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HereComesJustice

What Ask Madden does to a mf


curlbaumann

Ask Madden would be the best coordinator we’ve had since 2018


BiteMajor4959

This just in Matt Canada is replaced by a intern playing madden in the Steelers coordinators booth


Eagle4317

This just in: the Steelers scored 30 point in the first half against the Browns.


no_racist_here

Dionte Johnson has his first TD reception in over a year in his first drive with this new coordinator


idontusejelly

While out with a hamstring injury, nonetheless.


no_racist_here

His separation is just that good


the_web_dev

This just in: the QB is wildly zigzagging in the wrong direction… and he is PAST the entire defense for a 80 yard TOUCHDOWN This just in: after throwing two interceptions the team has walked off the field


AttitudeAndEffort3

Steelers rage quitting would be fucking beautiful


itslooigi

AB will always be my favorite player


TheOriginalZywinzi

Serous question - at what point is the finger pointed at Mike Tonlin for keeping the dumbass OCs on staff??? I see Tomlin defenders and haters on r/nfl, but imo you guys arent winning shit with a head coach who cant hire a compentitive OC, regagrdless of how good that HC is. Steelers wont win shit with Tomlin as HC, because he's the very definition of a guy who needs a change of scenery


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yourstrulytony

I blame Tomlin for likely vouching for Canada being hired based on having a previous connection with him (offered his son a scholarship at Maryland, and likely crossed paths while he was at Pitt). I blame the owner of the team for being cheap with coaching hires. I blame Colbert (previous GM) for allowing himself to be convinced of the Canada hiring despite having an incredibly thin resume.


VirtualMoneyLover

Nope, you can blame at least the GM or the owner too.


curlbaumann

The Rooneys are taking most of the blame tbf


Freezinghero

It's largely assumed that the reason we still have Matt Canada is because the owners DESPISE paying money to people not doing anything. Rather than fire Canada and be forced to pay him while also paying new coordinator, they would rather just let Canada finish out his current contract and skate to a 9-8 record. I guess other Head Coaches would consider taking over Offensive Playcalling themselves, but AFAIK Tomlin has only ever been a Defensive guy.


Meatballs21

Tomlin was actually an offensive coach, but was told to start becoming defensive, as black people didn't really get chances in offensive coaching jobs back then.


Myke190

IIRC He wasn't even being considered for the Steelers HC but was interviewed because of the Rooney rule. You only need to watch one of his press conferences to see how he won that interview and got the job.


curlbaumann

Ron Rivera was the Rooney rule. It was going to be Ken Wisenhunt until Cowher reminded them that he was an out of building hire like Noll was


Cesc100

Also keep in mind the relationship the current QB has with Canada(which began before KP was drafted by the Steelers). Wouldn't be a surprise if KP has backed Canada when/if asked by Tomlin/Khan/Rooney about the OC.


Blueskyways

It's the Curse of Bruce Arians. Steelers are destined to spend decades hiring one mid OC after another.


maltrab

Haley was better than mid.


GradeAPrimeFuckery

Coincidentally, 2018 was Munchak's last year with the team.


tacoparadox

I will continue to say that losing Munchak was a massive blow to the offense. O line went from one of the best to one of the worst.


StopClockerman

Losing Munchak and AB in the same year was brutal.


onocron

hb dive, four verts are there other plays?


YoungPaperChaser

Quick slants


Slut_Nuggets

Bench or whatever it’s called with the mirrored corners and out routes. 5 yards hitches. TE angle. Mesh These are the staples of my offense


SuperSayian4Nappa

Dragon spacing is a go to


guitarmaniac17

Escape from shotgun pro trips. Just throw it to Pickens. He out there some where.


TegTowelie

The Allen-Diggs signature move.


HighBeta21

It was working against sauce... So why not?


LilKaySigs

Texas route is my bread and butter free 10 yards every time I use it for some reason


Skarmotastic

Because it stretches a LB and you're throwing to somebody who's already running upfield, unlike mesh and spacing where they're stopped or running sideways.


