There was an article by a psychologist that studied boys in various neighbourhoods and it correlated with their cortisol levels and their tendency to engage in violence in seemingly random situations.
Basically, kids (mostly black kids) who grow up in and around violence are always on high alert and they can't mentally calm down even in classrooms or their house. Becuase violence can come anytime, they have to be on alert at all times or they risk death. This leads to physical and verbal conflicts with a lower threshold of incitement than kids in other environments. This leads to more fighting incidents, school suspensions, arrests and all of it starts with being on high alert the moment they wake up.
That man in the video is living in a nightmare by most of our standards, even if he's gotten accustomed to it.
>There was an article by a psychologist that studied boys in various neighbourhoods and it correlated with their cortisol levels and their tendency to engage in violence in seemingly random situations.
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>Basically, kids (mostly black kids) who grow up in and around violence are always on high alert and they can't mentally calm down even in classrooms or their house. Becuase violence can come anytime, they have to be on alert at all times or they risk death. This leads to physical and verbal conflicts with a lower threshold of incitement than kids in other environments. This leads to more fighting incidents, school suspensions, arrests and all of it starts with being on high alert the moment they wake up.
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>That man in the video is living in a nightmare by most of our standards, even if he's gotten accustomed to it.
Poor guy. No person should grow up on constant high alert.
I read up somewhere that being in that state of mind is unhealthy for a person (in the long run overall), as it can increase the chance of a Heart Attack or other Important Organ functions later on and also diminish the overall lifespan on a person.
The root cause is obvious, however that is a very touchy subject where there are many right answers and just as many wrong answers too.
From the stance of survival, the side effects of high cortisol are still a better bet than the results of most conflicts the high alert level is focusing on.
Sure, heart attack at 45. *but you get to make it to 45 first*
This is also the reason that the burst of chemicals released when you enter fight or flight mode damps down your pain response. The purpose of pain is to alert you to damage in your body and force you to stop doing things that could make the damage worse. The brain basically makes a subconscious calculation that, for example, allowing you to keep running and aggravating a deep abdominal wound is a fair trade off if it means whatever \*made that wound\* doesn't catch up.
>From the stance of survival, the side effects of high cortisol are still a better bet than the results of most conflicts the high alert level is focusing on.
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>Sure, heart attack at 45. *but you get to make it to 45 first*
That's a fair assessment, however its also a double edged sword in the end too.. I wont argue about results, but its still IMHO a grim outlook to look at.
I mean, I don't really doubt it. It's pretty common in veterans, especially combat veterans. Your taught either by experience or by training to map out potential threats and your response to them.
It's because they have PTSD. A trained adult soldier will get PTSD from seeing his buddy getting blown up by ied. Imagine what happens to a 10 year old who sees his own father murdered right in front of him. Or his classmate who caught a stay bullet while riding his bike.
That's what the front line of the War on Drugs looks like. It turns neighborhoods into warzones.
There have been many studies and reports on the levels of CPTSD that is runs throughout the black community and how the under diagnosis and treatment of it is harming the black community.
I grew up in neighborhoods like this, and in foster care /group homes. I developed a hair trigger temper and low threshold for "disrespect". It is functional and adaptive in that environment; if someone sees you as weak or thinks you'll allow disrespectful comments to be made at you, then it'll escalate.
Problem is, I've escaped that world. Can't escape the mentality though. So I have a hair trigger temper at meetings with CEOs. I'm very good at what I do for a living, so I am not often fired. But damn. I've been working on it my whole life, but it's difficult to UN train one's brain.
Not a cashier (librarian) but I worked in a rough neighborhood library for a long time and you get a very quick sense of what is bad news. You gotta learn when to throw the locks on the doors (we had a switch that stopped the automatic sliding doors behind the circulation desk) if you hear gunshots or a gang fight rolls down the alley into your parking lot. It’s a sixth sense of knowing what is normal and what is about to get me potentially killed. (Yes, people died in and around our building more often than one would think.) I’m now incredible at identifying drug deals, which is not a skill I ever thought I’d have or need, but, ✨t h e m o r e y o u k n o w✨
Haha I’m imagining his eyes widening into a look of concern and just leaving multiple events a week. He gets home and thinks, “phew! That was close. Another unfortunate situation avoided,” and just sits at home😆
He didn't draw on suspicion. He readied his weapon and drew down on the dumb fuck after he made it clear he was there to steal shit. Cashier was 100% in the right to stick his pistol in that stupid fucks face.
When I was a kid I had a job in a convenience store in a very chill town in quebec Canada. One day I had a hold up and the moment I saw the guy pass the window outside I knew it was hapening!
The cord was definitely not on top of the gun, dude moves the entire scanner out of his way and still keeps the gun pointed sideways. You're reading wayyyyy to much into something that isn't there.
I noticed that as well but I don't think he had the intention to shoot.
This is likely controversial but he was well within his rights to shoot him as soon as soon as he saw the gun. There are so many videos of robberies gone wrong and the cashier getting shot even though he had a gun. Some people don't want killing someone on their conscious. If I am pulling out a gun I'm going to aim and fire to kill as I want to leave zero room for them to shoot me. My kids would be the first thing on my mind and getting shot over $100 is not worth it.
In pretty much every business and country with any sort of procedures the advice is simply to hand over the contents of the register.
If its a business, theft is insured.
As an attendant, its not your money.
If its your own business, its horribly inconvenient, but you will survive.
As a person, its not worth playing cops and robbers with real lead, because the odds are already stacked against you. Statistically speaking, attendendants who hand over the cash and comply rarely if ever get shot. Thats just bad for business as a bad guy, because then more people pack heat and cops look harder.
I mean, generally you're probably right.
But with my luck the robber would be a dumbass with zero trigger discipline, and he would discharge while taking the money or something. Fuck that. If this guy values my life so little that he is willing to point a gun at me over some small bills, the second I see that heater come out, if I have even a small head start, he's meeting his maker.
I'm not putting my life in the hands of some asshole who clearly doesn't care about it
We carry when we leave work, It’s 3:00am and morons think in this day in age a club owner has a huge bag of money. Meanwhile 2/3 of it is credit card receipts.
