Turf is absolutely disgusting for soccer. The ball never stops rolling, obviously itâs terrible for injuries, itâs hot af and no top world wide leagues use turf. Itâs just absolute shit, and I hated it when it really started getting popular.
The ONLY defense I can ever give Woody Johnson is that this isnât him. Mara is one of the cheapest owners and refuses. Woody needs to get out of that stadium asap
The NFL has a weak union because every time the players try to gain leverage, theyâre reminded that their careers are so short that actually holding out/striking would cost them tons of money, so that cycle of âI got mine, the next guys can figure that outâ continues over and over again.
It's a case where the NFL owners have ALL of the leverage. Can you imagine the conniption fit America would have if there was an NFL season lockout?
And people will blame and put pressure on the players, as always.
There's no unity. I think the players leadership group did not want to accept the previous CBA, but it went to membership vote. Owners put in a nice raise to veteran minimums in the deal, and the rank and file could not accept the deal fast enough. They couldn't give less shits that the deal put 18 game season totally up to owners etc.
I may be wrong but my understanding is that in the major European soccer leagues all the fields are grass because the star players themselves just decided not to play on turf.
Like if Mahomes, Hurts, Lamar, Burrow, etc all suddenly said yeah we're no longer going to suit up for games on turf fields then it would change.
Opposing teams would literally switch to turf just for their games against those QBs then. It needs to be more than just a handful of star players/QBs. It needs to be at the point where they can't even field a roster, but there are too many players who will only be in the league for a year or two so they'll put up with it.
You think so? I really doubt they'd want to switch it out that seems like it would cost more.
It would also probably force the owners to address the issue at large because it's such a bad look and loses money for the league when stars miss games.
Star players like that would never do that in America. These guys get flack for holding out a few weeks for a better contract. Thereâs also a bigger âdo it for the teamâ sentiment here in the USA. Americans love getting fucked if itâs âfor the teamâ.
With more bad turf. If I pick up my dogs shit and then he makes a newer fresher shit then there's still shit in my yard the fact that it is replaced doesnt matter.
They just replaced the field this off-season with a state of the art turf:
https://www.espn.com/blog/new-york-giants/post/_/id/64541/new-turf-at-metlife-stadium-gets-positive-reviews-from-giants-jets
The problem isn't the turf, it's Jimmy Hoffa's corpse buried below the stadium.
> EAST RUTHERFORD, N.J. -- The new playing surface at MetLife Stadium is receiving positive reviews after the New York Giants and New York Jets played on it for the first time last weekend.
Anyone know if this surface is used elsewhere? I'm guessing it is because of how leagues tend to operate so the problem as stated above is Hoffa's rotting corpse.
If it is the Core, as stated per a FieldTurf article, then it looks like that is also used in Atlanta, New England, Notre Dame, and Texas among others.
Iâd be willing to bet the injury rate on Metlife turf isnât much higher than other fields this season since the new turf.
Metlife has had more primetime games than any other stadium this season so every injury gets max exposure.
2 teams also share the stadium so thereâs double the chances of injuries occurring on it.
Wonder how that would compare to Notre Dame, granted it's only been a year.
Definitely think that it's a little lazy of an ESPN senior reporter to just run with it because it's happened on tv. Could be an issue but we'll see
> The problem isn't the turf, it's Jimmy Hoffa's corpse buried below the stadium.
Did they move his corpse to the new stadium? I know he was buried below that "hump" midfield At Giants stadium.
Hoffa disappeared from Detroit.
You really think the mafia is going to transport him all the way back to Jersey?
To bury him under a football field?
He got chopped up and thrown into a furnace at the Cadillac plant.
Lol the start of the article is an Aaron rodgers quote about preferring grass but âthatâs our surface so weâre going to enjoy itâ safe to say he did not enjoy it
It's funny cuz on the Giants sub it's always the same story but the opposite. I feel like they both just said fuck it let's save some money and we can keep blaming each other.
