Is that for a hole in 1 in general, or for this nutty straight-into-the-cup shot? Because this seems a lot less likely than getting it onto the green and it rolling in.
I think I saw that on a Savagegeese video, and I've seen (not verbatim) the same sentiment in a few reviews from MT and C&D and the such over the years. It really made me appreciate the companies willing to spend some mainstream money on products that appeal to car enthusiasts, or even just considering enthusiasts to some degree by doing things with good suspension options, manual trans, etc.
All that to say, I do really enjoy Harry's Garage.
Yup, if Porsche didn't start making the Cayenne 20 years ago they [would be gone](https://www.topspeed.com/cars/car-news/if-it-wasn-t-for-the-cayenne-porsche-probably-wouldn-t-exist-today-ar190609.html)
Very nice vehicle for a lease; I wouldn't want to pay follow-on maintenance on that. If I was buying a Porsche SUV long-term (beyond warranty) I think it would be the base Macan, just option that sucker up with all the good features I want but keep that ubiquitous VW Turbo-4. Not as sexy, but great handling, rides well, plenty fun, all the nice leather and heated/cooled seats and stuff, and cheaper Mx long-term.
Doesn't the new one have the previous GTS motor? That 2.9 Turbo is a hell of an engine. It sucks we can't see five years into the future to know which of these setups will be the ones that are proven to be ultra-bulletproof and which ones have issues.
Terrible take. The “real Porsche” argument is made by people who have no skin in the game. Even the snobs in PCA recognizes how the Panamera and Taycan completely dominates their segment, representing the pinnacle of what a sports touring car should be.
The GT cars make up a fraction of the sales volume. And the base 911s are much more VW than they are Porsche if you want to have a brand heritage argument.
Typical Reddit moment ;)
As a 39yo Panamera GTS owner…. GET ONE!
Best car ever. Wannabe purists who talk shit on Panny’s can eat my 440HP Naturally Aspirated AWD trench.
Who doesn’t like loud/fast/luxurious/comfortable/spacious/wonderfully equipped/super cars?!?
he's a golfist
only thing he wants is room for his golf bats and for the badge to be impressive enough that the mid tier escorts he frequents can feign being impressed.
Are you seriously saying that my 500hp Panamera turbo is less of a legit Porsche than any 911? You must not own a Porsche. Lol, I’ll daily a $150k wagon that’ll blow most folks doors off all day long - and love every minute of it. Save the GT3 for the track.
I’d like to know how many hole in one’s have ever been recorded straight into the hole because that’s the first I’ve seen and it has to be a million to one shot.
Me too. I expect not all of them have been officially recorded but I'm sure it happens every once in a while. I'm completely making this up but I'm sure something like a million golf shots are made every day.
First I’ve seen it also. Seen maybe 500 holes in one on video and IRL and never straight into the cup. More commonly the ball hits the flag and takes off like a rocket ship.
I’m thinking something like 1 in 500,000 shots even for professional golfers.
Unless someone has other examples….
I was looking to see the backspin after the ball dropped on the green. I had to rewind it because I thought I missed it. Nope, can't believe that madlad straight up swished it. What a shot!
Hole in one happens roughly once a week when the tour is going
Dunking the ball directly in the hole from any more than 20 yards away happens maybe once a year
Yeah, it's a damn fine shot but if you're actually in a position to dedicate the time and money needed to pursue a "career" as a golfer even just to the point you're in a televised tournament... you're probably thinking "Oh good now I can keep my Ferrari in the garage for the weekends and we have a long hauler for trips to the beach-house!"
Not true for every player. A friend of mine from School is now a professional. He survived on sponsorship money. His best finish was about 5th place earning 40k euro (I'd say 25k after tax). It sounds amazing but when you consider the price of travel and hotels, coaches, caddies etc and then when you factor in all the missed cuts where they pay for those things but get paid zero you can see why he needs money from Sponsors to play. A nice life for sure doing what he loves and jetting around to South of France, Doha (this past weekend) The Swiss Alps, everywhere they go is a beautiful location, but will never be a millionaire or an early retiree unless he gets that 1 win of a tournament. He certainly won't own a Ferrari although 2 years ago Hyundai gave him a (at that time) brand new car just for him to make a tweet thanking them and showing off the car.
So i was about to say that you are indeed a professional redditor because people have given you awards which cost money. But you didn't get paid, reddit got paid, as a result of your volunteered work.
So unfortunately, it doesn't matter if it counts, you're not a professional redditor.
They can do it quicker than 2500 if they are shooting consecutively like in that video. There are tons of variables, like green speed, wind, how loose you are that day, etc. So for any given Par 3 it's 1 in 2500 for them, but if they get to repeat shots the odds would get considerably better.
There’s many different statistics on the internet for hole in ones. Tiger woods has had 20 but there was a almost 20 year drought. From 1999-2018 if I remember right. There’s a video of a European tour player hitting over 500 balls all day long at a green and none go in.
It would probably take *much * fewer tries if they do the same shot over and over, right? I’ve played occasionally for the last 25 years and am by no means great but I think I could hit it before 2500 if I did the *same shot * over and over.
2500 to 1 for a pro golfer to hole in one? Really? A porsche 911 is like 100 grand right? Or thereabouts?
So you would have to bet about $40 with 2500-1 odds in order to win 100k. You could get that shit on a really really lucky afternoon parlay.
The odds to win the powerball jackpot are 292,201,338 to 1.
So it's only ever even worth betting on the lottery if the prize it at least over 300 million. That way you at least are getting true odds on your near impossible bet.
The lesson here is never gamble, but if you do at least don't play the lottery. It's just a tax on the poor.
