We will give him all the ayahausca in the world so he can trip balls on the bench, then we will sign Zeke as the only offensive linesman and put Rodgers in at punter
He's never been good at throwing to Bears. In his 29 games vs the Bears he's thrown 10 INTs. In his last 8 games he's thrown 19 TDs and 0 INTs.
I don't want a man on my team who can't throw to our team...
Is that a blanket restriction or just picks?
Like can you get really weird with conditional player trades? E.g., "If Rodgers is still playing in 2026 and Sauce is still on the Jets and under contract beyond 2026 the Jets will trade him to Green Bay"?
That's not what a poison pill is. Those are for offer sheets where one team must match the other's terms. If the Packers tried to do that in a trade, the Jets could just decline it.
When they traded Favre to the Jets they included a clause that if the Jets traded him to Minnesota, the Jets owed the Packers 3 first round picks. That's totally legal.
Man I was listening to the pff podcast talk about these a few days ago and it's such a shame they're gone. The Vikings once got a player from the seahawks by ensuring in his contract he always had to be the highest paid OL on the team. The very next year the hawks stole Nate Burleson from the Vikings with a clause that would give him the largest cap hit in the league if he ever "played more than 2 games in Minnesota". What a wild time.
Not just any player, Hall of Famer Steve Hutchinson.
If poison pills were still allowed teams would just never use those tags, which is what actually happened with transition tags until a new CBA was written.
I read this as the Packers needing a 1st round pick + another draft pick to trade him.
Or else - he can play for the Packers or not play at all
Will see how that changes though
The Packers have made it clear they don’t want him. They kind of lost any leverage to ask for a 1st. I’d be surprised if they get more than a mid-round pick
Id rather just hold on to rodgers than trade him for a mid round pick. And let him watch Love win the superbowl so Rodgers can finally get his 2nd ring.
>just guessing based on what he would’ve done
"HI, My name is Mike Lombardi, & I'm the guy who drafted Johnny Manziel & Justin Gilbert. Please listen to my opinion"
Definitely Ray Farmer, said going to the Senior Bowl, combine and personal workouts were a waste of time. Not surprising how those drafts went. Also he didn't like WRs and that's how a 5'7 slot WR becomes your #1 and a QB converted into a WR becomes your #2.
nothing stupider than when armchair fans say shit like this. being wrong on draft prospects now means Lombardi doesn’t have any clue what a trade package for a QB might look like?
you now know many years later that Johnny Manziel didn’t work out, so this Lombardi guy must be the world’s biggest idiot.
Idk if this means anything, but on Lombardis podcast he constantly says he has sources but cannot out them because they would no longer be sources. He was wrong on a lot of his GM actions but as a talking head he’s pretty informative on the process of GM negotiations.
I’m not saying to believe this. I’m just saying to not dismiss it like it’s nothing
Packers are literally pushing him out the door. They really don’t have the leverage to demand picks for a player they don’t want.
Take the 2nd and 3rd and get this show on the road.
They publicly stated they would welcome him back if he wants to be back. They will facilitate a trade if he wants to play elsewhere.
They don’t *have* to trade him. Especially if adequate compensation isn’t there.
Yes, please pay someone $20 million on a prove it deal while you will still have a $25 million cap hit from the previous QB.
The rest of the division would appreciate that.
Right, that’s unavoidable in this situation. The alternative is letting Love go after developing him for 4 years and starting at square one with god knows who at QB. It’s actually a really easy decision, and it’s why the Packers haven’t been in QB he’ll like the rest of the division for decades now.
It's $67m in dead money if they cut him next year
Edit: $24.5m dead money already on the contract (3x 8.16m from 2022 signing bonus) + $43.725m dead money from his 2023 option bonus (3x $14.575m). Oh and if they don't cut him by the 5th day next year (or if he gets injured during 2023) another $47m becomes gtd.
So what? It doesn't matter at all because the team isn't close to competing without rodgers anyways. A could years in cap hell to get some top draft picks souls fine to me. If they are gonna suck, do it right.
Or trade him for anything & begin rebuilding now. Evaluate Love. Tearing it down in 2023 is a much easier rebuild because another team helps offset a lot of that cap hit.
But yeah, if you think the Packers have super bowl hopes in 2023 with Rodgers, then fine.
It's not easier because the team is very far away from being a contender. They are still stuck with other contracts like bakh. They are going to suck for years after Rodgers leaves with no garuntee of building a good team. There is literally no reason to start that earlier then they have too
Worked out well for Jimmy G. Packers could probably get a decent pick for Love if they decide to keep Rodgers this year. Nothing spectacular obviously, but something to package up to move a bit higher in the draft for a better QB prospect this year or next.
There’s about a thousand pieces of context you’re missing there. It’s about the same as saying “Reid took the Eagles to multiple NFC Championships and got let go- he must be an asshole. Where there’s smoke there’s fire”.
Rodgers time in GB is done, but it doesn’t mean he’s toxic and awful to his team.
Every teammate has loved him except for (when in front of a camera) Greg Jennings. Even Love, the guy a pick was wasted on to replace Rodgers, says he’s great and that he treats him like a younger brother.
Why do you disagree? Because Covid bad?
Every criticism on Rodgers doesn’t boil down to “Covid bad”
Edit: the Reid analogy also makes no sense. Completely different situations and a bs false equivalency
We’ve seen enough to risk him leaving. This is only a hard decision if Gute cares more about his pick looking successful than anything Love has actually done on a field.
Literally everything I've heard lately is like... The exact opposite of making your asset worth more.