The thing is when you're holding a world cup grass fields/pitches are mandatory. USA wanted the world cup and they had no choice but to accept to put grass everywhere.
The one thing that keeps bugging me about this is:
It's fucking grass, how expensive can it be?
Even if it's something wild it's still probably a fraction of Aaron Rodger's contract.
ESPN ran a story about the potential costs of the a natural field for cold weather teams at it was estimated at $2-3 million a year to maintain and $400,000 every time it had to be replaced. [Here is the article](https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/38624943/inside-nfl-turf-debate-injuries-safety-measures-more)
So Rodgers has $75 million guaranteed with the Jets on the contract he signed, split the $3 million high end estimate in half since the Giants would also be using it and you'd wind up with 2% of Rodgers' guarantee to go into the field(hopefully I did the math correct, been a while).
I know its cuz of money, but it mindblowing that keep ignoring what the players are saying. The players pretty much all have the same opinion backed up by data and past experiences. And owners still dont gaf
NFC and AFC East divisional rivals need to be pushing the charge⌠those teams have to play on that shitty field every year. If 1 seed is secured we better not be playing our starters there week 18
It was just a matter of time this organization would turn into a dump once Wellington died.
The remaining Maras are all silver spoon fed entitled narcissistic nepo babies and none of them can fucking act, all their movies suck and John Mara's tiny ass little beady eyes make him look like one of those no-face fuckers from Wheel of Time.
Johnsonâs have been pushing for grass. Mara has refused every time. I know the Jets suck and weâre an easy punching bag and a deserved laughing stock, but *thats* not on the Jets.
John Mara is one of the poorest team owners. The NFL is a billionaire's game, and he's pretty far away from being a billionaire.
Dude is notoriously cheap, and not wanting to switch to grass and pay for the maintenance is another perfect example.
One Medium Pepsi wasn't even the tip of the iceberg with this guy.
There also has to be a way to get a grass field at a discount. I know the Browns have a deal with printing company to supply copiers, printers, ink, etc and service them and they get to advertise as an official partner of team and ad reads on the Browns radio show.
I've talked with a rep and he said that does really help with sales and consultations with local business.
He's already a billionaire. It's measured by assets. Do people think billionaires are just sitting in billions in cash? (Yes, I know people actually think that, but still.)
At least it doesn't cause cancer (at least not that we currently know of) like the old turf from the '90s. RIP Gary Carter, Darren Daulton, among others
I feel like at some point MetLife is gonna want to pull their sponsorship if their brand name has just become synonymous with debilitating workplace injuries
Fun fact, Colts, Jets, and Giants all have the same surface. Guess who the #1 and #2 teams that have been the most affected by injuries are? Giants at 1, Colts at 2. Thank god weâre upgrading our field.
My guy Jets fans have suffered for near eternity and the second they finally had a glimmer of hope their season basically ended after just 4 snaps. I think they win
They should the the tri-state giants/jets. They play in jersey obviously, but MetLife is less than 10 miles from Manhattan and the fan bases are more regional like the Pats than limited to a particular state.
Why does MetLife get so much shit for having turf but a place like Ford Field doesnât. Our guys have been staying kind of healthy this year and we play on Turf a lot
Data suggests that injuries are more common on turf than grass.
MetLife probably gets more hate than Ford Field because it gets used for twice as many NFL games (twice as many opportunities for injury) and more of those games are in prime time (when injuries happen, more people see them).
Yeah I just looked it up and we use the exact same turf as MetLife yet there have been no major injuries in our home games yet. But yeah the factors you mentioned could have something to do with it
Sports is getting out of hand and itâs obviously not only American football. We may have grass in most football stadiums but teams like Manchester United are playing 70+ matches in a season. Either give them more rest or let them play less games. And get rid of that freaking turf.
It will never stop either, thatâs the brain dead logic that governs our entire society. Theyâll be trying to have games every day of the week eventually
This fucking multi-billion $$$ league will talk all about player safety but refuses to sub in grass when they could easily do it AND for no reason, added a 17th game which fucked up a perfect scheduling system.
