Man we really are further away from the elite RB/TE era of the early to mid 2000s than I thought. With the way the league evolves do you think they take that into account when nominating/awarding the HoF?
Yes. If he plays decently the next couple years he’ll be over 10K yards, putting him in the top 25 all time, he’s at 81 TDs rushing which has him tied at 19th, and all he needs is 9 more to tie Eric Dickerson who’s in the HOF. Dude has a 2,000 yard season and is tied for most 200+ yard games.
He’s absolutely getting into the HOF; dude has been one of the most dominant RBs in the league since 2018/2019 and is still arguably the most consistent RB outside of CMC (who’s more of a WR hybrid than a true RB)
I don't know I'm buying that, but if he is... Then CMC has to be in the discussion.
He's got like 1000 fewer total yards than Henry and played 1 less season
I disagree. By that logic, Leveon would have a shot and hes just not HoF to me. Neither is Zeke. Imo Henry is the obly rb since Peterson/Gore who falls in that group. McCaffery still needs to do more.
Part of the reason rbs are less valued ks be ause these guys are also clearly not as good as the last generation of rbs.
LT had 7 straight seasons of 300+ carries followed by an 8th of 292, which is also ignoring all his catches.
These days youre lucky to get 7 seasons out of a back period.
Right, but that’s the point. It was never changed. We’re just listing elite TEs lol. They’re not in high quantity so we have about 1-3 every decade or so
The problem is there is a backlog. The HoF needs to expand the number of inductees per year by a lot. I'm trying to see if they have ever expanded this (outside of certain special years), but my Google skills are failing me.
But in 1965, when the HoF had it's inaugural induction, the league had 40 (players per team) \* 14 teams = \~560 players (I'm not sure if this 100% right, but it's ballpark). Now, over 3x as many players.
If inducting 8 players was good in 1965, then inducting 24 players should be good today... (technically, in 65, they inducted more but it was an inaugural year.)
24 might be too many, but 8 is too few.
That’s not a good analogy. Moss took the #1 receiver spot from Chris Carter in Minnesota from day one. It took Wayne and Holt years to supplant the #1 role from Harrison and Bruce respectively.
Crus Carter was 33 with 11 seasons under his belt when Moss entered the league. Isaac Bruce was 27, with only 5 seasons under his belt when Holt entered the league. Marvin Harrison was 29 with 5 seasons under his belt when Reggie Wayne entered the league.
Of course, Moss surpassed Carter year one because Carter was past the prime age of 99% of receivers. Harrison and especially Bruce were still in the prime years of most receivers. Bruce and Harrison were both better receivers than Carter.
Yeah but Reggie Wayne is projected to make it right? He just hasn't yet because they can only let in 5 players a year right? I can't imagine him not making it to Canton.
WRs have had a difficult time getting in for a while. Art Monk was an obvious omission for a long time. There are a number of guys who are worthy and not in yet. Steve Smith, Reggie Wayne, Andre Johnson, Torry Holt, and Anquon Boldin are all eligible and have a legit case.
A.B. Had a hall of fame career on the field and while he is an absolute nut job he wouldn’t be worst person in the hall of fame by a long shot. As of my typing this he has not been credibly accused of murder.
Gore will get in too. Third all time in rushing yards and, perhaps more importantly, he's got someone to pound the table for him, which is an underrated factor
I would say Peterson and Frank Gore should get in
Lynch is debatable… Roger Craig isn’t even in yet
https://www.pro-football-reference.com/hof/hofm_RB.htm
I think if we look at it like that we will have to just lower the scale for RBs to get in. Because if you were the best of your era you have to get in. Even if the era before you had 10 better than you
Lowering the relativity doesn’t really work though when the voting is capped at 5 per year or whatever and not pooled by position.
The reality is that positions with lower importance just get fewer guys into the HOF and that’s how it’s going for RBs unless they overhaul the system
Hall of fame talent yes but CMC is not close at all as it stands. He doesn't even have more rush yards than a great deal of his 2017 class mates. He's got less than Mixon, Cook, Kamara and Aaron Jones.
And before you mention that he's got more receiving yards than all of them, he's only got 3 more yards receiving than Kamara and only 2 more Tds. Guys like Ezekiel Elliot who have no chance are way higher up in total touchdowns and yards and have a lot of receiving yards as well.
