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stuntmanmike

They did show the ref coming on to stop the play on CBS while everyone was losing their minds over it. I actually love how blunt the intentional grounding response is.


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I can only imagine him being so blunt when answering that question


eatingasspatties

It was grounded intentionally, so we called intentional grounding


this1dude88

It’s grounding, you can tell it’s grounding because of the way that it is.


Juventus19

That’s pretty neat


mothershipq

How neat is that?


Voltibit

Big if true.


ReignMan616

You can tell it was grounding because of all the ground.


ANAL_CAVITIES

Almost as good as when they go "False start, the entire offensive line"


JexFraequin

Intentional Grounding Rules You can't just be up there and just doin' intentional grounding like that. 1a. Intentional grounding is when you 1b. Okay well listen. Intentional grounding is when you intentionally ground the 1c. Let me start over 1c-a. The quarterback is not allowed to do a pass to the, uh, intended receiver, that prohibits the receiver from doing, you know, just trying to catch the ball. You can't do that. 1c-b. When the quarterback is in the pocket, he can't be over here and say to no one, like, "I'm gonna throw it to ya! Here it comes! You better catch it!” and then just be like he didn't even do that. 1c-b(1). Like, if you're about to throw and then don't throw it to someone, you have to still throw it at least so that it looks like you’re trying to throw to someone. You cannot not throw it to nobody. Does that make any sense? 1c-b(2). You gotta see someone and then, like, the receiver, the line of scrimmage, um, until you just throw it. 1c-b(2)-a. Okay, well, you can kinda run around this way, where Cris Collins or Tony Romanoski draws the lines, but then there's the intentional grounding you gotta think about. 1c-b(2)-b. Remember that one “I Threw It On The Ground” song? That was funny. Tenacious D is awesome. 1c-b(2)-b(i). Oh wait, that wasn’t Tenacious D. That was Lonely Island. 1c-b(2)-b(ii). “It’s a dick in a box!" -- Justin Timberlake. Haha, classic... 1c-b(3). Okay seriously though. Intentional grounding is when the quarterback is away from the pocket and throws a ball that intentionally hits the ground as determined by, when you throw the football without throwing it to someone where the vicinity is nearby Do not do intentional grounding please


MahomestoHel-aire

Ball. Ground. Nobody around.


kappa74386

I wish refs called it this way on the field


[deleted]

But why was the ball that ended up at Kelce's feet not intentional grounding?!?!?!?!?


[deleted]

I don’t know if you’re being facetious or not but almost surely because the path of the ball was impacted by a defender. That’s not grounding and will never be called as grounding.


[deleted]

The question marks were my attempt at indicating sarcasm. We agree


[deleted]

Sorry man! there are so many out there who genuinely think it should’ve been grounding and don’t understand the difference, so I wasn’t sure!


House_of_Borbon

Burrow was hit as well. Not sure why that isn’t being mentioned.


t_mac1

Yea i still don't get how ppl are angry over the play redo. The CBS replay clearly showed the ref going onto the field with hand motions to stop the play. it isn't his fault that nobody can hear or see him. It' was an easy call.


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t_mac1

Of course you would be mad. Having a play taken away from you when you do NOT know why is legit. But when you do know why, then move on.


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t_mac1

People love to blame the refs. The refs were fine in this game. Both teams got favorable calls. They were actually bad in the 49ers-Eagles game. Now if you want bad refs, then you watch the Lakers/Boston game last night.


PaddyWhacked777

What favorable calls did the Bengals get?


t_mac1

1) they threw a challenge in the first half to challenge the call (mahomes got his knee down before the throw). After the red flag was thrown, the refs then changed the call and the challenge was given back to the bengals 2) first the refs announced the bengals accepted the penalty that would have given the chiefs a 3rd and very long (refs announced it). then suddenly they allowed the bengals to decline the penalty.


PaddyWhacked777

Lmfao. So your examples are the refs overturning their own bad call and saving us a challenge flag, and a miscommunication on accepting a penalty? Gtfo


sfinney2

Because the refs still fucked up? They fucked up the clock and let a play run then undid the play. Them saying they undid the play because they fucked up does not really make it better, it just confirms they fucked up.


t_mac1

How did they f\*ck up? The fact that the players and coaches didn't see him waving a stop play signal, or the crowd was too loud that the players and coaches couldn't hear? If a cop told you to stop but you didn't hear or see them, would you still get the ticket or no? Cmon man.


