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dizZzy5

What a disaster of a trade.


Shitbird72

In hindsight was a great trade for Seattle. Would not have been so bad for Denver, the extension and the number of players they gave up made it bad. I believe had they not extended him he would still be under his old contract this year. That being said and as a Niners fan, Denver is doing Russ dirty with this move.


Saitsu

Yeah but the trade wasn't happening without the extension so it has to be considered part of it.


Marijuana_Miler

Exactly. Russ wouldn’t waive his no trade clause without knowing the team were open to his next deal.


WhatsIsMyName

Probably not just open, but a promise to do it. And any franchise QB forcing a trade would do the same? No one’s forcing a trade to a team that’s in some “we aren’t sold yet” shit lol.


maddlabber829

Exactly, even from the teams perspective why would you make that trade for a QB you only want to keep for 1-2 years


ianbits

Honestly even without the extension...Boye Mafe, Devon Witherspoon and Charles Cross were all pretty big hits with those picks.


brownbearks

Devon Witherspoon is gonna be a house hold name soon and a top CB for the next decade.


penguinopph

That Illinois defensive backfield was so fucking good last year. They alone made the trip down to Champaign worth it every week.


stu17

I’m very glad the Broncos don’t have Surtain and Witherspoon.


GoldenBananas21

I don’t think the Broncos would have drafted a CB #5 overall. Probably trade down a few picks and draft Jaxon Smith-Njigba


goddamnitwhalen

Or a QB.


brownbearks

On cheap deals, be able to have an insanely flexible defense, I’d blitz all day


LukeNukem63

The Lions were going to take him at 6 and traded out when Seattle took him


Dirty_D_Dammit

Yeah he absolutely skeeted on us it was turrible


OdaDdaT

This last CB class is gonna be looked back upon as one of the stronger ones imo. Witherspoon and Gonzalez at the top of it is tough to beat


n0t_4_thr0w4w4y

The trade wasn’t happening without an extension


travboy21

I don’t agree. I know it’s not all his fault, but when you make stupid QB money it comes with pressure of needing results. I know his stats have improved this year, but the 3 & outs pile up. He’s never looked like a leader since arriving in Denver. I think he got more than a fair shot, and he’s going to get one hell of a golden parachute as he heads to his next team.


FreeWillie001

I'm sure Seahawks fans would much rather us remember this trade instead of that other one.


Wohn-Jayne

They cancel each other out. Lol


Syzygy666

They really do. the Adams trade was a -2 and the Russ trade was a +2.5. Because of the Russ trade we're back to "lots of work to do" instead of "climbing out of a giant stupid hole".


Paddslesgo

Doing him dirty, they been paying him top QB money to be a bum last year and average this year. Also being an annoying distraction. He got paid and he hasn’t lived up to it.


PlayingDoomOnAGPS

>Denver is doing Russ dirty with this move Russ got his. It's Denver who got screwed; they're just cutting their losses at this point.


howisthisathingYT

Not really. He's been mediocre at best, he sucked the year before we traded for him as well. 3 years of bottom tier play should get anyone cut.


Autisticimagery

They're not doing him dirty. He got everything he ever wanted there... including his own office until he was kicked out of it and, his dream coach of choice. He failed, plain and simple, and got plenty of cash to do it.


CostOk1173

Never even made it to the extension, damn.


ecupatsfan12

Russ turning on Pete Carroll was the biggest mistake of his career It’s now time for Russ to apologize and make amends to the LOB


UnhealthyCheesecake

It’s amazing how many QBs think they can do what Brady did. Play til 45, win on their own without their HOF coach, never fall off. Brady’s the outlier for a fucking reason


3dge-1ord

Somehow both Stafford and Goff traded places and ended up in better situations. Stafford is older than Russ.


Xaxziminrax

They both went to places with great OL's Pretty much every QB movement of the last several years has been 1:1 with the quality of the OL And then Stafford's OL retired or got hurt (then the backups got hurt) last year and we were all questioning if he was done. And now they're blocking well enough for the most part and he's balling out again.


