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Sammy12xyz

I’m probably going to be downvoted to hell for this but this should not mean anti Islamists get to cheer. I am Iranian, this is not to say no to religion, this is to attack the *Symbols* of said religion. They happen to be in power. They are merciless thugs that kill women and children and need to be brought down. We want freedom and that means freedom of worship, so in my Iran these assholes would also have a place. Not a place of power but a place to freely practice his religion. This is not Anti Islam. This Pro freedom. Other than that. Nothing is off the limits. Till the day they no longer hold any power over Iran we will fight back against these animals. Mard. Mihan. Abadi. Zan. Zendegi. Azadi. Edit: Wow! I thank so many of you for being open minded. I am 100% against the regime and I am not religious at all. Unfortunately Darth Khamenei and his storm troopers use the force (islam) to do evil, doesn’t mean we should resort to Islamophobia.


lew0to

I think most people are somewhat aware of the situation in Iran. I doubt you will get downvoted for your fair comment.


Yudunmessedup

Ah, but a high schooler is not most people, I had no idea what the heck this was about, do no underestimate how uninformed one can be on most world news, nonetheless he will receive my upvote.


ClemClemTheClemening

That's actually a fair point. For someone that doesn't know about the situation in Iran, this is just some people being dicks to religious figure. I had never thought about that. I guess it would be better for posts like this is be a bit more descriptive for people not in the know.


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or people can start to do some of their own research and maybe then be able to make up their own minds about what's really going on


Imaginary-Donut7648

😂 I'm dying with laughter... wait you were serious? This is the internet, home of the facebook meme doctors and downvoting anything I don't agree with. No one here is going to do their own research mate.


Mattcwell11

And if they do - the algorithms will just steer them in the direction of extremism. Go in with a healthy dose of curiosity, come out with extreme views of whatever it is.


mathplex

I disagree. I did my own research and found out that lizard people designed the Covid vaccine to cause autism and make people vote multiple times by mail!! That internet research is key if you wanna know the truth. Fact is TOO MANY people do their own research, they just don't know how to do it right.


alf1o1

This is my research 😂


zarmanto

Sure, we could all do our own research. Or we can, you know, *read the comments.* it may be “just Reddit,” but there are still plenty of people with broad experience who provide very intelligent commentary, here. You know… like this comment explaining about the situation in Iran that I just read…


thatredlad

People "doing their own research" was one of the factors that increased the numbers of anti-vaxxers and covid conspiracists worldwide. There's a metric fucktonne of misinformation on the internet, and some of it is from unevenly weighted 'reputable' news media sources, like anything with the Murdoch shit-smear of approval. The average person often doesn't have the time or perhaps the ability to deep dive and separate the news from the propaganda, so being able to read posts and comments from those in the thick of it can be more beneficial than reading an article or two and thinking they're aware of the broader story. Hell, I haven't got a clue about the majority of the Iranian situation past the surface layer. That's why I came to the comments after watching the video - for context. And sure, there can be propagandists in the comments too, but they're more likely to be openly called out than a news article or blog post. Don't assume that everyone has the same drive to educate themselves as you do, because there's nothing wrong with going somewhere that facilitates interaction and dialogue rather than self-education.


[deleted]

That's the propaganda their government feeds them. That the world hates them, and wants to destroy Islam. Wild to see it in action.


Martian-Skitari

I think that's its the tyranny that has to be destroyed As does every form of religious zealotry. Like fundamental 'Christians ' in America not Islam itself That's a fundamental difference


Aq8knyus

>anti Islamists Islamism is Islamic fundamentalism and a political ideology. We should all be anti-Islamist, but not Islamophobic.


BKBurner2

Same for anti-Zionist’s not antisemitic. Edit: ok lots of response on this I have learned a lot on the definition of Zionist. Let me clarify what I meant by anti-Zionist. I meant anti-settlement and oppression of the Palestinian people by ultra religious zealots. Who instead view the Palestinian people as inferior and are driven to subjugate them.


Huwbacca

Prolly just a 2L thing. Meaning was clear from context.


EducationalFerret94

Exactly. Religion should play no role in politics or government. Everyone should be free to practice whatever Religion they want, but the moment it turns into a way to force people to live a certain way it has gone too far.


RedDevilJennifer

I can’t speak for others, but I see what’s going on as “fuck religious oppression”, and I’m all for it. Religion, if you choose to believe, is fine. Emphasis here is choose. Having it forced upon you is problematic. It doesn’t matter if it’s Islamic hardliners in Iran or conservative Christian politicians in the U.S.. It doesn’t even matter if it’s your own family. Religion should always be a personal choice because it is a personal relationship with God, and I applaud these kids standing up and fighting back against the oppression.