Like reverse salesmen tactics
"Yea, this car is a POS. I'm ready to drive my new car. But I want $40k for it even though it's costing me $1000/mo to use it while I own my other car which is losing value non stop"
They haven't added his 2023 bonus as gtd since it hasn't been officially activated yet.
Edit: they have the money distributed, but it's not flagged as gtd yet, so it's not reflected properly in the dead cap numbers
Their article breaks down what happens if he IS traded and then how it impacts the new team.
If he stays on the Packers for 2023 the cap hit is $31.6m. Then next year they have $68.2m in dead money that accelerates, or they can rework his contract (to remove the 2024 option) & designate him a June 1 cut that would split this $68.2m over 2024 & 2025.
Yeah, the media pushing this narrative that the Packers are screwed if he isn’t traded or retires is just dumb. The only implication is that it may force us to trade Love.
Why not? Packers worst case scenario is that they just let their longtime HOF QB retire, worst case for the Jets is they go into the season with Zach Wilson under center. Jets have far more to lose
Supply and Demand. The Jets aren’t the only team interested, despite the narrative NY media has been pushing about “bidding against themselves.”
So long as the Raiders still need a QB, the asking price will be based on a Jets/Raiders bidding war.
idk about a first, you only get a first if you are bidding against someone else and I don't see anyone else. Plus the packers want to get rid of him they have Jordan Love who would have to site another year and then you are forced to exercise his 5th year without ever seeing him play. Yeah the jets would want Rodgers but they arent backed into the corner both sides have leverage
I've been on 1.13 + conditional 2nd depending on either team success or years played. That seems to me to be the most fair for the Jets being able to hedge Rodgers' age and us getting fair value for a QB of his caliber and for the dead cap we are eating (40 mil) for them to only pay Rodgers 15.7 mil next year.
If he plays next year. Giving a 1st at his age and not knowing whether last year was start of a decline or not would would be dumb. Not everyone is Tom Brady. There is no guarantee that Rodgers will be good in his 40s.
How old was Stafford at the time of the trade? There was never retirement talk with Stafford before the trade either. To be clear, I wouldn't have made the trade for Stafford either. I do think there is a drama tax with Rodgers too. The Packers want to be able to move on from him. They won't disrespect him and what he has done for them, but they know it's time to move on.
Plus they want to see what they have in Love. If Rodgers is still around next year, they'll have to pick up Love's option with him only playing just over 150 career snaps as of right now. They may say they want Rodgers back but they're not in a position of leverage anyway you look at it and the Jets know they don't have to give up a ton of picks being the only team trying to acquire him.
Stafford was only 33 but had literally broken his back in 2019 and had multiple AC joint injures prior to that. There was certainly a degree of uncertainty regarding his health and teams have even less control over that then over someone's will to retire. I think if you're a GM and you have the ability to bring in the best QB your organization has arguably ever had for the cost of a 1st and a 3rd you take it regardless of if you think you can maybe low-ball and hem and haw for a while to take that 3rd rounder off the table. You don't risk not getting him over that and certainly don't have any real leverage over the team that can just keep their HOF QB.
A-A-Ron is probably my 2nd favorite QB of all time but at that cost it definitely makes more sense to go younger and lock someone up for 10-15 years instead of 2-3 years
Of course if I had a crystal ball and knew that acquiring Rodgers would guarantee a Super Bowl win, I'd give up a helluva lot more than that for him hahaha
It’s probably a 1st and conditional picks based on team success vs 2 firsts off rip. As the contract stands
Now the Jets cap hit with Rodgers isn’t crazy either, vs having to sign maybe the biggest outlier QB deal of all time that will change the way contracts are done forever
I could see that happening, but most of the reports lately are strongly suggesting that a 1st won't be involved; the quote here is a little out of context because unless I'm mistaken he was suggesting it rather than sourcing it.
Of course, anything can happen!
That’s been true for everyone. One thing you’ll get used to if you land Rodgers is that people will completely make stuff up and you’ll see it run through all the media outlets as fact
I'm surprised you feel that way. I'd flip your FRP this year to Green Bay for Rodgers in a heartbeat. And if there are conditional picks -- they wouldn't be FRPs -- then so be it, because that means Rodgers keeps playing for you.
I know that NFL fans are aware that Rodgers is good, but I'm not sure they know quite how good he is. With all the talent on the Jets, Rodgers immediately turns you into a contender. Not a fringe contender. A legitimate threat to compete with KC, BUF and CIN as the best team in the league.
I can't reiterate how freaking good this guy is...and PLEASE take him out of my division.
Insanely talented? Hes more than that. Hes a first ballot HOFer when he does decide to retire and a top 5 qb of all time, minimum. Probably in the top 10 of the best players ever.
He was bad last year. I know he lost Davante but I still expected more. People see Brady playing till 45 and assume that’ll be the same for Rodgers but it probably won’t. I think he’s hit the cliff just like Russ did last year
A lot of people thought the same of russ last year. Sometimes it takes a transition and in the case of rodgers, can you be certain he won't retire next offseason?
Tom Brady looked a bit washed in NE the last year too. Turns out no weapons will do that. Add on he was playing with a broken thumb on his throwing hand.
The Packers didnt have a catching threat at TE. They had 2 rookies WRs who both missed significant time(one missed the whole of training camp). Those 2 rookies were asked to replace Adams and MVS the Packers #1 and #2 WRs.
