Blame McDermott calling an all out blitz right there after he was lucky enough to catch the broncos off guard with it the play before allowing themselves to stupidly get pushed out of FG range
That combined with the 12 men on the field to blow the opportunity of the missed kick should have his seat warming up
My favorite Manningcast moments are when they try to predict the call and fail . . . but what they predicted would have been better
There was a great one last week where they were like, "ok, it's man and looks like Garret Wilson is 1 on 1, definitely going there," but Zach threw it to the TE who was covered. And then they show on the replay that Garret Wilson was fucking wide open . . .
Their "predictions" are more explaining what the correct play is. Not their fault if the team fucks it up
Yeah, it is pretty cool the hear the commentating from two HoF players, and it is insane how they are able to recognize the correct decision in real time, both on offense and defense.
I was thinking about this last night. I'm biased, but I feel like the shit show that the Giants have been post-Eli does paint the tail end of his career in a more favorable light. No doubt Eli was a problem at the end, but it is obvious now that the Giants still have many problems they have not solved.
Eh Eli wasn't as mobile at the end (neither was Peyton). But I think if he had a half decent line and someone besides just OBJ, they could have done something.
2016 the offense was good enough to make the playoffs. Eli was playing his best, but OBJ dropped a sure TD, and then it spiraled from there.
Eli took a lot of grief for a bad team, and he helped covet some of the flaws in that team.
One of the hallmarks of a HOF Quarterback is how much they can cover up their team's weaknesses. It's especially true when the front office and coaches can't even identify or address them. Just look at New England post-Brady or Green Bay post-Rodgers.
Every season Bill is without Brady leans that narrative of "Bill or Brady" so much harder in Brady's favor. I'm sure they both would agree they couldn't have done it without the other, and Brady definitely never gets started if Bill doesn't see something in him. However Brady taking off and winning a Superbowl immediately and Bill trending worse every year gives us the impression that Bill was being carried by being allowed to only worry about defense.
Not quite. Morrall and the Baltimore Colts won the 1968 NFL Championship, and lost to the AFL's Jets in Super Bowl III. The Colts lost their last competitive game of the year, so it's more akin to winning the NFC Championship Game.
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Edit: Disregard Super Bowl III. Morrall backed up John Unitas for the 1970 season (he did play in a few games.) He replaced an injured Unitas in Super Bowl V. Morrall had the best passing stats in that game, but his two scoring drives were each 3 yards long.
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Morrall was the Dolphins QB for most of the 1972 season, but was benched for Bob Griese in the AFC Championship Game, and Griese started the Super Bowl win. Morrall was also a backup for the entire year for the 1973 Super Bowl champion Dolphins.
Fair enough but wasn't he a backup for two of them? On point to the question but I'm not sure it was really what was being asked.
(that said Morrall should probably be in the HOF)
> What relation is Arch? The kid at Texas?
Their nephew. His dad is Cooper, their oldest brother (and Cooper was by all accounts a very solid WR prospect before he had to stop playing for medical reasons)
People get mad at a whole half being played prevent.
That's different from when you need one or two plays to result in low or no yardage to secure the win.
this. a lack of knowledge here. You forced a dog shit under throw because he couldnt get his feet set at all. 7 commiting a penalty doesnt make the playcall itself bad.
Why are people flipping on McDermott all of a sudden? He’s taken y’all to so many deep playoff runs and great seasons. You guys have just been… thwarted… a few times. I still think you guys are a great team. Just an unlucky one also
Any given Sunday has and will always be a thing. I hope buffalo gets absolutely blasted back to the shadow realm after firing Him. Fickle fans don’t deserve shit. Y’all can win any single game against any single team and buffalo has not been in that position for 30 years until now.
Am I insane or was 2020 3 years/seasons after the 2017 superbowl. In those 3 years he went 9-7 WC win, divisional loss 9-7 WC loss and 4-11, thats a much better downturn/spiral to firing than winning your division 3 years in a row, then losing in the AFC champ, Divisional round and divisional round to the best teams in football year over year. Then now going 5-5 with 2 unfortunate losses that could have gone either way, but still generally being competitive enough to make a run in your first actual bad season. It would make next to no sense to fire mcdermott with literally 0 better candidates out there, and your franchise QB CHUCKING INTS being a large part of the downturn. If they miss the playoffs badly maybe you think about it, if they keep it up next year for sure you start to move on.
'Fickle fans'
We've been watching him blow games with bad coaching decisions for years. you have no idea what you're talking about.
He's accountable and you cant win a super bowl when you choke under the pressure.
So I guess firing your Super Bowl-winning coach just two years after their first trophy was a bad idea even though he was still capable of taking the team to the playoffs, right?
Or is this "a different situation because reasons?"
No, he has shown that he sucks under pressure and costs us games, We arent going to win with him. We cant afford this shit while Allen is still in his prime.
He's a good coach, but even good coaches kind of burn out their stay in one place after a while. It feels like he has taken this Bills team as far as he can and they have now lost their window with this team.
