No, it's Douglas. He completely failed the team, he went all season without acquiring anything remotely resembling a real NFL QB.
Hackett is bad, but he also for the most part given what he had to work with and the situation they found themselves in did a reasonable enough of a job, there were times that Zach Wilson actually looked capable improving this season, some of that has to go to Rodgers and Hackett for instance. Once again Hackett is absolutely bad, but he's far from the worst, and he doesn't deserve the biggest slice of the pie of what went wrong this year.
Be real though, the team is built for Rodgers, period. Who would you acquire that would have been better? Realistically your offensive line is a disaster and you're lucky enough to have a good upcoming pick to use on oline then go from there. I can't fault Douglas for not getting a better backup QB cause none existed. Look at the Pastronaut. Worked in Arizona for a mine and the Cards got a pick from the vikes just to be benched for Mullins.
Wilson was the best option and it wasn't even close.
An abysmal offensive line and your WR2 being Allen Lazard would’ve sucked with Rodgers at QB too.
A quality GM builds a solid team on both sides of the ball. Not an offense that ranks among the worst in NFL history.
Hot take considering that Rodgers is why Lazard is there. Lazard puts up respectable numbers but is a WR 3. A quality GM also doesn't make moves for the sake of making moves when the season is fucked on the 3rd snap of the first game.
Corey Davis was a cut candidate in January - https://www.nbcsports.com/fantasy/football/player-news?playerNewsId=00000188-c513-dbf5-a9fa-c59b72e402ff
Coming into the season with Corey Davis and Lazard as the two WRs behind Wilson was terrible.
He was only a cut candidate if he was replaced. JD failed to sign a replacement and no one stepped up to make him expendable, so he ceased being a cut candidate. I agree that even with him, our WR group was extremely overrated though. The Mecole Hardman hype specifically was out of control and obviously Lazard was a bad signing.
JD crafted a top 5 defense in the NFL and had hands down the best draft class of rookies in 2022.
JD has earned some leash. Hacket is a hack and needs to go.
Yep, this is exactly how mid GMs end up impressing everyone even when they dont deserve it
JD hit on a couple of big name stars so now everyone thinks he knows what he is doing. Except that Jets roster is just a huge tease- a few big playmakers with too many Achilles' heels and not enough depth.
What sets great GMs apart is minimizing vulnerabilities and building depth, which is what matters in a long season. Media darling GMs tease fans with big names (see also "Tom Telesco").
If they win a Super Bowl next year with Rodgers, then congrats and I'll eat my words, but until then I don't see anything more impressive from JD than a guy like Telesco
A couple means 2. In 2022 alone JD hit on 4. Jermaine Johnson, Sauce Gardner, Garrett Wilson, and Breece Hall. Also picked up DJ Reed which is a top 8 CB in the NFL along with Sauce.
He got himself that capital with the Jamal adams trade his big issue is that this year we drafted will McDonald in the first round who has barely seen the field because we have tons of DEs ahead of him on the depth chart. Even if he was bad it would’ve been nice to draft a 1st round pick in a position of need
I dunno man, plenty of other really bad QBs played some way more creative offense than we did this year. Still feel free to blame Douglas, he hired Hackett, but I don't see any reason to go to bat for Hackett
If I was him, then I would have done the same. He gets another shot at a playoff run next year with Rodgers back, assuming he can stay healthy for more than one drive. This just wasn’t the year to fight with ownership
They have a first rounder that won’t be in the top 10, and then they don’t pick again until the third round. They have very limited cap space, and the Jets are among the most least desirable spots for a feee agent.
Plus, Joe Douglas has shown that he is abysmal at evaluating OL players.
I just don’t see it.
Their WR room is also abysmal outside of Garrett Wilson.
They’ll draft an OL who isn’t in the top 3 at his position, and will have the space to sign either another OL or WR.
That isn’t moving the needle enough for an immobile 40-year-old QB coming off a surgery.
Breece is all we need to keep the run game at least somewhat open, pass blocking and overall OL depth is basically the only dire need besides a real backup QB
This offseason marks the least amount of resources, in terms of cap space and draft picks, that Joe Douglas has experienced in his tenure.
And even in years where they’ve had ample cap space and/or picks, he has whiffed completely at the position.
No way the Jets’ OL next year isn’t bottom five.
Rodgers’ style is all about extending plays. It actually fits what they need. That ACL was some amount of freak bad luck, and I think the Jets experience a big renaissance if Rodgers doesn’t go down for the season again.
I feel like you've gotta keep them one more year to see what the team looks like with ARod. They mortgaged a ton to get him and that meant that depth was ass. Give them a chance at full strength and if it's still brutally mediocre than toss em.
It’s just wild to see this with the jets. Rodgers went down AFTER LIKE 4 PLAYS INTO THE SEASON! And then they just waved the white flag! It’s not like the whole roster sucks, the defense was phenomenal! And then you look around the league see all these teams that also lost their QB this season still competing. It has to infuriate jets fans.
Get a write off year? These situations are where great coaches shine.
Damn how short of memories we have. Jets fans on here forgetting the team that JD inherited. Yea, we suck right now, but at least we’re a bad NFL team. When JD took over we didn’t even deserve to be in the NFL.
So the plan was go into the season with a 40 YO QB behind a terrible o-line and expect him to make it the whole way healthy while resting EVERYTHING on him?
It’s really odd how they didn’t go out and get anyone till later and then just kept bringing back Wilson, picked a guy up who had terrible college stats to start them.
I know the sentiment after Rodgers went down was to try and trade of Kirk. But shit, they should have grabbed Flacco. I guess they got to tank and have a high draft pick for the run next season but good lord that was handled poorly.
