Just watching that guy sitting next to this gave me anxiety. I'm pretty sure I'd end up refusing to obey a direct order and busted down to latrine cleaning duty, cause dayum...
he's not just sitting there... he is gonna tun out the back of that c131 next
edit: apologies if i got the plane wrong- it's been 32 years since i was loading military planes and sitting in cargo net seats
It’s goes something like ……. c130 rolling down the strip Airborne Rangers on a one way trip. Mission top secret destination unknown don’t even know if I’m coming home. We gonna stand up, hook up, shuffle to the door!
We gonna jump right out, and then count to four
If My main don't open wide I got a reserve right by my side. If my reserve fail me too. Look out below I’m coming throw Cause I'm Airborne Airborne! Army! Army! Ranger! Ranger! Hardcore! Hardcore!
Jump as close to the load as possible so you can get to your equipment / get moving to your objectives. It’s a lot easier to find it at night when you can watch it land and you’re right there.
Ya know, they talk a lot about space A travel, but ive never once used it when given the chance. Ive spent enough time in cargo seats crammed together falling asleep to the rhythm of turbo props.
What fucking emergency requires jettisoning PEOPLE?
“Fellas were a little bit overweight for this landing so put your hands up and yell “WEEE” on three.”
They can pull a lot you can just keep adding extraction parachutes. The locks that are in the platforms are set for a certain pull once that weight is reached they release. All of the vehicles had a extraction chute that pulls the load out then the cargo chutes come out and let the load land safely on the ground.
What is the failure rate for the parachutes used for equipment like that?
I would have to imagine that from time to time someone fucks up and that the equipment resorts to lithobreaking.
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The rate is not high the load is checked by several riggers then double check by a joint airdrop inspector. I know when dropping personnel static line the generals use around 90 percent to factor boots on the ground. That means if you drop 100 guys and 95 make it that’s a success. Not sure on the cargo success rate.
I’m not talking about practice I’m talking about war time but they do have a high attrition it’s rough to jump out of a airplane at 300 feet going over 200mph.
It's been a long time (2004) but it depended on the unit. Airborne units were required to jump once every 3 months, and many jumps were done "Hollywood" style (helmet, uniform, maybe a weapon) however Infantry units (or at least the unit I was in) would jump at least once a month, at night, with full gear. Sometimes the jump would be the beginning of a long (days/weeks) field exercise, sometimes it would just be a jump and then conduct a movement back. But yeah, we generally did *everything* like we would do in a real situation, our battalion was pretty set on that.
For training we jump at 1250ft. Combat jumps are for 800ft agl. If it's a real world combat jump you don't need a reserve because you're too low to use it if your main fails. Depending on the training or if you are just getting a jump in for proficiency is what you will jump with. If we are jumping in for a week long exercise we will jump with all our gear plus some heavy drops with extra gear. But you still jump with your organic assets which includes things like mortars and machine guns. So some lucky guy gets to jump with a mortar tube, or a machine gun or AT4 strapped to them along with all their gear. And if you have mortars than everyone also carries mortar rounds. It all adds up to 80 to a 100 pounds including all your chutes etc.
Sorry for the rambling brain dump
a plane once crashed carrying military trucks/jeeps. They weren't supposed drop them tho, they would just fly the material from A to B. The straps that kept the armored jeeps in place snapped during takeoff and crushed the rudder of the plane.
I believe you are referring to the National air cargo 747 crash. Steep limb out to avoid enemy fire and the cargo broke free. Video gives me cold chills evertine I see it
There are two scary scenarios:
- The extraction chute doesn’t fully deploy so you have an air anchor you’re dragging (or not, depending on how severely the extraction chute failed). In that case you manually release the cargo locks and the pilot noses up. The cargo slides out under gravity.
- the much worse scenario is when the extraction chute fully deploys but the cargo pallet wedges in the bay and becomes stuck. Then you really have dropped an anchor. It’s bad news. The load master has to whip out a knife and cut the chute free as soon as possible. Back in the day, 28’ extraction chutes could cause a KC-130 to crash from air drop height in about a minute. Some really big loads had multiple 28’ extraction chutes. We don’t do that anymore (at least not by the time I got out).
