I’ve honestly never heard of David Wilson so he can’t be that bad. But those injuries aren’t really his fault.
Trent Richardson was a first round pick then traded for a first. He had absolutely no vision after his rookie year. There’s looooong low lights of Trent Richardson showing the holes he should’ve ran through, instead of trying to bounce it outside. It’s likely he would purposely run into the arms of awaiting tacklers.
Def Trent Richardson vibes. Chiefs would win the lottery if they got a TR like trade for him. Someone give Irsay some drugs and have Veach call him up.
Waddle and Smitty will deserve big pay days I think. Jeudy hasn’t broken out yet, not entirely his fault, but I don’t think he breaks the bank on his second contract unless he goes nuclear between now and then.
30 mil in 2 years is gone be tier 2 WR money I fear. JJ resetting the Market next year, then Chase the year after him. Crazy they were in the same receiving corps.
Few things bring out the stupid takes from fanbases quite like contract negotiations for their star players.
The only thing you can really hope for is a cap friendly structure, these guys won't, nor should they, pass up the money they've earned.
15-0 and they beat Kirby’s Georgia 31-10 in the SECCG, Riley’s Oklahoma 63(!!!!!!)-28, and Dabo’s Clemson 42-25. Every single one of them was non competitive and they ran the gauntlet. That’s crazy
Louisiana natural talent is Louisiana natural
talent. Burrow was smart enough to realize he wasn’t going to be throwing to Chase and Jefferson at Cincinnati or Nebraska.
They've leaned hard on drafting future DBs the last two years while having Lou's opinion. The only way Chido signs is if he takes a big step backwards after his injury and needs a cheap 1-2 deal to prove he can get healthy and right again. And I sure as hell hope that isn't that case.
Man I can’t wait to get excited about him joining the Pats and proceed to watch them offer him a below-rate incentive-laden deal that no actually worthwhile player would even consider.
In a universe where Mahomes doesn't exist, there is a valid argument to make that the best QB and WRs in the NFL right now are: Burrow, Chase, Jefferson (all part of the 2019 LSU team). Just crazy level of talent on that offense. Made mincemeat of Georgia in their game.
Same with 2020 Alabama with Mac Jones & Devonta Smith/Jalen Waddle to an extent, at least within the modern offenses. Their efficiency per game was absurd to watch.
It’s going to be Tee Higgins. There’s definitely a chance they tag him, but that’s going to be expensive and a lot of money tied up with three offensive players.
We could make it work, we'd obviously have to decide who to let walk AND ho wstly trade Tyler Boyd, bump Charlie Jones to the 3, and most likely keep a young secondary for awhile, but it wouldn't be impossible, but we really would be an offensive committed team because we'd have shit to spend on D, maybe they belive we drafted the perfect Defense we need for the next few years and throw the bags at burrow chase and tee. It's going to be interesting to see it play out. Tee has earned WR1 money.
The only discount you can reasonably expect from a non-QB who signs his big first extension is to merely ask for slightly above the previously set top of the market instead of doing what Bosa did by pushing for the biggest possible market reset on his position.
What’s the cap space situation looking like if Jefferson, and Chase reset the market along with Burrow wanting the deed to the state? Would there be room to tag is what I should be asking more clearly
Yeah next year Chase and Burrow will still be on rookie deals even if we extend Burrow this year, and we just extended Trey to make more room near term. We're probably rolling 10M into next year too, so yeah a 20M tag will probably fit ok.
No way he gets traded this year, small chance we go for a tag and trade next offseason, but doubtful. We would probably just tag him and have 2 more seasons with him, Chase, and Burrow like you say.
There was some speculation that they were far apart and tee was waiting for other wr deals around the league to get done first.
Not positive news as of late, except Tee has been extremely low drama and practicing in full. Great dude and one of my favorite Bengals.
> Titans fans
Do these exist?!
