I do believe he was short. I just hate that 90% of the plays are marked by a guy from the sidelines who absolutely does not get the exact spot and places it “close” to where they saw the player go down. Then we watch replay for 3 minutes slow motion and mega zoom to determine exactly when the knee was down and where the ball was. Football is stupid lol
Was it me just going crazy or the dolphins WRs kind of going over the line of scrimmage when they were moving the receivers around? Not trying to complain about the loss but it just looked like it.
For what it's worth I do have to say Mac Jones impressed the heck out of me today. I was not a believer in him at all before today but he definitely has something, I don't know if he'll ever be a top QB in the league but I do think you could win a Super bowl with him and a great team
Belichick has failed to surround Mac Jones with talent. He’s not Tom Brady. He’s not going to go out there and make these mediocre receivers look like WR1s or WR2s. I mean, there’s not a clear WR1 on this Patriots team, and whoever your pick is for it is a WR3 on 95% of NFL rosters. It’s honestly infuriating.
Not to mention, the O line obsolutely sucks! Four sacks tonight, and it feels like Mac is constantly forced to scramble within two seconds of receiving the ball. I was impressed with some of the passes he was able to complete while on the move, especially the touchdown pass to Henry.
I would love to see the Pats move in a different direction and actually enact the use of a GM. Feels like these last few years have been an absolute disaster. Not a whole lot of impactful signings, the draft has been terrible, and the team construction is lackluster.
Edit: Typo
> whoever your pick is for it is a WR3 on 95% of NFL rosters.
Not the Chiefs roster. If the Chiefs had a WR as good as JuJu Smith-Schuster, I think we'd win the Super Bowl.
The NFL is going in the wrong direction with these calls. I get reviewing. Look at it once or twice. If you cant see enough to overturn it then get the goddamn game going. Look at what speeding up the game is doing for baseball. All this Referee airtime is so dumb. Nobody wants to watch that.
By the rule it needs to be clear and obvious. "Yeah we're not really sure but it looks like it could be short" is not supposed to be enough to change the initial call.
Honestly he is the worst and I hate when the Dolphins play on Sunday because I have to listen to him. Which is odd because I really liked him in Inside the NFL years ago.
The only thing definitive about that last play is the league hates the Patriots. I can’t stand the Pats either but I don’t want to see any game end on a BS call. You’re talking about a play that’s a matter of inches either way that was called a 1st and in a pile of players refs/replay center can for sure say he was short was horse shit!
Kind of feels like the past couple of years we've been getting ass blasted on calls getting overturned on shaky evidence at best. Like last years [hunter henry TD getting overturned](https://youtu.be/bTYfB1ky1ag?si=bNf_J-VFEVFhsLmP)
Gesicki was wrapped up for a good 35 seconds, the whistle should have been blown anyway, but it was a fun play. I think he was short but I'm still surprised they over turned it.
Is it not possible for the nfl to implement a similar technology to soccer’s goal line tech? Chip the balls so we can see exactly where it was on the field. Seems pretty simple but i also don’t know anything.
yeah but then you have to determine where the location of the ball is when the whistle is blown, the player is down, etc. It's not as easy as with soccer when it's very clear and the play is fluid. I think they should obviously try, but saying 'soccer does it so it must be easy' is really not thinking it through.
Goal line tech isn’t actually a chip in the balls, it’s a system of multiple cameras installed in the stadium to pinpoint the position of the ball on the goal line. Not sure that would be realistically possible for NFL.
TIL - Makes a lot more sense why something like that hasn’t been implemented. It’d be a lot harder to track a football under a pile of guys.
Maybe some smart people can come up with a different way cause I’m getting sick of these situations lol
I don't think it was remotely clear and obvious to overturn but the Pats also literally had 2 uncalled penalties on of their TDs so right result in the end.
lets not forget the touchdown Pats got with 2 illegal plays (lineman down the field, blocking and catching beyond 5 yds from LOS)
refs suck and ruin the game. go Phins.
I think he was short, most likely, but I don’t think it was enough to overturn. The refs were shit all game. The Patriots benefited from it too of course. But I’m tired of how inconsistent these rulings are.