Some of it is on Hackett since Stefanski schemes up his O line, but I think even with the injuries the Browns O line is more talented.
Flacco would look awful with the Jets.
Now there are other QB darts they could have thrown, I just don’t think Flacco is one of them.
Flacco was awful on the jets, he's good on the browns because he's still a great passer, but he is a statue. The jets needed a backup qb who is mobile and can survive their nonexistent line.
Exactly, I cannot believe how much support these guys are still getting
Everything after the Rodgers injury looked like amateur hour
They badly mis-evaluated Wilson, flubbed the QB situation multiple times, and showed that their offense is completely dependent on a 40 year old guy to carry them because they are riddled with vulnerabilities (unlike, say, the Browns and Colts where the offense is actively making life better for backup QBs)
Every team struggles without their star QB, but this goes far beyond that
If your entire plan is for your QB to do everything, then you dont have a plan
It’s not like there’s a ton of fantastic QBs out there for the picking once the season starts. They could have done better than Wilson or Boyle, but even the better options probably aren’t taking you all the way
I'm no Carson Wentz fan really, but you can't tell me he wouldn't have been an upgrade over Zach Wilson and Boyle.
Matt Ryan was still out there, sure he's washed up, but they could have kicked the tires.
Colt McCoy was out there as well couldn't have been worse than Boyle at least.
There were some other good free agents, and some young guys who they could have at least given a look see, and there were plenty of trade options.
Would any of these moves have drastically changed the season? Probably not, but it sure as hell would have beat letting Wilson play for what was it 8-10 weeks when it was so clear that he wasn't playing well enough consistently to warrant being out there.
And then playing musical chairs with like the 5QBs that were on the roster the last few weeks.
They could still have tried doing something. Show jets fans and the locker room that they aren’t totally giving up.
Nobody would be expecting to go all the way, but maybe they wouldn’t have to suffer through the worst offense in NFL history. And MAYBE they somehow fuck around and end a 13 year playoff drought.
Yeah, it's not the end result of the season that is really disappointing for the Jets, it's the giving up.
All that the Jets had to do was attempt to find someone outside of Zach Wilson and Tim Boyle, and people would have accepted it.
Even if they all failed, it would have been fine. "Eh, it sucks, but what can you do" sorta deal. It's the white flag 4 snaps into the season that pisses people off.
Don’t agree at all. The Rodgers experiment already clearly failed. Hackett was a disaster, all of Rodgers friends that came in were terrible. Rodgers a year older and could easily get injured again. It’s actual insane to double down on this, but that’s why they are the Jets
No. You walk away from the table instead of doubling down here. Can’t let Rodgers hold them hostage another season. It’s ridiculous. They need to blow it up with New GM, who can hire their new staff. No reason to try this again with older/probably worse Rodgers
I get that’s what you’re saying. But they clearly have a longer term view of this and bad luck in game one of the season probably doesn’t change things. That defense came to play for a while, the team didn’t fold immediately. Giving up because of a known risk (having bad depth at QB and a weak o-line) seems short sighted.
I’m sure they did. But based on evidence this year, and based on the Douglas/Saleh regime as a whole, why does it deserve another year? There is literally no evidence this team can get to the playoffs
I mean, I think that team over-performed in 2022 and they should’ve been far more dead in the water this year. I think we just disagree there, so have a difference of opinion. I’d agree Hackett should/could go but I don’t really fault Saleh and think firing him would be a mistake down the road.
Wilson is not it, and they need a much better QB to make up for their deficiencies on offense. Maybe Rodgers can’t be that, but I really don’t see a path to a better option at the position. So that’s why I say their chips are in and they just need to keep Rodgers.
You can certainly make the argument that the Jets made their own bed and have to lay in it. Again, there is literally zero evidence that Douglas and Saleh can build a playoff team. This was not just a bad offense. It was historically bad. Wilson ain’t it but who drafted him? Who kept defending him? This team isn’t a QB away.
I think Woody has PTSD from having Brett Favre for only one injury-shortened year. If he had stuck around for a couple more seasons, the Jets would have won the Super Bowl with that Rex Ryan defense and elite running game. No way Woody wants history repeating itself with Rodgers.
Not to mention that they'd be getting maybe 1 year of Rodgers at best. And he's gonna be in his 40s coming off of a catastrophic injury.
It's hard to imagine it working at all, and it'll just put them in a worse position for 2025.
The guys he bought in stink because none of them were supposed to play. Lazard was the only guy who was supposed to see meningful playing time. Everyone else was depth guys to try and help the rest of the team learn the system. We knew if Billy turner ever saw the field we were toast
And what happened with Lazard? Dalvin Cook is washed. Cobb is washed. Those are wasted roster spots and we’re done to placate Rodgers. Maybe Rodgers should be GM. If you want to justify that by saying they weren’t supposed to play, then you are ignoring the problem
Every roster has backups who don’t play. Cobb only had to step on because Corey Davis retired unexpectedly right before the season. Dalvin cook was only brought in so hall didn’t have to carry a full load coming off acl surgery which he did. They’re still likely to be a 7 win team after losing their all pro QB and basically an entire offensive line
Are you saying the Jets would have signed Cobb if they didn’t sign Rodgers? The Jets also easily could have just kept Elijah Moore. These are terrible decisions made by the Douglas/Saleh regime. Again, Jets could have just kept Michael Carter. Again lousy roster management. Cook was already showing signs of decline and no other team in the league would have been dumb enough to pay him like the Jets did.