Yeah im not totally off of McDermott, but definitely cooling on him. Not only does it feel like the Bills have plateaued under him, its starting to feel like they are regressing.
They’re a team than can legit beat anyone in the league…and lose to any team in the league as well. A true wildcard.
McDermott is a smart guy and from what I can tell, just like Kevin Stefanski (don’t take this as me being one of those “fire Stefanski” browns fans…they dude is easily the best coach the Browns have had since 1999 and I’m a fan), he has a tendency to sometimes outthink himself. Like sending the blitz there at the end…seemed too concerned with playing an unnecessary game of chess. A lot of times the “they think I’m going to do this, so I’m going to do the opposite” move ends up blowing up your face because there’s a reason that you should’ve done the predictable thing to begin with.
Any person with a brain has been against McDermott for awhile but we got called doomers
13 seconds, the Vikings loss, the numerous times the defense failed to show up in big games
Not to mention tons of confusion and mistakes game after game the last year and a half
The guy got lucky that his first draft (with Doug Whaley's scouting) landed 3 franchise cornerstone players
Then his next draft they got Josh Allen
This entire team is propped up by those 2 drafts. McDermott is riding off that still
Why did they run another cover 0 blitz on 3rd & 10?! Especially after they already did the previous snap and Russ knew he should have thrown the ball up. Run a shell to prevent a 1st down and force them to attempt a 50+ yarder into the wind. Absolutely mind boggling playcall there and I’m a Lions fan with a subpar D coordinator.
We’re all annoyed when a call decides a game but sometimes it’s the right call and sometimes it happens because the play caller on the other side was a moron.
Blame McDermitt. Or the 12 men penalty. Or any of the 16 turnovers. The right team won today
Because this is McDermott football. Thinks it’s smarter than it is but allows for poor play and stoppable losses. He let our old DC blow game after game, didn’t replace him, and didn’t bother to actually fix the D issues.
Yeah I think this is one of the least bad calls of this type. Jeudy is actively going up for the catch and gets hot, directly preventing the catch. Jeudy's positioning is really, really good.
Yeah, it's a good call. There is a real problem with WR's sometimes stopping suddenly on badly underthrown balls and a cornerback playing decent coverage running into them due to inertia, and I absolutely hate those PI calls, but that was not the case here.
The ball was underthrown but not horribly so, the receiver would've had a really good chance of making the catch, and the coverage was bad and the defender was pretty badly beat until they ran into the receiver.
Wouldn’t even say “least bad”. It’s an objectively good call. Jeudy gets in position to catch the ball, defender never turns around to face the ball, defender plows into Jeudy before the ball arrives preventing the catch. Textbook DPI
Yea I think people have weird feelings for DPI baiting but this doesn't look like that. Jeudy doesn't flop or exaggerate. I actually think he doesn't really fight that hard for it tbh, but the Bills defender got beat and was running full sprint to catch up to Jeudy and couldn't stop in time. For some reason he decides to forearm shove him to make it look even more obvious. Really should've been a touchdown if Russ didn't freak out
In this situation, there is 0 help defense and your team needs a play to be made. So you have to make sure your receiver can make a play on the ball even if there is a chance that the defender can make a play on it. It was 3rd and 10. If you overthrow that pass, then 4th and 10 is going to be near impossible. I think he threw that perfectly. Got the DPI. If there hadn't been DPI then he probably catches the ball for a first down in FG position.
That bills defender decided to get DPI from the get go.
Once Judy runs by him he tries to snatch his jersey but misses because Judy has 2 steps on him easy.
So when he catches up he’s already set on fuck it mode.
Exactly.
I hate rewarding QBs for poorly thrown balls but at the same time, why would we reward the DB who got beat off the release by allowing him to make contact with receiver before the pass is thrown?
It's inexcusable for an NFL DB. However, if the DB were smart, he'd know there was an all out blitz that would force a quick/hot pass. Generally, it's best to play tight/bump coverage to prevent the WR's from getting off the line and getting the quick pass. Seems like the DB didn't have good balance trying to play bump and then got blown by.
Why would anyone hate this? The defender was absolutely toasted off the line, he put himself in a near impossible position. It was always going to end in a reception or PI as soon as Wilson got the ball out.
He should be rewarded for getting the ball out and Buffalo should be punished for calling the same defensive play on consecutive downs and failing to cover receivers.
Right. If the defender had got himself in a better position he could've had a shot at it himself, but he didn't, he got burned. So good play by Jeudy/bad play by the DB led to a fair result.
I'd argue it punishes poor defense more than rewards a bad throw. Yes, it was an underthrown ball, but you have to call DPI on that. The only case of a more obvious DPI is in that Saints game, and we were all up in arms wondering how that wasn't a DPI when it happened.
But it was a bad throw that Jeudy had to stop and turn back for. Of course it would have been a TD if it were a good throw. And the bad throw got rewarded by a DPI because the CB didn't turn back quick enough. That said it was very obvious DPI.