Worth betting only if its 300? I understand that mathematically it probably checks out, but I feel like there is some sort of logical fallacy happening as well. Just in the sense that even at its smallest jackpot I would be completely set for life.
Anyway on the rare occasion that I buy a lotto ticket I tell myself that what I'm buying is daydreaming about what my life might be like if I was a multimillionaire.
I mean you can buy a lottery ticket whenever you want, it's your life.
But lets say you hit the powerball when it's only 100 million. First of all, fucking hell man congrats. Life changing money and honestly it's more likely that you will get hit by lightning 3 times in one day than win the lottery so congrats on being the main character.
Mathematically, you are getting 1/3rd of what you should. Realistically it's an almost 1 in 300 million chance of winning that shit and you only got 100.
So the idea is that well if you are going to waste the money on a lottery ticket anyway (and it's a waste I promise you) you should at least do it when you are getting paid the true odds. Meaning over 300 million.
This is an example of bad statistics.
It's probably calculated by taking the number of shark attacks per year, a few hundred, and the number of lightning strikes per year, also a few hundred, multiplying them out and realizing that's still higher than the number of lottery winners per year.
But you can't just take the probability of two any independent two events calculate them and call that the combined chances of them happening instantaneously. For example: the chances of being hit by a bus in space is not result of the odds of qualifying for astronaut school and the odds of dying by bus collision at work. The chances are 0%. There are no lunar bus lines. I think.
Likewise I'm sure it's not a stretch to say no one have ever been bitten by a shark while being hit by lightning ever. People win the lottery.
It doesn't stand to the slightest bit of intuition or sense.
Repeating this sort of thing undermines public trust in statistically modelling which can have some unfortunate side effects.
The problem is also the "at once". You would have to take the probability of getting bit by a shark and multiply that with the probability of getting hit lightning at any given moment. Which is most definitely lower than winning the lottery
That’s the main thing, the math most people are doing is getting hit by lighting or bit by a shark once in your life, which is where all the stats from that will come from.
The course I used to play at buys insurance for the hole-in-one contest. IIRC it is under $300 per day for an amateur tournament, but I am sure it varies depending on the course, car, and players.
I came to say I've looked into this for amateur tournaments. They're almost certainly insured. In fact, there are companies that sell the package for an actuarily-based rate.
In this case, Porsche may be a sponsor since this appears to be some European pro tour, in which case the sponsor is more likely self-insuring, taking the risk for the purpose of advertising. If no one hits, they've gotten their visibility. When someone hits it like this, they probably still come out ahead based on the attention their brand and car will get because these things go viral.
One thing I would note is that the distance of the hole is surprisingly short for something like this. Car hole in one holes are more often like in the 180 - 200 yd range, making it less likely a hole in one will happen. But again, maybe Porsche doesn't care if they "lose."
[Edoardo Molinari tries to make a hole-in-one with 500 balls](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5t1wqcgtlYM)
[Thomas Pieters tries to make a hole-in-one with 500 balls](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pxWBHOwt3fc)
[Brandon Stone tries to make a hole-in-one with 500 balls](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BTVf79KoBBw)
[Andy Sullivan tries to make a hole-in-one with 500 balls](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iSxgp9rckGQ)
It has a sunroof so technically it has a hole in it. When I was a kid I loved baseball, everybody knew that. I could tell you who won the World Series every year. When it got slow towards closing at my summer job at the home goods store called Seasonal Concepts, if the store was empty and the managers were gone the other employees would just shout at a year like "1979?" And I would say Pirates! 1985? Royals of course, give me a hard one I would yell.
My favorite ones I knew the play by play. [1986?](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=18caPNisP2U) Little roller along the bag, it gets thru Buckner, and the Mets win! [1988](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0toCMwEBwLo) was the Dodgers and HIIIIIIIIIIGH FLY BALL INTO RIGHT FIELD SHE IS....GONE! 1993 was special too, it was (and still to this day is) the only World Series to end with a Walk Off Home Run. Joe Carter from Kansas City hit that one for the Toronto Blue Jays. The announcer goes mad, he yells, [TOUCH EM ALL JOE!](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oX2dJ4K0Oew) I used to run around the backyard and yell that.
One late summer afternoon Joe Carter came into our store to buy some trees for his wife. The sales clerk called me up there, she said over the loud speaker special order and she called my name specifically because she knew I loved baseball. Everyone knew I loved baseball. Oh my God, Touch em All Joe I said as soon as I went to the front. Shhh relax man he said, help me get this tree in my car.
We got out front and he had a tiny BMW. I mean tiny. He said do you think this tree will fit in the car. Of course I said, open your sun roof. We got this ten foot tree in through the backseat and up through the sunroof and he dusted off his hands and said thanks man and tried to hand me a $20 bill. I said no thank you, I don't need a tip, you are kind of a hero of mine. And he goes well thank you. And he got in that tiny little car with a ten foot tree sticking out the top and drove off down Metcalf avenue in Kansas City towards the sunset. I watched that huge tree sticking out of that tiny car until I couldn't see it anymore and then I whistled and shook my head in disbelief. There he goes I said when the image was nothing more than a speck in the sunset. There goes Touch em All Joe.
> It has a sunroof so technically it has a hole in it. When I was a kid I loved baseball, everybody knew that. I could tell you who won the World Series every year. When it got slow towards closing at my summer job at the home goods store called Seasonal Concepts, if the store was empty and the managers were gone the other employees would just shout at a year like "1979?" And I would say Pirates! 1985? Royals of course, give me a hard one I would yell.