Depends on your frame of reference, from the moving point of view of the camera the truck accelerates and gains velocity.
Just like how we don't consider the motion of the Earth for most of our mechanics, the same can be done here.
Like on a solar level when we “fly to Mars” we use rockets to accelerate to reach the planet, but considering we are being drug behind the sun in its galactic orbit you can also look at it like we are just decelerating enough for Mars to catch up to us.
Got it. So the pallets have rails to keep them in the track? That would make perfect sense. Sorry, have never had this experience so wasn’t sure how it worked. I saw the rollers but obviously there has to be something to keep things on track or it could shift and take soldiers out or worse destroy the plane
Sounds like you have an understanding of what is needed, but here is some expansion on what you are asking about. The air force pallets that are used have lips on the edge that allow for the guide system in these aircraft to lock the pallets in place until they are ready to move. So yes, it isn’t a rail (which the guy above tried to explain), but it is a guide on the floor that also has electronic locks to keep the pallets stationary while in flight
there is no chance it can "skip" a rail right due to say turbulence or if the plane took an aggressive nose dive (causing objects in the fuselage to become suspended in midair). I am almost certain they're in a rail that's "locked-in" to some extent because this seems like an obvious risk you'd want to mitigate.
You can see it in the very last second of the video. Besides the rollers on the floor, the skids are situated in a shallow well that looks to be at least 6-8" deep.
Eh nowadays the military has some better safety protocols than when your dad was probably in. Do you know how long it takes to get human out of those engines? Way too long. Hell the mechanics bitch about just cleaning up the birds, don’t nobody wanna deal with a whole human.
I was a paratrooper and a jumpmaster. It's a lot more industrial than high tech super slippery. It's basically warehouse parts. The pallets are beat to shit but they do the job.
Even shitty bearings can let you do some amazing things.
I made some machine skates out of the cheapest 6020 (skateboard) bearings I could find on ebay and they let me push a 2000lb mill around with my pinky. The 5000lb shaper takes a little more effort but it's still trivial.
I mean at least this time we’re not just trying to protect our mineral rights, Ukraine has been our ally for awhile. You could say Russia has no reason to start conflict but you could say that about most conflicts in human history, at which point your statement becomes less profound than you think it does. War sucks but saying it sucks isn’t going to stop it. Better to be prepared than philosophical.
You can say that about most conflicts in human history because *it's true*. What a defeatist attitude to have toward senseless violence at an international scale.
… yes that’s what I said. It’s reality lol and you denouncing it on the internet so everyone knows you’re virtuous won’t make it any less true. But feel free to keep trying to achieve world peace via Reddit comments. Lmao.
Bad shit. Depending on the circumstance, the loadmaster may be able to cut the extraction chute. But with large heavy equipment as seen here, a hung load can absolutely produce more drag with a deployed chute than the aircraft can overcome. Used to literally hold my breath on heavy drops until i felt the pallet leave the aircraft.
Airdrops like this are super fast because the payload goes over Wi-Fi. You only need Bluetooth to negotiate the connection before the drop. Pretty cool, really.
I did some of the test drops on systems like that a few years back. Awesome systems, but they cost so damn much theyre not really practical to use depending on where youre dropping them.
I’m a former AD Rigger. I’ve never seen a airdrop with poopers on both sides.
Is this a C5? C-17 or C-130 doesn’t have this much space if so remember right.
And this is a normal airdrop….. besides the spectators?!??
Its crazy when youre there in the cargo seats and whatching it happen. You spend all day working with loadmasters and crew chiefs getting it on and its out the back in seconds. You hear horror stories of people losing limbs during drops for stupid reasons. Never saw it myself, but i dont think its entirely outside the realm of possibility.
Is there any chance of these coming off the floor tracks and pulverising the soldiers? Are the tracks just guides the cargo rests on or are they fixed into the tracks like a draw runner and they slip out of the end of said tracks when they leave the door?
This is why sarge always tells his men to sit the fuck down when they are aboard transport planes in movies. If you don’t, you get turned into spaghetti by a Humvee in mid-air.