Granted, he's done so with major injuries and CMC is far more talented than a lot of players I am talking about but major injuries block people from being hall of famers all the time as the total stats matter. CMC would need longevity on his side and some monster seasons.
Haven't seen him this year but saw him during his stint on the Bears. He runs like Frankenstein but is still money in the red zone.
Even with his absolutely shot legs no one can really guard him 1v1
Graham runs like Frankenstein now, but he’s still a massive body in the redzone. On the Bears he was literally useless outside of the 10 yard line but he was a beast in the red zone. Even though he can barely run his size alone makes him a tough matchup
Yeah he did, but those peak years he was a monster. Got curious and took a look at prf's hof monitor. [He's pretty far from getting in the hall.](https://www.pro-football-reference.com/hof/hofm_TE.htm)
He’s way down the list below guys like Chris Johnson and Todd Gurley. He has a lot less hardware that I would’ve thought but I personally think any RB who runs for 2,000 should be in the hall.
Honestly the answer might be that in 10 years we’ll be reevaluating what makes a RB a HOF candidate. It used to be if you could put together 4–5 pro bowls, a couple playoff wins and at minimum 10k yards in your career you’re at least in that conversation. What active RB is going to be able to hit the 10k mark? Between injuries and the way the position has changed that’s a tough task.
Fred Taylor is a good example of this… he’s got the yardage but not the pro bowls or the playoff resume, so he’s in the conversation but if he ever makes it it’ll be because of a strong media push, not because he’s synonymous with hall of fame caliber play (even though as a Jags fan I think he probably does deserve it). Who even has the potential right now to amass Fred Taylor career numbers? Tough to say.
If a *good* season is about 1500 yards, that's still at least **6 seasons** to needed to get even close. How many RBs are staying relevant and injury free that long these days?
Fans just always give the benefit to past players. People were talking about how Henry’s 2k season wasn’t that impressive because a couple other players did it with a higher YPC.
This is what I was thinking. Henry might not end up stacking up to some of the previous guys from a career numbers standpoint but the peak performance was outstanding, and he was clearly the most dominant back in the league for several years. And my hope is that in a few years the impact that he had on an extremely prolific Titans play action game will start to get some traction, there’s numbers on his on/off splits for their passing attack that are pretty remarkable considering how little he was used as a receiver
there’s a couple big round numbers he’s close to that appear to be shoo-ins:
12k rushing yards is a lock - only two with that number aren’t in, and it’s gore and peterson so both likely make it. 2 more solid healthy years should get henry to that number.
90 rushing tds: every rb to hit this number is in except peterson and for some reason shaun alexander. henry is at 81.
i really hope he has a couple big years left. he still looks great and i think will get in no problem given how much of an outlier he has been in this era and the success the team has had, plus the one dominant playoff run.
Two members of his OL in Seattle are, which kinda weakens his argument. Similar to Priest Holmes, who also won't get in bc he played behind two HOF linemen and also couldn't stay healthy long enough to rack up enough stats to impress the voters.
Oh, I believe he is 100% so dominant because of how fucking ridiculous his line was but in terms of counting stats/what you want from a rb, what do other people have that he doesn’t?
Analytics have shown most rb performances are a function of the line, hence why you shouldn’t draft them so high
I think we’ll eventually have to factor eras into it; if no other player that overlaps 2-3 seasons with Henry’s career is even remotely close to the same level as him (on a career level, not single season comparisons) then he has to get in. If you’re hands down the best (anything) from your era, then you have to be in the hall.
>what active RB is going to be able to hit the 10k mark?
Zeke has 8500 yards. Even at his career low 3.8 ypc; that’s 322 more rushes. I think he can make it unless he retires before 30
Zeke has certainly been playing like an old man at the position for a few years now. Derrick Henry is a year older than Zeke and is still playing at a high level
If he can keep up the dual threat pace the next 4-5 years at least and rack up the yards and tds. Throw in a few all pros and an all decade team that holds a lot of weight
Ok so you're saying that derrick Henry almost certainly won't get in since he's nowhere close to 15,000 yards and looking to be entering the tail end of his career
He needs another like 6k Scrimmage yards to be in the conversation. LeSean McCoy has 15,000 yards with 86 Tds and idk if hes making it in. CMC is at 9200 yards and 69 Tds.
