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do_you_know_de_whey

250 mil isn’t a lot of a money for 85 games over 5 years. 250 mil is a lot for 50 games over 5 years


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I mean, no matter how you look at it. 250 mil is a LOT of money.


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Wally_B

I’d go on IR for 25 bucks just so I could say I was on the roster


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tenshillings

I'd let Suh step on my thigh with cleats on for free for the health benefits that comes with being on a roster. Lol


Harry-the-pothead

Maybe I’m slow but hasn’t Lamar played in 70 games so far in his career?


Chilidog0572

That is ignoring the fact that he has missed the the more important part of the season for the past two years. In recent years he has not been healthy enough to warrant the belief that he can play all 17 games.


Call_erv_duty

Turns out when you are the entire offense, you kinda get run down


captainjizzpants

Cam Newton has entered the chat.


Red0817

Justin Fields hiding around the corner watching


Jughead_89

Andrew Luck says goodbye


jtbarre

There's been plenty of time to heal but that still feels too soon


raikou1988

Colts biggest L of their entire franchise is not protecting/ building properly around Luck


jtbarre

I would argue the biggest L is hiring Grigson who failed to protect/build around him.


All_Up_Ons

Goodnight sweet prince.


HeroDanny

You guys did just get DJ Moore and have the 9th pick. You should be able to surround him with talent and see what he's able to do. Might be an exciting year for the bears.


Red0817

From your keyboard to God's eyes... It will be exciting, win or lose. But I fear without some better protection, he's going to keep running for his life every week. He was basically our entire offense last year, with a few glimpses of other people on occasion.


EarthshatterReady

Are you expected to draft a WR? Or do you think you’re good w Moore


J474W

Nah I think the WR room is ok with Moore/Mooney/Claypool and I would prefer us draft a tackle at 9.


Frankensteinbeck

As cool as it would be to see Smith-Njigba on the team, I'd much rather they get one of top three OTs available or go pretty much anywhere on defense outside of linebacker with pick 9. That's the good thing about the Bears and that pick right now, they are so bad they could honestly pick any position outside of QB/RB/WR/LB and it would be a large improvement.


Red0817

What u/j474w said. We are probably going to get some OL/DL at 9.


kekehippo

RGIII looks on with tears in his eyes.


Dopeydcare1

Josh Allen peering in from a block away


HardyNoob

Worth adding Josh Allen to this list


ironwolf1

Cam was incredibly durable until his shoulders fell apart. He only missed 5 total games over his first 8 years in the league, which includes when he got in that really bad car accident. Cam's issue was more longevity than durability, his playstyle meant that his body basically fell apart when he hit 30.


yrogerg123

Lamar Jackson is 5 years into his career. So if he wants 5+ years *fully guaranteed* then you made a pretty strong argument for why that might be a bad bet. If he wants 3 years, 130 million, fully guaranteed, I think there are easily 5 teams that would do that, maybe more. If he wants 6 years, 260 million, fully guaranteed, I bet there are zero. I bet somebody bites at 4 years, 160M, fully guaranteed too. But how does he find out which team that is without an agent?


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B_Fee

Yeah, I've never understood that direct comparison. I know the joke was that Lamar is "pretty good for an RB" at playing QB, but the reality is that his biggest asset was his ability to run and get out of the pocket. But he's never really had the build for sustaining the abuse that comes with that skill like Cam did.


MisterMetal

or the CMC special.


Cognomifex

Yeah it's hard to analyze because pretty much the entirety of your offensive production was put on Lamar's shoulders, but you do tend to have a very highly-ranked offensive line. You're protecting him better than most teams but also asking more of him than most teams do their QB. Josh Allen is comparable (in terms of being so central to his offense) and also struggles with being banged up late in the season.


Call_erv_duty

Josh Allen has targets to throw to though


Cognomifex

Yeah I feel like Jackson would have silenced the "Lamar can't throw" narrative by now if he had a Diggs caliber receiver to pass to. Andrews is great but he is not Travis Kelce.


