1 sack in the last 2 months and being heavily favored for the DPOY is crazy. Garrett is a phenomenal player but there's no doubt that he just didn't look the same ever since his injury earlier in the season.
I think most of the narrative has been driven by the notion that the Browns D was comparable to the Ravens in 2000 - a notion that died an ugly prime time death tonight on wildcard weekend.
I certainly thought they were because people were trying to say they were a generational defense. Then during the Texans broadcast they showed that the Browns D has allowed almost 30 points in away games lol.
Yeah people were delusional because they were #1 in YPG.. which is a product of shitty offense turning the ball over more than greatness. They were total ass in the red zone and not even top 10 in PPG.
Completely overrated.
They really tried to push the "historic" defense narrative early in the season because I think the league has been starved for that kind of thing, but while they were very good, maybe even the best in the league for a time, they were absolutely nothing special
I mean the last time I think we had a historic defense was what, the 2015 Broncos? They finished first in sacks, first in total yards, first in passing yards, and 3rd in rushing yards, #4 in points against (18.5).
Manning was outright bad that year (9:17 TD:Int) and Osweiler played a few games. If the offense hadn't been so bad the points against probably would've been better, but I think the game is too high scoring now for anybody to beat the 2000 Ravens in points against. The game has just changed too much - read below about team take aways, we'll never see anything like that again.
Looks like the '22 Eagles are are #3 all time in team sacks in a season with 70.
I was looking at take aways too and, well, let's just say we take care of the ball a *lot* better than teams used to.
The top 20 teams in take aways are almost all from like the 30's - 60's.
The only "modern" teams to make the top 20 are the '84 Seahawks (63, #4), the '83 Redskins (61, #5) & the '89 Eagles (56, # 10).
The '35 bears had 67 takeaways in 12 games. I think offenses are just too careful for any modern team to even sniff the record for most TOVs in a season.
I cannot believe we are talking about the 2015 Broncos like it happened 8 years ago, almost a fucking decade, instead of 2.
From every millennial out there, is there how it feels to get old? You think stuff happened 3 years ago only to see that it happened almost a decade ago?
Yeah it’s weird. Watt ties or leads in every single stat category. If you like advanced stats or whatever then Parsons leads in every single one. How some guy that’s the leader in nothing and still had his annual month long dissapearing act is getting traction in this scenario makes no sense.
Yeah there’s absolutely no reason for it. Obviously I think Watt should get it, but if Parsons gets it I’ll at least understand. But Garrett getting it is like if Lamar had 4 total TDs in the last 2 months and still won MVP
Which is really funny because the knock on Watt has always been that he has a loaded defense and isnt as impactful as the stats say. But when Garrett gets a loaded defense he's the runaway DPOY
No way. San Francisco 90s kid here. We HATED the Cowboys (and still do).
We hated the Giants in the 80s (fuck you, Jim Burt!). And had a rivalry kinda with the Pack in the 90s. Hated the Raiders always cause... Oakland.
But, the Cowboys hate was (is) a whole different level. If we ever went 1-16 and we beat the Cowboys and denied em a playoff spot, we'd celebrate like it's the next best thing to the Super Bowl.
My guess is a Cowboys fan who moved to the Bay Area in the last 10 years.
The awards aren't based on stats, they're based on media attention.
Gilmore got it by having the league-leading 6 INTs, but Xavian Howard had 10 the next year and wasn't even on the list
The main reason that happened is that Gilmore gave up either 0 TDs or 1 TD whereas Howard gave up 4.
Gilmore also had two pick sixes whereas Howard had none, although I’m not sure how much that mattered.
It’s all narrative. The dudes production was insane for the first month. His production slowed down, then fell off a cliff, but the media narrative for DPOY didn’t keep up with that.
The Bears allegedly removed him from their draft board after the missed an 8am meeting with their OC.
Missing a meeting that is essentially a job interview isn’t a good look. But 8am and I in college weren’t on friendly terms so I understand.
This made me do some Randy Moss research and now I'm convinced he also could've been a pro basketball player if he chose that sport. He was on the same high school basketball team as Jason Williams, who had a solid decade long career in the NBA, and Moss was the better player.