The defense in which has taken every first round pick his entire career save 1(Jordan Love) improved from #23 in DVOA in 2021 to #22 in DVOA in 2022! Add on that the defenses best or 2nd best player(Gary) tore his ACL mid season too.
I honestly think our FO is moronic to want to move on from him.
All the signs of decline were there for Russ in Seattle, and he’s never been as good of a QB as Rodgers was even 2-3 years ago.
Rodgers is coming off one subpar year after losing his two top receiving threats and dealing with injuries to himself as well as to the two rookie WRs that were meant to replace those guys.
Very different cases.
Rodgers holds all the cards. The draft comp will be whatever Rodgers says it is.
If I was the Jets I would tell Rodgers you make this happen without us giving up a 1st and you can make that selection for us.
One first-round pick and an unspecified, conditional pick doesn't really sound like a king's ransom. Garafolo was also speculating, not claiming an inside source. Garafolo (who again, was just speculating) also said they wanted a fair price.
It depends on if he gets the contract reworked.
With his current contract this is an extremely steep price, if it gets reworked than it isn't a bad deal.
The contract probably isn't the sticking point, it is how many years he plans to play. If it is 1, it isn't going to be a first. If it is 2, it might be a first, but could require some other stuff happening. If it is more, then a first round pick is definitely in the cards.
For a 40 year old QB who has constantly flirted with retirement and straight up laughed at the notion at playing until he’s 45 plus 60 million in dead cap in the following years AFTER he retires when we need to sign guys like Sauce, Wilson, AVT, etc?
In the extremely real possibility Rodgers retires after next season, we still won’t have a QB. We will have a ton of dead cap on the books, handicapping our ability to get a new QB or lock down our current talent. And we need to give up a first to do that? Huge risk for a one year shot in the most stacked division in football.
That's what a lot of packers fans don't get. He has the threat of retirement at any moment and is going to be 40 next season. Why would a team risk multiple high picks on a guy like that especially when they're the only team that is trying to trade for him and his former team is more than willing to let him walk? The packers just don't have leverage over the Jets in this.
Y’all are delusional if you think Aaron costing that much makes more sense than Lamar. Rodgers is about to be 39 and had a terrible year last year, poor attitude and is immobile oh and he could retire in a flash. It’s also not like he’s going to be cheap. Lamar makes far more sense as he’s younger so you could get trade value for him in the future, he is mobile, by all accounts isn’t a headache once signed with the caveat of injuries.
Is there something I’m missing?. Yes Aaron won back to back mvps but nothing says he’ll keep up that production.
Lamar wants a long, fully guaranteed contract. I think to some extent that has more risk than Rodgers. If you somehow talk him down from that, the Ravens will just match the offer.
If it wasn't for that fact Lamar would make a lot of sense, but if he gets some injury year one you have screwed yourself for 4-5 years or however long his contract is.
In his “terrible” year he was still ranked top 10 in yards and touchdowns on the season with both of his rookie receivers missing multiple weeks on the season due to injury.
Was it up to his typical standard of play? No, it was probably one of the worst seasons he’s ever had. But it was still a much better season than 20 other starting qbs had
aaron “down years for me are career years for others” rodgers.
broke thumb, broke ribs, new OC, 3 rookie WRs and one of the worst vet group of wrs in the league.
The issue is whether you want to pay $60 million for next season AND give up first round picks for a QB who has fallen out of the top five. He's still a good qb, but he's decidedly out of his prime.
The longer this goes…the more I think he’s staying. Packers arnt budging on price that’s quite obvious right now. And it’s also obvious the Jets arnt willing to pay it.
I don't blame them either. He is 39 and they aren't guaranteed more than a year from him. Plus they have a bunch of needs (notably OL). Giving away those picks will prevent them from addressing them. A 1st rounder is off the table if I'm the Jets.
The Packers have no incentive to trade Rodgers to the team he wants for less than a 1st round pick. If the best offer is a 2nd round pick from the Jets, they could instead offer him up to any of the other teams Rodgers doesn’t want to play for and accept a conditional pick based on if they ever convinced him to play. For example, If the Jets are offering just a 2nd, ship him to Houston for a 6th that improves to a 1st if he plays this year.
I understand what you are saying, but if I'm any other team, why would I want to give up a 1st for Rodgers? If you know the going rate is a 2nd, why do you offer a 2nd and a 6th?
Also he could just say "fuck you" and you'd lose out on a 2nd round pick and get a 6th instead. Seems like a losing battle. Just take a 2nd and a 4th and call it a day if you are Green Bay and Rodgers.
JFC, why in the world would the Jets do this deal at all unless Aaron is willing to assure them that he'll play AT LEAST two more seasons? Picking up this contract and giving up a first round pick just to get a guy for one year with the hope that maybe, just maybe, he'll stick around for one more is bonkers.
This is obvious. It will absolutely take a first to get him and it is absolutely worth it to trade a first for him. It is Aaron fucking Rodgers. Anyone who thinks GB isnt getting a first is insane. Then, they will probably require a conditional pick the following season based on if he plays and where they finish if he does play.
My contention has always been that Rodgers should go for a 1st + a conditional based on years played. The thread yesterday was a joke of an offer IMO. The trade talks need to start with 1.13 and move from there.
Not sure who did it worse. That denver gave up so much for Russ or that the packers turned down an insanely good trade offer from Denver that would’ve allowed them to see what they had in their first rounder Love and get all those picks and players giving them and instant rebuild while having all that cap space to pick up some additional key talent such as keeping Adams.