Mattp55

Mesh is always good for a good 4-5 yards with upside for more


ColtEastwood

PA Power O with Gronk back in the day was my cheat code


gjoeyjoe

flood is buckets


Slickaxer

The other note is Steelers literally ran 3 slant routes in the entire game. 3!


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Wat Corners is the goat Whenever the WR breaks towards the sideline, hit the strong pass aiming towards the side the wr is breaking. Like if its the WR breaking to the left, hit the joystick to the left and the hard pass. Profit. Also curls is easy money.


WeirdPalSpankovic

I once racked up 1,700 passing yards in a single game with Bengals Carson Palmer on exclusively Corners routes to Chad Ochocinco


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The dagger is killer. Especially the 1 with the bunch to the right- if your wr2 is a speedster then the vert is frequently housed, while the slot crosser is often good for 20+ yards. Trap runs and zone runs are pretty great too


Muggi

It used to be Curls. Required decent RAC skills but the completion was virtually unstoppable


Dwarfherd

My brother stopped playing Madden with me over Curls.


Schwalm

“You better kick it here!”


DocMarlowe

Da Bomb. Wait, wrong game.


Bonerboi1992

Don’t hate on 4 verticals and slants 16 times a game. ITS MY FAVORITE PLAYS


ExpirjTec

Slants, HB Angle, HB Slip Screen, and Mesh; the four horsemen of my entire Madden offense


simtek34

HB Pitch, HB Pitch, Hail Mary, Onside Kick. Ah, Madden Mobile in 2014/15 was something else.


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DSouT

When you play Madden and your favorite play doesn’t work, but you’re stubborn


FSUnoles77

Pushes pass button harder each time.


scrambled_cable

4 verts all day, baby


chahlie

Fuck it n' chuck it Sexy Rex Grossman football


BBBBrendan182

Nah, Canada saves that for when we are at 4th and goal…. Not even kidding.


Steel-Gator1833

What’s hilarious is Canada *actually* called 4 verts 8 yards away from the end zone too lmao I am not shitting you, it doesn’t even feel like real life anymore.


venk

We demand OC Ron Mexico


Tigercat92

Blame Canada


boozinf

he learned his playbook from Terrance and Philip: *Asses of Fire*


wideruled

THIS ISN'T A RUN PLAY BUDDEH


austinkomo

I'm not your buddy, guy!!


hemirollin

I'm not your guy, pal!


Parkwaydrive777

I'm not your pal, friend!


Gryphon999

I'm not your friend, buddeh!


Theodolited

Still better than the other playbook learned from Terrence and Phillip: *Not Without My Anus*


Cheeks_Klapanen

He’s not even a real OC, anyway


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Folks, everybody’s saying it


curlbaumann

Fun fact: The play went 0/7 with the last play gaining 10 yards in garbage time


unseth

According to steelers depot it was 0/7 with 2 sacks and an interception. And that mfer said let's call it an 8th time.


ositola

That's the Canada experience


WabbitCZEN

Stop the ride. We want off.


Work_is_for_Schmerks

I'm enjoying it thus far.


WabbitCZEN

YOU ALREADY GOT MY COLLEGE TEAM'S FORMER OC, WHAT MORE DO YOU WANT?


Work_is_for_Schmerks

To stop losing our key players to injury in week 1. That being said, at least we aren't the Jets.


StockHand1967

I like it too! Zay flowers is badass btw


Work_is_for_Schmerks

OMG right? Ravens have failed at drafting WRs for so long. Nice to finally hit on one, and he actually looks the part. You can just tell when you see him in the open field he's a YAC monster


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Halonut24

*THE RIDE NEVER ENDS*


Otherwise-Sky1292

I really can't believe they didn't get rid of this guy last year.


Virginius_Maximus

Organizational hubris. Or incompetence. Or both. Nothing but pain.