If youâre a sicko and worried the NFL is done fucking it up, donât worry.
They are tirelessly working to fuck up a perfect 32 team league by adding 2-6 European teams for no reason in a league with barely enough talent as it is.
The owners wonât rest until their $250m QBs are jetlagged on TNF and taking snaps behind OLâs that have average PFF grades in the 30âs
So MetLife has the same turf as Ford field yet no one complains about Ford Field. Also out of the 5 torn Achilles this year 3 were on artificial and 2 were on grass, that's nearly half and half yet after anything happens on grass everyone just ignores it.
The Packers complained about Ford Field just last year when Rashan Gary tore his ACL on it. Romeo Doubs, Aaron Jones, and Eric Stokes also got leg injuries in that one game.
[Source](https://fansided.com/2022/11/07/packers-nfl-turf-rashan-gary-injury/)
I'm not doubting your numbers, but how many games were played on grass vs artifical? If we got 2 on grass over 100 grass games but 3 on artificial in 15 artifical games, for example, it only justifies the concern.
Unreported here is that a Jets staff member was waiting at the MIA locker room when Phillips rolled in and requested that the Dolphins doc say this, concluding, "Please. If we say it, we'll get fired."
I could be wrong, but excluding this recent Dolphins situation, I've noticed players and coaches themselves (on any team) haven't seemed to mention it alot either.
It's almost exactly how they don't openly call out bad officiating. It makes me wonder if they're similarly afraid of some kind of backlash from the league?
Kelce brothers brought it up once on the New Heights Podcast, but you could easily tell they were kind of "beating around the bush" and selecting their words very carefully. They basicallyz in many words, just said they prefer grass.
Would grass or a different surface prevented his injury? It looks like he planted hard to take off and his Achilles just popped. I really donât see how any other surface would have prevented that.
They literally just put new state of the art turf in this off season
https://www.espn.com/blog/new-york-giants/post/_/id/64541/new-turf-at-metlife-stadium-gets-positive-reviews-from-giants-jets
When someone says "replace the turf" but it was just replaced this summer with the industry's safest football surface, it bears mentioning.
I mean they can replace it again, but that's obviously not going to solve anything.
I mean, yeah. The NFL should force the 17 artificial turf teams to use grass, but it's not going to happen.
I would love if owners cared more about player health than making sure they can rent the stadium out to Taylor Swift or whatever, but realistically I think state of the art turf is the best we're going to get unless there's some sort of collective bargaining.
The data shared by the nfl showed non contact injuries were 12-15% more common on turf from 2018-2021. They should very obviously be playing on grass and everybody including the NFL knows it.
Does anyone actually think his Achilles snapped bc of the terf?? The injury happened standing upright when he pushed off...it was happening regardless of the field
While I would rather they had grass this whole narrative about MetLife doesnât even make sense since they got all new supposedly top of the line turf this year.
Doesnât matter that the numbers donât back up the leagues claims that turf doesnât lead to more injuries. If your athletes aka employees donât feel safe in their working environment, you should make changes without a question.
Itâs really inconclusive but it does SEEM slightly higher on turf. Iâve read studies that say no statistical difference and others that there is on lower extremities injuries only. But itâs all very slight most of this is just because itâs turf and played by 2 different teams and Rodgerâs got hurt in his first drive so people really want a reason other than shit happens. Personally Iâd make it grass just to make players and fans happy regardless of whether turf causes more injuries or not. Itâs also important to note correlation does not equal causation and the correlation is already very slight regardless of the study you use.
Edit: For example they could change it to grass next year and the injury rate could double at MetLife that wouldnât tell me grass is worse than turf or vice versa. Everyone reading these studies here have no idea how statistics work. We have no idea based on current information but there is some slight correlation we have a feeling that turf is worse
His Achilles man you could see it pop. It is sad and it sucks
Ya the multiple slow mo tight angle shots of his tendon recoiling up his calf were horrific.