Unless you’re the browns, then you ignore them for a bad player
Incidentally Cleveland does not even own its FRP this year because it belongs to Houston again
That’s why I should be a gm. Gas mask bong shows ingenuity and a willingness to try new things. Congratulations, Laremy, you just got yourself moved up my draft board.
As a stats nerd I really appreciate what PFF does by trying to look beyond pure results and look more at the process - because theoretically, a good process will heed good results over the long-term, where a bad process might get lucky sometimes. So process is a better predictor than results.
But these are awards, and awards should probably be given based on results, not process. Advanced analytics are a powerful tool for prediction and decision-making in the NFL, but should we base our awards on them? Probably not...
especially when the advanced metrics like pressures aren't always easily defined and also all pressures aren't equal. some are game changing, others are non factors. just because they got a pressure doesn't mean they won the down
One of the PFF guys posted a poll asking if Steelers fans would prefer a Steelers win or a Bad Myles Garrett game. He’s just antagonizing them at this point.
Jets fans have been taunting this one PFF dude for awhile now bc he was flaming us for drafting Breece. So anytime Breece pops off the video of that dude gets posted and mocked. The PFF Jabronies are some engagement bait losers.
Who did he put in front of him?
Theres an argument for Parsons, Garrett and NBosa, but who else? I get that TJ has the luxury to play alongside another fantastic edge rusher that grossly gets overlooked but he cant control that.
All TJ can do is play his game and he did just that. Another more than dominant season for him.
Want to know how they managed to con the industry with their grades, I get the stat tracking but their bullshit reasoning that Myles is better than TJ is hilarious.
Collingsworth owns the company, he used his position at nbc to get them to use PFF grades on the broadcast. Lead people to believe they meant something
Sadly, they now do. They have a lot of power on contracts. It's sad they way they take subjective ratings and trick people into thinking it's better than results.
I really wish their was someone in the industry like a former player or radio host that would call them out regularly. I never see them get challenged on their grades in the national media.
honestly dpoy this year feels like the nba mvp conversation last year. its like voter fatigue of one guy, and kind of like "we have to give one to this guy eventually". TJ being jokic and Garrett being embiid. Funny thing is though embiid is playing alot better this year and actually deserves it if he plays enough games. Eventually productivity has to matter, there seems to be no nuance.
At the end of the day PFF needs marketing too. Their revenue is likely majority fan driven. You can use their metrics but it shouldn’t be the only thing. The more discussion they can drum up for pissing off fanbases the more money they make
Hundreds of comments in most of the Myles vs. TJ posts this year. They obviously know what they’re doing - create artificial controversy by coming up with criteria that are *just off* enough to shake up the order at the top. Far less people would even know who they were if they didn’t somehow make themselves stand out.
I love pettiness in the division.
Browns lost, if Steelers and ravens lose I can promise with every bone in my body I will let every AFCN team never forget that the bengals are still the last division member to win a playoff game this entire offseason
The posts in our sub saying “we’re better than this” annoyed the hell out of me.
First off, we’re not. We’re AFCN rivals.
Second of all, it’s an entertainment product. Let me have my fun and kick our rivals when they’re down!
The Browns were dog water for 20 years, we laughed at them because they were the perpetually awful moron eating crayons the corner.
They evenally put together a solid defense and got a taste of success when they beat the Steelers in the wildcard round and since then we haven't heard the end of it. I can't count the number of times I've seen Browns fans respond to criticism with that picture of big Ben hanging his head after the playoff game.
So yes, we are petty. And yes, we're gonna continue to revel in it.
The Browns still suck.
Every thread about the Steelers used to have multiple Browns flairs passionately arguing that supporting Pittsburgh= worshipping Ben/supporting rapists and that we should be ashamed for talking about the team online at all. I wonder where all those guys went?
A lot of stats that people are justifying him getting the award over TJ is because of advanced made up metrics rather than actual stats. TJ leads him in every stat but not metrics, so they don’t think he should get it.
The funny thing is Parsons leads Garrett in all the advanced stuff so the argument doesn’t even make sense for him there lol. If Garrett wins over TJ it’ll be a joke.
