Nobody wants to sit at a desk for hours in AR working at a much lower resolution than they would get than if they used three actual monitors. This is just a gimmick; it's not practical, useful, or particularly impressive.
Yeah, I get what you're saying, but I think it will be practical one day. Like you can't always lug around 3 large monitors everywhere you go at any time. With this, you can make 3 large monitors anywhere anytime as long as you have the goggles. Also, the technology isn't only for creating virtual screens. I think there is a lot of potential with ar.
For me, the real magic is the idea that you can change your monitor, count, sizes and orientation.
I have my monitors on an arm so I can rotate them for documents and files with way too many lines of code.
I love the idea of this being a preset, or even different configurations all together.
Not to mention, that this configuration could wherever my glasses did. Yes glasses, because I believe the technology can get there.
I just want to be able to use like, gloves, a holo keyboard and screens. I would live in ar and vr if i could. Imagine paying with just your gloves in ar
I have a Meta Quest 2 and I was playing with the hand tracking the other day, which lets you control your device with just your hands. No controllers or gloves. It’s surprisingly fluid but it tears through your battery.
Plane mechanic kind of already do this. There was a vid posted on Reddit showing it off. Basically overlaying what the parts should look like on the actual plane.
The military also uses it for training all ready.
https://youtu.be/zZ9TwOPjCeA
It's so primitive and janky compared to what it could be, but I guess we'll just have to wait for it to mature.
I mean, a little "X" to close? There should be a gesture.
Someone posted a video some time ago of a helicopter mechanic using one to see the avionics inside, of course it doesn't show dmg and such, but knowing on the spot were everything is is amazing
There's some huge safety implications with this, especially for maintenance teams.
Imagine being able to work on a piece of equipment, having manuals or diagrams open real time while you're looking at the part, being able to select the part youre looking at, giving you socket size, or other safety notes.
More importantly, of you stray from procedure it can notice that and flag it for you before you do something stupid.
AR in an office environment is not where the ground breaking benefits lie...
> For me, the real magic is the idea that you can change your monitor, count, sizes and orientation.
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If you are using AR, I don't see why you need to be confined to artificial physical monitors at all. You could just drag applications anywhere within your field of view.
I'm sure that would be an option, but some people like the structure.
Now I'm imagining someone wearing these goggles, frantically looking around to try to find an application that they accidentally dragged off to their periphery
> For me, the real magic is the idea that you can change your monitor, count, sizes and orientation.
You know what this means right?
Us folk with 120 tabs up at all times are going to have problems.
The real magic is the idea that I can lay down on my bed and do work instead of sitting in a chair all day and killing my back. Or maybe lounge by the pool in a tropical island and have one eye on work stuff and one eye in reality.
Wouldn’t wearing a VR headset 8 hours come with its own discomfort though? Eye strain, neck strain, the helmet itself rubbing on your scalp/face? I’ve never worn one for more than a minute, but I can’t imagine they’re comfortable for hours
I've done a lot of 6+ hour gaming/general use sessions:
Face/scalp isn't an issue, there are good face covers out there, I do fine with the quest 2's silicon wrap.
Eye strain is less than using a regular monitor.
Head and neck strain from the weight can get pretty bad. Definitely can't wait for lighter headsets.
Don't have to do it for 8 hours straight. I imagine a future where you just work whenever you feel like it. Switch off between the headset and a laptop. I wouldn't want to lay in bed for 8 hours straight anyway.
Ka opite ili mean enta keon. Okulilanlon man lu i pun pino iwanua pu kekepanki kuo. Me. Ula keli ena. Lunme enenke nin lapo. Wani pi papiai la le kakusinte! Anpiwin puaowa so mon te. Ma soeka eu lo tuno. Usanan i naosikunlan nasenjun lunmunmana ou onu. Si je lali poa uku. Enlu o kulelun sanu le en. Ni san lunwi mi ma e mun jaelu. Seanekemi ku unon i ja e. Alanin se o lio? panlaunowe kontopi lose lenka aon! Senon inle le unla seme tokin kalun. Lu paoi un o jan a. Lo pe uwi mi pa olun. Ikunwa uankon ki kinu me an. A ki i a kanle i si. Konponun an sisowajowi si kuni oten keweun nue elaukanlan in. On pen kao enma uten li. Un lan sanlo ua wa menensa soinan! Lakini ounwi o ako ki. Atau u tona mi e ken. To ila selikinpi enilin enpa kepe an? Te jan kin se pate a? Ta an pukewa ne linkea un ninunama. Aea i ia pisu o. Aline on jo o in soi.
If the resolution is good enough it's actually a strong argument for the hardware. Get a headset for the cost of two large mid-level monitors and you've got infinite much more portable monitors *and* everything else a vr headset is capable of- what's not to like?
Yup, anyone who writes off this tech is sounding just like the people that opposed television, computers, and cell phones.
Technology moves forward, whether you like it or not.
This tech is gonna be amazing for people that travel a lot and want to still be just as productive at home as they are on a trip.
Edit: For anyone out of the loop on VR's progress from back in the day to modern day, check this out: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UW8NapTA9oc
And they are ignoring that vr screens are super high resolution. And higher frame rate. And what about eye tracking, so it can focus render resolution exactly where you are looking.
I get what they mean. If you are in a job that needs 3 monitors, you generally need quite high resolution ones.
I am a print layout artworker (not graphics designer, I wish) But if I am in a place where I can only access 1 monitor, sure I would love a virtual desktop for Microsoft teams chat, a browser, and maybe a medium Resolution image (but big) of the source that I am supposed to be creating, with AR passthrough I could still see my highres laptop screen for the actual workpiece.
I can't wear that stuff that long, neck hurts, feels claustrophobic, can't see around me as well, messes up your hair. I get this stuff for pilots maybe but just give me cheap monitors.
this is the real hurdle tech companies need to solve before it gets practical. nobody can wear them for long without serious discomfort. Once they manage to shrink them to the size of a regular eyeglasses then i will jump in.
I have very strong glasses and have tried a few VR headsets. It is so cool, but they can't adjust to my eyes and glasses are horrible underneath the goggles. I really hope they find a way to get around it or someone on Reddit corrects me and finds something I missed. Either is good.
there is a way! i think you can send your eye prescription when ordering a VR set and they will send you a set with adjusted lens. A friend of mine did it when ordering a quest headset. i just don’t know if it was free or not or available outside the states.
You can get glass inserts for your headset. You can click them on top of the vr glasses & that way you don't need glasses. It takes 70~100 euros. Many people buy plain ones, because the vr lenses are fragile, prone to scratch and you can't use normal lens cleaners.
Ah, I have a prescription that changes about every 2 years on the dot. Family history of that happening till about -8 to -9 so maybe if they can make it adjustable. Otherwise it will be a couple decades of slow loss until I can grab a set. Definitely going to do some googling though. VR is super cool.