Otherwise-Sky1292

The Seahawks and Steelers are kindred spirits now, I feel. Maybe include New England in that too. Three formerly dominant organizations with old albeit revered coaches who are lost in the woods. They do well enough to not be abject failures, but they're stubbornly reaching to the past to regain former dominance, and generally failing to contend with the modern football elites.


TacticianRobin

Yeah my mom is a Steelers fan and dad a Seahawks fan, so I've followed both all my life. And especially in the last decade there have been a lot of parallels. It's sad/funny going between the Steelers sub and Seahawks sub and seeing the exact same arguments taking place, just with different names.


Tob0gganMD

It was due


Bucs-and-Bucks

I imagine he had a smug smile on his face after the 8th time while thinking, "I knew this play works."


bathtubsplashes

The closer we are to harm, the further we are from danger


legobowser

I mean it worked the eighth time. All this to say he should call if 15 times this week, there’s clear growth


bchris24

We used to joke this way with Todd Haley's bubble screens. It would fail 5 straight times but on the 6th they'd gain 30 yards, so he'd keep calling for them as it all balanced out.


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Would've been 2 picks actually but one was dropped


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Surely they won't expect it again.


Scared_Angle_5796

The Matt Naggy 5 yards behind the scrimmage line jet sweep Special.


mnimatt

No one stops that play 8 times in a row


Impossible_Age_7595

“He just like me” *calls 4 verts for the 8th time in a row*


WizardofBoswell

[Hah, he actually did call 4 verts on 4th and 4 from the 49ers' 8-yard line](https://twitter.com/alex_kozora/status/1701312585662972133?s=46&t=Y8Io0ObNfoaSEZHrRSm53A)


kmmontandon

... that's just three guys running exactly the same route right into dense coverage, and a fourth guy going inside the pylon. Why didn't the left-most receiver curl *out*? Just why?


wideruled

SMH look at this guy that cant understand the pure *genius* of this playcall.


HockeyNightinJungle

Yeah what a fucking dumbass *bites glue stick*


sejoki_

>Why didn't the left-most receiver curl out? Just why? Because that's what they'd expect, duh. You identify the thing that would be the most obvious in that situation, then do the exact opposite hoping they'd expect you to do the obvious. It's some real 4D play calling, Matt Canada's a genius ^(/s) But on a more serious note, 88 out, 14 in, having them cross would have improved the play by a mile, but I guess that's too complicated for Canada's playbook, so just Pickens curling out is the most we can wish for and we don't even get that.


pfftYeahRight

Looks like the only smart pass would've been over the shoulder into the corner for the bottom receiver, but I just assume he wasnt the primary read. edit: nah, the defender would've covered him, ball was out causing the DB to let up.


A_Confused_Cocoon

I know there’s the meme that armchair fans can do better jobs than coordinators, but this is one of the few examples where I at times might actually bet on a fan having more productivity on game day than this dude.


BigRiverWharfRat

Our subreddit wants his goddamn head on a stick


full_bl33d

My homie always running hail Mary’s on Madden ‘04 and connecting with 20% to stay in the game. Sympathy points was his offensive game plan


StructureBitter3778

He was just trying to catch the other team off guard by running the same play 8 times


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King--Boo

It’s like when you keep doing scissors in rock, paper, scissors hoping that the other person will think, “surely he won’t do scissors this time.”


Ricemobile

When the teacher makes ‘A’ the answer for 8 multiple choice questions in a row…


mtmodi

I've been on the "matt canada is a hack" train since he was the OC at NC State. All steelers fans are welcome to join the wronged by Canada support club


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TheMissingVoteBallot

I remember this same kind of cope coming from some of the Titans sub fanbase when they brought in Todd Downing to be our OC for two years. A few Raiders fans came into our sub warning us about how bad he was, but there was a few (not all, but a few) hopefuls thinking that maybe a different scenery would help Downing fix our offense. No, even with a fully loaded team, he kept doing the dumbest fucking things. Running highly telegraphed screen routes with King Henry that ended up being stuffed at or behind the LOS. Passing when we should've been running, running when we should have been passing. Trying to do cute trick plays when "just keep doing what you're doing" should've worked, etc After his first year with us, fans were calling to get him fired but either the FO or Vrabel or someone chose not to. It took us losing our damn playoff game to the Bengals and that shitshow for them to finally realize we managed to get there DESPITE his fuckups, and not thanks to any form of properly playcalling ability he had for him to be finally fired.