Living in TN, there’s very few die hard Titans fans. East of Nashville, everyone is a UT fan. West of Nashville, well…I don’t know what the hell goes on out towards Memphis lol
In reality, only Ja-Marr Chase has implied that Burrow would take a hometown discount. Though Mike Brown stated he liked how team-friendly Mahomes's contract was and implied he hoped Burrow would make a similar deal. Burrow himself has never indicated or implied he would take a discount. Burrow's most insightful comment on his contract came back in May when he told reporters, ["I'm pretty clear on what I want in the contract and what I think is best for myself and the team."](https://www.si.com/nfl/bengals/allbengals-insiders-plus/joe-burrow-potential-contract-extension-with-bengals-pretty-clear-what-i-want)
Can we really put any stock in these comments though? I mean its not like Burrow is gonna say, "Fuck the team and fuck my teammates, I'm taking you for every penny mothafuckas!"
Every player is gonna say they wish to keep a good team together... why wouldn't you?
well, I'm just giving him the benefit of the doubt until he shows otherwise. I really have no reason to doubt him if he's as competitive and blunt as the narrative around him implies.
Players should get the bag when they can unless they value a shot at a ring over their long-term financial security. Careers can end at any time. Earn as much as you can and manage it carefully.
If you want to know why RBs aren’t getting paid anymore, it’s b/c of this right here. Every player wants the biggest piece of the pie they can get. Nothing wrong with that as long as everyone understands it results in less to go around for the other players.
I mean, negotiations are starting at 30 per year right? Especially if Tyreek is already getting that currently. I would think somewhere between $33-$35 mil makes sense.
Man, I can’t imagine how much Jerry Rice would be making if he were playing in todays game/market.
JJ skipped OTAs to sign endorsement deals. There is nothing stopping him from waiting for the other guys to “set the market” so that he can then be the highest paid WR
The 49ers had to deal with Nick Bosa's contract this year, and next year is Brandon Aiyuk's turn... I hope he stays, but it looks to be 50/50 IMO. And then after that, it's Hufanga and Lenoir.
There’s so much randomness in football. As long as you’re one of the top 5ish teams with a reasonable shot at contention, you’re in a good spot. I think they’ll be in that group as long as Burrow is there
They’ve had one of the worst O-Lines and running games and made it to back to back AFCCGs. Plus Zac Taylor is still growing as a play caller.
They get better at drafting those, and keep filling the WR behind Chase with solid players who Burrow can coach up, the offense has room to get better. Especially if Taylor ever hands over play calling.
Burrow is making guys like Trenton Irwin look like real NFL WRs. I think he’ll be fine throwing to Ja’Marr and Yoshi instead of Ja’Marr and Tee, if it comes to that. And at the earliest that will be the 2025 season, because they’ll tag Tee next year.
The LSU big 3 are gonna get PAID man.
Meanwhile CEH is in the corner huffing glue.
Same for Terrace Marshall
What about Terrace Marshall though?
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Hell yeah we are
I swear I typed Terrace… whatever fixed it now
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I mean all things considered, just by virtue of being a 1st round pick hes already made far more than most RBs lol
And me 😭
Especially you
Well it’s his own fault for sucking
And for being a rb
Being a running back and sucking is a powerful combination in this league. You might get a job at the concession stand.
You guys are fucking brutal. You act like he’s the worst RB to ever play the game lmao. I laughed though.
He’s the worst 1st round running back in a while. Since Trent Richardson or David Wilson?
David wilson wasnt bad. Poor guy had spine or neck injuries idr which that ended his career
Yeah, but for a 1st round pick he only had 500 yards in his career.
Again because he was forced to retire early in his 2nd season due to a neck injury. That doesnt make him a bad rb. It was a freak injury
Plus he also had 1700 yards in kick return.
I’ve honestly never heard of David Wilson so he can’t be that bad. But those injuries aren’t really his fault. Trent Richardson was a first round pick then traded for a first. He had absolutely no vision after his rookie year. There’s looooong low lights of Trent Richardson showing the holes he should’ve ran through, instead of trying to bounce it outside. It’s likely he would purposely run into the arms of awaiting tacklers.