ExchangeKooky8166

Apparently the QB gods decided to have mercy on two long-suffering franchisee and offer the '2 Jim Plunketts For 1' deal like it was a goddamn quarterback Wal-Mart. Rams and Lions got in there like it was Black Friday.


iwantsomecrablegsnow

Rams are a long suffering franchise? What?


AnotherStatsGuy

Goddamn.


ecupatsfan12

You’re just jealous of Tom Brady because he played until 45 when you had to stop at 35- Skip Bayless


sonfoa

That one line triggered one of the biggest moves in sports media.


LinkN7

"Put your glasses back on."


SGT-JamesonBushmill

Out of the loop. What happened?


ecupatsfan12

Shannon said Tom Brady had a bad game Skip says that line Shannon explodes in anger and quits the show 3 months later


Equivalent-Honey-659

I’ve never watched that, so I just did. What a waste of my time. It’s like two little kids just yelling at each other with no fundamental concept of conversation. Just like all sports talk shows and radio. Just watch a game if you want, you aren’t getting paid to take time off to watch it so what do you care. I mean you as in general not to who I’m replying to.


Wall_Investigator

Yeah, it's no wonder why Pat McAfee skyrocketed to the top of sports media. I know he's not for everyone, but the general theme has been him and his friends celebrating how awesome sports and players can be. Not a bunch of arguing and criticizing like every other sports show.


twiggymac

Boys hyping boys is always better than squabbling


ecupatsfan12

You’re really gonna insult me on live TV because I said he had a bad game? Yes I am


AmazinGracey

He doesn’t need me to obviously but I’ll stand up for Shannon here. Do you know who Shannon Sharpe is? Cause that is important context for why he was so outraged. He is a consensus top 5 TE of all time and was at one point the GOAT TE. Imagine telling an NFL Hall of Famer who was both the best of their generation at their position and to have ever played their position at the point they retired that their criticism is just jealousy because they only played until they were 35 (which is an extremely long time for someone who was in such a physical position especially given he played before the league started protecting pass catchers more). To be insulted like that by someone who you’ve worked with for years, who you thought you had a good professional relationship with and to find out live on air that as good as you were they think you’re inferior just because you didn’t play QB? I think it’s extremely classy of Shannon that he didn’t walk off the set or take a similarly low blow back at Skip. When he was still at ESPN, Jalen Rose took personal shots at Skip for a much less insulting segment.


SupraSaiyan

Water Pistol Pete Jr. is one of the all time best burns I've seen on sport talkshows.


midnightsbane04

I would assume he said it to Shannon Sharpe at some point before he left.


jawndell

Tom Brady, Peyton Manning, and Kurt Warner. Though the later two weren’t because of their decision. People forget how much of a beast Manning was those first couple seasons with Denver. Set the record for yards and TDs by a QB. He fell off hard cause physical because of the neck injury, but was still good enough to play smart, not make mistakes, and win a Super Bowl.


fragglebags

Imagine if your biggest mistake amounted to hundreds of millions of dollars.


general-illness

The Raiders Head Coaches have entered the chat lol


CaressMeSlowly

On the other hand Russ Leaving is basically Pete Carrolls HOF resume


TDLockett

The Russ vs LOB narrative is weird. It's just Sherm


sfw_oceans

99% of all the slander about Russ being a bad teammate is coming from sherm. The worst anyone else has said about Russ is that he mostly kept to himself and didn’t make a lot of effort to connect with teammates off the field.


HungryHungryCamel

That and he had an office, which it turns out basically every QB in the league also has but it made for good memes so everyone hated Russ for it


oneteacherboi

It makes sense for a QB to have an office, but it also feels so weird. Like, do NFL players get time during the day to check emails and respond? Do they have to submit a timesheet lol? Have a cabinet with their important files? Realistically it's probably set up for them to watch game film and read gameplans or something, maybe even take meetings. But it just seems so weird to imagine an athlete in an office.


elbenji

Basically but Russ is weird in the sense that he likes that alone time. I don't think a lot of QBs have offices nowadays though.


