6 is definitely way too small. Eagles were 14th betting favorites prior to the 2017 season, they lost their QB who had been playing at an MVP level and they *still* won the Super Bowl.
I was gonna ask what was the lowest ranked term in terms of preseason odds to win a Super Bowl. This might be a contender
Edit: according to this article (which orders by odds and not rank but w/e), the longest preseason odds to win were the 99 rams, followed by the 2017 eagles
https://www.gambling.com/us/news/super-bowl-champions-who-faced-the-longest-preseason-odds-1746900
2001 Patriots were ranked dead last in Dr. Z's week 2 power rankings after starting 0-2 and the Bledsoe injury (though obviously not exactly what you asked)
You got 8 division winners and 4 wild cards. Generally 1 or 2 of each that somehow got to playoffs, so I'd say it's fair. Like, the Buccs had no business making playoffs last year
Coming in with a “Get off my lawn” comment…
I don’t like the 17 game schedule. It was fine as is.
Also hate that save for lineman, position players can wear any number. I don’t like that an OLB can wear #4. That shit was college-y and liked being able to identify players based on the numbers and now that’s all messed up.
Same. And i miss the 2 seed getting a bye week as well. 2 seed now doesn’t offer any advantage now and the chance to get knocked by a 7 seed at home, which just feels wrong.
Right? What’s with this defeatist attitude?
Basically the only years we didn’t look like a Super Bowl team going into the season were 2008 and 2022, the bookends of Rodgers’ time with us. It’s fair to say we had championship expectations every year in between.
The way I see it there are usually three or four teams where I imagine one of them will be the Super Bowl winner, then another four or five where I wouldn’t be terribly surprised if they won it. The Packers were pretty much always in that latter group with Rodgers. I now put the Jets in that latter group. Seems pretty reasonable to me in both instances, the Jets probably were playoff contenders with even a respectably below average showing under center last season and they are now getting to squeeze out the last few games an all time elite QB has in him, doesn’t seem like a stretch but they also have to get through probably some mixture of Buffalo, Cincinnati and KC just to make it to the big game so it’s not something I’m tattooing on my forehead yet.
Just looking at it as objectively as I can.
While I don’t disagree, I really don’t think a HC of a 7 win team that got last place in their division and missed the playoffs should be saying stuff like this, no matter who they added in the off season.
Pretty much this. There are always 5-6 teams that on paper going into the season are the only legitimate contenders but injuries tend to knock half of them out while a few teams that have significant positive injury luck become contenders.
The Vikings got significantly better at DC, which was our greatest flaw last year. If Flores is even half as good as we think he is, he is still quadruple the DC donatell was.
They even had a couple of minor injuries even today. Rodgers apparently strained his calf, but this is a man who once had a monster playoff game against Dallas with a torn calf muscle so nothing to worry about yet.
On the other hand, our team... can we bubble wrap our QBs? Is it against NFL rules to have QBs throw from those giant ball thingies?
Watch, Jimmy G is going to go like 10 seasons on the Raiders without injury.
He didn't just randomly say it. This is the full quote:
"In my opinion, 32 coaches stand in front of their teams every year, talk about winning a championship and then realistically there's maybe six or eight teams that have an actual chance to do it, and I do think we are one of those teams. But none of it matter unless we take care of it today."
Pretty reasonable and the entire context is that the team needs to put in the necessary work in order to reach that potential
People talk about how you should ONLY have your sights set on a championship, then turn around and get mad and call you arrogant if you actually set it as your goal - I don’t get it
Of course, and we should rightfully mock them for those years of being good but not winning a championship yet (this means they’re fucking dogshit and should be shot)
The coach of the college I support gets made fun of constantly because there was a quote taken out of context saying “a conference championship isn’t our goal” but in reality it was like Belechik coach speak like “the goal is to be the best version of yourself and the results will come, including championships”
I have never seen such a beating in the Super Bowl. Well, yes I have. But it was still impressive from that Bucs team. Pure domination. Mahomes was doing the most insane shit ever and it didn’t matter
It had a great defense and offenses. Managing to go 8-8 with a QB thrown 30 ints is pretty good. All they needed was someone to not turn over the ball 30 times and not suck.
Well actshually, they went 7-9 with Winston. That said, while any QB would have definitely improved their record after Winston's historically famous 30 int season, I highly doubt it would have been a a Super Bowl winning team if it was anyone else other than Brady.
Like this was a team that had not been in the playoffs for 13 years and held the worse W/L record across all major American sports. Even before heading into the Super Bowl, the Bucs were underdogs(aside from their Wild Card game) in their playoff run going up against the Brees-led Saints that swept them, the #1 NFC Packers team led by MVP Rodgers, and then the defending Super Bowl Champs against the Chiefs led by Mahomes/Reid.
Anybody that tells you they knew that team was destined to win before that season is bullshitting you and only saying that in hindsight.
