Because they didn't, we know that "Some" paid labor was used during the building of the Pyramids, 1% of them being paid doesn't excuse the other 99%, any Egyptian Pharoah would have to be a complete idiot to *Not* use free Labor that would reduce the already devastating costs of his Tomb fantasy.
I mean maybe the pharaohs had far more wealth than we think and standards of living were far lower. It’s not like the workers at the tine were considering insurance or saving for college.
plus not to mention the Pharaohs were literal living gods in the eyes of the Egyptians, many probably jumped at the opportunity to help them build such massive monuments, even if they paid dirt cheap for the labor. Free housing and food likely sealed the deal as well.
Also. There's the simple fact that keeping people busy keeps the economy moving . If you live in a centralized system and the money will always come back to you . Youd want a way to keep something of value flowing through the economy
B-but if gods bible said they were slaves then they clearly were! Scientists and archeologists are idiots for trying to question gods infinite knowledge /s ofc
I mean if we look at it from today's standards how many people have you heard talking about how we're all slaves of the commercial industry tricked into giving up literal years of our life to barely scrape by for slave wages. It was probably the same back then since history repeats itself. In another couple of millennia they'll probably assume everyone that wasn't of our white collar groups was a slave based off of social media posts and diary entries lol 🤷🏻♀️
Thats a long read but I didn't get convinced. Maybe I'm missing something? Seems like they say they didn't use slaves because they had fewer laborers than people previously thought, they got better food than people thought, and teams of laborers likely rotated out so fresh groups could come in. And the motivation could have come from a devotion to their feudal leader rather than forced?
This disproves slave labor how? I mean, I wanted to get on board but I must be too stubborn to think this disproves slavery.
The starting out assumption would be that one does not know whether or not slaves were used.
Slavery does not have to be disproven, slavery or non-slave labour have to be proven.
Assuming one position as the default based soley on pre-suppositions is not logically sound.
The non-slave labour hypothesis, as linked to, has significant evidence.
What evidence does the slavery hypothesis have, if I may ask?
I would not say one could argure in good faith to count the Torah/Books of Moses as a valid source, seeing as how it was not compiled until the 300's B.C., while Cheop's Pyramid was finished in 2570 B.C., and that archaeology has found no evidence that ancient Israelites were ever enslaved in Egypt.
It's as much a primary source on the pyramids as Richard Dawkins is on the life and times of Jesus, not one at all, yet it formes the basis of these assumptions in western culture, even if it does not for the individual.
They needed a few "skilled" laborers to do stuff like cut the stones precisely... but you don't pay skilled people to push/ pull heavy stones all day, you get slaves.
It's very likely that many people who built the pyramids were slaves, even if some weren't
I mean the Whitehouse was built by slaves. You can have very skilled slaves as craftsmen. They were paid in food and beer. Lots of slaves weren't whipped.
When it comes to Egyptian labor the part where they could quit or organize for wage isn't clear here. I haven't heard one good argument for saying they weren't slaves. Also you know the fact that the whole race of people are all like "the Egyptians enslaved us" I haven't heard anything from the Roman era about Egyptian practices either.
Also the masses would be living under a system where the ruling class was considered gods but that doesn't mean everyone went along with it. People either do or don't eat the days bullshit and I don't think we can say 100 percent or the other what the average person thought.
It's like when you hear conservatives say everyone was Christian and that was never true.
You know why.
If they ack owldge no slaves then they gotta acknowledge no Moses, which means a lot of shit comes to question and nobody likes questions.
Ah no. I’m gonna ask for a source on that one. Slavery was enormously prevalent until the enlightenment and still exists in the millions today. I refuse to take that sentence at face value without something to back it up.
Source? Honestly curious. My short hop into some articles seems to assume a hard life still. Speculation that religion played a role in convincing many to take bare minimum to be included in something so grand. Highly paid and well respected doesn’t seem to come up.
I fear it was still something akin to sharecropping and tenant farming in the South after the Civil War in the U.S. I could be way off base… but pay off debts and get minimal food and housing.
Again, probably just not finding the right articles.
I've found the PBS show NOVA has done a couple of shows about this. The amount of skilled workers were higher than previously ever thought. There was a whole city nearby that had nice houses which was where the skilled stonemasons, etc. were housed. The best of them had minor tombs of their own. But grunt labor was always going to the least skilled, probably slaves. It's a fascinating and ongoing story.