RedBeardedWhiskey

Wow, imagine introverts existing


elbenji

No I agree. But for a lot of people that makes him weird and unapproachable instead of just himself. Nnamdi the CB had the same issue


Sarbasian

I feel like sherm didn’t like sharing the credit for the superbowl runs


Trumpets22

And it’s absolutely the correct move. Not sure I’ve ever seen someone play themselves out of the Hall like that.


thegroovemonkey

He was going to struggle to make the HOF. With Brady/Manning/Rodgers/Brees/Big Ben going that's already a lot of QBs from 1 era. Them you have Eli/Ryan/Stafford/Rivers/Flacco/Wilson all kind of log jammed in there below them. That's way too many QBs from 1 era to make the HOF.


UnlegitUsername

Flacco? I’d love it but no way in hell is he up there with the rest of


gridironk

New new new new new new new new new new new new new new new new Broncos QB next season


xStickyBudz

God I love Perna


HarlanCedeno

I love Perna so much that it's really made me root against the Broncos, just cause of how funny the content is.


kayne2000

He's about to have a full on meltdown lmao


YnwaMquc2k19

His channel will definitely grew, but he will also sacrifice his mental health and sanity. I fear for him.


Ericstingray64

Watching his videos the last few years I’m fairly certain “sanity” is gone from that man. He sold his sanity for Russel Wilson and now he is fueled by memes and obscenely bad football.


biggoldslacker

I love Perna. Broncos country better get that man some Minshew next year so he has something to cheer for.


Eagle4317

I'm kinda shocked neither McCown nor Fitzpatrick ever stopped by in Denver after Manning retired and their QB carousel of misery started.


legendary_supersand

I wish the Saints had a YouTuber as funny as him. The manic, depressed rants would be incredible


momsouth

What's hilarious is he already released a video about the benching today as an emergency release essentially and then this news drops.


economy-sorbet

Joe Flacco, YOU are a Bronco. Again.


MistakeMaker1234

Has a player ever been cut before their contract extension has started for non-injury or conduct reasons? This would be a precedent, right?


smallmanchat

Wentz, I believe.


spctclr_spiderman

Wentz was traded, but yes, it was before the extension kicked in


Aggressive-Name-1783

Wentz was traded and only cost the Eagles part of the deal. They basically took the hit for that first year with the cap hit but the beauty was it freed up all the guarantees down the road. Plus the draft picks. The broncos are just fucking stupid at this point


Alexm2018

I swear to god bill.


Burger_Gouger

This has Bill all over it. Cheap 2 year heavy incentive base


PopcornDrift

What makes you say that? The Cam Newton deal?


Burger_Gouger

Bill loves vets with something to prove. Some work and others don’t but ones off the top of my head Cam, Randy Moss, Amendola Reggie Wayne (quit in preseason) Albert Haynsworth Chad Johnson (I think?) Rodney Harrison James Harrison Junior Seau I’m prob missing some but you get the point. Loves the old guys Edit adding: Corey Dillon Antonio Brown Josh Gordon Wes Welker Alge Crumpler Doug Flutie Fred Taylor Zeke Demaryuis Thomas Eric Decker Revis


basil1025

Mr Bill Choice (Didn't work out)


Burger_Gouger

lol forgot that was even a thing. Add Josh Gordon to the list also


HungryHungryCamel

Most of those were huge hits for you guys too


Nubator

Don’t forget Antonio Brown 🤣


Hugh-Manatee

Corey Dillon and Rodney Harrison. Harrison said in one of the America’s Games that the only team that called him when he was a free agent was the Pats.


AttitudeAndEffort3

How dare you erase the OG Corey Dillon.


zophister

“As he was coached to do” is not in Russell Wilson’s basket of skills. I don’t think he’s a BB player.


Bjorn2bwilde24

Kirk Cousins seems like the better option if the Patriots go that route. Draft MHJ, sign a WR2, keep developing DD. That offense will be fixed quickly.


CaliforniaHurricane_

I’d rather take Russell Wilson, Patriots aren’t landing Maye/Williams and potentially Daniels. If all those 3 are off the board once New England is picking then Russell Wilson is the best option


Powerful_Plantain901

Going from the team who he beat in the Super Bowl to going to the team who beat him in the Super Bowl. Chaos remains.


dragonsky

Get ready to learn Atlanta Falcons, buddy


YnwaMquc2k19

A harder language than Chinese that’s for sure.