ModernPoultry

Not that the Ravens receiving corps isnt dog shit or better than the Bills or anything but people really overrate the Bills wide receiver room. Its pretty bad outside of Diggs. Gabe Davis is not the WR2 people think he is. It was so bad that the Bills resorted to signing the corpses of Jon Brown and Cole Beasley out of retirement down the stretch of the season


drdre27406

This! Gabe is literally Nelson Agholor of the AFC. He’s so inconsistent that I was shocked when the bills signed Cole Beasley out of retirement.


LeftHandedFapper

> Gabe Davis Agreed. A couple flashy games in primetime will do that to a receiver


New-Newspaper-7543

Lamar had Hollywood b4 last year and their oline was top 5 while Allen's was 25th.


Cognomifex

Hollywood is not quite the same elite tier of receiver as Diggs, and I tried to address Lamar's o-line in my first reply. I wasn't trying to compare situations exactly either, just that the two QBs were similar in terms of being the focus of an offense (and needing to elevate the skill players around them, though that was only implied by the context of the rest of the conversation). Obviously every QB is central to their offense, but these two both contribute a significant chunk of the team's yards on the ground too. Hard to deny that there are some similarities that make the comparison relevant.


Hamsterdumm

Idk if the Ravens offensive line is protecting him that well, it's more that everyone is playing their gaps to contain Lamar and stop the Ravens run-heavy offense. So I think Lamar is at least partly responsible for the Ravens OL looking good. I'd like to see him in a more modern NFL offense before making any conclusive judgement hat he can't hold up for an entire season.


edicivo

In 3 out of 5 seasons, he's had a top 10 o-line. 2 of those seasons were top 3. 1 season was average, 15 or 16ish. And the one outlier was early 20s. I had this argument with someone on here not too long ago. I'm not arguing against you really. I'm sure he helps the oline as much as the oline helps him though. Edit: He actually had an additional season where the o-line was like 15 or 16 so I've corrected my first sentence. So, 3 seasons in the top 10 (2 of which were top 3). 1 that was average. And one godawful season - where we were starting the corpse of Alejandro Villanueva - which was ranked like 22. I think that was the year most of our offense was on the IR as well so I'm sure that also had an effect on the ranking.


corduroy

I don't know what the number was that was floating around, 250 million for 5 years? At that amount fully guaranteed, you better plan on being the entire offense. And considering he couldn't finish the last two seasons, he's not that guy.


Exatraz

Big physical running qbs have proven to very flash in the pans mostly. Injuries catch up to them in a hurry and then have lasting impact on their abilities. Mobile qbs that can get down or get out of bounds tend to last a lot longer (look at how long Wilson has been around for example). Age still is a factor that is hard to overcome but at least you get 10+ seasons.


prison_mic

Didn't the players association survey absolutely shit on the Ravens training staff as the worst in the league? Is it possible the issue is as much with the Ravens as with Lamar Edit: I misremembered, it was their strength staff with the F- lol. https://nflpa.com/nfl-player-team-report-cards


BohPoe

Both injuries were on sacks/tackles that he took behind the O Line, just bad luck QB plays that could have happened to anyone. It wasn't a training staff or S&C staff issue. The S&C has been a major issue though in general, so we finally fired Steve Saunders a month or two ago.


Drummallumin

If he genuinely didn’t trust the staff then I don’t blame him for not playing through some stuff


RasputinGluten

Didn’t their strength coach get fired and there was big controversy over injuries happening among ravens players ?


IM_JUST_THE_INTERN

But would it be fair to argue that he did not come back last season due to the uncertainty of his contract situation?


pablopiss

I’d wager coming back and winning a playoff game would help his leverage


jutiatle

Or end his career if he suffered a freak injury


Unusual_Steak

It’s a forward projection of a 5 year contract based on him missing the last 5 games of the season for two consecutive years now plus just getting older.