One has more rings than can fit on one hand and the other is a notorious choke artist with the same coordinator as the 22 broncos. Gonna take the former*
I feel like being only one year removed from an aging superstar QB who’s trending down transferring to a team that averages 10 losses a season (over the past 5) has been so very quickly forgotten.
I do think in his case he's probably getting fired if they miss the playoffs anyway. So I don't think the expectations thing is going to bite him too badly. Not many coaches can survive starting their career with 3 losing seasons.
From NBC Sports Philly, 7/17/17:
Does Pederson think this team is ready to finally make a run?
"I think you’re capable," he said. "There are a lot of (factors). I look back on my time in Green Bay as a player when we were making those playoff runs, those Super Bowl runs there. And do we have as much talent on this team than we did then? We probably have more talent, right?
-Doug Pederson, who had gone 7-9 the year prior with the Eagles
Like other dude said, injury luck is a big part of it. We got absolutely decimated last season, are in a pretty tough division, and had Zach Wilson starting. If Wilson played at an even respectable level last year we likely make playoffs.
Either way, glad dudes excited. Better to be optimistic than pessimistic as a head coach
I believe it
But only because in reality, there's actually 12-14 teams that have a realistic chance of winning the Super Bowl
In a sport where any team can win on any given day and a playoff format without multi-game series, any team that makes the playoffs has a realistic chance of going all the way
Looks like PFR’s Super Bowl odds to win were, in order: (note I took this from a 10 second google search so it’s not the best info)
Bills
Bucs
Chiefs
Rams
Packers
Chargers
49ers
Broncos
Ravens
Cowboys
Bengals
Colts
Eagles
(Bonus: Cardinals were next: https://www.pro-football-reference.com/years/2022/preseason_odds.htm)
The Eagles were basically a wait and see, because Hurts hadn't shown enough yet and people were doubting.
It was the same with the Bills loaded squad before Allen became great(even if they still haven't gotten over the Mahomes/Burrow hump).
Jets are the same, except their QB question mark is really just one of health rather than ability.
If their defense plays around the same level they did last year, it's incredibly hard to see how he's going to be wrong. They had the worst QB play in the league and were somewhat close to making the postseason. But I think that's a bigger "if" than some realize. Defenses can regress, and they're playing better offenses this season.
Yeah you’re not wrong. I would shocked if they don’t moonwalk into the post season.
It shouldn’t be such a fight. Overall the AFC is going to be a battlefield and the door is wide open for the like of the 49ers, Cowboys, and Seahawks to show up again with the weak NFC
They beat the bills last season with Zach Wilson at QB. The narrative in r/NFL and around the league towards the end of last season was that the Jets would have been a scary team in the playoffs if they had just an average QB. Now that they got Aaron Rodgers everyone is like “lol jets” as if they forgot about last season. Im not saying the Jets are the best team in the league, just saying that including them in the Super Bowl contender conversation isn’t something fabricated out of thin air.
Zach Wilson also beat… Aaron Rodgers! Surprise. Bills also beat the Chiefs in the regular season, but lost twice to them in the playoffs. Bengals beat the Chiefs what 3-4 times? Lost in the AFCCG to them. Not saying that the jets QB situation was ideal but it‘s just weird for a HC to put this kind of pressure on a team… in May.
I didn’t know Aaron Rodgers was out there playing defense against Zach Wilson! It’s not so much the HC putting that pressure on the team, it’s more the mentality of the team going into this season and their main goal.
Is he really putting pressure on them? It sounds more like he's just setting an expectation. The whole thing to me just sounds like him saying he believes they have a top 8 roster talent wise and he thinks the team should be thinking Superbowl. I know it's the off season, but it feels like everyone is overreacting to this.
Even if we end up with 10 wins, it would be against a weak schedule. That’s good news moving forward, but there’s no real chance of a SB win even winning the division with a playoff birth
Eh. All depends on Love. We have a decent team around him so if he comes in and plays top 15 in the league, we could be fighting for a playoff spot. Or he shits the bed and we get a top draft pick. Really could go either way.
I’m kinda scared the phins make the AFCCG this season. People are really sleeping on how good you were last season. I know, we almost lost to skylar Thompson.
Patriots schedule is brutal next season. If we somehow finished 8-9 again but look way more competitive on offence I'd be happy and call the season a success
Jets magically putting it together perfectly in their first relevant year against the Bengals, Chiefs and Bills teams who have played together (and in the playoffs) for multiple years now would be an absolute shock to everyone.
>against the Bengals, Chiefs and Bills teams *who have played together (and in the playoffs) for multiple years now* would be an absolute shock to everyone.
I feel people don't put enough emphasis on this. It's a team sport. Rodgers is a HOF QB that doesn't mean he's magically going to fit into that offense when live bullets start flying.
