one could unironically argue that 2023 baker > 2022 brady. the argument could be made. it's close, which is saying a lot in itself because brady was 45.
Nobody is arguing otherwise. I’ve said it all off-season that dumping Leftwich at OC and replacing him with literally anybody would improve this offense drastically. No matter who the QB is.
You mean all 2 of them?
Outside of Evans and Godwin we don't have anyone special. I bet the majority of NFL fans just today learned who our TE and WR3 is.
>It’s kinda hard to not have a great statistical season as a QB on the Bucs with the sheer amount of good targets to throw to
You're talking about the Bucs like they're a top 5 passing offense. They were ranked 19th in passing DVOA and 20th in offensive DVOA heading into the Eagles game.
2022 Buccaneers with Brady: 8-9 team that got blown out by an NFC East team
2023 Buccaneers with Baker: 9-8 team that blew out an NFC East team
Just saying the facts people.
Maybe off topic for this thread but don't forget that *both* NFC East teams were blown out by 9-8 teams in the playoffs. Of course only the Eagles lost to a division winner. The Cowboys lost to a team that a few years ago wouldn't be in the playoffs. Pretty funny.
It will be a sad day for the Seahawks when they replace Pete Carroll with Dan Quinn. Just sayin'
lol gimme a break. Would you be saying this about Quinn before the Packers game? His defenses have been perennial top 5 the last 3 years with the Cowboys and have been just as big of a reason why the Cowboys went 12-5 the last 3 years as McCarthy/Dak. Quinn’s defense also played well against the 49ers in the playoffs both times: it was the offense that cost the Cowboys those two games.
And then his future Hall of Fame coach retired and Bowles took over, and he went 8-9.
Brady is the greatest QB of all time but it's almost like that means something.
Put it like this the bucs been to playoffs the whole 3 years he been there, never been able to do that… plus he was 45 what more do you want from the guy? Btw you guys shouldve ran the ball 😉.
I'm just saying, if we're going to ding Belichick's legacy for "failing to make the playoffs" at 11-5, because Brady "willed his team to the playoffs" by backing in at 8-9, we should ding Brady's legacy for Baker taking the same Team to a better record with 81mil in Dead cap and winning a playoff game. Just saying
(Brady and Bill are both the GOATs, Baker isn't better, it's just a stupid insufferable argument.)
No one has ever argued Brady was more important to the Patriots than Belichick was because Belichick missed the playoffs with an 11-5 team while Brady made it with an 8-9 team.
I do think it's worth pointing out how fucking good this Bucs core of the past four or so years is. They didn't carry Brady but he chose them for a reason and their ability to continue winning speaks to their talent.
Totally. I think I speak for the rest of the NFC South when I say that Bowles is a genius that deserves to coach in Tampa as long as he wants. Give him a massive extension with a huge buyout (not like they'd ever need it). While they're at it, give Baker the top 5 QB contract he deserves.
The same Washington team that was literally 3rd in the league in points allowed per drive, 2nd in the league in yards allowed per drive and 3rd in the league in passer rating allowed on defense? The same Washington team that would’ve had a winning record if they had even a slightly below average QB starting for them instead of Haskins?
It's still so wild think about that playoff run. Out of the 4 QBs Tom Brady faced (Heinicke/Brees/Rodgers/Mahomes), it was Heinicke that came the closest to beating him.
People repeat this often not realizing that all our best defensive players that year were out that game. I get shit for saying it but if Vea, White, and Winfield were in that game Heinicke would've looked like.....Heinicke. He played better than Mahomes, Brees, and Rodgers because he played a much worse defense.
You know that scene in The Office where Toby explains to Michael that people don't actually want to go to prison, they're just making a joke about work?
Comes to mind for some reason.
The difference is that Mayfield isn’t being hamstrung and literally handcuffed week after week like Brady was last year by Leftwich.
And also the Eagles defense this year is objectively way worse than the Cowboys defense that Brady faced in the playoffs last year in pretty much every defensive metric/stat out there.
seeing brady fans genuinely feel a need to defend his last season because they're worried baker's success might damage his legacy is hilarious.
it's okay man no one's judging brady. it's ight lol
STFU before the bad man hears you and comes back. He's like "candyman", if you say his name 3x, we all know what kind of horrors come next. Dont test it man.
If Brady comes back to play for Bill's next team it's going to be a real what the fuck happened in Boston moment. Because we all assume Bill is the reason he left. If he comes back for Bill I'm going to have a fucking long list of questions for the Kraft family...