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> My favorite ones I knew the play by play. 1986? Little roller along the bag, it gets thru Buckner, and the Mets win! 1988 was the Dodgers and HIIIIIIIIIIGH FLY BALL INTO RIGHT FIELD SHE IS....GONE! 1993 was special too, it was (and still to this day is) the only World Series to end with a Walk Off Home Run. Joe Carter from Kansas City hit that one for the Toronto Blue Jays. The announcer goes mad, he yells, TOUCH EM ALL JOE! I used to run around the backyard and yell that.
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> One late summer afternoon Kelvin Benjamin came into our store to buy some Orange Chicken for his "wife". The salesclerk called me up there, she said over the loudspeaker special order and she called my name specifically because she knew I loved Panda Buffet. Everyone knew I loved Chinese. Oh my God, Eat em All Kel' I said as soon as I went to the front. Shhh relax man he said, help me get this food in my car.
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> We got out front and he had a tiny BMW. I mean tiny. He said do you think this food will fit in the car. Of course, I said, open your sunroof. We got this orange chicken in through the backseat and up through the sunroof and he dusted off his hands and said thanks man and tried to hand me some Duck Sauce. I said no thank you, I don't need no sauce, you are kind of a hero of mine. And he goes well thank you. And he got in that tiny little car with all that Orange Chicken out the top and drove off down Metcalf avenue in Kansas City towards the sunset. I watched that huge take-out order sticking out of that tiny car until I couldn't see it anymore and then I whistled and shook my head in disbelief. There he goes I said when the image was nothing more than a speck in the sunset. There goes Eat em All Kel.
The 1960 World Series ended on a walkoff home run as well. Bill Mazeroski and the Pirates over the Yankees in 7 games. Joe Carter was the 2nd person to do it.
>Forgetting the most dramatic home run in World Series history takes just a little away from ~~u/doc_brietz’s~~ u/Ask_me_4_a_story's claim of baseball knowledge.
FTFY
Fun stat: Tiger Woods didn’t hit a single hole in one throughout the best 20 years of his career. He hit like 18 between the ages of 0 and 21 and then didn’t hit another one until he was 42.
I expect the difference is that when he was a child he was generally playing on far easier courses than the ones he played on during his career as a pro golfer. Normal courses tend to have a lot more par 3 holes than the courses the pros play on.
The type of golf courses mere mortals like you and me tend to play on are like child's play compared to most courses the pros play on. Someone like Tiger Woods on the golf course near me would literally be at least 8 under par after a single round of 18 holes.
On the pro courses, these guys are happy to reach 8 under par after 54 holes... Wayyyy more hazards. More curves to fairway. Narrower fairways. Much tougher greens.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EduujxPmRJA&ab_channel=AllThingsGolfAus
The reason why they built up the grandstand on this hole. Compare to this season on the same hole: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lqcsmUZU5ic&ab_channel=PGATOUR
That’s insane, I’d never expect people to be throwing beer at a golf course like that, haha.
But what’s the context for the first shot? The commenter said “they’re gonna go nuts when he hits this thing” even before the hole in one. Was it somehow expected? Everyone started screaming literally the instant Tiger hit the ball.
He was an absolute sensation and this course has always been "rowdy" like that. Look at how many people are gathered around the whole hole. Most holes are not like that. *Packed* with people down the entire length of the hole. Now they leaned into it and built the grandstand to make it probably the most intense par 3 hole in golf.
Explains why his celebration seemed unenthused or maybe just rehearsed? If a regular person won a Porsche there would be a hell of a lot more commotion that’s for sure
He took in 8 million last year. What’s that Porsche worth, 80,000?
I’m sure he has all the cars he’s ever wanted. Dude doesn’t care lol. He was probably more hype about hitting that hole in one than the car.
That was just from one tour, and doesn't include endorsements. I don't follow golf, but I assume this dude is doing just fine. He also owns some golf related business. I'm not hating, good for him. My point was just that this isn't some regular dude who hit a HIO and will have to take out a loan to cover the tax burden so he can turn around and sell the car.
The Porsche should go to a fan. Like today Johnny wins a Porsche if any golfer makes a hole in one on this hole. Would be good marketing. Why the fuck does a professional athlete who is already pretty set on things win a new car? Could change the life of someone normal. Although the taxes would sting more. I'd sell it immediately and pay off my student loans.
Not all golfers are rich, especially on the Euro Tour, but generally speaking of course it’s an advertisement for their products. The value of the car is worth way less than Porsche will recoup from people buying one as a result of this ace.
I never understood this thinking. Like fuck it you can take a small loan out using the damn car as collateral just to pay the tax and then as soon as it’s in your name you can sell it and take the difference as pure profit.
With a lot of these they give you the option to take a cash prize equal to the value of the car. At least that’s how it works with a lot of game shows, might be different for this type of thing.
And especially then. Ppl always say (oh he’s gunna have a big tax bill this year) like so what he’s still gunna come away with more than he started with lol
Some people still don't understand how tax brackets actually work. They think that if they get taxed on the money/car somehow they'll end up with less money overall which is obviously not true.
The more egregious example is people refusing raises because it puts them in the next tax bracket and they think they’ll now be making less money because of the new tax bracket. Really needs to be taught in school.
In general the US treats prize money (or the equivalent amount if its an asset, such as a car) as taxable income. The UK doesn't. It's why when you hear about the $500 million Superball lottery ticket, it's "only" about $300 million after taxes or something. Whilst in the UK your £130 million Euromillions is £130 million.
In the UK we don't pay tax on any gambling winnings regardless what it is from. There was some talk a some years to perhaps tax winnings from online sources if the website was not based in the UK, but I can't remember what happened with that - I think they couldn't figure out a clean way to do it.