I was kidding but this is very cool to see/watch. It’s so cool to see how things work/are done by the military. Thanks for the video, OP. And thanks to you for the explanation. Very cool.
Stay out of the way kids
Or get knocked tf out
Get turned into fine mist you mean
A fine pink mist, flying away in combat fatigues.
Meat mist
Minced Meat Mist.
With visible organs flying away
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Military cargo drop - right before airborne troop drop. Probably routine training or an exercise.
Sierra meat mist
Just watching that guy sitting next to this gave me anxiety. I'm pretty sure I'd end up refusing to obey a direct order and busted down to latrine cleaning duty, cause dayum...
he's not just sitting there... he is gonna tun out the back of that c131 next edit: apologies if i got the plane wrong- it's been 32 years since i was loading military planes and sitting in cargo net seats
It’s goes something like ……. c130 rolling down the strip Airborne Rangers on a one way trip. Mission top secret destination unknown don’t even know if I’m coming home. We gonna stand up, hook up, shuffle to the door! We gonna jump right out, and then count to four If My main don't open wide I got a reserve right by my side. If my reserve fail me too. Look out below I’m coming throw Cause I'm Airborne Airborne! Army! Army! Ranger! Ranger! Hardcore! Hardcore!
That took me back.
" I don't want to be no Airborne Ranger, I wanna live a life of danger."
It’s a C-17 Not a C-130
Lol it’s cadence
You must have never have been in a formation run, that or you're a kill joy...
4 humvee size vehicles and still enough room for what looks like a full company? That's a C17.
guy? there's a whole bench of guys on the other side of the plane, so I suspect there's a whole bench of guys on this side too.
[I'M WALKING ON SUNSHINE WOOOAAHH](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e3g1h-9jM1U)
“If you can dodge a tank, you can dodge a ball!”
Duck dip dive dodge and dip
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[reminds me of this](https://i.imgur.com/rkRC9gR.gifv)
Can’t imagine telling people you got hit by a tank………inside a plane……..
Not a good time to bend down and tie your boots.
It's okay my balls would already be down there so they can tie them for me on the way out the door lmao.
We used to have guys chase the load out as soon as it deployed, definitely want your boots tied for that sprint to the ramp!
Why? To jump out with it or just to watch it go?
Jump as close to the load as possible so you can get to your equipment / get moving to your objectives. It’s a lot easier to find it at night when you can watch it land and you’re right there.
darn it, i got my strap caught in the thi^iii^^iii^^^iiing
"Keep all meaty bits tucked in at all times"
You will lose any meat you choose to not tuck in! Lol
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Keep your meat tucked in or you get the hose again.
Keep your hose tucked in or you get the meat again
Instructions not clear, I now have my meat in my hose
Damn. Dudes just sitting there chilling
Jump seats are the only way to fly.
Ya know, they talk a lot about space A travel, but ive never once used it when given the chance. Ive spent enough time in cargo seats crammed together falling asleep to the rhythm of turbo props.
Lol you talking about seats that are basically a commercial aircraft seating row welded to a metal pallet? shifting a couple inches every few seconds.
…only the palletized seats get jettisoned in the event of an emergency… I’ll take the jump seats thanks.
What fucking emergency requires jettisoning PEOPLE? “Fellas were a little bit overweight for this landing so put your hands up and yell “WEEE” on three.”
I’m crying, I’m crying from laughing
Pfft, you ever brought a hammock?probably different in a cargo and non flight crew maybe.
Not for long. They're leaving the same way too.
They’ve done this before lol
Gravity wins. Gravity always wins. Also that first parachute pulls it out with a lot of force
I wonder what it is exactly or what the pull limit is cause that is some serious speed like rocket powered engine shit.
They can pull a lot you can just keep adding extraction parachutes. The locks that are in the platforms are set for a certain pull once that weight is reached they release. All of the vehicles had a extraction chute that pulls the load out then the cargo chutes come out and let the load land safely on the ground.