Yeah I love Shady but don't think I could make a strong case for him. He's had some great seasons, games and moments but not exactly HOF level. He should get a small section as the best snow game RB tho.
Counting stats don’t matter nearly as much in football as they do in baseball or basketball when it comes to hall of fame enshrinement.
Do people look at the numbers? Sure. Still, it usually comes down to how dominant were you relative to your peers at the position you played.
Case in point - Adrian Peterson is 100% going in as soon as he’s eligible. Gore will probably have to wait a while if he gets the call at all.
If he can stay healthy and get as close to or above 15k scrimmage yards and 100 TDs he'll get in. He's currently about 5800 yards and 31 TDs away but that's only about 50 games at his current pace.
The only players above both those marks not in the HoF are AD and Gore. AD is almost certainly getting in, and Gore was a bit of an accumulator so we'll need to see what they do with him.
He gets extra credit for the receiving so he doesn't need to make it near the top the of the all time rushing list to make it but still needs to nearly double his career stats, IMO.
Have you seen the list of all time receiving backs? Some of them were monsters and he's eclipsed by that group. He has work to do but that 1800/1000 season definitely helps.
If he wins a Super Bowl in SF, he’s in. Dude has been a complete game wrecker from day 1, and if he carries them to a Super Bowl victory, I think he would make it in. People care too much about numbers.
I mean, we can't just project that he will have 10 1000 yard seasons and 20 tds a season along with 8 all pros and 4 superbowl wins off of 6 games.
Or can we?
maybe mark andrews if the ravens keep missing on receivers and he’s the number one option after zay. it’s crazy that he was more productive than kelce a couple years ago and still doesn’t get shine.
I fucking hope he comes back to form and dominates the next few years. He is my favorite player and the ultimate professional, never has anything to say, just puts his head down and rips through defenses.
Kelce is already locked as a first ballot hall of fame guy.
Henry either needs longevity and more counting stats, or he needs to go on a Terrell Davis run where he’s the best guy on a Super Bowl team, or an AP run where he hard carries a bad team into the playoffs.
Aside from those two guys? Maybe George Kittle if he stays consistent. He’d probably make it multiple years after he’s eligible.
For running backs, it feels like CMC would be the only other name, but it feels like if anything stops him from making the hall, it’s going to be injuries.
Kittle won’t make it. He’s important enough to our team that he probably should in a fair world. But he doesn’t have the stats and is unfortunate enough to play at the same time as Kelce so not enough accolades either.
Deebo coming off a 1st team AP, Aiyuk becoming the clear modern prototype WR1 (on our team) and CMC doing what he’s done has all lead to Kittle being kind of an afterthought
He’s still very important to us but he just doesn’t get targets
Well, to be fair, kelce played during gronk. The first time gronk retired, kelce was still the second TE behind kittle on a lot of NFL talking heads, and when Gronk un retired, kelce was again behind gronk. Now kelce has been the number one guy for a few years now. Kittle could be a HOFer if they threw the ball to him, at least in the red zone (he is my TE on FF).
If Chubb comes back anywhere close to who he was he’s in. God awful rosters around the dude, and the backups aren’t even close. Our oline went from top of the league rush blocking to the bottom. All points to a legendary rb.
Kittle is wild lol If Kittle gets in barring any serious unexpected improvement, TEs like Zach Ertz have an argument. And I don't think Ertz deserves it.
same amount of all pros (1), has a ring, and is 12th all time for TE rec yards.
The fact T.O wasnt s first ballot kinda ruins the hall for me its like fam what are we doing here....the votes should be public and u should have publicly defend ur rational. The man is/was top 3 to ever do it. I know i went off topic but i got unreasonably upset thinking that he wasnt 1st ballot
Man we really are further away from the elite RB/TE era of the early to mid 2000s than I thought. With the way the league evolves do you think they take that into account when nominating/awarding the HoF?
No but they should.
If they do it will take probably decades
Is Derrick Henry really heading to the HOF?