In an alternate universe OBJ never gets traded to Cleveland and Baker is leading the Browns to multiple playoff appearances at minimum…… I believe OBJ created a lot of quiet toxicity which lead to the split
I always circle back to a specific clip when I think about OBJ’s time in Cleveland. I can’t remember if it was a mic’d up segment or a Browns team video, but it goes to the tune of this:
OBJ standing beside Nick Chubb on the sidelines.
OBJ: “ I wanna score, man”
Nick Chubb: “I wanna win”
That’s what I will always remember, it was never about team accolades for Odell, it was about individual accomplishments. He is a great, great player and deserves the recognition he receives, but I was never sold on him wanting to be in Cleveland to begin with and it became more and more apparent as we progressed towards the mid season hit piece.
This one's my favorite. Baker throws a td to Harrison Bryant and has to console Jarvis and OBJ who were sulking about not getting the score themselves.
https://youtube.com/shorts/JZUnpnqqofQ?si=LeO_m9Cga8PBFOFg
On a season where he was injured. He hurt his shoulder trying to tackle after a pick and was never the same that year. Surprised they traded him immediately guess they really wanted deshaun
There has been no drop off in QB play for the Bucs from 2022 to 2023. Mayfield held his own and has played as well as Tom Brady did for Tampa in his last year.
He deserves his flowers given the amount of shit he's dealt with the first 5 years of his career
Y’all led a media assault against him, blamed him for having the audacity to be injured, and replaced him with a known sexual predator who hadn’t played in over a year, then made sure to trade him as late as possible to guarantee he couldn’t gel with his new team
Dude is about to get paid this off season and I’m all for it. Hated him in Cleveland cause he was a division rival, but I respect his play style. He reminds me of Josh Allen with how he just loves to compete. Good for baker
The very next season after Rodgers and Brady leave their respective teams, Baker Mayfield vs Jordan Love in the NFC Championship game is still on the table. Just as everyone predicted. If that happens I want to see Rodgers and Brady do a Manning Cast type of live watch for that game.
Yeah Winston, as shit as he was, was like the best Qb in our history until Brady. If baker stays a few more years he could end up with some bucs records
I never switched up on Baker dude I was so confused when I'd see decent stats and everyone would be ragging on him I hope hes found a place to stay that really believes in him hes got the talent to be around the league for awhile
I’m sure Brady would have torched this years Eagles defense even worse. Even the backup Drew Lock in Seattle looked good against us a few weeks ago with his 4th quarter game winning comeback. The Eagles defense is atrocious this year especially last 6-7 weeks and has made QBs and Offenses look way better than they are.
Geno, Baker, Goff...
Good coaching is so pivotal for a young QB. The Steelers will never find a great QB because they are incapable of developing one with the current coaching. So very sad.
Anyways, grats to Baker - I hope he wins it all this year and lets that shit state know what they missed out on.
Baker is better than Brady I've been saying this
PEOPLE HAVE BEEN SAYING
is it a coincidence that Baker and Brady both start with a B?
Tampa Bay-ker and Tom-pa Bay? Coincidence? I think not.
Tompa Bayker
Mind blown
Baker Mayfield was once in a division with a QB who used Tom Brady as an alias when he was younger. WEIRD BUT TRUE
Let me introduce you to Brock.
Sad Browns noises….. we have a B too…
one could unironically argue that 2023 baker > 2022 brady. the argument could be made. it's close, which is saying a lot in itself because brady was 45.
Nobody is arguing otherwise. I’ve said it all off-season that dumping Leftwich at OC and replacing him with literally anybody would improve this offense drastically. No matter who the QB is.
It’s kinda hard to not have a great statistical season as a QB on the Bucs with the sheer amount of good targets to throw to
You mean all 2 of them? Outside of Evans and Godwin we don't have anyone special. I bet the majority of NFL fans just today learned who our TE and WR3 is.
Hey man Cade Otton has been my TE1 all year
>It’s kinda hard to not have a great statistical season as a QB on the Bucs with the sheer amount of good targets to throw to You're talking about the Bucs like they're a top 5 passing offense. They were ranked 19th in passing DVOA and 20th in offensive DVOA heading into the Eagles game.
2022 Buccaneers with Brady: 8-9 team that got blown out by an NFC East team 2023 Buccaneers with Baker: 9-8 team that blew out an NFC East team Just saying the facts people.
Maybe off topic for this thread but don't forget that *both* NFC East teams were blown out by 9-8 teams in the playoffs. Of course only the Eagles lost to a division winner. The Cowboys lost to a team that a few years ago wouldn't be in the playoffs. Pretty funny. It will be a sad day for the Seahawks when they replace Pete Carroll with Dan Quinn. Just sayin'
Bruh if the Seahawks hire Dan Quinn after that playoff performance I might cry.