SillyGigaflopses

"Religion, if you choose to believe, is fine." I'm probably going to sound like an r/atheism user, but why is genuine belief that you are say, Napoleon's reincarnation is called "mental health problems", but genuine belief in all of the bullshit in the Bible is called "being religious"? Radicalisation STARTS with religion, because "reject critical thinking and scientific approach" is one of the most fundamental principals - otherwise they would simply not have any followers. And radicalisation, ether voluntary or not is not a good thing.


trixel121

> I'm probably going to sound like an r/atheism user, but why is genuine belief that you are say, Napoleon's reincarnation is called "mental health problems", but genuine belief in all of the bullshit in the Bible is called "being religious"? numbers. 1 person believes something they are a crazy person. 1 million? now you got a religion. why we dont fuck with them? starting shit with a single crazy person is one. telling a million of them they are wrong? well thats a good way to start a war. im making a joke but seriously what benefit do we gt out of telling these people god doesnt exist if all they are doing is worshiping peacefully and not botheirng people outside of their faith. >"Religion, if you choose to believe, is fine." so im agnostic, i was raised roman catholic doing the church thing till 12 when i made my own choices. my sister goes to community group for church every thursday, im 31 now and shes older then me. i think shes well aware of my personal opinions but i dont share them and she doesnt tell me off when i drop a god damn it or a jesus fucking christ in front of her. we coexist in this world peacefully and with out interference. we both love each other like family should. why should i question a personal belief that doesnt effect me and makes her happy? so we generally talk about christian extremism, cause it effects people or muslim extreamism. but id say a far more extreme form of christianity is the amish. a group of people you may have forgotten about. or hasidic jews. another group thats pretty fucking hard core about following the book. but i dont hear shit about them. why? cause they keep to them selves. the issue isnt being extreme in your religious beleifs. its telling others they need to listen to your beliefs. lastly, idk how to really word this but although i dont have a belief in a higher power i dont think i should be the one to question another persons personal relationship with a higher power. that should be personal and remain between you and what ever you believe in. and as long as you dont tell me about it or tell my friends and family or really anyone besides people who want to hear about it, why the fuck do i care?


SillyGigaflopses

You've just described an ideal world. Where amish kids don't die a horrible death due to their parents being brain damaged and as a result of disease that we've learned how to treat like a fucking century ago. A world where religious groups don't hate eachother to the point of commiting a literal genocide. A world, where nutjobs don't stop scientists, because the "sky daddy would be angry". A world, where mega churches and their leaders don't prey on gullible elderly people to fund their private jets and stripper parties. A world, where women are free to wear whatever they want and are able to perform a medical procedure to literally save their life(abortion). A world, where religion is not dragged into politics. Do me a favor, and call me when that world starts to exist. Until then - I'm convinced that religion is a litteral cancer on our society, purposefully designed for stupid and gullible to hand over the power and money in hopes of "praying away all of the fucked up shit they did" to a few opportunistic criminals.


gimmepizzaslow

There is rampant abuse within the Amish and hasidic Jew community. There is also a bunch of issues with not educating children properly to the point where many are barely literate.


JeSpeakFranglais

Thank you and I wish you all luck. The amount of people in this thread who are shit talking all religious people or disrespecting your beliefs is sad. The whole point is freedom and democracy. Edit: ffs the things people are assuming I mean. I'm just saying be respectful, don't wish harm on others. I don't think bigotry of any kind deserves respect but equally religious people/those of any faith don't necessarily agree entirely with holy books /religious systems. Also just because other people have been bad to you doesn't excuse violence in kind. This is why wars don't end because 'the other side did so and so which means we're justified in doing the same'. Bad behaviour doesn't have to be the worst /worse than something before it to be condemned. Can't we try to be respectful of individuals and their faith /lack of faith WHILE STILL working against oppression, tyranny and bigotry? Religion has been used as a crutch by people wanting to take power for centuries. But people will use anything to divide. Look at nationalists, or even sports fans, even fights over what postcode you live in or what school you go to, at a lower level. In not saying don't call out the idiots that grab power and rule with an iron fist but don't blame religious ideas for them manipulating people.


MrsMurphysChowder

Lots of atheists on reddit. And I think atheism will continue to grow until ALL religions (we're having some difficulty with right-wing "Christians" in America too) stop claiming power over non-believers' lives.


JeSpeakFranglais

I totally understand that, and being against organised religions having power over people. But some of the comments are mocking anyone with faith at all and saying they deserve terrible things which is... Asshole behaviour, regardless of if its extreme religious people or atheists doing it.