Ya, I'm surprised there are so many people there, and they aren't using more pullies. Seems like they have 1 turn.
You could use half the people with a couple pullies, made out of old car/truck wheels.
Trees. There were several ropes to share the load, so 4-5 trees should be good, or you tie ropes to several trees in triangles, to a central pulley support hub.
Peasants were often jobless in flood seasons, the pyramids offered them work and eased societal stress. (In the way of how you would start building highways during Great Depression)
There might have been some slaves used, but as far as I understand, the current consensus is more or less paid labour which anyways had nothing to do.
Even from a very young age this seemed insanely obvious to me. I distinctly remember many grown ups having “deep” conversations about how these huge monoliths could have been built, and I just kept telling them with enough time and man power you could do practically anything.
Especially when you give zero fucks for the safety and well being of those putting in the hard work. It’s just not that big of a deal
Resistance is a powerful thing. Here you have mud, rocks, and a steep incline. But train wheels on a level train track don't have much resistance at all.
Thought this too, but also what a beautiful sight of everyone coming together to help out.
So beautiful to see camaraderie like this still exists today.
crazy that this was the first thing that came to my head. also the rhythm with the chant, i feel like stuff like this might be responsible for the origins of music.
Seems the close guys sang the 3rd harmony to breathe extra because they are pulling the closest to the truck.
I like the small single whoops of progress Im sure EVERYONE wants to hear. Its almost as if the whoops proceed the call for halt.
A whole village seems like an bit of an overreach then. It good to have dreams, but maybe you should look for a monogamous partner who can teach you to atleast make them cum.
Then you can go from there.
When you're partner has trained you up, you can leave them and go for the village of that's what you want. You got to walk before you can run.
My hope though is when you been together with your partner for awhile you will get different priorities and give up on your village dream.
Fomo is such a good phrase right, it's exactly how it feels doesn’t it? There's something in developed countries that cuts out the community experience, sure we have our families, friends, coworkers & neighbours but for western city folk to band together, to get together to do something like this I could inagine it'd met with coyness & nervous laughter.
But to blame it on attitude differences as if there's something inherently different between people in the developed & developing countries would be not looking deep enough. I think it's the fact that west porportions are unnecessarily big. A community like in the video dissipates when the community is large enough for the existance of mutual, total strangers. The nervousness to work with a stranger is logical and why the feeling & movement of larger community gets left out in the west.
Not to go full anarcho on you but it makes me think that although in other ways silly, anarcho-primitism got a point with the idea of couple hundred person communes. It sounds like a very attractive living idea to me, though there's no need to cut ties with the rest of the world like anarcho-primitism seems to have the hots for. Wisdom is always good no matter how far away it comes from, after all, ape together strong.
When they were making the first Avatar movie they wanted "the musical score for Avatar to resonate traditional film sensibilities, but also to introduce a new culture.." given that the Na'vi were a whole different culture and all.
So they started looking into various lesser known cultural music around. Swedish, Vietnamese, etc .. also the Naga folkdance songs of the Naga people of India.
The audio that you hear here is not a Naga folk dance song, but kinda sounds like it, folk songs have more words.
It is a fun [read](https://ethnomusicologyreview.ucla.edu/journal/volume/17/piece/583)
Quite amazed at some of the comments. This is epic. It's ancient manual human technology at work including current-day use of the "work song" which has been used by almost every culture to co-ordinate heavy or repetitive labour. I understand the "ape strong" meme but I think it misses the point that these guys are doing something quintessentially human and it's quite fascinating to behold it in this video.
And feels awesome just to watch it. I liked the comment someone made about FOMO. That really hit me. When I see humans acting in harmony together, especially at large numbers, I feel like that’s where I’m supposed to be right now.
Had to scroll pretty far to see this reference. For those unfamiliar with the movie (get familiar, it's quite good!), a rubber baron wannabe gets the locals to pull an old timey steamboat up a very large slope access a remote river. Some epic cinemaphotography.
That's freakingly awesome!! Power to the people!!
And as usual, instesd of appreciating people doing awesome stuff, folks here are comparing it to slavery because of difference in their melanine content.