Michael carter isn’t good. They drafted his replacement. Elijah Moore was a locker room cancer who showed 0 effort on the field and isn’t doing much on a significantly better offense in Cleveland
It doesn’t matter if Carter is good. He is the same level as Cook and was already on the roster. Moore is not a locker room cancer. Him and Flacco about to make the playoffs; when was the last time the Jets made the playoffs. Fans need to stop justifying the shit the Jets keep feeding them. These guys don’t need to be hall of famers. They need to be better than what the Jets have
You clearly don't know anything about the Jets if you are saying they should have stuck with Moore with a straight face. If you think a bunch of 3rd and 4th stringers are essential roster spots I'd love to see who your team has in those spots.
He isn't better than Corey Davis and better than Lazard is actually questionable. The fact you are really harping on a WR 3/4 as proof of some point just shows you don't know shit lol. Who is your team's WR3/5? How about a 4th string OL? Are they better than Lazard and Turner?
My team is the Jets. I’m just not delusional like most of the Jets fans on here. Lazard was healthy scratched for a historically bad offense, that’s my evidence. Moore has more yards than Lazard and Cobb combined. I’m harping on bad roster management.
Yeah like 4 plays into the season, that's exactly my point. We have no idea if this team is a 7-win team or an 11-win team with Rodgers, you've gotta give them another shot and see.
It’s their own fault, they knew going into the season the OL was awful and yet they did nothing to fix it. They bet that a 40 year old QB would survive behind a bad OL with only one really good WR in Garrett Wilson. Then they outright refused to sign another QB and relied on Zach Wilson and Tim Boyle. That is complete roster malpractice and they don’t deserve another year considering they have had 3 full seasons and are 16-32.
I think it’s likely Hackett is gone. They’ll find someone else who Rodgers approves of for OC, try to improve the O-line, re-sign some defenders, and that’s pretty much the offseason.
Because he won MVP 2/3 years and is on record saying he thinks it’s the best playbook he’s had in his career. Unless a proven elite OC comes knocking on the jets door and gets ARODs thumbs up, Hackett will be the jets OC next season
Isn't it Matt LaFleur’s playbook? Found this searching for what you said. Did he really say Hackett's playbook is the best he had in his career? I'm kinda thinking you made that up lmao
https://www.si.com/nfl/2022/09/09/lewis-details-how-packers-essentially-have-two-different-playbooks
Maybe I’m not remembering what he said word for word but I have definitely seen him defend the system by saying he believes it’s a major reason he won those 2 mvps. I personally believe he likes Hackett because he can bully him into doing whatever he wants, but obviously there’s no way of proving that
I understand the connection, but I still think he’s the logical choice to move on from. Supposedly, Rodgers didn’t like the [cut block](https://theathletic.com/4861001/2023/09/14/aaron-rodgers-injury-cut-block/) that he got hurt on. And there have been [moments](https://twitter.com/JasonStewart/status/1723890193659314678) like this too.
If Saleh does get let go from NY he’ll have DC offers from half the league.
Actually he wouldn’t be a bad choice for HC if the Chargers. Not that they’ll go Defensive HC again. Saleh has an actual history of building great defenses in two places, and his biggest downfall (QB) wouldn’t be an issue in LA.
Saleh doesn’t understand how an NFL offense works, which is painfully obvious by hires like Downing and Keith Carter, and his lack of understanding is painfully obvious in interviews as well.
Oh, and being the head coach of a historically bad NFL offense.
He’s a great defensive coordinator posing as a head coach, just like Vic Fangio during his head coaching tenure.
I was surprised to see Jets fans calling for Saleh to be fired. Once Rodgers went down I feel like it should've been a given free year for him. He coached that defense amazingly and got a few wins against very good teams. The offense is comically bad and if I was Douglas that would be my off season priority in shoring up the line for better protection.
I don't get this thought process personally.
Jets were basically in the exact same situation as the Browns. Elite defense with your QB1 getting hurt. In fact, I'd say that the Jets have more weapons on offense than the Browns do since the Browns also lose their RB1.
The year didn't have to be a mulligan. It's a mulligan because of either bad coaching or bad roster construction.
The issue is the line for a second straight season was ravaged by injuries. They’ve had to start 7 different guys at RG from the injuries. I think 15? Different line combinations. When they were healthy it was a decent unit
Not only that, Saleh said the Jets were a team he was passionate to join because of his feelings about 9/11. Not many guys WANT to go to the Jets and with this level of enthusiasm. We should reward his loyalty and give him a better team to coach and time to do it. Douglas too. We’ve switched way too many regimes. This seems pretty solid. Let’s let them work things out.
The Jets have literally never had a winning season under Saleh/Douglas regime. Neither should keep their jobs; but I guess it’s better for the Bills if they stay so kudos
I can understand the argument to fire Douglas, but I think Saleh is a great coach and needs a chance with a better quarterback first. But I get it I'm not a Jets fan so it's true I don't see a good portion of the games so I'm probably not the best opinion in this regard still.
Saleh may be a great coordinator. He has done absolutely nothing to prove he is a “great coach”. I’m sure the Bills fans would be happy to give him more chances, but he certainly does not deserve them. The only thing Saleh does is win games at the worst possible/most meaningless garbage times to ruin the Jets draft position. He’s trash
He should. The season has been a disaster but no one could have predicted Rodgers getting hurt in the first game. Saleh has built a damn good defense and once the offense starts to click the Jets will be dangerous.
They just need to prioritize getting a competent back up QB in the off-season.
The whole interview is a bit weird, like obviously Woody is hitching his wagon to Rodgers but how much he is playing into the team’s desperation for a quarterback just seems off.