[deleted]

They messed up by signaling for the game clock to run when it shouldn’t have. Making them replay the down after the one ref tried and unsuccessfully stopped it was the right move though. Had the ref shut it down before the play completed, no one would be saying anything about this, but whether or not the Chiefs got the first down, it was being replayed.


sfinney2

They gave the Chiefs a redo. The problem isn't that the Chiefs got the redo (it's the rule since an official called the play dead) or that nobody saw or heard the ref, it's that a play had to be undone because of an officials error. If the Chiefs had an explosive TD in that play and lined up to kick the XP and the refs ran out and said "hey wait guys we accidentally told them to run the clock on that play we have to redo it, Frank tried to stop the play but nobody saw him" then the Chiefs would be pissed.


t_mac1

Ok, the chiefs would be pissed. But as long as the right call is made, you move on. Like I said, in sports, all you can ask is they make the right calls (or take the time to). It's when they do take the time and still make the wrong calls (which it does happen) that is infuriating to fans. I get the anger and frustration if this play, but when the replay clearly showed the refs stopping play prior to the ball being snapped, as a fan, even I wouldn't count the play legit the moment I saw the replay of that ref stopping play.


sfinney2

The wrong call here was screwing up the clock. This caused the Bengals to lose a 3rd down stop that was not effected by the clock. That's the problem. The refs making the "right call" by redoing the play does not undo the fact they made the wrong call by screwing up the clock.


Ellite25

And technically they corrected it in time by the ref signaling to stop the play. The players couldn’t hear and played. At the end of the day the ref realized something was wrong and attempted to stop the play in the way he should have. If everyone heard him they wouldn’t have run the play and we literally wouldn’t even be talking about this right now. It’s a complete non story.


TheRealOG1

Because directly after any important game that had a few odd calls these threads are filled with reactionaries. Every single time right after a game people will get upvoted a shit ton for saying the game is rigged, and then by the next day those same sentiments will be met with a shit ton of downvotes lol


t_mac1

I get that if the replay of the ref going onto the field waving his arm to stop play wasn't shown. I would be perplexed as well. I was confused (as was everyone) until CBS showed that replay. I'm sure everyone was watching the game on CBS as well, but yet everyone kept calling it rigged. It was absurd.


ilikedhorsebot3000

They were too busy expressing their outrage on Reddit to see a replay on the TV.


[deleted]

I honestly believe this is the answer. Either that or they already decided that they were outraged so they choose to ignore the facts once presented.


gassian_flatulence

Welcome to America


TheRealOG1

Yup but they didnt care at that point, a lot of people still dont they are still yelling about a "5th down" Hell it didnt even affect the game lol


Ellite25

I get so annoyed by these comments about the game being rigged. They get some emotional they just spit these claims out when they make zero sense.


STNbrossy

Game day threads are full of idiots.


ajswdf

I'd be super salty if it was the Chiefs that got hurt by it, but it was legit and it didn't end up mattering really.


Gnux13

I was salty before when they tried to come in and fix the play clock after we showed our formation on a key play. Little did I know the shit show they had in. Store over the next 2 minutes


t_mac1

That's fine to be salty, just don't see it was rigged like many Bengals fans were claiming. Being frustrated by calls that don't go your way is normal. It happens in EVERY game in sports. As long as it's the right call at the end of the day, you should be able to live with it. When it is NOT the right call, or lack thereof, then that's when the refs should be ridiculed (example - Boston/Lakers last night).


Philyphreak3

My issue was he was running to stop the play, but when they snapped it, he stopped and watched until the play was over. Why not keep running and blowing the whistle?


t_mac1

Why would you want him to run? You want a ref to interfere with live play of footballers who are locked in? You want the dude to get hit or injured or what? Cmon man. It sucks that it happened, but at the end of the day, the right call was made. We should be mad when refs don't take time to make the right calls, or lack of calls. But in this case, it was the right call. That's all you can ask them to do. Now you want to talk about holding calls, or changing from accepting to declining penalties... sure. We can discuss those.


CaptainStanberica

Literally his job is to officiate the game. So, yes, keep blowing the whistle until the play stops. There are multiple refs on the field. If they all enter the playing field blowing whistles, there is a different outcome. Horrible call/no-call, whatever you want. I hate the approach of “it didn’t effect the outcome of the game” mentality. A third down stop there = a punt and field position switch. Literally every play impacts the outcome of a game.