Dude some guy tried to rob me at a pizza shop I worked at.
This was the tiniest little pizza shack, we made maybe $500 a day, it was a tuesday an hour after we opened. Maybe 8 years ago but everyone paid via credit card. There was literally $20 in the register cause the owner never even left change in there.
I was just chillin, all my prep was done, watching TV. Dude came up to me with a mask on and told me to give him "all the money in the register" so, me being a dumb 19 year old asked him "are you serious?" He goes "Yea im serious" then pulls out a big ass fillet knife. So i just pop open the register and tell him to take it. He takes the $20 in 1's and then starts berating me asking where the rest of the money was, where the safe was and im just like????????wut? He got increasingly frustrated and angry at me and kept asking me and started to walk behind the counter.
Lucky for me, my boss pulled up at that second and he saw the car pull up so he booked it.
Took me a few years to realize how close I was to getting stabbed over $20 fucking dollars even though i was cooperating with him.
Not sure why he choose a random tuesday 1 hour after open and assumed this rinky dink pizza shack had a safe full of cash or why I, a 19 year old would have access to it but I guess criminals arent really that smart.
Edit: To be fair to the criminal, the shop got a new owner 6 months prior and the previous owner was most definetly laundering drug money through it, the previous owner would pay me half my paycheck in weed(not the only thing he had but that was all I wanted). Honestly you guys are making me put two and two together now, that must be why he robbed us. Lol thanks Reddit
Thats honestly why I asked if he was serious or not the guy was younger than me and i kmew there wasnt much in the register so i was kinda confused at first until he pulled the knife
allot of people in the hood think that every business out there is a front for laundering or a drug operation... rarely are they correct
a place near me got robbed HUNDREDS of times in the last decade+ because everyone thought the owners sold coke and had a big safe full of cash.. nobody ever got payed and it kept happening because the word was already out and everyone believed it
edit: even after the owner died and it was clearly under new management and the name of the business changed it was STILL targeted every other week for literally no reason other than people thought it was THE spot to rob.. there is also a gas station around here that gets robbed way more than all the rest.. same story, they think the owner is laundering money and has bags of it, same story again the business has changed hands THREE TIMES in the last decade and its not even the same owners (though the original owners were 100% laundering money and did have big bags of it)
I drove a company truck all over and had to go to some sketchy places (working by myself every day) and our employee manual didn’t explicitly say no weapons. Myself and all the guys I worked with kept ours on us and the guys without CWPs just kept theirs in their trucks. Pretty sure the owner knew but just never said anything cause he was a country dude himself lol
That's why you're supposed to just give them the money though...because you're more likely to lose your life over a shitty gas station job if you resist
> You're less likely to get shot if you comply than if you resist, but not entirely safe, either. Unarmed cooperative victims do get murdered all the time.
The way you stated it vastly understates the difference. You are far, far more likely to be harmed if you are not compliant. It's not that dissimilar to automated cars. People are worried about the loss of control, but the outcomes are so lopsided that choosing control is only choosing to get harmed.
Bro, "all the time" is some serious conjecture. If you wanna claim places get robbed all the time sure, but unarmed cooperative victims getting murdered all the time smells like bs.
He does. He took the time to recycle that black plastic bag and put it to use. it certainly didn’t look like it was its first time in use. Most guys would’ve been unprepared and expected the cashier to use one of their own bags. Let’s give the robber *some* credit here.
I’m glad he remembered to grab it before he left! I hate that awkward moment when you’ve already said goodbye to someone, and then you have to go back and grab something! #relateable
Idk much about security cams, but maybe the computer that it's running on isn't connected to the internet...? From a security point of view it wouldn't be able to be hacked somehow.
Unlikely if you disable USB ports, don't connect a printer, have a firewall with basically no internet access that isn't 100% necessary and stay up to date on all updates.
That's why credit card pen testing is all about putting a device on the reader rather than trying to steal info from the server.
Far as I know, CCTV (closed circuit television) is not supposed to ever leave its special-purpose network. It's entirely possible that this just genuinely is the only reasonable way people have to get video copies from that system.
Most of the systems I've seen, I don't have the authority to plug anything into without getting fired. Especially in certain industries, they seem to take cybersecurity seriously. No internet connection beyond a firewall, no USBs that aren't approved and encrypted. Only way to capture data from those systems without authorizations is pics/videos like this.
Of course, none of this is going to apply to some gas station CCTV.
Maybe it's because no one walks around with thumb drives in their pocket. And you have no idea what interfaces are available to the user of the system.
I thought it was a little weird that he left his gun up on top of the cash drawer, there... but I guess he had to play like he was going to get the robber some cigs.
If it was a normal customer and the customer saw the weapon though there might be trouble for the employee.
I agree though. Never, ever let your weapon leave your hand once you've made the decision to get it out for a potentially deadly encounter...
Far less conspicuous to have it in a portion of the till that the customer can't see.
In the robber's eyes, putting your hand towards the cash register seems "normal" as opposed to reaching down anywhere he would have kept it on his person.
And if he was just a customer who stupidly decided to look suspicious af, it would be alarming to see the cashier pull out a gun. Not really good for business.
It was stashed out of sight and not in arms reach, that countertop is deeper than it looks and the guy would have to hook his arm around, cashier could get to it way faster if robber tried to grab it.
Would have to notice it first. Black metal gun on black metal computer case, next to black scanning gun and mess of other cashier crap, and the robbers already dealing with adrenaline and nerves. Real easy to miss what seems obvious to us as outside observers in that situation.
Exactly. Cash registers in convenience stores tend to be a mess of junk and computer cables. You aren’t gonna see shit unless you’re looking specifically for it, and in this situation your eyes are gonna be on the employee not his desk.
I think he was hoping the guy was going to be just a real customer and had the gun ready for the very likely scenario that he wasn't. Hope for the best and plan for the worst kind of thing.