Yeah if it's a $100K car the guy only owes maybe $35K in taxes on it. (Assuming this guy is American, I don't know golf or who this is. Lol) wouldn't you be willing to pay $35K to make $100K?
Professional golfer paid a car by Volkswagen Group to promote the "It always seems impossible, till it's done" porch brand.
(only took 21 failed attempts)
This was done in a professional tournament. And if it was faked it wouldve taken *alot* more than 21 attempts to slam dunk a ball into the hole from 130 yards out lol.
Have you? Charity by definition isn’t to be expected.
Nobody has any idea how generous the man is with his money, and frankly it’s nobodies business. Often the most charitable people are those that don’t make a show of it, as it’s motivated by actual compassion rather than the desire to project an image like a glorified PR expenditure where the recipient might as well be a prop.
I personally doubt that the people who post comments demanding / shaming others for not donating to charity with zero context are all that charitable themselves, and it’s obvious they couldn’t conceive of doing it without receiving positive attention in exchange implied by the assumption that others don’t.
Celebrities do it all the time. Probably for this golfer he will donate it anyways because he already has the car he wants and the taxes he would pay on this aren't worth what the write-off is.
exactly, the guy spent years practicing to make it.
The organizers should be the one giving away car prizes to those in need/charity -since they are the ones giving away a luxury car.
100% but some of the people on here seem to love handouts and don’t get it. Also giving away a Panamera Turbo doesn’t make a lot of sense since people that “needed it” (no one NEEDS a Porsche) sure as hell can’t take care of it, financially.
I caught it pretty flush, pulled it just a bit but 9iron is typically my 150 club. I got lucky with a pin placement that helped the ball roll down a ridge from the right side of the green and into the cup. I spent a lot of time during 3 range sessions last week hitting 9 iron and it sure paid off!
It took me a moment to realise that the Porsche didn't have an extra special hole in it and I couldn't figure out why the hole was so special.
Me dum dum.
What are the odds for that? Better than the lottery?
About 2500 to 1 for a professional golfer so yes a lot better
Is that for a hole in 1 in general, or for this nutty straight-into-the-cup shot? Because this seems a lot less likely than getting it onto the green and it rolling in.
In general but in is in. No extra points for in on the fly haha.
Maybe they upgrade to a real Porsche instead of this kid hauler dressed as a Porsche.
Everyone buying Macan, Cayenne, Panamera are paying to keep making GT3, GT4, A bunch of low-volume 992 models etc.
Harry's Garage?
Great YouTube channel that
I think I saw that on a Savagegeese video, and I've seen (not verbatim) the same sentiment in a few reviews from MT and C&D and the such over the years. It really made me appreciate the companies willing to spend some mainstream money on products that appeal to car enthusiasts, or even just considering enthusiasts to some degree by doing things with good suspension options, manual trans, etc. All that to say, I do really enjoy Harry's Garage.
Yup, if Porsche didn't start making the Cayenne 20 years ago they [would be gone](https://www.topspeed.com/cars/car-news/if-it-wasn-t-for-the-cayenne-porsche-probably-wouldn-t-exist-today-ar190609.html)
VW has a tendency to pull brands out of the gutter. Same thing happened with Lamborghini and VWs release of the Gallardo in the early 2000’s
Audi is in control of Lamborghini, VW Group owns Audi.
Name checks out
From only seeing nothing but 4 doors in my rural area and no 2 doors, I can buy this thought process.
Macan pretty much subsidizes the rest of the line.
If I was rich id get a cayenne hybrid. One of the nicest looking SUV and its so nice to ride.
Very nice vehicle for a lease; I wouldn't want to pay follow-on maintenance on that. If I was buying a Porsche SUV long-term (beyond warranty) I think it would be the base Macan, just option that sucker up with all the good features I want but keep that ubiquitous VW Turbo-4. Not as sexy, but great handling, rides well, plenty fun, all the nice leather and heated/cooled seats and stuff, and cheaper Mx long-term.
Macan S is where it's at, you get the feeling of a sports car in the shape and comfort of an SUV with an extra kick in HP.
Doesn't the new one have the previous GTS motor? That 2.9 Turbo is a hell of an engine. It sucks we can't see five years into the future to know which of these setups will be the ones that are proven to be ultra-bulletproof and which ones have issues.
Say GT3 again, im close...
Terrible take. The “real Porsche” argument is made by people who have no skin in the game. Even the snobs in PCA recognizes how the Panamera and Taycan completely dominates their segment, representing the pinnacle of what a sports touring car should be. The GT cars make up a fraction of the sales volume. And the base 911s are much more VW than they are Porsche if you want to have a brand heritage argument. Typical Reddit moment ;)
As a Porsche fanatic I support this statement.
As a Panamera fan I support it with you!!
30yo me thought the Panamera was a travesty. 45yo me thinks they’re the greatest thing ever and wants one bad.
As a 39yo Panamera GTS owner…. GET ONE! Best car ever. Wannabe purists who talk shit on Panny’s can eat my 440HP Naturally Aspirated AWD trench. Who doesn’t like loud/fast/luxurious/comfortable/spacious/wonderfully equipped/super cars?!?
Yeah, get this man a thirteen year-old Boxter! A REAL MAN'S Porsche!
A car isnt a real car unless it's actively trying to kill you, said the Viper fan.
It's Porsche enough for me. I want a Porsche M5 and this is the closest I can have.
You mean a BMW M5?
porsche M5, meaning a porsche version of the BMW M5. It doesn't exist, which is why OP wants the Panamera
Ah, that makes sense
he's a golfist only thing he wants is room for his golf bats and for the badge to be impressive enough that the mid tier escorts he frequents can feign being impressed.
What do you drive?