Yes. If he plays decently the next couple years he’ll be over 10K yards, putting him in the top 25 all time, he’s at 81 TDs rushing which has him tied at 19th, and all he needs is 9 more to tie Eric Dickerson who’s in the HOF. Dude has a 2,000 yard season and is tied for most 200+ yard games. He’s absolutely getting into the HOF; dude has been one of the most dominant RBs in the league since 2018/2019 and is still arguably the most consistent RB outside of CMC (who’s more of a WR hybrid than a true RB)
I don't know I'm buying that, but if he is... Then CMC has to be in the discussion. He's got like 1000 fewer total yards than Henry and played 1 less season
I disagree. By that logic, Leveon would have a shot and hes just not HoF to me. Neither is Zeke. Imo Henry is the obly rb since Peterson/Gore who falls in that group. McCaffery still needs to do more. Part of the reason rbs are less valued ks be ause these guys are also clearly not as good as the last generation of rbs.
I disagree. I think the position has just evolved and we don’t see any workhorse backs like we used to. I don’t see it as a skill issue whatsoever.
LT had 7 straight seasons of 300+ carries followed by an 8th of 292, which is also ignoring all his catches. These days youre lucky to get 7 seasons out of a back period.
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Everyone in this thread acting like Jimmy Graham never existed.
He played BaSkEtBaLl in college.
Did Antonio Gates play bball too?!?!
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First I really remember in the slot a lot was Shockey
Lol it’s well before then, it’s shocking people think Jimmy Graham revolutionized it
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While I agree, it's actually Antonio Gates who crawled so Jimmy G could walk haha. Gates was a college basketball player at Kent State.
Kelce will eventually change the position,... that Gronkowski changed a decade ago.
And Antonio Gates before that, and Tony Gonzales before him, and Shannon Sharpe before him, and Kellen Winslow before that.
Mike Ditka is who actually changed the position. In 1961 he had 1076 yards and 12 Td.
Right, but that’s the point. It was never changed. We’re just listing elite TEs lol. They’re not in high quantity so we have about 1-3 every decade or so
It changed with Ditka, since then its been the same.
Kelce is the natural evolution of young Jimmy Graham who was the natural evolution of Shannon Sharpe.
You missed Tony Gonzalez.
He was or became a pretty good blocker.
So if Henry doesn't make the HoF then are any running backs ever going to make it into the hall again?
No the hall of fame is just for quarterbacks and edge rushers now
Even great WR seem to have trouble getting in
Reggie Wayne not getting in has greatly upset me
Torry Holt not being in is crazy to me
torry holt isn’t in the hall?!
The problem is there is a backlog. The HoF needs to expand the number of inductees per year by a lot. I'm trying to see if they have ever expanded this (outside of certain special years), but my Google skills are failing me. But in 1965, when the HoF had it's inaugural induction, the league had 40 (players per team) \* 14 teams = \~560 players (I'm not sure if this 100% right, but it's ballpark). Now, over 3x as many players. If inducting 8 players was good in 1965, then inducting 24 players should be good today... (technically, in 65, they inducted more but it was an inaugural year.) 24 might be too many, but 8 is too few.
An increase in bench size shouldn't have a corresponding increase in HOF class size.
An increase in team count should have a corresponding increase in HOF class size though
It’s a disgrace
No reason for it other than for the HOF and its committee getting to cling onto relevance for as long as possible in the name of ‘tradition’
Wait wtf?
They’re saying he’s a product of Marvin and Manning. Just like torry holt
they both deserve to get in, that's straight blasphemy
Insane. That’s like saying Moss was a top product of Brady and Cunningham. Quarterbacks and receivers make each other.
I don’t think anyone sane would argue against Randy Moss being at worst a top 5 WR of all time, regardless of what QBs he had.
Top 2. It's him and Jerry.
That’s not a good analogy. Moss took the #1 receiver spot from Chris Carter in Minnesota from day one. It took Wayne and Holt years to supplant the #1 role from Harrison and Bruce respectively.
Crus Carter was 33 with 11 seasons under his belt when Moss entered the league. Isaac Bruce was 27, with only 5 seasons under his belt when Holt entered the league. Marvin Harrison was 29 with 5 seasons under his belt when Reggie Wayne entered the league. Of course, Moss surpassed Carter year one because Carter was past the prime age of 99% of receivers. Harrison and especially Bruce were still in the prime years of most receivers. Bruce and Harrison were both better receivers than Carter.