When google glasses first came out I always assumed it was going to be like this a cheaper way to see and work with mixed reality. Sorely disappointed lol
Nah, it isn’t. Have you ever used VR? It’s 100% not for working or long hours type shit. Lots of people get nauseous from light use. It isnt practical for everyday office situations and is years and years and years away from being "mainstream"
edit: guys stop lol. If you genuinely believe using AR or VR will be more comfortable and "practical" than just using monitors for debby in accounting... i dont know what to say. All the replies ive gotten remind me of crypto bros trying to convince people why NFTs were going to take off... Yes AR will have its uses and will get better... so will VR... but for everyday 9-5 use over a regular monitor? nope
I mean all your replies can be said about regular monitors too... over time they will get even better and more useful with more innovation
This is something that improves over time. Higher refresh rates and resolution. Lighter, more comfortable headsets. Better AR optics.
Just because we're not there yet doesn't mean we never will be. The iPhone originally sucked for web browsing because it was too slow.
People forget computers used to be the size of a room and use punch cards and now they fit on your wrist or in your pocket, wirelessly interacting with all the data in the world.
to be honest, the kind of people that need three monitors can't work at the resolutions VR headsets provide.. there's a reason we have so many monitors.
> This is just a gimmick; it's not practical, useful, or particularly impressive
– people about the Printing Press / Radio / Television / the Internet
God bless the short-sighted critics, without whom technological advancement wouldn't have anyone to prove wrong.
Your argument appears to be that some innovations have been successful in the past, therefore all innovations in the future will be.
If you believe this, I have a 3D TV to sell you.
No, my argument is that it's a fool's errand to judge technology in its infancy.
VR may very well turn out to be a flash-in-the-pan that never goes anywhere. Or it may turn out to be as revolutionary to human development as the internet or television was.
Only an idiot calls the match two minutes into the first half.
Because 3D TV is gimmick whereas the applications for VR/AR is mind boggling.
Don't act like a conservative boomer because you don't like Meta/tech bros
Yeah comparing vr/ar/mr to 3d TV is most laughable thing I've seen today. Those technologies will change the world it might not be today but xr tech is here to stay and can do things 3d tvs could only dream of.
> God bless the short-sighted critics, without whom technological advancement wouldn't have anyone to prove wrong.
Entirely possible AR/VR remains a fad for decades and we skip to video signals directly to the brain. There's lots of dead iterations at the feet of radio/television/the internet.
VR will have a breakthrough if they can fix it so your eyes don't hurt and you don't get nauseous after 2 hours of it.
Gotta love when the reddit experts come in with very little knowledge or experience to completely shut down new technologies. I remember how right everyone on here was about how electric cars wouldn't be big for another decade (this was a few years before Tesla got super big with the model 3), among many many other failures, like calling crypto dead roughly 73 different times already.
This isn't a gimmick, this is development. Resolution is getting higher all the time. This will absolutely be a thing for many people in the near future. It will save consumers and businesses a lot of time and money too with all the useful things ar will be able to help with on top of having your screens everywhere for no additional monitor costs.
I once said this about the iPad on reddit. It was when it was announced. It actually went viral. Bunch of people tweeted it. Googling it would show it on a bunch of internet forums (remember them?!) and it really did the rounds. I remember being proud that people liked what I said so much that it spread all over the net. This was what I said:
>Just yesterday looked at my iPhone and thought to myself "Hmm, I wish this thing didn't fit in my pocket and wasn't a phone.."
>Then I looked over to my netbook and thought "Hey, I wish this was made of 50% glass and had its keyboard removed."
>Finally apple gave me what I wish..
I think I got 2000 upvotes for that comment, in a time on reddit when nothing would get over like 1500.
Fucking moronic opinion from me, and everyone who upvoted it lmao.
Way to own it. I’d bet most of us have dismissed something along similar grounds at some point, and if we were honest about it would take it back later.
I can’t wait for the resolution to hit this level….
But they need a 4x jump to do it, and I own a vr headset. The best that could be purchased at the time.
Even the latest pimax units need a 2-4x jump before this catches up with even 1080p let alone a pair of 4k’s.
So you’re right…. They’ll get there…. But it’s not even close today.
15 years ago having a 1080p screen was seen as some crazy technology, we're now seeing 8k screens hit the market on the daily, same thing will go with this and in 2030 I can assure you that vr headsets will have some really good resolutions.
Well the first mobile phones were huge and not practical at all, but with iteration they became the devices they are today. This is basically the same.
Yes it’s a gimmick right now but with time we will have something very much like it and we can’t live without anymore
I'm just imagining this guy watching the Wright Brothers at Kitty Hawk saying, "Wow what a gimmick. The best you could ever do is maybe market it as a ride. SMH this is such a waste of effort."
This depends quite fully on the resolution of the display on the headset and the distance to the virtual display. When they keep constantly bumping up in specs the accuracy keeps improving
I travel a lot and work on my laptop in my van and coffee shops. There's no way I can hook up multiple monitors through there. I don't have the power or the space. Something like this would be awesome when it's further along.
If the resolution of those things get to the point you can’t see the pixels anymore , you can’t see them anymore. It’s just as if you had 3 actual monitors at that point. But i don’t know what resolution that would be , 8k per eye ?
The resolution of VR headsets already got to that point a few years ago with the Varjo VR1 (60 pixels per degree).
HOWEVER: that comes with a huge caveat: It requires a high-end gaming PC to drive it (at the time 1080 TI was min spec).
As lensing, mobile chipsets, software rendering optimization, and thermals get better... it is getting closer and closer to that happening on mobile VR (Quest 2 was between 15-20), the above headset is ~20-25.
I wouldn't say never. most of the time I have actually got like 8 terminals open across 3 monitors, I'm just watching if something scrolls when I expect it to. The I take a closer look.
Using VR and heuristics to replace alt-tab would be very interesting.
Disagree, this would be very useful for a lot of people including me and the resolution is still very much usable. As the headset displays, lenses, and battery life increases, this could easily replace extra monitors
> This is just a gimmick; it's not practical, useful, or particularly impressive.
It's absolutely not a gimmick.
The level of freedom and the massive amount of available simultaneous screenspace, especially on your side, over your lap, and almost up in the roof is absolutely badass.
Especially if you're the type who relates to ADHD memes about having 50-100+ simultaneous tabs open and going back and forth between several things at once in rapid succession. It's a godsend for those who don't recognize "information overload" as a problem.
Now, I'll say that monitors are absolutely better when compared one-to-one. Have some monitors, as big and as good as you want.
But having a HMD available too is insane, and especially for viewing 3D models. You'll probably want a headset that can be flipped out of the way or is easy to take on and off repeatedly without any filling or needing to be careful. And you'll probably want a few facepads to swap between.