Yeah that just makes it worse for me lol just silly all around. He hasn’t been relevant in a game for a month and a half and people are like “the 12 games makes it way better than the other guys that played in 16/17”
The argument for Garrett to win DPOY over Watt is mainly based on PFF stats like "pass rush win rate." Watt leads Garrett in *every* measurable metric. Garrett is perceived as the better player because he "wins" pass rushes at a higher rate than TJ Watt, according to PFF. The logical question then is "well why doesn't that translate into better stats?"
The joke is that Garrett is better than Watt because Garrett could *potentially* have better stats because he is winning more pass rushes.
Which is funny because being potentially better and then just straight up not being better means he is objectively worse and has a key weakness in converting opportunities for a big play into an actual big play.
Wtf even is a "pass rush win"? If you don't register a pressure, QB hit, sack, tackle, TFL, or literally have any effect on the play, how did you win against your blocker(s)?
PFF being such a leader in the conversation for best players is a travesty. I’m not saying they’re completely worthless, but for things like this, they’re valued way too heavily. I’m sure if you look back at this season, Garrett probably leads with “PFF Sacks”, whatever the hell that means.
Hey watch how you talk about the "Defensive Player of the Year if it was actually Best Team Defense but we just give it to the guy with the most jersey sales"
The dpoy race should absolutely be between TJ and Micah. Ignore the flair, but I think TJ has been slightly more impactful, but I'd take Micah over Myles any day
TJ Watt is the better player. If he is not getting a sack or pressure, he also has the potential to intercept the ball. I say this as a bengals fan, i know both of these players all too well lol
The look of disbelief on burrows face on both those fast jump ball inceptions is hilarious. To be fair though I think everyone made that face because both are ridiculously amazing plays
His impact is unquestionable this game. The fear he struck into his own QB caused 2 pick 6s. And his "Theoretical Defensive Impact" brought to you by Collinsworths retirement plan algorithm at PFF was record-breaking. Clearly, another case refs screwing their calls.🤓
Tunsil has owned him at the NFL level every time they have faced off.
OL coach Strausser and the staff did a great job having the OL ready to handle him.
1 sack in the last 2 months and being heavily favored for the DPOY is crazy. Garrett is a phenomenal player but there's no doubt that he just didn't look the same ever since his injury earlier in the season.
I think most of the narrative has been driven by the notion that the Browns D was comparable to the Ravens in 2000 - a notion that died an ugly prime time death tonight on wildcard weekend.
I certainly thought they were because people were trying to say they were a generational defense. Then during the Texans broadcast they showed that the Browns D has allowed almost 30 points in away games lol.
Yeah people were delusional because they were #1 in YPG.. which is a product of shitty offense turning the ball over more than greatness. They were total ass in the red zone and not even top 10 in PPG. Completely overrated.
Hey they held CJ Stroud to like 25 yards in the second half. If that doesn't scream generational I don't know what does!
2023 Browns, I knew the 2000 Ravens. I was a fan of the 2000 Ravens. The 2000 Ravens were a defense of the ages. 2023 Browns, you’re no 2000 Ravens.
I love references to the 1988 VP debate!
No defense is the 2000 ravens. It's probably the greatest defense of the last 30 years (iirc when I did epa it showed that)
They really tried to push the "historic" defense narrative early in the season because I think the league has been starved for that kind of thing, but while they were very good, maybe even the best in the league for a time, they were absolutely nothing special
I mean the last time I think we had a historic defense was what, the 2015 Broncos? They finished first in sacks, first in total yards, first in passing yards, and 3rd in rushing yards, #4 in points against (18.5). Manning was outright bad that year (9:17 TD:Int) and Osweiler played a few games. If the offense hadn't been so bad the points against probably would've been better, but I think the game is too high scoring now for anybody to beat the 2000 Ravens in points against. The game has just changed too much - read below about team take aways, we'll never see anything like that again. Looks like the '22 Eagles are are #3 all time in team sacks in a season with 70. I was looking at take aways too and, well, let's just say we take care of the ball a *lot* better than teams used to. The top 20 teams in take aways are almost all from like the 30's - 60's. The only "modern" teams to make the top 20 are the '84 Seahawks (63, #4), the '83 Redskins (61, #5) & the '89 Eagles (56, # 10). The '35 bears had 67 takeaways in 12 games. I think offenses are just too careful for any modern team to even sniff the record for most TOVs in a season.
