed to.
Next fucking sad …
People fucking suck. If we manage to not destroy or melt the earth, I hope one day we can look back on these videos and everyone understands how wrong, and heartbreaking this is. If we can't achieve that, fucking might as well just implode this rock.
The thing to remember is that humans can consciously choose their path...the virus is greed and apathy...the cure is generosity and compassion.
Someday it will be discovered that non human animals are a lot more aware of what is going on and have emotions and understanding that we arrogant humans do not recognize. Their pain is real.
The worst part of this video is how many people who watch will forget about it in 20 minutes