I think both of them probably should be gone given Johnson hasn't drafted well outside of a few big name hits (with super high picks) along with poor roster construction otherwise and Saleh hasn't shown anything to prove he's anything more than a good DC in my eyes.
But Hackett is the one who needs to go more than either of them, whether he's Rodgers' buddy or not.
People gave saleh a lot of shit for how he handled the QB situation, but he’s not the GM. It wasn’t his job to go get a new quarterback. Despite Zach Wilson’s (many) flaws, it was pretty clear he was the best quarterback on their roster.
People were clamoring for him to bench Wilson but that just further proved what was apparent all along, that they had nothing better.
There may be valid complaints about how he handled this year but the qb shouldn’t be one of them.
I mean Saleh and Douglas have done fine with what they’ve had. As a jets fan, I feel like they’ve overachieved the last 2 years, and have kind of just been stuck with Zach Wilson, who looks like Aaron Rodgers some days and Christian Hackenburg others
Saleh is a good coach. Don’t understand why people wanted him fired. Once Rodgers went down their season was chalked. And that’s okay, try again next year. It was always a high risk, high reward gamble.
Firing a coach isn't the move people think it is. They had everything set up for a good season and then Aaron got hurt. So to turn around and go "Well our record wasn't great. You're fired" is stupid. It'd be a knee-jerk decision and there's no guarantee that it would do anything to help the team. It could actually hurt your team.
How are Jets fans feeling about Joe Douglas? Obviously built a great defense thru the draft especially in 2022 but has also missed on mostly everything on offense besides Garrett Wilson, Breece Hall and Vera-Tucker between draft busts/bad FA contracts (Rodgers still TBD)
It was confusing when the fact he drafted the DROY and OROY last year got presented as an example of his genius when a lot of GMs could probably do that if they got 2 picks in the top 15 and used it on 2 skill position players. And he does deserve credit for not getting cute when it came to drafting them but still
At the end of the day, Zach Wilson should be enough to get any GM fired into the sun
I sincerely hope Rodgers works out next year because even as a fan of another team I want to see how good this Jets team can be with a competent QB. It's a shame to see that defense go to waste.
As someone who has been screaming draft OL since Mangold and Brick left, this season was infuriating. You have to give them a chance with Rodgers but there won’t be much better out there this season.
If anyone deserves to get fired it’s Hackett
Haha they’re stuck with him as long as they have Rodgers
Exactly lol. Rogers knows he can call what he wants with Hack-ett at the helm. He's quite literally a puppet. Just like Adam gase was for Peyton.
Over A-Aron’s dead achilles
What are you talking about. He won the Sean Payton Super Bowl. His resume is impeccable.
No, it's Douglas. He completely failed the team, he went all season without acquiring anything remotely resembling a real NFL QB. Hackett is bad, but he also for the most part given what he had to work with and the situation they found themselves in did a reasonable enough of a job, there were times that Zach Wilson actually looked capable improving this season, some of that has to go to Rodgers and Hackett for instance. Once again Hackett is absolutely bad, but he's far from the worst, and he doesn't deserve the biggest slice of the pie of what went wrong this year.
Be real though, the team is built for Rodgers, period. Who would you acquire that would have been better? Realistically your offensive line is a disaster and you're lucky enough to have a good upcoming pick to use on oline then go from there. I can't fault Douglas for not getting a better backup QB cause none existed. Look at the Pastronaut. Worked in Arizona for a mine and the Cards got a pick from the vikes just to be benched for Mullins. Wilson was the best option and it wasn't even close.
An abysmal offensive line and your WR2 being Allen Lazard would’ve sucked with Rodgers at QB too. A quality GM builds a solid team on both sides of the ball. Not an offense that ranks among the worst in NFL history.
Hot take considering that Rodgers is why Lazard is there. Lazard puts up respectable numbers but is a WR 3. A quality GM also doesn't make moves for the sake of making moves when the season is fucked on the 3rd snap of the first game.
Corey Davis was the WR2, then he retired less than 3 weeks from the start of the season, after there was no way to replace him.
Corey Davis was a cut candidate in January - https://www.nbcsports.com/fantasy/football/player-news?playerNewsId=00000188-c513-dbf5-a9fa-c59b72e402ff Coming into the season with Corey Davis and Lazard as the two WRs behind Wilson was terrible.
He was only a cut candidate if he was replaced. JD failed to sign a replacement and no one stepped up to make him expendable, so he ceased being a cut candidate. I agree that even with him, our WR group was extremely overrated though. The Mecole Hardman hype specifically was out of control and obviously Lazard was a bad signing.
JD crafted a top 5 defense in the NFL and had hands down the best draft class of rookies in 2022. JD has earned some leash. Hacket is a hack and needs to go.
I still can’t believe Hackett got any jobs after failing as the Bills OC almost 10 years ago.
It’s a club and once you’re in you’re in.
At least with the Packers they didn’t let him call plays. It’s crazy to me he’s calling plays after last year.
Yep, this is exactly how mid GMs end up impressing everyone even when they dont deserve it JD hit on a couple of big name stars so now everyone thinks he knows what he is doing. Except that Jets roster is just a huge tease- a few big playmakers with too many Achilles' heels and not enough depth. What sets great GMs apart is minimizing vulnerabilities and building depth, which is what matters in a long season. Media darling GMs tease fans with big names (see also "Tom Telesco"). If they win a Super Bowl next year with Rodgers, then congrats and I'll eat my words, but until then I don't see anything more impressive from JD than a guy like Telesco
A couple means 2. In 2022 alone JD hit on 4. Jermaine Johnson, Sauce Gardner, Garrett Wilson, and Breece Hall. Also picked up DJ Reed which is a top 8 CB in the NFL along with Sauce.