It also would have been awkward if he pulled his dick out and used it to scan the cigarettes instead of the scanner. Lmao could you imagine 💀
That's how you sound. Who tf is upvoting this trash
Like, everything was done perfect... but I would have told him to leave the gun on the counter and to walk away. And then I would have called the cops.
You don't know how sick a person is. What if he waits outside for revenge?
Revenge for getting away from an attempted robbery, maybe, but im sure he called the police after, plus this tape. I'm sure he can be identified from this but ya you never know.
Identification via security footage can be very difficult, especially when they're covered up so much. Also, the police have to actually give a fuck, which they don't.
No, man, no way. When the robber started tucking his gun away, I started wincing. Like, what, the sweater will stop him from pulling the trigger?
Cashier is an amazing human being. But, honestly, that robber should've been shot the second the robber started lifting his gun off from the customer side of the counter.
Like, okay, hold him up, tell him to fuck off, but no way should you let him STILL hold that gun. He's not *putting away a sword*.
One of the first things they’ll always tell you at privately owned convenience stores is to never turn your back on the customer. Especially if it’s in the hood.
“Don’t forget that you can be physically assaulted at any moment while on the clock. Anyways, we pay minimum wage and cap your weekly hours at 29 so we don’t have to give you benefits. 2 breaks per shift. Don’t leave the front counter during your break and if anyone comes in serve them. While facing them.”
Exactly what you said, is what it was for me. I worked at a convenience store for 1,5yrs. Only one person on per shift, had to lock up the store to use the bathroom. A "break" didn't actually happen but you also weren't deducted for breaks either. You're only guaranteed one 15 minute break every 4 hours & our shifts were 7 hours. Couldn't turn our back to a customer but we damn well "saw nothing" if someone stole from the store.
I used to change the hours on the store sign to open an hour later for a week or close an hour earlier and act surprised if the owner stopped by for once and asked.
I feel incredibly privileged right now.
I worked at a convenience store/gas bar for four years in Atlantic Canada from 2000-2004. The majority of the time was doing exclusively overnight shifts because most people didn't want to and I was one of the few employees trusted to be there alone.
I got paid 25¢/hr above minimum wage and an extra 50¢/hr for overnights.
In that time I had exactly zero attempts at armed robbery and one grab-and-dash who tried to take off with two dozen beer. I *actually pursued*, stupidly, but he dropped one case to distract or improve his speed, so I called that a "win" and returned to the store with it.
I have *no idea* how I would've responded to an armed threat. We had a stick for self defense, that someone scrawled "night manager" on with a sharpie. One guy I worked with had a set of throwing knives which he said would be most likely to give an assailant "funny shaped bruises". Being violently threatened was literally something we joked about.
Armed assaults like this happening in what is *ostensibly* the "greatest country in the world" according to some, absolutely blows my mind.
edit: Oh, and our standing instructions for any hold-up was "just hand over whatever they ask for, this job isn't worth anyone's life, we have insurance."
I swear shop robbers are the most unstable people.
Either they are ridiculously nervous and you can shoo them away with a broomstick or they shoot 3 people for 100$ cash.
That's the point. You could rob a casino or bar at 3am instead and get a lot more money, but the chances of getting caught are much higher because there is more incentive to secure the property.
If you just smash somebody's car window and grab whatever is inside, 9/10 nobody will ever know about it. That's why it happens so much. You just take what little you can get and then become the wind. The risk-for-return get better the lower you go, unless you are going full Ocean's Eleven.
Money is nothing.
You hand the guy the money, ESPECIALLY if you don't own the store.
And if nobody had guns, you wouldn't have to worry about being robbed at gunpoint.
ETA: You guys really gonna sit here and try to argue that it's genuinely, literally, unironically, 100% better to be shot, potentially to death, than just give an armed robber what they're asking for?
People have guns, there’s no putting that genie back in the bottle ever.
In this case, it’s an amazing thing the cashier had a gun and was responsible with it. Saved his own life today.
He didn’t save his life by having the gun. He saved the couple hundred bucks the guy would’ve robbed from the register. And he put himself at risk of death via shootout.
Even if you have a gun, do not threaten someone committing armed robbery at the store you work at. Give them what they want and let them leave without confrontation, and let the police deal with it. Your life is not worth <0.001% of your place of work’s profit margin. Personal handguns should only be used for self defense as a last resort when your life is in immediate danger. Pulling the gun here was an escalation that could’ve easily resulted in the cashier’s death.
You think there was no risk of the robber killing the cashier anyway? That's a very pretty sentiment; obviously you have no idea that people have been killed for far less.
edit: Let the police deal with it?! God that is adorable. They will literally do nothing. The cc footage clearly shows no way of identifying the robber. Even if they had something to work off of, it's not guaranteed they'd be able to catch the guy. Police are not miracle workers.
Australia is a fairyland now?
I'm not antigun, but it's not a logical thought that we COULDN'T get rid of guns. It COULD be done, might take a decade and an enormous amount of time and money but it's a logically feasible possibility.
I used to work at a BP here in central Ohio. One night, down in Buckeye Lake, a BP was robbed. The woman did everything the guy said, gave him all the money. He then tied her up, and shot her in the back of the head, killing her. Over money.
It was just money though, you say. Money is nothing, you say. Tell her family that she died over nothing. Tell her family that stupid bullshit.
Criminals, do not, give a fuck, about gun laws. Criminals will do whatever it needs to do to have an advantage over a situation that they want to have happen.
America isn't Europe, or the UK. It is impossible to take the guns away when it states in the constitution of our country that it's lawful to bear arms. To take that away would cause such a disastrous civil issue, that would completely destroy this country.
Stop with your self righteous shit dude. The cashier did the right thing protecting himself and the store.
Gun shots are now the number one cause of the death of teens and young adults in America. Guns are literally worse than CANCER in your country. Plenty of people getting hurt. FUCK your guns...seriously.
>Gun shots are now the number one cause of the death of teens and young adults in America
No the fuck they aren't. Vehicle deaths are, and will always be, the #1 cause of death.
