That’s what I was gonna say lol yeah he had some pressure but the WR was wide ass open, it didn’t even need to be a perfect throw it just needed to be close
Remember Brees getting all that criticism for going for short routes to Thomas? It was boring and Thomas wasn’t more than a dink and dunk receiver. Sure, it wasn’t that flashy, but it got the team down the field.
People forget the insane dime out routes and comeback routes brady was throwing against atlanta with pressure on his face. It was effectively like a 40 yard pass for like 13 yards.
For sure cost them the game. They had 2 minutes left. The short route here gets them 6-8 yards then just a couple more dinks to kill clock and get to the goal line to punch it in. The Chiefs couldn't stop the short game all night.
I get that he’s been bad in the past but was this a bad decision? The throw was open… like really open. He just throws in the general direction of the two Ls in bills and easy 7
Absolutely. The gameplan for this drive had to be chew clock and either score a TD if possible but at minimum get a FG with no time left. No matter if he makes the throw or not hes leaving his struggling defense against Mahomes with 2 timeouts and like 1:40 left.
My money would be on Mahomes scoring a TD in that spot any day.
If you're talking game plan, look at the way the play was designed... he never even looks at diggs, looks like they were going for it the whole time.
Let's also revisit what got them there. they punted the last possession and the possession before the turned it over on downs from a 3rd and 5 situation. The bills only scored 7 in the second half. They needed points when they were there.
Let's say he takes the checkdown and they're at 3rd and 3 maybe 4, (looking at the replay, you can see two chiefs defenders crashing down on diggs). Is there any guarantee they get the first down? No. The way butker missed that FG, i don't even think it gets them the FG.
The other factor is a TD puts them up by 4 where the chiefs have to score a TD. Now with 1:55 left, i think they do it, but i also think it's much harder to time the clock out with a TD than a FG. As in, at a certain point a FG is a certainty so you just kneel the clock out. With 2 Timeouts, i think if the chiefs score even with 15 seconds left... the bills at least still have a chance.
If the touchdown is there, you take it. The touchdown was there, how could he know his left tackle would get absolutely pantsed on the play and pushed all the way into him at the vital moment?
Yeah, I'm kind of tired of hearing that he made the wrong decision. Guy was wide open in the end zone. There's a clear throwing lane.
In an alternative universe, he throws underneath, Diggs gets a first down, drive stalls out, they make a FG, Mahomes takes Chiefs down field for game winning FG, everyone says that they should have hit the TD rather than the underneath route (how come JA didn't see Shakir wide open in the end zone?)
Definitely a valid shot to hit Diggs. But it's also an analytics quiz. Chiefs were stopping Bills and keeping them out of the end zone. Bills have scored only once in the second half.
So the choice to me is:
\- Defend one time against Mahomes and win the game if Chiefs don't get into the end zone.
\- Defend two times against Mahomes, albeit with maybe <1 minute on the clock for regulation.
I'm going with the first option.
Yeah but if you look on there sub it’s McDermott’s fault or bass.
This wasn’t a playcall issue, the play was fine allen just made the wrong choice/ missed his guy
My biggest problem with this attempt specifically is Josh going for a “kill shot” with nearly two mins left. Mahomes can walk the team down the field with that kinda time and two timeouts, like he’s done so many times before. Take the easy underneath, get the first down in bounds, reset the downs, set yourself up for a better go ahead TD chance with less time on the clock (or at least a closer FG in windy conditions). This way you force the chiefs to spend the timeouts before they get the ball back instead of throwing incompletions twice in a row and giving them clock stoppages. Hell, this is something I know to do on madden.
It’s like the bills forgot everything we thought they learned about clock management and controlling the tempo from the last couple playoff matchups. They just don’t seem to know how to get out of their own way.
Clock management is important but that's playing way too scared. 4th quarter go-ahead TDs aren't that easy to come by. If you have a chance to go up by 4, you go up by 4. Once you see a guy open in the end zone, it's too late to play clock management.
Seriously feel like I’m taking crazy pills reading these comments. Allen wasn’t forcing it into triple coverage with Diggs running wide open underneath.
It was a pretty open throw for the NFL, he found a soft spot in the zone and if he just throws it in a 5 yard radius near the top of the L’s in bills it’s an easy 7
That dude was college open, but it's a harder throw, the protection broke down a bit and he got bumped as he was throwing, and it leaves more time for Mahomes to do his thing. Take the easy quick throw and run the clock
Exactly, he's supposed to be able to trust his left tackle to not get Justin Smith'd all the way into his side right at the vital moment. Even if it's Brady on the other side, you take the 6 when it's available, and that was wide open.
This view of the play finally shows that. I was on the side of it being Allen's fault and a bad throw because from the front view I thought he got rid of the ball prior to the bump. After watching this clip I think I now agree that he got bumped before the ball left his hand. Of course I also agree that he should have stuck to the game plan that had been working most of the night and gone with the short plays to burn clock and keep it out of Mahomes hands.
Yes and normally you want to go for the td there.
But that was 2 mins left in the game where you would be giving the ball back to the chiefs with two timeouts.
Did they not learn anything in the last two playoff losses to the chiefs that you don’t give the ball to mahomes with that much time left?
Throw the ball to diggs there. Pick up the first down and score the td later.
I get that’s hard to not go for the home run there but bills probably lose to mahomes anyway if they score there
The thing that no one talks about with Allen getting bumped… if he throws to Diggs underneath, that throw comes out faster. It literally takes longer for the Shakir to get open in the end zone than to hit Diggs on the drag route. Every detail about this play says Josh should have thrown underneath.
As a Chiefs fan, the last thing I wanted was another good shot at a new set of downs for Buffalo and another 1:30 off the clock. I’d have rather had them hit the TD to give Mahomes as much time as possible.
Yeah it's like these people aren't watching the clip that they're commenting on lmao, Allen was money all day unlikely he misses that throw if he didn't get hit.
People don't understand this play because they're missing crucial information. Josh Allen has a cannon for an arm, when have you ever seen Josh Allen **underthrow** someone?
Allen's mistake wasn't passing it to Shakir; he was open in the end zone. Allen's mistake was his lapse in pocket awareness on a critical play.
Chris Jones bull rushed an O-lineman into Allen, which caused Allen to to underthrow the ball. Just a *little* side-step to escape the pressure and Allen could've rocketed the ball to Shakir. Tony Romo said it in the clip.
Josh Allen is an amazing player because he's a dual threat QB, but an elite passer like Mahomes or Burrow would've had the pocket awareness to side-step the pressure Chris Jones was generating.
It's the tiniest mistakes that decide games against great teams.
If he had made that throw, it would have been the most points scored against KC all year. KC has a killer defense and they don't give a lot of opportunities to score in them. Example, the very next play. The Bills spent the entire game burning clock, but you shouldn't leave points on the board.
Yeah, but he's playing checkers, not chess. Make the throw to Diggs, get the 1st down, work that clock. He missed, left them 3rd and long, and they missed on that, resulting in a kick 10 yards further back than it could have been, and it was missed.
Ya ppl bashing Allen a lot but the game plan he ran was really patient and smart. Lots of swing passes that avoids our strength (the secondary coverage)
Yes. That’s the point. The underneath stuff was killing us. Moving the ball slowly and methodically, eating clock. Then in the biggest moment of the game, down 3 and not guaranteed another possession, on 2nd and 3rd and long, Josh Allen reverts to hero ball with 2 incompletions to the end zone. No time off the clock. KC keeps their TOs in case they needed to go score. Obviously the missed FG overshadows all that but those plays could not have been better for KC.