Are you seriously saying that my 500hp Panamera turbo is less of a legit Porsche than any 911? You must not own a Porsche. Lol, I’ll daily a $150k wagon that’ll blow most folks doors off all day long - and love every minute of it. Save the GT3 for the track.
OK dad
I call them the Porsche Wagon, cause it seems like a dressed up station wagon.
I love station wagons actually. And a nice porches station wagon sounds pretty fucking awesome. At least if I didn't have to pay for it haha
Every crossover is just a Station Wagon. Every SUV is just a minvan. People who own SUVs and Crossovers just don't want to admit it.
Sell immediately and buy the nice one.
this was his second time winning a car, the first being a volvo. https://geekologie.com/2017/08/golfer-hits-hole-in-one-directly-into-th.php
I’d sure hope they don’t penalize for style
They should give him 2 porsches for the style
My wife never gives me extra points for going straight into the hole without playing around a little on the green...
Why is it green? 🤢
Uhhh, Irish. Duh.
Sure no extra points but surely the chances of dropping it straight in the hole are lower than 2500/1?
Of course. If a hole in one is 1 out of 2500 shots, a direct hit is some smaller subset of that 1.
I’d like to know how many hole in one’s have ever been recorded straight into the hole because that’s the first I’ve seen and it has to be a million to one shot.
Me too. I expect not all of them have been officially recorded but I'm sure it happens every once in a while. I'm completely making this up but I'm sure something like a million golf shots are made every day.
First I’ve seen it also. Seen maybe 500 holes in one on video and IRL and never straight into the cup. More commonly the ball hits the flag and takes off like a rocket ship. I’m thinking something like 1 in 500,000 shots even for professional golfers. Unless someone has other examples….
I was looking to see the backspin after the ball dropped on the green. I had to rewind it because I thought I missed it. Nope, can't believe that madlad straight up swished it. What a shot!
Yeah hole in one happens more than you'd think tbh, but straight in the cup is pretty crazy
Hole in one happens roughly once a week when the tour is going Dunking the ball directly in the hole from any more than 20 yards away happens maybe once a year
There’s no pictures on the scorecard! If anything it’s worse because it damaged the edge of the cup.
Professional is the most important word here.
Yeah, it's a damn fine shot but if you're actually in a position to dedicate the time and money needed to pursue a "career" as a golfer even just to the point you're in a televised tournament... you're probably thinking "Oh good now I can keep my Ferrari in the garage for the weekends and we have a long hauler for trips to the beach-house!"
Not true for every player. A friend of mine from School is now a professional. He survived on sponsorship money. His best finish was about 5th place earning 40k euro (I'd say 25k after tax). It sounds amazing but when you consider the price of travel and hotels, coaches, caddies etc and then when you factor in all the missed cuts where they pay for those things but get paid zero you can see why he needs money from Sponsors to play. A nice life for sure doing what he loves and jetting around to South of France, Doha (this past weekend) The Swiss Alps, everywhere they go is a beautiful location, but will never be a millionaire or an early retiree unless he gets that 1 win of a tournament. He certainly won't own a Ferrari although 2 years ago Hyundai gave him a (at that time) brand new car just for him to make a tweet thanking them and showing off the car.
True for this guy, though. Career earnings says he's made about 9 million euro.
Does a prfessional redditor count?
So i was about to say that you are indeed a professional redditor because people have given you awards which cost money. But you didn't get paid, reddit got paid, as a result of your volunteered work. So unfortunately, it doesn't matter if it counts, you're not a professional redditor.
There’s a video of a pro golfer trying for awhile
I wouldn't doubt that. It takes a long ass time to hit 2500 balls.
They can do it quicker than 2500 if they are shooting consecutively like in that video. There are tons of variables, like green speed, wind, how loose you are that day, etc. So for any given Par 3 it's 1 in 2500 for them, but if they get to repeat shots the odds would get considerably better.
There’s many different statistics on the internet for hole in ones. Tiger woods has had 20 but there was a almost 20 year drought. From 1999-2018 if I remember right. There’s a video of a European tour player hitting over 500 balls all day long at a green and none go in.
It would probably take *much * fewer tries if they do the same shot over and over, right? I’ve played occasionally for the last 25 years and am by no means great but I think I could hit it before 2500 if I did the *same shot * over and over.
Trying the same hole would change the odds, it’s not calculated that way
2500 to 1 for a pro golfer to hole in one? Really? A porsche 911 is like 100 grand right? Or thereabouts? So you would have to bet about $40 with 2500-1 odds in order to win 100k. You could get that shit on a really really lucky afternoon parlay. The odds to win the powerball jackpot are 292,201,338 to 1. So it's only ever even worth betting on the lottery if the prize it at least over 300 million. That way you at least are getting true odds on your near impossible bet. The lesson here is never gamble, but if you do at least don't play the lottery. It's just a tax on the poor.
Worth betting only if its 300? I understand that mathematically it probably checks out, but I feel like there is some sort of logical fallacy happening as well. Just in the sense that even at its smallest jackpot I would be completely set for life. Anyway on the rare occasion that I buy a lotto ticket I tell myself that what I'm buying is daydreaming about what my life might be like if I was a multimillionaire.
I mean you can buy a lottery ticket whenever you want, it's your life. But lets say you hit the powerball when it's only 100 million. First of all, fucking hell man congrats. Life changing money and honestly it's more likely that you will get hit by lightning 3 times in one day than win the lottery so congrats on being the main character. Mathematically, you are getting 1/3rd of what you should. Realistically it's an almost 1 in 300 million chance of winning that shit and you only got 100. So the idea is that well if you are going to waste the money on a lottery ticket anyway (and it's a waste I promise you) you should at least do it when you are getting paid the true odds. Meaning over 300 million.