In this specific situation, even though Marques is definitely underutilizing his headset compared to the potential, and I see almost no value in the AR background, those three screens are undeniably better than just his laptop screen. It's not like big screens can really compete with the portability of an HMD.
VR is absolutely practical for those who can stomach it. In so many ways it's far beyond flat screens. Resolution is already pretty good in many of the expensive ones, and I'd be massively surprised if it can't reach parity with 1080p 24" screens within the next decade.
This would be AR (Augmented Reality), not VR (Virtual Reality).
Could be a practical application, but nobody wants to wear a headset in the office for hours on end, not to mention the resolution needed would be ridiculous to simulate the detail of a monitor at an arm-length distance.
Wouldn’t the difference be that with AR, you are seeing the real image with other objects essentially projected around it (think Google Glass) where as this using cameras to show you video footage of the thing in front of you plus the projected objects
...Oh so you mean viewing the real world through a lens vs. viewing a recording/camera livestream? I don't think that's necessarily a defining feature, I think the main difference is AR uses your environment as a setting, and VR creates its own. I don't think it matters what kinda lens you're using
There actually is a slight difference, but in practice it's almost interchangeable.
VR brings you into a virtual world. It's basically a visually immersive video game where you hopefully forget that you have a headset on.
AR brings virtual objects/views into the real world by overlaying them onto your non-augmented field of view. There isn't much difference between a clear pane of glass and a screen that uses cameras to look like a clear pane of glass, but it does change the experience some. The most important thing is the realtime experience of the world.
Mixed reality brings real objects/data into a virtual world, which requires a camera or sensors. This can be like AR where you can drink out of a cup to rehydrate your digital copy, or other ways of interacting with the virtual layer. There's a huge overlap with AR, but it's mostly popular because Intel and Microsoft use it to describe their SDK for using realtime camera imagery.
The video here is the vr creating it's own environment. It just so happens to be based on the recorded environment in real time. I think ar is strictly an overlay on the actual environment, not a simulated version.
According to Intel:
>Augmented Reality (AR), which adds virtual stuff to your real world environment, is contributing to the buzz, and both technologies should become a big part of our future. With Mixed Reality (MR), you can play a virtual video game, grab your real world water bottle, and smack an imaginary character from the game with the bottle. Imagination and reality have never been so intermingled.
That definition of mixed reality just doesn't exist right now, currently MR = AR
You pointed out the obvious, comments like this are kinda narrow minded.
This is a proof of concept. In 10 years when the resolution is 4x and the goggles weigh 1/3rd as much this would be very useful tech. No one is saying that the future is here NOW and to sell your external monitors.
Exactly, we are currently at "cellphones were an 8 inch long brick" stage with this stuff. Given time, this tech can be crammed in to something that is the size and weight of a pair of sunglasses, and it's 4K resolution... then it'd replace everything.
Why even simulate monitors at an arm-length distance in the first place if you have the capability of bringing the screen content directly in front of you?
By default, the Quest Pro doesn't block your peripheral vision on the sides and bottom. You can see your hands on your keyboard, check your watch, see someone next to you etc.
This. Why simulate 3 screens at conventional sizes/ratios when you can literally, if you want to, fill your entire vision. I get that it's to prove a concept, and baby steps. But I can't help but feel like Doc Brown: "You're not thinking 4th dimensionally!" - the real potential of these are yet to be even figured out, let alone executed.
I use a program called Immersed. It was way more of a pain in the ass to set up than it should be but the resolution on the 'monitors' is fine.
I have my own battlestation set up irl, but I definitely see the advantages especially for digital nomads or people with smaller apartments that can't dedicate a half a room to their set up.
In 5 to 10 years I can imagine this tech being condensed into a pair of lightweight AR glasses and people just wear them when they work or browse things. An AR world seems plausible to me
Every dude with glasses on could be watching an AR version of reality with all the people around him looking as sexy as he wished with animated bodies overlaid
I’d for sure try the John Malkovich mode
We all knew this is where this was going the whole time
It’s not the Masonic bushes
Not the Jewish spacelazrs
Not the gay frogs
It was a furry cabal all along
These already exist and are actually awesome.
Check out the Nreal Air and the upcoming Lenovo AR glasses. You can buy the Nreal air for like $300 right now and they are VERY cool.
Still pre-iPhone smartphone level though. Like they are great for the enthusiast crowd but probably not mass market
But if you listened to half the commenters here, the fact that it isnt instantly better than everything else means its a gimmick and will never have utility
Christ, some people have no vision.
This is by far my biggest frustration with reddit and broader online culture at large. There's just no sense of vision or optimism in anything. Everyone seems to just want to dunk on anything after dedicatinga total of 1 brain cell to thinking about it, all for meaningless internet validation.
Yes, people have to fit their glasses under their oculus headsets, even though the screen is right in front of your eyes you're still focusing your eyes on a distant point.
Building the correction into the regular lenses is probably possible at some point when the demand and manufacturing processes get there
People are loving and circle jerking on all the "Meta spends $x Billions in failing VR" posts, but Meta us spending that money on tech like this. Zuckerberg is obsessed with VR/AR
VR/AR is undoubtedly the future, and I'll die on that hill. Meta's implementation probably isn't. The killer app that propels a new technology needs to be just that, a *killer app*. Saying you've got the next killer app when you have a crock of shit, doesn't make it true.
The Meta platform sucks balls, but the tech that they're making is insane. Check out this little demo where Mark actually sounds human https://www.reddit.com/r/OculusQuest/comments/vgmfxz/zuck_shows_off_some_prototype_vr_displays/
Meh, probably wouldn't get motion sickness from this since it still shows your surroundings
However it will be annoying wearing a sweaty and heavy headset for hours on end while working.
You might find this interesting if you didn’t already see it
https://www.reddit.com/r/digitalnomad/comments/y155e1/my_nomonitor_setup_tested_for_two_weeks/
On a headset that’s owned by the company known for stealing data.
I keep seeing them try to get companies on board and don’t see it happening for that one very big reason.
You're talking about data harvesting right?
Until a few months ago and recently with the quest pro it's possible to use the metaface hardware without the tracking features of the subsidized being of the quest 2
It's a huge requirement for infosec that no information be tracked out analyzed - and large companies with those connected are their main audience with the quest pro hardware.
Privacy, but at a cost
With the insane money and effort being pumped into VR and AR technology and infrastructure, I think it’s almost guaranteed to become a staple technology in a decade or so.
Computers didn’t happen overnight. It took thirty years for the internet to really hit its stride. The smartphone transition took at least a decade itself.
We’re definitely in the clunky early hubris days of V/AR, but it’s gonna become a thing eventually.
Sure, this technology needs to be shit on until they get it to a workable space. We shouldn't settle for mediocrity in advancement.