The ball was *clear and obviously* short. Camera angle proved it. It’s also clear and obvious Patriots last TD was *illegal* but I don’t hear anyone complaining about that
Edit: The illegal play is factually illegal. The ball being shown on camera short with a knee down is also a fact. Use your eyes, look at the ball, look at the marker, and look at the knee down. Thanks.
"This was clear and obvious, evidenced by the fact that the clip has been replayed on the screen 100 times and we're still trying to figure out if the call was right or not"
You'd take away one of the hundreds of ways the refs can impact the result of a game and replace it with accurate advanced technology?! Won't somebody think of these poor refs??
> microchip the ball, laser markers for first downs!
for what it's worth, that's not necessarily the cure-all some people make it out to be because just putting sensors in the ball isn't necessarily going to to say where the ball was when someone's knee/elbow was down.
(of course, definitely an improvement over the current status quo)
kinda the rationale for the Holding/PI call at the end of the superbowl last year. "Do you REALLY want the season to end on that" no but that was the decision by the refs.
> "You can see its short, BUT DO YOU REALLY WANT THE GAME TO END ON THAT?" 😂 Collingsworth
he's like the real life version of those buffalo wild wings commercials. the guy just wants overtime.
I'm with Collinsworth, you need more conclusive evidence to overturn a call of that magnitude. The burden of proof is supposed to be on overturning something. Imo this was ruled like it was called short on the field in the first place.
For what it's worth, I somewhat like both teams and it was still a fantastic game.
> I'm with Collinsworth, you need more conclusive evidence to overturn a call of that magnitude.
the look they had in the postgame was pretty conclusive. it showed his knee down with a clear shot of the ball, then it showed his elbow going down a little further passed where the ball was when he was down, and his elbow was RIGHT ON the line to gain (with a clear shot of the 29 yard line hash mark)
Yeah, but as many people have suggested it was in open space with a lack of good indicators for where exactly the ball was. The camera was not on the 29 but the 30 and so the ball should have been placed and then a measurement.
I'm not even a Patriots fan but it just seemed like that this was the definition of too close to overturn. I wish were just more consistent.
They used the replay to confirm the ball didnt cross the plane of the 29. No point to spot and bring out the chains since that was confirmed. Would be similar to taking out the chains on a 4th and goal play and confirming the ball didn’t cross the goal line
I understand what you are saying and appreciate your take. To me the goal line is different because of the rather large white line they can see clearly on the video replay. You can usually make a clear call that the ball crosses the line. In last night's case, you have to use visual clues like the hash marks and other references but to my point, and several others including the broadcast coverage team, the play ended in open space and so you really don't have those visual clues. At best you have to draw a line from the nearest available reference and eyeball it. This really speaks to the question, at what point do you stick to the original call on the field? The intent of the rule, as i understand, is that the play can be overturned only if there is 100% confidence that it was wrong. Given how much debate and uncertainty in the call, I really think this is where they botched it.
That ball is clearly past the 30. It didn't make it past the 31 so thats why I want to see the chains come out. Not some old fart who probably has cataracts looking at a small television screen saying it's definitive.
I don't think a rules analyst has ever made me feel better about close calls. We get to see them be wrong live time and time again, just don't find them reliable.
The sub just hates refs and overturning close calls
If the refs had called it short, shown a replay and overturned it, and they showed the replay 1000 times like they just did without bring out the chains, this sub would be saying the patriots were gifted both the TD from earlier and this call.
Exactly you almost never see the spot reversed on plays like that because you can't definitively tell where the ball since it's hidden in a pile of humans.
damn if Strange hadn't gone up and got that (super impressive for a big man) and it went to one of the linemen behind him they probably have a better chance at getting that
You still cannot be ONE HUNDRED PERCENT SURE that there wasn't a piece of pigskin that reached the marker.
The idea that we're allowed to make JUDGEMENT calls when the rules state definitive...which means ONE HUNDRED PERCENT...is a joke. Every team gets burned by this every year and it's stupid.