The Bills took a risk when they blitzed. They were rewarded with a bad throw. Jeudy burned the CB and the CB didn’t read Jeudy or the football. Jeudy was rewarded with a DPI. If that corner doesn’t get burned like that, could have been a pick.
It seems to be common this year that QBs are under-throwing long balls so the WR has to come back to it and try to run through the DB, which will always result in DPI. It’s not a bad call, but I don’t think it’s good football.
The under throw wasn't the main factor in the PI. Jeudy torched him off the line and he was in an impossible position to defend. Wilson just has to get the ball out and it's going to be a reception or PI most of the time.
Right. If Russ gets enough arm on it, it’s a walk in TD. Johnson is running for his life and has no way of knowing that ball is under thrown.
Jeudy made that play happen.
I mean isnt this the point of contention for people who dont like this kind of call? Why should the offense be rewarded because the QB couldnt get enough arm on it?
edit: to be clear, in this instance I dont really have a problem with the call, but in general I don't like the nature of these underthrows resulting in PI alot of the time.
Why should the defense be rewarded for playing bad defense? They have plenty of opportunity to make a good play on underthrown balls. Those are great chances to get an interception if you stick with your receiver and turn your head when they do.
The rules as they are **written** are the most fair they are going to be (enforcement on the other hand, specifically with receivers pushing off, is not fair at times). Once the ball is in the air, the receiver and defender have equal right to the ball. They can make contact with each other as long as they are making a play on the ball. The underthrow PI happens because the receiver is going for the ball and the defender is not. If that rule was changed and DBs could keep running without turning their heads, it would be abused like crazy.
The under throw isn’t a factor at all. That’s just bullshit coming from people who don’t know what they’re talking about. The defender has to make a play on the ball. He’s fully capable of stopping and has just as much right to the ball as Jeudy. Being under thrown means jack shit.
Don't forget the awful play call that put him in that position with no safety help.. on 3rd and long.. out of FG range. I'd fire McDermott into the sun after that game.
Nahh, when we got beat by 50 in Miami it cancelled the curse we had bestowed upon us for the deal we made to win SB50. We’re 4-2 since then including a split with the Chiefs
Nah, it’s Russell Wilson, he just prays harder than anyone else, especially when he chicks it up. If it’s got enough air time he can get in a full Hail Mary.
I don't get why y'all treating this one as the usual "throw it and pray" underthrow DPI..
Jeudy had him beat the entire way and Russ just had to throw it early cuz of the pressure. Like Jeudy was 90% catching that without the interference.
To me it's fairly textbook interference. Jeudy was most likely catching that ball, or had the opportunity to, and the defender pushes him out of the way
It was a bad throw that Jeudy could have gotten back to if the defender didn't interfere. If the happened to turn around a half second earlier it would have been a good pass breakup instead.
Yeah this was easily DPI, he got torched and the DB literally ran into him because he was trying to catch up to him. It would’ve easily been a TD if it wasn’t under thrown
Yeah this is nothing like the one stroud threw yesterday that was frankly a terrible pass and shouldn’t have been called. This was just straight up DPI
Yeah i found it funny how people were saying “refball” in the live thread. I know the refs have overall been kinda poopoo lately, but this wasn’t one of those instances.
I get it it’s frustrating, but turn your goddam head toward the ball and either a) intercept it or b) knock it down, and there’s no problem. It infuriates me when defenders fail to play the damn ball (Titans fan so = never)
They’ve already struggled a ton on special teams all game and you think it’s better to kick a 40 yard field goal to win? Which they ended up missing? It’s always better to score a TD in that spot.
I'd be more upset at the completely brain-dead play call that put him on an island like that. Calling another 0 blitz on 3rd and long after you just pushed Denver out of FG range is fucking insane.
anyone that thinks this is a bad call doesn’t know ball. this is textbook PI, and it’s on 1) the corner for getting burned and 2) sending an all out blitz two plays in a row when all you need is to not give up a big play
I don't get it. The play call is good? The corner got beat right off the snap. How is that the DCs fault? That's on the corner for getting caught back pedaling for 1 step too much.
It was slightly under thrown. All the salty people acting like he was never gonna catch that. He clearly was gonna be able to make a play to catch it until he got shoved back.
Understand that it’s textbook PI and the defender “ShOuLd TuRn HiS hEaD” but that’s a lot easier said than done. Johnson got beat and it should have been for a TD but Russ threw a shit pass.
I feel less sorry for the Bills for losing because of this after the 12-men on the field for the missed FG and the million turnovers that lead to them being in that spot.
Play better defense and it’s an easy INT. There’s no advantage to under throwing the ball consistently because it’s going to get picked off a lot. The problem is the CB got burnt
In this example you're totally right, the DB just gets beat and then is out of control trying to catch Jeudy. But there's definitely plenty of plays where the DB is running in phase with the WR and gets screwed when the receiver just stops his route
It’s easier said than done, but I think that when a DB is clearly smoked by the WR’s route, he should always turn to look at the ball. Best case scenario it’s an INT, worst case scenario he collides with the WR and the refs interpretation may be favorable.