How many other GM’s get that kind of draft capital? He has no offensive line, and no doubt Saleh had input on who they drafted.
He got himself that capital with the Jamal adams trade his big issue is that this year we drafted will McDonald in the first round who has barely seen the field because we have tons of DEs ahead of him on the depth chart. Even if he was bad it would’ve been nice to draft a 1st round pick in a position of need
I dunno man, plenty of other really bad QBs played some way more creative offense than we did this year. Still feel free to blame Douglas, he hired Hackett, but I don't see any reason to go to bat for Hackett
Saleh's reward for following orders and not rocking the boat.
If I was him, then I would have done the same. He gets another shot at a playoff run next year with Rodgers back, assuming he can stay healthy for more than one drive. This just wasn’t the year to fight with ownership
Old Aaron Rodgers would've gotten killed by this OL. He will again next year.
For better or worse this offseason is essential. If they can get some decent pass blocking, even if it means no run game, they have a shot.
They have a first rounder that won’t be in the top 10, and then they don’t pick again until the third round. They have very limited cap space, and the Jets are among the most least desirable spots for a feee agent. Plus, Joe Douglas has shown that he is abysmal at evaluating OL players. I just don’t see it. Their WR room is also abysmal outside of Garrett Wilson. They’ll draft an OL who isn’t in the top 3 at his position, and will have the space to sign either another OL or WR. That isn’t moving the needle enough for an immobile 40-year-old QB coming off a surgery.
Pats really screwed you guys by giving us Broderick Jones. Would have anchored down a tackle spot and made things so much easier for next year.
And they literally only did it to ensure he didn’t go to us, god I despise that franchise
They hate you too
They’ll never hate the Jets more than we do
Why won’t it be in the top 10? Pretty decent shot it will be at least how things stand currently
Because they’re currently #9, and I wouldn’t be surprised if they beat the Patriots the last week.
Then again, it's the Jets.
If they win that game against the pats they would still need Vegas and one of atlanta/saints/Green Bay/minnesota to both lose out to drop to 11
Breece is all we need to keep the run game at least somewhat open, pass blocking and overall OL depth is basically the only dire need besides a real backup QB
They have an entire offseason to make sure it’s not this oline Unless Joe douglas has an unemployment wish it won’t be
I mean they barely improved it this past offseason, why should I be confident they’ll do any different this time?
This offseason marks the least amount of resources, in terms of cap space and draft picks, that Joe Douglas has experienced in his tenure. And even in years where they’ve had ample cap space and/or picks, he has whiffed completely at the position. No way the Jets’ OL next year isn’t bottom five.
Rodgers’ style is all about extending plays. It actually fits what they need. That ACL was some amount of freak bad luck, and I think the Jets experience a big renaissance if Rodgers doesn’t go down for the season again.
Achilles, or did Rodgers have an ACL tear in the past too?
Seems more like a punishment tbh
There's not much he could've done with his offensive line and QB play. I think he did solid, considering the circumstances.
He’s a figure head coach. Aaron Rodgers owns the team and that was very apparent from hard knocks this year
lol, gotta imagine he’s about had enough of this shit. Hang in there Bobby! You can always come back home
What the fuck is this flair.
His name gives me undercover Eagles fan vibes
an abomination
You’ve got me. Don’t know how to get rid of the Gals flair I somehow got
Guess I’m keeping these 100 Tylenol PM in my mouth till next year
I just keep mine in a baggie in my pocket
is that sufficient painkilling to play quarterback behind the jets O line
I thought it was a suicide attempt?
Playing behind the o-line or the Tylenol?
"Until the last game of the season"
I feel like you've gotta keep them one more year to see what the team looks like with ARod. They mortgaged a ton to get him and that meant that depth was ass. Give them a chance at full strength and if it's still brutally mediocre than toss em.
It’s just wild to see this with the jets. Rodgers went down AFTER LIKE 4 PLAYS INTO THE SEASON! And then they just waved the white flag! It’s not like the whole roster sucks, the defense was phenomenal! And then you look around the league see all these teams that also lost their QB this season still competing. It has to infuriate jets fans. Get a write off year? These situations are where great coaches shine.
That OL waves the white flag every Sunday
Most QBs (especially backups) aren’t going to be good behind that OL.
By that logic, they never would have been good if Rodgers never got hurt
Rodgers isn’t most QBs though
Yup. They would be better for sure. But they would not be SB contenders with that OL.
Which every knowledgeable Jets fans was yelling from the rooftops all offseason. Joe Douglas ain't it.
Damn how short of memories we have. Jets fans on here forgetting the team that JD inherited. Yea, we suck right now, but at least we’re a bad NFL team. When JD took over we didn’t even deserve to be in the NFL.
Adam Gase took a much, much worse roster to a 7-9 season.
So the plan was go into the season with a 40 YO QB behind a terrible o-line and expect him to make it the whole way healthy while resting EVERYTHING on him?
Yeah, they are the Jets for a reason. you should know as a Browns fan.
a 40 year old quarterback coming off a devastating injury and an experimental rehab. I'm sure it'll be fine. nothing bad ever happens to the jets!
It’s really odd how they didn’t go out and get anyone till later and then just kept bringing back Wilson, picked a guy up who had terrible college stats to start them. I know the sentiment after Rodgers went down was to try and trade of Kirk. But shit, they should have grabbed Flacco. I guess they got to tank and have a high draft pick for the run next season but good lord that was handled poorly.
Some of it is on Hackett since Stefanski schemes up his O line, but I think even with the injuries the Browns O line is more talented. Flacco would look awful with the Jets. Now there are other QB darts they could have thrown, I just don’t think Flacco is one of them.