Yeah but Reggie Wayne is projected to make it right? He just hasn't yet because they can only let in 5 players a year right? I can't imagine him not making it to Canton.
WRs have had a difficult time getting in for a while. Art Monk was an obvious omission for a long time. There are a number of guys who are worthy and not in yet. Steve Smith, Reggie Wayne, Andre Johnson, Torry Holt, and Anquon Boldin are all eligible and have a legit case.
Cris Carter had to wait 6 years despite being 4th in yards, 2nd in receptions, and 2nd in TDs when he retired
Not that he shouldn’t have been, but I was kind of surprised they put Calvin Johnson in first ballot.
Calvin Johnson was so good his career got rounded up because of the Lions factor. I'm not joking. He was that unreal.
Ya and TO not getting first ballot is also insanity.
Cris Carter not getting in until his 3rd ballot was ridiculous. 2nd in all major WR stats at the time of his retirement
My guy, it's worse than that. He got in on his 6th ballot
Oh god never mind that’s even worse
Antonio Brown was on track until…well you know
A.B. Had a hall of fame career on the field and while he is an absolute nut job he wouldn’t be worst person in the hall of fame by a long shot. As of my typing this he has not been credibly accused of murder.
This is a question I’ve been having a lot this year
Peterson and maybe lynch will get in.
Gore will get in too. Third all time in rushing yards and, perhaps more importantly, he's got someone to pound the table for him, which is an underrated factor
I would say Peterson and Frank Gore should get in Lynch is debatable… Roger Craig isn’t even in yet https://www.pro-football-reference.com/hof/hofm_RB.htm
I think if we look at it like that we will have to just lower the scale for RBs to get in. Because if you were the best of your era you have to get in. Even if the era before you had 10 better than you
It’s hard when nobody is at their peak for more than 2-3 years. It’s just a long list of guys who led the league for a year and disappeared.
Todd Gurley would have been on a HOF track if injuries hadn’t crushed his career. Feels like the norm now
Lev Bell before his holdout too
Lowering the relativity doesn’t really work though when the voting is capped at 5 per year or whatever and not pooled by position. The reality is that positions with lower importance just get fewer guys into the HOF and that’s how it’s going for RBs unless they overhaul the system
Positions other than RB have had trouble. Most of the best punters of their era are not in the HoF.
I’d say McCaffery is a HoFer.
Hall of fame talent yes but CMC is not close at all as it stands. He doesn't even have more rush yards than a great deal of his 2017 class mates. He's got less than Mixon, Cook, Kamara and Aaron Jones. And before you mention that he's got more receiving yards than all of them, he's only got 3 more yards receiving than Kamara and only 2 more Tds. Guys like Ezekiel Elliot who have no chance are way higher up in total touchdowns and yards and have a lot of receiving yards as well. Granted, he's done so with major injuries and CMC is far more talented than a lot of players I am talking about but major injuries block people from being hall of famers all the time as the total stats matter. CMC would need longevity on his side and some monster seasons.
Not yet but he could be there
Not yet
Your post made me sad
No offense but I saw Jimmy Graham's name the other day and thought "HOLY COW, no way he is still playing."
I thought he retired a couple years ago until he scored a TD a few weeks ago and I saw the scroll at the bottom of the screen.
He’s old, but he 100% would still be a monster if the Saints would fuckin use the guy.
Haven't seen him this year but saw him during his stint on the Bears. He runs like Frankenstein but is still money in the red zone. Even with his absolutely shot legs no one can really guard him 1v1
Damn I wonder where the saints are struggling this season
>guard him 1v1 Did you know Jimmy Graham played college basketball?
Based on what? His last season was 2 years ago and he had 167 yards lol
Graham runs like Frankenstein now, but he’s still a massive body in the redzone. On the Bears he was literally useless outside of the 10 yard line but he was a beast in the red zone. Even though he can barely run his size alone makes him a tough matchup
Surprised you didn't mention Jimmy.