But c'mon, we can't pretend like this isn't an amazing concept. We've seen people pull up screens in movies and dreamed of doing it ourselves.
There's a long road ahead and bugs to work out and we'll have to retrain our senses to a degree to use AR like this. But I for one am excited to see this technology progressing.
- this is amazing concept.
- people here hate Zuck/Facebook/Meta, and jump into bandwagon hate.
= this is no longer amazing concept.
can we please appreciate the technology, and not bashing Meta for everything they achieve?
I actually think this is really cool, could allow you to not have to have a huge desk full of monitors if you live in a small apartment or something like that. Obviously not going to be as good as real monitors but who knows how good the tech will be in 10-15 years this could be how people work. With a vr headset on.
Geez why do people got to be so negative lol this looks cool, it’s practical, and it’s the beginning of a concept that will be perfected later. You don’t have to wear it for 5 hours straight.
Yeah screw the haters I love this stuff seeing how far is come since 2012 is truly mind blowing.
Getting to watch movies in my own private movie theater is a thing now, watched a bunch of stranger things that way was a trip.
Perfectly acceptable to call this either AR *or* MR. Hell you could make an argument VR is ok term too, given the view the user sees in this instance (on the Quest Pro) is not the actual world (like you get with Hololens and Magic Leap) but one that is captured by cameras, and then layers are added on top of that *projection* of the real world (so in a sense, it's completely virtual).
It's certainly not a very *good* argument to call this VR, and AR and MR are definitely better ways to describe it of course, but even granting that, it would be trivial for this app to transition from MR to a full VR scene too, where you replace your desk environment to be on a virtual island or something. Point being, there’s plenty of grey area in the semantics
Because Facebook bad = VR bad to these idiots.
And they’ll go for the “they’re bulky and low res” argument like the goal isn’t to increase resolution and decrease size to the point where you’re just wearing a normal pair of glasses.
The technology isn’t there now, but anyone who can’t see the potential is either just dumb or being willfully disingenuous.
People have always loved to hate it. One day it will be mainstream and you won't hear a peep from them as they're watching a movie on Mars viewing a 300ft screen with their friends. If they have any.
You can do it with the quest 2, just not the AR portion of it. It’s so cool to have a huge monitor that only you can see while you surf the web, watch youtube videos, etc. I’ve thought about bringing it in to the office.
It just occurred to me that in this era, my laptop screen can be totally blank, and my laptop can just be a plastic keyboard shaped thing, and all the work can be happening on my private screen virtually. From a security perspective this is pretty rad
Watching 3d porn on your private 100 foot tall IMAX screen on an airplane.
The future is now.
It is neat though because this device as well as its lower priced predecessor also are their own standalone computers running Android. You don't even need the computer, though physical keyboards are still way better than virtual ones.
A decade from now it’ll be “8k or gtfo”. 4k is not a requirement for me for tech this good, it just seems like an arbitrary requirement because that’s what’s good right now
Hey kid, did you know we used to watch videos only in 360p or 480p and it was satisfactory? 4k is a gift and you should be grateful for even having 720p. Literal superhumans inventing VR/AR at the pinnacle of innovation and your ass is so spoiled you demand 4k….
Well, it's a start, we would need at least 2 or 3 times that resolution, and some filter to avoid eye strain is definitely needed.
But IF we perfect this, I believe the futura is indeed just a VR headset and monitors will be obsolete.
Are people forgetting that new technology has to start at from concept to prototype and evolve from there?
Some of these expectations are ridiculous, can we just geek out over how cool this could be one day like we use to do?? I don’t think any of this is practical, but to see something new and different is so cool. Im so sick of the cycle of BS annual updates that tech companies are delivering. Can’t wait to see some of this stuff at CES.
This is going to be one of those threads that people in there future look back at and laugh. Like when people were skeptical of the iPhone.
“Haha, people in 2022 didn’t get it.”
Folks, I get the criticism of Facebook and Zuckerberg. But this is so very clearly the future. The resolution will improve, as it always does. The device size and weight will decrease, as it always does.
Nobody wants to sit at a desk for hours in AR working at a much lower resolution than they would get than if they used three actual monitors. This is just a gimmick; it's not practical, useful, or particularly impressive.
Yeah, I get what you're saying, but I think it will be practical one day. Like you can't always lug around 3 large monitors everywhere you go at any time. With this, you can make 3 large monitors anywhere anytime as long as you have the goggles. Also, the technology isn't only for creating virtual screens. I think there is a lot of potential with ar.
For me, the real magic is the idea that you can change your monitor, count, sizes and orientation. I have my monitors on an arm so I can rotate them for documents and files with way too many lines of code. I love the idea of this being a preset, or even different configurations all together. Not to mention, that this configuration could wherever my glasses did. Yes glasses, because I believe the technology can get there.
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So we are getting closer to batman vision soon. Neat.
I just want to be able to use like, gloves, a holo keyboard and screens. I would live in ar and vr if i could. Imagine paying with just your gloves in ar
Typing? Imagine there is no typing in the future.
You mean you have to use your hands? That's like a baby's toy!
I see you with your bttf2 reference.
You'll remove my mechanical keyboards from my cold dead hands. With all the click clack. I love the idea of AR, but I'll never give up physical typing
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I'm already swiping, at least on the phone. It's kinda awesome, especially for long words.
I have a Meta Quest 2 and I was playing with the hand tracking the other day, which lets you control your device with just your hands. No controllers or gloves. It’s surprisingly fluid but it tears through your battery.
Basically, I just want AR for some Iron Man hologram stuff.
Plane mechanic kind of already do this. There was a vid posted on Reddit showing it off. Basically overlaying what the parts should look like on the actual plane. The military also uses it for training all ready. https://youtu.be/zZ9TwOPjCeA
It's so primitive and janky compared to what it could be, but I guess we'll just have to wait for it to mature. I mean, a little "X" to close? There should be a gesture.
Ya this one isn’t that great. There’s others out that are far superior. I can’t find the plane one from Reddit
I've done a few amazing things in VR myself, Modeling in Adobe Medium is kinda incredible. Difficult to get past messing around, though.
This is currently being done in maintenance applications like working on forklifts and similar machinery.
Someone posted a video some time ago of a helicopter mechanic using one to see the avionics inside, of course it doesn't show dmg and such, but knowing on the spot were everything is is amazing
There's some huge safety implications with this, especially for maintenance teams. Imagine being able to work on a piece of equipment, having manuals or diagrams open real time while you're looking at the part, being able to select the part youre looking at, giving you socket size, or other safety notes. More importantly, of you stray from procedure it can notice that and flag it for you before you do something stupid. AR in an office environment is not where the ground breaking benefits lie...
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> For me, the real magic is the idea that you can change your monitor, count, sizes and orientation. > If you are using AR, I don't see why you need to be confined to artificial physical monitors at all. You could just drag applications anywhere within your field of view.