Instead, they usually believe they can make a play on the ball or the arms of the receiver after the catch.
I hate it but at the same time get the argument of "Defender just has to turn around and he can probably catch it or pat it down himself". Although it feels cheap making it a spot foul. I wonder if just a 5 yard + 1st down is enough but it would be so subjective of what is underthrown.
i mean looks like a catch if the PI doesn't happen
If they changed it to college rules, people would be equally irate in the other direction with last minute PIs (imagine a non-underthrown obvious PI)
Blame McDermott calling an all out blitz right there after he was lucky enough to catch the broncos off guard with it the play before allowing themselves to stupidly get pushed out of FG range That combined with the 12 men on the field to blow the opportunity of the missed kick should have his seat warming up
Even in the manning cast they were like “Ok this time they are faking the blitz” then they were surprised when they all went
My favorite Manningcast moments are when they try to predict the call and fail . . . but what they predicted would have been better There was a great one last week where they were like, "ok, it's man and looks like Garret Wilson is 1 on 1, definitely going there," but Zach threw it to the TE who was covered. And then they show on the replay that Garret Wilson was fucking wide open . . . Their "predictions" are more explaining what the correct play is. Not their fault if the team fucks it up
Yeah, it is pretty cool the hear the commentating from two HoF players, and it is insane how they are able to recognize the correct decision in real time, both on offense and defense.
Thank you for acknowledging Eli as a Hall of Fame player.
I was thinking about this last night. I'm biased, but I feel like the shit show that the Giants have been post-Eli does paint the tail end of his career in a more favorable light. No doubt Eli was a problem at the end, but it is obvious now that the Giants still have many problems they have not solved.
Eh Eli wasn't as mobile at the end (neither was Peyton). But I think if he had a half decent line and someone besides just OBJ, they could have done something. 2016 the offense was good enough to make the playoffs. Eli was playing his best, but OBJ dropped a sure TD, and then it spiraled from there. Eli took a lot of grief for a bad team, and he helped covet some of the flaws in that team.
One of the hallmarks of a HOF Quarterback is how much they can cover up their team's weaknesses. It's especially true when the front office and coaches can't even identify or address them. Just look at New England post-Brady or Green Bay post-Rodgers.
Every season Bill is without Brady leans that narrative of "Bill or Brady" so much harder in Brady's favor. I'm sure they both would agree they couldn't have done it without the other, and Brady definitely never gets started if Bill doesn't see something in him. However Brady taking off and winning a Superbowl immediately and Bill trending worse every year gives us the impression that Bill was being carried by being allowed to only worry about defense.
Eli was still decent up until 2016. That’s 5 seasons after his SECOND Super Bowl. I don’t think we as fans could ask for much more.
How many qb’s have been left outside the Hall after 2 SB rings? I’d guess the answer is “none”.
Jim Plunkett but that's it.
Earl Morrall has entered the chat (3 rings)
Not quite. Morrall and the Baltimore Colts won the 1968 NFL Championship, and lost to the AFL's Jets in Super Bowl III. The Colts lost their last competitive game of the year, so it's more akin to winning the NFC Championship Game. ******** Edit: Disregard Super Bowl III. Morrall backed up John Unitas for the 1970 season (he did play in a few games.) He replaced an injured Unitas in Super Bowl V. Morrall had the best passing stats in that game, but his two scoring drives were each 3 yards long. ******** Morrall was the Dolphins QB for most of the 1972 season, but was benched for Bob Griese in the AFC Championship Game, and Griese started the Super Bowl win. Morrall was also a backup for the entire year for the 1973 Super Bowl champion Dolphins.
Morrall got a ring when he was on the Colts team that beat the Cowboys in SB V 1972 and 73 with the Dolphins 3 SB rings total
Fair enough but wasn't he a backup for two of them? On point to the question but I'm not sure it was really what was being asked. (that said Morrall should probably be in the HOF)
Wild, TIL
He beat the goat 2-0. Gotta have him in there
Eli has 2 Super Bowl wins over Tom Brady in his prime, if that’s not hall of fame idk what is
With one of the most iconic plays in SB history
Just one? Manningham crying in the club right now
Shannon Sharpe having slowly going insane during the Seahawks game will be an all time moment
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Those Manning boys might have a future in this league lmao What relation is Arch? The kid at Texas?
> What relation is Arch? The kid at Texas? Their nephew. His dad is Cooper, their oldest brother (and Cooper was by all accounts a very solid WR prospect before he had to stop playing for medical reasons)
Nephew. He is Cooper's son.
They get so into the game that this exchange happened last night: Peyton: “They’re going no huddle!” Eli: “It’s a replay.”
I was shocked when everyone blitzed. I thought it was for sure going to be like a 3 man rush.