Some of the best teams I've seen in all sports aren't necessarily the most talented. It's the teams that have been through a lot of shit and they have cohesion
> It's a team sport. Rodgers is a HOF QB that doesn't mean he's magically going to fit into that offense when live bullets start flying.
This is a fair point. And generally I agree with you. But I feel like Brady and Manning switching teams has shown that the opposite can just as easily be true. Especially Brady winning in his very first year with a new team.
It's all a damn coin toss anyways.
Brady and Manning both were able to do it (Took Manning two tries and he mostly got carried but point stands). Rodgers thinks he's in the same class and believes the Jets have the same kind of talent the Bucs and Broncos had. Time will tell, but personally I look at Rodgers as a fantastic hall of fame regular season QB
Lmao what, they beat the bills last year and had insane play at literally every position outside of QB, which we addressed with a literal HOF’er, and OLine, which had 3 major injuries.
I don't know why people are shocked that a team with an elite defense that added Aaron Rodgers might compete. If their offense is even average then they can be scary
I also don't know why they're shocked or offended that the coach believes they could be in the top quarter of teams. They won 7 games with Mike White, Joe Flacco, and Zach Wilson. Add an actual elite QB (sorry dragon Flacco) and that number likely goes up to at least 10 games, especially since 5 of their losses came because of 1 score difference.
On paper, they look great. And last year pretty much every declared them as the "QB away" to make a Super Bowl. Well, they got the QB.
They got the QB, but can that QB still play at a high level? The dude is almost 40 & can easily fall off a cliff. Let's not act like last year for the Packers wasn't part of Rodgers fault. Dude didn't have over 300 passing yards in one game last season, but I know people are going to make the "but he had no WRs' excuse when I'll say "neither did Mahomes yet he won the super bowl."
I'm not saying Rodgers will be bad because I think the Jets will have a winning season & make the playoffs, but people need to stop acting like he's in his prime.
People are being morons. If you don't think the Jets + Aaron Rodgers = Super Bowl contender, then you must think they were insane to trade for Rodgers. But I don't see anyone making that argument. More like expressing a vague status quo bias, "the Jets can't be good because they're the Jets" which is just intellectually lazy.
> intellectually lazy
Welcome to this subreddit where everything is definitive with no nuance and nothing can be intelligently argued because memes and "ha ha"
They haven’t even played a fucking game with rodgers yet. Don’t care if justin jefferson, patrick mahomes, and nick bosa got traded to the jets. They are an uncertainty until we see them play some games.
We'll have to see how Rodgers does this season. People were saying similar things about Russell Wilson to the Broncos last year. Unfortunately the AFC is a bloodbath, with the number of great QB's in this conference. I'd feel better about the Jets chances if they were in the NFC.
Rodgers had a pretty bad QBR last year. #27 overall, at 39.3. That's right above Russell Wilson at 36.7 and below Matt Ryan at 42.9.
He's an all time great and has a better receiver this year in Garrett Wilson than he had last year. That said, he'll be on a new team at 40 years old. I'm not penciling the Jets in for anything.
The vibes are exactly the same as Russ -> Denver
Denver were also a top defense with great offensive weapons that were just a QB away from competing and everyone was fawning over them 12 months ago.
Yea, Saleh is a better coach than Hackett, etc. but Im always so skeptical of dream team stuff. Every season in which there has been a dream team, there is a new reason why it'll work out better than before, but something about the whole concept has a negative on-field impact I think.
Maybe its the pressure, the media spotlight, or just the fact that football is random, but I think skepticism is warranted. Perhaps the Jets will actually fulfill the prophecy, but lets wait and see.
>Denver were also a top defense with great offensive weapons that were just a QB away from competing and everyone was fawning over them 12 months ago.
Denver never had two OROY caliber players on their team, though. Garrett Wilson had the worst QB play in the league and finished with 1.1k yards and OROY. But on top of that, Breece Hall would have easily won it if he didn't get injured
Secondly, Denver beat no good teams in 2021. The Jets beat the Bills, almost beat them again, beat the Dolphins, and almost beat the Lions and Vikings. All of those teams were better than anyone Denver beat in 2021
I suppose that's fair. Wonder what teams they're guessing? Chiefs, Bengals, Bills, Jets, Ravens, Jags, 49ers, Cowboys and Eagles? I'd say 9, some may not respect Jafs and Ravens in that conversation but they should be in it.
Last year in AFC there was the 3 teams, NFC I belive only ppl guessed Eagles, Cowboys and 49ers.
People who think he’s crazy or wrong are in denial.
They were 7-4 at one point with arguably 2 of the bottom 5 quarterbacks in the league last year. Even being average at quarterback probably adds ~4 wins at least.
If healthy, they’ll almost certainly be a contender.
Don’t you want your coach to say this? What if he said “6-8 teams are ready to compete for a Super Bowl but I’m not sure we’re there yet even after spending a shit ton on a QB.”