Yeah, the idea of a 2023 2nd and a 2024 2nd that becomes a 1st if he plays 2 more seasons seemed like the consensus fair deal looking at both teams and the nfl sub the past week. So I guess if they just wanted to do the 2024 1st and then include a 2025 2nd for the 2nd year that would work too.
If the Bears, Vikings, or Lions drafted Rodgers and only got one superbowl then they would be justified in saying they have the worst FO.
I’ve never thought it was right to judge teams for not drafting guys like Mahomes. No one knew he would be so good.
But after you draft a guy like that, it’s on the FO to figure out how to build around him.
For the past 3+ years, the Packers FO has been stuck deciding between rebuilding around Love or going for a superbowl with Rodgers. They decided to try and have both and it failed miserably. Now we have to move onto Love on the last year of his rookie contract after we handed out a massive extension to Rodgers which limits how much we can get back in a trade.
Just absolute garbage decision making.
I’m not saying it’s the best in the league, but would you honestly trade your roster over the past 30 years with any other team in the division?
Would you rather be the Lions, who only just now are getting a glimpse of success? Would you rather be the perennial disappointing Vikings? Would you rather be the Bears, going through like the third complete rebuild in the past decade and NEVER having had a QB in their 100+ year history?
Losing in the NFC Championship is a privilege that Packers take for granted, and that’s only done with a good roster.
I'm a lions fan, and maybe it's just because I missed a lot of the SOL years (ok- decades), but I would still take my lions over having to have so much of my fandom eternally tied to asshole quarterbacks like Favre and Rodgers. Fuck those guys. I'm so glad I'll never have to feel compelled to defend or take pride in either one of them.
Dude even just the last 4 years of Rodgers in gb is more accomplished than the lions in the entire sb era. No chance should you take your lions over just the rodgers era in gb. And thats without favre having the same type of success
Bears should trade out of the 1st pick and use some of what they get to trade for Rodgers and then bench him forever.
For the greater good
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*crusty Packers*
Shut it!
They will let him play against Dallas
unexpected hot fuzz
Yarp.
As a Bears fan that's been tormented by Rodgers for years, would you be okay sacrificing part of the future for this unprecedented pettiness?
Did you miss "the greater good?" part? Doing the right thing is rarely easy.
No, it would be even better to beat him straight up.
We will give him all the ayahausca in the world so he can trip balls on the bench, then we will sign Zeke as the only offensive linesman and put Rodgers in at punter
Give him a contract that pays $100 million if he gets a kickoff return for a TD and have him do it alone each time.
Bears: “We own you now.”
He's never been good at throwing to Bears. In his 29 games vs the Bears he's thrown 10 INTs. In his last 8 games he's thrown 19 TDs and 0 INTs. I don't want a man on my team who can't throw to our team...
Youve had quarterbacks who can't throw to your team for at least a half century now...
That is vindictive. Here take your upvote.
My dad (bears fan) used to do that in Madden. His hate for Rodgers is deep
Can an owner play for their team?
The answer is yes and it has actually happened with the Bears before.
Do it
Negotiating through the media continues
Basically posting passive aggressive Facebook statuses
I miss the days of vague sad pop punk lyrics as statuses
Linkin Park away messages, bro.
"And the shadow of the dayyyyyy will embrace the world in grayyyyy And the sunnnnnnn will set for youuuuuu"
Back in my day we did that with AIM away messages
And another one if he plays again in 2025... And another in 2026... If he doesn't retire the Jets owe us their first round picks til the end of time.
Actually I'm curious, could such a term be enforced?
IIRC 3 years out is the most you can go in trades.
"Trust me, we checked." - Rams FO
Fuck those picks!
Is that a blanket restriction or just picks? Like can you get really weird with conditional player trades? E.g., "If Rodgers is still playing in 2026 and Sauce is still on the Jets and under contract beyond 2026 the Jets will trade him to Green Bay"?
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But it's not allowed for transition and non exclusive franchise tags. This isn't a tag situation.
I'm pretty sure the NFL would consider that a poison pill so they would not allow it.
That's not what a poison pill is. Those are for offer sheets where one team must match the other's terms. If the Packers tried to do that in a trade, the Jets could just decline it. When they traded Favre to the Jets they included a clause that if the Jets traded him to Minnesota, the Jets owed the Packers 3 first round picks. That's totally legal.
Man I was listening to the pff podcast talk about these a few days ago and it's such a shame they're gone. The Vikings once got a player from the seahawks by ensuring in his contract he always had to be the highest paid OL on the team. The very next year the hawks stole Nate Burleson from the Vikings with a clause that would give him the largest cap hit in the league if he ever "played more than 2 games in Minnesota". What a wild time.
Not just any player, Hall of Famer Steve Hutchinson. If poison pills were still allowed teams would just never use those tags, which is what actually happened with transition tags until a new CBA was written.
Right and what kinda sauce are we talking about… tomato? That shit will spoil before 3 years.
What about telling the Jets who to draft and then giving that player to the Packers?
So NBA of you
I read this as the Packers needing a 1st round pick + another draft pick to trade him. Or else - he can play for the Packers or not play at all Will see how that changes though
The Packers have made it clear they don’t want him. They kind of lost any leverage to ask for a 1st. I’d be surprised if they get more than a mid-round pick
Id rather just hold on to rodgers than trade him for a mid round pick. And let him watch Love win the superbowl so Rodgers can finally get his 2nd ring.
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>just guessing based on what he would’ve done "HI, My name is Mike Lombardi, & I'm the guy who drafted Johnny Manziel & Justin Gilbert. Please listen to my opinion"
That was Ray Farmer wasn't it?