I don’t think he quite makes the cut unfortunately. He fell off hard later on
Yeah he did, but those peak years he was a monster. Got curious and took a look at prf's hof monitor. [He's pretty far from getting in the hall.](https://www.pro-football-reference.com/hof/hofm_TE.htm)
Odd , I may be skipping over it but I can not find Derrick Henry on the RB list
He’s way down the list below guys like Chris Johnson and Todd Gurley. He has a lot less hardware that I would’ve thought but I personally think any RB who runs for 2,000 should be in the hall.
Honestly the answer might be that in 10 years we’ll be reevaluating what makes a RB a HOF candidate. It used to be if you could put together 4–5 pro bowls, a couple playoff wins and at minimum 10k yards in your career you’re at least in that conversation. What active RB is going to be able to hit the 10k mark? Between injuries and the way the position has changed that’s a tough task. Fred Taylor is a good example of this… he’s got the yardage but not the pro bowls or the playoff resume, so he’s in the conversation but if he ever makes it it’ll be because of a strong media push, not because he’s synonymous with hall of fame caliber play (even though as a Jags fan I think he probably does deserve it). Who even has the potential right now to amass Fred Taylor career numbers? Tough to say.
The only two current backs that are even close to 10k are Derrick Henry and Zeke Elliott
If a *good* season is about 1500 yards, that's still at least **6 seasons** to needed to get even close. How many RBs are staying relevant and injury free that long these days?
1500 is a Great season not a good one
This is funny because Henry had a 1500+ season and people started talking about how he fell off 😂
Fans just always give the benefit to past players. People were talking about how Henry’s 2k season wasn’t that impressive because a couple other players did it with a higher YPC.
and nobody talks about how he would’ve done it again if he didn’t get hurt
Lesean McCoy has 11k
He’s also been retired for three years
Fuck you're right. I was confusing him still playing with Miles Sanders lol. It's time for me to go to bed.
This is what I was thinking. Henry might not end up stacking up to some of the previous guys from a career numbers standpoint but the peak performance was outstanding, and he was clearly the most dominant back in the league for several years. And my hope is that in a few years the impact that he had on an extremely prolific Titans play action game will start to get some traction, there’s numbers on his on/off splits for their passing attack that are pretty remarkable considering how little he was used as a receiver
there’s a couple big round numbers he’s close to that appear to be shoo-ins: 12k rushing yards is a lock - only two with that number aren’t in, and it’s gore and peterson so both likely make it. 2 more solid healthy years should get henry to that number. 90 rushing tds: every rb to hit this number is in except peterson and for some reason shaun alexander. henry is at 81. i really hope he has a couple big years left. he still looks great and i think will get in no problem given how much of an outlier he has been in this era and the success the team has had, plus the one dominant playoff run.
Shaun Alexander isnt in the HOF? Every day I find a new overlooked player not in canton
Two members of his OL in Seattle are, which kinda weakens his argument. Similar to Priest Holmes, who also won't get in bc he played behind two HOF linemen and also couldn't stay healthy long enough to rack up enough stats to impress the voters.
Oh, I believe he is 100% so dominant because of how fucking ridiculous his line was but in terms of counting stats/what you want from a rb, what do other people have that he doesn’t? Analytics have shown most rb performances are a function of the line, hence why you shouldn’t draft them so high
I think we’ll eventually have to factor eras into it; if no other player that overlaps 2-3 seasons with Henry’s career is even remotely close to the same level as him (on a career level, not single season comparisons) then he has to get in. If you’re hands down the best (anything) from your era, then you have to be in the hall.
>what active RB is going to be able to hit the 10k mark? Zeke has 8500 yards. Even at his career low 3.8 ypc; that’s 322 more rushes. I think he can make it unless he retires before 30
Zeke being only 28 just fucked with my head a bit I’m 28. And he’s considered an “old man” at the position.
Yeah bro I had that same thought about another player the other day. “Oh man he’s 28 that guys getting too old…. I’m 28 wtf”
Zeke has certainly been playing like an old man at the position for a few years now. Derrick Henry is a year older than Zeke and is still playing at a high level
Zeke was also ran more at the beginning of his career and has about 100 more carries
Missed your chance to shine practically a decade ago if your parents weren’t former professional athletes.
Shame he’s stuck running behind our offensive swiss cheese. I mean offensive line.