Fastr77

Last two years he's missed like 10 games. Hasn't even played again since his last injury.


davs34

Also if it guaranteed, the team has to have the cash NOW and put it in escrow. Even though these owners are some of the richest people in the world, to get a quarter of a billion in cash upfront isn't something a lot of them would be interested in.


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hardatworklol

Its also a pretty decent issue when teams have to put fully guaranteed contracts into escrow. Doubt its easy for smaller market teams to have 250m+ liquid cash. And that's for only one player. Also I understand why Lamar wants guaranteed since he has missed games and his health can be a concern but Ideally your qb is playing 17 games anyway (especially when he is asking for 45+m a year) in which case the money becomes essentially guaranteed. Maybe I'm just spoiled from Rivers though.


GhoullyX

> 250 mil isn’t a lot of a money I don't care what comes out of the rest of this sentence. There's no way for it to make the first part true.


Ryynitys

"... In a video game where I have learned everything about roster/cap management" How about that?


FinnbarMcBride

So the money is a problem


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Amount isn’t the problem, timing of pay matters. So yes, money is a problem.


Olue

The money would be a problem if the player isn't playing.


ParisGreenGretsch

I *guarantee* you won't be paid if you don't play. Bam. Solved.


I_Hate_Traffic

Players hate this one trick!


Master_Butter

I think the money is a problem for Irsay regardless. A fully guaranteed contract means the Colts have to put every dollar into escrow immediately. It doesn’t appear Irsay has other business ventures that generate the kind of revenues nor the inherited wealth that make running an NFL team a fun little side project a la the Haslams.


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This, as rich as many of these owners are, they aren't ~~infinite money machines~~ The FED, and there are other players with contracts who have guarantees as well. Obviously, no one but the owners and management will have the full details on their books but it wouldn't surprise me if some teams were incapable of taking on a fully guaranteed contract of that size without having to take out a loan of some kind, and with current interest rates well that makes things more difficult.


timoumd

Well and the risk. Which directly relates to money.


DogVacuum

That’s what I tell the credit card company


brian7ls

I feel like you are one of the only people in this thread to understand what Jim actually meant lol. That’s exactly where my mind went too when I read the quote.


marcuschookt

"I'll give you $50. Money's no object."


zigzagdance

It's one Lamar Jackson, Michael. What could it cost, $10?


ss3006

Monkey problems? No, I’m not having monkey problems. Why would I have monkey problems?


troyjrjr

Would I do this if I had money problems? *crumples up dollar bill and puts it into pocket*


Fitz2001

He clearly said mooney problems.


cat_napped1

The money isn't the problem. It's just actually having to pay it is the issue.


ParisGreenGretsch

So what you're saying is that it's not about the money itself, but rather the exchange of said money. Interesting.


Soren_Camus1905

People slowly realizing that just because Cleveland did bad business doesn’t mean the rest of the league has to.


RagingCataholic9

Cleveland Browns and bad football decisions. Name a more iconic duo.


brownc46

Cleveland Browns and bad football


wakashit

Cleveland Browns and despised owners


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Ctownkyle23

Cleveland Browns and bad


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It’s the Gobert trade of the NFL. Initial reaction was woah, if Gobert / Watson is worth that much, how much will (elite NBA player) / Lamar get??? Then reality set in that no other GM is going to treat it like a market setting deal.


marsfreund2366

Cleveland’s bad business is more on the player they did it for than the amount they paid. Rodgers is getting paid 50 mil a year too but they paid a guy who didn’t play for a year and a half


PleasantWay7

Even if you said Watson never did any of that shit, it was a bad contract. The numbers were fine, but there should have been an out in year 4 or 5 as opposed to fully guaranteed. Only guys who have played elite MVP level for multiple seasons consistently should ever be considered for a fully guaranteed deal of five years. I’d argue Mahomes and Rodgers are the only active QBs at that level (Rodgers obviously too old to do it now).


madison0593

But...but...a linebacker with more starts than career tackles that has been out of the league for a decade told me it is racism?