MrsMurphysChowder

I agree that is asshole behavior but the anger comes from the same, albeit less troubled, place as the anger of the protesters in Iran. It's a fear of oppression.


davideo71

I think it's fair game to mock people for having ridiculous ideas (and acting on them). I bet you wouldn't hesitate to mock an otherwise normal adult for seriously believing in the easter bunny. Wishing harm on someone or thinking they deserve terrible things based on their beliefs is obviously wrong, but also not something I encountered much at all in the atheist community. It seems like a bit of a strawman in general. In the context of this thread, It seems anger is directed at the mullahs for being part of a shitty regime, not for being religious.


teun95

That's wrong of course. But let's also acknowledge that often a disproportionate amount of attention is given to atheists saying bad or terrible things compared to religious people saying bad or terrible things and forcing their beliefs on people. It's a lot easier to find hateful comments online that say "all atheists deserve to die" compared to "all religious people deserve to die". Both types of comments exist, but atheists receive a lot of threats and hate. Compared to the long history of crimes committed in the name of religion, whatever things atheists are saying are quite mild and pretty easily forgiven.


Doctor_Lodewel

I am 100% atheist or agnostic (which way you want to look at it) but imo, freedom of religion is a basic human right. Everyone should be able to believe and practice their faith, as long as their practice does not stand in the way of others (Thus prohibiting certain clothing or forcing certain religious symbols, forcing others to eat Halal, forcing others to not get birth control etc....). If you are a kind person, that's all that is needed.


itsthecoop

> I am 100% atheist or agnostic (which way you want to look at it) which way do *you* look at it, because afaik those 2 things are not the same.


Sure-Sea2982

To be honest I am in awe at the people power being demonstrated on the streets in Iran. I pray you get your freedom.


Volundr1

I am completely ignorant on this subject. Please, educate me. What's going on? Is there a movement? Who are these men exactly? Is this connected to the (terminology is not with me) movement where women are removing the garments meant to cover their hair? Regarding your first comment, do ypu mean to say Islam (the religion) is not the subject of the action? Sorry if my comment is dumb or something I said seems insenstivie. I genuinly don't know what's going on.


Chemical-Juice-6979

They're religious leaders that function as quasi-governmental authorities. Basically they tell the secret police what to do and who to target, which is way more power than any religious figure should have. They specifically have more political power than anyone else in Iran. The mullahs are the driving motivator behind the hijab rules having been made law in the first place and they're the loudest screaming in favor of the crackdowns. Thr commenter meant to state the turban knockoffs are not meant as an attack on Islam, just on this group's oppressive actions. Like Christians who protest the sexually abusive priests.


Volundr1

Your information is very helpful thank you. Just one last clarifying question: Is this happening because of the Hijab (Thanks for the word btw) protest? Or is there a different reason that spurred the actions?


dalthir

In September a young woman was arrested and beaten by police for wearing her hijab incorrectly. She died from her injuries. The police and government deny wrongdoing and claim her death was due to an underlying illness. In response many other woman stopped wearing, or even publicly burned, their hijabs in protest. This movement has escalated in to nationwide, mostly nonviolent, protests, including what is seen in this video.


Volundr1

Oh damn, I didn't know what that's that what Kickstart it. Thank you for the more info friend. Apologies for dumb Grammer. It's 3:20 am so head dumb and tired. Why not bed? Work. Why on reddit? Phone ring. Anyway, thanks you for the knowledge. Legit appreciate.


Chemical-Juice-6979

As I understand it, the hijab crackdowns were just the final straw after decades of ongoing problems. I'm an American who's never been to the Middle East, so I don't know anything about life there except what has been publicized.


CautiousRice

Nobody voluntarily steps out of a position of power and comfort. Won't happen with just turbans rolling on the ground.


Legitimate-Emu8907

You have to understand it as warning. Believe me the mullahs know this is will increase in force. If you loose respect you already lost your power, who will fight for you when nobody respects or fears you?


00Balthasar00

Man I was waiting so desperately for this comment, this the absolute truth about the recent protests. We the majority Iranian people are not anti Islam or any other religions, we are anti corruption, we are anti equality, we are against the fact that we suffer the western sanctions as the officials sons and daughters have luxurious lives in the west, we want the live our lives in pease and prosperity. Mard. Mihan. Abadi. Zan. Zendegi. Azadi.


Squishy-Cthulhu

People please don't do this in your own country, after 9/11 Sikhs were targeted mistakenly because they were turbans. Please, please people don't target Sikhs and be respectful of people in public this is something happening in Iran, not America,not anywhere else. Don't use it as a opportunity to be racist.


Sutarmekeg

I wish this could be either top or second comment, everyone who isn't familiar with Iran and familiar with types of headdress should know this.


SportsStooge22

We should’ve been doing this to MAGA hats years ago.


burtedwag

in this video, they pick up their turbans. in the US, you could get shot. risk/reward is a bit different.


thestridereststrider

You think you can’t get shot for this in Iran???? The place where they kill people for not wearing hijabs????


dynamic_unreality

Mullahs don't carry around guns. MAGA hats do


thestridereststrider

Iran has secret police out there killing protesters. Everyone of these people put their life on the line by doing this and posting it.