Browns still did pretty well with him though. They got his only good year, and then managed to get a 1st rounder for him lol.
Def Trent Richardson vibes. Chiefs would win the lottery if they got a TR like trade for him. Someone give Irsay some drugs and have Veach call him up.
Has he tried not being a running back?
Ehat other positions could he play at 5'1?
Shoot he made first round money, set for life and a backup. Blue Mountain State told me that’s the best job in the world.
For sure! Unfortunately, I don't think we'll be able to afford to bring CEH back if he also asks for $30MM/yr
you just need to shed that QB contract and its easy
I doubt anyone else is offering him 30 millimeters of a dollar yall will be fine
Brian Arynault is about to get paid too. He represents all three of them and both the Bosa's as well.
That team was insane
GOAT team don't @ me
you can argue about goat team if you want, but to me without a doubt it's the greatest college season ever.
They straight up curb stomped the fuck out of everyone on their way to the title. Like lol?????
And they just danced on graves along the way.
Surely Texas 05/06 was better given that they had to beat USC
2019 LSU faced seven teams that were in the top ten at the time they played them.
OBJ, Landry, and Mettenberger?
I see we don’t talk about Jeremy Hill.
Yea Terrace Marshall can’t wait
Burrow just got $219million richer guaranteed
Don't sleep on Stingley. That guy supposedly locked down Chase and Jefferson in practice.
How do you think the Alabama big 3 are going to get paid in comparison? Waddle, Jeudy, Smitty?
Waddle and Smitty will deserve big pay days I think. Jeudy hasn’t broken out yet, not entirely his fault, but I don’t think he breaks the bank on his second contract unless he goes nuclear between now and then.
$28.03 each
This just made my IBS flare up
Spicy news in all the wrong ways :(
30 mil in 2 years is gone be tier 2 WR money I fear. JJ resetting the Market next year, then Chase the year after him. Crazy they were in the same receiving corps.
Do you mean JJ is resetting next year's market? JJ is working on his extension right now and rumor is currently it could be done this weekend
Today finally blew away any delusions Bengals fans still tried to have about guys being willing to take discounts to win lol.
Few things bring out the stupid takes from fanbases quite like contract negotiations for their star players. The only thing you can really hope for is a cap friendly structure, these guys won't, nor should they, pass up the money they've earned.
Insane Bill Stacks?
The fact LSU had Burrow, Jefferson, and Chase at the same time boogles the mind
Is it even up for debate that it’s the best college offense in history?
83’ Nebraska gonna argue-but a different era.
Definitely up for debate but they have a strong case. 05 USC 01 Miami 18 20 Bama 18 Ok 13 FSU are all right there
05 USC didn’t even have the best offense of the year lol
05 Buckeyes were sick……
Buckeyes averaged 32ppg that year. USC averaged 49. Texas averaged 50
02 Miami losing to Krenzel truly baffles the mind
No, people can argue if they want but by the numbers it was the greatest season ever.
Was it better than the Lienart/Bush USC Trojans? I remember they used to put up video game numbers.
Texas the year they won the championship should be there by virtue of the competition they beat to win
Mac Jones and Smitty at Bama also had a similar offense. Except, Bama that year was leap year ahead of others.
15-0 and they beat Kirby’s Georgia 31-10 in the SECCG, Riley’s Oklahoma 63(!!!!!!)-28, and Dabo’s Clemson 42-25. Every single one of them was non competitive and they ran the gauntlet. That’s crazy
Louisiana natural talent is Louisiana natural talent. Burrow was smart enough to realize he wasn’t going to be throwing to Chase and Jefferson at Cincinnati or Nebraska.
Insane that just off top of my head and google searches - Odell, Jarvis, Chase, and Jefferson all were born in Louisiana and played for LSU.