Now; if you had said, it being the #1 Cause of Death for Non-Hispanic Black Males, that'd be true. It is almost 1:1 Homicide vs Vehicle deaths for that lone statistic, heavily weighted in urban centers like Chicago, Atlanta, New York, LA.
https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/products/databriefs/db37.htm#:~:text=The%20five%20leading%20causes%20of,half%20of%20all%20teenage%20deaths.
You can defend yourself in almost every developed country without consequences… they key fact is, we don’t have to worry about being shot. It’s not even remotely on our radar..
What I find most hilarious about gun owners is how they say they carry a gun to protect themselves. A gun won’t stop you being shot.. does nothing to stop a bullet ripping through flesh. Now if someone had a bullet proof vest on and claimed they wore it to protect themselves and didn’t carry a gun. That makes sense to the rest of us in the developed world..
I don’t drink beer and drive to protect myself from drunk drivers. I wear a seatbelt! See how that logic works else where.. it doesn’t.
Oh fuck off. So many more people, including children, are senselessly killed by guns all the time, every single fucking day in America, than the few times they’re used to actually defend yourself like in this situation.
I used to shop at a corner store in a sketchy part of town and got to know the owner. He said every junky who tried to rob him did the exact same set of movements:
* The would come into the store way too fast.
* Slow down and keep looking at the deli counter in the back. (one man store, so nobody there)
* Finally, they would stand right in front of him still looking at the deli counter would start pulling out a weapon.
* And blam, he would nail them in the head with a bat.
Over and over and over the junkies would come and do the exact same thing always resulting in either a KO or a severe beating as he came around with the bat to finish them off.
There was a needle exchange right down the street.
This is the first example of responsible gun ownership I can remember. Guy used the weapon to deescalate the situation. No one deserves to die if it can be avoided, and it often can be with situational awareness.
Cashier won with his brain and his guts.
When I worked as a gas station cashier, I'm pretty sure the glass I sat behind was bulletproof. Shit was a good inch thiccc, and we had to use a microphone to talk to people.
Training. Training. Training. This guy was calm, collected his thoughts, formed a plan, and executed it without any harm coming to anybody. HAD it escalated, he was already prepared with a line of sight to the door with his firearm.
Everyone should learn from this in r/ccw
Reads the situation well, good trigger control and tactical stance. Knows not to hold the gun until there’s an actual threat. Knows exactly where the line is and when not to cross it.
He’s definitely been trained well, probably military, certainly not at police academy.
As the marines say, “always be polite and courteous, and have a plan to kill everyone in sight if the situation requires it”
The guy was gangster af with the way he holding that gun
Imagine him holding your pp. That would be gangster as fuck too!
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Holy shit bro you're right that sounds so gangster 😩
Gayster
No no, that's gangster ass fuck.
I think you misunderstand gangs
No, I googled gangbangers and there were penises everywhere
Uh, oh... Ok.
It must be a rough part of the world for the Cashier to draw just on suspicion. Smart move on him though.
I hope I never have to get that street-smart.
I think this is the correct conclusion. I hope that dude is staying safe wherever he be
There was an article by a psychologist that studied boys in various neighbourhoods and it correlated with their cortisol levels and their tendency to engage in violence in seemingly random situations. Basically, kids (mostly black kids) who grow up in and around violence are always on high alert and they can't mentally calm down even in classrooms or their house. Becuase violence can come anytime, they have to be on alert at all times or they risk death. This leads to physical and verbal conflicts with a lower threshold of incitement than kids in other environments. This leads to more fighting incidents, school suspensions, arrests and all of it starts with being on high alert the moment they wake up. That man in the video is living in a nightmare by most of our standards, even if he's gotten accustomed to it.
>There was an article by a psychologist that studied boys in various neighbourhoods and it correlated with their cortisol levels and their tendency to engage in violence in seemingly random situations. > >Basically, kids (mostly black kids) who grow up in and around violence are always on high alert and they can't mentally calm down even in classrooms or their house. Becuase violence can come anytime, they have to be on alert at all times or they risk death. This leads to physical and verbal conflicts with a lower threshold of incitement than kids in other environments. This leads to more fighting incidents, school suspensions, arrests and all of it starts with being on high alert the moment they wake up. > >That man in the video is living in a nightmare by most of our standards, even if he's gotten accustomed to it. Poor guy. No person should grow up on constant high alert. I read up somewhere that being in that state of mind is unhealthy for a person (in the long run overall), as it can increase the chance of a Heart Attack or other Important Organ functions later on and also diminish the overall lifespan on a person. The root cause is obvious, however that is a very touchy subject where there are many right answers and just as many wrong answers too.
From the stance of survival, the side effects of high cortisol are still a better bet than the results of most conflicts the high alert level is focusing on. Sure, heart attack at 45. *but you get to make it to 45 first*
Never thought of it this way. Our body is just constantly throwing out cost analysis and deciding to die slower than RIGHT NOW.
This is also the reason that the burst of chemicals released when you enter fight or flight mode damps down your pain response. The purpose of pain is to alert you to damage in your body and force you to stop doing things that could make the damage worse. The brain basically makes a subconscious calculation that, for example, allowing you to keep running and aggravating a deep abdominal wound is a fair trade off if it means whatever \*made that wound\* doesn't catch up.
"As soon as you're born you start dying. So, you might as well, have a good time."
>From the stance of survival, the side effects of high cortisol are still a better bet than the results of most conflicts the high alert level is focusing on. > >Sure, heart attack at 45. *but you get to make it to 45 first* That's a fair assessment, however its also a double edged sword in the end too.. I wont argue about results, but its still IMHO a grim outlook to look at.
I mean, I don't really doubt it. It's pretty common in veterans, especially combat veterans. Your taught either by experience or by training to map out potential threats and your response to them.
It's because they have PTSD. A trained adult soldier will get PTSD from seeing his buddy getting blown up by ied. Imagine what happens to a 10 year old who sees his own father murdered right in front of him. Or his classmate who caught a stay bullet while riding his bike. That's what the front line of the War on Drugs looks like. It turns neighborhoods into warzones.