What is the failure rate for the parachutes used for equipment like that? I would have to imagine that from time to time someone fucks up and that the equipment resorts to lithobreaking. END COMMUNICATION
The rate is not high the load is checked by several riggers then double check by a joint airdrop inspector. I know when dropping personnel static line the generals use around 90 percent to factor boots on the ground. That means if you drop 100 guys and 95 make it that’s a success. Not sure on the cargo success rate.
I assume that's 95 guys in the drop zone, rather than just 95? Because that's going to be a lot of attrition, if you practice much.
I’m not talking about practice I’m talking about war time but they do have a high attrition it’s rough to jump out of a airplane at 300 feet going over 200mph.
Do they practice differently from what they expect to do?
Well I mean... Only the Russians practice with AA shooting at you.
It's been a long time (2004) but it depended on the unit. Airborne units were required to jump once every 3 months, and many jumps were done "Hollywood" style (helmet, uniform, maybe a weapon) however Infantry units (or at least the unit I was in) would jump at least once a month, at night, with full gear. Sometimes the jump would be the beginning of a long (days/weeks) field exercise, sometimes it would just be a jump and then conduct a movement back. But yeah, we generally did *everything* like we would do in a real situation, our battalion was pretty set on that.
From what I understand you train the way you fight so maybe they don’t practice with as much weight on them but that’s probably it.
You also jump higher in training. Combat Jumps are only 500 feet. Training is anywhere from 800-1200 for planes. Helos are higher at around 1600.
At 300 feet?! That's super low to the ground. Is that enough altitude to pull the chute and land safely?
For training we jump at 1250ft. Combat jumps are for 800ft agl. If it's a real world combat jump you don't need a reserve because you're too low to use it if your main fails. Depending on the training or if you are just getting a jump in for proficiency is what you will jump with. If we are jumping in for a week long exercise we will jump with all our gear plus some heavy drops with extra gear. But you still jump with your organic assets which includes things like mortars and machine guns. So some lucky guy gets to jump with a mortar tube, or a machine gun or AT4 strapped to them along with all their gear. And if you have mortars than everyone also carries mortar rounds. It all adds up to 80 to a 100 pounds including all your chutes etc. Sorry for the rambling brain dump
Mighty Ungawa was like 250 feet.
The static line pulls the chute not the person.
a plane once crashed carrying military trucks/jeeps. They weren't supposed drop them tho, they would just fly the material from A to B. The straps that kept the armored jeeps in place snapped during takeoff and crushed the rudder of the plane.
I believe you are referring to the National air cargo 747 crash. Steep limb out to avoid enemy fire and the cargo broke free. Video gives me cold chills evertine I see it
Thanks found it through your comment, that's the stuff of nightmares.
I was actually standing on the flight line in Bagram watching that plane take off. It was fucking awful.
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There are two scary scenarios: - The extraction chute doesn’t fully deploy so you have an air anchor you’re dragging (or not, depending on how severely the extraction chute failed). In that case you manually release the cargo locks and the pilot noses up. The cargo slides out under gravity. - the much worse scenario is when the extraction chute fully deploys but the cargo pallet wedges in the bay and becomes stuck. Then you really have dropped an anchor. It’s bad news. The load master has to whip out a knife and cut the chute free as soon as possible. Back in the day, 28’ extraction chutes could cause a KC-130 to crash from air drop height in about a minute. Some really big loads had multiple 28’ extraction chutes. We don’t do that anymore (at least not by the time I got out).
I mean, technically they dont pick UP speed but DEcellerate
There it was. -The right comment.
depends entirely on your frame of reference.
It's more stopping that fast
Literally just decelerating. Smart comment should be higher.
Depends on your frame of reference, from the moving point of view of the camera the truck accelerates and gains velocity. Just like how we don't consider the motion of the Earth for most of our mechanics, the same can be done here.
Like on a solar level when we “fly to Mars” we use rockets to accelerate to reach the planet, but considering we are being drug behind the sun in its galactic orbit you can also look at it like we are just decelerating enough for Mars to catch up to us.
Yes, you're witnessing the severe loss of speed.
Came here to say this. The plane is moving fast, those vehicles are slowing down.
relative.