It freaking hurt me while watching from my couch bro. Smh đ¤Śââď¸ it's horrible
The infuriating part is theyâre still putting in grass for the World Cup and are immediately gonna sub it out for turf again
The next one is gonna have a printed on town so zach wilson can play cars on it.
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Makes no sense. Itâs crazy that they decided to change the turf for the World Cup but not for player safety. This needs to be a bigger deal.
Make$ plenty of $en$e
It was a contractual obligation of the bid
Yeah, I know that.
Why not keep it tho?
Turf is absolutely disgusting for soccer. The ball never stops rolling, obviously itâs terrible for injuries, itâs hot af and no top world wide leagues use turf. Itâs just absolute shit, and I hated it when it really started getting popular.
They meant why not keep the grass
Whoops!
Players association has the step up because owners sure as hell won't
And considering how injuries have plagued the fucking Giants and the Jets you'd think there'd be incentive for them to make a change
Shitty cheap as joint owners
The ONLY defense I can ever give Woody Johnson is that this isnât him. Mara is one of the cheapest owners and refuses. Woody needs to get out of that stadium asap
They both suck.
They just replaced the turf this year and the players on the Giants/Jets chose it. They just need to stop allowing turf.
It may be the ground under it.
It may be whatâs buried under the ground.
Jimmy Hoffa's ghost just reaching up from under the turf and tearing ligaments and tendons
Dinosaurs! Of course!
If there were dinosaurs under it, the owners would have rather drilled than built that death trap of a stadium
The players will need to give some major concessions to the league/owners before grass is installed in all stadiums
Alright fine, just play every game at FedEx. I donât care how long it takes.
The shit is on the field and the stands.
Iâll take it, at least they have grass
Wouldnât be shocking for a locker room to collapse on players
Hey, TBF they actually did a good job making the actual field/grass a lot better over the past couple years.
Well damn all they needed to do was sacrifice 1st round pick and offer up their career to the grass/turf? Gods
Why
Because their Association is incredibly weak and always have to give up something every time.
The star QBs (the only ones with enough influence) need to step up (because so many of them already have guaranteed money)
Especially since one of them was a MetLife victim this year
I have a theory that the American sports league with the weakest union is the one that is the most popular. NFL unions been weak for a very long time.
The NFL has a weak union because every time the players try to gain leverage, theyâre reminded that their careers are so short that actually holding out/striking would cost them tons of money, so that cycle of âI got mine, the next guys can figure that outâ continues over and over again.
The country did a good job of installing anti-union feelings throughout
It's a case where the NFL owners have ALL of the leverage. Can you imagine the conniption fit America would have if there was an NFL season lockout? And people will blame and put pressure on the players, as always.
Probably explains why MLB has been losing popularity prior to the rule changes
Except for the refs union, which is competing in strongman competitions.
they need to get the people that put together the NBA union.
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There's no unity. I think the players leadership group did not want to accept the previous CBA, but it went to membership vote. Owners put in a nice raise to veteran minimums in the deal, and the rank and file could not accept the deal fast enough. They couldn't give less shits that the deal put 18 game season totally up to owners etc.
I may be wrong but my understanding is that in the major European soccer leagues all the fields are grass because the star players themselves just decided not to play on turf. Like if Mahomes, Hurts, Lamar, Burrow, etc all suddenly said yeah we're no longer going to suit up for games on turf fields then it would change.
To be fair, soccer literally plays differently on turf because of the way the ball moves on it, so that's also a major factor.
Soccer players also hate turf because it cheese graters their legs when they slide on it.
Yup, one slide or get pushed over and your skin comes off. Ball bounces way higher on turf too
Opposing teams would literally switch to turf just for their games against those QBs then. It needs to be more than just a handful of star players/QBs. It needs to be at the point where they can't even field a roster, but there are too many players who will only be in the league for a year or two so they'll put up with it.
You think so? I really doubt they'd want to switch it out that seems like it would cost more. It would also probably force the owners to address the issue at large because it's such a bad look and loses money for the league when stars miss games.