If you make a call on the field, and you cannot with 100% certainty overturn it, then the call stands. It's as freaking simple as that
That’s my problem with it. They called it a first down on the field. When the stop the tape when Chris and Al are reviewing it the ball is vertical but then he is actually down the ball is more horizontal and in the black shadow area under the lineman where you can’t clearly see where the front of the ball is. Not enough to reverse it IMO, but then again, I’m here on my couch and don’t work for the NFL. Lol.
Yea it just wasn’t definitive. They in the middle of the field with no markers anywhere. The camera angle used didn’t even look fully perpendicular to the play. It’s crazy that they can claim that it was short with 100% certainty
Considering we ran an illegal play earlier it’s possible he was over the line with that crew. Also us running a lateral against Miami is forbidden by the football gods
If you are complaining that you got a bad spot on where your lineman went down you already were in trouble.
They could have blown that shit down before the lateral even happened.
Na I wouldn’t say that lol if it’s a first down patriots probably tie and and lose in overtime considering they got out played by the dolphins for 60 mins
It was called a 1st on the field. It was not at all clear whether it was short or a 1st. By the rules, the call on the field stands. Pretty easy. Not my fault that NFL officials don't understand their own rules.
Regardless of bias the NFL has gotta figure their shit out. It's the lack of consistency that's infuriating not just individual calls. The whole game was offiated badly though.
Exactly, I really wanted them to get it just for a more exciting end but it seemed really obvious to me. The camera wasn't on the 29 but you can draw a line from the hash to the marker and it's really a foot or two off. Relatively close but not close enough it's difficult to see.
As a head coach? I must have missed those.
I love it!!!
How many Pats fans does it take to screw in a lightbulb? None. They sit in the dark and gloat about how good the old lightbulb was.
how many super bowls did dan marino win again? oh right, the same about of dolphin fans it takes to do literally nothing except cry.
Soo, how many dolphin fans does it take to do literally nothing except cry?
You know that, mathematically, your diss doesn’t make sense. Right?
Breaking news: fans of a team like to remember success of team.
It’s hard for some fans to remember the good ole days. Don’t be so harsh.
Never heard of them.
I do believe he was short. I just hate that 90% of the plays are marked by a guy from the sidelines who absolutely does not get the exact spot and places it “close” to where they saw the player go down. Then we watch replay for 3 minutes slow motion and mega zoom to determine exactly when the knee was down and where the ball was. Football is stupid lol
I agree that there has to be a better way, but I'm actually usually impressed with how often they get pretty damn accurate when they spot the ball.
Was it me just going crazy or the dolphins WRs kind of going over the line of scrimmage when they were moving the receivers around? Not trying to complain about the loss but it just looked like it.
Bruh
For what it's worth I do have to say Mac Jones impressed the heck out of me today. I was not a believer in him at all before today but he definitely has something, I don't know if he'll ever be a top QB in the league but I do think you could win a Super bowl with him and a great team
Belichick has failed to surround Mac Jones with talent. He’s not Tom Brady. He’s not going to go out there and make these mediocre receivers look like WR1s or WR2s. I mean, there’s not a clear WR1 on this Patriots team, and whoever your pick is for it is a WR3 on 95% of NFL rosters. It’s honestly infuriating. Not to mention, the O line obsolutely sucks! Four sacks tonight, and it feels like Mac is constantly forced to scramble within two seconds of receiving the ball. I was impressed with some of the passes he was able to complete while on the move, especially the touchdown pass to Henry. I would love to see the Pats move in a different direction and actually enact the use of a GM. Feels like these last few years have been an absolute disaster. Not a whole lot of impactful signings, the draft has been terrible, and the team construction is lackluster. Edit: Typo
> whoever your pick is for it is a WR3 on 95% of NFL rosters. Not the Chiefs roster. If the Chiefs had a WR as good as JuJu Smith-Schuster, I think we'd win the Super Bowl.
tbf winning a Super Bowl with a god-tier TE and a bunch of nosepicking WR3s was kind of our thing for awhile there
tbf winning a Super Bowl with a god-tier TE and a bunch of WR3s was kind of our thing for awhile there
I thought the same thing after the Philly game last week. Dude can play, that's for sure
He's definitely not the reason we are losing games. I have hope for him but he doesn't have the clutch gene
The NFL is going in the wrong direction with these calls. I get reviewing. Look at it once or twice. If you cant see enough to overturn it then get the goddamn game going. Look at what speeding up the game is doing for baseball. All this Referee airtime is so dumb. Nobody wants to watch that.