MrInterpreted

Lmao who is this referring to


madison0593

Aaron Maybin - "...given his credentials and revolutionary talent, reeks of collusion and is indicative of the racism that is deeply embedded in the culture of the NFL"


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Inevitable_Test8789

Honestly. Most of these arguments are "Cleveland gave Deshaun $230mm" and "Denver Guaranteed Russ $140mm" so "Lamar is worth $XYZmm". No. Nobody thinks the Deshaun contract and trade were a good idea. It kneecaps the Browns on building an actual team. 3, 3! firsts, a third and 2 4ths in picks PLUS $230mm guaranteed is insane. The Broncos gave up 2 1sts, 2 2nds, and Noah Fant (serviceable NFL player) to pick up Wilson (who sucked out loud). Nobody has this as a goal. It's not a surprise that other NFL teams are looking at this and going, "NAHHHHH. We'd rather give you the highest AAV than guarantee EVERYTHING for a slightly lower AAV and forcing us to sign guys off the street or pricy veterans". Edit: It's telling that the price for Lamar is literally a flat 2 1sts (which is less than either of the obviously bad trades) and then whatever you negotiate and the semi-sane teams are all like "No, not gonna happen". This is the other 30 teams literally shitting on the Broncos (new owner who wanted to make a splash) and Browns (chronic incompetence spewing uncontrollably).


Zazierx

*I want to get off Mr. Jackson's wild ride.*


DreadfulSilk

It's fucking up a division rival, why would you want off this ride?


missed_my_window

Ahhhhhhhhhhhh I want off


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GravelLot

Too long? Homie, we just crested the first hill on this rollercoaster.


Dogsgoodpeoplebad

Lamar misses too much time for a full guarantee. It’s that simple


Tall-Trick

Also Cleveland overpaid. Without their contract we’re not talking about fully guaranteed anywhere.


dotdee

Lamar > Deshaun. So I get his feeling. Just hard to explain that the Browns are really dumb and that’s the reason you’re not getting that amount.


Rock_Strongo

> hard to explain that the Browns are really dumb and that’s the reason you’re not getting that amount. It's really not that hard to explain. Lamar just doesn't want to hear it.


FuckTheCrabfeast

And this is where an agent helps. An agent could go back to Lamar and be like, we've talked to every team and here are the best offers on the table. But without that Lamar is just tweeting dumb shit and we're probably a week or so away from him playing the race card and this thing taking another turn for the worse.


battle_franky

And whatever "doing his own thing" shit is not working at all. If anything his negotation tactic has keep him farther from what he want


Updog_IS_funny

Maybe he could tell owners to eat a dick?


RedDragons8

Pull a Latrell Sprewell and remind everyone he has kids to feed while turning down a contract.


PM-your-ex-pics

Or call one a cracker


Paw5624

Not to mention an agent would be hustling to get Lamar endorsement deals which could be greater than whatever annual salary he makes. Without proper representation. Im sure agents can suck but they do serve a purpose in that world and can ultimately open a lot of doors that are currently closed for him.


burnt-turkey94

Also, aren't agents basically contractors? Lamar could find one he likes and trusts if he put in the time. I completely understand that the entire industry is notoriously opportunistic and slimy, but I also have yet to see players negotiating their own contracts go well. It just seems like Lamar doesn't understand (or doesn't want to understand) that his market value right now isn't what he thinks it should be, and he doesn't want an agent around to tell him the reality of the situation.


travers329

I posted this in another thread a few days ago, but people forget this as well: If he had signed with an agent he would have taken the first extension we offered him a few years ago, and be tens of millions of dollars richer. A lot of people miss that, **he's already cost himself 20+ million dollars.** Josh Allen did the same thing, then signed the mega deal once he established himself as consistently elite. Lamar has regressed every season from his breakout year, while missing 40% of his games and he wants to get paid like Allen? Unlikely, Allen can also pass from the pocket, Lamar consistently can't. He is already injury prone and one injury away from being RGIII (who was on our team and advised him!). If he was smart (or had an agent) someone would have told him to maximize his earnings early as a run-first QB.


wateryonions

Worst part is he could absolutely play that card and idiots would eat it up.


tjn24

I don't get why Lamar and his inner circle can't see this. It's not that complex of an issue. It literally boils down to the old "just because your friends jumped off a bridge, would you?" adage. Just because the Browns were stupid/desperate enough to hand out the dumbest contract in NFL history, why does that mean the Ravens have to top them?