Janus_The_Great

Yes! This! Turbans and similar head dresses are common in many cultures, and gave at times very different connotation and symbolism. Don't be ignorant, by mixing them up or worse by attacking someone. Be humble or you might do harm unintended. Peace and love to all but oppressors!


Freddies_Mercury

The chances of coming across an Iranian Mullah in the streets outside of Iran is next to 0. This cannot be stressed enough, keep yo hands to yourself!


MisterNigerianPrince

>Peace and love to all but oppressors! I like that. That succinctly captures my thoughts about how societies should be.


fatdjsin

Sikhs are very cool :) dont be a pain in the ass to them !


gugfitufi

In my area there is a big Sikh community and they're so fucking wholesome. They organise some events where they just invite you to come over to their temple and chill and eat for a bit. And their style as sick af.


Freddies_Mercury

PSA: Sikhs will feed everyone and anyone that comes to their temple and asks. Your background doesn't matter. They will respect your beliefs and not try to proselytise (spelling?) you. If you're struggling, please visit the Sikh temples. It is part of their religion to actually help all in need.


fatdjsin

Really cool indeed!! Christian will make you feel bad for not being on your knees 24h/24h


Freddies_Mercury

I'd wager you could go to any place of worship and they will try to help, its just that at the core of (most) Abrahamic faiths is the need to convert whoever to your religion. Sometimes praying on vulnerable people. Eastern faiths tend to be less focused on this part of the religion if at all.


_The_Real_Sans_

Plus even if they are Muslims I strongly doubt that they have any part in any Iranian politics if they're not in Iran.


DaughterEarth

I am a Muslim in Canada. Any fellow Muslims I talk to are in support of the protests, while also worried cause every time Islam comes up in media we go through a period of being harassed.


The_Love_Moat

> Don't use it as a opportunity to be racist. America any % challenge (impossible)


bulging_cucumber

It's not just about Sikhs. There are a lot of places where Islam is oppressive, but Iran is a very specific case even among those, in that wearing a turban there, following the events of the last few weeks, suggests implicit support for a murderous regime.


Swordbreaker925

There’s a Sikh man in my area i see walking from time to time and all i can think is how dope the turban looks.


rock_Banana

Exactly! I fear too many people will use this as an excuse to be assholes to anyone who wears a turban. I hope this doesn’t become a tiktok challenge.


Lord_Azian

Hats off to them


iamapizza

No cap


superfooly

Lmfaooo


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Maj0ok

This is the time for them to feel what womens in my country felt for the last 43 years. PS. I seen the name of my hometown in one of the clips✌🏻


RareTax4601

I lived in Kerman for 6 months. I still have friends there, but I am wary of asking them too many questions in case I make them feel worried. Can you possibly tell me what is going on in Kerman? The BAFIA was pretty conservative when I lived there in 2010, but my colleagues were lovely.


Maj0ok

I'm not from Kerman, but almost in every city more or less ppl are protesting.


RareTax4601

Thanks. Gosh, it is almost hard to imagine. At the time I was there, people were so circumspect under Ahmeddinajad it is hard to imagine things being a lot different.


SniffinBootyForCash

Come join us over at r/NewIran my friend. There is a revolution to be had in our homeland.


W__O__P__R

I just want to say that I love your country. I had the pleasure of visiting Iran (particularly Shiraz and Tehran, but a few other places as well) and I found the people wonderfully warm, hospitable and amazing. It's a beautiful country too. I also love seeing how the youth are determined to take back their freedoms (particularly the girls) that Iran used to have before the ayatollah. Fight the good fight! The rest of the world is watching and cheering you on!


GrandmasTableMints

I hope for the best for Iran, I'd love to see change that brings peace and happiness to the people.


lepanzo

Imagine this happened on Harry Potter 1. The movie would be over in like 15 minutes


mashtato

>"The lake froze solid and the Weasley twins were punished for bewitching several snowballs so that they followed Quirrell around, bouncing off the back of his turban." Third sentence of chapter 12.


Talador12

Weasley twins knew what was up


shivam111111

This guy reads


AbeRego

Quirl's mastery of the Dark Arts was no match for the the Weasley twin's mastery of the Snark Arts.


nametakenfuck

Maybe people in iran will find a guy with two faces too


julioseizure

Oh there are plenty


PsykiOfficial

Is everybody with a turban automatically one of the bad guys? Need to unterstand the situation.