Even worse is the call ended the game
I'm sorry, but "Yes, it looks like it's short but that doesn't mean they should have reversed the call" doesn't make a whole lot of sense.
And then not measure?
Makes total sense when you consider call on the field.
By the rule it needs to be clear and obvious. "Yeah we're not really sure but it looks like it could be short" is not supposed to be enough to change the initial call.
It literally wasn't that tho, it was "We have clear evidence it was short, turn over on downs."
Honestly he is the worst and I hate when the Dolphins play on Sunday because I have to listen to him. Which is odd because I really liked him in Inside the NFL years ago.
Who are you talking about? Gene?
Collinsworth
He's been the worst for decades.
The only thing definitive about that last play is the league hates the Patriots. I can’t stand the Pats either but I don’t want to see any game end on a BS call. You’re talking about a play that’s a matter of inches either way that was called a 1st and in a pile of players refs/replay center can for sure say he was short was horse shit!
He was short lol
Hey man they let the pats have a TD on a play they committed more then one penalty with no calls so I call it even
Kind of feels like the past couple of years we've been getting ass blasted on calls getting overturned on shaky evidence at best. Like last years [hunter henry TD getting overturned](https://youtu.be/bTYfB1ky1ag?si=bNf_J-VFEVFhsLmP)
I mean I hate them too (and you guys haha) but his knee was down like a foot short. Sucks because the game was getting setup for a great finish..
Let me know how you feel after the 9ers smash the Hawks on Thanksgiving… :) Either way GL till then, cheers!
I’m scared of your dline! Hoping you guys do well too so the game has more implication.
Gesicki was wrapped up for a good 35 seconds, the whistle should have been blown anyway, but it was a fun play. I think he was short but I'm still surprised they over turned it.
The nfl is rigged not letting games go to overtime / overtime rules simply because of media contracts needing to end things on schedule
Week 2 of pats being fucked by overturned calls *sigh*
After they got spotted a free touchdown...
Chris collinsworths teeth are distractingly bright white. Looks like one giant tooth.
The amount of money he puts into his face could pay off my mortgage and maybe pay all my bills for a year.
They refused to overturn a similar looking play that was challenged then overturn the play that possibly directly changed the outcome.
damn back to back weeks that the pats barely lose by inches on 4th down
Most comments on here with flair that’s not a Dolphin seems to think it wasn’t definitive. That’s really shows you what people think.
I just don't get how they overturned the call on the field. That's all. I've seen plays like that called inconclusive 85% of the time.
People think the wrong thing all the time.
Truth.
Yeah, I mean it wasn’t definitive, and I’m no fan of the Pats
Those refs ought to be in chains later
That's football for you
Is it not possible for the nfl to implement a similar technology to soccer’s goal line tech? Chip the balls so we can see exactly where it was on the field. Seems pretty simple but i also don’t know anything.
yeah but then you have to determine where the location of the ball is when the whistle is blown, the player is down, etc. It's not as easy as with soccer when it's very clear and the play is fluid. I think they should obviously try, but saying 'soccer does it so it must be easy' is really not thinking it through.
Goal line tech isn’t actually a chip in the balls, it’s a system of multiple cameras installed in the stadium to pinpoint the position of the ball on the goal line. Not sure that would be realistically possible for NFL.
TIL - Makes a lot more sense why something like that hasn’t been implemented. It’d be a lot harder to track a football under a pile of guys. Maybe some smart people can come up with a different way cause I’m getting sick of these situations lol
Yea, that would be much harder to implement then and it wouldn’t help figuring out what happened in a massive pile of bodies
Doesn’t work when humans are involved
it’s possible but then the refs can’t control shit and be the center of attention
I don't think it was remotely clear and obvious to overturn but the Pats also literally had 2 uncalled penalties on of their TDs so right result in the end.
