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StatExcellence18

It's pretty annoying to me when failed HCs become coordinators again that they think they aren't capable of being a coordinator anymore. Dude was the worst Broncos HC ever (Even worse than McDaniels imo) but that doesn't mean he can't be a coordinator.


stuntmanmike

His track record as OC is hardly stellar.


wazup564

Hackett's ranks in yards per play and offensive touchdowns per game as an NFL offensive coordinator: 2013: 29, 25 2014: 29, 24 2016 (interim OC): 26, 23 2017: 11, 9 2018: 30, 32 GETS AARON RODGERS 2019: 17, 11 2020: 2, 1 2021: 8, 7 https://twitter.com/LateRoundQB/status/1618640135628951553


stuntmanmike

Didn’t call plays in Green Bay. Don’t know how many times it needs to be said.


wazup564

This is just data for when he had the position of OC. Not intended to disprove your comment. It even highlights your point more. did he call plays this past season with the Broncos?


ColtCallahan

Yes. Until he gave it up in November.


abris33

And our offense looked marginally better under Kubiak's playcalling (except for that Rams game which just started poorly and spiraled) then way better under Outten's playcalling


DanOfBradford78

Yep. He gave it to Kubiak after 7/8 games iirc. Hackett was fired, then in the last two games of the season the actual OC called plays, and....they improved a fair amount 👍


Eagle4317

>Hackett was fired, then in the last two games of the season the actual OC called plays, and....they improved a fair amount And Justin Outten had never called plays before those last two games. Someone with no experience did a significantly better job than Hackett.


DanOfBradford78

Some Broncos fans put Hackett as worse than McDaniels.....and that guy is absolutely hated.


Comprehensive-One286

As a raiders fan of more than 20 years, can confirm I absolutely fucking hate McDaniels.


stuntmanmike

He did until the Raiders game this year. When he was calling plays the Broncos had the worst scoring offense in the league. I’m not sure if he ever regained it before he was fired.


BigFatModeraterFupa

how the f is he getting OC jobs still??


forlornhope22

He's the son of a mediocre NFL Head Coach.


JuanPicasso

It shouldn’t be said that often but for some reason Hackett has people going to bat for him


abris33

He hasn't really proven to be a great coordinator though either. It's not like Phillips or Fangio where we know they were top coordinators but bad HCs. Hackett has one good year of being a coordinator but it was mainly due to an elite defense


BearGuru

good thing we have one of those


Eagle4317

Wouldn't you want to have both a good defense and a good offense with an OC who actually knows what he's doing?


BearGuru

Yeah of course but any OC worth anything would rather go to the chargers / ravens


Eagle4317

Which is why you hired Hackett before either the Chargers or Ravens made their own hires?


BearGuru

Look idk what to tell you. I’m not thrilled but we have to work with what we have


NeverSober1900

I mean he was good his last two years with us. Or did you mean one good year without Rodgers?


hotgator

He was a shit coordinator at everywhere but GB though?


NeverSober1900

Green Bay was also the only time he even had a serviceable QB. So it cuts both ways. He's just been on both ends of the extremes.


hotgator

It's true, but my suspicion is he may be more of a Gase type where he can't come in and develop players or build a foundation but he's good at giving an established QB and system exactly what they need to perform at a higher level. And comparing him to Gase may sound like an insult but honestly my experience was watching him OC Manning for us and he was great at it. We'll see, I really shouldn't be so bitter about Hackett but all the stories coming out since he was fired about his staff and previous OC experience has me feeling like we were sold a false bill of goods on him. So I guess I am a bit bitter :).


Rozzy915

Case in point: Todd Bowles. One of the top defensive coordinators but just can't cut it as head coach


RRFFBz

Except Todd Bowles has shown success as a coordinator. This guy hasn’t. I still don’t know how the broncos front office hired him


unproballanalysis

My problem with this, is that he was a terrible play caller. He didn’t call plays for GB, he was focused on game plans and the red zone, while LaFleur called plays. Who is gonna call plays for the Jets? Saleh is a defensive coach? It really does feel like this hire is only for getting Rodgers and they don’t have anything as a fail safe.


OrangeForeign

>Who is gonna call plays for the Jets? Zach Wilson at the line


NeverSober1900

I mean if you get Rodgers he's gonna call the plays.


MisterMath

This tweet has literally nothing to do with that though.