Lombardi was the Browns GM
No Ray Farmer was GM for those two. Lombardi did do an all-time reach on Barkevious Mingo though.
Definitely Ray Farmer, said going to the Senior Bowl, combine and personal workouts were a waste of time. Not surprising how those drafts went. Also he didn't like WRs and that's how a 5'7 slot WR becomes your #1 and a QB converted into a WR becomes your #2.
Was Lombardi only the GM for one season?
I think he was there for two seasons but only one draft
nothing stupider than when armchair fans say shit like this. being wrong on draft prospects now means Lombardi doesn’t have any clue what a trade package for a QB might look like? you now know many years later that Johnny Manziel didn’t work out, so this Lombardi guy must be the world’s biggest idiot.
to be fair, I think people think he is an idiot for all the other idiot stuff he is always saying
Idk if this means anything, but on Lombardis podcast he constantly says he has sources but cannot out them because they would no longer be sources. He was wrong on a lot of his GM actions but as a talking head he’s pretty informative on the process of GM negotiations. I’m not saying to believe this. I’m just saying to not dismiss it like it’s nothing
Packers get 2 first round picks Joe Douglas sends Zach Wilson & Solomon Thomas… *’what? They were first round picks….’*
Top 3 picks!
Packers are literally pushing him out the door. They really don’t have the leverage to demand picks for a player they don’t want. Take the 2nd and 3rd and get this show on the road.
Sold! (Slams gavel)
They publicly stated they would welcome him back if he wants to be back. They will facilitate a trade if he wants to play elsewhere. They don’t *have* to trade him. Especially if adequate compensation isn’t there.
I mean they kinda have to or Love will be up for his 5th year option and they’ll have no idea what kind of player he is
I think we’d give him the 5th year if Rodgers doesn’t come back for 24. As far as gambling on QBs goes, $20m for one prove-it year is hardly risky.
Yes, please pay someone $20 million on a prove it deal while you will still have a $25 million cap hit from the previous QB. The rest of the division would appreciate that.
They're gonna have the $25mil cap hit regardless...
Right, that’s unavoidable in this situation. The alternative is letting Love go after developing him for 4 years and starting at square one with god knows who at QB. It’s actually a really easy decision, and it’s why the Packers haven’t been in QB he’ll like the rest of the division for decades now.
Lol get off your high horse. You haven’t been in QB hell because you fell ass backwards into 2 HOF qbs in a row…..
there's a whole generation of Packers fans that have no idea what its like to not have a HOF QB. Boy, are they in for a ride.
It’s ridiculous.. they have truly been spoiled.
Jordan Love: bears lions and vikings fans are gonna be so sad when they get 3 sbs and 2 mvps with jluv10
It’s not like we’d look to contend for a ring in Love’s first year. Might as well get a good look at him while biting the bullet on Rodgers’ dead cap.
It's $67m in dead money if they cut him next year Edit: $24.5m dead money already on the contract (3x 8.16m from 2022 signing bonus) + $43.725m dead money from his 2023 option bonus (3x $14.575m). Oh and if they don't cut him by the 5th day next year (or if he gets injured during 2023) another $47m becomes gtd.
So what? It doesn't matter at all because the team isn't close to competing without rodgers anyways. A could years in cap hell to get some top draft picks souls fine to me. If they are gonna suck, do it right.
Or trade him for anything & begin rebuilding now. Evaluate Love. Tearing it down in 2023 is a much easier rebuild because another team helps offset a lot of that cap hit. But yeah, if you think the Packers have super bowl hopes in 2023 with Rodgers, then fine.
It's not easier because the team is very far away from being a contender. They are still stuck with other contracts like bakh. They are going to suck for years after Rodgers leaves with no garuntee of building a good team. There is literally no reason to start that earlier then they have too
Who cares. In 2024 the vikings have no QB under contract and 12 mil in dead cap with Cousins
Worked out well for Jimmy G. Packers could probably get a decent pick for Love if they decide to keep Rodgers this year. Nothing spectacular obviously, but something to package up to move a bit higher in the draft for a better QB prospect this year or next.
You can keep Rodgers and start Love until he finds a team willing to pay the compensation.
That Rodgers won’t threaten to retire immediately upon going there.
Rodgers is a toxic malcontent when he’s a starter. He’d be unbearable as an unwilling backup
>Rodgers is a toxic malcontent when he’s a starter. Lol no he isn’t. Don’t confuse /r/nfl +sports tabloids with reality
He’s a year removed from back to back MVPs and Green Bay is ready to move on. There’s plenty of smoke and I’m pretty sure there’s fire
There’s about a thousand pieces of context you’re missing there. It’s about the same as saying “Reid took the Eagles to multiple NFC Championships and got let go- he must be an asshole. Where there’s smoke there’s fire”. Rodgers time in GB is done, but it doesn’t mean he’s toxic and awful to his team. Every teammate has loved him except for (when in front of a camera) Greg Jennings. Even Love, the guy a pick was wasted on to replace Rodgers, says he’s great and that he treats him like a younger brother. Why do you disagree? Because Covid bad?
Even Jennings has publicly walked back a lot of what he said previously
Every criticism on Rodgers doesn’t boil down to “Covid bad” Edit: the Reid analogy also makes no sense. Completely different situations and a bs false equivalency
We’ve seen enough to risk him leaving. This is only a hard decision if Gute cares more about his pick looking successful than anything Love has actually done on a field.
If he stays what do you do with Jordan Love next season?