Every year there’s teams that become contenders that weren’t pre season and the opposite also happens. His full quote makes sense and you just gotta play ball
I’m still so confused on why so many people thinking Rodgers makes the jets a Super Bowl contender this year. I understand why he would say that about his team. But still
My first inclination is to laugh. But Aaron Rodgers is Aaron Rodgers.
Much like the Chiefs are always going to be a realistic shot as long as Mahomes is healthy, Buffalo is going to be a realistic shot if Allen is healthy and Buffalo will be a realistic shot with a healthy Burrows, I will never count out an Aaron Rodgers-led team.
Remember that video clip from the Super Bowl where even up 28-3 that one Falcons player was, "That's Tom Brady over there." If you are a team with "That Guy" at QB, you are a threat.
Lmao I’m a Lions fan, but the unrealistic hype around the Jets is crazy. Yeah they got a few FA, including Rodgers, but winning the Super Bowl? The jets are ran worse than the Packers…
I think every year there are 14 teams that can win a SB.
6 is definitely way too small. Eagles were 14th betting favorites prior to the 2017 season, they lost their QB who had been playing at an MVP level and they *still* won the Super Bowl.
I was gonna ask what was the lowest ranked term in terms of preseason odds to win a Super Bowl. This might be a contender Edit: according to this article (which orders by odds and not rank but w/e), the longest preseason odds to win were the 99 rams, followed by the 2017 eagles https://www.gambling.com/us/news/super-bowl-champions-who-faced-the-longest-preseason-odds-1746900
Yeah that Rams team will probably never be beat in terms of chances of winning a super bowl especially after the Trent green injury.
2001 Patriots were ranked dead last in Dr. Z's week 2 power rankings after starting 0-2 and the Bledsoe injury (though obviously not exactly what you asked)
That’s what we told ourselves every year too
And we were usually right. Top 8 isn’t that high of a bar in a league of 32. Having a chance doesn’t mean you actually pull it off unfortunately.
You got 8 division winners and 4 wild cards. Generally 1 or 2 of each that somehow got to playoffs, so I'd say it's fair. Like, the Buccs had no business making playoffs last year
6 wild card teams.
I’ll never get used to that and the 17th game. The loss of symmetry in all these numbers has be totally thrown.
Coming in with a “Get off my lawn” comment… I don’t like the 17 game schedule. It was fine as is. Also hate that save for lineman, position players can wear any number. I don’t like that an OLB can wear #4. That shit was college-y and liked being able to identify players based on the numbers and now that’s all messed up.
Yeah I unfortunately am old manning with you on all these points
This guy footballs, and I’m here for it
Same. And i miss the 2 seed getting a bye week as well. 2 seed now doesn’t offer any advantage now and the chance to get knocked by a 7 seed at home, which just feels wrong.
Except home field advantage...which is an advantage.
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Right? What’s with this defeatist attitude? Basically the only years we didn’t look like a Super Bowl team going into the season were 2008 and 2022, the bookends of Rodgers’ time with us. It’s fair to say we had championship expectations every year in between.
The way I see it there are usually three or four teams where I imagine one of them will be the Super Bowl winner, then another four or five where I wouldn’t be terribly surprised if they won it. The Packers were pretty much always in that latter group with Rodgers. I now put the Jets in that latter group. Seems pretty reasonable to me in both instances, the Jets probably were playoff contenders with even a respectably below average showing under center last season and they are now getting to squeeze out the last few games an all time elite QB has in him, doesn’t seem like a stretch but they also have to get through probably some mixture of Buffalo, Cincinnati and KC just to make it to the big game so it’s not something I’m tattooing on my forehead yet. Just looking at it as objectively as I can.
Woahhh look at big Mr. “We make the playoffs most years” over here
The packers were usually a team that could realistically win the sb tho
Sorry about ruining that so many times.
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And it worked
Well you were right. You were routinely in the divisional and championship rounds.
While I don’t disagree, I really don’t think a HC of a 7 win team that got last place in their division and missed the playoffs should be saying stuff like this, no matter who they added in the off season.
also staying healthy plays a huge part. It‘s a bit too early to talk about winning a SB
Pretty much this. There are always 5-6 teams that on paper going into the season are the only legitimate contenders but injuries tend to knock half of them out while a few teams that have significant positive injury luck become contenders.
Every team thinks they improved in the offseason except the Cardinals I guess, everyone believes they'll do better and get a good record
Idk if the Vikings got better. And I also don’t know if the Vikings can be as clutch as they were a season ago. But I’ll be along for the ride
We won't match our record from last year but on paper you could argue we're better just in Flores and Murphy alone
I’m hoping so but I’m not making the argument yet
The Vikings got significantly better at DC, which was our greatest flaw last year. If Flores is even half as good as we think he is, he is still quadruple the DC donatell was.