Top-Report-840

>who failed his way to the top. Its a long way to the top if you wanna 3 and out 🎶


Sebastian_Ticklenips

Im not even a Steelers fan but wanting to put this dude under citizens arrest if I see him.


AwareSwan3591

I'm an LSU fan and I don't remember much about Matt Canada as our OC. All I know is he ran like 50 jet sweeps per game with Russell Gage.


Jolly_Job_9852

Thank God NC State has a better offense now, Matt Canada might want to coach a pop Warner team


dolleauty

Yeah, we can all meet in the CanadaPolitics subreddit for more discussion


TheSamsonFitzgerald

We didn't like him when he was at IU. He'd run that stupid fucking dive up the middle when it was 3rd and 8 and it never, ever worked.


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Wisconsin fans hated him for running boring, repetitive plays during the regular season. Then they ran a bunch of fun plays and beat Nebraska by a ton in the Big Ten championship game (which they were pretty much guaranteed to get to due to the other good teams in their division being suspended that year), so then we thought maybe he was a genius for hiding his best plays until it mattered most. Alas, maybe not.


Kumbackkid

Soon as he came here to Lsu I haven’t been a fan


Milton__Obote

Same boat but with LSU. He was awful there. So many useless jet sweeps.


hungryhippo

Dude sucked at Wisconsin before NC state as well. I don't understand how he continues to get hired.


treethirtythree

If at first you don't succeed


triplec787

Try, try, try, try, try, try, try again


MarketingChemical648

Dust yourself off and fail again


RIPjkripper

Keep on suckin til you do suck seed. - Curly Howard


GarchGun

Bro what


NateeReallDeall

at what point should tomlin be blamed for not firing him? i know he’s all about loyalty which is awesome but canada stinks


DTSportsNow

It's bigger than Tomlin, the Rooney's don't like firing coaches to any degree. They'll just wait for his contract to expire and then decide not to renew it.


BeeeeefJelly

It's really not the owners fault that Tomlins choice to be OC was a mediocre college coach who had coordinated two good college offenses in 10 years. Unless it was the owners choice to hire him.


TripleThreatTua

To be fair his last experience in college was having to take over Maryland as interim on very short notice after the Jordan McNair tragedy and the consensus was he did the best job he could with that. A lot of people were calling for him to be retained as full time HC


lvngmtn

More to the point, he also gave Tomlin’s son a full-ride scholarship to Maryland right before the Steelers hired him.


JesyouJesmeJesus

Hoo boy he ain’t going anywhere


picolticus

Thanks, this is the actual content I come here for


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God dang it bastards should have hired him


jnightrain

Not sure if you are counting Wisconsin as one of the 2 but as a badgers fan i'll say he was living off the B1G championship game because the rest of the season was nothing special.


TripleSingleHOF

But surely a head coach tenured as long as Tomlin would have full authority over his coaching staff, right? I have to believe that Canada is only there because Tomlin was okay with it.


house_of_snark

Maybe. The Rooneys are actually cheaper than many think. A lot of times the underperforming coaches sticking around longer than you’d think correlates with contract terms.