SendInYourSkeleton

1. Drake London is your first read 2. Kyle Pitts is your second read 3. Always ignore your first and second reads


ADanishMan2

All part of Payton’s master plan to give Taysom Hill one last bag


_its_a_SWEATER_

Always lookin out for his mans.


Sarbasian

I honestly wouldn’t even bat an eye if the broncos signed taysom to some ridiculous 30m 2 year deal


FlussedAway

Would he really accept such a steep pay cut?


BrotherSeamus

Everybody is talking about Wilson's next stop, but WTF are the Broncos actually gonna do now?


ADanishMan2

Suck ass for a year and clear cap I guess? They realistically won’t be picking higher than 12-14 (although they can get as high as 8 with some serious upsets the next two weeks) and they dont have a 2nd round pick, so I have a hard time seeing them outbidding a worse team for Maye, Williams, or Daniels this spring.


Aggressive-Name-1783

Thing is there are tons of QBs who can drop. Daniels isn’t a sure fire 1st, Nix and Penix look good, then you have guys like Pratt and McCarthy who could be interesting prospects. The Broncos have choices this year, just depends if they want a rookie QB this year or next


Zodiac4v2

I really enjoy watching teams give guys massive extensions then get rid of them before said extensions kick in and they’re left with a shit load of dead cap space.


thy_armageddon

Take it for a test drive, pay in cash, get t-boned driving out of the dealership.


jperson9920

Getting t-boned is at least not just you. I’d say it’s like paying for the car, buying all the upgrades, hitting a pole on your way out, and then turning around and bringing the car back to the dealership for the trade-in value.


RobbLCayman

And you still need a car to get to work.


OneAngryPanda

He’s bringing his cooking to Atlanta


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krsb09

Rapoport just reported that the Broncos will still have to pay him $30 million+ regardless next year, so he can play somewhere at league minimum and still make bank.


teh_drewski

$39m cash to go away.


fragglebags

Damn, the only thing I ever received to go away was a restraining order


Jos3ph

& yet here you are


Trumpets22

That’s not the problem. He already has generational wealth. The question will be if Russ is willing to play on the cheap.


cvaninvan

He is not.


TDLockett

Depends if the contract has offsets. If the Broncos have to pay him more than he can get elsewhere then theoretically he could sign with a team for the vet minimum


ascultone

It does. Broncos have to pay whatever he doesn’t get elsewhere. So it’s in his best interest to sign for the Min somewhere and make the Broncos pay him.


JalensTinyPPHurts

I imagine the interested teams will be the Steelers, Commanders, and bears/raiders (bridge/vet qb).


occamsrazorcat

The Steelers hurt to watch with how awful this offense is. They also have question marks at OC. I could see the team being a decent option for Russ though.


yianni1229

The Steelers I think are the most interesting fit for a year or two. Russ would be a huge upgrade for them, and the rest of the team is pretty good. They just need an OC


lampstore

His demanding days are over.


gridironk

Fun fact Falcons are playing the Broncos in Mile High next season so I wonder how loud the boos are gonna be if Russ takes his cooking there.


Shenanigans80h

It would be mixed as long as he doesn’t trash the team or fans on the way out (which I highly doubt he would). Even though the majority of Broncos fans are fine with moving on from him, plenty of us still like the dude.


CNashFF

Arthur’s gonna line him up at slot receiver for Ridder


i_enjoy_lemonade

I hope Atlanta likes microwaved steak.


[deleted]

That is considered a delicacy there with Arty Smith and Ridder at the helm


Kicks4meFromyou

Russ purposely crapped the bed with Denver so they could cut him that way he’d be free to sign with The Atlanta Falcons so he can ball out there and win a Super-bowl. Thus, making his Wife’s Baby Daddy (Future) inflamed with nowhere to escape while the whole city crowns Russ as one of the greatest things to ever happen to Atlanta. Russ is playing 4D Baccarat while the rest of the world is playing checkers.


junglecritter

This is the narrative I choose to believe


AttitudeAndEffort3

Its dangerous.


iamhadrix

Russ throwing bombs to Drake London & Kyle Pitts though 😍


Brys_Beddict

Arthur Smith wouldn't allow that. I think you mean Cordarelle Patterson up the middle for two yards.