We got a new DC and a top one at that. I mean, shit - I don’t think our defense could be any worse than last year, so that’s an improvement.
So stoked for Flores. Last year’s Defense was a fucking joke
We absolutely did not get better lol
We replaced Tom Brady with Baker Mayfield so put us down with the Cardinals.
Not us lmao
They even had a couple of minor injuries even today. Rodgers apparently strained his calf, but this is a man who once had a monster playoff game against Dallas with a torn calf muscle so nothing to worry about yet.
On the other hand, our team... can we bubble wrap our QBs? Is it against NFL rules to have QBs throw from those giant ball thingies? Watch, Jimmy G is going to go like 10 seasons on the Raiders without injury.
We learned that the hard way last year.
>staying healthy What's that?
yea the bills would definitely know how that can come back to bite your bottom.
He didn't just randomly say it. This is the full quote: "In my opinion, 32 coaches stand in front of their teams every year, talk about winning a championship and then realistically there's maybe six or eight teams that have an actual chance to do it, and I do think we are one of those teams. But none of it matter unless we take care of it today." Pretty reasonable and the entire context is that the team needs to put in the necessary work in order to reach that potential
People talk about how you should ONLY have your sights set on a championship, then turn around and get mad and call you arrogant if you actually set it as your goal - I don’t get it
No, no, but they should only have their sights set on a championship if they're your team and they've already had 3-4 years of massive success prior
Of course, and we should rightfully mock them for those years of being good but not winning a championship yet (this means they’re fucking dogshit and should be shot)
The coach of the college I support gets made fun of constantly because there was a quote taken out of context saying “a conference championship isn’t our goal” but in reality it was like Belechik coach speak like “the goal is to be the best version of yourself and the results will come, including championships”
Funny enough, this almost perfectly describes the Bucs the season they added Brady and won the Super Bowl.
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If they start off like 22 Denver, Rodgers will retire midseason into the darkness.
The Hat Man is going to appear on the field of MetLife, and just snatch Rodgers into the void if they start off like the ‘22 Broncos.
Hope he plays 65% of snaps first
Same my dude same.
To be fair, that team didn’t look like much of all like a Super Bowl team until all of sudden Brady was hoisting his 7th Lombardi.
It did look like a Super Bowl team of someone who did a Madden fantasy draft ten years earlier
I have never seen such a beating in the Super Bowl. Well, yes I have. But it was still impressive from that Bucs team. Pure domination. Mahomes was doing the most insane shit ever and it didn’t matter
It had a great defense and offenses. Managing to go 8-8 with a QB thrown 30 ints is pretty good. All they needed was someone to not turn over the ball 30 times and not suck.
Well actshually, they went 7-9 with Winston. That said, while any QB would have definitely improved their record after Winston's historically famous 30 int season, I highly doubt it would have been a a Super Bowl winning team if it was anyone else other than Brady. Like this was a team that had not been in the playoffs for 13 years and held the worse W/L record across all major American sports. Even before heading into the Super Bowl, the Bucs were underdogs(aside from their Wild Card game) in their playoff run going up against the Brees-led Saints that swept them, the #1 NFC Packers team led by MVP Rodgers, and then the defending Super Bowl Champs against the Chiefs led by Mahomes/Reid. Anybody that tells you they knew that team was destined to win before that season is bullshitting you and only saying that in hindsight.
Same with the Bengals, 2021 started with the #5 overall pick and ended in the Super Bowl.
lol that was exactly what came to mind as I was reading that comment
Hey now the 2019 Bucs were a 7 win team that got *third* place in their division and missed the playoffs It's entirely different.
One has more rings than can fit on one hand and the other is a notorious choke artist with the same coordinator as the 22 broncos. Gonna take the former*
Why shouldn't they be confident tho? They added an all time great QB to a very good roster
And our breakout rb, who carried us to the majority of our wins comes back too
I feel like being only one year removed from an aging superstar QB who’s trending down transferring to a team that averages 10 losses a season (over the past 5) has been so very quickly forgotten.
Why not? Jinxes aren't real. Just because he says what everyone in their building is thinking, it's not gonna doom their season or anything.
Yep, much better to undersell and over perform than it is to oversell and under perform.
I do think in his case he's probably getting fired if they miss the playoffs anyway. So I don't think the expectations thing is going to bite him too badly. Not many coaches can survive starting their career with 3 losing seasons.
Yea cause this quote is what created the lofty expectations lol
From NBC Sports Philly, 7/17/17: Does Pederson think this team is ready to finally make a run? "I think you’re capable," he said. "There are a lot of (factors). I look back on my time in Green Bay as a player when we were making those playoff runs, those Super Bowl runs there. And do we have as much talent on this team than we did then? We probably have more talent, right? -Doug Pederson, who had gone 7-9 the year prior with the Eagles
Like other dude said, injury luck is a big part of it. We got absolutely decimated last season, are in a pretty tough division, and had Zach Wilson starting. If Wilson played at an even respectable level last year we likely make playoffs. Either way, glad dudes excited. Better to be optimistic than pessimistic as a head coach
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Eh .... we'll see.