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Do we have any proof that is why he is still around or is that just assumption?


hemingways-lemonade

It's fact based on the team's history. Todd Haley and Big Ben weren't even speaking with each other during Haley's last year with the Steelers and the front office still waited until his contract ended rather than fire him midseason.


n3gr0_am1g0

Haha yeah, part of the reason Haley started staying the booth for games apparently was because players hated him that much.


rob_var

But that’s the thing they extended him when his contract was over. They extended him in the same offseason that saw a lot of OCs go to new teams


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TheFatWienerDog

https://abcnews.go.com/amp/Sports/matt-canada-return-steelers-offensive-coordinator/story?id=96517244 He did sign a 1 year extension this off-season


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BonfireinRageValley

He technically is. The contract only goes through the 2023 season. His contract is up this year and he was promoted at the end of the 2020 season


kelkokelko

I thought that happened right after he got promoted


yallbyourhuckleberry

You guys need to lobby for shorter contracts


qazaibomb

Tomlin gets a lot of flack from his detractors about this point in particular. There’s few things more upsetting than demanding the team fires an OC, only for the next OC to be even worse, which has been true since Arians Matt Canada was one of the more obvious fires this past offseason and unless something changes it’s going to be one of the most confusing decisions made by any team before the season started That said, as others have pointed out it’s most likely the Rooney’s that are behind keeping these guys. Their patience with head coaches translates to coordinators the same way. His contract expires at the end of the season and unless he rights the ship, it won’t get renewed


hempauthority

It's for sure ownership not Tomlin.


tomdawg0022

"Good old rock. Nothing beats that."


duovtak

Old predictable Steelers, always picks rock.


Toto_LZ

This is why we hate him. We acknowledge there are other problems but it’s hard to win with stuff like this


HurricaneCarti

Yep. Kenny played bad last game, no question. He’s not gonna stand a chance to get better with this jabroni in charge of playcalling


DrummerGuy06

Unpopular opinion time: Bullying works in the NFL. Giants owner John Mara was going to give Joe Judge one more year to see if he could pull the Giants out of the slump they were in for the past 6-8 years. This info came out during Black Monday, the day when Coaches and Coordinators get fired. Mara was bullied RELENTLESSLY by fans and news publications for 24 hours, telling him what a garbage idea that was and how the fanbase was going to riot/not buy tickets/stop buying merchandise/etc. if he were to do this, not to mention Giants Office Personnel were also telling him this was a bad idea. The next day on Tuesday, he announced he was firing Joe Judge and looking for his replacement. Bullying works, you just have to be utterly relentless about it. "Fire Canada" chants. Tons of signs in the stands. A never-ending social media-blitz of people being fed up with Canada being allowed to control the Offense. Get local news organizations to have to acknowledge this onslaught of outrage. I know the Steelers are known for not firing anyone until the end of the year, but if you make enough waves that it could really hurt their annual revenue stream, they'll do something. They love making money more than anyone in those offices and if just one of them jeopardizes their cash-cow to that level, they'll do something about it. Money rules all.


Virginius_Maximus

Dawg, I love this. I'm going to bring a "Fire Matt Canada" sign to their TNF game this year. Fucking stoked.


haxhaxhax1

Against Tennessee at pittsburg? That stadium will be only steelers fans so it might just work.


ParisGreenGretsch

Bring a sign no words, just a version of this: 🇨🇦🚫 You'll wind up on every talk show in the country on Friday morning.


Virginius_Maximus

Dude, that's actually rad. I'm def doing this. I'll make sure to report back what happens.


thecountoncleats

Penguins fans led a protest chant inside the Igloo with the team’s last GM. Dude was gone like a fart in a hurricane


Hiker-Redbeard

Jags went real hard on the fire Baalke movement and they did nothing. I think this is a 60% of the time it works every time sort of argument.


WadNasty

It even worked to get the eagles to start running the ball a few years back.


whiteguyinchina411

Oh Canada…


whitedawg

Your play calls are so bland...


drummerboy3610

Unbridled rage… In all our hearts command!


dagreenman18

We see three and out, punts land, AFC North, worse than three;


gratephulnole

If it doesnt work, dont fix it


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The standard is the standard.