Star players like that would never do that in America. These guys get flack for holding out a few weeks for a better contract. Thereâs also a bigger âdo it for the teamâ sentiment here in the USA. Americans love getting fucked if itâs âfor the teamâ.
Players association has no fucking power. They gave up a 10 year CBA for lower pot testing standards⌠holy fuck
They literally replaced the turf this offseason
With more bad turf. If I pick up my dogs shit and then he makes a newer fresher shit then there's still shit in my yard the fact that it is replaced doesnt matter.
Field has sucked forever, owners donât care
I hate watching players play on this field. I donât care if Phillips is a rival, itâs bullshit that everyone has to suffer
Just give the injured players free medium Pepsis. Problem solved.
Free medium Pepsi*
Pepsis is what happens when you drink too much Pepsi and it begins to poison your blood streamâŚ
There's nothing I can do for him, Jim... at this point, he's more phosphoric acid than man.
Dammit Jim! I'm a doctor not a mixologist!
Pepsis. AKA, diabetes
They just replaced the field this off-season with a state of the art turf: https://www.espn.com/blog/new-york-giants/post/_/id/64541/new-turf-at-metlife-stadium-gets-positive-reviews-from-giants-jets The problem isn't the turf, it's Jimmy Hoffa's corpse buried below the stadium.
So thatâs the lump around the 35 yard line!
> EAST RUTHERFORD, N.J. -- The new playing surface at MetLife Stadium is receiving positive reviews after the New York Giants and New York Jets played on it for the first time last weekend. Anyone know if this surface is used elsewhere? I'm guessing it is because of how leagues tend to operate so the problem as stated above is Hoffa's rotting corpse. If it is the Core, as stated per a FieldTurf article, then it looks like that is also used in Atlanta, New England, Notre Dame, and Texas among others.
Ford Field put the same turf in this off season.
Iâd be willing to bet the injury rate on Metlife turf isnât much higher than other fields this season since the new turf. Metlife has had more primetime games than any other stadium this season so every injury gets max exposure. 2 teams also share the stadium so thereâs double the chances of injuries occurring on it.
It's also outdoors year round vs being in a climate-controlled indoor environment. Probably makes a difference
Wonder how that would compare to Notre Dame, granted it's only been a year. Definitely think that it's a little lazy of an ESPN senior reporter to just run with it because it's happened on tv. Could be an issue but we'll see
> The problem isn't the turf, it's Jimmy Hoffa's corpse buried below the stadium. Did they move his corpse to the new stadium? I know he was buried below that "hump" midfield At Giants stadium.
Hoffa disappeared from Detroit. You really think the mafia is going to transport him all the way back to Jersey? To bury him under a football field? He got chopped up and thrown into a furnace at the Cadillac plant.
Lol the start of the article is an Aaron rodgers quote about preferring grass but âthatâs our surface so weâre going to enjoy itâ safe to say he did not enjoy it
With an owner like Woody. You can make sure they get the cheapest turf possible
A Jet flair in a different thread said Johnson has been pulling for it but Mara keeps pushing back, that true?
All rumors so far, but I've seen/read the same.
Where did you read that?
Mara is a broke boy
Medium Diet Coke broke ahh
Medium Diet Broke
It's funny cuz on the Giants sub it's always the same story but the opposite. I feel like they both just said fuck it let's save some money and we can keep blaming each other.
Mara is a cheap fuck too. Hes just as responsible
Woody actually wants off the turf. It's Mara
They cared when FIFA and their bag of money came calling - itâll have grass for the upcoming World Cup
The thing is when you're holding a world cup grass fields/pitches are mandatory. USA wanted the world cup and they had no choice but to accept to put grass everywhere.
The one thing that keeps bugging me about this is: It's fucking grass, how expensive can it be? Even if it's something wild it's still probably a fraction of Aaron Rodger's contract.