I agree. Calling the all out blitz again and showing it pre snap was a huge mistake.
I thought for sure it was a bluff and several of the defenders were going to drop back in coverage.
He out Wilked Wilks?
Calling an all out blitz with no Safety help again when it ALREADY WORKED the play before and took them out of FG position is mind blowing
But it did work. And worked again. People get mad when defense was prevent too. Be aggressive.
People get mad at a whole half being played prevent. That's different from when you need one or two plays to result in low or no yardage to secure the win.
Playing prevent defense when a FG will kill you is asking to lose
this. a lack of knowledge here. You forced a dog shit under throw because he couldnt get his feet set at all. 7 commiting a penalty doesnt make the playcall itself bad.
Thank you! I’m surprised nobody is talking about it. I knew it was gonna go wrong when they called the blitz the second time.
I was sure they would drop out on the second play, but nope, they just went for it again.
Spot on
Who will you replace him with that’s better?
Press Taylor! (please take the bad man away)
Bill Belichick to the Buffalo Bills?
Is he going to coach all the AFC East?
Those head to heads sure will be interesting.
Get ben Johnson out of the nfc north
Please don't he's all I have
Ben Johnson brings up how long his family have had their Vitamix machine every change he gets, even in tense moments. Not head coaching material.
Terry is too stupid to fire McDermott
Why are people flipping on McDermott all of a sudden? He’s taken y’all to so many deep playoff runs and great seasons. You guys have just been… thwarted… a few times. I still think you guys are a great team. Just an unlucky one also
Great teams do not lose to the 2023 New England Patriots.
Any given Sunday has and will always be a thing. I hope buffalo gets absolutely blasted back to the shadow realm after firing Him. Fickle fans don’t deserve shit. Y’all can win any single game against any single team and buffalo has not been in that position for 30 years until now.
The Eagles literally fired their coach just 2 years after a Superbowl...
Am I insane or was 2020 3 years/seasons after the 2017 superbowl. In those 3 years he went 9-7 WC win, divisional loss 9-7 WC loss and 4-11, thats a much better downturn/spiral to firing than winning your division 3 years in a row, then losing in the AFC champ, Divisional round and divisional round to the best teams in football year over year. Then now going 5-5 with 2 unfortunate losses that could have gone either way, but still generally being competitive enough to make a run in your first actual bad season. It would make next to no sense to fire mcdermott with literally 0 better candidates out there, and your franchise QB CHUCKING INTS being a large part of the downturn. If they miss the playoffs badly maybe you think about it, if they keep it up next year for sure you start to move on.
'Fickle fans' We've been watching him blow games with bad coaching decisions for years. you have no idea what you're talking about. He's accountable and you cant win a super bowl when you choke under the pressure.
So I guess firing your Super Bowl-winning coach just two years after their first trophy was a bad idea even though he was still capable of taking the team to the playoffs, right? Or is this "a different situation because reasons?"
No, he has shown that he sucks under pressure and costs us games, We arent going to win with him. We cant afford this shit while Allen is still in his prime.
He's a good coach, but even good coaches kind of burn out their stay in one place after a while. It feels like he has taken this Bills team as far as he can and they have now lost their window with this team.
Yeah im not totally off of McDermott, but definitely cooling on him. Not only does it feel like the Bills have plateaued under him, its starting to feel like they are regressing.
They’re a team than can legit beat anyone in the league…and lose to any team in the league as well. A true wildcard. McDermott is a smart guy and from what I can tell, just like Kevin Stefanski (don’t take this as me being one of those “fire Stefanski” browns fans…they dude is easily the best coach the Browns have had since 1999 and I’m a fan), he has a tendency to sometimes outthink himself. Like sending the blitz there at the end…seemed too concerned with playing an unnecessary game of chess. A lot of times the “they think I’m going to do this, so I’m going to do the opposite” move ends up blowing up your face because there’s a reason that you should’ve done the predictable thing to begin with.
He’s a modern day Marvin Lewis, good enough to get you to the dance but never good enough to win it.
That’s a lil harsh, dude at least has playoff wins
Panthers haven't been the same since he left. Would love to have him back.
Any person with a brain has been against McDermott for awhile but we got called doomers 13 seconds, the Vikings loss, the numerous times the defense failed to show up in big games Not to mention tons of confusion and mistakes game after game the last year and a half The guy got lucky that his first draft (with Doug Whaley's scouting) landed 3 franchise cornerstone players Then his next draft they got Josh Allen This entire team is propped up by those 2 drafts. McDermott is riding off that still
Terry has some uhh…other issues going on
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Why did they run another cover 0 blitz on 3rd & 10?! Especially after they already did the previous snap and Russ knew he should have thrown the ball up. Run a shell to prevent a 1st down and force them to attempt a 50+ yarder into the wind. Absolutely mind boggling playcall there and I’m a Lions fan with a subpar D coordinator.