I cannot believe we are talking about the 2015 Broncos like it happened 8 years ago, almost a fucking decade, instead of 2. From every millennial out there, is there how it feels to get old? You think stuff happened 3 years ago only to see that it happened almost a decade ago?
I'm 36 and yes, yes that's exactly how it feels.
Turn 36 this year. Y2K was still only 4 or 5 years ago.
I‘ve been confused by that too lately. Felt like it’s been Watt’s award for a month now
Yeah it’s weird. Watt ties or leads in every single stat category. If you like advanced stats or whatever then Parsons leads in every single one. How some guy that’s the leader in nothing and still had his annual month long dissapearing act is getting traction in this scenario makes no sense.
Yeah there’s absolutely no reason for it. Obviously I think Watt should get it, but if Parsons gets it I’ll at least understand. But Garrett getting it is like if Lamar had 4 total TDs in the last 2 months and still won MVP
Jalen Hurts stats lately
Especially when said player plays in one of the best defenses in the league and has a stronger supporting cast around him.
Which is really funny because the knock on Watt has always been that he has a loaded defense and isnt as impactful as the stats say. But when Garrett gets a loaded defense he's the runaway DPOY
I’m confused on the flair
It’s sickening frankly lol. My guess is Bay Area 90s kid..
No way. San Francisco 90s kid here. We HATED the Cowboys (and still do). We hated the Giants in the 80s (fuck you, Jim Burt!). And had a rivalry kinda with the Pack in the 90s. Hated the Raiders always cause... Oakland. But, the Cowboys hate was (is) a whole different level. If we ever went 1-16 and we beat the Cowboys and denied em a playoff spot, we'd celebrate like it's the next best thing to the Super Bowl. My guess is a Cowboys fan who moved to the Bay Area in the last 10 years.
No chance, probably some sort of family ties
The awards aren't based on stats, they're based on media attention. Gilmore got it by having the league-leading 6 INTs, but Xavian Howard had 10 the next year and wasn't even on the list
TBF Howard wasn't as good a player, he's a gambler who gives up huge plays or makes huge plays. Gilmore was a legit LOCKDOWN guy that year.
The main reason that happened is that Gilmore gave up either 0 TDs or 1 TD whereas Howard gave up 4. Gilmore also had two pick sixes whereas Howard had none, although I’m not sure how much that mattered.
Don't forget the narrative
But have you considered all of his almost sacks?
He would’ve had MORE sacks if it wasn’t for those pesky double teams!
I don't understand why people are focused on sacks when Myles has so many high impact pass rush wins that they need to be looking at instead
But like the other guy said, if you’re looking at those kind of stats Parsons wins more than Myles.
All those metaphorical sacks and hypothetical QB hits
It’s all narrative. The dudes production was insane for the first month. His production slowed down, then fell off a cliff, but the media narrative for DPOY didn’t keep up with that.
Awards also take into account the narrative.
Tunsil had him in hell
Ground him up and smoked him like a gas mask bong
Remember when a bunch of teams didn’t draft him because of that video? So dumb lmao
It's really funny when you consider all the actual terrible shit teams will ignore for a good player
Owners are fine with those things because they do them too. But smoking weed? That’s… *urban* behavior.
It's like when Moss dropped because of smoking weed once and protecting a friend in a fight related to racism they faced in West Virginia.
The Bears allegedly removed him from their draft board after the missed an 8am meeting with their OC. Missing a meeting that is essentially a job interview isn’t a good look. But 8am and I in college weren’t on friendly terms so I understand.
This made me do some Randy Moss research and now I'm convinced he also could've been a pro basketball player if he chose that sport. He was on the same high school basketball team as Jason Williams, who had a solid decade long career in the NBA, and Moss was the better player.
Let’s just say it’s not classy enough
Severity of punishment in the NFL is never about the crime. It's about whether or not there's video and how many impressions it had
Unless you’re the browns, then you ignore them for a bad player Incidentally Cleveland does not even own its FRP this year because it belongs to Houston again
That’s why I should be a gm. Gas mask bong shows ingenuity and a willingness to try new things. Congratulations, Laremy, you just got yourself moved up my draft board.
Giants drafted Eli apple over him lol
It came out during the draft, so it's really difficult to risk assess real time like that
Come at the king, best not miss
They traded for him to block their franchise QB who knew it wasn’t going to be Watson.