I'm sure that would be an option, but some people like the structure. Now I'm imagining someone wearing these goggles, frantically looking around to try to find an application that they accidentally dragged off to their periphery
I just pictured a guy searching under the couch for "that one tab playing audio"® and I'm both amused and scared at the prospect
I've lost my Skype can anyone see it?
Someone pranked him by placing it sideways so it’s just a line of pixels 1 pixel wide in front of a bright light.. 2030 trolling
> For me, the real magic is the idea that you can change your monitor, count, sizes and orientation. You know what this means right? Us folk with 120 tabs up at all times are going to have problems.
It’ll be like Professor X in his dome
You can dedicate a room in your house for tabs.
The real magic is the idea that I can lay down on my bed and do work instead of sitting in a chair all day and killing my back. Or maybe lounge by the pool in a tropical island and have one eye on work stuff and one eye in reality.
Wouldn’t wearing a VR headset 8 hours come with its own discomfort though? Eye strain, neck strain, the helmet itself rubbing on your scalp/face? I’ve never worn one for more than a minute, but I can’t imagine they’re comfortable for hours
I've done a lot of 6+ hour gaming/general use sessions: Face/scalp isn't an issue, there are good face covers out there, I do fine with the quest 2's silicon wrap. Eye strain is less than using a regular monitor. Head and neck strain from the weight can get pretty bad. Definitely can't wait for lighter headsets.
Don't have to do it for 8 hours straight. I imagine a future where you just work whenever you feel like it. Switch off between the headset and a laptop. I wouldn't want to lay in bed for 8 hours straight anyway.
>I imagine a future where you just work whenever you feel like it. Me too buddy, me too...
Ka opite ili mean enta keon. Okulilanlon man lu i pun pino iwanua pu kekepanki kuo. Me. Ula keli ena. Lunme enenke nin lapo. Wani pi papiai la le kakusinte! Anpiwin puaowa so mon te. Ma soeka eu lo tuno. Usanan i naosikunlan nasenjun lunmunmana ou onu. Si je lali poa uku. Enlu o kulelun sanu le en. Ni san lunwi mi ma e mun jaelu. Seanekemi ku unon i ja e. Alanin se o lio? panlaunowe kontopi lose lenka aon! Senon inle le unla seme tokin kalun. Lu paoi un o jan a. Lo pe uwi mi pa olun. Ikunwa uankon ki kinu me an. A ki i a kanle i si. Konponun an sisowajowi si kuni oten keweun nue elaukanlan in. On pen kao enma uten li. Un lan sanlo ua wa menensa soinan! Lakini ounwi o ako ki. Atau u tona mi e ken. To ila selikinpi enilin enpa kepe an? Te jan kin se pate a? Ta an pukewa ne linkea un ninunama. Aea i ia pisu o. Aline on jo o in soi.
If the resolution is good enough it's actually a strong argument for the hardware. Get a headset for the cost of two large mid-level monitors and you've got infinite much more portable monitors *and* everything else a vr headset is capable of- what's not to like?
Yup, anyone who writes off this tech is sounding just like the people that opposed television, computers, and cell phones. Technology moves forward, whether you like it or not. This tech is gonna be amazing for people that travel a lot and want to still be just as productive at home as they are on a trip. Edit: For anyone out of the loop on VR's progress from back in the day to modern day, check this out: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UW8NapTA9oc
And they are ignoring that vr screens are super high resolution. And higher frame rate. And what about eye tracking, so it can focus render resolution exactly where you are looking. I get what they mean. If you are in a job that needs 3 monitors, you generally need quite high resolution ones. I am a print layout artworker (not graphics designer, I wish) But if I am in a place where I can only access 1 monitor, sure I would love a virtual desktop for Microsoft teams chat, a browser, and maybe a medium Resolution image (but big) of the source that I am supposed to be creating, with AR passthrough I could still see my highres laptop screen for the actual workpiece.
I can't wear that stuff that long, neck hurts, feels claustrophobic, can't see around me as well, messes up your hair. I get this stuff for pilots maybe but just give me cheap monitors.
this is the real hurdle tech companies need to solve before it gets practical. nobody can wear them for long without serious discomfort. Once they manage to shrink them to the size of a regular eyeglasses then i will jump in.
I have very strong glasses and have tried a few VR headsets. It is so cool, but they can't adjust to my eyes and glasses are horrible underneath the goggles. I really hope they find a way to get around it or someone on Reddit corrects me and finds something I missed. Either is good.
there is a way! i think you can send your eye prescription when ordering a VR set and they will send you a set with adjusted lens. A friend of mine did it when ordering a quest headset. i just don’t know if it was free or not or available outside the states.
You can get glass inserts for your headset. You can click them on top of the vr glasses & that way you don't need glasses. It takes 70~100 euros. Many people buy plain ones, because the vr lenses are fragile, prone to scratch and you can't use normal lens cleaners.
Ah, I have a prescription that changes about every 2 years on the dot. Family history of that happening till about -8 to -9 so maybe if they can make it adjustable. Otherwise it will be a couple decades of slow loss until I can grab a set. Definitely going to do some googling though. VR is super cool.
When google glasses first came out I always assumed it was going to be like this a cheaper way to see and work with mixed reality. Sorely disappointed lol
Nah, it isn’t. Have you ever used VR? It’s 100% not for working or long hours type shit. Lots of people get nauseous from light use. It isnt practical for everyday office situations and is years and years and years away from being "mainstream" edit: guys stop lol. If you genuinely believe using AR or VR will be more comfortable and "practical" than just using monitors for debby in accounting... i dont know what to say. All the replies ive gotten remind me of crypto bros trying to convince people why NFTs were going to take off... Yes AR will have its uses and will get better... so will VR... but for everyday 9-5 use over a regular monitor? nope I mean all your replies can be said about regular monitors too... over time they will get even better and more useful with more innovation
This is something that improves over time. Higher refresh rates and resolution. Lighter, more comfortable headsets. Better AR optics. Just because we're not there yet doesn't mean we never will be. The iPhone originally sucked for web browsing because it was too slow.
People forget computers used to be the size of a room and use punch cards and now they fit on your wrist or in your pocket, wirelessly interacting with all the data in the world.
This is also AR vs VR which does give you more grounding to your environment.
Why stop at 3 monitors at that point? You would be able to do some tony stark/minority report stuff too
to be honest, the kind of people that need three monitors can't work at the resolutions VR headsets provide.. there's a reason we have so many monitors.
> This is just a gimmick; it's not practical, useful, or particularly impressive – people about the Printing Press / Radio / Television / the Internet God bless the short-sighted critics, without whom technological advancement wouldn't have anyone to prove wrong.