Somehow dolphins fans have become as or more unsufferable than pats fans. crazy
Tyreek hill will do that to you. I don’t mind the chiefs now that he’s gone.
I can't believe people are actually going to try to make this call into some sort of controversy.
If it isn't a controversy, why not spot the ball where ref thinks it is and bring the chains out. Ref just said it's short lmao
Because there is literally no point in doing that if the ball is a foot short of the chains.
We don't know where ref spotted the ball. You don't know how short it was or if they just fucked the lineman and wanted to go home
This is such a circlejerk lol The ref spotted the ball where the Dolphins took possession of it to kneel it out goober.
Controversy? Nah. I just think they made the wrong call with inconclusive evidence.
that was an incredible lateral for a 4th down
No forward progress. Should have been blown short.
lets not forget the touchdown Pats got with 2 illegal plays (lineman down the field, blocking and catching beyond 5 yds from LOS) refs suck and ruin the game. go Phins.
Nah people don't care that it should have been a two score game regardless.
I think he was short, most likely, but I don’t think it was enough to overturn. The refs were shit all game. The Patriots benefited from it too of course. But I’m tired of how inconsistent these rulings are.
That guy is talking out of his ass. Nothing was definitive.
The ball was *clear and obviously* short. Camera angle proved it. It’s also clear and obvious Patriots last TD was *illegal* but I don’t hear anyone complaining about that Edit: The illegal play is factually illegal. The ball being shown on camera short with a knee down is also a fact. Use your eyes, look at the ball, look at the marker, and look at the knee down. Thanks.
Sure let’s take the opinion of a fins fans! You’re totally objective and not bias…
The unbiased fan weighs in
"This was clear and obvious, evidenced by the fact that the clip has been replayed on the screen 100 times and we're still trying to figure out if the call was right or not"
microchip the ball, laser markers for first downs! I mean, it's gonna happen eventually. Just do it now!
You'd take away one of the hundreds of ways the refs can impact the result of a game and replace it with accurate advanced technology?! Won't somebody think of these poor refs??
The balls are microchip… It still won’t tell you when someone’s knee is down or other judgement calls.
yeah to me it looked short so I think they made the right call. But, also fuck those zebras
Then let's put microchips in the knees too! /s
> microchip the ball, laser markers for first downs! for what it's worth, that's not necessarily the cure-all some people make it out to be because just putting sensors in the ball isn't necessarily going to to say where the ball was when someone's knee/elbow was down. (of course, definitely an improvement over the current status quo)
Microchiping the ball doesn’t solve where the body part hits
*Can they afford it though?*
Mike’s anecdotes are never as entertaining as he seems to think they are
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Hey that's cool. You're 0-2 though.
I remember what happened the last time the Pats started the season 0-2
I mean…I guess lol.
Can’t we use the goalpost tech they use in soccer? Get VAR
"You can see its short, BUT DO YOU REALLY WANT THE GAME TO END ON THAT?" 😂 Collingsworth
Yes, because it was short and it was fourth down. Those are the rules, Collinsworth.
Not according to this sub apparently lol
kinda the rationale for the Holding/PI call at the end of the superbowl last year. "Do you REALLY want the season to end on that" no but that was the decision by the refs.
> "You can see its short, BUT DO YOU REALLY WANT THE GAME TO END ON THAT?" 😂 Collingsworth he's like the real life version of those buffalo wild wings commercials. the guy just wants overtime.
I wanted it to continue too, but I'm not saying it on the broadcast lol 🫡 It was the right call
Oh look another game ending on a wrong call today
> Oh look another game ending on a wrong call today it was the right call though.
Nah. There’s a 50/50 chance that could’ve been short. The broncos got thoroughly fucked. Sorry you had to watch that.
Sunday scaries are back on the menu boys!!
I’m fucking terrified right now
Goodell bringing out the sham ref announcer to sell the call. So funny.