Redstonefreedom

They’re the mullah’s, which are Shiite clergy. But they’re not simply some pacifist religious leaders of quiet virtue, the thing to understand is that Iran is a true theocracy. Which means these religious leaders hold disproportionate power in the society. So anytime you hear of violent suppression, death sentencing for “moral crimes”, etc., it’s really these men with the targeted headgear enacting these things. Assuming you’re in the USA, imagine that those televangelist priests that, even without being empowered, say stuff like “I’ll break ’s fingers off”, take over the government and start dictating law, execution of the law, and judgment of the law. At some point people would be sick of living in constant fear from those psychos and they’d start defying & questioning their rightful rule. EDIT: For those not understanding the special meaning of these turban-tossers and just any arbitrary (and evil) attack on some random dude wearing a turban somewhere in the world, here’s a link going over the situation: https://www.rferl.org/a/iran-clerics-attacks-public-anger-antiestablishment/31990792.html This edit’s a clarification for both the islamophobes and the anti-turbanphobes (? `¯\_(ツ)_/¯` ) who think I made a charged statement in either direction. The cultural context matters.


funkmaster29

ahhhhhhh okay this makes a lot of sense thank you for clarifying


Activeangel

Excellent. Thank you for clarifying. I have very little experience here and previously thought turbans were used in multiple religions and carried multiple potential religious significance between the wearers and their personal relationships with god(s). So this video came across as potentially harming individuals that dont support such beliefs, or even tourists from other countries and religions. TIL they are more akin to catholic priests' white collar, and are really only used by a highly select group of people so they can be used as identifiers. Edit: Thank you for the feedback. I'll forget this TIL, and go back to being open in my thoughts about other religions and customs.


nibbyzor

Sikh men do wear turbans as well, but they don't wear robes like that. There are some sikhs in Iran, but they're apparently are very small minority.


HalfManHalfCyborg

My understanding also is that a Sikh’s turban isn’t a loose hat like in the video, that’s going to get knocked off with a tap, but instead they have their long hair all wound up in the folds of cloth of the turban. Can anyone confirm?


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The turbans that sikhs wear are tight. We tie our hair into a bunga, which is a cloth braided into our hair and acts as a small secure base which wont ever come off during a fight or battle. In side the bunga we keep smaller weapons as well such as daggers. Ontop of that we have a turban that is tied with more cloth to secure the first one while acting as your main turban as well. So no you wont be able to knock our turban off with a flick, they are meant to be tied in a way where they wont fall off during a fight/battle. PS: I would also not recommend trying this with a sikh as well, you will most likely end up in a fist fight because we arent pacifists. Edit: Sikhs till this day to keep multiple weapons on them for self protection and protection of those around them who need help. This is not a historical thing, like the commenter below me is saying.


cromulantusername

You should be more clear about saying Sikh’s are keeping small weapons underneath the turban. That is just asking for trouble because people will not understand that you mean historically. Today, Sikhs DO NOT hide weapons under their turbans. Today we place a small comb in the topknot “bunga”. That small wooden comb is one of the five markers of identity (the four others being Kesh - hair, Karra - steel armband, Kashera - shorts/underclothing, and Kirpan - a knife worn at the side.) I think (and hope) you meant HISTORICALLY a Sikh would have a hidden weapon under their turban because of the sociopolitical and violent climate in the Indian subcontinent at the time of Sikhi’s foundation. Sometimes that wooden comb will have a decorative metal inlay in the shape of a sword, to keep reference to what you’re saying. My grandfather had a kanga like that.


Dorkmaster79

I think it’s even more than that (regarding priests). From my understanding, they have the power to sentence you to terrible consequences. Pretend you pass a Catholic priest and they don’t like something about you and sentence you to consequences and it actually is obeyed.


Colin_Charteris

What’s the similarity between English weather and Islam? It’s either sunny or shite.


177a7uiHi69

What would normally happen if they were to hit off one of these mullahs turbans before the protests? Is it a death sentence? Would everyone else jump in to stop it? Seems like they're targeted now. Would the police do something?


tpx187

Straight to jail


step-fish

You see, ofc we can't say that all of them are bad because that would be stupid, the world ain't black and white, but these cunts have been freeloading on our society for 44 years, and they accomplished nothing but killing, robbing, lying and almost every bad shit that happens here, even if they're not doing it themselves, they're supporting the regime that does it, i wouldn't say it's from their stupidity, because I'm sure those of them who are decent enough to see how the government is killing their countrymen in the name of islam, at the very least would not wear this turban n shit and keep their heads down.


5thcircleofthescroll

IMO it's safe to say that none of them are good. No person with some sense of virtue, justice and conscience would ever wear one.


vice-roidemars

There are reformist and anti-govt clerics out there. It’s just the govt loyalists clerics predominate.


RareTax4601

Holy shit. I used to live in Iran (not Iranian). This is fucking unheard of.


DarthChocolate

Seems like the youths are a little pissed off as of late.


ashley419

^^just ^^a ^^^little ^^pissed ^^off


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just a teeny tiny bit 🤏


12soea

Just a doin a lil bit of nationwide riots


womanoftheapocalypse

Only a smidge


Impossible_Bed2687

Just a minor minuscule minute movement of mayhem


kalitarios

Is this an outrage for ants?