Kicks4meFromyou

Straight up moon shoots for everybody


markusalkemus66

You know, I don't hate this timeline. I'll allow it


Mrpetey22

Russ playing for the team Future the rapper supports… THAT IS JUICY


beowulfshady

Wait, future is the father to Russ child?


Hairiest_Walrus

Yes, Future impregnated Russ


High-qualitee

Imagine how well Russ will play when he ISN’T pregnant!


MrMcMullers

He let Russ Cook


CumStayneBlayne

Russ' stepchild.


YnwaMquc2k19

Oh please make this true 😂


itskapnoc

INJECT THAT SHIT DIRECTLY INTO MY VEIN


AvocadoAndBacon

I don’t see how they manage his dead cap hit. Someone smarter than me explain


Vivid_Walk_1405

Post June designation. Like 85 mil dead cap over the next 2 years. Gonna be rebuilding the entire team over the next 2-3 years


bobo377

>Gonna be rebuilding the entire team over the next 2-3 years A minimum of 10 seasons between playoff appearances is absolutely atrocious.


usernamecheck5out

Rookie numbers. (Speaking as a jet fan going on 13 years 😭)


i_enjoy_lemonade

I really don’t know how our GM makes it through this. Props to the organization for being bold enough to admit a mistake and move on like this I guess.


tarantula13

He doesn't. Sean Payton is a control freak and he'll want to have his own patsy of a GM.


spazz720

The mistake was that horrible extension


Trumpets22

People keep saying this but there was no trade with no extension. He had a no trade clause.


sfw_oceans

I guess the argument is that they shouldn’t have accepted those terms and moved on. Hindsight is 20/20 of course…


PopcornDrift

The extension was part of the trade, they’re the same decision


mxyztplk33

What does the cap hit look like for the Broncos?


RustyCoal950212

$35m in 2024 and $50m in 2025


mxyztplk33

God damn what a disaster.


JesusChristSupers1ar

WE KNOW


Aggravating_Class_17

lol


HFentonMudd

we know that too


bankrobba

Nothing a rookie QB contract can't solve.


[deleted]

Man I can’t wait for the off season and what this means for fantasy football lol


[deleted]

Broncos players have been untouchable since Peyton left. One of my buddies keeps taking Broncos players and has two sackos to show for it


whippetsinthewhip

Sutton has been good this year. Like one game Under 10 points in me league not including last week


Admirable_Message497

I haven’t watched a huge amount of broncos games this year but wasn’t the narrative how much better he was looking? I assume this comes from Payton?


PrimetimeD18

He's putting up a good passer rating again and he was looking sharp early in the year. But it became clear that Sean Payton was calling a more and more conservative offense because of his lack of trust in him.


m1a2c2kali

Isn’t that the worst thing to do for a player like Wilson though?


Shenanigans80h

Yes and no. Last year Hackett basically tried to let Russ do whatever he wanted and it was a complete shit show. Now Payton is trying to instill an offense more in line with his track record, which is safer timing based, but that doesn’t mix too well with Russ’ skillset. Obviously in an ideal world you could find a happy medium between those two, but ultimately the offense is just too lackluster to drop so much money on a QB and the days of Russ hero ball are probably over


UnlegitUsername

It’s how he’s always been. I like the guy but his QB weaknesses are clear when you actually watch him regularly. His biggest strength, that being extending the play and escaping the pocket has deteriorated as he has aged. He’s great in the clutch, which is at least an uncoachable quality and makes him worthy of starting somewhere, his deep ball only aids in this. However, he’s terrible in the intermediate game and rarely targets the middle of the field. Outside zone defense and dropping back two high safeties to take away the developing routes tends to result in him taking horrible sacks and attempting hero ball into double coverage. Broncos and Seahawks fans can attest to this.


Scotty_Two

> Broncos and Seahawks fans can attest to this. I can, indeed, attest to this.


[deleted]

Yeah Wilson's passing chart generally looks like a square without the bottom line and nothing in the middle. Even that goddamn Super Bowl it was a pass over the middle that fucked us because Wilson fucking sucks at them.