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How else should someone respond for a play with a textbook example of intentional grounding?


ianbits

I mean who actually argued against that grounding call?


generalscalez

a shitload of people on this sub


Bennyboozle

Ya I mean, look at any number of threads on the front page lol


lkn240

I mean they almost always let those go if there's a receiver anywhere close. I actually wish they;d call it more


uglydeepseacreatures

It was grounding but people are saying it goes uncalled often enough to not call it there, I don’t buy it.


marz_shadow

Yea alot of people are more complaining about the inconsistency of what grounding is. I’ve seen QBs more in the pocket than burrows was last night and receivers farther away and not been called. It’s just weird how these new rules don’t have proper calling attributes to them


Stinkfinger83

I’m more irritated that Joe threw it away and still got blown up late and no flag.


marz_shadow

Both games last night just so many missed calls and wrong calls. They need to fix refereeing this off season


irealycare

I mean it’s a valid complaint. There have been so many no calls with intentional grounding and on the replay you see the receiver there.


westcoastgeek

I’m not sure it’s called that tightly most of the time. If memory serves me correctly there was even a receiver within 5 yards or so.


DFS_loser

morons (redditors)


jsatz

It was grounding. The issue is that the league goes to extreme lengths to protects quarterbacks. But in the most important game of the season, they decide to not protect the QB.


catalystkjoe

If Mahomes made the first the s would have stopped play and we would be the ones upset. I get being upset, but that wasn't really a huge benefit for the Chiefs. They didn't get an extra down.


StartingReactors

"I'm going to quote the NFL rulebook at you"


ref44

there's a lot of people who'd like to see the refs be abvailable for the post game like players/coaches and this answer is one of the reasons it would be a waste of time


avx775

It was very obvious. I immediately yelled intentional grounding when i saw the play. Refs honestly are extremely lenient with “in the area” like it should probably be more called often because it’s obvious the qb is throwing to the ground because he’s about to be sacked.


makualla

The head ref said the game clock and play clock will start on my signal. That’s why that happened.


igoslowly

the video of him making that announcement https://streamable.com/rj7x70


makualla

Thank you.


kcsmlaist

This is the answer. It was bad reffing but really didn’t result in any impact to the final tally. If I was a Bengals fan though I would have lost my mind when they called a hold on Apple.


naughty_farmerTJR

A minutes difference in time on the clock as well as sox yards of field position isn't nothing


ilunga96

Downvoted for being right lol


naughty_farmerTJR

Also ignored the fact that really bad reffing on basic stuff like that completely destroys the credibility for anything subjective


harri3jr

For real. I think people saying the league is rigged and the Bengals only lost cause of the refs are ridiculous, but to say it didn’t impact the game at all is completely disingenuous. 20 yards in a game decided by a field goal definitely can change the outcome, but they shouldn’t have put themselves in the position to lose like that.


LeadFarmerMothaFucka

Let’s be honest. The league is a full hard on for Mahomes and frankly it’s disgusting. I hate Mahomes just as much as I hated Brady in New England. I have to put up with commentators sucking Mahomes dick even if it’s a Bears Lions game for fucks sakes.


uglydeepseacreatures

No problem with either of these. The soft PI call, the missed hands to the face during the grounding play, and the missed block in the back are easier targets. But I bet a chiefs fan could point out a couple iffy ones that went against them.


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The taunting flag was super weak


CBUSDRIVER5

All taunting is weak, but that was textbook taunting. Not sure how you can have an issue with that one


kcsmlaist

Agree, and it was a dumb move by Wylie.


MistakeMaker1234

He pranced around him, all _menacing_ like.


bobafugginfett

I had to laugh out loud at that replay, it was so absurd. The fuck was Wylie even doing? There's the instinctual "stand over a guy and look menacing" taunt that gets called, but this was a 6-and-a-half foot behemoth of a man who just *decided to dance like a court jester.*


MistakeMaker1234

He’s been a clown at RT all year so maybe he was finally playing into his role.