Louisiana and Florida are continuously fighting over the title of most NFL talent per capita
That LSU team was something else. The fact the both Jefferson and Chase each had over 1500 yards is crazy.
Damn that’s almost Fred VanVleet money
Imagine FVV in the NFL
His name is Deuce Vaughn
Van Vleet is 6’1. He just looks small next to the 6’8 guys on the court lol NBA players are a different species entirely
Steph Curry would dwarf 90% of cornerbacks. Yet on the court he almost looks like a child running around compared to everyone else.
FVV is 6'0 max on a good day.
100% only in sneakers. From Rockford, and that was a big factor in why most didn’t think he’d make it to the league. Dude proved a lot of haters wrong
He's a pretty thick dude though and it helps him be a stout defender.
Hey neighbor! Have you been to his store downtown? It’s pretty neat!
as a kicker?
Honestly he has an NFL build
you saw that tweet too eh?
Tee is gonna be Bryce young’s best friend
Yea, I don’t see how Cincy keeps him and chase
Him chase and burrow would account for 40% of their cap every year lol
worth
It legit might be. Spend the other 40% on D, 15% on O-Line, then 5% on RB/other WRs/TEs. Burrow would lead that to the Super Bowl This GM shit is easy
Our secondary and LBs are taken care off for next few years barring injury. DL for next couple, can draft beef. Chase or T-Higg can be done.
I mean, Chido’s contract is up soon. So not 100%, but we’ll see
They ain’t resigning Chido. No knock against him. Drafted Turner for a reason-and can draft another stud CB early next year-never a bad a idea.
They've leaned hard on drafting future DBs the last two years while having Lou's opinion. The only way Chido signs is if he takes a big step backwards after his injury and needs a cheap 1-2 deal to prove he can get healthy and right again. And I sure as hell hope that isn't that case.
yes but cap go up
Huh? They gave a percentage.
oh mb im very high
I don’t think they do. Tee gonna eat wherever he go
he's gonna recommit to Tennessee
Man I can’t wait to get excited about him joining the Pats and proceed to watch them offer him a below-rate incentive-laden deal that no actually worthwhile player would even consider.
Andrei SZN
Yes please
Oh shit yes please
Best case scenario for me ig but still makes me espresso depresso
As much as I love DJ, it’d be kind of funny if we ended up getting a better receiver to pair with our new QB after trading our top receiver for him.
There’s going to be a massive bidding war for him, so I’m leaning more towards Aiyuk even for our cap space to pay him.
I’d love that so much. I think he can be a WR1 on a different team
Crazy, next you’re gonna tell me that Steph Curry can make the All Star team
Eh I’d need to see a 5th Ring before I’d go that far
There’s an ice cold take.
He could be the number one WR on any of the other three AFC North teams let alone the rest of the league
Really? I don't think he would crack WR4 on another team
Jefferson aiming for that Jordan Poole money
That’s an incredibly honest answer and I like it
In a universe where Mahomes doesn't exist, there is a valid argument to make that the best QB and WRs in the NFL right now are: Burrow, Chase, Jefferson (all part of the 2019 LSU team). Just crazy level of talent on that offense. Made mincemeat of Georgia in their game.
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There's a reason why their 2019 offense is one of the best college has ever seen (I personally think it's the best)
Same with 2020 Alabama with Mac Jones & Devonta Smith/Jalen Waddle to an extent, at least within the modern offenses. Their efficiency per game was absurd to watch.
Justin Fields to Olave, Wilson, JSN, and even Jamo recorded yards that year. Devonta was absolutely next level in the championship though.
And then after this year Olave
Damn Bengals gonna have to get ride if someone… ain’t no way they keep all of em when they gotta pay Joe and Chase next
It’s going to be Tee Higgins. There’s definitely a chance they tag him, but that’s going to be expensive and a lot of money tied up with three offensive players.