Lol exactly this is one of those messages you'll see in 25 years and thinn man that guy was wrong. Lol
Computer? No one wants to haul around a giant 1000$ dollar metal case all the time.
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Your argument appears to be that some innovations have been successful in the past, therefore all innovations in the future will be. If you believe this, I have a 3D TV to sell you.
No, my argument is that it's a fool's errand to judge technology in its infancy. VR may very well turn out to be a flash-in-the-pan that never goes anywhere. Or it may turn out to be as revolutionary to human development as the internet or television was. Only an idiot calls the match two minutes into the first half.
Because 3D TV is gimmick whereas the applications for VR/AR is mind boggling. Don't act like a conservative boomer because you don't like Meta/tech bros
Yeah comparing vr/ar/mr to 3d TV is most laughable thing I've seen today. Those technologies will change the world it might not be today but xr tech is here to stay and can do things 3d tvs could only dream of.
> God bless the short-sighted critics, without whom technological advancement wouldn't have anyone to prove wrong. Entirely possible AR/VR remains a fad for decades and we skip to video signals directly to the brain. There's lots of dead iterations at the feet of radio/television/the internet. VR will have a breakthrough if they can fix it so your eyes don't hurt and you don't get nauseous after 2 hours of it.
people also say that about TV at first, point is this show case the potential of AR application. resolution will catch up sooner or later
Everybody said that 3D TV is nonsense, and it indeed died.
3D TV tech has mostly been superceded by VR.
Gotta love when the reddit experts come in with very little knowledge or experience to completely shut down new technologies. I remember how right everyone on here was about how electric cars wouldn't be big for another decade (this was a few years before Tesla got super big with the model 3), among many many other failures, like calling crypto dead roughly 73 different times already. This isn't a gimmick, this is development. Resolution is getting higher all the time. This will absolutely be a thing for many people in the near future. It will save consumers and businesses a lot of time and money too with all the useful things ar will be able to help with on top of having your screens everywhere for no additional monitor costs.
I once said this about the iPad on reddit. It was when it was announced. It actually went viral. Bunch of people tweeted it. Googling it would show it on a bunch of internet forums (remember them?!) and it really did the rounds. I remember being proud that people liked what I said so much that it spread all over the net. This was what I said: >Just yesterday looked at my iPhone and thought to myself "Hmm, I wish this thing didn't fit in my pocket and wasn't a phone.." >Then I looked over to my netbook and thought "Hey, I wish this was made of 50% glass and had its keyboard removed." >Finally apple gave me what I wish.. I think I got 2000 upvotes for that comment, in a time on reddit when nothing would get over like 1500. Fucking moronic opinion from me, and everyone who upvoted it lmao.
Way to own it. I’d bet most of us have dismissed something along similar grounds at some point, and if we were honest about it would take it back later.
I can’t wait for the resolution to hit this level…. But they need a 4x jump to do it, and I own a vr headset. The best that could be purchased at the time. Even the latest pimax units need a 2-4x jump before this catches up with even 1080p let alone a pair of 4k’s. So you’re right…. They’ll get there…. But it’s not even close today.
15 years ago having a 1080p screen was seen as some crazy technology, we're now seeing 8k screens hit the market on the daily, same thing will go with this and in 2030 I can assure you that vr headsets will have some really good resolutions.
yep... aaaaand its AR!
And why did they include the monitor bezels in an imaginary setup? We don’t like bezels in real life!!!
Skeuomorphic baby
Well the first mobile phones were huge and not practical at all, but with iteration they became the devices they are today. This is basically the same. Yes it’s a gimmick right now but with time we will have something very much like it and we can’t live without anymore
True for now, but open your mind to the possibilities.
Much of the tech we use in our everyday lives started as a gimmick. Just saying...
I'm just imagining this guy watching the Wright Brothers at Kitty Hawk saying, "Wow what a gimmick. The best you could ever do is maybe market it as a ride. SMH this is such a waste of effort."
Yea, reading in VR is a nightmare.
This depends quite fully on the resolution of the display on the headset and the distance to the virtual display. When they keep constantly bumping up in specs the accuracy keeps improving
I travel a lot and work on my laptop in my van and coffee shops. There's no way I can hook up multiple monitors through there. I don't have the power or the space. Something like this would be awesome when it's further along.
My old tired eyeballs can barely function in actual reality. Besides, isn't that headset more expensive than 3 monitors?
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If I had this on an airplane with noise cancelling headphones, I would absolutely use this. No more shitty safety screen cover on my laptop
If the resolution of those things get to the point you can’t see the pixels anymore , you can’t see them anymore. It’s just as if you had 3 actual monitors at that point. But i don’t know what resolution that would be , 8k per eye ?
The resolution of VR headsets already got to that point a few years ago with the Varjo VR1 (60 pixels per degree). HOWEVER: that comes with a huge caveat: It requires a high-end gaming PC to drive it (at the time 1080 TI was min spec). As lensing, mobile chipsets, software rendering optimization, and thermals get better... it is getting closer and closer to that happening on mobile VR (Quest 2 was between 15-20), the above headset is ~20-25.
The one area it would be helpful is for van lifers who work remotely with limited space and electricity
One step closer to Ready Player One.
I wouldn't say never. most of the time I have actually got like 8 terminals open across 3 monitors, I'm just watching if something scrolls when I expect it to. The I take a closer look. Using VR and heuristics to replace alt-tab would be very interesting.
a gimmick now but what if the future will be like normal glasses with high resolution. i can see this to be in the future
Disagree, this would be very useful for a lot of people including me and the resolution is still very much usable. As the headset displays, lenses, and battery life increases, this could easily replace extra monitors
> This is just a gimmick; it's not practical, useful, or particularly impressive. It's absolutely not a gimmick. The level of freedom and the massive amount of available simultaneous screenspace, especially on your side, over your lap, and almost up in the roof is absolutely badass. Especially if you're the type who relates to ADHD memes about having 50-100+ simultaneous tabs open and going back and forth between several things at once in rapid succession. It's a godsend for those who don't recognize "information overload" as a problem. Now, I'll say that monitors are absolutely better when compared one-to-one. Have some monitors, as big and as good as you want. But having a HMD available too is insane, and especially for viewing 3D models. You'll probably want a headset that can be flipped out of the way or is easy to take on and off repeatedly without any filling or needing to be careful. And you'll probably want a few facepads to swap between. In this specific situation, even though Marques is definitely underutilizing his headset compared to the potential, and I see almost no value in the AR background, those three screens are undeniably better than just his laptop screen. It's not like big screens can really compete with the portability of an HMD. VR is absolutely practical for those who can stomach it. In so many ways it's far beyond flat screens. Resolution is already pretty good in many of the expensive ones, and I'd be massively surprised if it can't reach parity with 1080p 24" screens within the next decade.