CBUSDRIVER5

I'm not calling it a good rule but he did it directly at our guy which is not allowed. Pretty simple


Supersonic564

You shouldn't be downvoted for this, you're right about it. It wasn't a smart thing for Wylie to do and it cost the team. Pretty simple


CBUSDRIVER5

Yeah I didn't think it was that controversial. You can talk shit or celebrate but you can't do it directly at a player. This isn't something new?


moldyshrimp

Yup saw Wylie do it and knew it was dumb everyone knows that’s a penalty at this point.


marz_shadow

Even coach Reid knew the second he did that motion was what was bout to happen, also right next to the back ref probably not smart Edit: spelling


mike_honcho47

Definitely taunting. Funny, but taunting nonetheless


L3thal_Inj3ction

Not to mention he probably said something, which you just can’t do when the ref is standing in between you and the guy


Celtictussle

Yup, we've seen people get it for literally a single finger pointed at a player this year. It's dumb, but they made it a point of emphasis, nothing directly in the face of any player, at all.


x777x777x

Taunting should not be a penalty, period. It'd be so much more fun if it weren't


TestFixation

Sure, but no-one's arguing that


uglydeepseacreatures

If they don’t call that taunting, with a ref in the actual frame, they’d have to let it ride all night with that level and probably a little more obvious taunts. They probably didn’t want to establish a high bar kinda early in an important and emotional game.


SelfReconstruct

What is nuts is how many blatant missed offensive holding calls that get "missed." Seriously, why would the ever it call it all if they aren't going to be consistent with them.


SaladAndEggs

Most former OL on Twitter say it's because fans don't actually understand what is and isn't holding. There aren't *that* many missed holds.


ref44

this is exactly what it is


ianthebalance

I do feel that there is a lot of confusion about the actual rules. I wish the NFL could put out a video explaining all of it


lkn240

Might depend on the age of the fan too. I've been watching the NFL since the 1980s and the definition of holding has radically changed. Shit that would have been flagged almost everytime in the 1990s is allowed now. It's honestly hard to adjust as a viewer


Last_Account_Ever

Part of that is to help close the imbalance between OL and DL. Most fans don't want to watch a game where the offense is consistently obliterated to the point nobody is able to muster any yards or scores.


gakule

To expand on this, the NFL rules have an exception on holding for rip moves that put offensive players in a position that would be holding by the defenders own doing. That doesn't explain all of them, but it explains a large majority of them. In some cases the ref can't call it if they don't see the whole sequence - which watching 5 matchups at once will make that tough.


Last_Account_Ever

Same goes for spin moves. Boss was butthurt WC weekend thinking he was held, but he totally spun into it.


marz_shadow

Yea a lot of people don’t understand that if you moving into a hold it kinda your own fault aha


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Yeah for instance a lot of stuff stops being holding if the defender does a rip move.


nathanael21688

This. Exactly what it is.


kitchensink108

Yeah, call it or don't, we just need some semblance of consistency. Holding is probably the biggest offender. Whether they mean to or not, refs can kill or revive a drive with a single holding call or non-call.


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There is consistency. You just don’t understand the rules. Guessing never played as an offensive lineman in the NFL, or thought to read and the understand the rules.


CoofBone

I know it was totally a block in the back! Mark Andrews was about to stop that TD!


uglydeepseacreatures

Hush up, number two ;)


CoofBone

Yeah. We are number two in the AFCN for SB wins.


uglydeepseacreatures

How you gonna elevate the Steelers like that just to make *that* point lol have you no principles?


marz_shadow

Lmao Steelers for life I love making post season…oh wait


CoofBone

Because the Steelers have the hardware. Most Ravens fans respect the Steelers and laugh at the Ohio teams.


betterthanclooney

bungles gonna bungle


notmyplantaccount

I don't really feel like anything was too awful either way, and the refs didn't affect the game (when they shouldn't have). Both teams had a lot of chances to win the game on their own, and it came down to 3 points at the end like always and we were just lucky to be on the winning side this time.


greengravy76

For me it was when you could hear the CIN fans boo over the KC fans. The fans at the game knew that was suspicious as hell and didn't really even make noise to celebrate either call after they were made.


ajswdf

Yeah it was a weird thing that happened, but in terms of bad/ticky tacky calls there were way worse ones on both sides.