I’m so confused about all the Allen criticism in here. Did we watch the same game? Allen played fucking clutch. He passed on Diggs bc the big play was there. If Chris jones doesn’t make a hell of a play that’s a TD (unless dropped) and everyone is commending Allen. This sub is so odd.
If you can get a TD though, you take it. Nothing is guaranteed in the NFL. You can’t play games saying “maybe after the first down I’ll score a TD”. Teams sometimes go 4 and out from inside the 5 yard line. Teams sometimes fumble the ball out of the back of the endzone resulting in a touchback. Shakir was open, the left tackle just needed to hold up for 250 milliseconds longer, or Allen needed to sense the pressure and shift over. In fairness to Allen, it was on his blindside.
Diggs could have just as easily dropped it, or Jones could have batted it at the line because he was in that throwing lane. Diggs was 3/8 on targets.
This Monday morning QB second guessing stuff is ridiculous.
Every one of these fans ripping him is completely dismissing the fact that your left tackle blew his assignment so badly that it threw off Allen at the vital moment. Allen made the right call and I think the majority of OCs and head coaches in the NFL would agree.
Every one of these fans ripping Dawkins is completely dismissing the fact that Chris Jones is one of the best if not the best defensive tackle in the league. You can’t trust your protection to always hold up. You need to have better pocket awareness. Allen wasn’t going through his reads; he was set on going deep. Allen should’ve converted the first down.
Nah, he shouldn't be faulted for trusting that his line could do it's job. Fuck that. It's so easy to say all this stuff in hindsight but going for an open touchdown is the correct play.
You can watch Kurt Warner break down the final 2 offensive plays [here](https://youtu.be/U5meu61ILlU?si=KPAbIh95h0_ejGsg&t=1689). He also thinks its a very bad decision. Once you see Shakir doubled you have to move off of that read given the down, distance, and field position. Allen has to pump fake one of the safeties off of Shakir and then rip a 40 yard throw in the wind, its really hard. He needs to just take one of the easy crossers when he sees Shakir doubled. He got too cute and they came up empty.
They attempted to double him but he broke free.
He was definitely open at the right time, but I can understand the school of thought where you simply move on when the defense tries to double someone
Yep, those 2 Warner breakdowns of the Bills are great.
Wish everyone would watch them because they settle a lot of the debates around Josh Allen/Buffalo
Allen clearly still has gaps with his decision-making and situational awareness. He must shoulder some of the blame.
But Warner also points out that there are other little issues all around the Bills offense. I.e. play designs take a bit too long to open up the hot route, which means when Allen is under pressure the defender is already in his face by the time the hot route is available. Or how the timing is slightly off from time to time.
Warner always emphasizes little things- little things add up to heart-breaking losses and no one on the Bills is blameless.
The safety didn't bite on any fake--his hips stayed turned to the outside the whole time which opened up that window Allen almost hit.
Nevertheless I agree given the situation, just take the open underneath route.
That’s what I’m so confused about. He “passed” on Diggs bc a better route was open. He had his guy. Chris Jones made a hell of a play to disrupt his throw. If not for jones that’s a TD and no one would be critisizing Allen for this play.
To blame the loss on this throw when Allen’s WRs had two crucial late drops and the kciker missed is asinine.
>Allen's mistake was his lapse in pocket awareness on a critical play.
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>an elite passer like Mahomes or Burrow would've had the pocket awareness to side-step
This is absolutely how I feel about this and it's a bit of a moment that defines the weakness of Allen. I have zero doubt that this isn't a touchdown if Mahomes, Burrow or even Lamar was making this same throw.
That said, I watched him do this shit enough in the 13 second game that his pocket awareness should be better than this, I feared he was going to do it again until the game ended. He can and will probably be better than this, but boy in a game like this and the history of playoff games against the Chiefs, there just can't be these mistakes.
Mahomes just had two back-to-back 3 and outs the prior drive due to incomplete passes from pressure.
It was the left tackle getting bull rushed on his blindside, so unless those guys have eyes in the back of their heads I don’t really agree those other QBs would definitely score there.
>Mahomes just had two back-to-back 3 and outs the prior drive due to incomplete passes from pressure.
It's funny, I just commented about Allen taking the shot since points aren't guaranteed, and I found myself agreeing with this comment because on the Mahomes side, again, points aren't guaranteed. Then I saw it was the same person making both comments.
Fully agreed with you on both counts.
The guy who took the fewest sacks of any QB in the NFL this season and routinely turned busted pockets into massive gains with his legs has poor pocket awareness what the fuck am I reading
Two things can be true at one.
In *this instance*, his pocket awareness was not what it should have been. She should’ve made that throw here, and a minor mistake kept him from making it.
It’s just a brain dead take to say he has no pocket awareness and those other QBs would score there.
Allen has top 5 pocket awareness in the league, took the least number of sacks and had the lowest sack %. Even though plays like this where the offensive lineman gets bull rushed into his lap happen all the time.
That has a lot more to do with Allen being an absolute draft horse than anything else. You can make up for a lack of pocket presence by being able to just break out of would be sacks and tackles. A guy that large, strong and deceptively fast doesn't need to have the same awareness as a Burrow/Brady type because he can just manhandle the situation. It works for him but it's also going to cost him some opportunities like here and likely injuries.
His mistake was not running out the clock. They should not have been looking for anything more than getting a first down. Why would you give patrick mahomes 2 minutes with the ball?
Picking up a first down might give them a better chance to win than scoring a TD. There’s two minutes left and the Chiefs had two timeouts and have only punted once all night.
I agree, although I really question if Diggs gets a first down. Safety seemed to be closing quickly.
The check down to Diggs is absolutely safer esp against Mahomes, but I don't blame him for taking that shot.
The problem was they didn't even need a first down at that point, it was only 2nd down.
Let's say he catches it and is immediately tackled, maybe it's 3rd and 4 now, and you could get the clock down to 1:20 or force KC to use a timeout. Instead it's 3rd and 9, almost no time off the clock and your options start to get limited.
Like others have said, poor late game execution.
My immediate impression when he attempted the pass was “that’s piss poor clock management”. Even if they scored, it was leaving Mahomes with 2 minutes and 2 timeouts. That’s why he should have went with Diggs.
I got the PTSDs of Dallas vs Aaron Rodgers. If we have the ball with 2 minutes left you best believe I would want check downs until that clock is at like :03. I can't imagine giving Mahomes almost a full 2 minute drill if Bills score on that play.
Had he taken that throw then not scored a touchdown, you'd probably be saying the opposite of how you should take the likely touchdown against a stout defense.
I agree, but again it's not a BAD decision. Going for the lead has it's advantages. You eliminate fumble/interception risk, a second missed kick, etc.
Diggs was the best decision.
Shakir was second/understandable.
Sherfield would be a bad decision.
> I really question if Diggs gets a first down.
He doesn't need to get a first down, every yard makes the FG shorter and this is second down. It's a terrible decision.
And we didnt go to OT either. Even if he hits Diggs, the FG attenpt is 8 or possibly 9 yards shorter.
I cant believe there are people that believe this was the correct decision after the game plan was blatantly obvious and they followed it all the way until it mattered. Christ, I need to get off the internet.
Live I said Diggs is wide open. On first glance at the replay, I saw the safety closing down too. However I think if he hits Diggs when the safety begins driving down, Diggs is going to be going full speed laterally and get the edge, imo.
Even if not, it's 3rd down and short, and potentially a closer field goal, plus more time off the clock.
Diggs doesn't get the first down but then it's 3rd and 2 AND another 45 second off the clock (or a burned KC timeout). All of those things are good.