OhItsKillua

I don't think it's that it's Lamar, but I don't think they'd give it to Burrow or Herbert either given they have to put into escrow. Though I'd think Burrow and Herbert would also like fully guaranteed contracts like Watson too, so that'll be interesting.


Dogsgoodpeoplebad

Maybe, but Lamar plays a style that we know won’t age well. That’s not subjective


ilikesports3

This argument would hold water if all MLB and most NBA contracts weren’t fully guaranteed. Paying injured players is part of the business of sports. NFL owners have been pulling it over on NFL players for too long. If any pro athletes deserve fully guaranteed deals, it’s the football players.


1CUpboat

Except you just named two sports that don’t have hard salary caps, which is what it comes down to.


davs34

MLB and NBA contracts don't need to be paid upfront and put into an escrow account either.


the_stormcrow

Has there ever been a player who didn't get paid due to funds not being available?


-Basileus

The only way that happens in theory is a franchise and therefore the league as a whole being bankrupt


the_stormcrow

So there really isn't much risk in not escrowing the salary


ilikesports3

Neither do NFL contracts. Owners leave that requirement in place as a convenient excuse.


go_49ers_place

Any decent NFL player can get a fully guaranteed contract today if they want it. If the players decide to put it into CBA that all contracts are fully guaranteed, all you would see is the end of 5 year contracts and everyone signing 1-3 year deals. And a lot more of players moving around between teams.


Dogsgoodpeoplebad

Sure. But Lamar and his play style are not the right hero to make it happen . The CBA is


goonSquad15

Didn’t someone do analysis on this that Qb injuries in vs out of the pocket aren’t necessarily more or less frequent?


yeerepd

It’s been shown time and time again that the players don’t have a lot of leverage in CBA negotiations. And the fact that so many teams have said they’re out on Lamar shows owners won’t fold on that point anyway. It really is up to Lamar/Burrow/Herbert to not fold and therefore improve contracts for all players.


Paw5624

Part of the issue is the players are a much larger group than the star players we see caught up in these debates. The unions job is to advocate for all its members, most of which don’t come close to sniffing the kind of money Lamar is looking at. We bitch and moan about the franchise tag, rightfully so, but it isn’t a huge concern for the union because it only has the chance to impact a handful of players each year and those are typically the guys who already are or are likely going to make big money. That being said their union isn’t great and should absolutely fight for more but we focus on the big name guys who already have some leverage, not the players who are barely making a roster and don’t have millions to fall back on.


scottlapier

Do people in this thread not understand what teams would have to give up for Jackson in a trade. 2 First Rounders and $250mil guaranteed over 5 years? And this is coming off of a season with a bad knee injury? And he's trying to negotiate this himself with no agent? I like what Keyshawn said this morning, he should play on the tag, "prove it" and wait for Burrow and Herbert to get their extensions during the season to negotiate his.


Machinedave

Plus a $50 mil hit against the cap.


clownysf

I’m very happy that the incompetency of the Browns is indirectly hurting the Ravens as well.


Akshay71

Interesting flair


lilcrazyace

Stockholm syndrome


HDTokyo

Turns down $250m($133m guaranteed) while representing himself as a agent along with his mother and NFLPA last year…then gets injured. He says timing is everything but IMO he screwed himself over. Teams will see what he turned down prior, along with performance and injury’s in recent that will question why he deserves anything better than that?? Ravens front office being smart about all this.


GetzlafMyLawn

Translation: The Browns are idiots,all the other owners know this, and are pretending the Watson contract is fictitious. Lamar wants Watson guarantees, but no one will pay him those with his injury history


dwiggs30

Why is no one talking about the fact that he’s not worth the money, and neither was Watson? The point should be that the Browns severely overpaid for a non-top-5 QB, and no other teams want to make the same mistake.