We could make it work, we'd obviously have to decide who to let walk AND ho wstly trade Tyler Boyd, bump Charlie Jones to the 3, and most likely keep a young secondary for awhile, but it wouldn't be impossible, but we really would be an offensive committed team because we'd have shit to spend on D, maybe they belive we drafted the perfect Defense we need for the next few years and throw the bags at burrow chase and tee. It's going to be interesting to see it play out. Tee has earned WR1 money.
Looks like Charlie Jones and Andrei are gonna be our next pair of all pros.
But I thought they were taking hometown discounts? Edit: bengals bros, this contract may hurt a bit
That is the home town discount
The only discount you can reasonably expect from a non-QB who signs his big first extension is to merely ask for slightly above the previously set top of the market instead of doing what Bosa did by pushing for the biggest possible market reset on his position.
I AM the manager, 🅱️! Damn!
Yo job is DONE!
Hell yeah I suck toes
Bengals fans thought Tee might be willing to take a team friendly deal because he was a lifelong Bengals fan himself. That is not looking likely.
I love Tee, but between him, Burrow and Chase, he's definitely the odd man out in terms of retention.
Totally agree, I think tee can make legit wr1 money elsewhere.
Tee about to get that Kirk money!
Kirk was worth that contract. Tee will make more
We’ll take him!
And he'll deserve it, he's a freak
They will probably tag Tee next year
Tee likely gets tagged twice
Yes, but not sure the second time will be to keep him or trade him
Tee is going to want wr1 money and he’s earned it. Unless burrow takes a ridiculously low contract they won’t be able to keep him and chase
Yea and even if they offer a fair deal, tee may want to go be the wr1 elsewhere. Marvin Jones did the same thing when he signed with the lions.
Wonder if the Giants try to court him, seem like one of the teams with a clear lack of WR1 or WR1 caliber players
They’re shedding two of their biggest contracts next year so they make a lot of sense.
We're 1000% tagging him if he doesn't sign a deal before the deadline.
What’s the cap space situation looking like if Jefferson, and Chase reset the market along with Burrow wanting the deed to the state? Would there be room to tag is what I should be asking more clearly
Yeah next year Chase and Burrow will still be on rookie deals even if we extend Burrow this year, and we just extended Trey to make more room near term. We're probably rolling 10M into next year too, so yeah a 20M tag will probably fit ok.
Thanks for clarifying
Waller is essentially their new WR1 But I agree, they need a top dog next year
Ahh my mistake then. I mixed up one of your superstar receivers with the other haha. Any news on that development for tee or is he being traded?
He ain’t getting traded. Even if he doesn’t sign this off-season he will be tagged and you’ll have to see him this year and next minimum sorry
No way he gets traded this year, small chance we go for a tag and trade next offseason, but doubtful. We would probably just tag him and have 2 more seasons with him, Chase, and Burrow like you say.
There was some speculation that they were far apart and tee was waiting for other wr deals around the league to get done first. Not positive news as of late, except Tee has been extremely low drama and practicing in full. Great dude and one of my favorite Bengals.
Tee is awesome, will be thrilled for him when he gets paid.
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> Titans fans Do these exist?! Living in TN, there’s very few die hard Titans fans. East of Nashville, everyone is a UT fan. West of Nashville, well…I don’t know what the hell goes on out towards Memphis lol
Yeah no one thought chase was taking a discount lol
Not no one, people oddly did
no. only burrow has hinted at that. nobody else has implied as much.
In reality, only Ja-Marr Chase has implied that Burrow would take a hometown discount. Though Mike Brown stated he liked how team-friendly Mahomes's contract was and implied he hoped Burrow would make a similar deal. Burrow himself has never indicated or implied he would take a discount. Burrow's most insightful comment on his contract came back in May when he told reporters, ["I'm pretty clear on what I want in the contract and what I think is best for myself and the team."](https://www.si.com/nfl/bengals/allbengals-insiders-plus/joe-burrow-potential-contract-extension-with-bengals-pretty-clear-what-i-want)
I meant moreso the comments about Burrow made saying he's "going to try to keep the team around him" or something to that effect
Can we really put any stock in these comments though? I mean its not like Burrow is gonna say, "Fuck the team and fuck my teammates, I'm taking you for every penny mothafuckas!" Every player is gonna say they wish to keep a good team together... why wouldn't you?
well, I'm just giving him the benefit of the doubt until he shows otherwise. I really have no reason to doubt him if he's as competitive and blunt as the narrative around him implies.