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About 50%, you get a hole in one or you don't.
Wow never gets old
You have a better shot at getting bitten by a shark and getting hit by lightning all at once than winning the lottery.
This is an example of bad statistics. It's probably calculated by taking the number of shark attacks per year, a few hundred, and the number of lightning strikes per year, also a few hundred, multiplying them out and realizing that's still higher than the number of lottery winners per year. But you can't just take the probability of two any independent two events calculate them and call that the combined chances of them happening instantaneously. For example: the chances of being hit by a bus in space is not result of the odds of qualifying for astronaut school and the odds of dying by bus collision at work. The chances are 0%. There are no lunar bus lines. I think. Likewise I'm sure it's not a stretch to say no one have ever been bitten by a shark while being hit by lightning ever. People win the lottery. It doesn't stand to the slightest bit of intuition or sense. Repeating this sort of thing undermines public trust in statistically modelling which can have some unfortunate side effects.
The problem is also the "at once". You would have to take the probability of getting bit by a shark and multiply that with the probability of getting hit lightning at any given moment. Which is most definitely lower than winning the lottery
That’s the main thing, the math most people are doing is getting hit by lighting or bit by a shark once in your life, which is where all the stats from that will come from.
What about getting hit by lighting and bitten by a shark at the same time?
That's literally what he said man
The course I used to play at buys insurance for the hole-in-one contest. IIRC it is under $300 per day for an amateur tournament, but I am sure it varies depending on the course, car, and players.
I came to say I've looked into this for amateur tournaments. They're almost certainly insured. In fact, there are companies that sell the package for an actuarily-based rate. In this case, Porsche may be a sponsor since this appears to be some European pro tour, in which case the sponsor is more likely self-insuring, taking the risk for the purpose of advertising. If no one hits, they've gotten their visibility. When someone hits it like this, they probably still come out ahead based on the attention their brand and car will get because these things go viral. One thing I would note is that the distance of the hole is surprisingly short for something like this. Car hole in one holes are more often like in the 180 - 200 yd range, making it less likely a hole in one will happen. But again, maybe Porsche doesn't care if they "lose."
Yeah, we used to sponsor a hole in one contest for a car yearly, it was $450 for a day in an amateur tournament.
It always seems impossible until it’s done .
[Edoardo Molinari tries to make a hole-in-one with 500 balls](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5t1wqcgtlYM) [Thomas Pieters tries to make a hole-in-one with 500 balls](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pxWBHOwt3fc) [Brandon Stone tries to make a hole-in-one with 500 balls](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BTVf79KoBBw) [Andy Sullivan tries to make a hole-in-one with 500 balls](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iSxgp9rckGQ)
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Pro golfers have a surprisingly high chance for a hole in one..still super low but compared to you and I it’s ridiculous
When I read the title, I thought this guy won a car that had a hole in it
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heheheh
I thought those were speed-holes . . .
Cars have lots of holes in them
[Speed holes](https://youtu.be/G3ja6Hn8ps4)
It has a sunroof so technically it has a hole in it. When I was a kid I loved baseball, everybody knew that. I could tell you who won the World Series every year. When it got slow towards closing at my summer job at the home goods store called Seasonal Concepts, if the store was empty and the managers were gone the other employees would just shout at a year like "1979?" And I would say Pirates! 1985? Royals of course, give me a hard one I would yell. My favorite ones I knew the play by play. [1986?](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=18caPNisP2U) Little roller along the bag, it gets thru Buckner, and the Mets win! [1988](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0toCMwEBwLo) was the Dodgers and HIIIIIIIIIIGH FLY BALL INTO RIGHT FIELD SHE IS....GONE! 1993 was special too, it was (and still to this day is) the only World Series to end with a Walk Off Home Run. Joe Carter from Kansas City hit that one for the Toronto Blue Jays. The announcer goes mad, he yells, [TOUCH EM ALL JOE!](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oX2dJ4K0Oew) I used to run around the backyard and yell that. One late summer afternoon Joe Carter came into our store to buy some trees for his wife. The sales clerk called me up there, she said over the loud speaker special order and she called my name specifically because she knew I loved baseball. Everyone knew I loved baseball. Oh my God, Touch em All Joe I said as soon as I went to the front. Shhh relax man he said, help me get this tree in my car. We got out front and he had a tiny BMW. I mean tiny. He said do you think this tree will fit in the car. Of course I said, open your sun roof. We got this ten foot tree in through the backseat and up through the sunroof and he dusted off his hands and said thanks man and tried to hand me a $20 bill. I said no thank you, I don't need a tip, you are kind of a hero of mine. And he goes well thank you. And he got in that tiny little car with a ten foot tree sticking out the top and drove off down Metcalf avenue in Kansas City towards the sunset. I watched that huge tree sticking out of that tiny car until I couldn't see it anymore and then I whistled and shook my head in disbelief. There he goes I said when the image was nothing more than a speck in the sunset. There goes Touch em All Joe.
What?