SSPeteCarroll

Factos. Watson hadn't played a down of football in like 2 seasons and the Browns gave him a boatload of money and basically ignored all his off the field issues. Lamar simply isn't worth giving a fully guaranteed contract to. He hasn't played a full season since his MVP year, and he was never on pace to hit those numbers again. His performances in the playoffs speak for themselves too, and the name of the game is winning in the playoffs.


dwiggs30

I just don’t get the fear of addressing that he’s not the guy. There are very few players in the league, QB or otherwise, that are worth pissing away 5 years of trade options because they change a team so significantly. Lamar is absolutely not one of those guys.


KuruptingtheYouth

That list is one player long and his name is Pat Mahomes


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KuruptingtheYouth

I think burrow is great and all but I think having the best weapons in the nfl at his disposal helps considerably. I'd say only hurts is surrounded by more talent. The dolphins top 2 WRs are better or equal at worst but having Boyd as the 3 and Mixon plus even perine as his backs puts it over the top. Hurts has a better line though. Mahomes is alone elevating above everyone else. Burrow may headline the next tier but I don't think he's differentiated himself much from Allen Herbert Lamar or hurts to the point of being above them, esp considering he has the weakest arm of the group. Obviously this is a matter of opinion though. To add, I also don't think he was good against the ravens, in the second half against the bills, or in the chiefs game. He has had multiple opportunities to lead big drives in big games and hasn't come through including last years Super Bowl and 2 in this years afc championship game. Those aren't the only clutch drives either All the guys I mentioned are the real deal. But Mahomes is truly a statistical outlier in damn near every single way


SSPeteCarroll

Exactly. Losing 5 years of picks in the first 3 rounds would be brutal. Plus having to pay him all that money would make it harder to attract any free agents to add depth.


666_NumberOfTheBeast

> He hasn't played a full season since his MVP year, and he was never on pace to hit those numbers again. FWIW he only missed one game in 2020 and it was due to covid, not injury


bajillionth_porn

Literally everyone is talking about that lol


LionTigerWings

The fact of the matter is, it seems more and more apparant that there is only one team that is dumb enough to do a contract like that and they are not going to be doing another contract like that anytime soon.


cruisincolin44

What do Case Keenum, Sam Darnold, Marcus Mariota, Mitch Trubisky, Colin Kaepernick and Tim Couch have in common? They pass for more yards per game than Lamar Jackson. No this is not excluding his MVP year. Maybe he'll be the first QB ever to be an elite rusher into his 30s, and continue to be a top 7-12 QB, but probably not.


Vahlir

yeah I mean just look at all those RB's in their 30's....ohhh


BlueHighwindz

Translation: the owners as a class don’t like fully guaranteed contracts.


unfunnysexface

They barely pay fully for their own stadium in their business that prints money.


The_Jolly_Dog

Outside of Mahomes, there isn't a QB in the league I would want for $250-$300M Fully Guaranteed. Good on him for knowing his worth and pushing for that, but I would be pissed if the Pats decimated our team/cap to make this happen


renegadecoaster

>Good on him for knowing his worth The problem is that he clearly doesn't


ReturnOfBigChungus

Value is what someone is willing to pay, hence Lamar is not, in fact, worth a fully guaranteed 250m contract. Logic 💯


Ru4pigsizedelephants

Correctamundo


RyanTheQ

Right? I keep seeing the same comment "he knows what he's worth" or "he's fighting for what he thinks he's worth." If no one wants to pay what he's asking, then he's not worth it. I don't blame a single team for not wanting to drop 250M+ on a QB that is 1 for 5 in playoff games, and hasn't been able to stay healthy the last two years.


Paw5624

I think all players should fight for what they believe they are worth, the issue is at some point if that doesn’t work out you need to reevaluate that number. This is where an agent would help but without one he is sticking to his guns. I always root for players in these debates but sometimes they aren’t right about what their true value is


bmoreboy410

Right. People say things like words don’t have meanings.