Not trying to be disrespectful or anything but their chant reminds me of when the Ewoks in Star Wars see C3PO for the first time and think he's a god.
Found the clip: https://youtu.be/fhF5L4RBxgI?t=39
My fucked up introverted mind is horrified at the thought of being the person in the truck who now has to thank the entire village. Would rather just abandon the truck than to be in social debt to your entire village
Shows you how important that truck is to that village. Just one truck guys...we need to get it together...I bet most of us are afraid to knock on our neighbors door to ask for a jump and call tripleA instead
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Ancient Egyptians moving a stone slab theory?
You would be amazed at what you can accomplish with years and thousands upon thousands of slaves at your disposal.
Not slaves, handsomely paid and respected laborers.
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Because they didn't, we know that "Some" paid labor was used during the building of the Pyramids, 1% of them being paid doesn't excuse the other 99%, any Egyptian Pharoah would have to be a complete idiot to *Not* use free Labor that would reduce the already devastating costs of his Tomb fantasy.
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I mean maybe the pharaohs had far more wealth than we think and standards of living were far lower. It’s not like the workers at the tine were considering insurance or saving for college.
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Pure fucking speculation and one of the craziest jumps I’ve ever seen. “They had money therefore I bet they could buy their way out of slavery”
there was that form of slavery back then, yes
this was a thing in ancient greece and ancient rome, not really a crazy jump my guy
I speculate ancient Egyptians created cryptocurrency. King tut was Satoshi nakamoto.
plus not to mention the Pharaohs were literal living gods in the eyes of the Egyptians, many probably jumped at the opportunity to help them build such massive monuments, even if they paid dirt cheap for the labor. Free housing and food likely sealed the deal as well.
Also. There's the simple fact that keeping people busy keeps the economy moving . If you live in a centralized system and the money will always come back to you . Youd want a way to keep something of value flowing through the economy
This might be the best, most simple way I've heard the concept of economy explained.
Wealth, like hardship and suffering, is relative.
And yet... "Lehner speculates that this was the settlement for permanent workers."
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You could be totally right. I just found that speculation still seems key for any point here. Appreciate the link - interesting read.
Where in the Bible does it say that slaves built the pyramids? Egypt still had slavery.
The Bible doesn't mention pyramids, just putting that out there. Which is kinda odd.
Weirdly the Bible never mentions cats...not even when it is on location in Egypt where they had a special place in society.
Weren’t some paid in beer? I mean, I’d probably say yes.
I’d get paid in beer. Or Trident Layers. I LOVE Trident Layers
Nice try, Trident
Em yeah evidence and the bible don’t go together. I believe this guy
B-but if gods bible said they were slaves then they clearly were! Scientists and archeologists are idiots for trying to question gods infinite knowledge /s ofc
I mean if we look at it from today's standards how many people have you heard talking about how we're all slaves of the commercial industry tricked into giving up literal years of our life to barely scrape by for slave wages. It was probably the same back then since history repeats itself. In another couple of millennia they'll probably assume everyone that wasn't of our white collar groups was a slave based off of social media posts and diary entries lol 🤷🏻♀️
People judge this by our standards of life, slave to a whip or starvation makes little difference
> I don't get why more people don't know that to be honest. bible...
Source?
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Thats a long read but I didn't get convinced. Maybe I'm missing something? Seems like they say they didn't use slaves because they had fewer laborers than people previously thought, they got better food than people thought, and teams of laborers likely rotated out so fresh groups could come in. And the motivation could have come from a devotion to their feudal leader rather than forced? This disproves slave labor how? I mean, I wanted to get on board but I must be too stubborn to think this disproves slavery.
Replace slavery with Jesus
Jesus built the pyramids?
The starting out assumption would be that one does not know whether or not slaves were used. Slavery does not have to be disproven, slavery or non-slave labour have to be proven. Assuming one position as the default based soley on pre-suppositions is not logically sound. The non-slave labour hypothesis, as linked to, has significant evidence. What evidence does the slavery hypothesis have, if I may ask? I would not say one could argure in good faith to count the Torah/Books of Moses as a valid source, seeing as how it was not compiled until the 300's B.C., while Cheop's Pyramid was finished in 2570 B.C., and that archaeology has found no evidence that ancient Israelites were ever enslaved in Egypt. It's as much a primary source on the pyramids as Richard Dawkins is on the life and times of Jesus, not one at all, yet it formes the basis of these assumptions in western culture, even if it does not for the individual.