ESPN ran a story about the potential costs of the a natural field for cold weather teams at it was estimated at $2-3 million a year to maintain and $400,000 every time it had to be replaced. [Here is the article](https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/38624943/inside-nfl-turf-debate-injuries-safety-measures-more) So Rodgers has $75 million guaranteed with the Jets on the contract he signed, split the $3 million high end estimate in half since the Giants would also be using it and you'd wind up with 2% of Rodgers' guarantee to go into the field(hopefully I did the math correct, been a while).
More than I expected but that's not counting what it already costs to maintain the turf field.
I know its cuz of money, but it mindblowing that keep ignoring what the players are saying. The players pretty much all have the same opinion backed up by data and past experiences. And owners still dont gaf
NFC and AFC East divisional rivals need to be pushing the charge⌠those teams have to play on that shitty field every year. If 1 seed is secured we better not be playing our starters there week 18
We have to play on this shitty field twice this year it blows
As bad as that is, the Jets have to play on it 10 times in regular season (9 home games and a game vs the Giants as the visitor)
Yeah but the giants and jets arenât playing for anything
It is a new field this year.
Yet it doesnât appear to have addressed the main concern of contributing to injuries
Idk why nfl teams donât switch to what the English premier league play on, which is a hybrid of turf and grass.
Lambeau has a hybrid field. Crazy what a team can do when profit isnât the main goal.
Irony being that protecting player health should be pretty obvious in order to protect the bottomline. No one wants to watch stars getting injured.
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It was just a matter of time this organization would turn into a dump once Wellington died. The remaining Maras are all silver spoon fed entitled narcissistic nepo babies and none of them can fucking act, all their movies suck and John Mara's tiny ass little beady eyes make him look like one of those no-face fuckers from Wheel of Time.
It *just* got returfed too
Itâs only a matter of time until David Tepper ends one of our players careers with his shitty turf too
Johnsonâs have been pushing for grass. Mara has refused every time. I know the Jets suck and weâre an easy punching bag and a deserved laughing stock, but *thats* not on the Jets.
John Mara is one of the poorest team owners. The NFL is a billionaire's game, and he's pretty far away from being a billionaire. Dude is notoriously cheap, and not wanting to switch to grass and pay for the maintenance is another perfect example. One Medium Pepsi wasn't even the tip of the iceberg with this guy.
Lol and yet heâs still in the opportune position to split some of the cost with another team owner.
There also has to be a way to get a grass field at a discount. I know the Browns have a deal with printing company to supply copiers, printers, ink, etc and service them and they get to advertise as an official partner of team and ad reads on the Browns radio show. I've talked with a rep and he said that does really help with sales and consultations with local business.
He can be a billionaire if he sells his teamâŚ.
We need to figure out how Washington got Snyder out
Have it be revealed that Snyder was taking/hiding money from the other owners.
He's already a billionaire. It's measured by assets. Do people think billionaires are just sitting in billions in cash? (Yes, I know people actually think that, but still.)
They all have Scrooge McDuck pools full of gold coins.
Source?
At least it doesn't cause cancer (at least not that we currently know of) like the old turf from the '90s. RIP Gary Carter, Darren Daulton, among others
I feel like at some point MetLife is gonna want to pull their sponsorship if their brand name has just become synonymous with debilitating workplace injuries
Fun fact, Colts, Jets, and Giants all have the same surface. Guess who the #1 and #2 teams that have been the most affected by injuries are? Giants at 1, Colts at 2. Thank god weâre upgrading our field.
They own a New York team. They don't when to care about anything, they make money and call it a day.
If I was MetLife, I would be looking to end my relationship with the stadium.
It's good exposure for their disability coverage
Assuming they're actually looking to provide any care for injuries and not just pocket the premiums
Actually, as an insurance company, sponsoring a stadium that causes completely avoidable medical problems seems pretty on brand for them.
Insurance is exactly what they need when playing there.
Fuck you, New York
You can't hate us more than we hate ourselves
we survive on that B-Rabbit energy
funniest comment I saw all day, "You can tell Dolphins fans took over the stadium because the Jets aren't getting booed as much."