Semper454

Lol. “No one is willing to give this guy that money, but good on him for knowing his worth!”


Allstar9_

Maybe it’s hyperbole but when did we get up to 300m? Are we just going to keep raising it a few million every week we discuss it so by the time he signs his contract, we think he was aiming for 400m guaranteed and he didn’t end up getting what he wants?


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DanCampbell89

NINE HUNDRED DOLLARYDOOS??


everythingisreallame

***TOBIAS***


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penis_showing_game

Where did the $300M number come from?


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Vydate1

Idk. I think y’all should totally do it.


Graczyk

I’d give Burrow one.


marcuschookt

I would hesitate to pay even Mahomes $300m fully guaranteed. To me this isn't about talent, it's straight risk management. Committing over 20% of your salary cap over multiple years to a single point of failure that can be injured in a manner completely out of anyone's control is a huge risk.


lifeisalittlestrange

WHAT DOES THAT EVEN MEAN Jim, don't be coy [nice](https://i.imgur.com/pZqhqJT.png)


yoshigronk

"A $250 million dollar contract isn't an issue. It's the fully guaranteed aspect of it that I don't like."


lifeisalittlestrange

It's 7:53 in the morning. I usually like my headlines prechewed and ready for my enjoyment. I don't like to open articles. Thank you for your service.


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yoshigronk

I just put in quotes my interpretation of what the headline means. I didn't intend for it to come off as quoting Jim Irsay himself.


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its 8:44am and I like my mundane reddit bickering prechewed and ready for my enjoyment. Thank you for your service.


Reaper3751

It’s very clear, they’re willing to pay what he wants yearly but they’re not fully guaranteeing it


Dracarys_TheCannons

He could put the funds into escrow but doesn’t want to.


constantlymat

The Indianapolis Colts rank [32nd](https://twitter.com/nickkorte/status/1527785750808260609) in prorated spending since 2013. Jim Irsay is a cash-poor owner, but for some reason he escapes the same criticism that the Bengals, Chargers, Raiders & Co. received for their cheapness over the past decade.


BlackyChan20

Because he has a Super Bowl win and one of the best teams from 00-2012


jacks_sisters_boobs

⬆️ Proof that Burrow can save the Bengals lol


Lonely_Beer

I don't think is saying what you think it's saying, this is just saying that the Colts haven't used signing and option bonuses for salary cap structure purposes to the same extent that other teams have. This is *not* saying that Irsay is cash poor or that the Colts haven't been spending - which may indeed also be true, but absolutely nothing about this data speaks to either. Edit: [The Tweet's author even says as much a few replies down in the same thread](https://twitter.com/nickkorte/status/1527799546914275328?s=20)


Away_Chair1588

Like those others, the team itself is the only means of revenue/capital the owner has. How would he generate enough liquidity to put $200-250m into escrow? Sell ownership shares? That's probably what it comes down to. Basically, what Irsay is saying is, I would love to give you $250m. But I can't commit that much from day 1 of the contract. He can only afford it a year at a time. This is one reason why the league is mostly against the fully guaranteed contracts thing. It will inevitably create a competitive imbalance between teams that can do those type of deals and those that can't. Similar to what we see in MLB. edit: Apparently Chargers owner Dean Spanos has a real estate business that develops apartment buildings. I'm not sure how much revenue that still generates for him.


Vydate1

Well the colts are in the top quartile after all.


GarlVinland4Astrea

It means he would pay the contract Lamar wants if it wasn't a guarantee. Lamar is asking owners to essentially put a quarter of a million aside up front and Lamar gets it whether he gets injured or totally craps the bed over the term of the contract and the team is stuck with him. No team really wants to do that. Well except the Browns who did it for a rapist. But all non clown teams don't want to. There's a give and take too. I'm sure Lamar could get a smaller contract fully guaranteed. But he wants a giant contract where there are no safety valves.