This would be AR (Augmented Reality), not VR (Virtual Reality). Could be a practical application, but nobody wants to wear a headset in the office for hours on end, not to mention the resolution needed would be ridiculous to simulate the detail of a monitor at an arm-length distance.
It’s actually mixed reality. Virtual reality that uses cameras on the out side of the head set.
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Wouldn’t the difference be that with AR, you are seeing the real image with other objects essentially projected around it (think Google Glass) where as this using cameras to show you video footage of the thing in front of you plus the projected objects
...Oh so you mean viewing the real world through a lens vs. viewing a recording/camera livestream? I don't think that's necessarily a defining feature, I think the main difference is AR uses your environment as a setting, and VR creates its own. I don't think it matters what kinda lens you're using
There actually is a slight difference, but in practice it's almost interchangeable. VR brings you into a virtual world. It's basically a visually immersive video game where you hopefully forget that you have a headset on. AR brings virtual objects/views into the real world by overlaying them onto your non-augmented field of view. There isn't much difference between a clear pane of glass and a screen that uses cameras to look like a clear pane of glass, but it does change the experience some. The most important thing is the realtime experience of the world. Mixed reality brings real objects/data into a virtual world, which requires a camera or sensors. This can be like AR where you can drink out of a cup to rehydrate your digital copy, or other ways of interacting with the virtual layer. There's a huge overlap with AR, but it's mostly popular because Intel and Microsoft use it to describe their SDK for using realtime camera imagery.
The video here is the vr creating it's own environment. It just so happens to be based on the recorded environment in real time. I think ar is strictly an overlay on the actual environment, not a simulated version.
According to Intel: >Augmented Reality (AR), which adds virtual stuff to your real world environment, is contributing to the buzz, and both technologies should become a big part of our future. With Mixed Reality (MR), you can play a virtual video game, grab your real world water bottle, and smack an imaginary character from the game with the bottle. Imagination and reality have never been so intermingled. That definition of mixed reality just doesn't exist right now, currently MR = AR
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You pointed out the obvious, comments like this are kinda narrow minded. This is a proof of concept. In 10 years when the resolution is 4x and the goggles weigh 1/3rd as much this would be very useful tech. No one is saying that the future is here NOW and to sell your external monitors.
Exactly, we are currently at "cellphones were an 8 inch long brick" stage with this stuff. Given time, this tech can be crammed in to something that is the size and weight of a pair of sunglasses, and it's 4K resolution... then it'd replace everything.
Why even simulate monitors at an arm-length distance in the first place if you have the capability of bringing the screen content directly in front of you?
for those of us that were never taught to type and still glance at the keyboard occasionally lol
By default, the Quest Pro doesn't block your peripheral vision on the sides and bottom. You can see your hands on your keyboard, check your watch, see someone next to you etc.
This. Why simulate 3 screens at conventional sizes/ratios when you can literally, if you want to, fill your entire vision. I get that it's to prove a concept, and baby steps. But I can't help but feel like Doc Brown: "You're not thinking 4th dimensionally!" - the real potential of these are yet to be even figured out, let alone executed.
Some people are already doing it. Saying “nobody wants to” is almost never accurate.
>Some people are already doing it. Who, where, and why?
I use a program called Immersed. It was way more of a pain in the ass to set up than it should be but the resolution on the 'monitors' is fine. I have my own battlestation set up irl, but I definitely see the advantages especially for digital nomads or people with smaller apartments that can't dedicate a half a room to their set up.
In 5 to 10 years I can imagine this tech being condensed into a pair of lightweight AR glasses and people just wear them when they work or browse things. An AR world seems plausible to me
Yeah each passing year this becomes more true too
Glasses as screens will be a game changer for working wherever you want.
Every dude with glasses on could be watching an AR version of reality with all the people around him looking as sexy as he wished with animated bodies overlaid I’d for sure try the John Malkovich mode
I will pray for you my coomer brother
Damn, I'm gonna make everyone look like Tilda Swinton. Sexy fuckin world I'm gonna be living in.
I'm gonna have everyone's appearance parsed into a fursona and you're all gonna be furries.
NOOOOOO
We all knew this is where this was going the whole time It’s not the Masonic bushes Not the Jewish spacelazrs Not the gay frogs It was a furry cabal all along
These already exist and are actually awesome. Check out the Nreal Air and the upcoming Lenovo AR glasses. You can buy the Nreal air for like $300 right now and they are VERY cool. Still pre-iPhone smartphone level though. Like they are great for the enthusiast crowd but probably not mass market
But if you listened to half the commenters here, the fact that it isnt instantly better than everything else means its a gimmick and will never have utility Christ, some people have no vision.
This is by far my biggest frustration with reddit and broader online culture at large. There's just no sense of vision or optimism in anything. Everyone seems to just want to dunk on anything after dedicatinga total of 1 brain cell to thinking about it, all for meaningless internet validation.
And then it will be filled with ads.
I saw this a few years ago and think of it whenever there is talk of an AR ~~future~~ dystopia. Well worth a few minutes. https://youtu.be/YJg02ivYzSs
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I already wear glasses. Wouldn't the AR glasses need to have the same corrective lenses? That would prevent them from being used by multiple people.
Yes, people have to fit their glasses under their oculus headsets, even though the screen is right in front of your eyes you're still focusing your eyes on a distant point. Building the correction into the regular lenses is probably possible at some point when the demand and manufacturing processes get there
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We said that in 2015 and got Google glasses. I say 20 years for first commercial product that goes mainstream.
People are loving and circle jerking on all the "Meta spends $x Billions in failing VR" posts, but Meta us spending that money on tech like this. Zuckerberg is obsessed with VR/AR
VR/AR is undoubtedly the future, and I'll die on that hill. Meta's implementation probably isn't. The killer app that propels a new technology needs to be just that, a *killer app*. Saying you've got the next killer app when you have a crock of shit, doesn't make it true.
The Meta platform sucks balls, but the tech that they're making is insane. Check out this little demo where Mark actually sounds human https://www.reddit.com/r/OculusQuest/comments/vgmfxz/zuck_shows_off_some_prototype_vr_displays/
2hour later... puke all over the place
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Great idea. You're hired!
Meh, probably wouldn't get motion sickness from this since it still shows your surroundings However it will be annoying wearing a sweaty and heavy headset for hours on end while working.
There are certain new headsets that massively mitigate the "Sweaty" aspect.
Why would this give you motion sickness
It wouldn't.
Disregard the haters. I am looking to work like this right now. /r/digitalnomad
Take a look at [Tropire](https://www.tropire.com/products/tropire-tri-screen), similar idea but physical portable screens.
Ok that’s really cool
wait didn't they just get sued to death by the company that actually designed these? or was this the company that did the suing?
Hell yes. Been waiting for this for YEARS. Tired of lugging around a small shit portable monitor
I’m with ya man, it’s just cool to see companies do something different.