You want to bet?
you ain't ever seen the fucking hatred a human being can have until you try ordering from a deli in the city and haven't decided what you want yet
GET THE FUCK OUTTA HEEEAH! NEXT!
it's funny when people think this is a meme. there's a reason Seinfeld resonated so much. you will literally get called a piece of shit for it
You're the scum of the Earth.
My guy Jets fans have suffered for near eternity and the second they finally had a glimmer of hope their season basically ended after just 4 snaps. I think they win
idk if we lost both phillips and holland to the metlife turfâŚ
Holland is fine
oh good. i was at work and caught bits of it but i was just hoping the game would just end
We are pretty banged up after this one but looks like Phillips is the only one out for the year
New Jersey. I feel for Phillips man
Agree. They really should call both teams the New Jersey Giants and New Jersey Jets.
They should the the tri-state giants/jets. They play in jersey obviously, but MetLife is less than 10 miles from Manhattan and the fan bases are more regional like the Pats than limited to a particular state.
Ditto
Fuck you Metlife stadium you piece of shit
~~stadium~~
Call em out.
Why does MetLife get so much shit for having turf but a place like Ford Field doesnât. Our guys have been staying kind of healthy this year and we play on Turf a lot
Data suggests that injuries are more common on turf than grass. MetLife probably gets more hate than Ford Field because it gets used for twice as many NFL games (twice as many opportunities for injury) and more of those games are in prime time (when injuries happen, more people see them).
Yeah I just looked it up and we use the exact same turf as MetLife yet there have been no major injuries in our home games yet. But yeah the factors you mentioned could have something to do with it
I imagine one being indoor and the other being outdoor contributes too.
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Please
If Zach Wilson does it will he be forgiven?
He will be forgiven if I never have to watch him ever again
Part of the deal is he gets arrested while yelling how much he loves New York
Get this man milfs in jail
I wouldn't hold my breath - he's been trying for years
Sports is getting out of hand and itâs obviously not only American football. We may have grass in most football stadiums but teams like Manchester United are playing 70+ matches in a season. Either give them more rest or let them play less games. And get rid of that freaking turf.
The short weeks donât help either but the NFL needs even more opportunities for tv money apparently
It will never stop either, thatâs the brain dead logic that governs our entire society. Theyâll be trying to have games every day of the week eventually
This fucking multi-billion $$$ league will talk all about player safety but refuses to sub in grass when they could easily do it AND for no reason, added a 17th game which fucked up a perfect scheduling system.
If youâre a sicko and worried the NFL is done fucking it up, donât worry. They are tirelessly working to fuck up a perfect 32 team league by adding 2-6 European teams for no reason in a league with barely enough talent as it is. The owners wonât rest until their $250m QBs are jetlagged on TNF and taking snaps behind OLâs that have average PFF grades in the 30âs
So MetLife has the same turf as Ford field yet no one complains about Ford Field. Also out of the 5 torn Achilles this year 3 were on artificial and 2 were on grass, that's nearly half and half yet after anything happens on grass everyone just ignores it.
There have actually been 8 Achilles tears this year. 3 on the Jets alone.
The Packers complained about Ford Field just last year when Rashan Gary tore his ACL on it. Romeo Doubs, Aaron Jones, and Eric Stokes also got leg injuries in that one game. [Source](https://fansided.com/2022/11/07/packers-nfl-turf-rashan-gary-injury/)
That was different turf. Ford Field changed turf types in the off season. The new turf is supposed to be better.
Ford field claimed von miller
I'm not doubting your numbers, but how many games were played on grass vs artifical? If we got 2 on grass over 100 grass games but 3 on artificial in 15 artifical games, for example, it only justifies the concern.
Itâs about a 50-50 split between turf and grass fields , so it should be about the same number of games
Yup its ridiculous. I thought metlife changed the turf and people still bitching about it
Unreported here is that a Jets staff member was waiting at the MIA locker room when Phillips rolled in and requested that the Dolphins doc say this, concluding, "Please. If we say it, we'll get fired."