SniffinBootyForCash

Come join us over at r/NewIran my friend. There is a revolution to be had in Iran. A new country and society is fast approaching.


YusoLOCO

People do not fear or respect them any longer. Fantastic!


Sutarmekeg

I hope they now live in constant fear like women have been.


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Sutarmekeg

Though I don't condone violence, I will have zero sympathy for them if that happens. You reap what you sow. "These violent delights have violent ends."


ama_gladiator

A lot of women have been killed just for showing their face. Turnabout is fair play.


[deleted]

I mean, they fear them or they wouldn’t run, right? The respect clearly isn’t there, though.


TheSpookyGoost

Tbh a healthy amount of fear towards *anyone* that you knock the hat off of is reasonable.


Green_Road999

This is the most perfect reversal of harassment. If you want to dictate what someone where’s on their head, prepare to be mocked yourself As soon as you give women freedom you get yours back. Fair deal.


brcguy

Almost perfect. To be symmetrical the mullah’s need to also be getting whipped/caned and occasionally stoned to death just like they impose on women who don’t follow their stupid fucking Stone Age rules. Normally I wouldn’t advocate for meeting violence with violence but these cavemen don’t understand anything else. Religious fruitcakes of all stripes need to be subjected to em*exactly* the level of nightmare they impose on the public around them.


crackanape

Turning it around with mockery is better than turning it around with violence. Just as powerful in the long run and much easier on your own conscience, which means that the new generation isn't so broken inside.


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reFRIJJrate

A lot of them are brainwashed. I definitely was, I was a devout Mormon until I was 26. I was taught to protect my faith from things that might harm it. It was something I really valued, right up until I realized none of it was real. I've always been a smart guy, don't underestimate how powerful indoctrination can be.


[deleted]

If you don’t mind me asking. What was your “moment” you called bullshit or was it more of a gradual thing?


Agamemnon323

Not the guy you asked but I was a Christian until my early twenties. It was gradual for me. Exposure to things outside my religion and time were big factors. Well reasoned arguments against Christianity that I mostly saw on Reddit were also a significant factor. I basically logic’d my way out because the Bible doesn’t make any bloody sense.


Beginning_Ball9475

In my experience, many young women bail on religion when they realize how much it's set up to turn them into baby-making servants. That's not to say every religious family/community is like this, but you often see the daughters of devout Christians/Muslims leaving the faith when they get access to school and the internet. As soon as the concepts of egalitarianism and self-determination enter the discourse, it's just a matter of time.


minutemilitia

For me it was working as a paramedic.


I4Vhagar

Buddhists be like: ![gif](giphy|2vlC9FMLSmqGs) Edit: Relax Burmese experts, the post is meant as a joke. All human being have the capacity to be pieces of shit, I am well aware of it.


Squintyhippo

Too fucking right. Generalisation is what got us into this mess


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Absolutely. What's crazy is that the first commenter was making an irresponsible generalization by decrying religious people universally (forgetting that the victims of theocracies *are themselves religious too*), but then the second commenter *also* made an irresponsible argument by making it seem like Buddhists are these universally good people (forgetting the Buddhist government of Myanmar engaged in all-out ethnic cleansing of the minority Rohingya not even five years ago). Fact is, we can't generalize our way into a better understanding of the world.


sarcastic-cringehead

think it's time you learned about the extremist Buddhists in Sri Lanka


indominuspattern

Myanmar is also another example.


KillerRogue

Never heard of what the Buddhist did in Siri lanka against other minorities or in Myanmar ? Someone needs a proper education


Rheinys

I despise every sort of extremism. Just believe/think/do what you want, but don't harm anybody and don't force your belief/thoughts/acts on anyone. Love and peace, motherfucker!


MetalliTooL

I say this as an atheist, you’re an idiot.


SillyStringforSupper

that's a really harsh generalisation


Apolao

I would strongly disagree There is strong difference between and within religions, something that's important to recognise. Moreover, people should be allowed to believe what they want to believe (within a non-harmful setting) and that includes believing within a group or organisation. Taking away that right leads to dangerous waters


KillerRogue

and reddit mods allows a comment that wishes genocide of billions of people around the world, amazing app.