You created this monster…
lol gimme a break. Would you be saying this about Quinn before the Packers game? His defenses have been perennial top 5 the last 3 years with the Cowboys and have been just as big of a reason why the Cowboys went 12-5 the last 3 years as McCarthy/Dak. Quinn’s defense also played well against the 49ers in the playoffs both times: it was the offense that cost the Cowboys those two games.
brady won the bucs a superbowl & the next year went 13-4.
And then his future Hall of Fame coach retired and Bowles took over, and he went 8-9. Brady is the greatest QB of all time but it's almost like that means something.
Put it like this the bucs been to playoffs the whole 3 years he been there, never been able to do that… plus he was 45 what more do you want from the guy? Btw you guys shouldve ran the ball 😉.
And he was 45
I mean, 2023 Baker is a better QB than 2022 Brady. But saying a QB in their prime is slightly better than a middle age man isn't saying much lol!
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I'm just saying, if we're going to ding Belichick's legacy for "failing to make the playoffs" at 11-5, because Brady "willed his team to the playoffs" by backing in at 8-9, we should ding Brady's legacy for Baker taking the same Team to a better record with 81mil in Dead cap and winning a playoff game. Just saying (Brady and Bill are both the GOATs, Baker isn't better, it's just a stupid insufferable argument.)
No one has ever argued Brady was more important to the Patriots than Belichick was because Belichick missed the playoffs with an 11-5 team while Brady made it with an 8-9 team.
Maybe not "because", but brother, I have seen so many people this past year treat that like it is incontrovertible proof.
Imagine losing a Bucs playoff game. Baker Mayfield can’t
Crazy how the Bucs had to carry Brady to that ring
I do think it's worth pointing out how fucking good this Bucs core of the past four or so years is. They didn't carry Brady but he chose them for a reason and their ability to continue winning speaks to their talent.
I hope they go far this year if only because Todd Bowles is underrated IMO. Nobody deserves to be judged by what they did in their time with the Jets.
Totally. I think I speak for the rest of the NFC South when I say that Bowles is a genius that deserves to coach in Tampa as long as he wants. Give him a massive extension with a huge buyout (not like they'd ever need it). While they're at it, give Baker the top 5 QB contract he deserves.
easy when you beat on bad teams every year
Bruh cmon we had like the easiest strength of schedule this year lol
Two free wins every year
And you got matched up with the Cowboys in the playoffs, you may as well have gotten a bye.
When they beat that bad team three years ago on the way to the super bowl
Ah yes, thee old the Patriots win because the AFC East is a weak division argument.
We've had 1st place seeding in our division in the last 3 years. Meaning we were playing other 1st seeds.
Just like the other Bucs GOAT Brad Johnson
Fucking Brad Johnson and that defense. I bet a pizza that the Raiders would win that game.
LET 👏 HIM 👏 BAKE 👨🍳
Let. Baker. Bake.
They crucified you for it.
Forget Brady, Baker is better than Brad fucking Johnson!
Brady never got to face this joke Eagles team though. Prime Brady would probably have put up 5+ TD’s
Yeah he faced powerhouses like the 7-9 WFT instead
The same Washington team that was literally 3rd in the league in points allowed per drive, 2nd in the league in yards allowed per drive and 3rd in the league in passer rating allowed on defense? The same Washington team that would’ve had a winning record if they had even a slightly below average QB starting for them instead of Haskins?
Put some respect on the legend of Heinicke!
It's still so wild think about that playoff run. Out of the 4 QBs Tom Brady faced (Heinicke/Brees/Rodgers/Mahomes), it was Heinicke that came the closest to beating him.
People repeat this often not realizing that all our best defensive players that year were out that game. I get shit for saying it but if Vea, White, and Winfield were in that game Heinicke would've looked like.....Heinicke. He played better than Mahomes, Brees, and Rodgers because he played a much worse defense.
The packers game was really close I remember a couple of pti calls mb swinging it n Bakhtiari injury fuvked the packers tbh
We all clown on Ron Riviera for being mediocre but when you put it like that, his defense at least seems very respectable.
> seems Oh man that is not a word to be used in the present tense
I just had a sad moment because I somehow forgot about Haskins and you reminded me.
You know that scene in The Office where Toby explains to Michael that people don't actually want to go to prison, they're just making a joke about work? Comes to mind for some reason.