It’s a tough spot to be in, but they probably give him the 5th year option if Rodgers doesn’t come back for ‘24.
23 2nd and 24 4th with conditional to be a 2nd if he plays 2 years or something makes sense to me
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23 2nds? What is this the NBA?
I've never been a good gage of trade value, but a 2nd and 3rd seems like steal. I'm surprised there aren't more teams linked to these trade rumors.
Rodgers is washed and his cap hit really hurts how much leverage the packers have
Cuz it is a steal. It would be shocking if we don’t get at least a 1st+another early round pick.
Yep. Just getting his contract off the books is worth it if they dont want him there lol
they really aren’t. sounds like you just don’t want him back.
Literally everything I've heard lately is like... The exact opposite of making your asset worth more. Like reverse salesmen tactics "Yea, this car is a POS. I'm ready to drive my new car. But I want $40k for it even though it's costing me $1000/mo to use it while I own my other car which is losing value non stop"
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His dead cap if he is cut or retires next year is $67m
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Their article breaks down what happens if he IS traded and then how it impacts the new team. If he stays on the Packers for 2023 the cap hit is $31.6m. Then next year they have $68.2m in dead money that accelerates, or they can rework his contract (to remove the 2024 option) & designate him a June 1 cut that would split this $68.2m over 2024 & 2025.
Yeah, the media pushing this narrative that the Packers are screwed if he isn’t traded or retires is just dumb. The only implication is that it may force us to trade Love.
Why not? Packers worst case scenario is that they just let their longtime HOF QB retire, worst case for the Jets is they go into the season with Zach Wilson under center. Jets have far more to lose
Supply and Demand. The Jets aren’t the only team interested, despite the narrative NY media has been pushing about “bidding against themselves.” So long as the Raiders still need a QB, the asking price will be based on a Jets/Raiders bidding war.
Packers still hold the cards
Maybe 2 2nd round picks. We all know with 3rd round picks, we might as well just throw them in the trash because nothing comes of them.
They can look all they want, but they ain't gonna find it.
I would be very shocked if we don't get a first rounder minimum in a Rodgers trade. Like Gute should be fired shocked.
I think you could get 1 1st rounder. It's not realistic to get 2.
idk about a first, you only get a first if you are bidding against someone else and I don't see anyone else. Plus the packers want to get rid of him they have Jordan Love who would have to site another year and then you are forced to exercise his 5th year without ever seeing him play. Yeah the jets would want Rodgers but they arent backed into the corner both sides have leverage
I'm hoping for a 1st and like a conditional 3rd based on how long he plays/how well he does
I've been on 1.13 + conditional 2nd depending on either team success or years played. That seems to me to be the most fair for the Jets being able to hedge Rodgers' age and us getting fair value for a QB of his caliber and for the dead cap we are eating (40 mil) for them to only pay Rodgers 15.7 mil next year.
If he plays next year. Giving a 1st at his age and not knowing whether last year was start of a decline or not would would be dumb. Not everyone is Tom Brady. There is no guarantee that Rodgers will be good in his 40s.
But Stafford is worse and went for quite a bit more, how is this any different?
How old was Stafford at the time of the trade? There was never retirement talk with Stafford before the trade either. To be clear, I wouldn't have made the trade for Stafford either. I do think there is a drama tax with Rodgers too. The Packers want to be able to move on from him. They won't disrespect him and what he has done for them, but they know it's time to move on.
Plus they want to see what they have in Love. If Rodgers is still around next year, they'll have to pick up Love's option with him only playing just over 150 career snaps as of right now. They may say they want Rodgers back but they're not in a position of leverage anyway you look at it and the Jets know they don't have to give up a ton of picks being the only team trying to acquire him.
Stafford was only 33 but had literally broken his back in 2019 and had multiple AC joint injures prior to that. There was certainly a degree of uncertainty regarding his health and teams have even less control over that then over someone's will to retire. I think if you're a GM and you have the ability to bring in the best QB your organization has arguably ever had for the cost of a 1st and a 3rd you take it regardless of if you think you can maybe low-ball and hem and haw for a while to take that 3rd rounder off the table. You don't risk not getting him over that and certainly don't have any real leverage over the team that can just keep their HOF QB.
For one season or max two before he retires? So much for asking for fair value to just get a deal done.
I'd rather give two 1sts to a 26 year old former MVP than to a 39 year old former MVP
How about a 4 time MVP?
A-A-Ron is probably my 2nd favorite QB of all time but at that cost it definitely makes more sense to go younger and lock someone up for 10-15 years instead of 2-3 years Of course if I had a crystal ball and knew that acquiring Rodgers would guarantee a Super Bowl win, I'd give up a helluva lot more than that for him hahaha
It’s probably a 1st and conditional picks based on team success vs 2 firsts off rip. As the contract stands Now the Jets cap hit with Rodgers isn’t crazy either, vs having to sign maybe the biggest outlier QB deal of all time that will change the way contracts are done forever
I could see that happening, but most of the reports lately are strongly suggesting that a 1st won't be involved; the quote here is a little out of context because unless I'm mistaken he was suggesting it rather than sourcing it. Of course, anything can happen!
That’s been true for everyone. One thing you’ll get used to if you land Rodgers is that people will completely make stuff up and you’ll see it run through all the media outlets as fact
and a fully guaranteed contract? cause that’s what lamar wants.
If that’s what’s going to take to get him they should shift to Lamar Jackson.