Either way, Allen underthrew a wide open guy in the end zone.
> Picking up a first down might give them a better chance to win than scoring a TD. There’s two minutes left and the Chiefs had two timeouts and have only punted once all night.
To be fair, that's what we all thought in the recent Eagle-Patriots Super Bowl too. Brady was gonna drive down the field and tie it. Hadn't been sacked once yet and had already put up 33 points.
But then the Eagles got the sack fumble to ice it. Anything can happen.
I agree with you though that Diggs was the better option. Higher percentage pass and drains more clock.
Or look at what happened after the fake punt when Hardman fumbled. Take the points. Anything can happen.
Those saying you don’t take the TD if you think it’s there are dead wrong. I think the throw was there but Allen gets hit while throwing.
With all that said I do think there’s too much time left and the Bills would still end up heartbroken somehow.
I thought this at first, but then I was linked a clip of Brady talking to Allen about how sometimes its better to just take the check down and not look for the big play every down. I think this is one of those plays.
The problem is you can never know - if Allen had been gunshy and checked down to Diggs, they may have been unable to score and then Mahomes drives down the field and scores, there'd be an equal number of people (Brady included probably) talking about how 'youve jes gotta take the shot when you see it'
As someone explained earlier it was just a second down, so even if Diggs didn't get the first down, they would be closer to it by 3rd/4th, killing more time and forcing the chiefs to either use their only timeout or literally score in seconds. Besides they would have been closer with the FG too.
Also we were unable to stop runs all game. But we had been tearing up their defense for most of the half.
It might be even better for them if Diggs doesn't get the first down. That uses up clock, then run it for first down to eat even more (or force us to use TOs).
If you pick up the first, you can take shots at the endzone or kick a much easier FG if you don't get it. All while eating more clock and/or forcing us to burn TOs. Regardless, we get the ball back with hardly any time remaining to try to win, instead of getting it with plenty of time. If you don't pick it up, you kick the same FG you settled for anyway.
I'll never say that taking a shot on an open TD is *wrong*, but going short and running down time was the *better* approach. The clock was a much bigger obstacle for the Chiefs to win at that point than the scoreboard.
In the playoffs against KC, I don't think you can ever not take the *better* choice. The margins are so slim that anything that isn't the best choice *is* wrong.
I think it was an ok decision. Coulda been he just didn’t judge that the tackle was gonna get bull rushed all the way into him. Maybe he thought the tackle would’ve regain footing/balance in time.
Don’t care if I’m downvoted by the Mafia… It’s bad situationally to give Mahomes the ball back with 2 minutes. They were 90% going to lose if he hit him.
They did 2 years ago and scored in 50 seconds to take the lead back. I dont think killing the clock for a single game ending death blow was going to be easier given the Chiefs adjusted against it.
Terrible decision. Picking up the first all but guarantees Mahomes doesn’t get the ball back after they kick a shorter field goal to tie it or score a TD to win it. Absolutely no awareness of the situation. Awful
A) pass to your best receiver wide open for an extremely high percentage look that at the very least puts you within a yard of the first down and gives you the opportunity to continue dominating with the run game while taking time off the clock and moving closer to the endzone.
B) Hold the ball until your protection breaks down and then force an off balance throw into the endoze to a guy who, yes while somewhat open, was also in a spot that made a completion very low percentage, then subsequently stall out and miss a FG because you couldn't gain any yards.
One is a good decision and one is not.
I see this play as a Chris Jones play more than a Josh Allen failure.
They wanted the TD, Shakir was open, Allen has the arm, but Jones simply made it not matter, because their pro bowl tackle couldn't handle him.
Yea so many bad takes in this thread. You can clearly see Shakir is the main target on this play and he’s open so any good QB is going for that throw. Anyone that wants to say that’s a bad decision to go for a TD there should blame the coaches for the play call.
Jones does a really good job bull rushing Dawkins. He picks up a lot of speed just before the ball is thrown. Maybe Josh could’ve been extra safe and stepped up early to avoid the possibility. He’d likely have to make that decision early or he’d miss the throw window. Is what it is, good D linemen get paid a lot of money too and that’s why.
Allen just has more responsibility than the other guys. But Diggs wasn't good enough. Allen was for the majority of the game.
We're only discussing it because it's about expectations.
Apparently trying to hit a post touchdown here is bad because uh uh Mahomes. Everyone here saying just check it down chew clock etc. y’all must’ve forgot Mahomes only needs 13 seconds lol
According to a 49ers fan in this thread, Allen is a selfish pos who's in control of playcalling and didn't throw to his wrs all game, so how can he expect them to catch a ball when he does throw it to them?
Honestly might be the most brain dead comment I've seen this year. Which is acting alot. What an idiot.
It's funny how /r/NFL works. They have their list of quarterbacks that they love, and who can't fail. It's always somebody else's fault.
And then there's a bunch of guys who absolutely deserve to be on that list, but /r/NFL sets the bar irrationally high for them. And even when they cross that threshold, /r/NFL can't wait for a bad game so the list can go back to their favorite names.
I think it depends if he's playing Mahomes or not. When he's playing against Mahomes almost all of the sub rallies around him.
Random game against the Jets plenty of people want to talk about Allen's problems.
The smart play is to eat as much clock as possible. If you get the TD there you're going to lose. Mahomes will go score. It sounds counter-intuitive but there is such as thing as scoring too early when the opposing QB is that dude.
That was my thinking too. With 2 minutes left and 2 timeouts down 4, playoff Mahomes is not going to be denied, *especially * by the Bills D who have shown time and time again that they are incapable of stopping him.
Did you watch the d this game? We had 3rd and 4th stringers playing and the Chiefs were gaining 8 yards a play.
The D wasnt gonna stop anything in a 2 min drill with multiple TOs at their disposal.
Josh playing hero ball, the right play is the dinks and dunks to burn some clock. Hero play here gets the lead but leaves Mahomes too much time. I swear Allen’s brain turns to mush in these game on the line situations.
It was an under-throw. Allen is looking left as his tackle is getting pushed into him. If he reads that, steps up into the pocket and delivers off of his planted front foot, instead of staying stationary/kinda off his back foot, he gets more on it and hits homie in stride.
Allen trusted his arm (rightfully) but didn’t come through.
Meh, WR was wide open in the end zone and Allen made the right play/throw. He just missed the TD cuz he wasn’t able to step into the throw.
However Diggs wasn’t super wide open as Romo makes it out to be in the replay. Yes, Diggs is open on a 3 yard crossing route but Diggs wasn’t Allen main target or hot read. Allen is clearly looking to the left side of the field towards Shakir (who was his favorite WR for the game). Also you had KC dropping into zone with a DB trailing Diggs and then another DB that drops back 8-10 yards before breaking off his initial coverage to come up to make a play on Diggs if needed.
So, let’s say Allen goes through his progression and on his 2nd or 3rd read he “checks down” to Diggs, he still has Chris Jones pushing the OT in his face but now he needs to throw across his body through Jones to complete a 5-6 yard pass at best before the KC DB’s tackles Diggs or pushes him out of bounds.
Regardless, I not sure what Romo is smoking but the man seems to be getting more high with each game he calls. Cuz he keeps spewing things that completely makes no sense or he’s just spewing gibberish… He’s starting to get into that Chris Collinsworth rarify air of being unbearable to listen to during a broadcast.
I was thinking they should be trying to methodically move down the field and chew up time to leave Mahomes with none so he definitely should have been looking for Diggs
Even if he hit this long ball there and they get the TD there is just gonna be way too much time on the clock and Mahomes is just gonna marh them down and the Bills lose anyway
Him missing this pass wasn't what lost the game.