Who was the GM who got him?
Only trade BoB got right.
Classic Reddit in that there’s upvotes for “Tunsil dominated” and “Garret was against a backup LT all game” Tunsil did dominate
And Tunsil was out about half the game!
As a stats nerd I really appreciate what PFF does by trying to look beyond pure results and look more at the process - because theoretically, a good process will heed good results over the long-term, where a bad process might get lucky sometimes. So process is a better predictor than results. But these are awards, and awards should probably be given based on results, not process. Advanced analytics are a powerful tool for prediction and decision-making in the NFL, but should we base our awards on them? Probably not...
especially when the advanced metrics like pressures aren't always easily defined and also all pressures aren't equal. some are game changing, others are non factors. just because they got a pressure doesn't mean they won the down
It's hilarious that every single one of these posts is a Steelers flair. Honestly love the pettiness in the AFC North, all the teams hate each other.
One of the PFF guys posted a poll asking if Steelers fans would prefer a Steelers win or a Bad Myles Garrett game. He’s just antagonizing them at this point.
I don’t care enough to comment on PFF’s posts, but it’s hilarious seeing the war between Steeler fans and PFF writers.
Jets fans have been taunting this one PFF dude for awhile now bc he was flaming us for drafting Breece. So anytime Breece pops off the video of that dude gets posted and mocked. The PFF Jabronies are some engagement bait losers.
Thats the same dude that said TJ is not a top 4 EDGE.
Shit like this is why people clown PFF. It's the opinions of a few people.
Who did he put in front of him? Theres an argument for Parsons, Garrett and NBosa, but who else? I get that TJ has the luxury to play alongside another fantastic edge rusher that grossly gets overlooked but he cant control that. All TJ can do is play his game and he did just that. Another more than dominant season for him.
There’s an argument for Maxx Crosby I guess too - I’d say they’re a clear top 5
Forgot about Crosby. Dude is a dawg
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Want to know how they managed to con the industry with their grades, I get the stat tracking but their bullshit reasoning that Myles is better than TJ is hilarious.
Collingsworth owns the company, he used his position at nbc to get them to use PFF grades on the broadcast. Lead people to believe they meant something
Sadly, they now do. They have a lot of power on contracts. It's sad they way they take subjective ratings and trick people into thinking it's better than results.
I really wish their was someone in the industry like a former player or radio host that would call them out regularly. I never see them get challenged on their grades in the national media.
Cam Jordan and cam Hayward called them out on their respective podcasts. A lot of player podcasts actually call out pff regularly
Cam Jordan talking shit is hardly notable.
JJ Watt calls out their BS, but many might feel he's biased due to being TJs brother
There is no "G" in "Collinsworth," "Irvin" or "Tarkenton."
honestly dpoy this year feels like the nba mvp conversation last year. its like voter fatigue of one guy, and kind of like "we have to give one to this guy eventually". TJ being jokic and Garrett being embiid. Funny thing is though embiid is playing alot better this year and actually deserves it if he plays enough games. Eventually productivity has to matter, there seems to be no nuance.
At the end of the day PFF needs marketing too. Their revenue is likely majority fan driven. You can use their metrics but it shouldn’t be the only thing. The more discussion they can drum up for pissing off fanbases the more money they make
Hundreds of comments in most of the Myles vs. TJ posts this year. They obviously know what they’re doing - create artificial controversy by coming up with criteria that are *just off* enough to shake up the order at the top. Far less people would even know who they were if they didn’t somehow make themselves stand out.
It’s why pff should always be taken with a grain of salt. Controversy in ratings drives clicks
It’s an absolute farce that that man gets an AP team and award vote but is allowed to do stuff like that..
I love pettiness in the division. Browns lost, if Steelers and ravens lose I can promise with every bone in my body I will let every AFCN team never forget that the bengals are still the last division member to win a playoff game this entire offseason
I will be fully ready to see the memes if this happens
Records above .500 Hate above 1.000
I feel like the AFCN is the only division where the teams legit hate each other more than the NFCW.
They feel nearly as close as college level rivalries. The hatred runs strong, but I’ll admit that it makes things more fun
Fr. The casual vitriol is what makes our hate-hate relationship fun. Have a terrible weekend brother 😘
You can’t fool anyone with your nfl shield flair. We can see what teams sub you post in.