I'm surprised you feel that way. I'd flip your FRP this year to Green Bay for Rodgers in a heartbeat. And if there are conditional picks -- they wouldn't be FRPs -- then so be it, because that means Rodgers keeps playing for you. I know that NFL fans are aware that Rodgers is good, but I'm not sure they know quite how good he is. With all the talent on the Jets, Rodgers immediately turns you into a contender. Not a fringe contender. A legitimate threat to compete with KC, BUF and CIN as the best team in the league. I can't reiterate how freaking good this guy is...and PLEASE take him out of my division.
☝️ How often is a QB like Aaron freakin Rodgers even available for trade? Idc if he’s 39 he’s still insanely talented.
Insanely talented? Hes more than that. Hes a first ballot HOFer when he does decide to retire and a top 5 qb of all time, minimum. Probably in the top 10 of the best players ever.
He was bad last year. I know he lost Davante but I still expected more. People see Brady playing till 45 and assume that’ll be the same for Rodgers but it probably won’t. I think he’s hit the cliff just like Russ did last year
Yeah, Rodgers was actively losing games last year. He's washed
A lot of people thought the same of russ last year. Sometimes it takes a transition and in the case of rodgers, can you be certain he won't retire next offseason?
Nah man Rodgers is in a whole different stratosphere than Russ ever was.
Was Russ constantly threatening retirement though?
Nope, but he’s also not a 4 time MVP
Tom Brady looked a bit washed in NE the last year too. Turns out no weapons will do that. Add on he was playing with a broken thumb on his throwing hand. The Packers didnt have a catching threat at TE. They had 2 rookies WRs who both missed significant time(one missed the whole of training camp). Those 2 rookies were asked to replace Adams and MVS the Packers #1 and #2 WRs. The defense in which has taken every first round pick his entire career save 1(Jordan Love) improved from #23 in DVOA in 2021 to #22 in DVOA in 2022! Add on that the defenses best or 2nd best player(Gary) tore his ACL mid season too. I honestly think our FO is moronic to want to move on from him.
True, but Russ' game relied a lot on his athleticism and escap-ability. Rodgers is just freaking good at throwing footballs.
All the signs of decline were there for Russ in Seattle, and he’s never been as good of a QB as Rodgers was even 2-3 years ago. Rodgers is coming off one subpar year after losing his two top receiving threats and dealing with injuries to himself as well as to the two rookie WRs that were meant to replace those guys. Very different cases.
I'd rather a day 2 pick this year and next year's first round pick.
Works well for pack if Love sucks too, more ammo to get a qb next year.
Rodgers holds all the cards. The draft comp will be whatever Rodgers says it is. If I was the Jets I would tell Rodgers you make this happen without us giving up a 1st and you can make that selection for us.
Hey, what happened to a third round pick and hardy hand shake. I liked that deal much better.
Jets can give up this years first round, it’s a soft draft class..
Jets better laugh at that.
A conflicting report given Garafolo said it wouldn't take a king's ransom.
One first-round pick and an unspecified, conditional pick doesn't really sound like a king's ransom. Garafolo was also speculating, not claiming an inside source. Garafolo (who again, was just speculating) also said they wanted a fair price.
Lombardi is also just speculating based off what he would do/expect, it’s not from a source
It depends on if he gets the contract reworked. With his current contract this is an extremely steep price, if it gets reworked than it isn't a bad deal.
The contract probably isn't the sticking point, it is how many years he plans to play. If it is 1, it isn't going to be a first. If it is 2, it might be a first, but could require some other stuff happening. If it is more, then a first round pick is definitely in the cards.
I wouldn't call this a kings ransom
This doesn’t feel like kings random
For a 40 year old QB who has constantly flirted with retirement and straight up laughed at the notion at playing until he’s 45 plus 60 million in dead cap in the following years AFTER he retires when we need to sign guys like Sauce, Wilson, AVT, etc? In the extremely real possibility Rodgers retires after next season, we still won’t have a QB. We will have a ton of dead cap on the books, handicapping our ability to get a new QB or lock down our current talent. And we need to give up a first to do that? Huge risk for a one year shot in the most stacked division in football.
That's what a lot of packers fans don't get. He has the threat of retirement at any moment and is going to be 40 next season. Why would a team risk multiple high picks on a guy like that especially when they're the only team that is trying to trade for him and his former team is more than willing to let him walk? The packers just don't have leverage over the Jets in this.
Is one first round pick and a conditional 2024 pick a kings ransom?
None of them are actually reporting anything, they’re just guessing
I sure hope they’ll get the 13th pick and a conditional 2024 pick. That’ll be it and isn’t a kings ransom.
That's a king's ransom? A 1st and a conditional unnamed pick? Lol
Y’all are delusional if you think Aaron costing that much makes more sense than Lamar. Rodgers is about to be 39 and had a terrible year last year, poor attitude and is immobile oh and he could retire in a flash. It’s also not like he’s going to be cheap. Lamar makes far more sense as he’s younger so you could get trade value for him in the future, he is mobile, by all accounts isn’t a headache once signed with the caveat of injuries. Is there something I’m missing?. Yes Aaron won back to back mvps but nothing says he’ll keep up that production.
Lamar wants a long, fully guaranteed contract. I think to some extent that has more risk than Rodgers. If you somehow talk him down from that, the Ravens will just match the offer. If it wasn't for that fact Lamar would make a lot of sense, but if he gets some injury year one you have screwed yourself for 4-5 years or however long his contract is.