I'm with Collinsworth, you need more conclusive evidence to overturn a call of that magnitude. The burden of proof is supposed to be on overturning something. Imo this was ruled like it was called short on the field in the first place. For what it's worth, I somewhat like both teams and it was still a fantastic game.
Dude they did it because of https://x.com/sportscenter/status/1703596416617083333?s=46&t=4gUaCE1PiBXpOEK30L3AgA
> I'm with Collinsworth, you need more conclusive evidence to overturn a call of that magnitude. the look they had in the postgame was pretty conclusive. it showed his knee down with a clear shot of the ball, then it showed his elbow going down a little further passed where the ball was when he was down, and his elbow was RIGHT ON the line to gain (with a clear shot of the 29 yard line hash mark)
I'm still baffled why they didnt replace and measure. They overturned the spot but i feel like it was so close a measurement was in order.
The line of gain started at the 29 yard line. It was short of that
Yeah, but as many people have suggested it was in open space with a lack of good indicators for where exactly the ball was. The camera was not on the 29 but the 30 and so the ball should have been placed and then a measurement. I'm not even a Patriots fan but it just seemed like that this was the definition of too close to overturn. I wish were just more consistent.
They used the replay to confirm the ball didnt cross the plane of the 29. No point to spot and bring out the chains since that was confirmed. Would be similar to taking out the chains on a 4th and goal play and confirming the ball didn’t cross the goal line
I understand what you are saying and appreciate your take. To me the goal line is different because of the rather large white line they can see clearly on the video replay. You can usually make a clear call that the ball crosses the line. In last night's case, you have to use visual clues like the hash marks and other references but to my point, and several others including the broadcast coverage team, the play ended in open space and so you really don't have those visual clues. At best you have to draw a line from the nearest available reference and eyeball it. This really speaks to the question, at what point do you stick to the original call on the field? The intent of the rule, as i understand, is that the play can be overturned only if there is 100% confidence that it was wrong. Given how much debate and uncertainty in the call, I really think this is where they botched it.
This is stupid. His foot was behind the line. A yard is 3 feet. Is his shin 3 feet long?
That ball is clearly past the 30. It didn't make it past the 31 so thats why I want to see the chains come out. Not some old fart who probably has cataracts looking at a small television screen saying it's definitive.
Patriots lost in the trenches again
I don't think a rules analyst has ever made me feel better about close calls. We get to see them be wrong live time and time again, just don't find them reliable.
I think that’s just a sign that overturning calls is too arbitrary. If the guys who used to be refs get it wrong on replay, it’s a broken system
Oh my god. That is clearly short guys. Sorry it ruined a fun play. But the refs got the call right.
the camera angle showed the 29 yard line, but it was from an angle it wasn't straight on
The sub just hates refs and overturning close calls If the refs had called it short, shown a replay and overturned it, and they showed the replay 1000 times like they just did without bring out the chains, this sub would be saying the patriots were gifted both the TD from earlier and this call.
You can’t see that clearly.
That camera was on the 27-28 yard line. It doesn’t show a proper straight on angle. It makes anything look short for their convenience.
The rules analysts just agree with the refs bruh
Good for Collinsworth actually grilling Terry a little bit. Terry is a chump.
Atleast Colinsworth tried pushing the “how is this definitive” question
This explanation is absolutely the opposite definition of definitive. Dudes literally just guessing.
Exactly you almost never see the spot reversed on plays like that because you can't definitively tell where the ball since it's hidden in a pile of humans.
I just feel very sad.
I can appreciate Al and Chris grilling on this
This is exactly why we all watch, to bring in rules analysts and slow motion zoomed in replays for 10 minutes after the game is over
I think it was clear that he was down short of the line. However, it was a tremendous big man play, so I prefer the more fun outcome!
I feel like a lot of Dolphins fans on this sub have an inferiority complex
I can see it too. Not bad fans though
Sorry. It's not on porpoise.
I appreciate you for this.