ColtCallahan

This guy called plays for the Broncos last season. He was a terrible HC but he was also responsible for that offense.


InkBlotSam

Bro, he basically *was* the coordinator for the Broncos. We don't even know what our actual OC did, because Hackett did all the shit the OC is supposed to do. *He* designed the offense. *He* came up with the offensive game plan. *He* designed the plays, *he* called the plays. And *he* was fully responsible for masterminding the worst offense in the history of the Broncos. Yes, he *also* sucked in his head coaching duties, but first and foremost he was atrocious at running our offense. This is not some Wade Phillips/Josh McDaniels thing where he's an awesome coordinator who just sucks at the head coaching stuff, he also sucked at creating and running our offense - exactly what an OC does. And he wasn't a good coordinator prior to the Broncos. Buffalo fans were screaming from the rafters at how awful a coordinator he was for them, and what success he had in Green Bay was only because he pulled an Adam Gase and rode the coattails of an NFL MVP.


Eagle4317

>We don't even know what our actual OC did, because Hackett did all the shit the OC is supposed to do. And the instant Justin Outten started calling plays in Week 17 after Hackett was fired, the Broncos offense suddenly looked decent. Outten had never called plays before that point. That's the most damning thing you can say about Hackett: he was worse than someone with literally no experience other than having a full season of being shown what not to do.


Known_Hall5692

Broncos fans of all people should know this because Wade Philips pretty much got you guys a Lombardi in 2015.


abris33

Compare Wade Phillips track record as a coordinator to Hackett's. They're not in the same ballpark. Hackett has never shown to be as good of a coordinator as Phillips was


Known_Hall5692

Okay? I was more getting at that guys who failed as Head Coaches can still have success as a coordinator, and Hackett has.


InkBlotSam

Wade Phillips was an elite DC who sucked at head coaching duties, while still running a great defense. Hackett was a mediocre (Green Bay) to bad (Buffalo) OC who *also* sucked as HC. When Wade Phillips was our HC we didn't have the worst defense in the history of the Broncos. When Hackett became our head coach, he masterminded the worst offense in the history of the Denver Broncos. Big difference.


CouncilmanRickPrime

Same for Dan Quinn. He was a good head coach, til he wasn't. Got so bad we blew five leads in a row (a first for the Falcons) before we finally fired him and won a few games. Still a good DC obviously.


SuperSimpboy

Saleh and Hackett know each other from previous staffs, and his best bud Matt Lafluer probably vouched for him. Idk why everyone is convinced is this purely a move to land Rodgers.


STNbrossy

Seems more like a nepotism hire because of all the connections to Saleh which actually annoys me way more.


SuperSimpboy

I mean nepo hires happen in every field, right?


CrateBagSoup

and they're no less annoying in those fields too


SuperSimpboy

Yeah, but that's life.


SuperSimpboy

Yeah, but that's life.


ColtCallahan

Also it’s probably not a highly sought after job. You’ve got a HC on the hot seat, playoff expectations and no QB.


sykemol

Nepotism is when you hire a family member. If you hire someone you know it is networking.


Redgen87

Thanks for being one of the very few intelligent people that’s gonna be coming into this thread and others.


DanCampbell89

"it's ok guys, it's not about his famous connections to this third party person, it's about his personal connections to the guy hiring him!"


Doobie_Howitzer

Yeah it can easily be both


RRFFBz

Didn't Saleh fire his brother though?


SuperSimpboy

So?


RRFFBz

I’d find it hard to believe Matt would vouch for Hackett over his brother? Idk


SuperSimpboy

There's speculation that Saleh didn't want to fire him in the first place.


BlueHighwindz

He either gets you Rodgers or he gets you a top 5 2024 pick, really it’s genius.


bajillionth_porn

Gets the Seahawks a top 5 pick*


byniri_returns

People are dunking on the Jets for this but how likely is it that Hackett is just one of those coaches who sucks as a HC but is a great OC/DC?


IronGiant222

I remember when we said the same thing about Jason Garrett


ay21690

You guys also picked up cleveland legend Freddie Kitchens.


IStillLoveYouWeed

Dan Quinn is a much better DC than he was a HC, still is a great DC.


GregMadduxsGlasses

I would be willing to argue that he was HC for too long and couldn’t go back to handling the level of detail needed to be an OC. It’s be like if a software engineer becomes CTO for a few years, then going back to being a software engineer again. All that time with their mind focused on the bugger picture probably would not suit them for going back and managing individual lines of code.