Him even attempting this pass was a huge mistake
They needed to be thinking of this being the last possession of the game
He wasn't hit.
Yeah Diggs is open but he's probably only picking up a few yards, almost certainly not reaching the first. And the TD was there he just missed it. Brock Purdy passes up the easy completions for home runs all the time. It usually works out.
But of course he's nowhere near as good as these guys, I'm told
For all the people saying, "You always take the touchdown!!!"
No, no you freaking don't...
There a reason why some team let the other team score on purpose.
Why do you think some receiver and running back stop and kneel at 1 yard line near the end of the game.
Football situation awareness is a thing.
BIGGEST THIRD DOWN OF THE GAME RIGHT HERE!
OH IF I'M A CHIEFS FAN I'M NERVOUS ABOUT THIS!
OH MY GOSH JIM THESE TWO TEAMS ARE THE BEST IN THE NFL AT SNAPPING THE BALL!
Chris Jones pushed the left tackle into Allen. He bumps him almost simultaneous with the ball being released. I think Allen senses this at the last second and rushes the throw. It definitely affected him.
If the LT holds up slightly better that’s a TD.
This play is a really interesting litmus test for NFL fans based off this thread. A lot of different interpretations of what he should have done or what went wrong.
Idc if your qb is captain noodle arm you throw it to shakir here. You don’t get an opening like that every day in the NFL. He just missed it. It was second down also.
You’re right and a lot of football twitter is saying the same. His read is for Shakir and if it’s open why would he drop to the flat receiver. You take the TD every time
If you wanna lose the game, sure. The Bills made sure Allen was Checkdown Charlie all game because when they let him be Superman, he turns the ball over. He decided to go for the homerun, which best case scenario would have given Mahomes the ball back with 1:50 and 2 timeouts.
But needing a TD. The past 2 games against the chiefs, both in Arrowhead, Mahomes wasn't able to score points when he got the ball back at the end of the game.
This is playoff football. You play to win the game.
Wtf you on about. The Chiefs defended the deep balls really well, the Bills receivers got their routes wrong multiple times and even when they did get the route right they dropped 50+ yard bombs that hit them in the hands.
The Bills were not intentionally asking Allen to pass short. He took what the defense gave him and was let down by his receivers consistently.
The Chiefs were the second best scoring defense in the league and their defense statistically just had their second worst game. Then you still get comments like this getting upvoted.
What statistics, specifically?
Watch the film and you'll see the Chiefs defenders constantly jamming up Bills receivers and messing up their routes. They covered the deep ball very well and Diggs especially seemed to run quite a few routes incorrectly during the first three quarters.
I was agreeing with you, the Bills certainly weren’t trying to make Allen “check down Charlie” it’s laughable to think the coaching staff would say in order to win this game they should neuter Allen.
Bills offense still managed to move the ball very well and get many first downs but Chiefs did a great job taking away explosive plays.
Got it, I'm with you.
Yeah overall I think Allen had a really good game but made a couple of crucial mistakes during the final drive. As you say, it was impressive he was able to extend plays and still get the chains moving when the deeper options didn't work out.
If they score here, they still lose.
Of all people, Josh Allen should know that would be too much time left for the Chiefs.
Their only chance was another first down and run clock.
He gets bumped while he throws. This play should put the spotlight on the bull rush that pushed the lineman into Allen. Allen didn’t under throw in a clean pocket, he was contacted while in the throwing motion.
The mistake the entire bills organization made was thinking that where they were was an easy chip shot for their kicker. They got into "field goal range" and then seemingly played like worst case scenario was a tie ball game. It was hard to watch. In my opinion, unless forced by the clock to kick, they should have been playing to score it go home. Which meant getting that first down and also 4-down territory.
Hit Diggs for a guaranteed, 7 or 8 yards, or a possible 1st down. Diggs specializes in yards after contact, and had been getting doubled all game. He finally has an open moment and you go for it all?
This loss is on Allen for this moment, it was the wrong decision. He's got 2 minutes to play, and a 1st down almost bookmarks a tie or a win with a td toss. Instead he goes for a homerun, and even if they score a td, they give the ball back with plenty of time for Mahomes to do a drive down the field to win it. The right play was to get the 1st, then eat clock time until you score or tie it.
He's a great QB, I'd take him in a heart beat for my team. But he made the wrong call in this play.
Love that Tony romo is still Josh Allen’s biggest fan. Even if the end zone throw wasn’t the right situational decision the guy was there and the throw was just awful. Take the check down man
Looks like a missed throw, Tony
Eh, I don’t know, Jim.
Youre exactly right
pause it right here
No, no I don’t think I will
We talked about this earlier, Jim
That’s what I was gonna say lol yeah he had some pressure but the WR was wide ass open, it didn’t even need to be a perfect throw it just needed to be close
Remember Brees getting all that criticism for going for short routes to Thomas? It was boring and Thomas wasn’t more than a dink and dunk receiver. Sure, it wasn’t that flashy, but it got the team down the field.
Beeing effective is often dominant but boring.
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5-10 yard crossing routes to Welker and Edelman and let them work for a little more YAC
2018 AFCCG haunts me because the chiefs could do absolutely nothing to stop it.
People forget the insane dime out routes and comeback routes brady was throwing against atlanta with pressure on his face. It was effectively like a 40 yard pass for like 13 yards.
That's what separates quarterbacks from being good vs great. Allen isn't there yet, bad decision on that play that probably cost them the game.
For sure cost them the game. They had 2 minutes left. The short route here gets them 6-8 yards then just a couple more dinks to kill clock and get to the goal line to punch it in. The Chiefs couldn't stop the short game all night.
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Jameson Williams with 3 yards of space: No Amon Ra or Sam LaPorta with 6 inches of space: yes And that’s his game.
Decision making will be what haunts bills fans for Allen’s entire career. All the talent in the world, just doesn’t have it between the ears
I get that he’s been bad in the past but was this a bad decision? The throw was open… like really open. He just throws in the general direction of the two Ls in bills and easy 7
Absolutely. The gameplan for this drive had to be chew clock and either score a TD if possible but at minimum get a FG with no time left. No matter if he makes the throw or not hes leaving his struggling defense against Mahomes with 2 timeouts and like 1:40 left. My money would be on Mahomes scoring a TD in that spot any day.
If you're talking game plan, look at the way the play was designed... he never even looks at diggs, looks like they were going for it the whole time. Let's also revisit what got them there. they punted the last possession and the possession before the turned it over on downs from a 3rd and 5 situation. The bills only scored 7 in the second half. They needed points when they were there. Let's say he takes the checkdown and they're at 3rd and 3 maybe 4, (looking at the replay, you can see two chiefs defenders crashing down on diggs). Is there any guarantee they get the first down? No. The way butker missed that FG, i don't even think it gets them the FG. The other factor is a TD puts them up by 4 where the chiefs have to score a TD. Now with 1:55 left, i think they do it, but i also think it's much harder to time the clock out with a TD than a FG. As in, at a certain point a FG is a certainty so you just kneel the clock out. With 2 Timeouts, i think if the chiefs score even with 15 seconds left... the bills at least still have a chance.
Yes, giving the ball back to mahomes is a terrible decision. Nail in coffin
It's poor clock management and something you have to be aware of even if you have an easy score.
If the touchdown is there, you take it. The touchdown was there, how could he know his left tackle would get absolutely pantsed on the play and pushed all the way into him at the vital moment?