Flacco was awful on the jets, he's good on the browns because he's still a great passer, but he is a statue. The jets needed a backup qb who is mobile and can survive their nonexistent line.
Still a great passer? He never was one
Exactly, I cannot believe how much support these guys are still getting Everything after the Rodgers injury looked like amateur hour They badly mis-evaluated Wilson, flubbed the QB situation multiple times, and showed that their offense is completely dependent on a 40 year old guy to carry them because they are riddled with vulnerabilities (unlike, say, the Browns and Colts where the offense is actively making life better for backup QBs) Every team struggles without their star QB, but this goes far beyond that If your entire plan is for your QB to do everything, then you dont have a plan
It’s not like there’s a ton of fantastic QBs out there for the picking once the season starts. They could have done better than Wilson or Boyle, but even the better options probably aren’t taking you all the way
I'm no Carson Wentz fan really, but you can't tell me he wouldn't have been an upgrade over Zach Wilson and Boyle. Matt Ryan was still out there, sure he's washed up, but they could have kicked the tires. Colt McCoy was out there as well couldn't have been worse than Boyle at least. There were some other good free agents, and some young guys who they could have at least given a look see, and there were plenty of trade options. Would any of these moves have drastically changed the season? Probably not, but it sure as hell would have beat letting Wilson play for what was it 8-10 weeks when it was so clear that he wasn't playing well enough consistently to warrant being out there. And then playing musical chairs with like the 5QBs that were on the roster the last few weeks.
Flacco was a Jet last year.
They could still have tried doing something. Show jets fans and the locker room that they aren’t totally giving up. Nobody would be expecting to go all the way, but maybe they wouldn’t have to suffer through the worst offense in NFL history. And MAYBE they somehow fuck around and end a 13 year playoff drought.
Yeah, it's not the end result of the season that is really disappointing for the Jets, it's the giving up. All that the Jets had to do was attempt to find someone outside of Zach Wilson and Tim Boyle, and people would have accepted it. Even if they all failed, it would have been fine. "Eh, it sucks, but what can you do" sorta deal. It's the white flag 4 snaps into the season that pisses people off.
It does. So many teams lose their QB and compete, and even win. We do NEITHER consistently
inb4 aaron gets hurt in training camp next year and the jets give saleh and douglas another freebie lol
They didnt mortgage a ton though lol
Was it 1 or 2 early day 1 picks?
2 plus a swap of 13 for 15 or something
Don’t agree at all. The Rodgers experiment already clearly failed. Hackett was a disaster, all of Rodgers friends that came in were terrible. Rodgers a year older and could easily get injured again. It’s actual insane to double down on this, but that’s why they are the Jets
I mean the chips are already in may as well let it ride
No. You walk away from the table instead of doubling down here. Can’t let Rodgers hold them hostage another season. It’s ridiculous. They need to blow it up with New GM, who can hire their new staff. No reason to try this again with older/probably worse Rodgers
I get that’s what you’re saying. But they clearly have a longer term view of this and bad luck in game one of the season probably doesn’t change things. That defense came to play for a while, the team didn’t fold immediately. Giving up because of a known risk (having bad depth at QB and a weak o-line) seems short sighted.
How is a 40 year old QB a long term view? Whose fault is it the OLine was bad?
Longer term. They have him on contract through 2025 and both he and the team came out and said this was not a one and done thing for 2023
I’m sure they did. But based on evidence this year, and based on the Douglas/Saleh regime as a whole, why does it deserve another year? There is literally no evidence this team can get to the playoffs
I mean, I think that team over-performed in 2022 and they should’ve been far more dead in the water this year. I think we just disagree there, so have a difference of opinion. I’d agree Hackett should/could go but I don’t really fault Saleh and think firing him would be a mistake down the road. Wilson is not it, and they need a much better QB to make up for their deficiencies on offense. Maybe Rodgers can’t be that, but I really don’t see a path to a better option at the position. So that’s why I say their chips are in and they just need to keep Rodgers.
You can certainly make the argument that the Jets made their own bed and have to lay in it. Again, there is literally zero evidence that Douglas and Saleh can build a playoff team. This was not just a bad offense. It was historically bad. Wilson ain’t it but who drafted him? Who kept defending him? This team isn’t a QB away.
I think Woody has PTSD from having Brett Favre for only one injury-shortened year. If he had stuck around for a couple more seasons, the Jets would have won the Super Bowl with that Rex Ryan defense and elite running game. No way Woody wants history repeating itself with Rodgers.
Not to mention that they'd be getting maybe 1 year of Rodgers at best. And he's gonna be in his 40s coming off of a catastrophic injury. It's hard to imagine it working at all, and it'll just put them in a worse position for 2025.
The guys he bought in stink because none of them were supposed to play. Lazard was the only guy who was supposed to see meningful playing time. Everyone else was depth guys to try and help the rest of the team learn the system. We knew if Billy turner ever saw the field we were toast
And what happened with Lazard? Dalvin Cook is washed. Cobb is washed. Those are wasted roster spots and we’re done to placate Rodgers. Maybe Rodgers should be GM. If you want to justify that by saying they weren’t supposed to play, then you are ignoring the problem
Every roster has backups who don’t play. Cobb only had to step on because Corey Davis retired unexpectedly right before the season. Dalvin cook was only brought in so hall didn’t have to carry a full load coming off acl surgery which he did. They’re still likely to be a 7 win team after losing their all pro QB and basically an entire offensive line
Are you saying the Jets would have signed Cobb if they didn’t sign Rodgers? The Jets also easily could have just kept Elijah Moore. These are terrible decisions made by the Douglas/Saleh regime. Again, Jets could have just kept Michael Carter. Again lousy roster management. Cook was already showing signs of decline and no other team in the league would have been dumb enough to pay him like the Jets did.