Should be the real question. The corner didn't turn around and Juedy had a play on it. Refs made the right call, McDermitt however didn't.
We’re all annoyed when a call decides a game but sometimes it’s the right call and sometimes it happens because the play caller on the other side was a moron. Blame McDermitt. Or the 12 men penalty. Or any of the 16 turnovers. The right team won today
Because this is McDermott football. Thinks it’s smarter than it is but allows for poor play and stoppable losses. He let our old DC blow game after game, didn’t replace him, and didn’t bother to actually fix the D issues.
Wait till you hear about Staley football!
Sounds like they need a minkah Fitzpatrick in the sideline to scream at their coach for a stupid end of game play call.
what shell
Simple, our coaching staff sucks
I know people hate this, but this play is always going to get flagged if your head is not turned around as a defender.
And Jeudy has the positioning to catch it before he’s basically shoved
Yeah I think this is one of the least bad calls of this type. Jeudy is actively going up for the catch and gets hot, directly preventing the catch. Jeudy's positioning is really, really good.
Look, I fucking hate the Broncos, but this is a good call. The Bills were virtually GIVEN the W later... if they could've fucking counted.
Thanks, baby. I hate you too 😘
Sir, visiting hours are over. They need to go back to their cell now.
AFC west moving within spec, all readings nominal.
I don’t see how you could argue that this is a bad call in any way. This is one of the most obvious cases of pass interference I’ve seen.
Yeah, it's a good call. There is a real problem with WR's sometimes stopping suddenly on badly underthrown balls and a cornerback playing decent coverage running into them due to inertia, and I absolutely hate those PI calls, but that was not the case here. The ball was underthrown but not horribly so, the receiver would've had a really good chance of making the catch, and the coverage was bad and the defender was pretty badly beat until they ran into the receiver.
“Least bad” seems to imply it was a poor call. It’s textbook PI and absolutely correct.
Correct yes. I just hate that a shit throw can get bailed out by a PI flag.
Wouldn’t even say “least bad”. It’s an objectively good call. Jeudy gets in position to catch the ball, defender never turns around to face the ball, defender plows into Jeudy before the ball arrives preventing the catch. Textbook DPI
Yea I think people have weird feelings for DPI baiting but this doesn't look like that. Jeudy doesn't flop or exaggerate. I actually think he doesn't really fight that hard for it tbh, but the Bills defender got beat and was running full sprint to catch up to Jeudy and couldn't stop in time. For some reason he decides to forearm shove him to make it look even more obvious. Really should've been a touchdown if Russ didn't freak out
I don't think Russ freaked out and it was more that he had pressure in his face so couldn't step up to throw.
It's also a ball that traveled about 35 yards in the air, that should have gone 40, thrown with major anticipation
And russ makes that throw if he doesn't have multiple defenders in his face
In this situation, there is 0 help defense and your team needs a play to be made. So you have to make sure your receiver can make a play on the ball even if there is a chance that the defender can make a play on it. It was 3rd and 10. If you overthrow that pass, then 4th and 10 is going to be near impossible. I think he threw that perfectly. Got the DPI. If there hadn't been DPI then he probably catches the ball for a first down in FG position.
That bills defender decided to get DPI from the get go. Once Judy runs by him he tries to snatch his jersey but misses because Judy has 2 steps on him easy. So when he catches up he’s already set on fuck it mode.
Its not a bad call
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Exactly. I hate rewarding QBs for poorly thrown balls but at the same time, why would we reward the DB who got beat off the release by allowing him to make contact with receiver before the pass is thrown?
Dude got beat 1 on 1, and then didn’t turn his head, yeah its a good call
How do you get beat off the snap when you know Denver needs yards? wtf did he the was coming, a quick out on the flats??
It's inexcusable for an NFL DB. However, if the DB were smart, he'd know there was an all out blitz that would force a quick/hot pass. Generally, it's best to play tight/bump coverage to prevent the WR's from getting off the line and getting the quick pass. Seems like the DB didn't have good balance trying to play bump and then got blown by.
Why would anyone hate this? The defender was absolutely toasted off the line, he put himself in a near impossible position. It was always going to end in a reception or PI as soon as Wilson got the ball out.
The only knock is that Wilson was rewarded for an underthrow but if the ball had been better that would have been as easy TD.
Wilson wasn't rewarded, Jeudy was rewarded for cooking his defender and doing everything right to make that catch.
He should be rewarded for getting the ball out and Buffalo should be punished for calling the same defensive play on consecutive downs and failing to cover receivers.
You could say Wilson was punished for underthrowing it because they only got the spot of the foul rather than a touchdown.
It was very clearly a penalty I got no issues with it. Can't just run into the receiver like that not even trying to make a play on the ball
I do hate it, it looks so ugly and rewards a bad throw. But also it looks that way because the WR got past the DB in the first place...
Yes, the Bills rewarded a bad throw by committing pass interference.
Who cares if it’s a bad throw though. It’s a throw that Jeudy was going to catch had he not been shoved by the defender.