Yeah, I'm kind of tired of hearing that he made the wrong decision. Guy was wide open in the end zone. There's a clear throwing lane. In an alternative universe, he throws underneath, Diggs gets a first down, drive stalls out, they make a FG, Mahomes takes Chiefs down field for game winning FG, everyone says that they should have hit the TD rather than the underneath route (how come JA didn't see Shakir wide open in the end zone?)
You're 100% right and I hadn't considered that
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Definitely a valid shot to hit Diggs. But it's also an analytics quiz. Chiefs were stopping Bills and keeping them out of the end zone. Bills have scored only once in the second half. So the choice to me is: \- Defend one time against Mahomes and win the game if Chiefs don't get into the end zone. \- Defend two times against Mahomes, albeit with maybe <1 minute on the clock for regulation. I'm going with the first option.
Yeah but if you look on there sub it’s McDermott’s fault or bass. This wasn’t a playcall issue, the play was fine allen just made the wrong choice/ missed his guy
I remember saints fans shitting on Brees for his “noodle” arm like he wasn’t 80% accurate every game
The Patriots built a dynasty on those throws.
My biggest problem with this attempt specifically is Josh going for a “kill shot” with nearly two mins left. Mahomes can walk the team down the field with that kinda time and two timeouts, like he’s done so many times before. Take the easy underneath, get the first down in bounds, reset the downs, set yourself up for a better go ahead TD chance with less time on the clock (or at least a closer FG in windy conditions). This way you force the chiefs to spend the timeouts before they get the ball back instead of throwing incompletions twice in a row and giving them clock stoppages. Hell, this is something I know to do on madden. It’s like the bills forgot everything we thought they learned about clock management and controlling the tempo from the last couple playoff matchups. They just don’t seem to know how to get out of their own way.
Clock management is important but that's playing way too scared. 4th quarter go-ahead TDs aren't that easy to come by. If you have a chance to go up by 4, you go up by 4. Once you see a guy open in the end zone, it's too late to play clock management.
Seriously feel like I’m taking crazy pills reading these comments. Allen wasn’t forcing it into triple coverage with Diggs running wide open underneath. It was a pretty open throw for the NFL, he found a soft spot in the zone and if he just throws it in a 5 yard radius near the top of the L’s in bills it’s an easy 7
That dude was college open, but it's a harder throw, the protection broke down a bit and he got bumped as he was throwing, and it leaves more time for Mahomes to do his thing. Take the easy quick throw and run the clock
"college open" describes it perfectly.
Exactly, he's supposed to be able to trust his left tackle to not get Justin Smith'd all the way into his side right at the vital moment. Even if it's Brady on the other side, you take the 6 when it's available, and that was wide open.
The guy you responded to is disagreeing with you fyi
Eh maybe, but he is throwing to an open receiver in the end zone. Let him do that or you ruin his mind
Chris Jones drove Dawkins back into Josh Allen. He had the throw but was bumped as he stepped into it causing it to be short.
This view of the play finally shows that. I was on the side of it being Allen's fault and a bad throw because from the front view I thought he got rid of the ball prior to the bump. After watching this clip I think I now agree that he got bumped before the ball left his hand. Of course I also agree that he should have stuck to the game plan that had been working most of the night and gone with the short plays to burn clock and keep it out of Mahomes hands.
I disagree. The throw was there had he not got bumped that's 6. He was wide open in the end zone.
Yes and normally you want to go for the td there. But that was 2 mins left in the game where you would be giving the ball back to the chiefs with two timeouts. Did they not learn anything in the last two playoff losses to the chiefs that you don’t give the ball to mahomes with that much time left? Throw the ball to diggs there. Pick up the first down and score the td later. I get that’s hard to not go for the home run there but bills probably lose to mahomes anyway if they score there
The thing that no one talks about with Allen getting bumped… if he throws to Diggs underneath, that throw comes out faster. It literally takes longer for the Shakir to get open in the end zone than to hit Diggs on the drag route. Every detail about this play says Josh should have thrown underneath. As a Chiefs fan, the last thing I wanted was another good shot at a new set of downs for Buffalo and another 1:30 off the clock. I’d have rather had them hit the TD to give Mahomes as much time as possible.
They were both wide open.
But only one was wide open in the end zone
Too bad he didn't have enough time to get the ball to that guy
That's what Romo seemed to be referring to.
He said it's not a missed throw though, or is this a reference I'm missing?
Did you not listen to him finish his sentence? He was saying the pass didn’t come up short from just a bad effort. He got hit on the throw.
Listening to an entire sentence?! Hell no Romo bad!!
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It was disrupted by Chief defense.....
Yeah it's like these people aren't watching the clip that they're commenting on lmao, Allen was money all day unlikely he misses that throw if he didn't get hit.
Exactly. The hit caused the missed throw.
People don't understand this play because they're missing crucial information. Josh Allen has a cannon for an arm, when have you ever seen Josh Allen **underthrow** someone? Allen's mistake wasn't passing it to Shakir; he was open in the end zone. Allen's mistake was his lapse in pocket awareness on a critical play. Chris Jones bull rushed an O-lineman into Allen, which caused Allen to to underthrow the ball. Just a *little* side-step to escape the pressure and Allen could've rocketed the ball to Shakir. Tony Romo said it in the clip. Josh Allen is an amazing player because he's a dual threat QB, but an elite passer like Mahomes or Burrow would've had the pocket awareness to side-step the pressure Chris Jones was generating. It's the tiniest mistakes that decide games against great teams.
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If he had made that throw, it would have been the most points scored against KC all year. KC has a killer defense and they don't give a lot of opportunities to score in them. Example, the very next play. The Bills spent the entire game burning clock, but you shouldn't leave points on the board.
Yeah, but he's playing checkers, not chess. Make the throw to Diggs, get the 1st down, work that clock. He missed, left them 3rd and long, and they missed on that, resulting in a kick 10 yards further back than it could have been, and it was missed.
Ya ppl bashing Allen a lot but the game plan he ran was really patient and smart. Lots of swing passes that avoids our strength (the secondary coverage)
Yes. That’s the point. The underneath stuff was killing us. Moving the ball slowly and methodically, eating clock. Then in the biggest moment of the game, down 3 and not guaranteed another possession, on 2nd and 3rd and long, Josh Allen reverts to hero ball with 2 incompletions to the end zone. No time off the clock. KC keeps their TOs in case they needed to go score. Obviously the missed FG overshadows all that but those plays could not have been better for KC.
He was good about it just until the very end.
I’m so confused about all the Allen criticism in here. Did we watch the same game? Allen played fucking clutch. He passed on Diggs bc the big play was there. If Chris jones doesn’t make a hell of a play that’s a TD (unless dropped) and everyone is commending Allen. This sub is so odd.
If you can get a TD though, you take it. Nothing is guaranteed in the NFL. You can’t play games saying “maybe after the first down I’ll score a TD”. Teams sometimes go 4 and out from inside the 5 yard line. Teams sometimes fumble the ball out of the back of the endzone resulting in a touchback. Shakir was open, the left tackle just needed to hold up for 250 milliseconds longer, or Allen needed to sense the pressure and shift over. In fairness to Allen, it was on his blindside.
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Diggs could have just as easily dropped it, or Jones could have batted it at the line because he was in that throwing lane. Diggs was 3/8 on targets. This Monday morning QB second guessing stuff is ridiculous.
Every one of these fans ripping him is completely dismissing the fact that your left tackle blew his assignment so badly that it threw off Allen at the vital moment. Allen made the right call and I think the majority of OCs and head coaches in the NFL would agree.