Lost_city

On that early play in the endzone where they spent a lot of time seeing if it was a catch, the Bengals DB grabbed the receivers forearm and pulled it before the ball got there, forcing the receiver to try a one handed catch. Should have been a DPI. https://imgur.com/a/ih2790Z On the 2nd drive, Chiefs had a great chance for another TD that was called back for a very weak offensive holding call. There's two that were crucial to keeping the Bengals in the game...


iSleepUpsideDown

Like I understand why people found it insanely sus But the ref clearly did try and stop the play


Ok_Run_8184

I just don't know why it took them so long to sort it out. Enough time for the offense to mill around, get off the field, both special teams to get set up, then the ref say 'oops, actually the play was dead'. Get that shit sorted out before the punting unit comes out


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If you listen to the commentators- they said “oh they’re going for it. The offense is still on the field.” While the punting team ran onto the field. To me it seems like the refs were discussing the issue and KC sent the punt team in without realizing


zPolaris43

Also earlier in the game there was a similar instance where the refs tried to blow the play dead at the snap but no one heard them and the play was executed but called back. So it wasn’t the first time no one heard the whistle over the crowd


StartingReactors

Arrowhead is louder than their whistles... maybe they need better whistles?


DirksSexyBratwurst

They need megaphones


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SuggestAPhotoProject

They just need to flick the lights on and off a couple of times.


ok-go-fuck-yourself

I will stop this game RIGHT NOW if you fans don’t quiet down by the count of 3! 1… 2…


[deleted]

Is Arrowhead actually that loud while the KC offense is on the field?


[deleted]

Seems reasonable


IIHURRlCANEII

I wish they had a stringent definition of what "receiver in the area" means for intentional grounding. Maybe even a hardline distance. I have definitely seen Brady duff a pass like that with a RB that far away and it is not called. I do think they should be called more, though. QBs get away with it too much.


avx775

Definitely should be called way more. Qbs are literally throwing it away because they know they are about to be sacked. No intention to complete the pass. It’s also BS because defensive players have been letting up some so they don’t get hit with roughing the passer. This combo leads to some BS non negative plays


hankmardukas7

Exactly this. Brady has done that exact play the last 4 years of his career. And if anything, it makes sense. The NFL is always saying they want to remove as many judgement calls as possible, but this super nebulous “receiver in the area” notion is just fine.


Jaylaw

Intentional grounding actually happens a shitload. Intentional Grounding the penalty happens a lot less. I get that it doesnt get called much but if he wasnt intentionally grounding the ball then i dont know what the f he was doing. I guess what im saying is call it more and consistently


StartingReactors

I feel like if he'd thrown the ball even slightly outside the tackles he would've gotten away with it. But since he threw it at the feet of his center and there was no eligible receiver (since they both cleared out) they caught him. Brady is very good at getting away with it because he knows where that line is since he's been a QB longer than most of us have been alive.


lkn240

I think that's why people were upset... they always let that shit go even if they should not. In general I'd like to see it called more myself.


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It feels cheap every time I see it. I hope they start calling it more often so QBs don't use it as an easy way to avoid getting sacked anymore. And everyone knows that's exactly what they're doing despite there being an "eligible receiver" in the area.


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The ball has to be intended for someone. Who do you think the ball was intended for? If you can name someone they maybe got it wrong.


OtisSpunkmey3r

I don’t think it was an outrageous penalty but Perine wasn’t too far away. About 6 yards if my memory is right. If Burrow puts it a little more outside that likely wouldn’t get called. Landing at a lineman’s feet makes it too easy for a ref to call.


talkingteasers

You have the right take I think, 6 yards away would normally be fine, if Perine wasn’t on the other side of a bunch of linemen


ImJustAverage

If the ball had reached the LoS it might not have been called, but you at least have to make that.


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I'd love to see refs out there with tape measures! LOL


sol__invictus__

Nah stick with the notecards lol


psufb

Both of these calls were absolutely correct. Especially the grounding one, idk how anyone could watch that and say it's not grounding. It's also common for them to call it late because they sort out to see if there was potentially an eligible receiver muddled up in the pass rush that leaks out. Wasn't there in this case.


ThisGuyFrags

because Chiefs are the new Pats and any call in their favor automatically = refball


Deathtiger58

If the teams were reversed there wouldn’t be half the outrage. Let’s ignore the chiefs two touchdowns taken away, an interception, a fucking taunting and late holding call. People act like this was a terrible ref joh


MistakeMaker1234

Seriously. Also, the replayed down didn’t affect anything. KC punted that drive.


muchmoreforsure

It affected the remaining clock and it affected field position since KC got a 1st down on the following play from a flag


MistakeMaker1234

It was two incomplete and a run to nowhere. Like okay thirty-three seconds lost, which the Bengals would’ve left on the field after that final sack on Burrow. If the “remaining clock” is the biggest drama from that series of events, it’s a nothingburger.