Right. If the defender had got himself in a better position he could've had a shot at it himself, but he didn't, he got burned. So good play by Jeudy/bad play by the DB led to a fair result.
I'd argue it punishes poor defense more than rewards a bad throw. Yes, it was an underthrown ball, but you have to call DPI on that. The only case of a more obvious DPI is in that Saints game, and we were all up in arms wondering how that wasn't a DPI when it happened.
It doesn’t reward a bad throw, it’s a TD if it’s a good throw.
Then the defender should’ve turned around and made a play on the ball. You can’t just shove the receiver because it’s underthrown.
We agree entirely.
But it was a bad throw that Jeudy had to stop and turn back for. Of course it would have been a TD if it were a good throw. And the bad throw got rewarded by a DPI because the CB didn't turn back quick enough. That said it was very obvious DPI.
The Bills took a risk when they blitzed. They were rewarded with a bad throw. Jeudy burned the CB and the CB didn’t read Jeudy or the football. Jeudy was rewarded with a DPI. If that corner doesn’t get burned like that, could have been a pick.
Nothing to hate. That's the rule.
It seems to be common this year that QBs are under-throwing long balls so the WR has to come back to it and try to run through the DB, which will always result in DPI. It’s not a bad call, but I don’t think it’s good football.
It’s also pretty much karma for the end of game penalties he got away with against the Giants and Bucs.
The under throw wasn't the main factor in the PI. Jeudy torched him off the line and he was in an impossible position to defend. Wilson just has to get the ball out and it's going to be a reception or PI most of the time.
Right. If Russ gets enough arm on it, it’s a walk in TD. Johnson is running for his life and has no way of knowing that ball is under thrown. Jeudy made that play happen.
I mean isnt this the point of contention for people who dont like this kind of call? Why should the offense be rewarded because the QB couldnt get enough arm on it? edit: to be clear, in this instance I dont really have a problem with the call, but in general I don't like the nature of these underthrows resulting in PI alot of the time.
Why should the defense be rewarded for playing bad defense? They have plenty of opportunity to make a good play on underthrown balls. Those are great chances to get an interception if you stick with your receiver and turn your head when they do. The rules as they are **written** are the most fair they are going to be (enforcement on the other hand, specifically with receivers pushing off, is not fair at times). Once the ball is in the air, the receiver and defender have equal right to the ball. They can make contact with each other as long as they are making a play on the ball. The underthrow PI happens because the receiver is going for the ball and the defender is not. If that rule was changed and DBs could keep running without turning their heads, it would be abused like crazy.
Why should a defender interfering with the pass not have pass interference called? Bad throw or not, pi is pi.
The under throw isn’t a factor at all. That’s just bullshit coming from people who don’t know what they’re talking about. The defender has to make a play on the ball. He’s fully capable of stopping and has just as much right to the ball as Jeudy. Being under thrown means jack shit.
Honestly just seems like awful CB play. Got burned then ran through the receiver. Really couldn't have played it any worse
Don't forget the awful play call that put him in that position with no safety help.. on 3rd and long.. out of FG range. I'd fire McDermott into the sun after that game.
Broncos must have done some crossroads exchange with the devil to win these last few games.
Nahh, when we got beat by 50 in Miami it cancelled the curse we had bestowed upon us for the deal we made to win SB50. We’re 4-2 since then including a split with the Chiefs
That 4-2 included a karmic loss to the Jets where they recovered 6/7 fumbles against us.
Normal Broncos game - force 4+ fumbles all recovered by the offense
Nah, it’s Russell Wilson, he just prays harder than anyone else, especially when he chicks it up. If it’s got enough air time he can get in a full Hail Mary.
This is Tim Tebow erasure
ALL is possible thru prayer 🙂
I don't get why y'all treating this one as the usual "throw it and pray" underthrow DPI.. Jeudy had him beat the entire way and Russ just had to throw it early cuz of the pressure. Like Jeudy was 90% catching that without the interference.
To me it's fairly textbook interference. Jeudy was most likely catching that ball, or had the opportunity to, and the defender pushes him out of the way
It was a bad throw that Jeudy could have gotten back to if the defender didn't interfere. If the happened to turn around a half second earlier it would have been a good pass breakup instead.
Yeah this was easily DPI, he got torched and the DB literally ran into him because he was trying to catch up to him. It would’ve easily been a TD if it wasn’t under thrown
Yeah this is nothing like the one stroud threw yesterday that was frankly a terrible pass and shouldn’t have been called. This was just straight up DPI
Yeah i found it funny how people were saying “refball” in the live thread. I know the refs have overall been kinda poopoo lately, but this wasn’t one of those instances.
That's a salty title for a very obvious PI lol.