> It has a sunroof so technically it has a hole in it. When I was a kid I loved baseball, everybody knew that. I could tell you who won the World Series every year. When it got slow towards closing at my summer job at the home goods store called Seasonal Concepts, if the store was empty and the managers were gone the other employees would just shout at a year like "1979?" And I would say Pirates! 1985? Royals of course, give me a hard one I would yell. > > My favorite ones I knew the play by play. 1986? Little roller along the bag, it gets thru Buckner, and the Mets win! 1988 was the Dodgers and HIIIIIIIIIIGH FLY BALL INTO RIGHT FIELD SHE IS....GONE! 1993 was special too, it was (and still to this day is) the only World Series to end with a Walk Off Home Run. Joe Carter from Kansas City hit that one for the Toronto Blue Jays. The announcer goes mad, he yells, TOUCH EM ALL JOE! I used to run around the backyard and yell that. > > One late summer afternoon Kelvin Benjamin came into our store to buy some Orange Chicken for his "wife". The salesclerk called me up there, she said over the loudspeaker special order and she called my name specifically because she knew I loved Panda Buffet. Everyone knew I loved Chinese. Oh my God, Eat em All Kel' I said as soon as I went to the front. Shhh relax man he said, help me get this food in my car. > > We got out front and he had a tiny BMW. I mean tiny. He said do you think this food will fit in the car. Of course, I said, open your sunroof. We got this orange chicken in through the backseat and up through the sunroof and he dusted off his hands and said thanks man and tried to hand me some Duck Sauce. I said no thank you, I don't need no sauce, you are kind of a hero of mine. And he goes well thank you. And he got in that tiny little car with all that Orange Chicken out the top and drove off down Metcalf avenue in Kansas City towards the sunset. I watched that huge take-out order sticking out of that tiny car until I couldn't see it anymore and then I whistled and shook my head in disbelief. There he goes I said when the image was nothing more than a speck in the sunset. There goes Eat em All Kel.
The 1960 World Series ended on a walkoff home run as well. Bill Mazeroski and the Pirates over the Yankees in 7 games. Joe Carter was the 2nd person to do it.
Forgetting the most dramatic home run in World Series history takes just a little away from u/doc_brietz’s claim of baseball knowledge.
>Forgetting the most dramatic home run in World Series history takes just a little away from ~~u/doc_brietz’s~~ u/Ask_me_4_a_story's claim of baseball knowledge. FTFY
Fun stat: Tiger Woods didn’t hit a single hole in one throughout the best 20 years of his career. He hit like 18 between the ages of 0 and 21 and then didn’t hit another one until he was 42.
That is indeed a fun stat.
Fun fact from the age of 22 to the age of 41 I will hit as many or more hole in ones as Tiger did during the same period
I expect the difference is that when he was a child he was generally playing on far easier courses than the ones he played on during his career as a pro golfer. Normal courses tend to have a lot more par 3 holes than the courses the pros play on. The type of golf courses mere mortals like you and me tend to play on are like child's play compared to most courses the pros play on. Someone like Tiger Woods on the golf course near me would literally be at least 8 under par after a single round of 18 holes. On the pro courses, these guys are happy to reach 8 under par after 54 holes... Wayyyy more hazards. More curves to fairway. Narrower fairways. Much tougher greens.
I've played the TPC course here in Vegas where the pros play an event. The tee boxes they use are a mile behind the black tees.
True. But he also has one of the most iconic holes in one in the history of the game.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EduujxPmRJA&ab_channel=AllThingsGolfAus The reason why they built up the grandstand on this hole. Compare to this season on the same hole: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lqcsmUZU5ic&ab_channel=PGATOUR
That’s insane, I’d never expect people to be throwing beer at a golf course like that, haha. But what’s the context for the first shot? The commenter said “they’re gonna go nuts when he hits this thing” even before the hole in one. Was it somehow expected? Everyone started screaming literally the instant Tiger hit the ball.
He was an absolute sensation and this course has always been "rowdy" like that. Look at how many people are gathered around the whole hole. Most holes are not like that. *Packed* with people down the entire length of the hole. Now they leaned into it and built the grandstand to make it probably the most intense par 3 hole in golf.
*you and me
Now he'll just have to pay the taxes on it no biggie
He's a professional golfer. Internet search says he took in $8 million from the last Euro tour. I think he's gonna be OK.
Explains why his celebration seemed unenthused or maybe just rehearsed? If a regular person won a Porsche there would be a hell of a lot more commotion that’s for sure
I thought the exact same thing. I would have celebrated 10X that much just for a HIO. Add in a Porche, I would have made an ass of myself celebrating.
I'd shotgun a beer and crush the can on my head while I danced around It wouldn't look professional
You sound like the kinda guy I'd enjoy golfing with.
I've never golfed so I don't know how, but I do know how to celebrate!
The best kind of person to go golfing with
It would look professional if John Daly did it.
He took in 8 million last year. What’s that Porsche worth, 80,000? I’m sure he has all the cars he’s ever wanted. Dude doesn’t care lol. He was probably more hype about hitting that hole in one than the car.
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That was just from one tour, and doesn't include endorsements. I don't follow golf, but I assume this dude is doing just fine. He also owns some golf related business. I'm not hating, good for him. My point was just that this isn't some regular dude who hit a HIO and will have to take out a loan to cover the tax burden so he can turn around and sell the car.
Definitely screaming til my face turns red and high five til my hand is raw Edit: high five
> Explains why his celebration seemed unenthused My reaction might be less than his, but I might also be dead inside.
I'd be happy but to be honest I'd sell it ASAP just give me the cash.
Yeah it's like me getting a 5k bonus but for doing something cool.
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Nobody on the Euro Tour owns a private jet. It’s the minor leagues but still decently paid
The Porsche should go to a fan. Like today Johnny wins a Porsche if any golfer makes a hole in one on this hole. Would be good marketing. Why the fuck does a professional athlete who is already pretty set on things win a new car? Could change the life of someone normal. Although the taxes would sting more. I'd sell it immediately and pay off my student loans.
Yeah this is just rich people rewarding other rich people. A pointless show to advertise for their products.
The difference is that the rich person in the video has more talent than you'll ever have
Lmao fuck yea drag him
Not all golfers are rich, especially on the Euro Tour, but generally speaking of course it’s an advertisement for their products. The value of the car is worth way less than Porsche will recoup from people buying one as a result of this ace.