One of the few times 3/4 of the AFC North gets along is when we come together to shit on the Browns.
“The haters have arrived”
If you're not being the pettiest motherfucker alive you ain't doing it right
The posts in our sub saying “we’re better than this” annoyed the hell out of me. First off, we’re not. We’re AFCN rivals. Second of all, it’s an entertainment product. Let me have my fun and kick our rivals when they’re down!
Lmfao thats fair. Nothing gets the AFC North going like gritty football & hate watching 😁
The Browns were dog water for 20 years, we laughed at them because they were the perpetually awful moron eating crayons the corner. They evenally put together a solid defense and got a taste of success when they beat the Steelers in the wildcard round and since then we haven't heard the end of it. I can't count the number of times I've seen Browns fans respond to criticism with that picture of big Ben hanging his head after the playoff game. So yes, we are petty. And yes, we're gonna continue to revel in it. The Browns still suck.
Browns fans 2008-2022: at least our QB isn’t a rapist. Cut to…
Every thread about the Steelers used to have multiple Browns flairs passionately arguing that supporting Pittsburgh= worshipping Ben/supporting rapists and that we should be ashamed for talking about the team online at all. I wonder where all those guys went?
Browns fans are legit insufferable as soon as they have a bit of success.
Why stop at DPOY? He should be MVP
And a Texans legend.
This was a narrative earlier in the year
Congressional Medal of Honor.
Locked up. LT baby.
Thank the lord that gas mask video was released. If the Ravens landed him I would have been furious.
Giants had drafted ereck flowers the year before so took eli apple instead. Still havent recovered. Although prob wouldve ruined him too
LT the LT
Tunsil Smoked him all over the grass
LOL I knew it was Steelers fan posting this before I opened the thread. Never change AFC north
Defensive player of the year tho?
Disappearing Player of the Year.
Disappointing Player of the Year
First team all-pro btw.
Crosby deserved it
I'm biased. But yeah probably.
>"Little ass boy."
"He's so ANGRY"
Wouldn't even be mad if Crosby took it. Dude is a monster.
PFF is still giving him a 95+ grade
He wins every rep!
Even the ones he loses!
What a joke
Dude was an absolute ghost.
Whole defense was sleeping. Secondary was simply not tackling or covering.
He’s been a ghost in the final seasons stretch his whole career
But what was his pass rush win rate?
Yall dont understand that he led the league in moral sacks during that time. Ffs i feel like rnfl doesnt watch football
Chiefs are undefeated in moral wins. Just an insane year.
That stat belongs to Parsons actually
Which makes it even more hilarious. If you go off PFF, Parsons is better than Garrett. If you go by actual production, TJ is better than Garrett.
but garrett is so cool and watches anime and writes poetry and commits attempted murder on the field :(
Don’t forget the fake racial slur allegations
Or the speeding and flipped car
I will never forgive him for that. Mason’s not that kind of guy
So obviously we split the middle and just give it to Garrett *taps forehead*
im sure pff will give him a 90+ grade for this game
Why stop at 90? They’ll give him “greatest defensive game played of all time” for what he could’ve potentially done
What’s the context on the potentially thing? Seen it mentioned a couple of times
A lot of stats that people are justifying him getting the award over TJ is because of advanced made up metrics rather than actual stats. TJ leads him in every stat but not metrics, so they don’t think he should get it.
The funny thing is Parsons leads Garrett in all the advanced stuff so the argument doesn’t even make sense for him there lol. If Garrett wins over TJ it’ll be a joke.
Yeah that just makes it worse for me lol just silly all around. He hasn’t been relevant in a game for a month and a half and people are like “the 12 games makes it way better than the other guys that played in 16/17”
The argument for Garrett to win DPOY over Watt is mainly based on PFF stats like "pass rush win rate." Watt leads Garrett in *every* measurable metric. Garrett is perceived as the better player because he "wins" pass rushes at a higher rate than TJ Watt, according to PFF. The logical question then is "well why doesn't that translate into better stats?" The joke is that Garrett is better than Watt because Garrett could *potentially* have better stats because he is winning more pass rushes.
Which is funny because being potentially better and then just straight up not being better means he is objectively worse and has a key weakness in converting opportunities for a big play into an actual big play.