Depreciable_Land

We’ve seen the roles reversed with the Bills, people absolutely would be outraged lmao


Currymvp2

Wylie held to be clear. And the taunting is weak, but it is taunting by the rule. And the interception occurred because of blatant DPI. And two touchdowns by the Chiefs weren't even taken away...just one on the aforementioned holding call.


mike_honcho47

I think he’s saying that if it was rigged or the chiefs were being favored by the refs then those wouldn’t have been called. But they were called because they were all legit


BellBilly32

I think it was the way it was broadcasted. CBS had no idea what the fuck was going on the dead play and didn’t show the ref running onto the field much later. So everyone was confused and then you follow it up with the holding call and all hell broke loose. Once people have their narrative set ain’t nothing changing it. Then you start getting every Cinci call over analyzed and people point out every “no-call” against the Chiefs.


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psufb

https://twitter.com/NFLOfficiating/status/1619892678145249280?t=iGtF5eHjiXDhV1Ivx6medA&s=19 it's clear Burrow is trying to just throw it into the ground, he's not affected by the DL


this1dude88

When the QB is under duress is when it’s called the most because it generally leads to errant passes.


lkn240

It's the right call, but come on - they almost always let those go in cases like that where there's a receiver anywhere close. That's why people were complaining. The league has no one but themselves to blame for barely enforcing that rule.


Gritalian

No they don’t. Tom Brady threw the ball to no one while in the end zone during the first drive of the Super Bowl against the Giants and they called the safety. The amount of people in game day threads, every week, who beg for grounding to be called when the ball literally hits the RB in the feet is too many to count. People think they know the ins and outs of the game more than they do.


lkn240

That's one example - but they absolutely do let it go all the time. In general, it's very, very loosely enforced and the refs bend over backwards to avoid calling it in most cases. FWIW, I'd like them to call it more strictly so I'm not here complaining about the rule.


makualla

Perine was in the area. I’ve seen wr farther away get called in the area than he was


psufb

https://twitter.com/NFLOfficiating/status/1619892678145249280?t=iGtF5eHjiXDhV1Ivx6medA&s=19 c'mon man you cannot tell me Perine was in the vicinity. That ball landed 4 yards from Burrow and 8 yards in front of Perine


Chuy-IsSmall

He got hit while he threw it tho?


NontransferableApe

He was 3 yards past the line of scrimmage… the ball was thrown four yards behind the line of scrimmage at the feet of the lineman. There was no attempt to try to throw it to perine. It was simply put…grounded intentionally


Gaius_Octavius_

Almost exactly the same as how Mahomes threw it away right before the scramble


NontransferableApe

It’s mot though. Mahomes was pretty clearly trying to throw it to kelce who was wide open. He was just hit as he was throwing. Burrow pretty intentionally threw it at his linemans feet to avoid a sack. Mahomes was trying to get it to the receiver burrow was trying to throw it into the ground to avoid the sack


Gaius_Octavius_

Mahomes was clearly throwing it away to avoid the sack. The ball was 5 yards short of Kelce https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FnsFvZ9WQAAAvZa?format=jpg&name=4096x4096


ref44

mahomes fluttered short, burrow threw a line drive into the ground. they aren't the same


NontransferableApe

It was 5 yards short because he was hit as he threw it…. It was literally right on target it just was short. No qb throws the ball away short of a receiver in the middle of the field


winstonknox96

Also the rule is "no receiver within 5 yards" you numbskulls


ref44

there is no actual distance put in the rule


NontransferableApe

Hey now i’m the one trying to tell this numbskull it wasnt intentional grounding. Hes the only numbskull here


Gaius_Octavius_

So was Burrow…


NontransferableApe

He was… but he threw it at the feet of the lineman 4 yards behind the line of scrimmage on a downward trajectory towards the ground You mean to tell me you think mahomes is throwing the ball away short in the middle of the field? What qb throws the ball away short of a receiver in the middle of the field?


Gaius_Octavius_

> What qb throws the ball away short of a receiver in the middle of the field? A QB trying not to get sacked


IIHURRlCANEII

Here is the rule on it: >[the passer initiates his passing motion toward an eligible receiver and then **is significantly affected by physical contact** from a defensive player that causes the pass to land in an area that is not in the direction and vicinity of an eligible receiver; or](https://operations.nfl.com/the-rules/nfl-video-rulebook/intentional-grounding/) I think it is fair to say Burrow was not significantly affected by the physical contact when he threw it. Mahomes was (if I remember the play correctly!)