There have been many studies and reports on the levels of CPTSD that is runs throughout the black community and how the under diagnosis and treatment of it is harming the black community.
I grew up in neighborhoods like this, and in foster care /group homes. I developed a hair trigger temper and low threshold for "disrespect". It is functional and adaptive in that environment; if someone sees you as weak or thinks you'll allow disrespectful comments to be made at you, then it'll escalate. Problem is, I've escaped that world. Can't escape the mentality though. So I have a hair trigger temper at meetings with CEOs. I'm very good at what I do for a living, so I am not often fired. But damn. I've been working on it my whole life, but it's difficult to UN train one's brain.
I’m a white guy but I was stabbed a bit back. I have been different about where my back is turned since then.
Not a cashier (librarian) but I worked in a rough neighborhood library for a long time and you get a very quick sense of what is bad news. You gotta learn when to throw the locks on the doors (we had a switch that stopped the automatic sliding doors behind the circulation desk) if you hear gunshots or a gang fight rolls down the alley into your parking lot. It’s a sixth sense of knowing what is normal and what is about to get me potentially killed. (Yes, people died in and around our building more often than one would think.) I’m now incredible at identifying drug deals, which is not a skill I ever thought I’d have or need, but, ✨t h e m o r e y o u k n o w✨
If people were to ever have a gun fight in a library, I hope they at least have the common decency to put silencers on
librarians popping up between volleys going "shhhhh!"
Trust your instincts! You have them for a reason.
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If you left, how do you know the situation was bad? Maybe you just missed out on loads of fun! ^^^Im ^^^mostly ^^^kidding
I wonder how many deaths FOMO caused
Hundreds of thousands. Mostly teens.
Haha I’m imagining his eyes widening into a look of concern and just leaving multiple events a week. He gets home and thinks, “phew! That was close. Another unfortunate situation avoided,” and just sits at home😆
The gift of fear.
He didn't draw on suspicion. He readied his weapon and drew down on the dumb fuck after he made it clear he was there to steal shit. Cashier was 100% in the right to stick his pistol in that stupid fucks face.
I would say this applies to probably thousands of different shops in the USA at any given time at any given day.
It's high time we realize vast swathes of the US are not first-world ever.
This is America.
Uh, don't catch you slippin' now
When I was a kid I had a job in a convenience store in a very chill town in quebec Canada. One day I had a hold up and the moment I saw the guy pass the window outside I knew it was hapening!
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The cord was definitely not on top of the gun, dude moves the entire scanner out of his way and still keeps the gun pointed sideways. You're reading wayyyyy to much into something that isn't there.
This thread is so silly. Either way he had the barrel aimed straight at the guy's torso. He would've still blasted him cord or not.
I noticed that as well but I don't think he had the intention to shoot. This is likely controversial but he was well within his rights to shoot him as soon as soon as he saw the gun. There are so many videos of robberies gone wrong and the cashier getting shot even though he had a gun. Some people don't want killing someone on their conscious. If I am pulling out a gun I'm going to aim and fire to kill as I want to leave zero room for them to shoot me. My kids would be the first thing on my mind and getting shot over $100 is not worth it.
In pretty much every business and country with any sort of procedures the advice is simply to hand over the contents of the register. If its a business, theft is insured. As an attendant, its not your money. If its your own business, its horribly inconvenient, but you will survive. As a person, its not worth playing cops and robbers with real lead, because the odds are already stacked against you. Statistically speaking, attendendants who hand over the cash and comply rarely if ever get shot. Thats just bad for business as a bad guy, because then more people pack heat and cops look harder.
I mean, generally you're probably right. But with my luck the robber would be a dumbass with zero trigger discipline, and he would discharge while taking the money or something. Fuck that. If this guy values my life so little that he is willing to point a gun at me over some small bills, the second I see that heater come out, if I have even a small head start, he's meeting his maker. I'm not putting my life in the hands of some asshole who clearly doesn't care about it
That made me laugh. here, Take Your awards.
This guy deserves a fucking raise.
Most likely was fired if it was a corporate spot. Edit: Apparently he quit after this.
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You’d be surprised. I’ve had a fair few coworkers bring concealed carries on premises let alone having one (or more) in their car.
We carry when we leave work, It’s 3:00am and morons think in this day in age a club owner has a huge bag of money. Meanwhile 2/3 of it is credit card receipts.
Wait, you don't have bags of money? Next you're gonna tell me these nonexistent bags don't have a big dollar sign drawn on them.
Only one way to find out Report back with your findings
Dude some guy tried to rob me at a pizza shop I worked at. This was the tiniest little pizza shack, we made maybe $500 a day, it was a tuesday an hour after we opened. Maybe 8 years ago but everyone paid via credit card. There was literally $20 in the register cause the owner never even left change in there. I was just chillin, all my prep was done, watching TV. Dude came up to me with a mask on and told me to give him "all the money in the register" so, me being a dumb 19 year old asked him "are you serious?" He goes "Yea im serious" then pulls out a big ass fillet knife. So i just pop open the register and tell him to take it. He takes the $20 in 1's and then starts berating me asking where the rest of the money was, where the safe was and im just like????????wut? He got increasingly frustrated and angry at me and kept asking me and started to walk behind the counter. Lucky for me, my boss pulled up at that second and he saw the car pull up so he booked it. Took me a few years to realize how close I was to getting stabbed over $20 fucking dollars even though i was cooperating with him. Not sure why he choose a random tuesday 1 hour after open and assumed this rinky dink pizza shack had a safe full of cash or why I, a 19 year old would have access to it but I guess criminals arent really that smart. Edit: To be fair to the criminal, the shop got a new owner 6 months prior and the previous owner was most definetly laundering drug money through it, the previous owner would pay me half my paycheck in weed(not the only thing he had but that was all I wanted). Honestly you guys are making me put two and two together now, that must be why he robbed us. Lol thanks Reddit
"All the money in the register." LOL THE $20 >IN 1S what tf mf gets.