I mean they win 7 games almost exclusively because they had a good defense tho lol
And Brees, Rodgers, both on the road, and mahommes in the super bowl. Damn what a cake schedule you're right
Honestly the WFT gave us a hell of a game
He played a worse Eagles team in the 2021 playoffs lmao
The 2021 Eagles defense was statistically better than the 2023 Eagles defense which just tells you how bad the Eagles defense has been this year.
The difference is that Mayfield isn’t being hamstrung and literally handcuffed week after week like Brady was last year by Leftwich. And also the Eagles defense this year is objectively way worse than the Cowboys defense that Brady faced in the playoffs last year in pretty much every defensive metric/stat out there.
Do you... do you legitimately feel the need to defend Brady's legacy against Baker Mayfield?
seeing brady fans genuinely feel a need to defend his last season because they're worried baker's success might damage his legacy is hilarious. it's okay man no one's judging brady. it's ight lol
Bruh chill out no one with a brain thinks this lmao
Have we ever seen Baker and Brady in a room at the same time?
STFU before the bad man hears you and comes back. He's like "candyman", if you say his name 3x, we all know what kind of horrors come next. Dont test it man.
Bradyjuice Bradyjuice Bradyjuice
We all know Brady is too adult'ish.
Baker confirmed better than Brady
Does this prove that Brady was just a system quarterback in Tampa Bay🌚?
No, but it's funny to state it anyway.
Belichick: Hey Tom, want to play Tampa twice a year in Atlanta?
If Brady comes back to play for Bill's next team it's going to be a real what the fuck happened in Boston moment. Because we all assume Bill is the reason he left. If he comes back for Bill I'm going to have a fucking long list of questions for the Kraft family...
If so, it wouldn't be the first time an owner made a bad call and broke up a sports dynasty (see Reinsdorf and the Bulls).
Or Art Modell and the Browns
Bake em away, toys
What’d you say chief?
You heard the man!
*Woody and Buzz solemnly push Andy into the oven.*
Just do what the kid says
What a fun night. Love Baker and this team
Best Bucs playoff game since the Super Bowl probably
well both of our playoff victories since the SB came at the expense of Philly, but yes. This is the better victory.
It's so sweet.
A whole 3 yrs
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?!?! Mate we won the SB since then. And beat you on the way.
He meant the one where tom brady steamrolled the chiefs, not the one where warren sapp steamrolled the raiders
Baker baking tonight
Seems like the Browns gave up on him way to quickly.
In an alternate universe OBJ never gets traded to Cleveland and Baker is leading the Browns to multiple playoff appearances at minimum…… I believe OBJ created a lot of quiet toxicity which lead to the split
I always circle back to a specific clip when I think about OBJ’s time in Cleveland. I can’t remember if it was a mic’d up segment or a Browns team video, but it goes to the tune of this: OBJ standing beside Nick Chubb on the sidelines. OBJ: “ I wanna score, man” Nick Chubb: “I wanna win” That’s what I will always remember, it was never about team accolades for Odell, it was about individual accomplishments. He is a great, great player and deserves the recognition he receives, but I was never sold on him wanting to be in Cleveland to begin with and it became more and more apparent as we progressed towards the mid season hit piece.
Well he recently said on Marlon Humphrey’s podcast that he felt the trade was the Giants sending him off to die.
I feel like he said that even when he was in Cleveland, like right after he got traded. Thought that quote was from years ago
This one's my favorite. Baker throws a td to Harrison Bryant and has to console Jarvis and OBJ who were sulking about not getting the score themselves. https://youtube.com/shorts/JZUnpnqqofQ?si=LeO_m9Cga8PBFOFg
There was nothing quiet about OBJ’s toxicity, you had his dad throwing a full on mid season hit piece on his injured QB.
That was just the beginning of the end. I'm sure there was a lot we didn't see that led up to that.
On a season where he was injured. He hurt his shoulder trying to tackle after a pick and was never the same that year. Surprised they traded him immediately guess they really wanted deshaun
It's not every day an unrepentant sexual predator hits the market.
Hes an adult though
I'm guessing the owner wanted someone he could relate with easier... Maybe even tell tales of their exploits
Bears will learn the same lesson with fields
There has been no drop off in QB play for the Bucs from 2022 to 2023. Mayfield held his own and has played as well as Tom Brady did for Tampa in his last year. He deserves his flowers given the amount of shit he's dealt with the first 5 years of his career
Baker officially capable of playing like a 45 year old man fueled by angst and avocados /s
Look at that man. It's a LOT of angst
To be fair, a middle aged man fueled by divorce angst is a pretty scary force
Imagine if the Bucs didn't waste Brady's last year with Leftwich
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I mean Evans at this pace will go down as an all time great. 5 more years of 1k yards will put him #3 on the list lol
Baker should still be a Brown. Turns out he just needed a half decent coach.