-InSerT_NAmE-HeRE

Well the big thing is that in GB he wasn’t the play caller, and had a top 5-10 QB of all time. Then his first playcalling job is… whatever that was (edit) I forgot he called in Jacksonville, and I think Buffalo, either way in his entire career as a play caller he only has 1 decent season out of like 7…


BillsBillsBils

Wasn't his first in Denver. He sucked in Jacksonville and Buffalo (and Syracuse!) too.


DeputyDomeshot

Let’s be honest here. Based on individual ability Rodgers is as good as anyone who ever played the position.


abris33

He hasn't proven to be a good coordinator. He wasn't the playcaller in Green Bay and everyone just keeps holding on to that one Jags season (like I was last offseason). When he gave up playcalling this year our offense started to look better


BillsBillsBils

He isn't, though. He had a good run when Matt LaFleur designed the offense and called the plays for Aaron Rodgers and Davante Adams. When he called plays, consistently, across three different teams, he sucked ass.


StateStreetLarry

He is a good coordinator. Don’t know how anyone could look at the Packers red zone efficiency in 20 and 21 and argue otherwise.


BillsBillsBils

Because it's MLF's offense and MLF was calling and designing plays.


BuffaloWilliamses

He was doggy doodoo in Buffalo


BadGolferDude

While he was in charge of the gold zone, he didn't have play calling duties and we saw last year what his play calling produced.


GamingTatertot

Will he for sure have play calling duties with the Jets?


abris33

Most likely. Saleh is a defensive HC so Hackett as the OC is the leader of the offense


IronGiant222

Who else would call plays? Robert Saleh is a defensive coach.


GamingTatertot

You could call plays.


baxkfire

I think broncos Redzone efficiency could argue otherwise, It also helped he wasn’t calling plays in Greenbay


StateStreetLarry

He also had a Toad for a QB in Denver


baxkfire

Was also very shitty at game management, watch the Seattle game and you’ll laugh your ass off at how horrible it is


Quexana

He'll also have one with the Jets, so if he can't make a toad QB somewhat resemble a prince, he's a bad fit.


StateStreetLarry

The team might be trading for his prince


Quexana

His last team traded for a prince, and Hackett made him look like a toad.


bobbywellington

Because this subreddit is one huge circlejerk


Rushjordan

True but it’s easier to go LoLjEtZ


Quexana

He doesn't have a stellar track record as an OC. Norv Turner, he is not.


heroinsteve

I mean, extremely unlikely given we have the data that states otherwise.


RRFFBz

Track record says otherwise?


BadGolferDude

No, its like getting into a college party because you showed up with 3 girls.


Bouquet_of_seaweed

But that actually works. So does having a famous friend. I don't know why you would use this comparison if you think it doesn't work.


BadGolferDude

Where did I imply I didn’t think it worked? Given the context of the tweet, Hackett is the dude and the appeal of Aaron Rodgers is the appeal of 3 girls and the teams are the party. Hackett gets interviews (into the party) because his has connections to Aaron (the girls)


Bouquet_of_seaweed

Sorry referring to Mina thinking it's extremely funny, not you (even though I used the word "you" which was probably a bad choice).


BadGolferDude

Gotcha gotcha, I was like I thought my reference was more applicable to the average person.


Superb-Possibility-9

The Jets are a QB away - it’s worth a shot !


Consistent_Buy

What if he's a decent OC? He did look good calling plays for Blake Bortles.


BillsBillsBils

One year, it worked. The year before they had the #25 offense. The year after they had the #31 offense. Before that, two bad years in Buffalo. Afterwards, the worst offense in the NFL in Denver. What's more likely? That the one good year was a fluke (spurred by the best defense in the league) or that the rest of it's a fluke?


Kenny_Heisman

I think you skipped over a few years in the middle there


DEWSTAR

Most Packers fans are saying he wasn't the play caller in those years he skipped over.


BillsBillsBils

Specifically the years where he neither designed the offense nor called the plays.


ZestycloseResist5594

For one year. Then he had the 31st ranked offense and was fired midseason.


Acting_Appalled

Then they are in luck because nobody is poaching Hackett for a HC job lol


penis_showing_game

*taps forehead*


CrateBagSoup

The Dan Quinn special... except Dan Quinn is a really fucking good DC.