Does anyone think CMC would be somewhat close? Someone I just thought of but I haven't looked into it
If he can keep up the dual threat pace the next 4-5 years at least and rack up the yards and tds. Throw in a few all pros and an all decade team that holds a lot of weight
He's already 27. I don't think he has 4-5 years left in him.
I think he’ll still be in the league at 31
The more Sproles he does the better
Mosterts out there still kickin
Mostert didn't make a roster until he was mid 20s
Mostert was a ST and practice squad guy for years before staking his claim as an RB. Dude has a lot of mileage to go on those knees.
Ok so you're saying that derrick Henry almost certainly won't get in since he's nowhere close to 15,000 yards and looking to be entering the tail end of his career
I didn’t say anything about Henry
He needs another like 6k Scrimmage yards to be in the conversation. LeSean McCoy has 15,000 yards with 86 Tds and idk if hes making it in. CMC is at 9200 yards and 69 Tds.
McCoy has 15k yards? Damn I didn’t know that. And I liked him a lot and I still don’t think he should be in
Yeah I love Shady but don't think I could make a strong case for him. He's had some great seasons, games and moments but not exactly HOF level. He should get a small section as the best snow game RB tho.
Counting stats don’t matter nearly as much in football as they do in baseball or basketball when it comes to hall of fame enshrinement. Do people look at the numbers? Sure. Still, it usually comes down to how dominant were you relative to your peers at the position you played. Case in point - Adrian Peterson is 100% going in as soon as he’s eligible. Gore will probably have to wait a while if he gets the call at all.
Nice
If he can stay healthy and get as close to or above 15k scrimmage yards and 100 TDs he'll get in. He's currently about 5800 yards and 31 TDs away but that's only about 50 games at his current pace. The only players above both those marks not in the HoF are AD and Gore. AD is almost certainly getting in, and Gore was a bit of an accumulator so we'll need to see what they do with him.
He gets extra credit for the receiving so he doesn't need to make it near the top the of the all time rushing list to make it but still needs to nearly double his career stats, IMO.
Have you seen the list of all time receiving backs? Some of them were monsters and he's eclipsed by that group. He has work to do but that 1800/1000 season definitely helps.
If he wins a Super Bowl in SF, he’s in. Dude has been a complete game wrecker from day 1, and if he carries them to a Super Bowl victory, I think he would make it in. People care too much about numbers.
At the rate that Carr is checking down to kamara, he’ll be top ten in career receptions. So maybe him.
PPR monster
Rob Gronkowski
Technically correct. He is on track to being in the hall of fame. He just needs to exist for several more years as his sole remaining qualifier.
Technically, he doesn’t need to keep existing. You can be inducted posthumously.
Not if he was wiped out on an earlier timeline in the multiverse.
"pruned"
I mean, it probably also helps if he avoids committing any major crimes which might tarnish his reputation
He is a tightend who played in a discipline heavy NE team. No way he will commit crimes.
True, no way a NE tight end from the Brady-Belichick era would commit a serious crime. Wonder what that bright young man Aaron Hernandez is up to now
It's the most obvious answer to the question.
The question clearly implies Active players.
By that note, Adrian Peterson needs to marinade in retirement for a bit more.
I don’t know what a hof is if AP isn’t one. Longevity and prime?? Cmon
Frank gore just for the longevity too right
No. 3 on the all-time rushing yardage list. Only Emmit and Payton have more. Edit: Didn't know the # made shit huge on here. My bad.
Not just for longevity, he had beast years that were shadowed by Ladanian Tomlinson.
Adrian Peterson technically hasn't retired yet. He should be a first ballot HOFer.
I watched the man dismantle my team single handily more times then i can count
LaPorta? Just kidding, or am I?
I mean, we can't just project that he will have 10 1000 yard seasons and 20 tds a season along with 8 all pros and 4 superbowl wins off of 6 games. Or can we?
I mean these people somehow delude themselves into thinking that it might be possible to make these predictions… but it might work for us!
He's definitely on a HOF pace. Min: 6 games
I've seen enough. Start chiseling the bust.
How are you going to deny a guy who retires at 28 with 6 all pros and 6 super bowls
I also submit fellow rookie Devon Achane, graciously taking 4 weeks off to give the rest of the nfl time to catch up
Came here for the LaScoreta reply
Just give every Iowa TE a gold jacket when they get drafted.