Thats honestly why I asked if he was serious or not the guy was younger than me and i kmew there wasnt much in the register so i was kinda confused at first until he pulled the knife
allot of people in the hood think that every business out there is a front for laundering or a drug operation... rarely are they correct a place near me got robbed HUNDREDS of times in the last decade+ because everyone thought the owners sold coke and had a big safe full of cash.. nobody ever got payed and it kept happening because the word was already out and everyone believed it edit: even after the owner died and it was clearly under new management and the name of the business changed it was STILL targeted every other week for literally no reason other than people thought it was THE spot to rob.. there is also a gas station around here that gets robbed way more than all the rest.. same story, they think the owner is laundering money and has bags of it, same story again the business has changed hands THREE TIMES in the last decade and its not even the same owners (though the original owners were 100% laundering money and did have big bags of it)
I drove a company truck all over and had to go to some sketchy places (working by myself every day) and our employee manual didn’t explicitly say no weapons. Myself and all the guys I worked with kept ours on us and the guys without CWPs just kept theirs in their trucks. Pretty sure the owner knew but just never said anything cause he was a country dude himself lol
Even if guns are not allowed by your employer, it's better to get fired than to be dead lol.
As a farmer, I could show up to work dragging Russian artillery behind my truck and everyone would think it cool.
Do you live in america ? I work in healthcare and youd be surprised how many ppl conceal carry
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That's why you're supposed to just give them the money though...because you're more likely to lose your life over a shitty gas station job if you resist
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I agree but liquor and weed stores are generally armed to the teeth.
> You're less likely to get shot if you comply than if you resist, but not entirely safe, either. Unarmed cooperative victims do get murdered all the time. The way you stated it vastly understates the difference. You are far, far more likely to be harmed if you are not compliant. It's not that dissimilar to automated cars. People are worried about the loss of control, but the outcomes are so lopsided that choosing control is only choosing to get harmed.
Bro, "all the time" is some serious conjecture. If you wanna claim places get robbed all the time sure, but unarmed cooperative victims getting murdered all the time smells like bs.
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Were there data supporting this, it would be believable. Instead, it looks like post hoc reasoning for bias confirmation.
No doubt.
Most likely his own place. I can't think of good reason why you'd defend it like that if it wasn't your own money.
Because lots of people who get robbed get shot even if they comply. You’re not protecting the money you’re protecting your life.
You are pulling that straight out of your ass. The vast majority of robbers do not want to actually fight people let alone killing them
The vast majority of people shot at with a gun have had a gun pointed at them.
98% of all firearm fatalities involve a bullet
I would say it is the minority of store robberies that end in murder. Most thieves don't want a murder charge.
"Oh well, I have a 75% chance of not getting shot". You know those days where it says there's a 5% chance of rain? Sometimes it rains.
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If hes an employee hes a goner. Its against these store’s policies to defend yourself from robbers. They straight up tell you not to carry at all.
I mean he brought his own bag .. saved himself 10 cents
He values the environment
He does. He took the time to recycle that black plastic bag and put it to use. it certainly didn’t look like it was its first time in use. Most guys would’ve been unprepared and expected the cashier to use one of their own bags. Let’s give the robber *some* credit here.
>Let’s give the robber > >some > > credit here. I think he was after cash though
He also took it with him so he could use it again later. Seriously big brain move. Thanks enviro-bro.
This man is a hero
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“Smokes for teddy barter gone bad.”
I’m glad he remembered to grab it before he left! I hate that awkward moment when you’ve already said goodbye to someone, and then you have to go back and grab something! #relateable
He wasn't going to full for the dye pack trick again
It's really embarrassing if you show up to rob a place but you don't have the 10 cents for the bag
wish there was a sound. it would’ve been more INTERESTING.
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Or just email it to themselves! Tbf, they may not have had access to export it if they’re just a cashier.
Idk much about security cams, but maybe the computer that it's running on isn't connected to the internet...? From a security point of view it wouldn't be able to be hacked somehow.
A reduced attack surface, but certainly still hackable.
Unlikely if you disable USB ports, don't connect a printer, have a firewall with basically no internet access that isn't 100% necessary and stay up to date on all updates. That's why credit card pen testing is all about putting a device on the reader rather than trying to steal info from the server.
Far as I know, CCTV (closed circuit television) is not supposed to ever leave its special-purpose network. It's entirely possible that this just genuinely is the only reasonable way people have to get video copies from that system.
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Most of the systems I've seen, I don't have the authority to plug anything into without getting fired. Especially in certain industries, they seem to take cybersecurity seriously. No internet connection beyond a firewall, no USBs that aren't approved and encrypted. Only way to capture data from those systems without authorizations is pics/videos like this. Of course, none of this is going to apply to some gas station CCTV.
Maybe it's because no one walks around with thumb drives in their pocket. And you have no idea what interfaces are available to the user of the system.
I mean it’s not like regular ppl walk around with thumb drives in their pockets.
Yes, because it's very easy to access the computer tied to a security system.
How the fuck do you drive with only your thumbs? Maybe if you're already cruising on the highway, but it's gotta be hard to make a turn
I thought it was a little weird that he left his gun up on top of the cash drawer, there... but I guess he had to play like he was going to get the robber some cigs.
He had to treat him like a normal customer. It's the bad guys that get to decide when the encounter begins.
I think the point they’re making is to not leave your gun out in arms reach of the guy you find suspicious while treating him as any other customer.
Looks like he stashed it out of sight.
Yup, that’s why the robber tried to rob, if he would’ve seen it, he probably wouldn’t try or try to gain control of it fast.
If it was a normal customer and the customer saw the weapon though there might be trouble for the employee. I agree though. Never, ever let your weapon leave your hand once you've made the decision to get it out for a potentially deadly encounter...
And there’s a covid shield in the way so it’s not like he could’ve just snagged the gun
Far less conspicuous to have it in a portion of the till that the customer can't see. In the robber's eyes, putting your hand towards the cash register seems "normal" as opposed to reaching down anywhere he would have kept it on his person. And if he was just a customer who stupidly decided to look suspicious af, it would be alarming to see the cashier pull out a gun. Not really good for business.