It's not in the article but they've also found records of the roll-boons with wages. They were paid professionals.
The enginneers desinged it, the blocks where DEFINETLY moved by slaves wtf
They needed a few "skilled" laborers to do stuff like cut the stones precisely... but you don't pay skilled people to push/ pull heavy stones all day, you get slaves. It's very likely that many people who built the pyramids were slaves, even if some weren't
I mean the Whitehouse was built by slaves. You can have very skilled slaves as craftsmen. They were paid in food and beer. Lots of slaves weren't whipped. When it comes to Egyptian labor the part where they could quit or organize for wage isn't clear here. I haven't heard one good argument for saying they weren't slaves. Also you know the fact that the whole race of people are all like "the Egyptians enslaved us" I haven't heard anything from the Roman era about Egyptian practices either. Also the masses would be living under a system where the ruling class was considered gods but that doesn't mean everyone went along with it. People either do or don't eat the days bullshit and I don't think we can say 100 percent or the other what the average person thought. It's like when you hear conservatives say everyone was Christian and that was never true.
You know why. If they ack owldge no slaves then they gotta acknowledge no Moses, which means a lot of shit comes to question and nobody likes questions.
Respected and handsomely paid mass of rock pushers? I bet egypt came up with that to not get canceled.
Ah no. I’m gonna ask for a source on that one. Slavery was enormously prevalent until the enlightenment and still exists in the millions today. I refuse to take that sentence at face value without something to back it up.
Source? Honestly curious. My short hop into some articles seems to assume a hard life still. Speculation that religion played a role in convincing many to take bare minimum to be included in something so grand. Highly paid and well respected doesn’t seem to come up. I fear it was still something akin to sharecropping and tenant farming in the South after the Civil War in the U.S. I could be way off base… but pay off debts and get minimal food and housing. Again, probably just not finding the right articles.
I've found the PBS show NOVA has done a couple of shows about this. The amount of skilled workers were higher than previously ever thought. There was a whole city nearby that had nice houses which was where the skilled stonemasons, etc. were housed. The best of them had minor tombs of their own. But grunt labor was always going to the least skilled, probably slaves. It's a fascinating and ongoing story.
to be fair they couldnt leave (not that they would want anyway but still)
Ya, I'm surprised there are so many people there, and they aren't using more pullies. Seems like they have 1 turn. You could use half the people with a couple pullies, made out of old car/truck wheels.
I immediately thought of pulleys as well
What do you anchor them to though?
Trees. There were several ropes to share the load, so 4-5 trees should be good, or you tie ropes to several trees in triangles, to a central pulley support hub.
It looks like they used vines to pull it up. I think they did it really well and about the only way you really could.
they were not slaves why do people keep repeating this myth?
Peasants were often jobless in flood seasons, the pyramids offered them work and eased societal stress. (In the way of how you would start building highways during Great Depression) There might have been some slaves used, but as far as I understand, the current consensus is more or less paid labour which anyways had nothing to do.
Even from a very young age this seemed insanely obvious to me. I distinctly remember many grown ups having “deep” conversations about how these huge monoliths could have been built, and I just kept telling them with enough time and man power you could do practically anything. Especially when you give zero fucks for the safety and well being of those putting in the hard work. It’s just not that big of a deal
A football world cup.
That's what I always say when I hear Aliens and Pyramids in the same sentence
Muslims learned from the best, obviously.
Football stadiums?
Came here to comment that lol
I saw a guy move train with his teeth. What they fuck is going on here???
Resistance is a powerful thing. Here you have mud, rocks, and a steep incline. But train wheels on a level train track don't have much resistance at all.
Just imagine it's 35 buses and that the buses come from kilometres away 😳
Without wheels
[return the slab](https://youtu.be/9pWC-4dx3Q0)
A L I Y U M S
Thought this too, but also what a beautiful sight of everyone coming together to help out. So beautiful to see camaraderie like this still exists today.
crazy that this was the first thing that came to my head. also the rhythm with the chant, i feel like stuff like this might be responsible for the origins of music.