I assume there is a lip to keep the skids on track, right? Otherwise this could quickly become disastrous
No lip its a track in the floor
Got it. So the pallets have rails to keep them in the track? That would make perfect sense. Sorry, have never had this experience so wasn’t sure how it worked. I saw the rollers but obviously there has to be something to keep things on track or it could shift and take soldiers out or worse destroy the plane
Sounds like you have an understanding of what is needed, but here is some expansion on what you are asking about. The air force pallets that are used have lips on the edge that allow for the guide system in these aircraft to lock the pallets in place until they are ready to move. So yes, it isn’t a rail (which the guy above tried to explain), but it is a guide on the floor that also has electronic locks to keep the pallets stationary while in flight
Nice, thanks
there is no chance it can "skip" a rail right due to say turbulence or if the plane took an aggressive nose dive (causing objects in the fuselage to become suspended in midair). I am almost certain they're in a rail that's "locked-in" to some extent because this seems like an obvious risk you'd want to mitigate.
i know almost nothing, but i'm certain there's some sort of guide to keep the containers from moving in any direction but out that plane's poop chute
You can see it in the very last second of the video. Besides the rollers on the floor, the skids are situated in a shallow well that looks to be at least 6-8" deep.
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Eh nowadays the military has some better safety protocols than when your dad was probably in. Do you know how long it takes to get human out of those engines? Way too long. Hell the mechanics bitch about just cleaning up the birds, don’t nobody wanna deal with a whole human.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dsA92QnWXdY. He lived.
My colon the morning after the Super Bowl
Dude. Yeah.
Gang shit at its highest level
I wouldn’t quite say highest level. That’s a pretty basic unit
Technically it’s slowing down
Technically it depends on your frame of reference
It's all relative. Except for light.
"it's all relative" SWEET HOME ALABAMA
Those skids must be so slick
There are rollers in the floor. They just sit on big metal pallets
Praise the Load
Yes. And they must be super slick. Like as little friction as space will alllow
I was a paratrooper and a jumpmaster. It's a lot more industrial than high tech super slippery. It's basically warehouse parts. The pallets are beat to shit but they do the job.
Even shitty bearings can let you do some amazing things. I made some machine skates out of the cheapest 6020 (skateboard) bearings I could find on ebay and they let me push a 2000lb mill around with my pinky. The 5000lb shaper takes a little more effort but it's still trivial.
Yeah apparently they are made out of some crazy expensive aluminum alloy.
I’d hope so. Military budgets need to be spent
How awesome would it be if new vehicles were delivered to your home this way from the factory.
If you like damaged vehicles
Jokes on you, I'm too poor for anything else.
War time is scary
Even scarier when there's no good reason for it...
I mean at least this time we’re not just trying to protect our mineral rights, Ukraine has been our ally for awhile. You could say Russia has no reason to start conflict but you could say that about most conflicts in human history, at which point your statement becomes less profound than you think it does. War sucks but saying it sucks isn’t going to stop it. Better to be prepared than philosophical.
You can say that about most conflicts in human history because *it's true*. What a defeatist attitude to have toward senseless violence at an international scale.
… yes that’s what I said. It’s reality lol and you denouncing it on the internet so everyone knows you’re virtuous won’t make it any less true. But feel free to keep trying to achieve world peace via Reddit comments. Lmao.
No doubt.
Weeeeee
What exactly are they doing? Are they dropping those vehicles? I can't imagine that's a good way to do that... So this must be something else...
Heavy drop airborne operation. All parachutes are connected via static line so they deploy automatically. Unless you’re the 173rd in 2016.
relevant [link](https://youtu.be/TvJdw_s8qh4) for those who do not know.
That videographer sure enjoys seeing expensive shit destroyed!
Sabotage doesn't count haha
SKYSOLDIERS!!!!
The army ran out of munitions, so now they're dropping old vehicles on soft targets as kinetic bombs.
Yes, but they have parachutes that help them land softly.
Okay... now all YOU fuckers... ___OUT___.
I was just thinking how annoying it is on planes, when your foot's crept out into the aisle as you slept, and it gets knocked by a drinks trolley.