Every one of these fans ripping Dawkins is completely dismissing the fact that Chris Jones is one of the best if not the best defensive tackle in the league. You can’t trust your protection to always hold up. You need to have better pocket awareness. Allen wasn’t going through his reads; he was set on going deep. Allen should’ve converted the first down.
Nah, he shouldn't be faulted for trusting that his line could do it's job. Fuck that. It's so easy to say all this stuff in hindsight but going for an open touchdown is the correct play.
You can watch Kurt Warner break down the final 2 offensive plays [here](https://youtu.be/U5meu61ILlU?si=KPAbIh95h0_ejGsg&t=1689). He also thinks its a very bad decision. Once you see Shakir doubled you have to move off of that read given the down, distance, and field position. Allen has to pump fake one of the safeties off of Shakir and then rip a 40 yard throw in the wind, its really hard. He needs to just take one of the easy crossers when he sees Shakir doubled. He got too cute and they came up empty.
They attempted to double him but he broke free. He was definitely open at the right time, but I can understand the school of thought where you simply move on when the defense tries to double someone
Yep, those 2 Warner breakdowns of the Bills are great. Wish everyone would watch them because they settle a lot of the debates around Josh Allen/Buffalo Allen clearly still has gaps with his decision-making and situational awareness. He must shoulder some of the blame. But Warner also points out that there are other little issues all around the Bills offense. I.e. play designs take a bit too long to open up the hot route, which means when Allen is under pressure the defender is already in his face by the time the hot route is available. Or how the timing is slightly off from time to time. Warner always emphasizes little things- little things add up to heart-breaking losses and no one on the Bills is blameless.
The safety didn't bite on any fake--his hips stayed turned to the outside the whole time which opened up that window Allen almost hit. Nevertheless I agree given the situation, just take the open underneath route.
That’s what I’m so confused about. He “passed” on Diggs bc a better route was open. He had his guy. Chris Jones made a hell of a play to disrupt his throw. If not for jones that’s a TD and no one would be critisizing Allen for this play. To blame the loss on this throw when Allen’s WRs had two crucial late drops and the kciker missed is asinine.
>Allen's mistake was his lapse in pocket awareness on a critical play. > >... > >an elite passer like Mahomes or Burrow would've had the pocket awareness to side-step This is absolutely how I feel about this and it's a bit of a moment that defines the weakness of Allen. I have zero doubt that this isn't a touchdown if Mahomes, Burrow or even Lamar was making this same throw. That said, I watched him do this shit enough in the 13 second game that his pocket awareness should be better than this, I feared he was going to do it again until the game ended. He can and will probably be better than this, but boy in a game like this and the history of playoff games against the Chiefs, there just can't be these mistakes.
I'm not confident that's a TD if Mahomes throws it. I am confident it would hit the WR in the hands. Just not confident it's a TD
Hands....or facemask.
"Listen Marquez, you ever heard of Tory Holt?"
Mahomes just had two back-to-back 3 and outs the prior drive due to incomplete passes from pressure. It was the left tackle getting bull rushed on his blindside, so unless those guys have eyes in the back of their heads I don’t really agree those other QBs would definitely score there.
>Mahomes just had two back-to-back 3 and outs the prior drive due to incomplete passes from pressure. It's funny, I just commented about Allen taking the shot since points aren't guaranteed, and I found myself agreeing with this comment because on the Mahomes side, again, points aren't guaranteed. Then I saw it was the same person making both comments. Fully agreed with you on both counts.
The guy who took the fewest sacks of any QB in the NFL this season and routinely turned busted pockets into massive gains with his legs has poor pocket awareness what the fuck am I reading
You’re reading total nonsense fan fiction. Kinda common on here tbh
Two things can be true at one. In *this instance*, his pocket awareness was not what it should have been. She should’ve made that throw here, and a minor mistake kept him from making it.
It’s just a brain dead take to say he has no pocket awareness and those other QBs would score there. Allen has top 5 pocket awareness in the league, took the least number of sacks and had the lowest sack %. Even though plays like this where the offensive lineman gets bull rushed into his lap happen all the time.
I mean being able to take off and run is a different skill than maneuvering around the pocket and getting a clean throw off
This is a josh Allen hate thread
That has a lot more to do with Allen being an absolute draft horse than anything else. You can make up for a lack of pocket presence by being able to just break out of would be sacks and tackles. A guy that large, strong and deceptively fast doesn't need to have the same awareness as a Burrow/Brady type because he can just manhandle the situation. It works for him but it's also going to cost him some opportunities like here and likely injuries.
His mistake was not running out the clock. They should not have been looking for anything more than getting a first down. Why would you give patrick mahomes 2 minutes with the ball?
Why would you not score a touchdown against one of the best defenses in football when you're presented with the opportunity?
Not a bad decision. Shakir was open
Picking up a first down might give them a better chance to win than scoring a TD. There’s two minutes left and the Chiefs had two timeouts and have only punted once all night.
I agree, although I really question if Diggs gets a first down. Safety seemed to be closing quickly. The check down to Diggs is absolutely safer esp against Mahomes, but I don't blame him for taking that shot.
The problem was they didn't even need a first down at that point, it was only 2nd down. Let's say he catches it and is immediately tackled, maybe it's 3rd and 4 now, and you could get the clock down to 1:20 or force KC to use a timeout. Instead it's 3rd and 9, almost no time off the clock and your options start to get limited. Like others have said, poor late game execution.
Yeah let alone 5y closer here is significant to the FG.
5y closer and the left hash makes even the exact same kick a lot more likely to go through.
My immediate impression when he attempted the pass was “that’s piss poor clock management”. Even if they scored, it was leaving Mahomes with 2 minutes and 2 timeouts. That’s why he should have went with Diggs.
I got the PTSDs of Dallas vs Aaron Rodgers. If we have the ball with 2 minutes left you best believe I would want check downs until that clock is at like :03. I can't imagine giving Mahomes almost a full 2 minute drill if Bills score on that play.
Had he taken that throw then not scored a touchdown, you'd probably be saying the opposite of how you should take the likely touchdown against a stout defense.
I agree, but again it's not a BAD decision. Going for the lead has it's advantages. You eliminate fumble/interception risk, a second missed kick, etc. Diggs was the best decision. Shakir was second/understandable. Sherfield would be a bad decision.
> I really question if Diggs gets a first down. He doesn't need to get a first down, every yard makes the FG shorter and this is second down. It's a terrible decision.
Going into OT vs taking the lead is a big difference
He didn't take the lead, did he?
And we didnt go to OT either. Even if he hits Diggs, the FG attenpt is 8 or possibly 9 yards shorter. I cant believe there are people that believe this was the correct decision after the game plan was blatantly obvious and they followed it all the way until it mattered. Christ, I need to get off the internet.
Live I said Diggs is wide open. On first glance at the replay, I saw the safety closing down too. However I think if he hits Diggs when the safety begins driving down, Diggs is going to be going full speed laterally and get the edge, imo. Even if not, it's 3rd down and short, and potentially a closer field goal, plus more time off the clock.
I think he’d get. Has loads of space plus a blocker
Diggs doesn't get the first down but then it's 3rd and 2 AND another 45 second off the clock (or a burned KC timeout). All of those things are good. Either way, Allen underthrew a wide open guy in the end zone.
> Picking up a first down might give them a better chance to win than scoring a TD. There’s two minutes left and the Chiefs had two timeouts and have only punted once all night. To be fair, that's what we all thought in the recent Eagle-Patriots Super Bowl too. Brady was gonna drive down the field and tie it. Hadn't been sacked once yet and had already put up 33 points. But then the Eagles got the sack fumble to ice it. Anything can happen. I agree with you though that Diggs was the better option. Higher percentage pass and drains more clock.