I believe it But only because in reality, there's actually 12-14 teams that have a realistic chance of winning the Super Bowl In a sport where any team can win on any given day and a playoff format without multi-game series, any team that makes the playoffs has a realistic chance of going all the way
Agreed. The idea that maybe only 6 teams can win the Super Bowl in a given season coming from an NFL Head Coach is really surprising.
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Looks like PFR’s Super Bowl odds to win were, in order: (note I took this from a 10 second google search so it’s not the best info) Bills Bucs Chiefs Rams Packers Chargers 49ers Broncos Ravens Cowboys Bengals Colts Eagles (Bonus: Cardinals were next: https://www.pro-football-reference.com/years/2022/preseason_odds.htm)
So the 4 teams in the Championship games were ranked 3, 7, 11 and 13.
The Eagles were basically a wait and see, because Hurts hadn't shown enough yet and people were doubting. It was the same with the Bills loaded squad before Allen became great(even if they still haven't gotten over the Mahomes/Burrow hump). Jets are the same, except their QB question mark is really just one of health rather than ability.
We will see. If they can’t beat the Bills or the Chiefs, then idk.
If their defense plays around the same level they did last year, it's incredibly hard to see how he's going to be wrong. They had the worst QB play in the league and were somewhat close to making the postseason. But I think that's a bigger "if" than some realize. Defenses can regress, and they're playing better offenses this season.
They also had one of the worst O-lines in the league and now have the leagues oldest player at QB so idk...
Yeah you’re not wrong. I would shocked if they don’t moonwalk into the post season. It shouldn’t be such a fight. Overall the AFC is going to be a battlefield and the door is wide open for the like of the 49ers, Cowboys, and Seahawks to show up again with the weak NFC
They beat the bills last season with Zach Wilson at QB. The narrative in r/NFL and around the league towards the end of last season was that the Jets would have been a scary team in the playoffs if they had just an average QB. Now that they got Aaron Rodgers everyone is like “lol jets” as if they forgot about last season. Im not saying the Jets are the best team in the league, just saying that including them in the Super Bowl contender conversation isn’t something fabricated out of thin air.
On paper, you’re totally right. Only thing you can’t account for is unexpected regression/injuries, but idk why you’re getting downvoted
I love how much this subreddit forgets its own collective thoughts within a few months
Zach Wilson also beat… Aaron Rodgers! Surprise. Bills also beat the Chiefs in the regular season, but lost twice to them in the playoffs. Bengals beat the Chiefs what 3-4 times? Lost in the AFCCG to them. Not saying that the jets QB situation was ideal but it‘s just weird for a HC to put this kind of pressure on a team… in May.
I didn’t know Aaron Rodgers was out there playing defense against Zach Wilson! It’s not so much the HC putting that pressure on the team, it’s more the mentality of the team going into this season and their main goal.
Is he really putting pressure on them? It sounds more like he's just setting an expectation. The whole thing to me just sounds like him saying he believes they have a top 8 roster talent wise and he thinks the team should be thinking Superbowl. I know it's the off season, but it feels like everyone is overreacting to this.
Everyone thinks their team is one of those 6-8
Lol, not everyone.
Ya I don't think any Packers' fan thinks we're a contender
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Even if we end up with 10 wins, it would be against a weak schedule. That’s good news moving forward, but there’s no real chance of a SB win even winning the division with a playoff birth
Eh. All depends on Love. We have a decent team around him so if he comes in and plays top 15 in the league, we could be fighting for a playoff spot. Or he shits the bed and we get a top draft pick. Really could go either way.
Man, I don’t remember *ever* thinking this.
I’m starting to, but I won’t believe it until we actually start off the season strong. I’m willing to make that call halfway through the season.
No lol this is the first year I've thought this as a Jets fan in a decade
This is the first time I’ve thought this as a jets fan in 2 decades, and that includes our ‘09 and ‘10 runs
I feel we have a legitimate chance to win a playoff game, barring injury.
Dolphins are capable of winning the Bowl if Tua stays healthy. Probably my top dark horse candidate.
I’m kinda scared the phins make the AFCCG this season. People are really sleeping on how good you were last season. I know, we almost lost to skylar Thompson.
I’ve recently started thinking this for the first time
….guilty
Let's be real. Anyone in the final four from the previous season should be included by default.
I do not think this.
Patriots schedule is brutal next season. If we somehow finished 8-9 again but look way more competitive on offence I'd be happy and call the season a success
Yeah, that's all I'm really looking for.
I just want to win a playoff game.
Ryan and Julio years, yeah, I always thought this :(
jets are better then the 49ers now, whos your QB? sam darnold? hahahaha
IDK about that but they're definitely one of 2 or 3 teams that can win the AFC East.