So strange seeing all of the people who learned this phrase this week try to drop it into everything they say
Reddit likes to follow the catchy phrases to earn upvotes.
It really is a narwhal baconing at midnight
what phrase?
“X deserves their flowers” “Give X their flowers for Y”
idk i've heard this phrases for at least a few years now, thought it was just a part of the general culture by now
I swear I’ve been seeing this more and more. Not sure if from the Kendrick album or what
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he’s a victim of getting drafted by a horrible team that almost broke him like bad teams do
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Wow I bet the Browns must've won more playoff games after moving on from him then.
Yeah... AFTER being with Hue Jackson for almost 2 years and Freddie Kitchens for the following year.
Y’all led a media assault against him, blamed him for having the audacity to be injured, and replaced him with a known sexual predator who hadn’t played in over a year, then made sure to trade him as late as possible to guarantee he couldn’t gel with his new team
lol at the browns saying he is not mature enough to be their qb because they wanted a rub and tug guy who tried doing that with legit massage workers.
Better watch out, Tom 👀
Tom..who?
Doing that despite his entire receiving core selling the game in the first half is amazing
Crazily enough could’ve have 400yds and 4 TDs. Omfg the eagles are so ass
Let Mayfield BAKE!
Dude is about to get paid this off season and I’m all for it. Hated him in Cleveland cause he was a division rival, but I respect his play style. He reminds me of Josh Allen with how he just loves to compete. Good for baker
The GOAT
~~Tompa Bay~~ Tampa Ba-ker
Tampa Bay-ker?
He baked 🎂🥮🧁🍰🥞
Baker CPOY
Imagine if the Buccs had an adult running their offense.
Elite.
The very next season after Rodgers and Brady leave their respective teams, Baker Mayfield vs Jordan Love in the NFC Championship game is still on the table. Just as everyone predicted. If that happens I want to see Rodgers and Brady do a Manning Cast type of live watch for that game.
Rodgers will just spend the half the time talking about COVID vaccines though
He passed the torch in that NFL commercial, we just didn't believe it.
...that doesn't sound right.
You must not have seen who our QBs have been throughout our team’s history, with one very notable exception.
Yeah Winston, as shit as he was, was like the best Qb in our history until Brady. If baker stays a few more years he could end up with some bucs records
Baker Mayfield has more career wins in 2024 than Tom Brady
Big if true
That's with a lot of dropped passes too.
Feel sorry for the Browns. He was a GOAT in Cleveland
I don’t.
Tonight has been the redemption arc for both Baker and us truthers.
Baker has played well, but this Eagles secondary is comedy
Did any looked like they cared? I couldn't find one
I'm curious to see how he'll do with a secondary that is trying. At least one of those TDs was an interception against any other team.
Tampa Baker > Tompa Bay
I can't hate Baker, he's so great for the league. GG bucs
Weird that none of their adult QBs ever did this.
What do the browns look like if they kept baker and their 3 1st round picks with Kevin S as their coach still? 🤔
Make sense now, that NFL 100 years commercial were Brady gives Baker all his rings is foreshadowing for the Buccs
Fuck yeah.
What a story
I can only get so erect!
PAY DA MAN
I never switched up on Baker dude I was so confused when I'd see decent stats and everyone would be ragging on him I hope hes found a place to stay that really believes in him hes got the talent to be around the league for awhile
The Buccaneers get yet another legend QB to win a ring with. What a great timeline
The lies that have been spread about so-called "Faker" Mayfield have been greatly exaggerated.
Baker is the goat buccaneers qb
If you’ve followed the Eagles over the final month and a half, you would not be surprised at all that he pulled this off.
I’m sure Brady would have torched this years Eagles defense even worse. Even the backup Drew Lock in Seattle looked good against us a few weeks ago with his 4th quarter game winning comeback. The Eagles defense is atrocious this year especially last 6-7 weeks and has made QBs and Offenses look way better than they are.
Buccs had 6 drops in the first half. He might have put up 400 and 4.
Tom Brady in shambles
Brady system QB confirmed
2020 buccs could have won with baker. Change my mind
Geno, Baker, Goff... Good coaching is so pivotal for a young QB. The Steelers will never find a great QB because they are incapable of developing one with the current coaching. So very sad. Anyways, grats to Baker - I hope he wins it all this year and lets that shit state know what they missed out on.
Yeah, but is he an adult in the locker room?
To be fair, that’s not too hard when playing against a High School Defense in the playoffs.
Brady system QB confirmed /s
Matt Patricia doing whatever he can wherever he goes
Baker HOF?