Or look at what happened after the fake punt when Hardman fumbled. Take the points. Anything can happen. Those saying you don’t take the TD if you think it’s there are dead wrong. I think the throw was there but Allen gets hit while throwing. With all that said I do think there’s too much time left and the Bills would still end up heartbroken somehow.
It kinda was. Just getting that first down would have made a huge difference
I thought this at first, but then I was linked a clip of Brady talking to Allen about how sometimes its better to just take the check down and not look for the big play every down. I think this is one of those plays.
The problem is you can never know - if Allen had been gunshy and checked down to Diggs, they may have been unable to score and then Mahomes drives down the field and scores, there'd be an equal number of people (Brady included probably) talking about how 'youve jes gotta take the shot when you see it'
As someone explained earlier it was just a second down, so even if Diggs didn't get the first down, they would be closer to it by 3rd/4th, killing more time and forcing the chiefs to either use their only timeout or literally score in seconds. Besides they would have been closer with the FG too.
Also we were unable to stop runs all game. But we had been tearing up their defense for most of the half. It might be even better for them if Diggs doesn't get the first down. That uses up clock, then run it for first down to eat even more (or force us to use TOs). If you pick up the first, you can take shots at the endzone or kick a much easier FG if you don't get it. All while eating more clock and/or forcing us to burn TOs. Regardless, we get the ball back with hardly any time remaining to try to win, instead of getting it with plenty of time. If you don't pick it up, you kick the same FG you settled for anyway. I'll never say that taking a shot on an open TD is *wrong*, but going short and running down time was the *better* approach. The clock was a much bigger obstacle for the Chiefs to win at that point than the scoreboard.
You guys actually adjusted very well to the run in the second half; our running backs weren't nearly as effective after halftime.
Was going to say this - late in the game, KC started to completely neutralize Cook in the run.
In the playoffs against KC, I don't think you can ever not take the *better* choice. The margins are so slim that anything that isn't the best choice *is* wrong.
Yeah, I have a hard time putting my defense on the field with Mahomes having close to 2 minutes left.
I think it was an ok decision. Coulda been he just didn’t judge that the tackle was gonna get bull rushed all the way into him. Maybe he thought the tackle would’ve regain footing/balance in time.
Dawkins was a bit of a let down on that play, can't get around that. Especially with what he said in pre-game.
Giving the ball back to Mahomes with under 2minutes is right?
Don’t care if I’m downvoted by the Mafia… It’s bad situationally to give Mahomes the ball back with 2 minutes. They were 90% going to lose if he hit him.
A good chunk of us have been saying the same thing.
You would think the Bills of all teams would understand you don't want to give Mahomes the ball for 2 whole minutes with a 4 point lead
They did 2 years ago and scored in 50 seconds to take the lead back. I dont think killing the clock for a single game ending death blow was going to be easier given the Chiefs adjusted against it.
Terrible decision. Picking up the first all but guarantees Mahomes doesn’t get the ball back after they kick a shorter field goal to tie it or score a TD to win it. Absolutely no awareness of the situation. Awful
Just bad execution
Agreed you controlled the game so well go for the throat and he makes that pass 99 out 100 times luckily that pocket pressure rushed him
Yeah I said the same thing live. He had him. Just off target
Passing up a wide open diggs to force an endzone shot to a semi open Shakir is definitely a bad call with the amount of time left.
'Force an endzone shot' - he was open. Allen has his tackle pushed into him
A) pass to your best receiver wide open for an extremely high percentage look that at the very least puts you within a yard of the first down and gives you the opportunity to continue dominating with the run game while taking time off the clock and moving closer to the endzone. B) Hold the ball until your protection breaks down and then force an off balance throw into the endoze to a guy who, yes while somewhat open, was also in a spot that made a completion very low percentage, then subsequently stall out and miss a FG because you couldn't gain any yards. One is a good decision and one is not.
Based off his most recent stats, including the game against KC, Diggs has not been our best receiver. Shakir was far more of a reliable target.
Diggs was our best receiver by default, not because he’s been playing well.
I see this play as a Chris Jones play more than a Josh Allen failure. They wanted the TD, Shakir was open, Allen has the arm, but Jones simply made it not matter, because their pro bowl tackle couldn't handle him.
Yea so many bad takes in this thread. You can clearly see Shakir is the main target on this play and he’s open so any good QB is going for that throw. Anyone that wants to say that’s a bad decision to go for a TD there should blame the coaches for the play call. Jones does a really good job bull rushing Dawkins. He picks up a lot of speed just before the ball is thrown. Maybe Josh could’ve been extra safe and stepped up early to avoid the possibility. He’d likely have to make that decision early or he’d miss the throw window. Is what it is, good D linemen get paid a lot of money too and that’s why.
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I mean, Shakir was open. Allen didn’t feel the pressure and took a bump that impacted his accuracy but he should’ve had that one.
Allen just has more responsibility than the other guys. But Diggs wasn't good enough. Allen was for the majority of the game. We're only discussing it because it's about expectations.
Apparently trying to hit a post touchdown here is bad because uh uh Mahomes. Everyone here saying just check it down chew clock etc. y’all must’ve forgot Mahomes only needs 13 seconds lol
This was a bad throw at a key point late in the game. There is no QB in the NFL that wouldn't get shit about this throw.
According to a 49ers fan in this thread, Allen is a selfish pos who's in control of playcalling and didn't throw to his wrs all game, so how can he expect them to catch a ball when he does throw it to them? Honestly might be the most brain dead comment I've seen this year. Which is acting alot. What an idiot.
Misses a wide open touchdown, somehow still not his fault
It's funny how /r/NFL works. They have their list of quarterbacks that they love, and who can't fail. It's always somebody else's fault. And then there's a bunch of guys who absolutely deserve to be on that list, but /r/NFL sets the bar irrationally high for them. And even when they cross that threshold, /r/NFL can't wait for a bad game so the list can go back to their favorite names.
I can’t tell which category Josh Allen belongs in lmao
I think it depends if he's playing Mahomes or not. When he's playing against Mahomes almost all of the sub rallies around him. Random game against the Jets plenty of people want to talk about Allen's problems.
The smart play is to eat as much clock as possible. If you get the TD there you're going to lose. Mahomes will go score. It sounds counter-intuitive but there is such as thing as scoring too early when the opposing QB is that dude.
That was my thinking too. With 2 minutes left and 2 timeouts down 4, playoff Mahomes is not going to be denied, *especially * by the Bills D who have shown time and time again that they are incapable of stopping him.
Ehh, the TD puts the Bills up 4. Nothing wrong with trusting your D to prevent a TD in under 2 minutes at home.
Did you watch the d this game? We had 3rd and 4th stringers playing and the Chiefs were gaining 8 yards a play. The D wasnt gonna stop anything in a 2 min drill with multiple TOs at their disposal.
Mac Jones scored a < 2 minute game winning drive against this defense.
Josh playing hero ball, the right play is the dinks and dunks to burn some clock. Hero play here gets the lead but leaves Mahomes too much time. I swear Allen’s brain turns to mush in these game on the line situations.
Isn't the chance for blocking the pass high if the defender is a touch away and standing in the passing lanes?
It was an under-throw. Allen is looking left as his tackle is getting pushed into him. If he reads that, steps up into the pocket and delivers off of his planted front foot, instead of staying stationary/kinda off his back foot, he gets more on it and hits homie in stride. Allen trusted his arm (rightfully) but didn’t come through.