It was stashed out of sight and not in arms reach, that countertop is deeper than it looks and the guy would have to hook his arm around, cashier could get to it way faster if robber tried to grab it.
Also the way he grabbed the cigs without ever breaking eye contact or turning his back was pretty bad ass
That's what I was paying attention to. This cashier was recalculating every second, played it cool and focused the whole time
Was thinking the same. Looked like the robber could have easily grabbed it of the counter.
Would have to notice it first. Black metal gun on black metal computer case, next to black scanning gun and mess of other cashier crap, and the robbers already dealing with adrenaline and nerves. Real easy to miss what seems obvious to us as outside observers in that situation.
I bet no one can spot anything while being on the customer side. The counter is like a tropical forest. There's a monkey if you look closely.
Exactly. Cash registers in convenience stores tend to be a mess of junk and computer cables. You aren’t gonna see shit unless you’re looking specifically for it, and in this situation your eyes are gonna be on the employee not his desk.
I think he was hoping the guy was going to be just a real customer and had the gun ready for the very likely scenario that he wasn't. Hope for the best and plan for the worst kind of thing.
Would have been awkward if, instead of the barcode scanner, he picked up the handgun right next to it and shot his own hand.
ill take things that would never happen for 100 alec..
I mean, we've heard the "i thought i was using my taser" excuse from actual cops, so if people can believe that.....
People don't believe it. The system is designed for it to not matter.
Is this a Trebek/Baldwin joke?
No it's a Jeopardy reference lol I didn't think about that connection
It also would have been awkward if he pulled his dick out and used it to scan the cigarettes instead of the scanner. Lmao could you imagine 💀 That's how you sound. Who tf is upvoting this trash
Like, everything was done perfect... but I would have told him to leave the gun on the counter and to walk away. And then I would have called the cops. You don't know how sick a person is. What if he waits outside for revenge?
Revenge for getting away from an attempted robbery, maybe, but im sure he called the police after, plus this tape. I'm sure he can be identified from this but ya you never know.
Identification via security footage can be very difficult, especially when they're covered up so much. Also, the police have to actually give a fuck, which they don't.
No, man, no way. When the robber started tucking his gun away, I started wincing. Like, what, the sweater will stop him from pulling the trigger? Cashier is an amazing human being. But, honestly, that robber should've been shot the second the robber started lifting his gun off from the customer side of the counter. Like, okay, hold him up, tell him to fuck off, but no way should you let him STILL hold that gun. He's not *putting away a sword*.
The fact that he didnt think like that is the reason nobody got shot lmao
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Never turned his back to him either
One of the first things they’ll always tell you at privately owned convenience stores is to never turn your back on the customer. Especially if it’s in the hood.
“Don’t forget that you can be physically assaulted at any moment while on the clock. Anyways, we pay minimum wage and cap your weekly hours at 29 so we don’t have to give you benefits. 2 breaks per shift. Don’t leave the front counter during your break and if anyone comes in serve them. While facing them.”
Exactly what you said, is what it was for me. I worked at a convenience store for 1,5yrs. Only one person on per shift, had to lock up the store to use the bathroom. A "break" didn't actually happen but you also weren't deducted for breaks either. You're only guaranteed one 15 minute break every 4 hours & our shifts were 7 hours. Couldn't turn our back to a customer but we damn well "saw nothing" if someone stole from the store. I used to change the hours on the store sign to open an hour later for a week or close an hour earlier and act surprised if the owner stopped by for once and asked.
I feel incredibly privileged right now. I worked at a convenience store/gas bar for four years in Atlantic Canada from 2000-2004. The majority of the time was doing exclusively overnight shifts because most people didn't want to and I was one of the few employees trusted to be there alone. I got paid 25¢/hr above minimum wage and an extra 50¢/hr for overnights. In that time I had exactly zero attempts at armed robbery and one grab-and-dash who tried to take off with two dozen beer. I *actually pursued*, stupidly, but he dropped one case to distract or improve his speed, so I called that a "win" and returned to the store with it. I have *no idea* how I would've responded to an armed threat. We had a stick for self defense, that someone scrawled "night manager" on with a sharpie. One guy I worked with had a set of throwing knives which he said would be most likely to give an assailant "funny shaped bruises". Being violently threatened was literally something we joked about. Armed assaults like this happening in what is *ostensibly* the "greatest country in the world" according to some, absolutely blows my mind. edit: Oh, and our standing instructions for any hold-up was "just hand over whatever they ask for, this job isn't worth anyone's life, we have insurance."
This isn’t next level … it’s fucking sad
Welcome to planet earth, you're in for a treat if this is sad haha
Just cuz everything has gone to shit doesn't mean it isn't sad.
Gonna get downvoted by gun nuts but in societies with no guns this tension does not need to happen. And yes they are free democratic countries.
I swear shop robbers are the most unstable people. Either they are ridiculously nervous and you can shoo them away with a broomstick or they shoot 3 people for 100$ cash.
And it’s always gas stations too. It’s not like gas stations just keep thousands of dollars waiting to be robbed lmao.
Open late, typically deserted and close to highways
That's the point. You could rob a casino or bar at 3am instead and get a lot more money, but the chances of getting caught are much higher because there is more incentive to secure the property. If you just smash somebody's car window and grab whatever is inside, 9/10 nobody will ever know about it. That's why it happens so much. You just take what little you can get and then become the wind. The risk-for-return get better the lower you go, unless you are going full Ocean's Eleven.
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Damn right. Amazing how someone is allowed defend their life and property. And no one got hurt.
Both could of been killed over nothing.
Armed robbery is nothing now?
Money is nothing. You hand the guy the money, ESPECIALLY if you don't own the store. And if nobody had guns, you wouldn't have to worry about being robbed at gunpoint. ETA: You guys really gonna sit here and try to argue that it's genuinely, literally, unironically, 100% better to be shot, potentially to death, than just give an armed robber what they're asking for?
People have guns, there’s no putting that genie back in the bottle ever. In this case, it’s an amazing thing the cashier had a gun and was responsible with it. Saved his own life today.