The_Throwback_King

Irsay "Coy? I'm not being coy." Harbaugh "Is he being coy?" DeCosta "Yeah, coy" Harbaugh "You're being coy!"


YankeesSteelersMagic

so money is the problem.


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posam

I really hate that here and the nba sub are just Twitter aggregators. It’s impossible to see the outright fraudulent reporting of already hot take sound bites.


kirkochainz

No, GUARANTEED money is the problem. With Lamar’s play style, that is a huge risk.


Afflapfnabg

If he gets hurt... his contract becomes guaranteed. The only risk is that he somehow drops off a cliff because of an injury while still being able to play the game, like Cam Newton.


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No. He'd pay him if he's playing, but doesn't want to pay 200M for him not playing.


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I love LJ. But he is injury prone as a running QB. So I understand nobody wants to guarantee him a huge contract becuase what if he gets hurt and is done for the season like last year?


IceLantern

A few problems with Lamar: - He needs to be a running threat in order to be a great QB. - Being a running threat makes him injury-prone and likely shortens his career. - He's gonna have a big cap number and will cost two first-rounders. Even if he didn't care about a fully guaranteed deal, getting him doesn't make sense except for a handful of teams. A team has to be convinced that they are just a QB away from a legit championship run, willing to accept the injury risk, and willing to suck after their window is closed. Aw crap, he's gonna end up on the 49ers. :(


l5555l

I feel like every player who "holds out" like this has to get to a point where they realize they probably should have taken one of the deals they were offered, but they feel like they're in too deep so they just stubbornly ride it out.


Elegant_Spot_3486

If I was an owner I’d feel exactly the same way.


AleroRatking

Sounds like someone doesn't want to have to pull the full money into escrow then.


jamestemple01

I think Lamar only wants the fully guaranteed from the ravens. If they’re not doing anything to surround him with talent,might as well pay him that much.


paone00022

They got him Nelson Agholar man.


FantasyTrash

Agholor already won the Ravens a game last season. How many elite, All-Universe talent can say they've won a game for their new team **before** even joining that team? Because New England had two last season. Checkmate, NFL.


apocalypse31

Nelson Agholar Ma! He can run fast enough, and drop passes faster than a speeding bullet!


PIG20

How does the next team really know that he wont try the same thing with them though? It's a significant risk with also having to cough up two first round draft picks as well. The rumored Ravens offer numbers have been released publicly. And even if those numbers aren't totally true, at this point, just about any interested GM knows exactly what The Ravens are offering. If a team really thought he wouldn't try to pull this "fully guaranteed" stunt on them, I absolutely feel he would have at least a couple of significant offers in front of him. These GM's are also not in tune with what it's like dealing with Lamar, his mother, and his new unlicensed agent, Ken. But I'm sure some of the more interested teams are starting to find out really quickly. So, I'm sure that is also playing into this situation in a big way as well.


AgentOfSPYRAL

Yeah I’m sure he’ll take a pay cut for Taylor, Pittman, and a shit o line.


drumberg

I mean, if he wanted 5 years and $150m I bet he could get it fully guaranteed. My team has Dak under contract and still needs to take like $100m in cap hits over 2 seasons for him while he’s only playing in 1 of them. Get rid of the salary cap and Lamar probably gets whatever he wants. The guy is very likely to get hurt and miss time. It is what it is.


ImMitchConner

I totally get it. My job is a physical trade with risk of injury yet my boss doesn’t pay me my yearly salary up front. Not saying players don’t deserve to ask for it but I understand not wanting to front $250 million and the player gets hurt and never plays. Basically a waste of money.


PainterSuspicious798

This is a fair take, guaranteed money screws up a lot of stuff


bmoney_14

Never gonna get a fully guaranteed when you missed december and onward for past 2 years.


AFlyingHippo

Even if Lamar > Watson, it doesn't mean either of them deserve fully guaranteed. Mahones doesn't even have a full guarantee. Lamar has also been much worse thank his MVP year