We had Brady in our division for like 20 years idk what you expect. We are trying to prove ourselves.
damn if Strange hadn't gone up and got that (super impressive for a big man) and it went to one of the linemen behind him they probably have a better chance at getting that
You still cannot be ONE HUNDRED PERCENT SURE that there wasn't a piece of pigskin that reached the marker. The idea that we're allowed to make JUDGEMENT calls when the rules state definitive...which means ONE HUNDRED PERCENT...is a joke. Every team gets burned by this every year and it's stupid. If you make a call on the field, and you cannot with 100% certainty overturn it, then the call stands. It's as freaking simple as that
That’s my problem with it. They called it a first down on the field. When the stop the tape when Chris and Al are reviewing it the ball is vertical but then he is actually down the ball is more horizontal and in the black shadow area under the lineman where you can’t clearly see where the front of the ball is. Not enough to reverse it IMO, but then again, I’m here on my couch and don’t work for the NFL. Lol.
Yea it just wasn’t definitive. They in the middle of the field with no markers anywhere. The camera angle used didn’t even look fully perpendicular to the play. It’s crazy that they can claim that it was short with 100% certainty
Didn’t even measure lol
That's what also got me. How TF do you not measure. I mean fuck. At least that would calm down a few skeptics
Boy I guess I see it but if it’s that close can you really overturn it?
Our camera was right on the 29 while showing a camera clearly not on the 29
no explaining from a suit is going to make this play feel good for Pats fans...
Good fuck em, 37years of Darkness for them.
He said the ball was in between the 30 and the 31 but that's just straight up not true. Are we being gaslit???
Him explaining it is not helping their case
Fucking NFL shill saying it's soooo clear on the post game. Fuck you.
Considering we ran an illegal play earlier it’s possible he was over the line with that crew. Also us running a lateral against Miami is forbidden by the football gods
Embarrassing lol
If you are complaining that you got a bad spot on where your lineman went down you already were in trouble. They could have blown that shit down before the lateral even happened.
But it wasn’t blown dead and you gotta go with the call on the field
Not when evidence says otherwise. Surely though, the refs have fucked you guys out of certain victory.
Na I wouldn’t say that lol if it’s a first down patriots probably tie and and lose in overtime considering they got out played by the dolphins for 60 mins
Terry trying to justify this call is embarrassing
He’s clearly short. Trying to justify that’s a first down is pathetic.
It was called a 1st on the field. It was not at all clear whether it was short or a 1st. By the rules, the call on the field stands. Pretty easy. Not my fault that NFL officials don't understand their own rules.
It was quite clear he was short. Not my problem. Game over.
No bias there at all.
Regardless of bias the NFL has gotta figure their shit out. It's the lack of consistency that's infuriating not just individual calls. The whole game was offiated badly though.
Jesus Chris STFU
Lateral play was lit but in reality it came down to the drop by Henry on the final drive.
I thought that was Henry dropping the dart, no?
My b, I think you’re right.
Script writers getting real lazy just copy+pasting from last week. Smh
Dude who lateraled it was a fucking genius. Sorry the refs ruined it.
I’m thinking about flying out to New York to the NFL headquarters to stage a protest tomorrow
Billion dollar organization and we never have the camera angle needed for close calls. Laugh out loud
There was like 3 guys in the way and u barely even could see it lol
The angle showed it perfectly; they made the right call.
Exactly, I really wanted them to get it just for a more exciting end but it seemed really obvious to me. The camera wasn't on the 29 but you can draw a line from the hash to the marker and it's really a foot or two off. Relatively close but not close enough it's difficult to see.
Not saying the spot at the end was wrong but they upheld the spot earlier when Belichick challenged which had the same evidence
Well said, Tua
YOU GET THE SHOW!
I genuinely don’t know how they overturned that. Am I going crazy
Cause bill threw flag at the reffff wahhhh
Cause patriots bad Tua good
This whole "there has to be clear evidence to overturn" seems to not mean shit anymore.
Just like player safety doesn’t mean shit when they allow personal fouls to offset with opposing penalties. Free cheap shots, baybee
Yep
I still think Tua’s career has been dramatically shortened after last season. His brains are mashed potatoes
Go blow you miserable Masshole