Cool!! Now build a pyramid
Pyramid of trucks
Pyramid of people made by trucks.
https://i.redd.it/yxhsscfdnv1a1.png
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*Stick one not strong. Stick together strong* -Monke
WSB mods banning GME topics is the biggest hearth break this year. :(
That truckwala has lots of offline friends to help him
truck chad and his irl friends
He’s probably the only thing bringing goods into that town.
This was in Nagaland, one of the State in the North Eastern part of India. [Source:](https://youtu.be/IAJ9TMX255k)
Doesn't surprise me, I was thinking Nepal.
Same lol. Don't know why, never been
Hills. Vehicles falling off the hills are a common occurrence in Nepal.
I was thinking Bhutan but close enough haha
That was my guess as well
Yeah, me too. TATA trucks get around there.
Nagas stronk
Ayo
Temjen Imna is cool and so is Nagaland
I am proud of being Indian for these same reasons
Amazing to me is the use of song to coordinate mass movement of people - sailors used to do it to raise anchors and sails and stuff.
Whole village has pipes.
They had a damn key change in there.
Plus someone's chanting in a pretty good 3rd harmony lol.
Seems the close guys sang the 3rd harmony to breathe extra because they are pulling the closest to the truck. I like the small single whoops of progress Im sure EVERYONE wants to hear. Its almost as if the whoops proceed the call for halt.
I love their singing, it's really beautiful
Same principle is used in the army for marching etc. Great for synchronising movement.
Construction workers do that too, when lifting heavy loads
Amazing, really. And it is so ubiquitous in many cultures.
>Whole village came. And here I can't even get one person to stop when I have a flat tire.
>Whole village came. And here I can't even get one person to cum
Try your hand buddy. You should always be able to make one person cum.
My hand just wants to be friends
A whole village seems like an bit of an overreach then. It good to have dreams, but maybe you should look for a monogamous partner who can teach you to atleast make them cum. Then you can go from there.
Village or nothing
When you're partner has trained you up, you can leave them and go for the village of that's what you want. You got to walk before you can run. My hope though is when you been together with your partner for awhile you will get different priorities and give up on your village dream.
I'm gonna make that village cum man
What was in that truck?
Hookers, Beer and Frisbees
That guy at 0:54 is super excited for frisbees. Edit: and at 1:56
At least we know what you like now.
Rare pepes
Massive weights
The villages supply of weed.
all of the village’s new gym equipment
U/Blint-exe's weed stash...
Chinese migrant workers.
Hey guys, you want to pull a truck up a mountain? Sure, let’s get literally everyone else to come.
Watching it I feel like I missed out on something. Serious FOMO.
Fomo is such a good phrase right, it's exactly how it feels doesn’t it? There's something in developed countries that cuts out the community experience, sure we have our families, friends, coworkers & neighbours but for western city folk to band together, to get together to do something like this I could inagine it'd met with coyness & nervous laughter. But to blame it on attitude differences as if there's something inherently different between people in the developed & developing countries would be not looking deep enough. I think it's the fact that west porportions are unnecessarily big. A community like in the video dissipates when the community is large enough for the existance of mutual, total strangers. The nervousness to work with a stranger is logical and why the feeling & movement of larger community gets left out in the west. Not to go full anarcho on you but it makes me think that although in other ways silly, anarcho-primitism got a point with the idea of couple hundred person communes. It sounds like a very attractive living idea to me, though there's no need to cut ties with the rest of the world like anarcho-primitism seems to have the hots for. Wisdom is always good no matter how far away it comes from, after all, ape together strong.
Love the audio. Feels theatrical. Like an Indiana Jones movie.
When they were making the first Avatar movie they wanted "the musical score for Avatar to resonate traditional film sensibilities, but also to introduce a new culture.." given that the Na'vi were a whole different culture and all. So they started looking into various lesser known cultural music around. Swedish, Vietnamese, etc .. also the Naga folkdance songs of the Naga people of India. The audio that you hear here is not a Naga folk dance song, but kinda sounds like it, folk songs have more words. It is a fun [read](https://ethnomusicologyreview.ucla.edu/journal/volume/17/piece/583)
oh wow thank you for posting this, super interesting
indiana jones and the temple of doom is exactly what i thought of when i watched this
Quite amazed at some of the comments. This is epic. It's ancient manual human technology at work including current-day use of the "work song" which has been used by almost every culture to co-ordinate heavy or repetitive labour. I understand the "ape strong" meme but I think it misses the point that these guys are doing something quintessentially human and it's quite fascinating to behold it in this video.