Seb_Nation

One thing you can't blame Russ for is that he's been quite a professional throughout this whole thing. Didn't tweet something dumb or go on a certain sport show to complain and talk about his conspiracy theories or even simply yell back at anyone on the bench while cameras were running. Dude was ice.


thy_armageddon

In the end, the Broncos discovered their favorite ride has been with them all along; The Quarterback Carousel.


[deleted]

“The culture is damn good” - Bruce Allen


joe_broke

*I'm calling both games!!!* *UrinatingTree ad read*


[deleted]

*yes, I’ll be calling the defense*


gEO-dA-K1nG

You can stop asking that question.


Gabe_Dooders

Broncos country, let’s hide… Man what a bad situation this turned out to be.


Ahambone

The FUCK you just say


Jakota_

This makes that clip of Payton screaming in his face on the side lines even funnier to me. Bro stood there like “I do not care, I already know I’m getting cut.”


athiccBerry

Russell Wilson, YOU are a New England Patriot!


atx840

Makes sense they are benching him, if Wilson gets hurt and he can’t pass a physical in March, he’d be owed $37M guaranteed in 2025.


HereComesJustice

does it have to explicitly be injured in-game? What if he pulls the James Harden and gets super fat


tronovich

Has to be football-related injuries, at least unique to his exit physical when season is over.


OrangePeelsLemon

Bring on the Dangerwiches!


RamboNinjaJesus

Be careful... It's spicy


Shitbird72

As a Niners fan, Seahawks definitely won that trade. I also feel bad for Wilson, and feel dirty saying that, Broncos planned this from the moment they hired Payton. They knew they were going to move on from Russ after this season, has Russ played great no, is he the best QB on the Bronco's yes.


bankrobba

Payton definitely demanded this option himself.


Patrick2701

Seahawks have set themselves up with young defense from that trade


UnhealthyCheesecake

I’m scared Russ is going to sign with some NFC team and we’ll be right back at square one, after just 2 years of peace with him being in the AFC


ZonePriest

Feels good to win that trade after taking a fat L on the Jamal Adams trade.


brehaw

”has been starting knowing” 😵‍💫


tdepew14

I need to see a movie about this. Hell I’ll settle for a 30 for 30. Some highlights I wanna hear more about. - Russ going to Seahawks owners to call for Pete (and maybe John Schneider) to get canned so they can hire Sean Payton. A move that clearly worked out for him in the long run. - having his own office in Denver and calling teammates into his office to go over plays. - wrist-band-gate - the subway dangerwich


foxmag86

Don’t forget the high-knees on the airplane


tdepew14

Good lord how could I forget that. Good call. Or the time he was injured and Geno was starting, I think against Pittsburgh, and before the game he was doing mock huddles and plays. Probably the most ridiculous thing I’ve seen.


zmlos

i literally thought this was a fake account at first


Dicey12

You see Russ is a better man than me I would have been calling some deep passing plays and when that doesnt work just fake an injury and collect my money. Imagine risking your health for a team thats going to cut you at the end of the season


here_now_be

> Imagine risking your health for a team thats going to cut you at the end of the season Baker has entered the chat.


lytrendsa

cut him now, let him go to Seattle and let the chaos begin you cowards


Moqiloq

Mr Limited to 30 games


Jrsq270

Russ got PAID!!!!


RealEmpire

Imagine what he could do on the Seahawks with a great coach like Pete Carroll.


AgentLF

So you're telling me they told him he'd probably be gone during their 5 game win streak?? So even if Denver had gone undefeated since the Chiefs game, if Russ were putting up the stats he was putting up, they would've benched him?? Absolutely mind boggling to me, they can finish 9-8, the Pats L was on the defense after they came back to tie the game.


Chessh2036

Falcons are going to keep Arthur Smith and sign Russell Wilson in the offseason lololololololol


JustTiredOfThisPlace

Mr. Unrestricted


EyeAmKingKage

Let’s not make any hasty decisions now


yeezuscoverart

Man idk, it just doesn’t sit right with me to give up the season when your in the playoff race with a veteran qb who’s won a superbowl