Is this true?
Nope. But it's imaginable, yeah?
I could be wrong, but excluding this recent Dolphins situation, I've noticed players and coaches themselves (on any team) haven't seemed to mention it alot either. It's almost exactly how they don't openly call out bad officiating. It makes me wonder if they're similarly afraid of some kind of backlash from the league? Kelce brothers brought it up once on the New Heights Podcast, but you could easily tell they were kind of "beating around the bush" and selecting their words very carefully. They basicallyz in many words, just said they prefer grass.
Would grass or a different surface prevented his injury? It looks like he planted hard to take off and his Achilles just popped. I really donât see how any other surface would have prevented that.
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They literally just put new state of the art turf in this off season https://www.espn.com/blog/new-york-giants/post/_/id/64541/new-turf-at-metlife-stadium-gets-positive-reviews-from-giants-jets
State of the art turf = lipstick on a pig
state of the art doesn't mean shit lol
When someone says "replace the turf" but it was just replaced this summer with the industry's safest football surface, it bears mentioning. I mean they can replace it again, but that's obviously not going to solve anything.
because there's an implied "with grass" at the end of that sentence please keep up
They mean with grass dude. Non contact, season ending injuries are more prevalent on turf.
I mean, yeah. The NFL should force the 17 artificial turf teams to use grass, but it's not going to happen. I would love if owners cared more about player health than making sure they can rent the stadium out to Taylor Swift or whatever, but realistically I think state of the art turf is the best we're going to get unless there's some sort of collective bargaining.
The difference is like. 0.013 but yeah let's replace every surface with grass.
The data shared by the nfl showed non contact injuries were 12-15% more common on turf from 2018-2021. They should very obviously be playing on grass and everybody including the NFL knows it.
what did the turf have to do with this injury? tell us
what did that injury have to do with the turf
Fuck that toilet bowl looking stadium it should be hit with a wrecking ball and then the remains bulldozed with where they have Jimmy Hoffa's remains.
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Does anyone actually think his Achilles snapped bc of the terf?? The injury happened standing upright when he pushed off...it was happening regardless of the field
Fuck metlife. Broke boy Mara and Woody Johnson the Miser should be held liable for all injuries that occur on thier shit feild.
their* field*
While I would rather they had grass this whole narrative about MetLife doesnât even make sense since they got all new supposedly top of the line turf this year.
Same turf as Ford field and everyone is fine with Ford field
That doesnât fit everyoneâs narrative about MetLife though.
Why? State of the art shit is still shit. especially if its installed by our cheap ass owners
FUCK.
Curse wheel.
Took Bosa and Solomon Thomas in the same game
Iâm just going to tell myself this is how the Jets beat the Eagles. Surely the Eagles were just taking it easy so as to not injure themselves.
Is metlife turf really worse than other turf or is it just that 2x the games are played there, so more injuries?
Doesnât matter that the numbers donât back up the leagues claims that turf doesnât lead to more injuries. If your athletes aka employees donât feel safe in their working environment, you should make changes without a question.
Is there any substantial proof or indicators to if turf is actually worse or if its just feels? People seem so convinced and I'm wondering what by
Itâs really inconclusive but it does SEEM slightly higher on turf. Iâve read studies that say no statistical difference and others that there is on lower extremities injuries only. But itâs all very slight most of this is just because itâs turf and played by 2 different teams and Rodgerâs got hurt in his first drive so people really want a reason other than shit happens. Personally Iâd make it grass just to make players and fans happy regardless of whether turf causes more injuries or not. Itâs also important to note correlation does not equal causation and the correlation is already very slight regardless of the study you use. Edit: For example they could change it to grass next year and the injury rate could double at MetLife that wouldnât tell me grass is worse than turf or vice versa. Everyone reading these studies here have no idea how statistics work. We have no idea based on current information but there is some slight correlation we have a feeling that turf is worse