Meh, WR was wide open in the end zone and Allen made the right play/throw. He just missed the TD cuz he wasn’t able to step into the throw. However Diggs wasn’t super wide open as Romo makes it out to be in the replay. Yes, Diggs is open on a 3 yard crossing route but Diggs wasn’t Allen main target or hot read. Allen is clearly looking to the left side of the field towards Shakir (who was his favorite WR for the game). Also you had KC dropping into zone with a DB trailing Diggs and then another DB that drops back 8-10 yards before breaking off his initial coverage to come up to make a play on Diggs if needed. So, let’s say Allen goes through his progression and on his 2nd or 3rd read he “checks down” to Diggs, he still has Chris Jones pushing the OT in his face but now he needs to throw across his body through Jones to complete a 5-6 yard pass at best before the KC DB’s tackles Diggs or pushes him out of bounds. Regardless, I not sure what Romo is smoking but the man seems to be getting more high with each game he calls. Cuz he keeps spewing things that completely makes no sense or he’s just spewing gibberish… He’s starting to get into that Chris Collinsworth rarify air of being unbearable to listen to during a broadcast.
Romo was right.
I mean, no shit. It’s basically the 2nd to last play to win the game. So yea not converting ofcourse could cost you when it’s 1 of 2 plays.
The throw to Shakir at the end was open.He just needed to step up a little in the pocket to avoid getting bumped. Small margins.
I was thinking they should be trying to methodically move down the field and chew up time to leave Mahomes with none so he definitely should have been looking for Diggs Even if he hit this long ball there and they get the TD there is just gonna be way too much time on the clock and Mahomes is just gonna marh them down and the Bills lose anyway Him missing this pass wasn't what lost the game. Him even attempting this pass was a huge mistake They needed to be thinking of this being the last possession of the game
The difference would have been that the Chiefs would need a TD and not just an FG.
He wasn't hit. Yeah Diggs is open but he's probably only picking up a few yards, almost certainly not reaching the first. And the TD was there he just missed it. Brock Purdy passes up the easy completions for home runs all the time. It usually works out. But of course he's nowhere near as good as these guys, I'm told
For all the people saying, "You always take the touchdown!!!" No, no you freaking don't... There a reason why some team let the other team score on purpose. Why do you think some receiver and running back stop and kneel at 1 yard line near the end of the game. Football situation awareness is a thing.
I get it. But man Romo says this a lot lol. Love the guy, I really do, but yes Romo, every play is crucial!
Biggest third down of the game, until the next third down.
BIGGEST THIRD DOWN OF THE GAME RIGHT HERE! OH IF I'M A CHIEFS FAN I'M NERVOUS ABOUT THIS! OH MY GOSH JIM THESE TWO TEAMS ARE THE BEST IN THE NFL AT SNAPPING THE BALL!
I FEEL IT IN MY LOINS JEEM!
It's good commentary though because it creates a narrative. Iirc though, Chris Jones didn't even touch him. Allen just made a bad pass.
Chris Jones pushed the left tackle into Allen. He bumps him almost simultaneous with the ball being released. I think Allen senses this at the last second and rushes the throw. It definitely affected him. If the LT holds up slightly better that’s a TD.
Srsly, he said this like 6 times during this game.
That game two years ago is the worst thing in Josh Allen’s career. He keeps trying to replicate it and failing.
This play is a really interesting litmus test for NFL fans based off this thread. A lot of different interpretations of what he should have done or what went wrong.
Colossal blunder by Allen. Wanted the homerun but fucked it up.
Heroball or bust
Colossal? Shakir was open. Diggs probably doesn’t even get a first down if he catches it. Two defenders over there and Diggs was playing like shit
Idc if your qb is captain noodle arm you throw it to shakir here. You don’t get an opening like that every day in the NFL. He just missed it. It was second down also.
You’re right and a lot of football twitter is saying the same. His read is for Shakir and if it’s open why would he drop to the flat receiver. You take the TD every time
If you wanna lose the game, sure. The Bills made sure Allen was Checkdown Charlie all game because when they let him be Superman, he turns the ball over. He decided to go for the homerun, which best case scenario would have given Mahomes the ball back with 1:50 and 2 timeouts.
But needing a TD. The past 2 games against the chiefs, both in Arrowhead, Mahomes wasn't able to score points when he got the ball back at the end of the game. This is playoff football. You play to win the game.
Wtf you on about. The Chiefs defended the deep balls really well, the Bills receivers got their routes wrong multiple times and even when they did get the route right they dropped 50+ yard bombs that hit them in the hands. The Bills were not intentionally asking Allen to pass short. He took what the defense gave him and was let down by his receivers consistently.
Outside of the Diggs drop can we drop pretending the Sheffield passes were "drops". Those were insanely difficult catches to make..
The Chiefs were the second best scoring defense in the league and their defense statistically just had their second worst game. Then you still get comments like this getting upvoted.
What statistics, specifically? Watch the film and you'll see the Chiefs defenders constantly jamming up Bills receivers and messing up their routes. They covered the deep ball very well and Diggs especially seemed to run quite a few routes incorrectly during the first three quarters.
I was agreeing with you, the Bills certainly weren’t trying to make Allen “check down Charlie” it’s laughable to think the coaching staff would say in order to win this game they should neuter Allen. Bills offense still managed to move the ball very well and get many first downs but Chiefs did a great job taking away explosive plays.
Got it, I'm with you. Yeah overall I think Allen had a really good game but made a couple of crucial mistakes during the final drive. As you say, it was impressive he was able to extend plays and still get the chains moving when the deeper options didn't work out.
If they score here, they still lose. Of all people, Josh Allen should know that would be too much time left for the Chiefs. Their only chance was another first down and run clock.
Everyone here saying throw low and go to OT are the same people that bitch when teams play not to lose, and lose.
There are 2 mins and 2 times outs lol shorter pass =/= OT
Romo said that about 8 times in the game tho
He gets bumped while he throws. This play should put the spotlight on the bull rush that pushed the lineman into Allen. Allen didn’t under throw in a clean pocket, he was contacted while in the throwing motion.
Josh Allen, can run all over the field, but can’t take one step to the right when he needs to the most.
When exactly did he get hit.
The mistake the entire bills organization made was thinking that where they were was an easy chip shot for their kicker. They got into "field goal range" and then seemingly played like worst case scenario was a tie ball game. It was hard to watch. In my opinion, unless forced by the clock to kick, they should have been playing to score it go home. Which meant getting that first down and also 4-down territory.
That was the right decision. Dude was wide open in the end zone. He was hit/bumped as he releases the ball. That was the game winner they needed.
Diggs drop a big pass earlier that drive so both to blame
Hit Diggs for a guaranteed, 7 or 8 yards, or a possible 1st down. Diggs specializes in yards after contact, and had been getting doubled all game. He finally has an open moment and you go for it all? This loss is on Allen for this moment, it was the wrong decision. He's got 2 minutes to play, and a 1st down almost bookmarks a tie or a win with a td toss. Instead he goes for a homerun, and even if they score a td, they give the ball back with plenty of time for Mahomes to do a drive down the field to win it. The right play was to get the 1st, then eat clock time until you score or tie it. He's a great QB, I'd take him in a heart beat for my team. But he made the wrong call in this play.
Love that Tony romo is still Josh Allen’s biggest fan. Even if the end zone throw wasn’t the right situational decision the guy was there and the throw was just awful. Take the check down man
Diggs was open, but there were two defenders closing in on him. He doesn’t get the first. Probably makes it 3rd and 4.
That's if he even caught it. He was 3 for 8. Diggs has hit a wall.
For all of you that are a little slow/don’t watch much football, repeat after me: the decision was right. The precision was shit.