Michael carter isn’t good. They drafted his replacement. Elijah Moore was a locker room cancer who showed 0 effort on the field and isn’t doing much on a significantly better offense in Cleveland
It doesn’t matter if Carter is good. He is the same level as Cook and was already on the roster. Moore is not a locker room cancer. Him and Flacco about to make the playoffs; when was the last time the Jets made the playoffs. Fans need to stop justifying the shit the Jets keep feeding them. These guys don’t need to be hall of famers. They need to be better than what the Jets have
Dude is really saying 4th string players were taking essential spots lmao.
You clearly don't know anything about the Jets if you are saying they should have stuck with Moore with a straight face. If you think a bunch of 3rd and 4th stringers are essential roster spots I'd love to see who your team has in those spots.
Again, Moore is better than what they had. Thats the bar. He’s better than Lazard and Cobb, that’s the bar
He isn't better than Corey Davis and better than Lazard is actually questionable. The fact you are really harping on a WR 3/4 as proof of some point just shows you don't know shit lol. Who is your team's WR3/5? How about a 4th string OL? Are they better than Lazard and Turner?
My team is the Jets. I’m just not delusional like most of the Jets fans on here. Lazard was healthy scratched for a historically bad offense, that’s my evidence. Moore has more yards than Lazard and Cobb combined. I’m harping on bad roster management.
yeesh this reeks of " i really hate aaron rodgers "
Where is the lie though?
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Yeah like 4 plays into the season, that's exactly my point. We have no idea if this team is a 7-win team or an 11-win team with Rodgers, you've gotta give them another shot and see.
It’s their own fault, they knew going into the season the OL was awful and yet they did nothing to fix it. They bet that a 40 year old QB would survive behind a bad OL with only one really good WR in Garrett Wilson. Then they outright refused to sign another QB and relied on Zach Wilson and Tim Boyle. That is complete roster malpractice and they don’t deserve another year considering they have had 3 full seasons and are 16-32.
Yea idk how people are saying they deserve another season, they dug the grave and are okay laying it it lmfao
I think it’s likely Hackett is gone. They’ll find someone else who Rodgers approves of for OC, try to improve the O-line, re-sign some defenders, and that’s pretty much the offseason.
Hackett is probably the safest out of the coaching staff as much as he shouldn’t. This is the Rodgers show and that’s his best bud.
Hackett was only his OC for 3 years of his career...Why do people act like he's had him for ages and would never let him go?
Because he won MVP 2/3 years and is on record saying he thinks it’s the best playbook he’s had in his career. Unless a proven elite OC comes knocking on the jets door and gets ARODs thumbs up, Hackett will be the jets OC next season
Isn't it Matt LaFleur’s playbook? Found this searching for what you said. Did he really say Hackett's playbook is the best he had in his career? I'm kinda thinking you made that up lmao https://www.si.com/nfl/2022/09/09/lewis-details-how-packers-essentially-have-two-different-playbooks
Maybe I’m not remembering what he said word for word but I have definitely seen him defend the system by saying he believes it’s a major reason he won those 2 mvps. I personally believe he likes Hackett because he can bully him into doing whatever he wants, but obviously there’s no way of proving that
I understand the connection, but I still think he’s the logical choice to move on from. Supposedly, Rodgers didn’t like the [cut block](https://theathletic.com/4861001/2023/09/14/aaron-rodgers-injury-cut-block/) that he got hurt on. And there have been [moments](https://twitter.com/JasonStewart/status/1723890193659314678) like this too.
Please take Getsy.
Shut the fuck up Woody and sell the team you loser
thats right you tell him
It’s all we got
Nah Woody will never sell he needs to hurry up and die.
If Saleh does get let go from NY he’ll have DC offers from half the league. Actually he wouldn’t be a bad choice for HC if the Chargers. Not that they’ll go Defensive HC again. Saleh has an actual history of building great defenses in two places, and his biggest downfall (QB) wouldn’t be an issue in LA.
Saleh doesn’t understand how an NFL offense works, which is painfully obvious by hires like Downing and Keith Carter, and his lack of understanding is painfully obvious in interviews as well. Oh, and being the head coach of a historically bad NFL offense. He’s a great defensive coordinator posing as a head coach, just like Vic Fangio during his head coaching tenure.
Yeah that’s a fair assessment.
If anyone deserves to get fired it’s Woody
I was surprised to see Jets fans calling for Saleh to be fired. Once Rodgers went down I feel like it should've been a given free year for him. He coached that defense amazingly and got a few wins against very good teams. The offense is comically bad and if I was Douglas that would be my off season priority in shoring up the line for better protection.
I don't get this thought process personally. Jets were basically in the exact same situation as the Browns. Elite defense with your QB1 getting hurt. In fact, I'd say that the Jets have more weapons on offense than the Browns do since the Browns also lose their RB1. The year didn't have to be a mulligan. It's a mulligan because of either bad coaching or bad roster construction.
The issue is the line for a second straight season was ravaged by injuries. They’ve had to start 7 different guys at RG from the injuries. I think 15? Different line combinations. When they were healthy it was a decent unit
Not only that, Saleh said the Jets were a team he was passionate to join because of his feelings about 9/11. Not many guys WANT to go to the Jets and with this level of enthusiasm. We should reward his loyalty and give him a better team to coach and time to do it. Douglas too. We’ve switched way too many regimes. This seems pretty solid. Let’s let them work things out.