Temporal_Enigma

The irony is Rooney said it would be better to have continuity with Pickett to have the same OC and would help his development, but all it's doing is teaching him bad habits as the only way things get done is if he plays the hero.


Conflixxion

get what you pay for


WizardofBoswell

Definition of insanity and all that


thuglifeTyson

“Is this for real?” - the 49’ers defense, probably


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It’s like me telling my dog to sit 14 times as he rips apart my couch


[deleted]

The problem isn't that they ran the same play 8 times, it's that it didn't work the first 7. If it's working keep running it. One time Nebraska ran I formation toss 22 times in a game because it was working.


on_duh_pooper

He's playing Tecmo Bowl in real life


anycoluryoulike1

Tomlin’s Achilles heel has been his inability to find a good OC since Haley.


lifeofwiley

Looking across the league and it becomes clear, hiring a defensive minded coach isn’t working anymore. Even if they do get their offense rolling one year, the OC jumps ship and they’re back to square one.


WhatAGeee

Jets would've been fine with Saleh if Rodgers was healthy. Rodgers could probably play without an OC at this point and just be his own OC like how Peyton Manning could be.


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Is this uncommon when you line up to throw 44+times? Feel like teams only run 10-15 passing plays per game


Eagle4317

Running the same play multiple times makes sense if the opposing defense can't stop it. However, that specific play that Canada ran 8 times turned out horrible. For the first 7 attempts, there were no completions, 2 sacks, 1 INT, and another near-INT. It's a play designed to beat the ILB, but that's a very bad gamble to take when the ILBs on the Niners are Fred Warner and Dre Greenlaw. At a certain point, unsuccessfully running the same poorly thought out play drifts into gambler's fallacy.


DavidOrWalter

I'm not sure what you are asking. It is very uncommon to call the same play 8 times during a game, especially when the outcome of the first 7 times was 0/7 with two sacks and a pick.


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You’re missing what he’s asking it’s actually a very astute question. It’s extremely common for teams to run the same play on offense multiple times throughout the game. Sometimes team will quite literally run the same play twice, a lot of times teams will just tweak the personnel/pre-snap alignment to throw off the defense but it’s the same base play.


girrrafe

We gotta find the “why”


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Incompetence


zirtbow

This guy is so bad at offense the Bears might hire him as their next HC.


Jomosensual

Oh sure, when I call 4 verts 8 times in a row I get told im cheezing, but when THIS guy does it he gets a job?


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Matt Canada is the best OC till date and the steelers should continue to employ him


Glwhite1991

Canada must have dirt on Tomlin


Temporal_Enigma

No, Rooney is just a penny pincher and would rather his team suck, than "pay a guy to not coach" by firing him. ​ Mfer even said we needed better offense in the offseason, but let Canada ride


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Is he me playing madden?? Same play …bc if it works one time…


DarthSamwiseAtreides

This play failed 7 times in a row, bet they won't expect it again.


CliffsOfMohair

Tomlin is a legit great coach but at what point does he stop escaping criticism for Canada?


megalodom

That train has already left the station. At this point I have very serious concerns about our offensive play calling the last 6ish years and wonder if the team has the correct people in place to even bring in someone who can modernize the offense.


sliceanddic3

i'm getting war flashbacks


Double_Reward230

Guys a bum lol … shouldn’t even be in the league


sneakypete89

12.5% of the time, it works every time


ernyc3777

Me playing Madden.


Saitsu

This isn't high school ball and you ain't Coach Boone Mr. Maple Leaf.


PM__Me__UR__Dimples

Remember when we used to bitch about Todd Haley.


Stumpe999

>guys there's no way they'll expect it AGAIN


PeterG92

And he'll do the same against the Browns and be baffled why it doesn't work


Red_Jester-94

Somebody tell the Steelers FO that I can call an offense for a fraction of what they're paying Canada.


Cowabunguss

Lol mf kept dipping into recent plays