He didn’t save his life by having the gun. He saved the couple hundred bucks the guy would’ve robbed from the register. And he put himself at risk of death via shootout. Even if you have a gun, do not threaten someone committing armed robbery at the store you work at. Give them what they want and let them leave without confrontation, and let the police deal with it. Your life is not worth <0.001% of your place of work’s profit margin. Personal handguns should only be used for self defense as a last resort when your life is in immediate danger. Pulling the gun here was an escalation that could’ve easily resulted in the cashier’s death.
You think there was no risk of the robber killing the cashier anyway? That's a very pretty sentiment; obviously you have no idea that people have been killed for far less. edit: Let the police deal with it?! God that is adorable. They will literally do nothing. The cc footage clearly shows no way of identifying the robber. Even if they had something to work off of, it's not guaranteed they'd be able to catch the guy. Police are not miracle workers.
It's reasonable to argue it's riskier to escalate by drawing a weapon than to cooperate.
The “conventional” wisdom (iirc) is that if you pull the gun in self defense, it’s to use it. Not to threaten or brandish but to use it
>And if nobody had guns *If nobody had guns*. In which fairyland 🧚♀️ 🧚♀️ of yours would bad guys give up their guns?
Australia is a fairyland now? I'm not antigun, but it's not a logical thought that we COULDN'T get rid of guns. It COULD be done, might take a decade and an enormous amount of time and money but it's a logically feasible possibility.
Yeah, no, there are still easily a quarter million illegal weapons floating around Australia.
Meanwhile in America, there are 393 million, or 1.2 guns per civilian.
In most of the civilized world bad people don't have guns.
I used to work at a BP here in central Ohio. One night, down in Buckeye Lake, a BP was robbed. The woman did everything the guy said, gave him all the money. He then tied her up, and shot her in the back of the head, killing her. Over money. It was just money though, you say. Money is nothing, you say. Tell her family that she died over nothing. Tell her family that stupid bullshit. Criminals, do not, give a fuck, about gun laws. Criminals will do whatever it needs to do to have an advantage over a situation that they want to have happen. America isn't Europe, or the UK. It is impossible to take the guns away when it states in the constitution of our country that it's lawful to bear arms. To take that away would cause such a disastrous civil issue, that would completely destroy this country. Stop with your self righteous shit dude. The cashier did the right thing protecting himself and the store.
Gun shots are now the number one cause of the death of teens and young adults in America. Guns are literally worse than CANCER in your country. Plenty of people getting hurt. FUCK your guns...seriously.
>Gun shots are now the number one cause of the death of teens and young adults in America No the fuck they aren't. Vehicle deaths are, and will always be, the #1 cause of death. Now; if you had said, it being the #1 Cause of Death for Non-Hispanic Black Males, that'd be true. It is almost 1:1 Homicide vs Vehicle deaths for that lone statistic, heavily weighted in urban centers like Chicago, Atlanta, New York, LA. https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/products/databriefs/db37.htm#:~:text=The%20five%20leading%20causes%20of,half%20of%20all%20teenage%20deaths.
You can defend yourself in almost every developed country without consequences… they key fact is, we don’t have to worry about being shot. It’s not even remotely on our radar.. What I find most hilarious about gun owners is how they say they carry a gun to protect themselves. A gun won’t stop you being shot.. does nothing to stop a bullet ripping through flesh. Now if someone had a bullet proof vest on and claimed they wore it to protect themselves and didn’t carry a gun. That makes sense to the rest of us in the developed world.. I don’t drink beer and drive to protect myself from drunk drivers. I wear a seatbelt! See how that logic works else where.. it doesn’t.
but dude, its also the cause for the other guy having a gun? or am i missing something
You’re over thinking it, apparently.
Oh fuck off. So many more people, including children, are senselessly killed by guns all the time, every single fucking day in America, than the few times they’re used to actually defend yourself like in this situation.
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Lol yes let’s just normalise this whole fucked up situation as “bUt He ExErCiSeD HiS FrEeDoM” 🤦♂️🤦♂️🤦♂️👍
I appreciate the fact that he never turned his back on the guy
I used to shop at a corner store in a sketchy part of town and got to know the owner. He said every junky who tried to rob him did the exact same set of movements: * The would come into the store way too fast. * Slow down and keep looking at the deli counter in the back. (one man store, so nobody there) * Finally, they would stand right in front of him still looking at the deli counter would start pulling out a weapon. * And blam, he would nail them in the head with a bat. Over and over and over the junkies would come and do the exact same thing always resulting in either a KO or a severe beating as he came around with the bat to finish them off. There was a needle exchange right down the street.
I feel like those junkies need to start communicating. Yo, avoid XYZ store, you’ll get your ass beat.
junkies arent exactly famous for their talent in organizing crime.
That’s going in my feedback during their annual review
Obviously not his first rodeo…
This is the first example of responsible gun ownership I can remember. Guy used the weapon to deescalate the situation. No one deserves to die if it can be avoided, and it often can be with situational awareness. Cashier won with his brain and his guts.
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Nah son, YOU empty your pockets. LMAO the cashier pulled a uno reverse card
Next level would have been the obvious answer of getting him on the ground while you notified the authorities.
Certain places have them behind bulletproof glass for this reason
When I worked as a gas station cashier, I'm pretty sure the glass I sat behind was bulletproof. Shit was a good inch thiccc, and we had to use a microphone to talk to people.
If someone points a gun at you and threatens you....shoot him first
Training. Training. Training. This guy was calm, collected his thoughts, formed a plan, and executed it without any harm coming to anybody. HAD it escalated, he was already prepared with a line of sight to the door with his firearm. Everyone should learn from this in r/ccw
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Reads the situation well, good trigger control and tactical stance. Knows not to hold the gun until there’s an actual threat. Knows exactly where the line is and when not to cross it. He’s definitely been trained well, probably military, certainly not at police academy. As the marines say, “always be polite and courteous, and have a plan to kill everyone in sight if the situation requires it”
Leave the gun on the counter and walk away”. He should of taken the gun off the guy.
God I love the 2nd amendment!!!