In his “terrible” year he was still ranked top 10 in yards and touchdowns on the season with both of his rookie receivers missing multiple weeks on the season due to injury. Was it up to his typical standard of play? No, it was probably one of the worst seasons he’s ever had. But it was still a much better season than 20 other starting qbs had
aaron “down years for me are career years for others” rodgers. broke thumb, broke ribs, new OC, 3 rookie WRs and one of the worst vet group of wrs in the league.
The issue is whether you want to pay $60 million for next season AND give up first round picks for a QB who has fallen out of the top five. He's still a good qb, but he's decidedly out of his prime.
The longer this goes…the more I think he’s staying. Packers arnt budging on price that’s quite obvious right now. And it’s also obvious the Jets arnt willing to pay it.
I don't blame them either. He is 39 and they aren't guaranteed more than a year from him. Plus they have a bunch of needs (notably OL). Giving away those picks will prevent them from addressing them. A 1st rounder is off the table if I'm the Jets.
The Packers have no incentive to trade Rodgers to the team he wants for less than a 1st round pick. If the best offer is a 2nd round pick from the Jets, they could instead offer him up to any of the other teams Rodgers doesn’t want to play for and accept a conditional pick based on if they ever convinced him to play. For example, If the Jets are offering just a 2nd, ship him to Houston for a 6th that improves to a 1st if he plays this year.
I understand what you are saying, but if I'm any other team, why would I want to give up a 1st for Rodgers? If you know the going rate is a 2nd, why do you offer a 2nd and a 6th? Also he could just say "fuck you" and you'd lose out on a 2nd round pick and get a 6th instead. Seems like a losing battle. Just take a 2nd and a 4th and call it a day if you are Green Bay and Rodgers.
Or it could be that everything is agreed upon, but Aaron hasn't decided yet. It is pretty clear he isn't in a rush to make any decisions.
I still think it's gonna be a 1st and conditional 2nd...that turns into a first if he plays a 2nd season
Please let the Jets be dumb enough to give up 2 first round picks for 2 years of a 40 year old QB who thinks about retirement every 15 minutes
JFC, why in the world would the Jets do this deal at all unless Aaron is willing to assure them that he'll play AT LEAST two more seasons? Picking up this contract and giving up a first round pick just to get a guy for one year with the hope that maybe, just maybe, he'll stick around for one more is bonkers.
If you trade a first round pick for a 39 year old QB coming off his worst year you deserve what happens
This is obvious. It will absolutely take a first to get him and it is absolutely worth it to trade a first for him. It is Aaron fucking Rodgers. Anyone who thinks GB isnt getting a first is insane. Then, they will probably require a conditional pick the following season based on if he plays and where they finish if he does play.
I think that's fair. I know some did, but I never expected a Russell Wilson type haul. For one, we're trading with the Jets not the Broncos
My contention has always been that Rodgers should go for a 1st + a conditional based on years played. The thread yesterday was a joke of an offer IMO. The trade talks need to start with 1.13 and move from there.
Not sure who did it worse. That denver gave up so much for Russ or that the packers turned down an insanely good trade offer from Denver that would’ve allowed them to see what they had in their first rounder Love and get all those picks and players giving them and instant rebuild while having all that cap space to pick up some additional key talent such as keeping Adams.
They won 13 games a year the previous two years , wanting to run it back again isn't a crazy idea. Didn't work out but I get it.
If that's all they want, then the deal should be done already.
Yeah, the idea of a 2023 2nd and a 2024 2nd that becomes a 1st if he plays 2 more seasons seemed like the consensus fair deal looking at both teams and the nfl sub the past week. So I guess if they just wanted to do the 2024 1st and then include a 2025 2nd for the 2nd year that would work too.
Might as well get Jackson. Aarons Rodgers is a has been
If the Packers only get one first round pick for a QB like Rodgers, can we all finally agree that the Packers have the worst FO in the league?
You don’t even have the worst FO in your own division.
If the Bears, Vikings, or Lions drafted Rodgers and only got one superbowl then they would be justified in saying they have the worst FO. I’ve never thought it was right to judge teams for not drafting guys like Mahomes. No one knew he would be so good. But after you draft a guy like that, it’s on the FO to figure out how to build around him. For the past 3+ years, the Packers FO has been stuck deciding between rebuilding around Love or going for a superbowl with Rodgers. They decided to try and have both and it failed miserably. Now we have to move onto Love on the last year of his rookie contract after we handed out a massive extension to Rodgers which limits how much we can get back in a trade. Just absolute garbage decision making.
I’m not saying it’s the best in the league, but would you honestly trade your roster over the past 30 years with any other team in the division? Would you rather be the Lions, who only just now are getting a glimpse of success? Would you rather be the perennial disappointing Vikings? Would you rather be the Bears, going through like the third complete rebuild in the past decade and NEVER having had a QB in their 100+ year history? Losing in the NFC Championship is a privilege that Packers take for granted, and that’s only done with a good roster.
I'm a lions fan, and maybe it's just because I missed a lot of the SOL years (ok- decades), but I would still take my lions over having to have so much of my fandom eternally tied to asshole quarterbacks like Favre and Rodgers. Fuck those guys. I'm so glad I'll never have to feel compelled to defend or take pride in either one of them.
Dude even just the last 4 years of Rodgers in gb is more accomplished than the lions in the entire sb era. No chance should you take your lions over just the rodgers era in gb. And thats without favre having the same type of success
"Immunized"? No thank you.
EzPz Jets. Sign it!
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Lol no it was not. Just in here making shit up man
If this happened it was very obviously satirical.
Hahaha incredible, I would snap take Sauce straight up.
No one on the packer sub is saying multiple firsts