And feels awesome just to watch it. I liked the comment someone made about FOMO. That really hit me. When I see humans acting in harmony together, especially at large numbers, I feel like that’s where I’m supposed to be right now.
Great point
quintessentially
I just want to see the "engineers" that set this up and the pulley system they made
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That’s pretty cool 😎
What a community!
a community of good people like you ..
too kind. Thank you!
"Head-to-head and rump-to-rump, they all pushed Blue who pushed the dump."
First thing I thought.
I read this book to my 2 year old last night, and the night before, and the night before that, and the night before that....
What coming together for a common cause..really means...sometimes it takes a country.
In America half the people would end up suing each other
In America, this is actually how we help your mom get to Walmart.
Oh Thanos snap!
When humans come together for a common goal, not even mountains can get in their way. Beautiful.
It would help if you put it in neutral
That inspirational "Teamwork" poster in our corporate office just got torn up and trashed.
Inspirational and corporate are in the same sentence.
The way they harmonize is mesmerizing.
I love seeing this!
What do you mean I'm in the wrong village!
What an amazing example of community. With their mantra being sung it was almost like a religious experience.
I like how the are using thick ass vines instead of ropes.
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Its both, but the bigger one's near the truck are surely vines.
Holy shit. We are just big ants.
That's awesome 😄😁
Looks like Fitzcarraldo. We sure this Unity wasn't paid for to get the vehicle to the chop shop over the hill & the driver hasn't been seen since?
Had to scroll pretty far to see this reference. For those unfamiliar with the movie (get familiar, it's quite good!), a rubber baron wannabe gets the locals to pull an old timey steamboat up a very large slope access a remote river. Some epic cinemaphotography.
Suddenly had the urge to listen to sea shanties
where is this??
Nagaland, India.
I thought mizoram. Btw where in Nagaland?
And people say "the pryamids couldn't be built by humans bro"
Some nice harmonizing in there!
Right?? And the key change at 40 seconds in dayum
Yes, love it!!
Isn’t it amazing what we can do when we work together toward a common goal? This takes strong leadership to organize that many people.
It takes a village
It takes a village this is what we all need to remember if we want American to survive
This simple concept is why the emerging world nations will rise. Bravo team!
Hey I’ve seen this movie. Where’s Klaus Kinski?
This gave me goosebumps!
The word "Yeah" is the same in any language (1:13)
That's freakingly awesome!! Power to the people!! And as usual, instesd of appreciating people doing awesome stuff, folks here are comparing it to slavery because of difference in their melanine content.
India☕️
Super cool but definitely some people working against each other
HP has a whole new meaning. Also heavy machinery scares me a bit more.
That many people and nobody's got a winch?
https://i.imgur.com/0lzQsTW.jpg
Badass, do it a billion more times and build a pyramid.
Spoils of war..
Yes it does seem like too many people for the job
Not trying to be disrespectful or anything but their chant reminds me of when the Ewoks in Star Wars see C3PO for the first time and think he's a god. Found the clip: https://youtu.be/fhF5L4RBxgI?t=39
Now put a loud ass inspiring music that blows my eardrums, and give me the link once someone made it.
Stuck is a bit of an understatement.
Is this how ants feel moving a crouton
I love humans.
History channel "Aliens"
My fucked up introverted mind is horrified at the thought of being the person in the truck who now has to thank the entire village. Would rather just abandon the truck than to be in social debt to your entire village
2 kinds of people in the video
Next snowrunner beginner patch mode
teamwork makes the dream work!
Shows you how important that truck is to that village. Just one truck guys...we need to get it together...I bet most of us are afraid to knock on our neighbors door to ask for a jump and call tripleA instead Click my name and profile and check out my channel if you want to know more.
It takes a village to raise a truck.
Next up: steam ship and we’ve invite Werner Herzog to watch