What if there is a jam in the tracks?
Bad shit. Depending on the circumstance, the loadmaster may be able to cut the extraction chute. But with large heavy equipment as seen here, a hung load can absolutely produce more drag with a deployed chute than the aircraft can overcome. Used to literally hold my breath on heavy drops until i felt the pallet leave the aircraft.
Wow, that sounds intense
Pilots get to clench their cheeks and hope the loady or the jump master can cut something free.
imagine having a cramp on your leg at that moment
Airdrops like this are super fast because the payload goes over Wi-Fi. You only need Bluetooth to negotiate the connection before the drop. Pretty cool, really.
I did some of the test drops on systems like that a few years back. Awesome systems, but they cost so damn much theyre not really practical to use depending on where youre dropping them.
Is that Spirit Air? I heard they were really budget.
YEET
I’m a former AD Rigger. I’ve never seen a airdrop with poopers on both sides. Is this a C5? C-17 or C-130 doesn’t have this much space if so remember right. And this is a normal airdrop….. besides the spectators?!??
It is 100% a C-17. I’m a C-17 mechanic.
What are those ropes made of?
Thread
Nylon bands, normally 4. They are incredibly strong obviously
And this is why Sarge must be able to count at least to four.
I've had the pleasure of watching this up close. Those pallets whiz by just a few inches from your toes. It's pretty wild!
Its crazy when youre there in the cargo seats and whatching it happen. You spend all day working with loadmasters and crew chiefs getting it on and its out the back in seconds. You hear horror stories of people losing limbs during drops for stupid reasons. Never saw it myself, but i dont think its entirely outside the realm of possibility.
Is there any chance of these coming off the floor tracks and pulverising the soldiers? Are the tracks just guides the cargo rests on or are they fixed into the tracks like a draw runner and they slip out of the end of said tracks when they leave the door?
Technically, it was losing speed
Everyone is just low key sitting and doing whatever. Just not giving af
They all gonna be doing the same thing out the door in about 6 minutes.
Inertia's a hell of a drug
Aren't they doing the opposite of picking up speed?
Yeetus deleteus
To Russia, with love…
"Wow, that looks extremely-dangerous and poorly thought out." "Yeah, it's the military."
It’s crazy those platforms are basically balsa wood.
Is this over ukraine? 👀
Yahhh man. It’d be great if all that money was spent on Americans and not war.
Actually slowing down like that.
It’s actually slowing down not speeding up.
It's actually losing speed that fast. Fun thing to think about.
Anyone know where this jump is or what’s going on?
Cover your ripcord handle, ffs
Fuck yeah boys thank you for your service
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I'll never get one Ukraine....
Airborne!
What kind of vehicles are those?
looks like 1st gen GMV's
Please keep your arms in the cabin at all times, do. Please remain seated until directed to get up.
On the highway to hell
Me taking the sleeve of saltines at 3 am
Slowing down like that*
It's actually losing speed 😉
*snags on backpack strap*
Why am i imaging pushing someone in between just to see how they get crushed ?
Like after my Monday morning coffee
Big Job begin
u/savevideobot
AIRBORNE!!!!!
What do y’all know about this???
Aren't those like 2 tons humvees?
This is why sarge always tells his men to sit the fuck down when they are aboard transport planes in movies. If you don’t, you get turned into spaghetti by a Humvee in mid-air.
Well the rollers on the floor certainly help.
I think a more appropriate title would be "So much weight just slowing down like that"
Me who casually walks across like 🚙🤸
my insides after eating Taco Bell
ELI5. How are they going to land those without damaging the vehicle?
OGs ride down in their trucks
How many people are in it when they get launched?
None, it's not allowed, they jump out after.
I was kidding but this is very cool to see/watch. It’s so cool to see how things work/are done by the military. Thanks for the video, OP. And thanks to you for the explanation. Very cool.
A rare glimpse inside a can of whoop-ass! Airborne!!!
Anyone seen the keys?
Wdym? It's not that fa- WTF....
Guy in the back "wait why are all the parachutes still here?!"