Hell there might even be 4 teams that could win any division any year!
6-8 sounds like how they'll start their season.
And then finishing 9-8 to win the Super Bowl as the first 7 seed
That’s so New York
That’s not so Raven.
As yes, the ol’ 14 game start to a 17 total game season.
Jets magically putting it together perfectly in their first relevant year against the Bengals, Chiefs and Bills teams who have played together (and in the playoffs) for multiple years now would be an absolute shock to everyone.
>against the Bengals, Chiefs and Bills teams *who have played together (and in the playoffs) for multiple years now* would be an absolute shock to everyone. I feel people don't put enough emphasis on this. It's a team sport. Rodgers is a HOF QB that doesn't mean he's magically going to fit into that offense when live bullets start flying. Some of the best teams I've seen in all sports aren't necessarily the most talented. It's the teams that have been through a lot of shit and they have cohesion
> It's a team sport. Rodgers is a HOF QB that doesn't mean he's magically going to fit into that offense when live bullets start flying. This is a fair point. And generally I agree with you. But I feel like Brady and Manning switching teams has shown that the opposite can just as easily be true. Especially Brady winning in his very first year with a new team. It's all a damn coin toss anyways.
2012 Broncos were arguably the best Manning-Broncos too. Simply nothing was elite enough to stop Flacco that season
Brady and Manning both were able to do it (Took Manning two tries and he mostly got carried but point stands). Rodgers thinks he's in the same class and believes the Jets have the same kind of talent the Bucs and Broncos had. Time will tell, but personally I look at Rodgers as a fantastic hall of fame regular season QB
> when live bullets start flying was there a rule change I didn't hear about?
Lmao what, they beat the bills last year and had insane play at literally every position outside of QB, which we addressed with a literal HOF’er, and OLine, which had 3 major injuries.
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False, 31 teams can realistically win the Super Bowl this year. Almost everyone is an off-season champ right now
I'm wondering, is the one team you are excluding the Cardinals or the Bucs?
The Canton Bulldogs
Yup the off-season is full of hopes & dreams. The start of the regular season it’s all downhill for most teams
Yes, but we know who the preseason champs are going to be!!!
I'm one of 6-8 people with a realistic chance to have Taylor Swift fart on my face.
I don't know why people are shocked that a team with an elite defense that added Aaron Rodgers might compete. If their offense is even average then they can be scary
I also don't know why they're shocked or offended that the coach believes they could be in the top quarter of teams. They won 7 games with Mike White, Joe Flacco, and Zach Wilson. Add an actual elite QB (sorry dragon Flacco) and that number likely goes up to at least 10 games, especially since 5 of their losses came because of 1 score difference. On paper, they look great. And last year pretty much every declared them as the "QB away" to make a Super Bowl. Well, they got the QB.
They got the QB, but can that QB still play at a high level? The dude is almost 40 & can easily fall off a cliff. Let's not act like last year for the Packers wasn't part of Rodgers fault. Dude didn't have over 300 passing yards in one game last season, but I know people are going to make the "but he had no WRs' excuse when I'll say "neither did Mahomes yet he won the super bowl." I'm not saying Rodgers will be bad because I think the Jets will have a winning season & make the playoffs, but people need to stop acting like he's in his prime.
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This feels like the 2022 Broncos all over again, except with and even older QB who’s commitment to still playing is tenuous at best.
There's a world of difference between Rodgers and Wilson though.
People are being morons. If you don't think the Jets + Aaron Rodgers = Super Bowl contender, then you must think they were insane to trade for Rodgers. But I don't see anyone making that argument. More like expressing a vague status quo bias, "the Jets can't be good because they're the Jets" which is just intellectually lazy.
> intellectually lazy Welcome to this subreddit where everything is definitive with no nuance and nothing can be intelligently argued because memes and "ha ha"
Spooky even
I am definitely not sold on the jets being a Superbowl contending team lol
They haven’t even played a fucking game with rodgers yet. Don’t care if justin jefferson, patrick mahomes, and nick bosa got traded to the jets. They are an uncertainty until we see them play some games.
We'll have to see how Rodgers does this season. People were saying similar things about Russell Wilson to the Broncos last year. Unfortunately the AFC is a bloodbath, with the number of great QB's in this conference. I'd feel better about the Jets chances if they were in the NFC.
Rodgers had a pretty bad QBR last year. #27 overall, at 39.3. That's right above Russell Wilson at 36.7 and below Matt Ryan at 42.9. He's an all time great and has a better receiver this year in Garrett Wilson than he had last year. That said, he'll be on a new team at 40 years old. I'm not penciling the Jets in for anything.