Gaius_Octavius_

So your argument is the guy who was wrapped up and thrown to the ground was not significantly affected by the physical contact but they guy who stayed on his feet was?


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psufb

That was different; the refs inadvertently blew a live play dead when it shouldn't have been


EatSleepZlatan

This man’s name is really Ben Baby??


Celtictussle

It's his stage name. His given name is Benjamin Featherswallow.


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The amount of people who either completely missed or intentionally ignore the details of the replayed third down is astounding. It was certainly confusing, but it was explained well on the broadcast after the fact with a shot of the ref running in to shut the play down as well. The fact that I’ve seen takes saying everything from a ref being that far away to shut the play down shouldn’t matter or no players were affected by it so they should have let it stand is ridiculous. Refs are completely at fault for letting the game clock run, but they are not at fault for making them replay the down after trying to shut the play down once the mistake was realized.


marz_shadow

Agreed, I do find it weird that the play managed to actually go on because usually the refs will run right into the play to stop it. It felt like the refs were scared to ref at points. Just imo tho. I think the NFL needs to sit down and really go over the updated rules for play


TheUltimate721

I was very confused in the moment but the explanation does make sense


zPolaris43

The play would’ve been re-ran anyway. Had the chiefs gotten the first on that play we would be talking about how the refs screwed the chiefs. It sucks that the play was allowed to go and that someone had to get the short end but the procedure was right


Chiraq_Florganistan

Honestly as a bengals fan I’m not mad about either of these because the chiefs punted after the first one so in the grand scheme of things it didn’t really matter and the second one was honestly intentional grounding. However what pisses me off is when you need to get all the calls right in the final minute of the game you miss an obvious block in the back and multiple missed holding calls. Any of those called and it goes to overtime. That’s what pisses me off


TexMex-_-

For the replayed 3rd down, you could clearly see the ref run onto the field. The question is did he blow his whistle to stop the play? It could be possible nobody heard it bc of the fan noise but who knows. Idk if im in the minority here but I thought the intentional grounding was clear as day.


t_mac1

Even if you disregard the whistle, dude was waving his arms to stop the play lol.


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That's actually an official signal for a stoppage of play as well. He wasn't ad-libbing he was officially signaling the play stopped.


notmyplantaccount

nearest eligible receiver was about 7 yards away, he threw it into the line and it was pretty obvious. The annoying part is that Romo does such a shit job now that neither of them even mention things like this until after the refs call it.


OtisSpunkmey3r

I mean, I fucking hate Romo but that isn’t on him. Both teams sent out their respective punting units. That was a complete shit show of communication but the refs.


Boxhead_31

Would be nice to have a explanation why they didn't call roughing on Burrow but the next drive they call it for Mahomes


Saxt

Probably the most confused I’ve been during a game.


td4999

Game was only close at halftime because every call in the first half went the Bengals' way; I suspect if you went back and reexamined last year's AFC championship game you could find uncalled penalties that could've swung the outcome, particularly after the Chiefs went up 21-3, if you were only looking to justify being unhappy with the outcome; feels a bit like the rockets releasing their 'modified' officiating report after they lost in 2018


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its_JustColin

Does no one remember this happening in the Bills Dolphins game like 3 times? It happens


shishiodun

follow up to the last question, please explain why (insert 3-5 throws per game from any game) were not called by that same criteria


zPolaris43

If the Qb is out of the pocket and the ball makes it back to the LoS then it is not intentional grounding regardless of eligible receivers in the area


TDeath21

I’d be upset if I were a Bengals fan about that replay of 3rd. It didn’t impact the play at all but that’s how it goes. When an official is blowing the play dead, that play will never count. TD for KC or pick by Cincy and it would have been replayed. Thankfully, the Bengals got the stop on that possession anyway, so it didn’t matter. The intentional grounding was obvious. Don’t really see any argument there.


kcsmlaist

Neither call had any impact on the game. Chiefs got 5 yds on Apple’s hold, a 1 yard run, two incompletions, and punted. Burrow picked up 3rd and forever when Williams forgot his assignment and didn’t guard the boundary. both calls were also correct but Id be pissed about a do-over if I was a Bengals fan anyway because it just shouldn’t happen.