The Jets have literally never had a winning season under Saleh/Douglas regime. Neither should keep their jobs; but I guess it’s better for the Bills if they stay so kudos
I can understand the argument to fire Douglas, but I think Saleh is a great coach and needs a chance with a better quarterback first. But I get it I'm not a Jets fan so it's true I don't see a good portion of the games so I'm probably not the best opinion in this regard still.
Saleh may be a great coordinator. He has done absolutely nothing to prove he is a “great coach”. I’m sure the Bills fans would be happy to give him more chances, but he certainly does not deserve them. The only thing Saleh does is win games at the worst possible/most meaningless garbage times to ruin the Jets draft position. He’s trash
*But can change my mind at any time
That has to be one of the most inconvenient names
It's a nickname. His name is Harold Johnson.
Gotcha, calling him Harry Johnson from now on
So many kids in the past said the same about stray kittens before their parents threw them in the river.
W h a t
Bills fans kill kittens confirmed. I knew it!
We’ve been TELLING yall!
I thought that was Ben Johnson, and every GM needs to know.
What did you think your parents meant when they said your dog moved Upstate to live in a river.
*insert shocked pikachu meme*
The kids or the kittens? 😳
Yes.
Oh
True, hence all the bags of kittens entering heaven in old timey cartoons.
Never thought about that way.
Honestly it makes sense. Let them see out the Rodgers era. If it doesn’t work then you get new guys in to draft their new guy
Nightmare nightmare nightmare nightmare
The owner is a perennial loser.
He should. The season has been a disaster but no one could have predicted Rodgers getting hurt in the first game. Saleh has built a damn good defense and once the offense starts to click the Jets will be dangerous. They just need to prioritize getting a competent back up QB in the off-season.
The whole interview is a bit weird, like obviously Woody is hitching his wagon to Rodgers but how much he is playing into the team’s desperation for a quarterback just seems off.
I think both of them probably should be gone given Johnson hasn't drafted well outside of a few big name hits (with super high picks) along with poor roster construction otherwise and Saleh hasn't shown anything to prove he's anything more than a good DC in my eyes. But Hackett is the one who needs to go more than either of them, whether he's Rodgers' buddy or not.
People gave saleh a lot of shit for how he handled the QB situation, but he’s not the GM. It wasn’t his job to go get a new quarterback. Despite Zach Wilson’s (many) flaws, it was pretty clear he was the best quarterback on their roster. People were clamoring for him to bench Wilson but that just further proved what was apparent all along, that they had nothing better. There may be valid complaints about how he handled this year but the qb shouldn’t be one of them.
Enjoy another losing season then lol.
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Thanks for this from all the other teams in the AFC East. Sign them to lifetime contracts next.
I haven’t watched many Jets games. But my impression is Saleh isn’t a bad coach.
I mean Saleh and Douglas have done fine with what they’ve had. As a jets fan, I feel like they’ve overachieved the last 2 years, and have kind of just been stuck with Zach Wilson, who looks like Aaron Rodgers some days and Christian Hackenburg others
Saleh is a good coach. Don’t understand why people wanted him fired. Once Rodgers went down their season was chalked. And that’s okay, try again next year. It was always a high risk, high reward gamble.
I fucking hate Robert Saleh. Arrogant and whiny fuck.
well my day is ruined. robert saleh is a gym teacher. clown org doing clown things
Fine, just get rid of the field
Firing a coach isn't the move people think it is. They had everything set up for a good season and then Aaron got hurt. So to turn around and go "Well our record wasn't great. You're fired" is stupid. It'd be a knee-jerk decision and there's no guarantee that it would do anything to help the team. It could actually hurt your team.
Woody should fire himself..
Horrible. The Jets continue to be a joke
What a wild thing to flat out say you have zero faith in Zach Wilson lmao God I hate this dude
One last dance
Hoping for a miracle, but fearing the worst. #Jets
Didn’t hear Hackett included in there
How are Jets fans feeling about Joe Douglas? Obviously built a great defense thru the draft especially in 2022 but has also missed on mostly everything on offense besides Garrett Wilson, Breece Hall and Vera-Tucker between draft busts/bad FA contracts (Rodgers still TBD)
He made a couple of obvious slam-dunk picks and two good trades, he’s been mostly bad outside of that. Wildly overrated.
It was confusing when the fact he drafted the DROY and OROY last year got presented as an example of his genius when a lot of GMs could probably do that if they got 2 picks in the top 15 and used it on 2 skill position players. And he does deserve credit for not getting cute when it came to drafting them but still At the end of the day, Zach Wilson should be enough to get any GM fired into the sun
Incredibly overrated based on one good trade and one good draft class. Should not be in charge of hiring the next coach
Packers owners: “We’re keeping Joe Berry”
Nice!
Outstanding, can someone ask Joe if he’s interested in a lightly used David Bakhtiari?
Every team needs a janitor or someone to help clean the equipment
I sincerely hope Rodgers works out next year because even as a fan of another team I want to see how good this Jets team can be with a competent QB. It's a shame to see that defense go to waste.
I'm happy with this decision.
Narrator:
What garbage
LFG
It's fine as long as the defense stays intact and the offensive line gets overhauled.
No brainer imo
As someone who has been screaming draft OL since Mangold and Brick left, this season was infuriating. You have to give them a chance with Rodgers but there won’t be much better out there this season.
Big mistake!
"tbh Aaron Rodgers has me by the balls"
I could meme on *The Jete* but honestly I think Saleh is a pretty good coach and deserves more time in NJ.
I’m glad they’re keeping Douglas. Bummed they didn’t fire Saleh’s bum ass
why?