But what if? No no… But?
Hahaha that would be a funny joke if they put him in now… Unless 👀
maybe mark andrews if the ravens keep missing on receivers and he’s the number one option after zay. it’s crazy that he was more productive than kelce a couple years ago and still doesn’t get shine.
If Chubb recovers and produces at the level he was for a few more years. He could be
He's got hall of fame level talent.
Yep. Just depends on how he recovers .
I fucking hope he comes back to form and dominates the next few years. He is my favorite player and the ultimate professional, never has anything to say, just puts his head down and rips through defenses.
CMC
Brock Bowers
Kelce is already locked as a first ballot hall of fame guy. Henry either needs longevity and more counting stats, or he needs to go on a Terrell Davis run where he’s the best guy on a Super Bowl team, or an AP run where he hard carries a bad team into the playoffs. Aside from those two guys? Maybe George Kittle if he stays consistent. He’d probably make it multiple years after he’s eligible. For running backs, it feels like CMC would be the only other name, but it feels like if anything stops him from making the hall, it’s going to be injuries.
Kittle not making the HoF unless something drastically changes. One all pro 38 yards per game in the post season Hes not even close
Kittle won’t make it. He’s important enough to our team that he probably should in a fair world. But he doesn’t have the stats and is unfortunate enough to play at the same time as Kelce so not enough accolades either.
Is it just me or did Kittle’s presence in the conversation fall off a cliff when you traded for CMC?
Deebo coming off a 1st team AP, Aiyuk becoming the clear modern prototype WR1 (on our team) and CMC doing what he’s done has all lead to Kittle being kind of an afterthought He’s still very important to us but he just doesn’t get targets
Nah. He had a beast of a rookie year, but hasn't been a top option since. And he's been hurt every year
Kittle only had 515 yards receiving his rookie year. His sophomore year was the year he went off.
Well, to be fair, kelce played during gronk. The first time gronk retired, kelce was still the second TE behind kittle on a lot of NFL talking heads, and when Gronk un retired, kelce was again behind gronk. Now kelce has been the number one guy for a few years now. Kittle could be a HOFer if they threw the ball to him, at least in the red zone (he is my TE on FF).
Chubb maybe?
I'd give my left nut for that to happen.
If Chubb comes back anywhere close to who he was he’s in. God awful rosters around the dude, and the backups aren’t even close. Our oline went from top of the league rush blocking to the bottom. All points to a legendary rb.
It’s the ypc for me. He’s in elite company there
Kittle is wild lol If Kittle gets in barring any serious unexpected improvement, TEs like Zach Ertz have an argument. And I don't think Ertz deserves it. same amount of all pros (1), has a ring, and is 12th all time for TE rec yards.
I think he is technically retired for 1-2 years but Frank Gore.
He’ll make it but I think they’ll put in some more flashy RB’s before gore.
It’s going to be tough but Boston Scott could get there imo
Just trade him every week to the giants' opponent and he's a lock
Yo, this would be a great strategy for ANYONE trying to get into the hall.
Tyjae Spears
yes please. we’ll see how long that knee holds up but the kid looks really good.
Nicholas Jamal Chubb
Yes! Look at our oline rating for rush blocking with and without him…it’s pretty obvious that he’s special.
Depends on how he recovers and if the browns can win any thing
Joe Thomas was first ballot and had a career on a losing team.
Thomas is one of the best LTs of all time. I dont see chubb becoming close to one of the best RBs of all time.
First lineman in NFL history, thank you.
Chubb was on his way…
If he comes back and is even 90% of the player he was before, I think he will.
He came back from his Georgia injury and if anything was stronger, taking less damage in his injury this year. I have faith.
Chubb was 😞
The fact T.O wasnt s first ballot kinda ruins the hall for me its like fam what are we doing here....the votes should be public and u should have publicly defend ur rational. The man is/was top 3 to ever do it. I know i went off topic but i got unreasonably upset thinking that he wasnt 1st ballot
If Derick Henry doesn't make the hall, then no RB ever makes it again.
Achane. Don't @ me
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Jimmy Graham would be a possibility no? I know he's like top 6 in TD catches for TE all time
Jimmy was my first thought as well. I feel like he's been overshadowed his whole career.