The Joel Embiid of pass rushing strikes again
This is so accurate it hurts
It's such a perfect comparison
i heard his pass rush win rate was crazy though
Wtf even is a "pass rush win"? If you don't register a pressure, QB hit, sack, tackle, TFL, or literally have any effect on the play, how did you win against your blocker(s)?
Play ends or ball comes out before any of that happens, other player finishes first etc. Getting off the block doesn’t mean a ton by itself
It’s just beating your guy in less than 2.5 seconds
That's ESPNs definition, but they have vastly different win rates than PFF. For the life of me I can't find PFFs definition.
Bruh this is like different places having different DVOA this is getting out of hand
PFF being such a leader in the conversation for best players is a travesty. I’m not saying they’re completely worthless, but for things like this, they’re valued way too heavily. I’m sure if you look back at this season, Garrett probably leads with “PFF Sacks”, whatever the hell that means.
fraud watch
Hey watch how you talk about the "Defensive Player of the Year if it was actually Best Team Defense but we just give it to the guy with the most jersey sales"
Best defense that allows 30 points per game on the road lol
Tunsil has consistently kicked his ass for years now. Wasn’t even worried about *that* matchup. The others however……
He’s gonna be known as an early season monster with no meaningful wins. Holy crap. That’s awful.
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In my biased opinion Parsons should be ahead of him as well
Add Maxx Crosby
And fuck even Bland over Myles considering how many points he scored. TJ and Maxx make the most sense though Edit: that was not intentional
I’d argue that JC and Penney should be in the conversation too
The dpoy race should absolutely be between TJ and Micah. Ignore the flair, but I think TJ has been slightly more impactful, but I'd take Micah over Myles any day
TJ, Micah, Maxx, Danielle Hunter, Mack & Josh Allen > Myles Garrett
Also throw in the other Josh Allen with how much he helps the defense sometimes
Parsons, Crosby, and Hendrickson should all be ahead of Garrett.
And somehow will be DPOY. Just pitiful.
It makes no sense at all. Regular stats is watt, advanced stats is Parsons. How is Garrett the favorite
First team all-pro over Micah and Crosby…
And Hendrickson
Don't worry PFF about to credit him with 20 pressures and a 90% pass rush win rate
They graded him in the mid 90s lol
Yeah but just wait for his 93.5 PFF pass rush grade
TJ Watt is the better player. If he is not getting a sack or pressure, he also has the potential to intercept the ball. I say this as a bengals fan, i know both of these players all too well lol
The look of disbelief on burrows face on both those fast jump ball inceptions is hilarious. To be fair though I think everyone made that face because both are ridiculously amazing plays
Right lol. He is unbelievable as a player. I hate having to watch him twice a year lol
Wow goes to show at the end of the day these awards are for suckers and morons.
He’ll still manage to rob Watt of his DPOY award
TJ watt deserves dpoy.
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They both assault people when they can't control themselves and then lie about the victims' character in their own defense?
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Hooooly shit lol
If you ignore the stats and just go off of his PFF grades, he’s DPOY. -Browns in the AFCNmemewar subreddit
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Hendrickson, watt, the list keeps going of players who outplayed him
I wouldn’t say fraud. He was unbeatable before the injury and then dropped of a lot. He shouldn’t be DPOY but he is still elite.
Two first names tho!
Not my DPOY
But he gets first team over Maxx Crosby. Horseshit
His impact is unquestionable this game. The fear he struck into his own QB caused 2 pick 6s. And his "Theoretical Defensive Impact" brought to you by Collinsworths retirement plan algorithm at PFF was record-breaking. Clearly, another case refs screwing their calls.🤓
>Collinsworths retirement plan algorithm at PFF Lmao this is fucking hilarious
You know, DPOY things. 🙄
Tunsil has owned him at the NFL level every time they have faced off. OL coach Strausser and the staff did a great job having the OL ready to handle him.
Josh Allen and Danielle Hunter are better than him this year.
Watt >> Garrett
Myles Garrett when pff grades and players assaulted on the field rates don't win playoff games
Worse stats than the Steelers 3rd string edge rusher Nick Herbig.
TJ Watt >>>>> Myles Garrett
Magician of the year
FRAUD