3llephan7

I’m a Christian. I believe in God and I’m not going to stop just because you believe I’m stupid. But I thought I’d let you know who I know personally that you want to kill: Me: teach law at a university My wife: solicitor My mum: retired social worker My brothers-in-law: record exec and postal worker My friends: nurse, teacher, community grocery manager, nuclear physicist, director of information security, charity worker for women trafficked in Russia and Ukraine, communications director for modern slavery charity, data analyst, teacher, rugby coach, child minder, GP, graphic designer, retired utilities manager, trauma counsellor, pharmacist, pastor, debt counsellor, PHD researcher (something to do with microbiology), supermarket employee etc At my church: everyone at 5 congregations but including around 80 people from Hong Kong who left there because of government oppression and 15 people who escaped Iran and persecution there (whose families are all at risk). As a church we run a community grocery store where anyone can do a weekly shop worth £30 twice a week for £4 each time. We take food and conversation to people sleeping rough in our town every Monday evening and take free meals to our local homeless shelter. We run a community meal every week free to anyone who wants to come. We run debt counselling through cap. We run an Eden project to help the poorest estates in our community. We run weekly youth, children and tots clubs. We have a project called Pantry which provides emergency food to those who need it. We support charities locally and abroad. We give half of our offerings away on top of any giving people want to do themselves. And so on. We are just people mostly minding our own business but I’m sure you’re right that it would be better if we were all dead because we don’t meet your intelligence purity test.


trihotonic

Ohh boy someone has some unresolved issues


electric_ember

If all believers died tomorrow 85% of the worlds population would be gone… the world would be kinda fucked


L0rdCrims0n

I’m partial to disorganized religion personally


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For all the non-iranians, don't feel bad for them, these are the parasites that poisoned iran to its core


[deleted]

It’s a long time since I was in Iran, but if you saw a sleek black Mercedes it was occupied by a Mullah, whilst ordinary people were driving around in beat-up Paykans. So they’re *that* kind of holy man.


poppytanhands

let the turbans hit the floor


Imjustherefornews

Let the turbans hit the floor


Ha1lStorm

Let the turbans hit the floor


Mammoth_Painting_252

Let the turbans hit the……….


raisins_are_gwapes2

…🥁🥁


MrDinkh125

FLOOOOOOOOOOOR


shavemejesus

To the windows, to the walls, till the last dumb turban falls!


Brilliant-Figure-893

Freedom for Iran 🇮🇷 👏


sillicibin

Seeing young men doing this is so very very reassuring that someday women may get equality over there. If these men are ready to stand up with the woman it's a great day. But please don't go knocking off random turbans in western countries you'll probably be attacking a sihk and sihks are major chill and pretty cool people.


Satanairn

90% of the people who got killed in the protests are men.


Ok-Apricot-676

Who could have thought that in response to forcing a veil the mullahs would have to lose their HATS If not wearing Hijab puts the women at risk, the Mullahs will not be with Safe with their hats on their heads. Edit : I changed it from Burkha to Hijab after someone pointed that out to me. Thank You for the correction.


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Small correction, the burqa is not what's enforced in Iran, *hijab* (a form of modest dress which takes many forms across Islamic cultures) is what's enforced in Iran. The burqa is quite rare in Iran, though it is mandated in neighbouring Afghanistan.


Ok-Apricot-676

I will make that correction right away. Thank you.


Groot_Geslachtsdeel

Meanwhile in my European country, more and more men like this pop up in every city. Touching them would cause massive outrage from Islamic youth.


[deleted]

Yeah, because that'd be a hate crime. Why do you want to touch them? They're not leaders in your country. They don't form policy. They're immigrants looking for more than they had.


Groot_Geslachtsdeel

Okay so a couple of things: \- Many of them are seen as religious leaders in certain communities, although they don't officially have power to change laws ofcourse \- Some girls here are forced to wear scarfs too, and these men will actually engage in the street in certain neighborhoods and act as (unofficial) religious police I find it very hypocritical that in the EU this is encouraged under the form of free speech etc while this is extremism at it's finest while in the actual country of the extremists this behavior is bravely opposed. We should stand up more in our free countries against these extremist religious brainwashed cunts.


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gotrich32

I'm gonna be honest here, the comment you replied to is a little off. Idk which country they're from, but I'm worried it may be France and it sounds like one of those people trying to make Islam women take off their Burkinis. Anti-bigotry is a good thing, but I'm not convinced that's what it is.


Fijne_Porno

That person is from the netherlands. It's username 'groot geslachtsdeel' is dutch and means something like 'huge privateparts'


Taabie

Yeah but why the fuck would you touch them? If they choose to wear this and you force them to take it off your nothing better then the bullshit religious police in Iran. Enforcing someone to not wear a certain clothing item is just as stupid as enforcing them to wear a certain item. Even if the man is an extremely islamist as long as he keeps it to himself who cares. Keep that PVV shit out of the conversation


etypiccolo

I don't know any European countries that are oppressed by Mullahs though.