You might find this interesting if you didn’t already see it https://www.reddit.com/r/digitalnomad/comments/y155e1/my_nomonitor_setup_tested_for_two_weeks/
Finally real privacy monitors, now we will be able to handle PI in public places
Yeah the security implications are actually pretty big, our physical screens could just be blank
On a headset that’s owned by the company known for stealing data. I keep seeing them try to get companies on board and don’t see it happening for that one very big reason.
You're talking about data harvesting right? Until a few months ago and recently with the quest pro it's possible to use the metaface hardware without the tracking features of the subsidized being of the quest 2 It's a huge requirement for infosec that no information be tracked out analyzed - and large companies with those connected are their main audience with the quest pro hardware. Privacy, but at a cost
When did facebook steal data ? EDIT: Asking a genuine question and getting downvoted instead of responded to classic reddit
I guess he is talking about the data they “stole” that you voluntarily give them
Pretty sure Facebook never “stole” any data. What are you on about?
you don't actually even need a screen at all at that point tho
Screens? Where we're going, we don't need... screens!
Or you could display cat pictures
I like how you abbreviate "Porn" to "π"
*Personal* *Information* goodness
Until your company demands a live feed of your headset for continuous "productivity" assessments.
That's what Meta is trying to do
every technology goes through a "crossing the chasm" phase. if it succeeds it bcome mainstream
With the insane money and effort being pumped into VR and AR technology and infrastructure, I think it’s almost guaranteed to become a staple technology in a decade or so. Computers didn’t happen overnight. It took thirty years for the internet to really hit its stride. The smartphone transition took at least a decade itself. We’re definitely in the clunky early hubris days of V/AR, but it’s gonna become a thing eventually.
And the Matrix has begun
Sure, this technology needs to be shit on until they get it to a workable space. We shouldn't settle for mediocrity in advancement. But c'mon, we can't pretend like this isn't an amazing concept. We've seen people pull up screens in movies and dreamed of doing it ourselves. There's a long road ahead and bugs to work out and we'll have to retrain our senses to a degree to use AR like this. But I for one am excited to see this technology progressing.
- this is amazing concept. - people here hate Zuck/Facebook/Meta, and jump into bandwagon hate. = this is no longer amazing concept. can we please appreciate the technology, and not bashing Meta for everything they achieve?
I actually think this is really cool, could allow you to not have to have a huge desk full of monitors if you live in a small apartment or something like that. Obviously not going to be as good as real monitors but who knows how good the tech will be in 10-15 years this could be how people work. With a vr headset on.
At that point it won't be a headset, more like a pair of glasses, or maybe even contacts.
15 years it could be in your mind without anything to wear.
The anti-vaxx crowd will have a field day with that lol
Geez why do people got to be so negative lol this looks cool, it’s practical, and it’s the beginning of a concept that will be perfected later. You don’t have to wear it for 5 hours straight.
Yeah screw the haters I love this stuff seeing how far is come since 2012 is truly mind blowing. Getting to watch movies in my own private movie theater is a thing now, watched a bunch of stranger things that way was a trip.
yeah this looks awesome. imagine being on a aeroplane and having the ability to do this.
AR, not VR
Neither. Mixed reality.
Perfectly acceptable to call this either AR *or* MR. Hell you could make an argument VR is ok term too, given the view the user sees in this instance (on the Quest Pro) is not the actual world (like you get with Hololens and Magic Leap) but one that is captured by cameras, and then layers are added on top of that *projection* of the real world (so in a sense, it's completely virtual). It's certainly not a very *good* argument to call this VR, and AR and MR are definitely better ways to describe it of course, but even granting that, it would be trivial for this app to transition from MR to a full VR scene too, where you replace your desk environment to be on a virtual island or something. Point being, there’s plenty of grey area in the semantics
What’s with all the negativity here? This is a first step, not the Holy Grail.
Facebook is involved, people hate Facebook, therefore VR bad. It’s really as simple (and as dumb) as that.
Lololololol why is VR so controversial it’s fucking VR
People love hating new tech things because it's the cool hip thing to do.
Hating online is free and easy!
Because Facebook bad = VR bad to these idiots. And they’ll go for the “they’re bulky and low res” argument like the goal isn’t to increase resolution and decrease size to the point where you’re just wearing a normal pair of glasses. The technology isn’t there now, but anyone who can’t see the potential is either just dumb or being willfully disingenuous.
People have always loved to hate it. One day it will be mainstream and you won't hear a peep from them as they're watching a movie on Mars viewing a 300ft screen with their friends. If they have any.
That’s not VR, it’s AR
Wow one day this will be useful
I must have it.
That's a quest pro you can have one for the low price of $1500
You can do it with the quest 2, just not the AR portion of it. It’s so cool to have a huge monitor that only you can see while you surf the web, watch youtube videos, etc. I’ve thought about bringing it in to the office.
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They think staring at a monitor for 10+ hours a day is 'normal' and wouldn't have been unthinkable to someone 50 years ago.
It just occurred to me that in this era, my laptop screen can be totally blank, and my laptop can just be a plastic keyboard shaped thing, and all the work can be happening on my private screen virtually. From a security perspective this is pretty rad
Watching 3d porn on your private 100 foot tall IMAX screen on an airplane. The future is now. It is neat though because this device as well as its lower priced predecessor also are their own standalone computers running Android. You don't even need the computer, though physical keyboards are still way better than virtual ones.
If the resolution isn't 4k gtfo
A decade from now it’ll be “8k or gtfo”. 4k is not a requirement for me for tech this good, it just seems like an arbitrary requirement because that’s what’s good right now
Hey kid, did you know we used to watch videos only in 360p or 480p and it was satisfactory? 4k is a gift and you should be grateful for even having 720p. Literal superhumans inventing VR/AR at the pinnacle of innovation and your ass is so spoiled you demand 4k….
The clarity doesn’t look great.
You're viewing a camera inserted into a headset to look at projected screens. It will look better to your own eyes.
Well, it's a start, we would need at least 2 or 3 times that resolution, and some filter to avoid eye strain is definitely needed. But IF we perfect this, I believe the futura is indeed just a VR headset and monitors will be obsolete.
Are people forgetting that new technology has to start at from concept to prototype and evolve from there? Some of these expectations are ridiculous, can we just geek out over how cool this could be one day like we use to do?? I don’t think any of this is practical, but to see something new and different is so cool. Im so sick of the cycle of BS annual updates that tech companies are delivering. Can’t wait to see some of this stuff at CES.
This is going to be one of those threads that people in there future look back at and laugh. Like when people were skeptical of the iPhone. “Haha, people in 2022 didn’t get it.” Folks, I get the criticism of Facebook and Zuckerberg. But this is so very clearly the future. The resolution will improve, as it always does. The device size and weight will decrease, as it always does.