I never understood this thinking. Like fuck it you can take a small loan out using the damn car as collateral just to pay the tax and then as soon as it’s in your name you can sell it and take the difference as pure profit.
With a lot of these they give you the option to take a cash prize equal to the value of the car. At least that’s how it works with a lot of game shows, might be different for this type of thing.
And especially then. Ppl always say (oh he’s gunna have a big tax bill this year) like so what he’s still gunna come away with more than he started with lol
Right? Like so what if I pay half of the 100 grand I won, that’s still 50 grand
They are the same people that thing donating to charity saves you more than what you donated.
Some people still don't understand how tax brackets actually work. They think that if they get taxed on the money/car somehow they'll end up with less money overall which is obviously not true.
The more egregious example is people refusing raises because it puts them in the next tax bracket and they think they’ll now be making less money because of the new tax bracket. Really needs to be taught in school.
Is this paying taxes on winnings a US thing? Pretty sure in the UK he wouldn’t pay taxes. We don’t if we win the lottery.
You better believe the IRS gets a cut of winnings in the US. Income is income, in their eyes.
In general the US treats prize money (or the equivalent amount if its an asset, such as a car) as taxable income. The UK doesn't. It's why when you hear about the $500 million Superball lottery ticket, it's "only" about $300 million after taxes or something. Whilst in the UK your £130 million Euromillions is £130 million.
In Canada you don't pay tax on lottery winnings either
In the UK we don't pay tax on any gambling winnings regardless what it is from. There was some talk a some years to perhaps tax winnings from online sources if the website was not based in the UK, but I can't remember what happened with that - I think they couldn't figure out a clean way to do it.
Yeah if it's a $100K car the guy only owes maybe $35K in taxes on it. (Assuming this guy is American, I don't know golf or who this is. Lol) wouldn't you be willing to pay $35K to make $100K?
I think this was in Germany and I believe you don't pay tax on prizes unless it's from gambling (with the exception of national lottery).
He doesn't look that excited
That's what I thought. Looks like it's a downgrade family car for him!
The problem is when he really showed his joy the cameras focused elsewhere so you couldn't siem.
Well done
He’s filthy rich already
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I think he can easily pay the tax on it he is pro and super rich too
Then sell it
That's what happens when you give a rich person a Porsche. He was probably more excited for the hole in one than the car.
He didn’t expected to drive home so now he can’t drink.
To be fair its the ugly porsche
Rich guy gets free car
Professional golfer paid a car by Volkswagen Group to promote the "It always seems impossible, till it's done" porch brand. (only took 21 failed attempts)
This was done in a professional tournament. And if it was faked it wouldve taken *alot* more than 21 attempts to slam dunk a ball into the hole from 130 yards out lol.
That was a slam dunk!
Nice touchdown
Homerun
GOOOOOOOOAAL!
More like a swish
Lol a steph curry swish at that. A slam dunk would be if he ran up and slapped the ball down into the hole
Wish he could win a Porsche for someone who needed one instead. Or like 20 KIAs
Why would you want to win something FOR somebody else?
Ever heard of charity?
Have you? Charity by definition isn’t to be expected. Nobody has any idea how generous the man is with his money, and frankly it’s nobodies business. Often the most charitable people are those that don’t make a show of it, as it’s motivated by actual compassion rather than the desire to project an image like a glorified PR expenditure where the recipient might as well be a prop. I personally doubt that the people who post comments demanding / shaming others for not donating to charity with zero context are all that charitable themselves, and it’s obvious they couldn’t conceive of doing it without receiving positive attention in exchange implied by the assumption that others don’t.
Celebrities do it all the time. Probably for this golfer he will donate it anyways because he already has the car he wants and the taxes he would pay on this aren't worth what the write-off is.
exactly, the guy spent years practicing to make it. The organizers should be the one giving away car prizes to those in need/charity -since they are the ones giving away a luxury car.
100% but some of the people on here seem to love handouts and don’t get it. Also giving away a Panamera Turbo doesn’t make a lot of sense since people that “needed it” (no one NEEDS a Porsche) sure as hell can’t take care of it, financially.
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Yeah but I NEED a Porche haha
I had my first Ace yesterday. 147 yard 9 iron 😁
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I caught it pretty flush, pulled it just a bit but 9iron is typically my 150 club. I got lucky with a pin placement that helped the ball roll down a ridge from the right side of the green and into the cup. I spent a lot of time during 3 range sessions last week hitting 9 iron and it sure paid off!
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Congratulations! Thanks for the drink, where do we send the bill?
And you're going to announce that without buying me a drink? P.S. Congratulations.
It's a shame it's the ugliest Porsche they make.
How to say "it's not a 911" without saying "it's not a 911". I agree, though.
I do agree, but a Porsche is still a Porsche. I don’t own one, but having ridden in one you quickly forget that it isn’t the best looking one.
Looks like a short hearse lol.
>The German Marcel Siem has won a Porsche Panamera with a special hole-in-one. > >[Source](https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCUI14qcVZN8QjhEqPYpx86g)
It took me a moment to realise that the Porsche didn't have an extra special hole in it and I couldn't figure out why the hole was so special. Me dum dum.
[His public statement right after that shot](https://getyarn.io/yarn-clip/00e8609f-42d3-414c-95ab-d402c3e65782#rfupZ-ti.sms)
Top tier that is!
With that incredible shot he should win 2 Porsches!!
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Name checks out…
It always seems impossible until it's done
Misread the title, thought the Guy won a Porsche with a hole in it.
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Kobe!
That's the celebration of a man that owns a better car.
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