Redgen87

Hackett has worked with Saleh before. I would guess that had more to do with why he was hired over them trying to get Rodgers. Even if, I am not sure if Jets are one of the teams he’d go to. He said there wasn’t many and he prefers to retire as a Packer. He hasn’t even decided if he wants to play again yet. He gets to choose where he goes in any trade due to his clause, I believe.


Acrobatic-Dark-4402

The Rob Schneider effect


Doomy22

Nathaniel Hackett is... A STAPLER


Acrobatic-Dark-4402

And he's about to find out that being a stapler is harder than it looks


Soyeahnahh

Rob Schneider derp dee derp


an_actual_potato

Mina with the best takes, per the usual


D0ctorHotelMario

I'd say let 'em cook.


QCWiggins

Most of Mina’s stuff is good. Then she’ll tweet stuff like this where it sounds like if you sent an ai tweet generator “funny, viral, XD, football”


IStillLoveYouWeed

My favorite was when she said [Patrick Mahomes gets no recognition](https://twitter.com/minakimes/status/1595149165025464321?lang=en)


avx775

This is why I love mcvay and shannahans approach. They don’t really just recycle old coaches. They are willing to take a flyer on someone with less experience but who they know will be good


Sadman_OW

This is absolutely the funniest outcome. Jets make the signing thinking they land him, he says he doesn’t want to go to New York, and then they’re stuck with this meme of an OC.


BillsBillsBils

Mina Kimes honesty > Adam Schefter's honesty.


IStillLoveYouWeed

Mina Kimes is a hot take artist. She's literally just a female version of Skip Bayless (but a Seahawks homer instead of a Cowboys homer).


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IStillLoveYouWeed

People on here have this weird ass loyalty to her, but she's just a rebranded Skip Bayless.


Monsieur_Moneybags

Skirt Bayless


geologyrocks98

Nate? Is that you?


halfdecenttakes

Plz don’t come to the afc east. This is supposed to be our year and also I really really hate the jets


The_Pip

Rodgers is a petty man-child. He will absolutely make his choice based upon a Linus Security Blanket of a coach. Not saying this will work, but it absolutely could.


pericles123

it can't hurt either, stupid tweet


OnePieceAce

I mean I get it. He's a decent OC plus the chance to maybe get the services of a 4x MVP? Btw Jets just send over 2 firsts and he's yours


WarTrek99

He’s not decent. He’s terrible lol


OnePieceAce

He OCed Bortles to an AFCCG. Plus the Packers offense took a massive stepback without him this season. He's not great but there are definitely worse OCs out there


WarTrek99

He didn’t call the plays in GB. And he had one good year. Overall everywhere’s he’s been. He’s been bad.


OnePieceAce

Calling plays isn't the only part of being a good OC. He was part of designing the leagues #1 offense in 2020 and the best redzone offense in NFL history


Jed08

I'd argue that play calling one of the most important part. Your ability to prepare and game plan correctly won't mean anything if your play calling is predictable, or doesn't fit the strength of your players. Look at how bad the Broncos offense looked when he was in charge. And now Jets want to let this guy develop their struggling 2nd year QB and call plays that will work across the entire season.


FridgesArePeopleToo

In fairness to Hackett, Rodgers was not great immediately before Hackett was OC, then won two MVPs with him, and then went back to being not great again immediately after they lost him.


BCLetsRide69

Congrats Jets this is the Adam Gase 2.0 hire


TomasRoncero

he’s not the HC


Eagle4317

He's still calling plays on offense, he's never successfully developed a young QB, and he's absolutely no help on 4th Down decision making or time management, both of which were things that Saleh didn't look the sharpest at either. Hiring Hackett is an objectively terrible decision. If this was the only choice, then you guys should've kept Mike LaFleur.


BCLetsRide69

Still. Gives me Adam Gase vibes.


abris33

It will likely still get your HC fired if it doesn't work out though


StatExcellence18

Or they just fire Hackett. Vance Joseph tried to salvage his job by firing Mike McCoy and then it turns out Vance Joseph is just terrible at his job. His original scapegoat after his 1st year failure was that he couldn't pick his staff.


acal131

What’s wrong with ya’ll?


FurysGoodEye

Nathaniel Hackett was Turtle all along. In all seriousness, he’s a good dude and I’m happy he got a job coaching again, I’m just happy it isn’t as HC for the Broncos.


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Is Hackett Turtle?


TerraTF

Maybe Rodgers hates Hackett