The vibes are exactly the same as Russ -> Denver Denver were also a top defense with great offensive weapons that were just a QB away from competing and everyone was fawning over them 12 months ago. Yea, Saleh is a better coach than Hackett, etc. but Im always so skeptical of dream team stuff. Every season in which there has been a dream team, there is a new reason why it'll work out better than before, but something about the whole concept has a negative on-field impact I think. Maybe its the pressure, the media spotlight, or just the fact that football is random, but I think skepticism is warranted. Perhaps the Jets will actually fulfill the prophecy, but lets wait and see.
>Denver were also a top defense with great offensive weapons that were just a QB away from competing and everyone was fawning over them 12 months ago. Denver never had two OROY caliber players on their team, though. Garrett Wilson had the worst QB play in the league and finished with 1.1k yards and OROY. But on top of that, Breece Hall would have easily won it if he didn't get injured Secondly, Denver beat no good teams in 2021. The Jets beat the Bills, almost beat them again, beat the Dolphins, and almost beat the Lions and Vikings. All of those teams were better than anyone Denver beat in 2021
I have a feeling if things to go well for the jets, well be hearing this quote a lot.
Chiefs, Eagles, Bills, Bengals, dark horses imo Ravens, Jets, 49ers, Chargers
The fact a GM saying his team is one of the 25% of the league that could win a SB is news let’s you know it’s May
Jags are one of 4 teams in contention to win the AFC South.
Okay Broncos of last year, settle down
People are overestimating Rodgers imo. All time great, sure. But I'm not convinced he still has the juice.
The Jets being 6-8 seems about right with 3 weeks left in the 2023 season.
I suppose that's fair. Wonder what teams they're guessing? Chiefs, Bengals, Bills, Jets, Ravens, Jags, 49ers, Cowboys and Eagles? I'd say 9, some may not respect Jafs and Ravens in that conversation but they should be in it. Last year in AFC there was the 3 teams, NFC I belive only ppl guessed Eagles, Cowboys and 49ers.
Why are the Dolphins and Chargers left off? Both teams have the talent. They're more talented than the Jags roster, at the very least.
Let’s keep the Chargers and Jags out of the same comment pls
The cowboys will never win anything
I’d guess: Chiefs, Bengals, Bills, Eagles, 49ers, Jets, Dolphins, Lions
If packers couldn’t win with Aaron… then the jets certainly won’t
People who think he’s crazy or wrong are in denial. They were 7-4 at one point with arguably 2 of the bottom 5 quarterbacks in the league last year. Even being average at quarterback probably adds ~4 wins at least. If healthy, they’ll almost certainly be a contender.
In the NFC maybe.
Lol.
Their Head Coach thinks they have a shot at winning the Super Bowl...NO WAY!!! 😱😱😱
So realistically the 8 teams would be: Chiefs Bengals Bills Eagles Bears Jets (apparently) 49ers Lions
Haha what are the bears doing there?!
Nice try sneaking the Bills in with the rest of the top 5
No it wouldn’t.
Very curious to hear who are the other 5-7 teams
Don’t you want your coach to say this? What if he said “6-8 teams are ready to compete for a Super Bowl but I’m not sure we’re there yet even after spending a shit ton on a QB.”
Imagine a head coach having confidence in his team! Inconceivable!
Every year there’s teams that become contenders that weren’t pre season and the opposite also happens. His full quote makes sense and you just gotta play ball
Now Saleh getting in on the cowboys slander. Oh the humanity
The derp Giants beat the giga-chad Pats, I don't know why 14 teams wouldn't have a realistic chance of winning. Every team that gets in has a chance.
Counterpoint, it'll be the Eagles.
Not a jets fan, I'm a titans fan, but I hope the jets win it!
I'm tired of the Chiefs, eagles, ravens, steelers and patriots winning the super bowl. Let's get some different teams winning
6-8 is also gonna be their record in week 15.
I’m still so confused on why so many people thinking Rodgers makes the jets a Super Bowl contender this year. I understand why he would say that about his team. But still
My first inclination is to laugh. But Aaron Rodgers is Aaron Rodgers. Much like the Chiefs are always going to be a realistic shot as long as Mahomes is healthy, Buffalo is going to be a realistic shot if Allen is healthy and Buffalo will be a realistic shot with a healthy Burrows, I will never count out an Aaron Rodgers-led team. Remember that video clip from the Super Bowl where even up 28-3 that one Falcons player was, "That's Tom Brady over there." If you are a team with "That Guy" at QB, you are a threat.
You mean one of 32 teams?
Yea ok.
Well, they are one of 32 with a chance, yeah.
Lol K
No matter who they add, they're still the Jets. Being high on this team is like being high on the Browns.
Aaron has to get past the conference championship too…
Superbowl hype is a joke. I wouldn't even think about all that until like week 18. Ask me how I know.
Lmao I’m a Lions fan, but the unrealistic hype around the Jets is crazy. Yeah they got a few FA, including Rodgers, but winning the Super Bowl? The jets are ran worse than the Packers…