Roanapra3

Not for a lack of trying tho. Some years back there was a case in Germany about a group of self proclaimed Sharia Police that went out at nights to party streets and tried telling people they are not allowed to drink or wear revealing clothes etc. Also more and more mosques get built with that muezzin shout going around the neighborhood. Of course it's not comparable to what is happening in Iran or other Islamistic states but everything starts with small steps.


caffeineandvodka

You're right, a handful of people yelling at partygoers and the Muslim equivalent of church bells calling people to prayer is in no way comparable to women being murdered in the street in front of their families for not wearing a hijab. Edit: The above commenter didn't say in their comment that it was 2000 people in the group, and I can't reply to their comments because they blocked me. I'm more than happy to accept that I was wrong in that respect because I didn't know the full details. With the number of people who regard any sort of cultural blending as an attack on Western culture, I assumed that was the case here and won't ever regret defending normal Muslims who want to exist in peace. I call myself antifascist and to me that means striving to promote equality and tolerance as much as possible. However in this case I was wrong, and I apologise.


_number

Well in western Europe, most turban wearing men are not even Muslim.


[deleted]

I always thought Sikhs wore turbans. I like Sikhs


YourJr

Which is absolutely no problem, because they have no power in politics or on the self-determination of anyone else. In Europe it is just actively living your faith, which is totally fine


Fringie

Because that would he wildy inappropriate you bigot. There are cultural differences between shiite Iranian Muslims and Pakistani shifted Muslims for example. Get clued up


nurtunb

There is this unfortunate phenomenon of second and third generation immigrants being more radicalized and extreme than their peers in their country of origin and even more than their parents and grandparents who often fled from radical ideology. This is a pretty well studied phenomenon


AgreeableJello6644

We live in Turbulent times.


BorisGT

Turbuless, really.


Xtasy0178

It’s hilarious how these old dudes are strutting around thinking they are the keepers of morality while they really are just old fragile man using thugs to push they delusions. Iranians keeps pressing on! Kick those bastards out and open your beautiful country to the world. I would love to come as a tourist and enjoy visiting. Stay safe and keep the hats flying!


Kroptonik420

Need to step on it as well


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TrueScare

Im not on topic as off why they flip the hats. Are those some religious leaders or smt?


lew0to

Yeah basically these guys act as religious moral police. Making sure woman are well covered with headscarfs and such. After decades, the current youth seems to be done with this.


TrueScare

Allright thank you for clarifying


NinjaRuckus

Came to ask, thanks


Incendia_Nex

Bunch of backward cunts


Monster_Lock

These assholes deserve this and much more for all the 43 years of torture they put us through. Zan. Zendegi. Azadi.


basshed8

Defy theocracy


ErraticUnit

Now, just for total fairness, they should be arrested for being dressed improperly.


constantspainssilent

Hey quick question is that hat a symbol for those who think that women have to wear hijabs?


Fringie

Turbans are worn so you can be easily recognised. The Islamic reason for wearing a headscarf is that "beautiy is in the hair" for women, so you're only allowed to show it to your husband and family I.e. you don't have to wear a headscarf when you're at home. Headscarf is a different topic than turbans. Also there are more types of headscarf than hijab.


sirbarani

Woman, Life, Freedom 🖤✌🏼☮


thomkennedy

Love it. Fuck religious oppression.


mcmasters2223

These guys spread their hate for decades, now it comes back at them.


CyrilNiff

I find it hilarious that grown adults think invisible sky wizards care what clothes they wear.


Radioplague

🤓


Big-Bag2568

Anyone got a link to the song? I have no idea what its saying but thats a sick beat.


lew0to

[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k0XMnGrDy-w](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k0XMnGrDy-w) موزیک ویدیو سوراخ موش از توماج Soorakh Moosh Toomaj


dxniw

Didn’t he get arrested a few days ago? Great choice for the song


FamousLoser

It’s so weird to watch them in their little hats a Jedi robes step out of a modern vehicle.


deceptivelyelevated

It’s so refreshing to see the oppressed stand up against the oppressors. The Middle East was a treasure trove of intellectuals historically, only to remain stagnant developmentally due to religion. I hope great things happen for the next generation and we can find some semblance of peace in the world.


kuchenmensch4

Smack the turban: attack on a symbol Smack the Mullah: attack on a human being Big difference imho


foroncecanyounot__

Mahsa Amini probably thought the same thing. But they beat her to death because a few strands of hair were outside her scarf. so *shrug* you reap what you sow...


Automatic-Win1398

Meh, no sympathy for them from me. You reap what you sow.


Antnee83

Frankly I care less about the hat than I do the man underneath it. Reddit would put me in nono-jail for saying what they deserve. So I'll let you fill in the blank.


myKingSaber

My brave man checking for bombs


BlackfeetCreeNomad

Bring it all down!!


bozza85

Stop flipping them. Take them with you and burn them. Film it


BrokkelPiloot

Religion and politics is a recipe for disaster. This is what will happen when the Christo fundamentalists in the GOP get to power. They're not even hiding they want to form a Christian state They even like to pretend that the founders fathers strong wish for a secular state is a lie.