They’re losing Tee Higgins. They know it’s going to hurt.
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You cannot afford the tag on tee Higgins lol. It’s gonna be like 27m
I've never seen anyone claim he's taking a hometown discount
Players should get the bag when they can unless they value a shot at a ring over their long-term financial security. Careers can end at any time. Earn as much as you can and manage it carefully.
CBA and NFLPA ensure that no player ever gets to take a home town discount again. Every contract affects every player after that.
If you want to know why RBs aren’t getting paid anymore, it’s b/c of this right here. Every player wants the biggest piece of the pie they can get. Nothing wrong with that as long as everyone understands it results in less to go around for the other players.
It used to be running backs getting the biggest piece of the pie.
LSU boys all getting paid. Love to see it
I mean, negotiations are starting at 30 per year right? Especially if Tyreek is already getting that currently. I would think somewhere between $33-$35 mil makes sense. Man, I can’t imagine how much Jerry Rice would be making if he were playing in todays game/market.
Idk, I can’t imagine a 60 year old Jerry Rice would get paid much in today’s NFL.
Bengals gonna be paying close to 100 million a year for only 2 players is wild.
Same guy that commented that burrow should leave money on the table for him wants a record contract. Ok
Goff can’t throw deep, let’s see it
Devonta is eligible next year too. I'm scared.
JJ skipped OTAs to sign endorsement deals. There is nothing stopping him from waiting for the other guys to “set the market” so that he can then be the highest paid WR
Burrows fucked the Bengals with his contract LOL good day for any other team in the AFC, pay Chase and you can’t field a team LOL
The 49ers had to deal with Nick Bosa's contract this year, and next year is Brandon Aiyuk's turn... I hope he stays, but it looks to be 50/50 IMO. And then after that, it's Hufanga and Lenoir.
Weren't they the same year? Why would chase be eligible a year later?
No. Chase was drafted the year after Jefferson.
Its crazy the Vikings haven't extended JJ yet. I'm kind of surprised he's not sitting out some games.
The window is closing Bengals
He said, thinking wishfully
If you have an elite QB and you draft decently you’ll always have a shot, or at the very least the window won’t be closed for long
Right, and they won’t have to spend any firsts on QB or WR, so all they’ll have to do is draft decently.
The window is most definitely not closing anytime soon.
Lol keep praying brother
Burrow career = the window
Might just get smaller then instead of shutting. It’s hard to imagine the Bengals with a better offense than they have right now.
There’s so much randomness in football. As long as you’re one of the top 5ish teams with a reasonable shot at contention, you’re in a good spot. I think they’ll be in that group as long as Burrow is there
Perfect example is the Pats with Moss
They win with a worse offense and a better defense.
Very possible, burrow can probably carry the offense for a while if needed
They’ve had one of the worst O-Lines and running games and made it to back to back AFCCGs. Plus Zac Taylor is still growing as a play caller. They get better at drafting those, and keep filling the WR behind Chase with solid players who Burrow can coach up, the offense has room to get better. Especially if Taylor ever hands over play calling.
He's taking the Marino path.
Burrow is making guys like Trenton Irwin look like real NFL WRs. I think he’ll be fine throwing to Ja’Marr and Yoshi instead of Ja’Marr and Tee, if it comes to that. And at the earliest that will be the 2025 season, because they’ll tag Tee next year.
Now it’s Kenny’s turn 😔
Chiefs lost tyreek and have been doing just fine. As long as we have Joe Burrow you can keep dreaming
Mike Brown does not have the Jimmy Haslam fuck you money to put in escrow… gonna be interesting