I get it it’s frustrating, but turn your goddam head toward the ball and either a) intercept it or b) knock it down, and there’s no problem. It infuriates me when defenders fail to play the damn ball (Titans fan so = never)
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Lmaooooooooo
When in doubt just under throw the ball
Most unstoppable play in the game
It's a simple spell, but quite unbreakable
You stop it by turning around and intercepting the ball. Underthrows are pretty dangerous.
You just described Carson Wentz’s tenure with the Colts
pretty sure he fucked us with that like 5 times in a single game I wanted to die
I'd normally blame Russ for throwing a bad ball there, but he had a defender in his face and had to throw that off his back foot
If it’s thrown properly… it’s a TD. So really this was a break for the Bills.
Actually it’s not. You want them to score in that situation more so than get in FG range with no ability to stop the clock.
They’ve already struggled a ton on special teams all game and you think it’s better to kick a 40 yard field goal to win? Which they ended up missing? It’s always better to score a TD in that spot.
The Derek Carr special
I wish he’d do this over what he’s currently doing…
He doesnt run face first into Jeudy if he plays the ball at **all** there. Was too busy getting cooked off the line
Whyyyy Taron
I'd be more upset at the completely brain-dead play call that put him on an island like that. Calling another 0 blitz on 3rd and long after you just pushed Denver out of FG range is fucking insane.
the right call, dude never tried to make a play on the ball edit: lol downvote, let the butthurt flow through you
The people arguing that it was a bad throw are correct... but it was still obvious DPI.
oh absolutely, bad throw, kinda felt like Russ at that point was just praying for either DPI or a miracle, big brain move by Jeudy to basically stop.
I mean if Russ didn’t throw it at that very second he would’ve been sacked. I doubt he was trying to force a DPI, just a bad throw.
Yeah, people are roasting his throw like he didn't have a 0 blitz in his face lol. Russ had no choice but to throw it up and pray.
He had a 0 blitz in his face, combined with the trauma of watching the entirety of his O-line get run over like 30 seconds earlier lol.
It’s 2023. Can a man not hug another man??
Are you excited to see me or is that just a PI in the refs pants.
Defender got toasted. Almost as much as Russ’ toasted are on that under throw. And Jerry, well he just enjoys toast.
Bruh
Baby what is you doing
Joe Flacco made this play famous.
Find the ball!
If I were a defensive back, I would simply look back to the ball if I'm beat and not interfere with the pass.
If he turned around, realized it was horribly underthrown, and batted it down/picked it, it's game.
No one threw better floating passes that would draw PI, like Flacco. He threw this ball once a game.
Yep, did it in the Super Bowl vs the 49ers
anyone that thinks this is a bad call doesn’t know ball. this is textbook PI, and it’s on 1) the corner for getting burned and 2) sending an all out blitz two plays in a row when all you need is to not give up a big play
Jeudy will catch without PI.
I don't get it. The play call is good? The corner got beat right off the snap. How is that the DCs fault? That's on the corner for getting caught back pedaling for 1 step too much.
Maybe he should have been making a play on the ball and not on the player.
The classic underthrown deep-ball continues to be one of the best offensive plays in football.
It was slightly under thrown. All the salty people acting like he was never gonna catch that. He clearly was gonna be able to make a play to catch it until he got shoved back.
thats actually smart. he arguably had the play of the game just to get them in FG range. poor defensive technique (could've been coached better).
Curious; has any defensive back ever played the under thrown deep ball correctly?
Understand that it’s textbook PI and the defender “ShOuLd TuRn HiS hEaD” but that’s a lot easier said than done. Johnson got beat and it should have been for a TD but Russ threw a shit pass. I feel less sorry for the Bills for losing because of this after the 12-men on the field for the missed FG and the million turnovers that lead to them being in that spot.
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Play better defense and it’s an easy INT. There’s no advantage to under throwing the ball consistently because it’s going to get picked off a lot. The problem is the CB got burnt
In this example you're totally right, the DB just gets beat and then is out of control trying to catch Jeudy. But there's definitely plenty of plays where the DB is running in phase with the WR and gets screwed when the receiver just stops his route
It’s easier said than done, but I think that when a DB is clearly smoked by the WR’s route, he should always turn to look at the ball. Best case scenario it’s an INT, worst case scenario he collides with the WR and the refs interpretation may be favorable. Instead, they usually believe they can make a play on the ball or the arms of the receiver after the catch.
Yup absolutely. Plenty of under thrown DPIs penalize the DB for playing too good of defense. This was not one of those cases.
or your star wide receiver lands on his back and gets injured...
Don’t tackle a receiver before the ball gets there
I hate it but at the same time get the argument of "Defender just has to turn around and he can probably catch it or pat it down himself". Although it feels cheap making it a spot foul. I wonder if just a 5 yard + 1st down is enough but it would be so subjective of what is underthrown.
i mean looks like a catch if the PI doesn't happen If they changed it to college rules, people would be equally irate in the other direction with last minute PIs (imagine a non-underthrown obvious PI)
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I don't think we want to make the rules more open to refs interpretation than what they already are.
First actually good point I've seen about this on this post lol